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Is Fab Dead In The Water?

By *ink-182 OP Man over a year ago

Runcorn

It's safe to say we are living in a different time! this time last year everyone was happy to go on meets and all was good, one of the reasons why i'm posting this is because i want to hear back from my fellow fabbers and get your response on something i keep seeing a lot on profiles which is many people saying "No meets until it's safe too"

I'm pretty certain i and my ex both had it at Christmas, coz everyone i knew was ill at Chritmas and it was the only New year i toasted 12 bells with a Lemsip!

So i put to you this.... Who is gonna say it's safe? is Boris gonna go on telly and say it's safe to swing again?

I think not! but he will let children go to school and interact without masks! and we all know how snotty nose kids can be and how good they are at spreading germs!

So going back to my original query...

What are you waiting for that let's you know it's safe to meet again? Some guy on the telly saying it's safe...another guy saying there's a vaccine? a sign from God? let me know your thoughts guys, much appreciated to get your feedback guys... and as always stay safe... remember when we used to say that with regards to wearing a rubber lol now it's a mask, oh how they want you to change lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think at the end of the day things will go back to normal but I just think it's going to take a long time if people actually stuck to what the government are saying we should be ok it could take 6 months it could take a year it all depends

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

When we've reached zero Covid, when the death rate is a lot lower (yes it's low, no it's not low enough for me), when I'm vaccinated against it.

When the science supports it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

When someone I actually want to shag asks me.....

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By *rotic-TouchTV/TS over a year ago

doncaster

Lol loads of people on here are still meeting , I've been asked to meet every single day of the lockdown , for me it's not safe but loads are trying to get meets for sex

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

Some guy off the telly? Do you mean a highly qualified and experienced epidemiologist, immunologist, doctor etc? Or do you mean Tomasz Schaefeneker? You do realise that "some guy on the telly" will present the best scientific understanding of an emerging disease and offer the most appropriate and logical comments thereof.

Absolutely sick to the back teeth of anti scientific attitudes. If Herbert from down the Working Men's Club is such a pre-eminent scientific mind, why is he pissing his life away chatting shit in the pub? Why is he not in a lab somewhere, socking it to the so-called experts?? Jeez.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some guy off the telly? Do you mean a highly qualified and experienced epidemiologist, immunologist, doctor etc? Or do you mean Tomasz Schaefeneker? You do realise that "some guy on the telly" will present the best scientific understanding of an emerging disease and offer the most appropriate and logical comments thereof.

Innit

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's safe to say we are living in a different time! this time last year everyone was happy to go on meets and all was good, one of the reasons why i'm posting this is because i want to hear back from my fellow fabbers and get your response on something i keep seeing a lot on profiles which is many people saying "No meets until it's safe too"

I'm pretty certain i and my ex both had it at Christmas, coz everyone i knew was ill at Chritmas and it was the only New year i toasted 12 bells with a Lemsip!

So i put to you this.... Who is gonna say it's safe? is Boris gonna go on telly and say it's safe to swing again?

I think not! but he will let children go to school and interact without masks! and we all know how snotty nose kids can be and how good they are at spreading germs!

So going back to my original query...

It’s never going to be safe, it never was. We have to live, we have to do what we think is the best thing at the time, we won’t all agree, sadly we don’t have strong leadership which makes this all so much more risky, harder and longer. Somethings are more important than swinging, like children getting an education and taking care of the elderly and vulnerable.

But sex and intimacy will never be dead in the water. If you swing I won’t judge you. I may envy you but I won’t judge you for seeking connection and intimacy. I judge the government who fucked this whole thing up. They can’t lead us so we gotta live and do what we think is best. Love, take of yourself and others, and vote for something better than this.

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By *eneral HysteriaMan over a year ago

Newcastle

"...What are you waiting for..."

What are YOU waiting for?

Some people are meeting. Isn't there a queue forming in your inbox?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

Sorry General Hysteria, just giggling to myself at how appropriate your name is right now

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

*Standing ovation*

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

we're ready to meet from July but seems no one else is

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

*Standing ovation*"

*Bows and does silly rah-rah things with pom-poms*

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By *eneral HysteriaMan over a year ago

Newcastle

*Standing ovation*

*Bows and does silly rah-rah things with pom-poms*

Are you a cheerleader?

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By *r NeilMan over a year ago

Lancs Mancs

People are picky like the the summer cold virus lol

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

*Standing ovation*

*Bows and does silly rah-rah things with pom-poms*

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By *r NeilMan over a year ago

Lancs Mancs

Life will never be the same again fact!

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

*Standing ovation*

*Bows and does silly rah-rah things with pom-poms*

Are you a cheerleader?"

No, I just like wearing silly hats

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think he meant Boris specifically, you know that disgraced ex-journalist who lies all the damn time and will over rule whatever the scientists say to suit his own agenda. That guy off the telly.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

I expect things to progressively improve, although there will be issues along the way, such that meeting people will become much safer, in terms of a much reduced incidence of infection and thus a lower probability that any individual is infected. I'll determine what the rules are for me, guided by government and the evidence.

I'm not going to define when it will be, as I'm in no rush to do it. I've had a life with years of fb relationships, this doesn't have to be about having lots of partners. I'll find and make what works then.

This doesn't mean for me that fab is poor - far from it. It will depend on your objectives. It's unlikely that fab will be for everyone, all of the time. Use it when it suits you.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

I think he meant Boris specifically, you know that disgraced ex-journalist who lies all the damn time and will over rule whatever the scientists say to suit his own agenda. That guy off the telly."

He needs to be more specific then. There's a lot guys on the telly. And gals. And TVs etc. Anyway. Some of the guys on the telly know their scientific onions and should be listened to. Some know all about booting a ball around the park. And some are blonde haired buffoons who like to take holidays.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

It's quite fortunate that we don't have to trust that guy off the telly or the bloke down the pub or even users on swinging forums.

We have scientists...

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"It's quite fortunate that we don't have to trust that guy off the telly or the bloke down the pub or even users on swinging forums.

We have scientists..."

*Whispers* Some of us are both

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

And we have some scientists on swinging forums too

(Not me dear god not me

)

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It's quite fortunate that we don't have to trust that guy off the telly or the bloke down the pub or even users on swinging forums.

We have scientists...

*Whispers* Some of us are both

I got there

But you'd probably agree that finding an official source is a good idea

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think he meant Boris specifically, you know that disgraced ex-journalist who lies all the damn time and will over rule whatever the scientists say to suit his own agenda. That guy off the telly.

“So i put to you this.... Who is gonna say it's safe? is Boris gonna go on telly and say it's safe to swing again?“

He was pretty specific in referring to the blonde haired baboon by name.

Autocorrect changed buffoon to baboon. Still kinda works.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"It's quite fortunate that we don't have to trust that guy off the telly or the bloke down the pub or even users on swinging forums.

We have scientists...

*Whispers* Some of us are both

I got there

But you'd probably agree that finding an official source is a good idea"

Definitely. Peer reviewed sources that can be validated, written by qualified people. Not random website dot com

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By *r NeilMan over a year ago

Lancs Mancs

A Genocide happening right now wake up ..

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"A Genocide happening right now wake up .. "

Got any... evidence?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"A Genocide happening right now wake up .. "

Yes, there are a number of conflict zones around the world where the term genocide would be appropriate, for example, the Rohingya in Myanmar/Bangladesh. Well spotted.

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By *r NeilMan over a year ago

Lancs Mancs

Evidence is all around.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Evidence is all around."

Sounds like a Bryan Adams song.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Evidence is all around."

You made the claim so the onus is on you to back it up with credible evidence.

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By *ikemilfloverMan over a year ago

Birmingham

The honest answer is no-one knows !

They talk about a ‘second wave’ yet they don’t know when we really havd the first wave in this country, we could be on our third wave by now !

They talked about us being week behind villages in Italy, why ? - more foreign businesspeople and international students come back and forth from China into the UK than they do going to a ski resort in Italy !

We’ve seen pictures of packed beaches in Bournemouth, packed parks in London, protests all over the UK and yet even though we have a higher infection rate now, the death rate is in low double figures or even single figures most days.

There is a lot that doesn’t seem to stack up about the virus, even the fact that half the deaths have been in ‘incubation’ care homes and others seem to be reported as a Covid19 death if you had it and died within a month from say being hit by a truck !

All this virus has shown is we have the 5 largest employer in the world in the NHS but a lot of those people are not on the ground doctors, nurses and support staff, they are admin people pushing bits of paper around hospitals. We contribute the most taxes ever into the NHS now, but we had to buy ventilators like kids buying sweets in a sweet shop when this pandemic began.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Evidence is all around."

So show some.

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By *r NeilMan over a year ago

Lancs Mancs

"Evidence is all around.

You made the claim so the onus is on you to back it up with credible evidence."

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By *r NeilMan over a year ago

Lancs Mancs

Educate your self

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Educate your self

Humour us, forgive our ignorance, but we're here to learn from you, as you clearly know something we don't. Pray, share it with the great unwashed?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Educate your self

I got bits of paper that say I’m very well educated enough. I wish to bow to your superior knowledge.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

To be honest and from what I have seen. Some people will be overly cautious and not love on until it’s all over, some people are cautious and I have seen a few verifications popping up on masked meets or oral/fucking from behind meets, and some people never stopped meeting.

I think a lot depends on how seriously you take the pandemic.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A Genocide happening right now wake up .. "

Do you even know what genocide means? If yes, please state it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm pretty certain i and my ex both had it at Christmas, coz everyone i knew was ill at Chritmas and it was the only New year i toasted 12 bells with a Lemsip!

So i put to you this.... Who is gonna say it's safe? is Boris gonna go on telly and say it's safe to swing again?

I think not! but he will let children go to school and interact without masks! and we all know how snotty nose kids can be and how good they are at spreading germs!

So going back to my original query...

How who want us to change?

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Educate your self

I did

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By *eep.Man over a year ago

Just a background character

Fab will never die. For starters, where else would the greatest minds in epidemiology congregate?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There will never be a vaccination that 'cures' Covid. This is something we're going to have to live with I'm afraid. We have to get back to living /working before our Country goes bankrupt. Very soon we'll have no hospitality industry, no theatre industry and no high Street shopping.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's quite fortunate that we don't have to trust that guy off the telly or the bloke down the pub or even users on swinging forums.

We have scientists...

*Whispers* Some of us are both

I got there

But you'd probably agree that finding an official source is a good idea

Definitely. Peer reviewed sources that can be validated, written by qualified people. Not random website dot com

Karen off of Facebook said it so it's true.

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

"Educate your self

Is this the bit where you tell us to open our eyes, or are you going to tell us we're just sheepies wearing muzzles first?

For such a 'free thinking' and 'insightful' bunch, conspiracy nutters are boringly predictable...

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

"Fab will never die. For starters, where else would the greatest minds in epidemiology congregate?

broadmoor.com ?

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

I somehow don't expect to see a bulletin announcing that swingers are safe to bonk themselves senseless.

We are a very tiny subset of a very large problem.

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

Never trust the opinion of anyone ..

Well except Sandra on Facebook obviously.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"When we've reached zero Covid, when the death rate is a lot lower (yes it's low, no it's not low enough for me), when I'm vaccinated against it.

When the science supports it."

Yes

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By *riar BelisseWoman over a year ago

Delightful Bliss

Many of us are happy to wait till after this flu season is over tbf

Once we have more understanding that we can cope, medicines are competent in turning covid into a mild to medium illness so people are not being hospitalised in droves, things will change again.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Truth is very few people on here are ever actually looking to meet. The keyboard wankers now have the perfect reason for eventually declaring why they can’t possibly meet; whilst also claiming the moral high ground as they do so. My best guess is that one hour spend up close and personal with one person is probably far less risky than an hour in a busy pub.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman over a year ago

all loved up

"Life will never be the same again fact!"
it will be ..when the common cold was first around it killed people. It slowly adapted itself to be non lethal.... this will be the same ...

I'd meet today if it was not illegal and the clubs were open. To be fair If I did private meets I probably would already be meeting select people.. but I dont do 121 as a rule.

I'm turning down group play invites weekly...

I dont think fab is dead in the water as swinging isnt just about sex and this time next year things will be about back to normal I believe

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Fab will never die. For starters, where else would the greatest minds in epidemiology congregate?

I see you've never had the joy of being on an academic listserv and seeing *shit go down*

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"Life will never be the same again fact! it will be ..when the common cold was first around it killed people. It slowly adapted itself to be non lethal.... this will be the same ...

I'd meet today if it was not illegal and the clubs were open. To be fair If I did private meets I probably would already be meeting select people.. but I dont do 121 as a rule.

I'm turning down group play invites weekly...

I dont think fab is dead in the water as swinging isnt just about sex and this time next year things will be about back to normal I believe "

I make you about right... Though who knows if it will be one or two years... We (a general "we") aren't great at being told we can't do things, we have become incredibly entitled, used to getting our own way when and how we want it and fuck the consequences. Being told or asked to do things slightly differently or in some cases not at all for a while seems to be a challenge too far for some folks. But we will adapt and have our horny times again.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"Life will never be the same again fact!"

We may need to adapt and change and develop.... Is that a bad thing?

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"A Genocide happening right now wake up .. "

Yaayyy "wake up sheeple"

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"A Genocide happening right now wake up ..

Yaayyy "wake up sheeple" "

Coffee?

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"Never trust the opinion of anyone ..

Well except Sandra on Facebook obviously."

Is that Sandra who knows someone whose sister knows someone's uncle who was killed by a falling star but his death certificate showed covid?

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"A Genocide happening right now wake up ..

Yaayyy "wake up sheeple"

Coffee?"

Strong white no sugar please.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"A Genocide happening right now wake up ..

Yaayyy "wake up sheeple"

Coffee?

Strong white no sugar please."

That'll wake you up

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"A Genocide happening right now wake up ..

Yaayyy "wake up sheeple"

Coffee?

Strong white no sugar please.

That'll wake you up

Just in time for my muzzle. BTW can I catch bill Gates from using ms windows without anti virus software?

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"The honest answer is no-one knows !

They talk about a ‘second wave’ yet they don’t know when we really havd the first wave in this country, we could be on our third wave by now !

That's a lot of points there. We've had a lot of BS conspiracy theory and unsubstantiated BS in the forum on the virus. Think about how the country has been managing things for a decade -

The NHS has had funding cuts, much of it outsourced, as has happened in the pandemic.

The test run of epidemic readiness a couple of years ago found we were not prepared for an easier epidemic than this 1. We didn't change the problems that were highlighted, including the lack of PPE.

Johnson said a few weeks ago that he'd still not read the report from it! In a nutshell, we weren't ready to deal with this, including underfunding the NHS and the management of responding appropriately hasn't happened. Car crash leadership. There is no point in looking for any spurious silliness, when the leadership is so poor and they chose to ignore the problems they have caused, by underfunding the service that trial runs showed weren't fit for purpose. Knowing that what you were doing would cause high levels of deaths would in most instances see you put into jail or a highly secure mental health facility .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Never trust the opinion of anyone ..

Well except Sandra on Facebook obviously.

Is that Sandra who knows someone whose sister knows someone's uncle who was killed by a falling star but his death certificate showed covid? "

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"A Genocide happening right now wake up ..

Yaayyy "wake up sheeple"

Coffee?

Strong white no sugar please.

That'll wake you up

Just in time for my muzzle. BTW can I catch bill Gates from using ms windows without anti virus software? "

Shit. Did you cover the 6 key with tin foil?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"The honest answer is no-one knows !

They talk about a ‘second wave’ yet they don’t know when we really havd the first wave in this country, we could be on our third wave by now !

That's a lot of points there. We've had a lot of BS conspiracy theory and unsubstantiated BS in the forum on the virus. Think about how the country has been managing things for a decade -

The NHS has had funding cuts, much of it outsourced, as has happened in the pandemic.

The test run of epidemic readiness a couple of years ago found we were not prepared for an easier epidemic than this 1. We didn't change the problems that were highlighted, including the lack of PPE.

This report needs to be fully independent when it's done.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Theres no vaccination against aids but yet people still swing and have unsafe sex knowing the risks, so i suppose its all down to when you and your partner/s feel ready and comftable to x

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Theres no vaccination against aids but yet people still swing and have unsafe sex knowing the risks, so i suppose its all down to when you and your partner/s feel ready and comftable to x"

Comparison with HIV is not helpful.

1) There is a fairly effective way to prevent getting HIV, namely to use condoms.

2) You can't catch HIV sitting at a social in a café, but could easily catch Covid.

Lets not compare apples and oranges.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Theres no vaccination against aids but yet people still swing and have unsafe sex knowing the risks, so i suppose its all down to when you and your partner/s feel ready and comftable to x

Comparison with HIV is not helpful.

1) There is a fairly effective way to prevent getting HIV, namely to use condoms.

2) You can't catch HIV sitting at a social in a café, but could easily catch Covid.

Lets not compare apples and oranges. "

If I take sexual risks I risk myself and my partners. Who consent to the risk.

If I take risks during *this* pandemic I risk everyone around me. Who do not consent.

We also know much more about HIV and have a lot of treatment. Plus preventative measures.

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By *atielpoolTV/TS over a year ago

liverpool

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By *atielpoolTV/TS over a year ago

liverpool

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Theres no vaccination against aids but yet people still swing and have unsafe sex knowing the risks, so i suppose its all down to when you and your partner/s feel ready and comftable to x

Comparison with HIV is not helpful.

1) There is a fairly effective way to prevent getting HIV, namely to use condoms.

2) You can't catch HIV sitting at a social in a café, but could easily catch Covid.

Lets not compare apples and oranges.

If I take sexual risks I risk myself and my partners. Who consent to the risk.

If I take risks during *this* pandemic I risk everyone around me. Who do not consent.

We also know much more about HIV and have a lot of treatment. Plus preventative measures."

This/these

You may well play risky and put the next person you play with at risk.

That's incomparable to leaving a cloud of coughed vapor in the street, or sweaty handprint on a jar of pickles in your granddad's cupboard.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Although... Let's do the HIV comparison.

Hypothetically.

A brand new disease has been discovered in the past twelve months. It might kill you. Or you might be fine. We don't know. Those who survive sometimes have long term illness/disability.

It appears to be spread during sex, before anyone knows they're sick. We have a couple of treatments but they're very new. The science is in its infancy.

Do you keep going out shagging, or do you suck it up because you might put yourself and others at risk?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We may never reach zero covid. It's so wide spread worldwide there will always be a risk of contracting.

I think it'll be as common as the flu and colds but less severe unless there are underlying health concerns which can be a problem for any illness.

The best we can hope for is a vaccination whether that would be a one off or regular like the flu jab.

Already we are more safe than we were a few months back so it's a case of people using their own judgement when planning meets.

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"We may never reach zero covid. It's so wide spread worldwide there will always be a risk of contracting.

I think it'll be as common as the flu and colds but less severe unless there are underlying health concerns which can be a problem for any illness.

The best we can hope for is a vaccination whether that would be a one off or regular like the flu jab.

Already we are more safe than we were a few months back so it's a case of people using their own judgement when planning meets. "

The experts are saying that below a certain level of prevalence, we can treat this as a background threat.

I think "using your own judgement" is a useless proposition when it comes to a pandemic. People say things like "people I trust", or "I have needs" - virus don't care and will still infect you and kill people if given a chance.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"We may never reach zero covid. It's so wide spread worldwide there will always be a risk of contracting.

I think it'll be as common as the flu and colds but less severe unless there are underlying health concerns which can be a problem for any illness.

The best we can hope for is a vaccination whether that would be a one off or regular like the flu jab.

Already we are more safe than we were a few months back so it's a case of people using their own judgement when planning meets.

The experts are saying that below a certain level of prevalence, we can treat this as a background threat.

It comes down to good old fashioned common sense and I trust my own judgement than these so called experts.

This virus could kill us as could aids and cancer aswell as a whole host of other diseases need I say more !

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By *naswingdressWoman over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"We may never reach zero covid. It's so wide spread worldwide there will always be a risk of contracting.

I think it'll be as common as the flu and colds but less severe unless there are underlying health concerns which can be a problem for any illness.

The best we can hope for is a vaccination whether that would be a one off or regular like the flu jab.

Already we are more safe than we were a few months back so it's a case of people using their own judgement when planning meets.

The experts are saying that below a certain level of prevalence, we can treat this as a background threat.

It comes down to good old fashioned common sense and I trust my own judgement than these so called experts.

This virus could kill us as could aids and cancer aswell as a whole host of other diseases need I say more !

Common sense like pubs, packed beaches, people who don't wear masks properly, etc?

Nonsense.