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"M&S has been teetering on the brink for years and years..... " Yes. I thought so to they have that. | |||
"They had already committed to closing 50 stores just before covid. Another well known High Street name nearly gone." Yes, who would of thought that about with this super giant , soon our high streets will be empty with well known names. | |||
"M&S has been teetering on the brink for years and years..... " This.. They've not kept up with so-called fashion trends, which don't get me wrong are not the best thing for both the environment and working conditions for those making the throw away stuff which sells.. On top of that some of what they were very good at, the basics have dropped off in quality.. | |||
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"M&S has been teetering on the brink for years and years..... This.. They've not kept up with so-called fashion trends, which don't get me wrong are not the best thing for both the environment and working conditions for those making the throw away stuff which sells.. On top of that some of what they were very good at, the basics have dropped off in quality.. " They still do some of the best underwear. | |||
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"M&S has been teetering on the brink for years and years..... This.. They've not kept up with so-called fashion trends, which don't get me wrong are not the best thing for both the environment and working conditions for those making the throw away stuff which sells.. On top of that some of what they were very good at, the basics have dropped off in quality.. They still do some of the best underwear." Have worn their pants for years, yeah I know not fabsexy but the quality has dropped off.. Maybe time to change .. | |||
"M&S has been teetering on the brink for years and years..... This.. They've not kept up with so-called fashion trends, which don't get me wrong are not the best thing for both the environment and working conditions for those making the throw away stuff which sells.. On top of that some of what they were very good at, the basics have dropped off in quality.. They still do some of the best underwear. Have worn their pants for years, yeah I know not fabsexy but the quality has dropped off.. Maybe time to change .." Yes, my everyday panties are M&S 
We get Ocado food deliveries and M&S produce will start in September, so let's see what it's like........ | |||
"M&S has been teetering on the brink for years and years..... This.. They've not kept up with so-called fashion trends, which don't get me wrong are not the best thing for both the environment and working conditions for those making the throw away stuff which sells.. On top of that some of what they were very good at, the basics have dropped off in quality.. They still do some of the best underwear. Have worn their pants for years, yeah I know not fabsexy but the quality has dropped off.. Maybe time to change .. Yes, my everyday panties are M&S
We get Ocado food deliveries and M&S produce will start in September, so let's see what it's like........ "Always puzzled me why they were slow in the home delivery market, it was always going to hit their sales.. | |||
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"M&S has been loosing the plot. Some of the bigger stores are fine, but my local town for example food choice is awful and very samey, lack of count on us range as well The clothes section is a bit meh, and most times you go in and get told order online anyway. " Agree. The clothing has got worse and worse, I think. I bought a absolutely stunning formal office dress suit about 6-7yrs ago, but before lockdown, searches for similar items resulted in disappointment. The quality has declined too. For day to day, I only wear M&S lace top French knicker type things, but the last batch have fallen to bits before the older ones. The lace detaches and the material just feels inferior. | |||
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"the fault in my opinion partly rests with the councils, to vistit my home town to shop in a car costs around £3.00 an hour, and thats if you can get a space, they have closed most of the carparks and sold them for huge sums for developmant, and the less revenue they make from parking the prices go up more, why go to town when you can shop from your sofa for the same price or lower, the other problem is that alot of the big chains, havnt kept up with the times, its a real shame, our town centre used to be heaving most days of the week, now its all but empty, yes you can blame amazon etc, but they were the smart ones and saw the change coming and acted on it, my worry is what will happen when all the high streets are compleatly gone, then the online retailers will have us all over a barrel, prices only stay low with compatition, if there is none then ??? but the other problem is us, we are all in efect lazy, and would rather shop online, or worse go to a shop and look at verious items to choose what you want, then go home and order it online, so we must all take some of the blame, the virus has just sped things up a bit, it was going to happen anyway. my other worry is, if nobody is working and paying tax, how will the gov fund all the benifits required for all those now out of work but cant get a new job, we are looking at hard times ahead, possible that it will be worse than its ever been. Anyway thats my 2 pence worth" Those who are in work are going to be paying for all this that’s for sure | |||
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"the fault in my opinion partly rests with the councils, to vistit my home town to shop in a car costs around £3.00 an hour, and thats if you can get a space, they have closed most of the carparks and sold them for huge sums for developmant, and the less revenue they make from parking the prices go up more, why go to town when you can shop from your sofa for the same price or lower, the other problem is that alot of the big chains, havnt kept up with the times, its a real shame, our town centre used to be heaving most days of the week, now its all but empty, yes you can blame amazon etc, but they were the smart ones and saw the change coming and acted on it, my worry is what will happen when all the high streets are compleatly gone, then the online retailers will have us all over a barrel, prices only stay low with compatition, if there is none then ??? but the other problem is us, we are all in efect lazy, and would rather shop online, or worse go to a shop and look at verious items to choose what you want, then go home and order it online, so we must all take some of the blame, the virus has just sped things up a bit, it was going to happen anyway. my other worry is, if nobody is working and paying tax, how will the gov fund all the benifits required for all those now out of work but cant get a new job, we are looking at hard times ahead, possible that it will be worse than its ever been. Anyway thats my 2 pence worth Those who are in work are going to be paying for all this that’s for sure " problem if not enough people are working, then taxs will have to rise, i remember in the early 70s the higher rate tax was around 80%. my dad was in that bracket, so used to work until he had reached that threshold, then not bother working for the rest of the month, who wants to earn 20% of what you have worked for? most others did the same, net result, taxes collected actually went down as a result | |||
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"the fault in my opinion partly rests with the councils, to vistit my home town to shop in a car costs around £3.00 an hour, and thats if you can get a space, they have closed most of the carparks and sold them for huge sums for developmant, and the less revenue they make from parking the prices go up more, why go to town when you can shop from your sofa " It's very easy to blame councils but the reality is that councils have been funded less and less each year and expected to deliver more and more. In order to do that they have no alternative but to capitalise on anything they have to make money in order to keep frontline services up and running. Councils were told "do whatever you need to do to get Covid under control, we'll cover the costs" but money still hasn't been forthcoming from central government - my local council is still waiting for the £60M they've lost, and are having to lay people off. Central government take the cash, local government take the flack. | |||
"the fault in my opinion partly rests with the councils, to vistit my home town to shop in a car costs around £3.00 an hour, and thats if you can get a space, they have closed most of the carparks and sold them for huge sums for developmant, and the less revenue they make from parking the prices go up more, why go to town when you can shop from your sofa for the same price or lower, the other problem is that alot of the big chains, havnt kept up with the times, its a real shame, our town centre used to be heaving most days of the week, now its all but empty, yes you can blame amazon etc, but they were the smart ones and saw the change coming and acted on it, my worry is what will happen when all the high streets are compleatly gone, then the online retailers will have us all over a barrel, prices only stay low with compatition, if there is none then ??? but the other problem is us, we are all in efect lazy, and would rather shop online, or worse go to a shop and look at verious items to choose what you want, then go home and order it online, so we must all take some of the blame, the virus has just sped things up a bit, it was going to happen anyway. my other worry is, if nobody is working and paying tax, how will the gov fund all the benifits required for all those now out of work but cant get a new job, we are looking at hard times ahead, possible that it will be worse than its ever been. Anyway thats my 2 pence worth" Think you are spot on.Its so much more easier to order anything you want online now. I'm no fan of amazon but the service they provide is outstanding. Where is it going to end though?if The big shops cant compete .where does that leave the rest? The economy needs a radical overhaul. | |||
"the fault in my opinion partly rests with the councils, to vistit my home town to shop in a car costs around £3.00 an hour, and thats if you can get a space, they have closed most of the carparks and sold them for huge sums for developmant, and the less revenue they make from parking the prices go up more, why go to town when you can shop from your sofa It's very easy to blame councils but the reality is that councils have been funded less and less each year and expected to deliver more and more. In order to do that they have no alternative but to capitalise on anything they have to make money in order to keep frontline services up and running. Councils were told "do whatever you need to do to get Covid under control, we'll cover the costs" but money still hasn't been forthcoming from central government - my local council is still waiting for the £60M they've lost, and are having to lay people off. Central government take the cash, local government take the flack. " Some local authorities are getting absolutely savaged and without bringing politics into it..it doesn't take a genius to work out which ones. | |||
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"Only ever shopped in M&S once, about 30 years ago. Put about £100 worth of clothes into my trolley and went to pay.. £100 pounds please. Gave the woman my Visa credit card.. Ohh no we don't accept that, the snotty bitch looked me like I was a lepper or something, you can apply for a store card.. Errm no thanks, I'll shop elsewhere, bye. I left the stuff on the counter, my trolley where it was and walked out.. Never set foot in an M&S since.. It's never adapted to what buyers actually want." They sell good beetroot though | |||
"Only ever shopped in M&S once, about 30 years ago. Put about £100 worth of clothes into my trolley and went to pay.. £100 pounds please. Gave the woman my Visa credit card.. Ohh no we don't accept that, the snotty bitch looked me like I was a lepper or something, you can apply for a store card.. Errm no thanks, I'll shop elsewhere, bye. I left the stuff on the counter, my trolley where it was and walked out.. Never set foot in an M&S since.. It's never adapted to what buyers actually want." 1) It's taken Visa credit and debit for my entire adult life, which I'd say is a reasonable time frame 2) The store assistant at the time didn't make the rules, so saying she was a snotty bitch is a bit much M&S can be criticised for many reasons, but not taking Visa isn't one of them. Lots of shops didn't take cards 30+ years ago when they were far less widespread. | |||
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" It's very easy to blame councils but the reality is that councils have been funded less and less each year and expected to deliver more and more. In order to do that they have no alternative but to capitalise on anything they have to make money in order to keep frontline services up and running. Councils were told "do whatever you need to do to get Covid under control, we'll cover the costs" but money still hasn't been forthcoming from central government - my local council is still waiting for the £60M they've lost, and are having to lay people off. Central government take the cash, local government take the flack. " Utter bollocks in my opinion. Local Govt. has wasted billions upon billions over the years. Our Labour run authority have built and demolished 2 shopping centre, 2 swimming pools, 3 cinemas, Lord knows how many housing estates and no less than 4 bus stations in my lifetime. They honestly could not run a piss up in a brewery - and they always vote Labour round here ya know - a sick joke, the lot of them. | |||
"Only ever shopped in M&S once, about 30 years ago. Put about £100 worth of clothes into my trolley and went to pay.. £100 pounds please. Gave the woman my Visa credit card.. Ohh no we don't accept that, the snotty bitch looked me like I was a lepper or something, you can apply for a store card.. Errm no thanks, I'll shop elsewhere, bye. I left the stuff on the counter, my trolley where it was and walked out.. Never set foot in an M&S since.. It's never adapted to what buyers actually want. They sell good beetroot though "Not for much longer though  | |||
"Only ever shopped in M&S once, about 30 years ago. Put about £100 worth of clothes into my trolley and went to pay.. £100 pounds please. Gave the woman my Visa credit card.. Ohh no we don't accept that, the snotty bitch looked me like I was a lepper or something, you can apply for a store card.. Errm no thanks, I'll shop elsewhere, bye. I left the stuff on the counter, my trolley where it was and walked out.. Never set foot in an M&S since.. It's never adapted to what buyers actually want. 1) It's taken Visa credit and debit for my entire adult life, which I'd say is a reasonable time frame 2) The store assistant at the time didn't make the rules, so saying she was a snotty bitch is a bit much M&S can be criticised for many reasons, but not taking Visa isn't one of them. Lots of shops didn't take cards 30+ years ago when they were far less widespread. " Yup I remember trying to use one in McDonald's about 15 years back...I was shocked then to find they didn't take them. Now I dont know how to order a bloody burger in there  | |||
"Only ever shopped in M&S once, about 30 years ago. Put about £100 worth of clothes into my trolley and went to pay.. £100 pounds please. Gave the woman my Visa credit card.. Ohh no we don't accept that, the snotty bitch looked me like I was a lepper or something, you can apply for a store card.. Errm no thanks, I'll shop elsewhere, bye. I left the stuff on the counter, my trolley where it was and walked out.. Never set foot in an M&S since.. It's never adapted to what buyers actually want. They sell good beetroot though
Not for much longer though
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" It's very easy to blame councils but the reality is that councils have been funded less and less each year and expected to deliver more and more. In order to do that they have no alternative but to capitalise on anything they have to make money in order to keep frontline services up and running. Councils were told "do whatever you need to do to get Covid under control, we'll cover the costs" but money still hasn't been forthcoming from central government - my local council is still waiting for the £60M they've lost, and are having to lay people off. Central government take the cash, local government take the flack. Utter bollocks in my opinion. Local Govt. has wasted billions upon billions over the years. Our Labour run authority have built and demolished 2 shopping centre, 2 swimming pools, 3 cinemas, Lord knows how many housing estates and no less than 4 bus stations in my lifetime. They honestly could not run a piss up in a brewery - and they always vote Labour round here ya know - a sick joke, the lot of them." What did they demolish them for?,which shipping centres?wasnt The arndale refurbed?the Trafford centre is one of the best shopping centres in the country? Presumably the housing estate have been replaced? There is a programme on the tele about how Manchester has been gentrified and the city centre is full of state of the art office blocks etc .so they couldn't have done too bad? | |||
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"M&S is not going anywhere it is getting rid of the staff it doesn't need. The stores it no longer make a profit. It is about to start food delivering September. The online is the way forward. " Makes you wonder why they employed them if they didn't need them. | |||
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" It's very easy to blame councils but the reality is that councils have been funded less and less each year and expected to deliver more and more. In order to do that they have no alternative but to capitalise on anything they have to make money in order to keep frontline services up and running. Councils were told "do whatever you need to do to get Covid under control, we'll cover the costs" but money still hasn't been forthcoming from central government - my local council is still waiting for the £60M they've lost, and are having to lay people off. Central government take the cash, local government take the flack. Utter bollocks in my opinion. Local Govt. has wasted billions upon billions over the years. Our Labour run authority have built and demolished 2 shopping centre, 2 swimming pools, 3 cinemas, Lord knows how many housing estates and no less than 4 bus stations in my lifetime. They honestly could not run a piss up in a brewery - and they always vote Labour round here ya know - a sick joke, the lot of them." Not going to argue politics, but it is not possible for any council to 'waste billions' as they don't have billions to waste. With response to the list of demolitions, councils don't go around pulling stuff down for the hell of it - that's not the way local authorities actually work. | |||
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" It's very easy to blame councils but the reality is that councils have been funded less and less each year and expected to deliver more and more. In order to do that they have no alternative but to capitalise on anything they have to make money in order to keep frontline services up and running. Councils were told "do whatever you need to do to get Covid under control, we'll cover the costs" but money still hasn't been forthcoming from central government - my local council is still waiting for the £60M they've lost, and are having to lay people off. Central government take the cash, local government take the flack. Utter bollocks in my opinion. Local Govt. has wasted billions upon billions over the years. Our Labour run authority have built and demolished 2 shopping centre, 2 swimming pools, 3 cinemas, Lord knows how many housing estates and no less than 4 bus stations in my lifetime. They honestly could not run a piss up in a brewery - and they always vote Labour round here ya know - a sick joke, the lot of them. Not going to argue politics, but it is not possible for any council to 'waste billions' as they don't have billions to waste. With response to the list of demolitions, councils don't go around pulling stuff down for the hell of it - that's not the way local authorities actually work. "Exactly. | |||
"All part of the plan by Chinese unleash a deadly disease to bring down the big businesses all round the world then when they are on there knees buy them at a riducious low price. All part of the plan by Chinese for world domination " Not.sure.if.serious. | |||
"I used to do a lot of work clothes shopping at M&S maybe 15 - 20 years ago, including their shoes which seemed to fit well and more importantly last well and I didn't mind paying that little bit more for those reasons. I then found they either stopped doing the clothes I liked, or in some cases, the quality didn't seem to be as good. I then went shopping elsewhere & can't recall the last clothing I bought there. I've still used their food store now & then, and homewares, especially at Christmas for gifts. They certainly haven't moved with the times. Sad to see the job losses, but presume they may have a following for those shopping online." I thought they brought in someone to revamp the clothing section a few years ago? It has always catered for that survabon middle class housewife look. | |||
"I used to do a lot of work clothes shopping at M&S maybe 15 - 20 years ago, including their shoes which seemed to fit well and more importantly last well and I didn't mind paying that little bit more for those reasons. I then found they either stopped doing the clothes I liked, or in some cases, the quality didn't seem to be as good. I then went shopping elsewhere & can't recall the last clothing I bought there. I've still used their food store now & then, and homewares, especially at Christmas for gifts. They certainly haven't moved with the times. Sad to see the job losses, but presume they may have a following for those shopping online. I thought they brought in someone to revamp the clothing section a few years ago? It has always catered for that survabon middle class housewife look." Is suburban care home a fashion thing, because that's mainly the clothing demographic, in my view. Housewives 30 years ago, maybe? | |||
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"I used to do a lot of work clothes shopping at M&S maybe 15 - 20 years ago, including their shoes which seemed to fit well and more importantly last well and I didn't mind paying that little bit more for those reasons. I then found they either stopped doing the clothes I liked, or in some cases, the quality didn't seem to be as good. I then went shopping elsewhere & can't recall the last clothing I bought there. I've still used their food store now & then, and homewares, especially at Christmas for gifts. They certainly haven't moved with the times. Sad to see the job losses, but presume they may have a following for those shopping online. I thought they brought in someone to revamp the clothing section a few years ago? It has always catered for that survabon middle class housewife look. Is suburban care home a fashion thing, because that's mainly the clothing demographic, in my view. Housewives 30 years ago, maybe? " It does always seem to be full of middle class types when I pop in for a chocolate sundae. Still a bit sad like. | |||
"the fault in my opinion partly rests with the councils, to vistit my home town to shop in a car costs around £3.00 an hour, and thats if you can get a space, they have closed most of the carparks and sold them for huge sums for developmant, and the less revenue they make from parking the prices go up more, why go to town when you can shop from your sofa It's very easy to blame councils but the reality is that councils have been funded less and less each year and expected to deliver more and more. In order to do that they have no alternative but to capitalise on anything they have to make money in order to keep frontline services up and running. Councils were told "do whatever you need to do to get Covid under control, we'll cover the costs" but money still hasn't been forthcoming from central government - my local council is still waiting for the £60M they've lost, and are having to lay people off. Central government take the cash, local government take the flack. " so why does my concil tax go up at double inflation every year, in my town alone they have over 10 huge buildings, granted they run all of hants from here, but the amount of staff they employ is ridiculus, and try to get them to do anything, good luck with that, but be a week late with your council tax and you will have ballifs knocking on your door, usless arseholes the lot of them, and most are still on furlow, and getting paid very well, while everyone else has to go back to work or loose thier homes, if you dont believe me, look into it, its not hard, the wastage is unbelievable | |||
"I used to do a lot of work clothes shopping at M&S maybe 15 - 20 years ago, including their shoes which seemed to fit well and more importantly last well and I didn't mind paying that little bit more for those reasons. I then found they either stopped doing the clothes I liked, or in some cases, the quality didn't seem to be as good. I then went shopping elsewhere & can't recall the last clothing I bought there. I've still used their food store now & then, and homewares, especially at Christmas for gifts. They certainly haven't moved with the times. Sad to see the job losses, but presume they may have a following for those shopping online. I thought they brought in someone to revamp the clothing section a few years ago? It has always catered for that survabon middle class housewife look. Is suburban care home a fashion thing, because that's mainly the clothing demographic, in my view. Housewives 30 years ago, maybe? It does always seem to be full of middle class types when I pop in for a chocolate sundae. Still a bit sad like." There's a reason their clothing range is loss making - if it's aiming at the middle class housewives, then it's missing its target audience! The clothing is about 25 years out of date. Do you enjoy your middle class chocolate sundaes Lionel?! | |||
"the fault in my opinion partly rests with the councils, to vistit my home town to shop in a car costs around £3.00 an hour, and thats if you can get a space, they have closed most of the carparks and sold them for huge sums for developmant, and the less revenue they make from parking the prices go up more, why go to town when you can shop from your sofa It's very easy to blame councils but the reality is that councils have been funded less and less each year and expected to deliver more and more. In order to do that they have no alternative but to capitalise on anything they have to make money in order to keep frontline services up and running. Councils were told "do whatever you need to do to get Covid under control, we'll cover the costs" but money still hasn't been forthcoming from central government - my local council is still waiting for the £60M they've lost, and are having to lay people off. Central government take the cash, local government take the flack. so why does my concil tax go up at double inflation every year, in my town alone they have over 10 huge buildings, granted they run all of hants from here, but the amount of staff they employ is ridiculus, and try to get them to do anything, good luck with that, but be a week late with your council tax and you will have ballifs knocking on your door, usless arseholes the lot of them, and most are still on furlow, and getting paid very well, while everyone else has to go back to work or loose thier homes, if you dont believe me, look into it, its not hard, the wastage is unbelievable" If the funding is getting cut how else can they afford to raise money? I've got a friend who works for lpool council..he has worked all the way though. Bin men..care home staff .all council workers. | |||
"the fault in my opinion partly rests with the councils, to vistit my home town to shop in a car costs around £3.00 an hour, and thats if you can get a space, they have closed most of the carparks and sold them for huge sums for developmant, and the less revenue they make from parking the prices go up more, why go to town when you can shop from your sofa It's very easy to blame councils but the reality is that councils have been funded less and less each year and expected to deliver more and more. In order to do that they have no alternative but to capitalise on anything they have to make money in order to keep frontline services up and running. Councils were told "do whatever you need to do to get Covid under control, we'll cover the costs" but money still hasn't been forthcoming from central government - my local council is still waiting for the £60M they've lost, and are having to lay people off. Central government take the cash, local government take the flack. so why does my concil tax go up at double inflation every year, in my town alone they have over 10 huge buildings, granted they run all of hants from here, but the amount of staff they employ is ridiculus, and try to get them to do anything, good luck with that, but be a week late with your council tax and you will have ballifs knocking on your door, usless arseholes the lot of them, and most are still on furlow, and getting paid very well, while everyone else has to go back to work or loose thier homes, if you dont believe me, look into it, its not hard, the wastage is unbelievable" All council tax increases are limited to 3% but can raise it to 5% as long as the extra 2% is spent on local care services. | |||
"I used to do a lot of work clothes shopping at M&S maybe 15 - 20 years ago, including their shoes which seemed to fit well and more importantly last well and I didn't mind paying that little bit more for those reasons. I then found they either stopped doing the clothes I liked, or in some cases, the quality didn't seem to be as good. I then went shopping elsewhere & can't recall the last clothing I bought there. I've still used their food store now & then, and homewares, especially at Christmas for gifts. They certainly haven't moved with the times. Sad to see the job losses, but presume they may have a following for those shopping online. I thought they brought in someone to revamp the clothing section a few years ago? It has always catered for that survabon middle class housewife look. Is suburban care home a fashion thing, because that's mainly the clothing demographic, in my view. Housewives 30 years ago, maybe? It does always seem to be full of middle class types when I pop in for a chocolate sundae. Still a bit sad like. There's a reason their clothing range is loss making - if it's aiming at the middle class housewives, then it's missing its target audience! The clothing is about 25 years out of date. Do you enjoy your middle class chocolate sundaes Lionel?! "But didnt they bring someone in a few years ago to modernise it? Triple chocolate sundaes.. highly recommended  | |||
"I used to do a lot of work clothes shopping at M&S maybe 15 - 20 years ago, including their shoes which seemed to fit well and more importantly last well and I didn't mind paying that little bit more for those reasons. I then found they either stopped doing the clothes I liked, or in some cases, the quality didn't seem to be as good. I then went shopping elsewhere & can't recall the last clothing I bought there. I've still used their food store now & then, and homewares, especially at Christmas for gifts. They certainly haven't moved with the times. Sad to see the job losses, but presume they may have a following for those shopping online. I thought they brought in someone to revamp the clothing section a few years ago? It has always catered for that survabon middle class housewife look. Is suburban care home a fashion thing, because that's mainly the clothing demographic, in my view. Housewives 30 years ago, maybe? It does always seem to be full of middle class types when I pop in for a chocolate sundae. Still a bit sad like. There's a reason their clothing range is loss making - if it's aiming at the middle class housewives, then it's missing its target audience! The clothing is about 25 years out of date. Do you enjoy your middle class chocolate sundaes Lionel?!
But didnt they bring someone in a few years ago to modernise it?
Triple chocolate sundaes.. highly recommended "Yes, the modernisation person took their Victorian fashions, as seen on the original Marks and Spencer penny bazaar, and upgraded them to circa 1982. Still a few decades behind the times. My Granny worked for M&S for 25yrs, so we used to get all sorts of treats off the staff trolley. She loved M&S and was very loyal, it'd upset her to see it like it is now 
Oh, and the scones in the cafe are also pretty good | |||
"Only ever shopped in M&S once, about 30 years ago. Put about £100 worth of clothes into my trolley and went to pay.. £100 pounds please. Gave the woman my Visa credit card.. Ohh no we don't accept that, the snotty bitch looked me like I was a lepper or something, you can apply for a store card.. Errm no thanks, I'll shop elsewhere, bye. I left the stuff on the counter, my trolley where it was and walked out.. Never set foot in an M&S since.. It's never adapted to what buyers actually want. 1) It's taken Visa credit and debit for my entire adult life, which I'd say is a reasonable time frame 2) The store assistant at the time didn't make the rules, so saying she was a snotty bitch is a bit much M&S can be criticised for many reasons, but not taking Visa isn't one of them. Lots of shops didn't take cards 30+ years ago when they were far less widespread. " As I've stated it didn't when I presented mine.. I'd guess it was about 1988.. She was, as it was the way she said it at the time, which was a direct contribution to my reaction.. You weren't there and I was.. I'm not bothered if they shut or stay open, I won't shop there. | |||
"Only ever shopped in M&S once, about 30 years ago. Put about £100 worth of clothes into my trolley and went to pay.. £100 pounds please. Gave the woman my Visa credit card.. Ohh no we don't accept that, the snotty bitch looked me like I was a lepper or something, you can apply for a store card.. Errm no thanks, I'll shop elsewhere, bye. I left the stuff on the counter, my trolley where it was and walked out.. Never set foot in an M&S since.. It's never adapted to what buyers actually want. 1) It's taken Visa credit and debit for my entire adult life, which I'd say is a reasonable time frame 2) The store assistant at the time didn't make the rules, so saying she was a snotty bitch is a bit much M&S can be criticised for many reasons, but not taking Visa isn't one of them. Lots of shops didn't take cards 30+ years ago when they were far less widespread. As I've stated it didn't when I presented mine.. I'd guess it was about 1988.. She was, as it was the way she said it at the time, which was a direct contribution to my reaction.. You weren't there and I was.. I'm not bothered if they shut or stay open, I won't shop there. " . I think you missed the point. You can't use M&S in 1988 as being representative of now. Lots of shops didn't take plastic back then, not just M&S, for example. Did you know most places in Netherlands still don't take Visa, for example? Yes, be critical of M&S, but at least be critical of it as it is today, not 30yrs ago. It is unrecognisable from the late 80s and I've spent a lot of time in M&S stores, thanks to my Granny who worked there. | |||
"All part of the plan by Chinese unleash a deadly disease to bring down the big businesses all round the world then when they are on there knees buy them at a riducious low price. All part of the plan by Chinese for world domination " What utter bull shit | |||
"I used to do a lot of work clothes shopping at M&S maybe 15 - 20 years ago, including their shoes which seemed to fit well and more importantly last well and I didn't mind paying that little bit more for those reasons. I then found they either stopped doing the clothes I liked, or in some cases, the quality didn't seem to be as good. I then went shopping elsewhere & can't recall the last clothing I bought there. I've still used their food store now & then, and homewares, especially at Christmas for gifts. They certainly haven't moved with the times. Sad to see the job losses, but presume they may have a following for those shopping online. I thought they brought in someone to revamp the clothing section a few years ago? It has always catered for that survabon middle class housewife look. Is suburban care home a fashion thing, because that's mainly the clothing demographic, in my view. Housewives 30 years ago, maybe? It does always seem to be full of middle class types when I pop in for a chocolate sundae. Still a bit sad like. There's a reason their clothing range is loss making - if it's aiming at the middle class housewives, then it's missing its target audience! The clothing is about 25 years out of date. Do you enjoy your middle class chocolate sundaes Lionel?!
But didnt they bring someone in a few years ago to modernise it?
Triple chocolate sundaes.. highly recommended
Yes, the modernisation person took their Victorian fashions, as seen on the original Marks and Spencer penny bazaar, and upgraded them to circa 1982. Still a few decades behind the times.
My Granny worked for M&S for 25yrs, so we used to get all sorts of treats off the staff trolley. She loved M&S and was very loyal, it'd upset her to see it like it is now
Oh, and the scones in the cafe are also pretty good "
The latest 1940s fashions.
They are very keen on beige...I've noticed.
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"Only ever shopped in M&S once, about 30 years ago. Put about £100 worth of clothes into my trolley and went to pay.. £100 pounds please. Gave the woman my Visa credit card.. Ohh no we don't accept that, the snotty bitch looked me like I was a lepper or something, you can apply for a store card.. Errm no thanks, I'll shop elsewhere, bye. I left the stuff on the counter, my trolley where it was and walked out.. Never set foot in an M&S since.. It's never adapted to what buyers actually want. 1) It's taken Visa credit and debit for my entire adult life, which I'd say is a reasonable time frame 2) The store assistant at the time didn't make the rules, so saying she was a snotty bitch is a bit much M&S can be criticised for many reasons, but not taking Visa isn't one of them. Lots of shops didn't take cards 30+ years ago when they were far less widespread. As I've stated it didn't when I presented mine.. I'd guess it was about 1988.. She was, as it was the way she said it at the time, which was a direct contribution to my reaction.. You weren't there and I was.. I'm not bothered if they shut or stay open, I won't shop there. . I think you missed the point. You can't use M&S in 1988 as being representative of now. Lots of shops didn't take plastic back then, not just M&S, for example. Did you know most places in Netherlands still don't take Visa, for example? Yes, be critical of M&S, but at least be critical of it as it is today, not 30yrs ago. It is unrecognisable from the late 80s and I've spent a lot of time in M&S stores, thanks to my Granny who worked there. " Some grudge that tbf | |||
" It has always catered for that survabon middle class housewife look. Is suburban care home a fashion thing, because that's mainly the clothing demographic, in my view. Housewives 30 years ago, maybe? It does always seem to be full of middle class types when I pop in for a chocolate sundae. Still a bit sad like. There's a reason their clothing range is loss making - if it's aiming at the middle class housewives, then it's missing its target audience! The clothing is about 25 years out of date. Do you enjoy your middle class chocolate sundaes Lionel?!
But didnt they bring someone in a few years ago to modernise it?
Triple chocolate sundaes.. highly recommended
Yes, the modernisation person took their Victorian fashions, as seen on the original Marks and Spencer penny bazaar, and upgraded them to circa 1982. Still a few decades behind the times.
My Granny worked for M&S for 25yrs, so we used to get all sorts of treats off the staff trolley. She loved M&S and was very loyal, it'd upset her to see it like it is now
Oh, and the scones in the cafe are also pretty good
The latest 1940s fashions.
They are very keen on beige...I've noticed.
"Yes, the beige stuff is right next to the utility stuff, fashioned out of parachute silk and your Gran's old jumper | |||
" It has always catered for that survabon middle class housewife look. Is suburban care home a fashion thing, because that's mainly the clothing demographic, in my view. Housewives 30 years ago, maybe? It does always seem to be full of middle class types when I pop in for a chocolate sundae. Still a bit sad like. There's a reason their clothing range is loss making - if it's aiming at the middle class housewives, then it's missing its target audience! The clothing is about 25 years out of date. Do you enjoy your middle class chocolate sundaes Lionel?!
But didnt they bring someone in a few years ago to modernise it?
Triple chocolate sundaes.. highly recommended
Yes, the modernisation person took their Victorian fashions, as seen on the original Marks and Spencer penny bazaar, and upgraded them to circa 1982. Still a few decades behind the times.
My Granny worked for M&S for 25yrs, so we used to get all sorts of treats off the staff trolley. She loved M&S and was very loyal, it'd upset her to see it like it is now
Oh, and the scones in the cafe are also pretty good
The latest 1940s fashions.
They are very keen on beige...I've noticed.
Yes, the beige stuff is right next to the utility stuff, fashioned out of parachute silk and your Gran's old jumper "Ha ha..I'll be wearing that clobber in about 10 years time. I think I bought a tie in their once..it was the only place you could buy a non skinny tie | |||
" It has always catered for that survabon middle class housewife look. Is suburban care home a fashion thing, because that's mainly the clothing demographic, in my view. Housewives 30 years ago, maybe? It does always seem to be full of middle class types when I pop in for a chocolate sundae. Still a bit sad like. There's a reason their clothing range is loss making - if it's aiming at the middle class housewives, then it's missing its target audience! The clothing is about 25 years out of date. Do you enjoy your middle class chocolate sundaes Lionel?!
But didnt they bring someone in a few years ago to modernise it?
Triple chocolate sundaes.. highly recommended
Yes, the modernisation person took their Victorian fashions, as seen on the original Marks and Spencer penny bazaar, and upgraded them to circa 1982. Still a few decades behind the times.
My Granny worked for M&S for 25yrs, so we used to get all sorts of treats off the staff trolley. She loved M&S and was very loyal, it'd upset her to see it like it is now
Oh, and the scones in the cafe are also pretty good
The latest 1940s fashions.
They are very keen on beige...I've noticed.
Yes, the beige stuff is right next to the utility stuff, fashioned out of parachute silk and your Gran's old jumper
Ha ha..I'll be wearing that clobber in about 10 years time.
I think I bought a tie in their once..it was the only place you could buy a non skinny tie "Was the tie made out of parachute silk?  | |||
" It has always catered for that survabon middle class housewife look. Is suburban care home a fashion thing, because that's mainly the clothing demographic, in my view. Housewives 30 years ago, maybe? It does always seem to be full of middle class types when I pop in for a chocolate sundae. Still a bit sad like. There's a reason their clothing range is loss making - if it's aiming at the middle class housewives, then it's missing its target audience! The clothing is about 25 years out of date. Do you enjoy your middle class chocolate sundaes Lionel?!
But didnt they bring someone in a few years ago to modernise it?
Triple chocolate sundaes.. highly recommended
Yes, the modernisation person took their Victorian fashions, as seen on the original Marks and Spencer penny bazaar, and upgraded them to circa 1982. Still a few decades behind the times.
My Granny worked for M&S for 25yrs, so we used to get all sorts of treats off the staff trolley. She loved M&S and was very loyal, it'd upset her to see it like it is now
Oh, and the scones in the cafe are also pretty good
The latest 1940s fashions.
They are very keen on beige...I've noticed.
Yes, the beige stuff is right next to the utility stuff, fashioned out of parachute silk and your Gran's old jumper
Ha ha..I'll be wearing that clobber in about 10 years time.
I think I bought a tie in their once..it was the only place you could buy a non skinny tie
Was the tie made out of parachute silk? "No it was actually good quality and it 1 of my fave ties tbh. I'll have to check out their slipper range next time I'm in. | |||
" It has always catered for that survabon middle class housewife look. Is suburban care home a fashion thing, because that's mainly the clothing demographic, in my view. Housewives 30 years ago, maybe? It does always seem to be full of middle class types when I pop in for a chocolate sundae. Still a bit sad like. There's a reason their clothing range is loss making - if it's aiming at the middle class housewives, then it's missing its target audience! The clothing is about 25 years out of date. Do you enjoy your middle class chocolate sundaes Lionel?!
But didnt they bring someone in a few years ago to modernise it?
Triple chocolate sundaes.. highly recommended
Yes, the modernisation person took their Victorian fashions, as seen on the original Marks and Spencer penny bazaar, and upgraded them to circa 1982. Still a few decades behind the times.
My Granny worked for M&S for 25yrs, so we used to get all sorts of treats off the staff trolley. She loved M&S and was very loyal, it'd upset her to see it like it is now
Oh, and the scones in the cafe are also pretty good
The latest 1940s fashions.
They are very keen on beige...I've noticed.
Yes, the beige stuff is right next to the utility stuff, fashioned out of parachute silk and your Gran's old jumper
Ha ha..I'll be wearing that clobber in about 10 years time.
I think I bought a tie in their once..it was the only place you could buy a non skinny tie
Was the tie made out of parachute silk?
No it was actually good quality and it 1 of my fave ties tbh.
I'll have to check out their slipper range next time I'm in."You can get matching pipes to go with the slippers Lionel | |||
" so why does my concil tax go up at double inflation every year, in my town alone they have over 10 huge buildings, granted they run all of hants from here, but the amount of staff they employ is ridiculus, and try to get them to do anything, good luck with that, but be a week late with your council tax and you will have ballifs knocking on your door, usless arseholes the lot of them, and most are still on furlow, and getting paid very well, while everyone else has to go back to work or loose thier homes, if you dont believe me, look into it, its not hard, the wastage is unbelievable" Nothing to look into mate, you're way off target. Councils have been making staff redundant for years because they have had cuts imposed on them by central government, whilst having additional responsibilities put on them. Councils do NOT get to keep the council tax they collect - it goes to central government, who give some of it back. That portion has shrunk every year for at least 5 years now. Bailiffs do not knock on your door if you're a week late with your council tax. Hardly any council employees have been on furlow - they've worked all the way through. The ones who can't because of covid closures have been redeployed into other parts of the council to keep frontline services running. | |||
" It has always catered for that survabon middle class housewife look. Is suburban care home a fashion thing, because that's mainly the clothing demographic, in my view. Housewives 30 years ago, maybe? It does always seem to be full of middle class types when I pop in for a chocolate sundae. Still a bit sad like. There's a reason their clothing range is loss making - if it's aiming at the middle class housewives, then it's missing its target audience! The clothing is about 25 years out of date. Do you enjoy your middle class chocolate sundaes Lionel?!
But didnt they bring someone in a few years ago to modernise it?
Triple chocolate sundaes.. highly recommended
Yes, the modernisation person took their Victorian fashions, as seen on the original Marks and Spencer penny bazaar, and upgraded them to circa 1982. Still a few decades behind the times.
My Granny worked for M&S for 25yrs, so we used to get all sorts of treats off the staff trolley. She loved M&S and was very loyal, it'd upset her to see it like it is now
Oh, and the scones in the cafe are also pretty good
The latest 1940s fashions.
They are very keen on beige...I've noticed.
Yes, the beige stuff is right next to the utility stuff, fashioned out of parachute silk and your Gran's old jumper
Ha ha..I'll be wearing that clobber in about 10 years time.
I think I bought a tie in their once..it was the only place you could buy a non skinny tie
Was the tie made out of parachute silk?
No it was actually good quality and it 1 of my fave ties tbh.
I'll have to check out their slipper range next time I'm in.
You can get matching pipes to go with the slippers Lionel "Rock and roll | |||
" so why does my concil tax go up at double inflation every year, in my town alone they have over 10 huge buildings, granted they run all of hants from here, but the amount of staff they employ is ridiculus, and try to get them to do anything, good luck with that, but be a week late with your council tax and you will have ballifs knocking on your door, usless arseholes the lot of them, and most are still on furlow, and getting paid very well, while everyone else has to go back to work or loose thier homes, if you dont believe me, look into it, its not hard, the wastage is unbelievable Nothing to look into mate, you're way off target. Councils have been making staff redundant for years because they have had cuts imposed on them by central government, whilst having additional responsibilities put on them. Councils do NOT get to keep the council tax they collect - it goes to central government, who give some of it back. That portion has shrunk every year for at least 5 years now. Bailiffs do not knock on your door if you're a week late with your council tax. Hardly any council employees have been on furlow - they've worked all the way through. The ones who can't because of covid closures have been redeployed into other parts of the council to keep frontline services running." But apart from that he was spot on | |||
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"M&S has been teetering on the brink for years and years..... This.. They've not kept up with so-called fashion trends, which don't get me wrong are not the best thing for both the environment and working conditions for those making the throw away stuff which sells.. On top of that some of what they were very good at, the basics have dropped off in quality.. They still do some of the best underwear." I agree | |||
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"Ok heres a strange thought for discussion, you lose your job and claim benefits, you are then told you must apply for jobs lots of jobs, then you are told you must apply for a carers job even through you have no experience And if you don't you get sanctioned, there is a massive shortage of carers so the government will do anything to sort that problem, so unskilled retail workers losing there jobs and being forced to work as carer in the social care sector would fit the government's plans... Yes conspiracy hat on DISCUSS " In other words re-train redundant workers so that they can apply for jobs that are available in the future ? create new careers. | |||
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"Only ever shopped in M&S once, about 30 years ago. Put about £100 worth of clothes into my trolley and went to pay.. £100 pounds please. Gave the woman my Visa credit card.. Ohh no we don't accept that, the snotty bitch looked me like I was a lepper or something, you can apply for a store card.. Errm no thanks, I'll shop elsewhere, bye. I left the stuff on the counter, my trolley where it was and walked out.. Never set foot in an M&S since.. It's never adapted to what buyers actually want. 1) It's taken Visa credit and debit for my entire adult life, which I'd say is a reasonable time frame 2) The store assistant at the time didn't make the rules, so saying she was a snotty bitch is a bit much M&S can be criticised for many reasons, but not taking Visa isn't one of them. Lots of shops didn't take cards 30+ years ago when they were far less widespread. As I've stated it didn't when I presented mine.. I'd guess it was about 1988.. She was, as it was the way she said it at the time, which was a direct contribution to my reaction.. You weren't there and I was.. I'm not bothered if they shut or stay open, I won't shop there. . I think you missed the point. You can't use M&S in 1988 as being representative of now. Lots of shops didn't take plastic back then, not just M&S, for example. Did you know most places in Netherlands still don't take Visa, for example? Yes, be critical of M&S, but at least be critical of it as it is today, not 30yrs ago. It is unrecognisable from the late 80s and I've spent a lot of time in M&S stores, thanks to my Granny who worked there. Some grudge that tbf" It's the same now as it was 35 years ago, granny and grandad clothes, over priced for the "shopping experience" As you said, your granny worked there.. Piss me off and I walk, plenty of other places to spend my money, home and abroad.. It's taken 35 or so years, but it'll close completely within another 2 maximum The end of missfits and shoddy | |||
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"If they do shut down completely, could C&A PLEASE come back? We miss you!" Thats a blast from the past I loved C&A | |||
"Only ever shopped in M&S once, about 30 years ago. Put about £100 worth of clothes into my trolley and went to pay.. £100 pounds please. Gave the woman my Visa credit card.. Ohh no we don't accept that, the snotty bitch looked me like I was a lepper or something, you can apply for a store card.. Errm no thanks, I'll shop elsewhere, bye. I left the stuff on the counter, my trolley where it was and walked out.. Never set foot in an M&S since.. It's never adapted to what buyers actually want. 1) It's taken Visa credit and debit for my entire adult life, which I'd say is a reasonable time frame 2) The store assistant at the time didn't make the rules, so saying she was a snotty bitch is a bit much M&S can be criticised for many reasons, but not taking Visa isn't one of them. Lots of shops didn't take cards 30+ years ago when they were far less widespread. As I've stated it didn't when I presented mine.. I'd guess it was about 1988.. She was, as it was the way she said it at the time, which was a direct contribution to my reaction.. You weren't there and I was.. I'm not bothered if they shut or stay open, I won't shop there. . I think you missed the point. You can't use M&S in 1988 as being representative of now. Lots of shops didn't take plastic back then, not just M&S, for example. Did you know most places in Netherlands still don't take Visa, for example? Yes, be critical of M&S, but at least be critical of it as it is today, not 30yrs ago. It is unrecognisable from the late 80s and I've spent a lot of time in M&S stores, thanks to my Granny who worked there. Some grudge that tbf It's the same now as it was 35 years ago, granny and grandad clothes, over priced for the "shopping experience" As you said, your granny worked there.. Piss me off and I walk, plenty of other places to spend my money, home and abroad.. It's taken 35 or so years, but it'll close completely within another 2 maximum The end of missfits and shoddy "I like Marks & Spencers, i like their underwear, it's a reasonable price, looks great, washes and wears well. I am a granny though, have been for 8 years so i guess I'm suited to it | |||
"M&S has been loosing the plot. Some of the bigger stores are fine, but my local town for example food choice is awful and very samey, lack of count on us range as well The clothes section is a bit meh, and most times you go in and get told order online anyway. " Some of the smaller stores outsell more than a few bigger stores together in the Food Hall's which has kept M&S going for over a decade now. The high street will never be the same after this. | |||
"If they do shut down completely, could C&A PLEASE come back? We miss you! Thats a blast from the past I loved C&A "They’re still on the continent | |||
"I feel abit sad about the workers, the news comes after the sales have gone down since covid, but I am not so sure it is just down to covid as it might of been going down before it, but more so now, what is your view of it, what is the reason?" Let's all just stay home and collect furlow, keep kids home, inflict stupid rules on retail stores and watch the economy tank to bankruptsie. This is exactly whats happening in front of our eyes. | |||
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"The pandemic has hastened the end of the High Street & department stores as they were. They were struggling anyway so the pandemic has brought the Inevitable closer. M&S, Debenhams, John Lewis, House of Fraser etc have all shed jobs and closed stores. People’s buying habits have changed and the concept of a department store as we know it is outdated. I feel desperately sorry for those that have lost their jobs but their employers, particularly M&S haven’t adapted and their business model is outdated." It's not the business module which is outdated it's Joe public's shopping trends, we want internet prices at high street standards the retailers have no chance while the public want rock bottom prices online. | |||
"The pandemic has hastened the end of the High Street & department stores as they were. They were struggling anyway so the pandemic has brought the Inevitable closer. M&S, Debenhams, John Lewis, House of Fraser etc have all shed jobs and closed stores. People’s buying habits have changed and the concept of a department store as we know it is outdated. I feel desperately sorry for those that have lost their jobs but their employers, particularly M&S haven’t adapted and their business model is outdated. It's not the business module which is outdated it's Joe public's shopping trends, we want internet prices at high street standards the retailers have no chance while the public want rock bottom prices online." Your business model is wrong if it doesn’t allow for lower footfall caused by people’s changing buying habits. | |||
"the fault in my opinion partly rests with the councils, to vistit my home town to shop in a car costs around £3.00 an hour, and thats if you can get a space, they have closed most of the carparks and sold them for huge sums for developmant, and the less revenue they make from parking the prices go up more, why go to town when you can shop from your sofa for the same price or lower, the other problem is that alot of the big chains, havnt kept up with the times, its a real shame, our town centre used to be heaving most days of the week, now its all but empty, yes you can blame amazon etc, but they were the smart ones and saw the change coming and acted on it, my worry is what will happen when all the high streets are compleatly gone, then the online retailers will have us all over a barrel, prices only stay low with compatition, if there is none then ??? but the other problem is us, we are all in efect lazy, and would rather shop online, or worse go to a shop and look at verious items to choose what you want, then go home and order it online, so we must all take some of the blame, the virus has just sped things up a bit, it was going to happen anyway. my other worry is, if nobody is working and paying tax, how will the gov fund all the benifits required for all those now out of work but cant get a new job, we are looking at hard times ahead, possible that it will be worse than its ever been. Anyway thats my 2 pence worth Those who are in work are going to be paying for all this that’s for sure problem if not enough people are working, then taxs will have to rise, i remember in the early 70s the higher rate tax was around 80%. my dad was in that bracket, so used to work until he had reached that threshold, then not bother working for the rest of the month, who wants to earn 20% of what you have worked for? most others did the same, net result, taxes collected actually went down as a result" This is, as economists would say, bollocks. In 1964 NI and general xax were 12.3Bn, about 36% of GDP. In 1977 they were 51.6Bn, or 33.9% of GDP. Throughout the period 1964 to 1983 receipts from Income Tax grew year on year (partly as a result of inflation - fele free to go away and do the inflation adjusted numbers) but the proportion of GDP taken by them was remarkably stable in a range from 31.6% to 35%. The peak year for tax and NI as a proportion of GDP was 1984-85, when it was 37.6%, and a certain M Thatcher was in power. | |||
"M&S has been teetering on the brink for years and years..... This.. They've not kept up with so-called fashion trends, which don't get me wrong are not the best thing for both the environment and working conditions for those making the throw away stuff which sells.. On top of that some of what they were very good at, the basics have dropped off in quality.. They still do some of the best underwear."  | |||
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