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"Working from home if you can is fine if you have the room. Working from home when you live alone in a one bedroom flat, maybe not so great." A lot of people can't comprehend this  | |||
"The CBI is warning that city centres will become like ghost towns. I know it's sad but this was needed when you really really think about it. It must be so much better for the environment for us not to be doing the daily commute every day. In time the life may grow back into small suburb towns like where I live with small shops opening nearer to where people actually live that provide goods and services for the former office workers. This could be the silver lining that Greta Thunberg and all the other tree huggers wanted. " The Black Death is thought to have been the root of the industrial revolution. Perhaps some Tefal headed tree hugger in a lab in Wuhan saw all the videos of Greenlands icebergs crashing into the sea and wondered if they could come up with a way to stop the madness that was going on in the world and create the ingredients for a second industrial revolution. Sorry I am going off on one LOL. Nearly the weekend and I am doing too much philosophical for my own good. | |||
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"The CBI is warning that city centres will become like ghost towns. I know it's sad but this was needed when you really really think about it. It must be so much better for the environment for us not to be doing the daily commute every day. In time the life may grow back into small suburb towns like where I live with small shops opening nearer to where people actually live that provide goods and services for the former office workers. This could be the silver lining that Greta Thunberg and all the other tree huggers wanted. " There are hundreds of thousands of people that have come to rely on office working. Think coffee shops, sandwich shops, office cleaners, office suppliers, taxis etc... the list is endless. Without a thriving office culture, many small businesses are going to go to the wall. Less workers equals less tax take. Thats why the Goverment is keen to get many more people to return. | |||
"The CBI is warning that city centres will become like ghost towns. I know it's sad but this was needed when you really really think about it. It must be so much better for the environment for us not to be doing the daily commute every day. In time the life may grow back into small suburb towns like where I live with small shops opening nearer to where people actually live that provide goods and services for the former office workers. This could be the silver lining that Greta Thunberg and all the other tree huggers wanted. There are hundreds of thousands of people that have come to rely on office working. Think coffee shops, sandwich shops, office cleaners, office suppliers, taxis etc... the list is endless. Without a thriving office culture, many small businesses are going to go to the wall. Less workers equals less tax take. Thats why the Goverment is keen to get many more people to return. " Good point  | |||
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"We've been back open for a while, and are encouraging everyone to do at least one day a week in the office. Everyone who's been in has admitted it's great for their mental well being. Discretion is still offered for those with childcare concerns, medical conditions or those who use public transport for their commute. Other than that, pressure is definitely being applied to get people back in. Long term it will definitely be a blended balance of home Vs office, but the company has stated it will never fully be home working. The roads are definitely busier each day, as are the queues in the local Sandwich shopswtc at lunchtimes. Would hate to see some of our local businesses forced to close because not enough people are able to support them." I use public transport for the office And we have hot desks so doubt we will be going anytime soon | |||
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"The CBI is warning that city centres will become like ghost towns. I know it's sad but this was needed when you really really think about it. It must be so much better for the environment for us not to be doing the daily commute every day. In time the life may grow back into small suburb towns like where I live with small shops opening nearer to where people actually live that provide goods and services for the former office workers. This could be the silver lining that Greta Thunberg and all the other tree huggers wanted. " Is Greta going to help the countless Buisness that count on office workers going under. | |||
"The CBI is warning that city centres will become like ghost towns. I know it's sad but this was needed when you really really think about it. It must be so much better for the environment for us not to be doing the daily commute every day. In time the life may grow back into small suburb towns like where I live with small shops opening nearer to where people actually live that provide goods and services for the former office workers. This could be the silver lining that Greta Thunberg and all the other tree huggers wanted. The Black Death is thought to have been the root of the industrial revolution. Perhaps some Tefal headed tree hugger in a lab in Wuhan saw all the videos of Greenlands icebergs crashing into the sea and wondered if they could come up with a way to stop the madness that was going on in the world and create the ingredients for a second industrial revolution. Sorry I am going off on one LOL. Nearly the weekend and I am doing too much philosophical for my own good." Your sentiment and China theory sounds great (if a little dubious) Your history is a bit out tho....industrial revolution 18th-19th century driven mostly by coal and cas iron. Black death/plague 100s of years prior to that. | |||
"The CBI is warning that city centres will become like ghost towns. I know it's sad but this was needed when you really really think about it. It must be so much better for the environment for us not to be doing the daily commute every day. In time the life may grow back into small suburb towns like where I live with small shops opening nearer to where people actually live that provide goods and services for the former office workers. This could be the silver lining that Greta Thunberg and all the other tree huggers wanted. Is Greta going to help the countless Buisness that count on office workers going under." Us Engineers have a saying.... You don't solve one problem by creating another problem! If the way of working in the future is going to be different, then it needs a lot of informed debate on the possible ways forward. | |||
"I am thinking after coming back from my holidays in 2 weeks I might pop in to the office for a couple of days. Why I need social interaction with real people. Being at home for 6 months sounds great. It really isn’t lol. I miss the office banter, I miss the ability to rant, I miss the ability to interact with others. I am wondering how I will use my commute as I have been using the 1st hour to catch up on things So it’s a conversation I may have to have to work out how my return to office is going to work What’s other peoples thoughts " I am amazed that so many are reluctant to go back to the office to be honest | |||
"I am thinking after coming back from my holidays in 2 weeks I might pop in to the office for a couple of days. Why I need social interaction with real people. Being at home for 6 months sounds great. It really isn’t lol. I miss the office banter, I miss the ability to rant, I miss the ability to interact with others. I am wondering how I will use my commute as I have been using the 1st hour to catch up on things So it’s a conversation I may have to have to work out how my return to office is going to work What’s other peoples thoughts I am amazed that so many are reluctant to go back to the office to be honest" I am more productive at home. Less distractions, longer sleep, more time with family. All work is complete. I have no major benefit of going to an office sitting on a late train both ways. Saving 2 or so hours of my day in total. | |||
"The CBI is warning that city centres will become like ghost towns. I know it's sad but this was needed when you really really think about it. It must be so much better for the environment for us not to be doing the daily commute every day. In time the life may grow back into small suburb towns like where I live with small shops opening nearer to where people actually live that provide goods and services for the former office workers. This could be the silver lining that Greta Thunberg and all the other tree huggers wanted. There are hundreds of thousands of people that have come to rely on office working. Think coffee shops, sandwich shops, office cleaners, office suppliers, taxis etc... the list is endless. Without a thriving office culture, many small businesses are going to go to the wall. Less workers equals less tax take. Thats why the Goverment is keen to get many more people to return. " So you're arguing that we should all work less effectively, and commute for much longer, so taxi drivers and sandwich shop owners can make a living? I need a better argument than that. Want to sell me a sandwich? Bring it to where I am. Arguing that I should do a long, miserable commute on the worst roads in England, or on inconvnenient, packed, badly managed and expensive trains, so you can occasionally sell me a sandwich is the worst argument in the world. Remind me what sandwich sellers have ever done when I've needed a pay rise or a hand up. | |||
"The CBI is warning that city centres will become like ghost towns. I know it's sad but this was needed when you really really think about it. It must be so much better for the environment for us not to be doing the daily commute every day. In time the life may grow back into small suburb towns like where I live with small shops opening nearer to where people actually live that provide goods and services for the former office workers. This could be the silver lining that Greta Thunberg and all the other tree huggers wanted. There are hundreds of thousands of people that have come to rely on office working. Think coffee shops, sandwich shops, office cleaners, office suppliers, taxis etc... the list is endless. Without a thriving office culture, many small businesses are going to go to the wall. Less workers equals less tax take. Thats why the Goverment is keen to get many more people to return. So you're arguing that we should all work less effectively, and commute for much longer, so taxi drivers and sandwich shop owners can make a living? I need a better argument than that. Want to sell me a sandwich? Bring it to where I am. Arguing that I should do a long, miserable commute on the worst roads in England, or on inconvnenient, packed, badly managed and expensive trains, so you can occasionally sell me a sandwich is the worst argument in the world. Remind me what sandwich sellers have ever done when I've needed a pay rise or a hand up." Spot on | |||
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"Wait until the weather turns the need to heat the home from 9 until 5 and the additional cost of doing so may see a desire to get back to the office!!." Nah, just woolly jumpers will become formal wear and Granny style knee blankets the norm. I've WFH 1 or 2 days a week for about 3 years before the lockdown and I do not put extra heating on in the day. Oh, and thick socks  | |||
"Wait until the weather turns the need to heat the home from 9 until 5 and the additional cost of doing so may see a desire to get back to the office!!." Nah. Running the heating is still far cheaper than running a car for my 75 mile round trip commute. | |||
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"The CBI is warning that city centres will become like ghost towns. I know it's sad but this was needed when you really really think about it. It must be so much better for the environment for us not to be doing the daily commute every day. In time the life may grow back into small suburb towns like where I live with small shops opening nearer to where people actually live that provide goods and services for the former office workers. This could be the silver lining that Greta Thunberg and all the other tree huggers wanted. There are hundreds of thousands of people that have come to rely on office working. Think coffee shops, sandwich shops, office cleaners, office suppliers, taxis etc... the list is endless. Without a thriving office culture, many small businesses are going to go to the wall. Less workers equals less tax take. Thats why the Goverment is keen to get many more people to return. So you're arguing that we should all work less effectively, and commute for much longer, so taxi drivers and sandwich shop owners can make a living? I need a better argument than that. Want to sell me a sandwich? Bring it to where I am. Arguing that I should do a long, miserable commute on the worst roads in England, or on inconvnenient, packed, badly managed and expensive trains, so you can occasionally sell me a sandwich is the worst argument in the world. Remind me what sandwich sellers have ever done when I've needed a pay rise or a hand up." The perfect example of why socialism can never work. I'm ok fuck everyone else. | |||
"The CBI is warning that city centres will become like ghost towns. I know it's sad but this was needed when you really really think about it. It must be so much better for the environment for us not to be doing the daily commute every day. In time the life may grow back into small suburb towns like where I live with small shops opening nearer to where people actually live that provide goods and services for the former office workers. This could be the silver lining that Greta Thunberg and all the other tree huggers wanted. There are hundreds of thousands of people that have come to rely on office working. Think coffee shops, sandwich shops, office cleaners, office suppliers, taxis etc... the list is endless. Without a thriving office culture, many small businesses are going to go to the wall. Less workers equals less tax take. Thats why the Goverment is keen to get many more people to return. So you're arguing that we should all work less effectively, and commute for much longer, so taxi drivers and sandwich shop owners can make a living? I need a better argument than that. Want to sell me a sandwich? Bring it to where I am. Arguing that I should do a long, miserable commute on the worst roads in England, or on inconvnenient, packed, badly managed and expensive trains, so you can occasionally sell me a sandwich is the worst argument in the world. Remind me what sandwich sellers have ever done when I've needed a pay rise or a hand up. The perfect example of why socialism can never work. I'm ok fuck everyone else." Well you do have to look after no1. Reality is working from home is the future for many office jobs. Even when people go back to the office they now realise how much they can save not eating or having coffee at coffee shop. | |||
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"The CBI is warning that city centres will become like ghost towns. I know it's sad but this was needed when you really really think about it. It must be so much better for the environment for us not to be doing the daily commute every day. In time the life may grow back into small suburb towns like where I live with small shops opening nearer to where people actually live that provide goods and services for the former office workers. This could be the silver lining that Greta Thunberg and all the other tree huggers wanted. There are hundreds of thousands of people that have come to rely on office working. Think coffee shops, sandwich shops, office cleaners, office suppliers, taxis etc... the list is endless. Without a thriving office culture, many small businesses are going to go to the wall. Less workers equals less tax take. Thats why the Goverment is keen to get many more people to return. So you're arguing that we should all work less effectively, and commute for much longer, so taxi drivers and sandwich shop owners can make a living? I need a better argument than that. Want to sell me a sandwich? Bring it to where I am. Arguing that I should do a long, miserable commute on the worst roads in England, or on inconvnenient, packed, badly managed and expensive trains, so you can occasionally sell me a sandwich is the worst argument in the world. Remind me what sandwich sellers have ever done when I've needed a pay rise or a hand up. The perfect example of why socialism can never work. I'm ok fuck everyone else. Well you do have to look after no1. Reality is working from home is the future for many office jobs. Even when people go back to the office they now realise how much they can save not eating or having coffee at coffee shop. " No one needs to buy from coffee shops etc in town centres. No one forces people to waste their wages. Make a packed lunch and take a mug and tub of coffee to work. Employers by law have to provide for breaks, so there should be a kettle or hot water dispenser. If there isn't, take a Thermos of boiling water. It's not rocket science. | |||
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"We've been back open for a while, and are encouraging everyone to do at least one day a week in the office. Everyone who's been in has admitted it's great for their mental well being. Discretion is still offered for those with childcare concerns, medical conditions or those who use public transport for their commute. Other than that, pressure is definitely being applied to get people back in. Long term it will definitely be a blended balance of home Vs office, but the company has stated it will never fully be home working. The roads are definitely busier each day, as are the queues in the local Sandwich shopswtc at lunchtimes. Would hate to see some of our local businesses forced to close because not enough people are able to support them." my company have taken the exact opposite approach ... even when i have asked to be on site for tasks that will be easier (and i know my floor is empty so social distancing is not an issue) i was told no our access has been revoked, not allowed in to collect personal belongings and we have been provided desks chair and monitors at home, printers being removed from the offices ... its clear to me we are never going back as they know they can cut cost on leased office space | |||
"My personal opinion is that WFH is a realignment in how we do business, it’s streamlining the economy, removing wasteful services and allowing those in traditional business to evaluate their Economic models for the 21st century. The benefits are pretty self evident since lockdown. Here are a few in no particular order. - better work/life balance for families - increased health - reduction in work related travel and the stress which is associated with it. - increase in work productivity. - reduction in pollution in towns and cities. - increases in monetary savings for home workers. - lower food bills. - boosting the local economy by spending locally as opposed to spending in areas of work. In the same respect there are unbeneficial aspects which should not be ignored either, again in no particular order. - increases in mental health Issues due to isolation. - pressure to overcompensate when working as you are not visible. - no separation from home/work environments for many. - decreased Physical activity for those Who were active. Only you as an individual can judge what suits you, but for many, work is just means to an end, for others they live to work. At the end of this, we need to remember the Virus forced us to evaluate what was important in life. Only history can say whether WFH was turning point in how we work for the better or for the worse. " | |||
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"The CBI is warning that city centres will become like ghost towns. I know it's sad but this was needed when you really really think about it. It must be so much better for the environment for us not to be doing the daily commute every day. In time the life may grow back into small suburb towns like where I live with small shops opening nearer to where people actually live that provide goods and services for the former office workers. This could be the silver lining that Greta Thunberg and all the other tree huggers wanted. There are hundreds of thousands of people that have come to rely on office working. Think coffee shops, sandwich shops, office cleaners, office suppliers, taxis etc... the list is endless. Without a thriving office culture, many small businesses are going to go to the wall. Less workers equals less tax take. Thats why the Goverment is keen to get many more people to return. So you're arguing that we should all work less effectively, and commute for much longer, so taxi drivers and sandwich shop owners can make a living? I need a better argument than that. Want to sell me a sandwich? Bring it to where I am. Arguing that I should do a long, miserable commute on the worst roads in England, or on inconvnenient, packed, badly managed and expensive trains, so you can occasionally sell me a sandwich is the worst argument in the world. Remind me what sandwich sellers have ever done when I've needed a pay rise or a hand up. The perfect example of why socialism can never work. I'm ok fuck everyone else." You really need to get a greater repertoire of witty comebacks. If I buy a sandwich for £3 from Pret a Manger how much of the price of that sandwich do you think ends up in anyone's wages? The greatest part of the price of that sandwich ends up in the hands of landlords and the investment bankers who own the company. Wages, even incuding the wages of the delivery drivers and the suppiers employees, make up maybe less than 10% of the price of that sandwich. Now, between you and me, I don't remember any definition of socialism that says that I should buy expensive sandwiches so investment bankers and landlords can carry on getting richer. Mr Icebreaker | |||
"The CBI is warning that city centres will become like ghost towns. I know it's sad but this was needed when you really really think about it. It must be so much better for the environment for us not to be doing the daily commute every day. In time the life may grow back into small suburb towns like where I live with small shops opening nearer to where people actually live that provide goods and services for the former office workers. This could be the silver lining that Greta Thunberg and all the other tree huggers wanted. There are hundreds of thousands of people that have come to rely on office working. Think coffee shops, sandwich shops, office cleaners, office suppliers, taxis etc... the list is endless. Without a thriving office culture, many small businesses are going to go to the wall. Less workers equals less tax take. Thats why the Goverment is keen to get many more people to return. So you're arguing that we should all work less effectively, and commute for much longer, so taxi drivers and sandwich shop owners can make a living? I need a better argument than that. Want to sell me a sandwich? Bring it to where I am. Arguing that I should do a long, miserable commute on the worst roads in England, or on inconvnenient, packed, badly managed and expensive trains, so you can occasionally sell me a sandwich is the worst argument in the world. Remind me what sandwich sellers have ever done when I've needed a pay rise or a hand up. The perfect example of why socialism can never work. I'm ok fuck everyone else. Well you do have to look after no1. Reality is working from home is the future for many office jobs. Even when people go back to the office they now realise how much they can save not eating or having coffee at coffee shop. No one needs to buy from coffee shops etc in town centres. No one forces people to waste their wages. Make a packed lunch and take a mug and tub of coffee to work. Employers by law have to provide for breaks, so there should be a kettle or hot water dispenser. If there isn't, take a Thermos of boiling water. It's not rocket science. " I agree, but that rather blows apart the shallow argument of this government and its apologists that everyone has to go back to work in city centres to get the economy restarted. | |||
"The CBI is warning that city centres will become like ghost towns. I know it's sad but this was needed when you really really think about it. It must be so much better for the environment for us not to be doing the daily commute every day. In time the life may grow back into small suburb towns like where I live with small shops opening nearer to where people actually live that provide goods and services for the former office workers. This could be the silver lining that Greta Thunberg and all the other tree huggers wanted. There are hundreds of thousands of people that have come to rely on office working. Think coffee shops, sandwich shops, office cleaners, office suppliers, taxis etc... the list is endless. Without a thriving office culture, many small businesses are going to go to the wall. Less workers equals less tax take. Thats why the Goverment is keen to get many more people to return. So you're arguing that we should all work less effectively, and commute for much longer, so taxi drivers and sandwich shop owners can make a living? I need a better argument than that. Want to sell me a sandwich? Bring it to where I am. Arguing that I should do a long, miserable commute on the worst roads in England, or on inconvnenient, packed, badly managed and expensive trains, so you can occasionally sell me a sandwich is the worst argument in the world. Remind me what sandwich sellers have ever done when I've needed a pay rise or a hand up. The perfect example of why socialism can never work. I'm ok fuck everyone else. Well you do have to look after no1. Reality is working from home is the future for many office jobs. Even when people go back to the office they now realise how much they can save not eating or having coffee at coffee shop. No one needs to buy from coffee shops etc in town centres. No one forces people to waste their wages. Make a packed lunch and take a mug and tub of coffee to work. Employers by law have to provide for breaks, so there should be a kettle or hot water dispenser. If there isn't, take a Thermos of boiling water. It's not rocket science. I agree, but that rather blows apart the shallow argument of this government and its apologists that everyone has to go back to work in city centres to get the economy restarted." Honestly, it's really tickled me in the past, watching colleagues spending upwards of £10 a day in a staff canteen on breakfast, lunch, hot drinks, vending machines etc. The employer pays you and you immediately give them about £50 straight back! Much cheaper to bring your own food, use the microwave/kettle (toaster, if allowed) or eat cold lunches. I've worked all sorts of silly shifts in the past but very infrequently buy lunch etc at work. | |||
"The CBI is warning that city centres will become like ghost towns. I know it's sad but this was needed when you really really think about it. It must be so much better for the environment for us not to be doing the daily commute every day. In time the life may grow back into small suburb towns like where I live with small shops opening nearer to where people actually live that provide goods and services for the former office workers. This could be the silver lining that Greta Thunberg and all the other tree huggers wanted. There are hundreds of thousands of people that have come to rely on office working. Think coffee shops, sandwich shops, office cleaners, office suppliers, taxis etc... the list is endless. Without a thriving office culture, many small businesses are going to go to the wall. Less workers equals less tax take. Thats why the Goverment is keen to get many more people to return. So you're arguing that we should all work less effectively, and commute for much longer, so taxi drivers and sandwich shop owners can make a living? I need a better argument than that. Want to sell me a sandwich? Bring it to where I am. Arguing that I should do a long, miserable commute on the worst roads in England, or on inconvnenient, packed, badly managed and expensive trains, so you can occasionally sell me a sandwich is the worst argument in the world. Remind me what sandwich sellers have ever done when I've needed a pay rise or a hand up. The perfect example of why socialism can never work. I'm ok fuck everyone else. Well you do have to look after no1. Reality is working from home is the future for many office jobs. Even when people go back to the office they now realise how much they can save not eating or having coffee at coffee shop. No one needs to buy from coffee shops etc in town centres. No one forces people to waste their wages. Make a packed lunch and take a mug and tub of coffee to work. Employers by law have to provide for breaks, so there should be a kettle or hot water dispenser. If there isn't, take a Thermos of boiling water. It's not rocket science. I agree, but that rather blows apart the shallow argument of this government and its apologists that everyone has to go back to work in city centres to get the economy restarted. Honestly, it's really tickled me in the past, watching colleagues spending upwards of £10 a day in a staff canteen on breakfast, lunch, hot drinks, vending machines etc. The employer pays you and you immediately give them about £50 straight back! Much cheaper to bring your own food, use the microwave/kettle (toaster, if allowed) or eat cold lunches. I've worked all sorts of silly shifts in the past but very infrequently buy lunch etc at work. " The modern day equivalent of the factory shop, part paid in tokens only taken by the owners shop keeper.. Just a bit more fancier food and coffee you need a dictionary to decipher what each one is.. | |||
"The CBI is warning that city centres will become like ghost towns. I know it's sad but this was needed when you really really think about it. It must be so much better for the environment for us not to be doing the daily commute every day. In time the life may grow back into small suburb towns like where I live with small shops opening nearer to where people actually live that provide goods and services for the former office workers. This could be the silver lining that Greta Thunberg and all the other tree huggers wanted. There are hundreds of thousands of people that have come to rely on office working. Think coffee shops, sandwich shops, office cleaners, office suppliers, taxis etc... the list is endless. Without a thriving office culture, many small businesses are going to go to the wall. Less workers equals less tax take. Thats why the Goverment is keen to get many more people to return. So you're arguing that we should all work less effectively, and commute for much longer, so taxi drivers and sandwich shop owners can make a living? I need a better argument than that. Want to sell me a sandwich? Bring it to where I am. Arguing that I should do a long, miserable commute on the worst roads in England, or on inconvnenient, packed, badly managed and expensive trains, so you can occasionally sell me a sandwich is the worst argument in the world. Remind me what sandwich sellers have ever done when I've needed a pay rise or a hand up. The perfect example of why socialism can never work. I'm ok fuck everyone else. Well you do have to look after no1. Reality is working from home is the future for many office jobs. Even when people go back to the office they now realise how much they can save not eating or having coffee at coffee shop. No one needs to buy from coffee shops etc in town centres. No one forces people to waste their wages. Make a packed lunch and take a mug and tub of coffee to work. Employers by law have to provide for breaks, so there should be a kettle or hot water dispenser. If there isn't, take a Thermos of boiling water. It's not rocket science. I agree, but that rather blows apart the shallow argument of this government and its apologists that everyone has to go back to work in city centres to get the economy restarted. Honestly, it's really tickled me in the past, watching colleagues spending upwards of £10 a day in a staff canteen on breakfast, lunch, hot drinks, vending machines etc. The employer pays you and you immediately give them about £50 straight back! Much cheaper to bring your own food, use the microwave/kettle (toaster, if allowed) or eat cold lunches. I've worked all sorts of silly shifts in the past but very infrequently buy lunch etc at work. The modern day equivalent of the factory shop, part paid in tokens only taken by the owners shop keeper.. Just a bit more fancier food and coffee you need a dictionary to decipher what each one is.." Difference now is that you aren't tied to tokens from your employer. It's entirely up to the employee as to whether they bip their card or not for a hot lunch or stick a few quid in the coffee machine. If people are moaning about £3 sandwiches and expensive coffee, then the answer is very straightforward. Buy a load of bread, spread/butter and a filling you enjoy, and make butties. It takes a few minutes the evening before. Bring your own tea/coffee if the employer does not provide it, bring a thermal cup in your bag and take it home to wash each day. I keep green tea bags in my desk drawer (employer provides basic tea/coffee) and my mug goes home, along with the tupperwear and fork I used for my lunch. | |||
"The CBI is warning that city centres will become like ghost towns. I know it's sad but this was needed when you really really think about it. It must be so much better for the environment for us not to be doing the daily commute every day. In time the life may grow back into small suburb towns like where I live with small shops opening nearer to where people actually live that provide goods and services for the former office workers. This could be the silver lining that Greta Thunberg and all the other tree huggers wanted. There are hundreds of thousands of people that have come to rely on office working. Think coffee shops, sandwich shops, office cleaners, office suppliers, taxis etc... the list is endless. Without a thriving office culture, many small businesses are going to go to the wall. Less workers equals less tax take. Thats why the Goverment is keen to get many more people to return. So you're arguing that we should all work less effectively, and commute for much longer, so taxi drivers and sandwich shop owners can make a living? I need a better argument than that. Want to sell me a sandwich? Bring it to where I am. Arguing that I should do a long, miserable commute on the worst roads in England, or on inconvnenient, packed, badly managed and expensive trains, so you can occasionally sell me a sandwich is the worst argument in the world. Remind me what sandwich sellers have ever done when I've needed a pay rise or a hand up. The perfect example of why socialism can never work. I'm ok fuck everyone else. Well you do have to look after no1. Reality is working from home is the future for many office jobs. Even when people go back to the office they now realise how much they can save not eating or having coffee at coffee shop. No one needs to buy from coffee shops etc in town centres. No one forces people to waste their wages. Make a packed lunch and take a mug and tub of coffee to work. Employers by law have to provide for breaks, so there should be a kettle or hot water dispenser. If there isn't, take a Thermos of boiling water. It's not rocket science. I agree, but that rather blows apart the shallow argument of this government and its apologists that everyone has to go back to work in city centres to get the economy restarted. Honestly, it's really tickled me in the past, watching colleagues spending upwards of £10 a day in a staff canteen on breakfast, lunch, hot drinks, vending machines etc. The employer pays you and you immediately give them about £50 straight back! Much cheaper to bring your own food, use the microwave/kettle (toaster, if allowed) or eat cold lunches. I've worked all sorts of silly shifts in the past but very infrequently buy lunch etc at work. The modern day equivalent of the factory shop, part paid in tokens only taken by the owners shop keeper.. Just a bit more fancier food and coffee you need a dictionary to decipher what each one is.. Difference now is that you aren't tied to tokens from your employer. It's entirely up to the employee as to whether they bip their card or not for a hot lunch or stick a few quid in the coffee machine. If people are moaning about £3 sandwiches and expensive coffee, then the answer is very straightforward. Buy a load of bread, spread/butter and a filling you enjoy, and make butties. It takes a few minutes the evening before. Bring your own tea/coffee if the employer does not provide it, bring a thermal cup in your bag and take it home to wash each day. I keep green tea bags in my desk drawer (employer provides basic tea/coffee) and my mug goes home, along with the tupperwear and fork I used for my lunch. " Totally agree.. | |||
"The CBI is warning that city centres will become like ghost towns. I know it's sad but this was needed when you really really think about it. It must be so much better for the environment for us not to be doing the daily commute every day. In time the life may grow back into small suburb towns like where I live with small shops opening nearer to where people actually live that provide goods and services for the former office workers. This could be the silver lining that Greta Thunberg and all the other tree huggers wanted. There are hundreds of thousands of people that have come to rely on office working. Think coffee shops, sandwich shops, office cleaners, office suppliers, taxis etc... the list is endless. Without a thriving office culture, many small businesses are going to go to the wall. Less workers equals less tax take. Thats why the Goverment is keen to get many more people to return. So you're arguing that we should all work less effectively, and commute for much longer, so taxi drivers and sandwich shop owners can make a living? I need a better argument than that. Want to sell me a sandwich? Bring it to where I am. Arguing that I should do a long, miserable commute on the worst roads in England, or on inconvnenient, packed, badly managed and expensive trains, so you can occasionally sell me a sandwich is the worst argument in the world. Remind me what sandwich sellers have ever done when I've needed a pay rise or a hand up. The perfect example of why socialism can never work. I'm ok fuck everyone else. Well you do have to look after no1. Reality is working from home is the future for many office jobs. Even when people go back to the office they now realise how much they can save not eating or having coffee at coffee shop. No one needs to buy from coffee shops etc in town centres. No one forces people to waste their wages. Make a packed lunch and take a mug and tub of coffee to work. Employers by law have to provide for breaks, so there should be a kettle or hot water dispenser. If there isn't, take a Thermos of boiling water. It's not rocket science. I agree, but that rather blows apart the shallow argument of this government and its apologists that everyone has to go back to work in city centres to get the economy restarted. Honestly, it's really tickled me in the past, watching colleagues spending upwards of £10 a day in a staff canteen on breakfast, lunch, hot drinks, vending machines etc. The employer pays you and you immediately give them about £50 straight back! Much cheaper to bring your own food, use the microwave/kettle (toaster, if allowed) or eat cold lunches. I've worked all sorts of silly shifts in the past but very infrequently buy lunch etc at work. The modern day equivalent of the factory shop, part paid in tokens only taken by the owners shop keeper.. Just a bit more fancier food and coffee you need a dictionary to decipher what each one is.. Difference now is that you aren't tied to tokens from your employer. It's entirely up to the employee as to whether they bip their card or not for a hot lunch or stick a few quid in the coffee machine. If people are moaning about £3 sandwiches and expensive coffee, then the answer is very straightforward. Buy a load of bread, spread/butter and a filling you enjoy, and make butties. It takes a few minutes the evening before. Bring your own tea/coffee if the employer does not provide it, bring a thermal cup in your bag and take it home to wash each day. I keep green tea bags in my desk drawer (employer provides basic tea/coffee) and my mug goes home, along with the tupperwear and fork I used for my lunch. " Yes, yes, but if we go back to work and don't spend any money in the city centre then that's the government's spurious argument about the economic harm being done by people working from home rather torpedoed isn't it? That's the point.... | |||
"The CBI is warning that city centres will become like ghost towns. I know it's sad but this was needed when you really really think about it. It must be so much better for the environment for us not to be doing the daily commute every day. In time the life may grow back into small suburb towns like where I live with small shops opening nearer to where people actually live that provide goods and services for the former office workers. This could be the silver lining that Greta Thunberg and all the other tree huggers wanted. There are hundreds of thousands of people that have come to rely on office working. Think coffee shops, sandwich shops, office cleaners, office suppliers, taxis etc... the list is endless. Without a thriving office culture, many small businesses are going to go to the wall. Less workers equals less tax take. Thats why the Goverment is keen to get many more people to return. So you're arguing that we should all work less effectively, and commute for much longer, so taxi drivers and sandwich shop owners can make a living? I need a better argument than that. Want to sell me a sandwich? Bring it to where I am. Arguing that I should do a long, miserable commute on the worst roads in England, or on inconvnenient, packed, badly managed and expensive trains, so you can occasionally sell me a sandwich is the worst argument in the world. Remind me what sandwich sellers have ever done when I've needed a pay rise or a hand up. The perfect example of why socialism can never work. I'm ok fuck everyone else. Well you do have to look after no1. Reality is working from home is the future for many office jobs. Even when people go back to the office they now realise how much they can save not eating or having coffee at coffee shop. No one needs to buy from coffee shops etc in town centres. No one forces people to waste their wages. Make a packed lunch and take a mug and tub of coffee to work. Employers by law have to provide for breaks, so there should be a kettle or hot water dispenser. If there isn't, take a Thermos of boiling water. It's not rocket science. I agree, but that rather blows apart the shallow argument of this government and its apologists that everyone has to go back to work in city centres to get the economy restarted. Honestly, it's really tickled me in the past, watching colleagues spending upwards of £10 a day in a staff canteen on breakfast, lunch, hot drinks, vending machines etc. The employer pays you and you immediately give them about £50 straight back! Much cheaper to bring your own food, use the microwave/kettle (toaster, if allowed) or eat cold lunches. I've worked all sorts of silly shifts in the past but very infrequently buy lunch etc at work. The modern day equivalent of the factory shop, part paid in tokens only taken by the owners shop keeper.. Just a bit more fancier food and coffee you need a dictionary to decipher what each one is.. Difference now is that you aren't tied to tokens from your employer. It's entirely up to the employee as to whether they bip their card or not for a hot lunch or stick a few quid in the coffee machine. If people are moaning about £3 sandwiches and expensive coffee, then the answer is very straightforward. Buy a load of bread, spread/butter and a filling you enjoy, and make butties. It takes a few minutes the evening before. Bring your own tea/coffee if the employer does not provide it, bring a thermal cup in your bag and take it home to wash each day. I keep green tea bags in my desk drawer (employer provides basic tea/coffee) and my mug goes home, along with the tupperwear and fork I used for my lunch. Yes, yes, but if we go back to work and don't spend any money in the city centre then that's the government's spurious argument about the economic harm being done by people working from home rather torpedoed isn't it? That's the point...." I think the Govt is more interested in saving commercial landlords rather than individual businesses. | |||
"The CBI is warning that city centres will become like ghost towns. I know it's sad but this was needed when you really really think about it. It must be so much better for the environment for us not to be doing the daily commute every day. In time the life may grow back into small suburb towns like where I live with small shops opening nearer to where people actually live that provide goods and services for the former office workers. This could be the silver lining that Greta Thunberg and all the other tree huggers wanted. There are hundreds of thousands of people that have come to rely on office working. Think coffee shops, sandwich shops, office cleaners, office suppliers, taxis etc... the list is endless. Without a thriving office culture, many small businesses are going to go to the wall. Less workers equals less tax take. Thats why the Goverment is keen to get many more people to return. So you're arguing that we should all work less effectively, and commute for much longer, so taxi drivers and sandwich shop owners can make a living? I need a better argument than that. Want to sell me a sandwich? Bring it to where I am. Arguing that I should do a long, miserable commute on the worst roads in England, or on inconvnenient, packed, badly managed and expensive trains, so you can occasionally sell me a sandwich is the worst argument in the world. Remind me what sandwich sellers have ever done when I've needed a pay rise or a hand up. The perfect example of why socialism can never work. I'm ok fuck everyone else. Well you do have to look after no1. Reality is working from home is the future for many office jobs. Even when people go back to the office they now realise how much they can save not eating or having coffee at coffee shop. No one needs to buy from coffee shops etc in town centres. No one forces people to waste their wages. Make a packed lunch and take a mug and tub of coffee to work. Employers by law have to provide for breaks, so there should be a kettle or hot water dispenser. If there isn't, take a Thermos of boiling water. It's not rocket science. I agree, but that rather blows apart the shallow argument of this government and its apologists that everyone has to go back to work in city centres to get the economy restarted. Honestly, it's really tickled me in the past, watching colleagues spending upwards of £10 a day in a staff canteen on breakfast, lunch, hot drinks, vending machines etc. The employer pays you and you immediately give them about £50 straight back! Much cheaper to bring your own food, use the microwave/kettle (toaster, if allowed) or eat cold lunches. I've worked all sorts of silly shifts in the past but very infrequently buy lunch etc at work. The modern day equivalent of the factory shop, part paid in tokens only taken by the owners shop keeper.. Just a bit more fancier food and coffee you need a dictionary to decipher what each one is.. Difference now is that you aren't tied to tokens from your employer. It's entirely up to the employee as to whether they bip their card or not for a hot lunch or stick a few quid in the coffee machine. If people are moaning about £3 sandwiches and expensive coffee, then the answer is very straightforward. Buy a load of bread, spread/butter and a filling you enjoy, and make butties. It takes a few minutes the evening before. Bring your own tea/coffee if the employer does not provide it, bring a thermal cup in your bag and take it home to wash each day. I keep green tea bags in my desk drawer (employer provides basic tea/coffee) and my mug goes home, along with the tupperwear and fork I used for my lunch. Yes, yes, but if we go back to work and don't spend any money in the city centre then that's the government's spurious argument about the economic harm being done by people working from home rather torpedoed isn't it? That's the point.... I think the Govt is more interested in saving commercial landlords rather than individual businesses." You don't say, lol.... | |||
"The CBI is warning that city centres will become like ghost towns. I know it's sad but this was needed when you really really think about it. It must be so much better for the environment for us not to be doing the daily commute every day. In time the life may grow back into small suburb towns like where I live with small shops opening nearer to where people actually live that provide goods and services for the former office workers. This could be the silver lining that Greta Thunberg and all the other tree huggers wanted. There are hundreds of thousands of people that have come to rely on office working. Think coffee shops, sandwich shops, office cleaners, office suppliers, taxis etc... the list is endless. Without a thriving office culture, many small businesses are going to go to the wall. Less workers equals less tax take. Thats why the Goverment is keen to get many more people to return. So you're arguing that we should all work less effectively, and commute for much longer, so taxi drivers and sandwich shop owners can make a living? I need a better argument than that. Want to sell me a sandwich? Bring it to where I am. Arguing that I should do a long, miserable commute on the worst roads in England, or on inconvnenient, packed, badly managed and expensive trains, so you can occasionally sell me a sandwich is the worst argument in the world. Remind me what sandwich sellers have ever done when I've needed a pay rise or a hand up." . Wow...great response. It's not just sandwich bars that will suffer....think of cafes pubs high street shops banks etc. then think of the knock on effect onto public transport, higher fares and less routes needed. Less need for maintenance on shops so local DiY stores quieter. Everything here has a knock on effect to the point that city centres and towns will no longer be needed. And before anyone says...online shopping is not for everyone. | |||
