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14,000 redundancy

By *orkiecpl OP Couple over a year ago

York

Debenhams is going bust due to this extended lockdown we are all living through, 14,000 people have lost they Jobs and it will affect other companies who supply them meaning more job lost. John lewis is shutting it's massive store in Birmingham too more job losses. Current covid deaths is 41,000, jobs lost nearly 100,000, it seems the medicine ( lockdown) is worse than covid , the economy is screwed for a generation, Sweden took the right course

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Debenhams is going bust due to this extended lockdown we are all living through, 14,000 people have lost they Jobs and it will affect other companies who supply them meaning more job lost. John lewis is shutting it's massive store in Birmingham too more job losses. Current covid deaths is 41,000, jobs lost nearly 100,000, it seems the medicine ( lockdown) is worse than covid , the economy is screwed for a generation, Sweden took the right course "

Being made redundant is horrible, but get some perspective, looking for a job VS death. Pretty sure I know what's worse.

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By *otsMan over a year ago

Higham

People need stop going to the beach then and crowding pubs simple.

So selfish

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Deb's was going bust just a case off when

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings

Also do you think bigger shops where on there way out anyway Debanams has had problems for a long time this pandemic has just speeded up what was enevetable due to on line shopping.

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By *ohn n jodieCouple (MM) over a year ago

warrington

Non social distancing, crowding beaches, illegal raves, blatant disreguard for face mask usage , your playing russian roulette with lives , and the annoying thing is those who ignore the rules wont be the ones who die ! It will be the elderly and people with underlying health issues that they will pass the virus onto who lose the lives !! PEOPLE THINK ABOUT WHAT YOUR DOING !!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Debenhams has been in trouble for years as have alot of retail shops the covid was just one last hurdle ...i think we will see the fall of many more yet sad times

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How can people not see the shit storm that is coming with the economy and jobs.

People keep saying health before wealth.

Tell that to the millions who are going to be destitute because of this.

How arethey going to find a job if there aren't any to find.

Howare they going to pay their mortgage.

Where will they live if they lose their house with the shortage in social housing.

5 people jumped off bridges up here in Newcastle this week alone .

This is just the start.

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By *hitehunter4bbcMan over a year ago

Bristol

Pisses me off that big stores say they make a loss in hard times but are still turning over millions ,there are good and bad times and you earn money and lose money in life .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This has nothing to do with COVID , they have been losing money for years , you cannot Blame COVID for everything

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By *eilde HoarWoman over a year ago

In a wax coated bubble

The dragons den Touker Suleyman did a bbc interview in April and he said that whats happening now with shops was predicted for happening in the next 5 years anyway, covid just forced everyone to shop online earlier, look at argos going into sainsburys. How many argos warehouse stores are they going to reopen if they can keep it inhouse

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman over a year ago

little old town of Reading!

"Pisses me off that big stores say they make a loss in hard times but are still turning over millions ,there are good and bad times and you earn money and lose money in life ."

So the Great Depression heading our way is all okay then?! Some you win, some you lose right??

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman over a year ago

little old town of Reading!

"This has nothing to do with COVID , they have been losing money for years , you cannot Blame COVID for everything "

You don’t think that shutting down the entire country and placing pretty much everyone into financial turmoil and chaos had even a little bit of effect on people’s spending habits then? Not even a smidgen of fault can be laid at the door of the governments handling of the Rona?

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By *hitehunter4bbcMan over a year ago

Bristol

"This has nothing to do with COVID , they have been losing money for years , you cannot Blame COVID for everything

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman over a year ago

little old town of Reading!

"This has nothing to do with COVID , they have been losing money for years , you cannot Blame COVID for everything

Yeah? What’s that got to do with anything?

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings

May be we should just go back to normal and let people now decide for them selves.

I for one won't go back to normal any time soon. So let everything open sporting events, theaters, night clubs, swinging clubs, and let people take the risk if they want to it might stay empty any way. So would not be viable. But should the NHS pick up the mess if it gets really bad?

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman over a year ago

little old town of Reading!

"May be we should just go back to normal and let people now decide for them selves.

You are talking about the very economy that pays for the nhs. Like it or not, you can’t have one without the other.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"May be we should just go back to normal and let people now decide for them selves.

You are talking about the very economy that pays for the nhs. Like it or not, you can’t have one without the other."

And you don't have an economy if people are dead.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings

"May be we should just go back to normal and let people now decide for them selves.

You are talking about the very economy that pays for the nhs. Like it or not, you can’t have one without the other."

Don't know persetages of GDPR and how much comes from each sector of the economy but I for 1 will not be doing anything to put me or people around me at risk.

So would you also open up world wide travel as travel must be a large part of income. When I use to work in London theatres a lot of the audience where tourists?

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman over a year ago

little old town of Reading!

"May be we should just go back to normal and let people now decide for them selves.

You are talking about the very economy that pays for the nhs. Like it or not, you can’t have one without the other.

Don't know persetages of GDPR and how much comes from each sector of the economy but I for 1 will not be doing anything to put me or people around me at risk.

So would you also open up world wide travel as travel must be a large part of income. When I use to work in London theatres a lot of the audience where tourists?"

I will also not people at risk- I followed the lockdown rules and I wear a mask in the shops. That’s not to say I’m not going to keep questioning the acts of our bumbling government though.

As for travel.... I’ve never understood why we were bringing people back from China at the start of the year, when they were in quarrentine and we weren’t yet. That was the biggest outrage for me - we didn’t close our borders. Spain and Italy were both suffering terrible deaths and people were flying in and out up until the very last minute! I can’t believe what a balls up happened at the beginning of this virus. But yeah- cut an old T-shirt up, stick it on your face and we’ll all be fine!!!

Sorry- went off on one there!! If we could use the testing system on incoming and outgoing passengers that sage suggested we do TWO MONTHS ago....... perhaps we could have started seeing a road to recovery. At the moment, I wouldn’t trust this government to look after a goldfish, let alone an entire country.

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman over a year ago

little old town of Reading!

I will not put people at risk, that should have said.

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

debenhams was going under covid or no covid.was just a question of when not if.

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By *orkiecpl OP Couple over a year ago

York

Thats where new zealand got it right NO foreign travel No extra people allowed into new zealand, in essence shut there borders cut them selves off from the rest of the world, new zealand has one of the lowest numbers of cases and deaths anywhere in the world, however they only went into a country wide lockdown for a small period of time and then fully re opened they internal economy, which has limited the negative impact of they lockdown, the uk should of shut its borders from the moment we went into lockdown and should of kept them shut till the end of 2020 ,concentrate on uk keep everyone else out, till we where certain covid was over or vacination found

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings

I came back from India 9th of March expecting to have a long wait at immigration and have to have to isolate.

But nothing not even some one checking temperature or is there thermal imaging cameras I did not see. It was strate through as normal ? I was baffled but did not go back to work and staid home for a week to be safe.

But Yes To little to late.

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By *r_Jake70Man over a year ago

London

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings

But if we had locked down like NZ would we now be questioning as to why we had to do it as it was not that much of a problem..

Damed if you do damed if you don't??

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman over a year ago

little old town of Reading!

"But if we had locked down like NZ would we now be questioning as to why we had to do it as it was not that much of a problem..

Damed if you do damed if you don't??"

I think it would have been wise to close borders and quarantine people returning from high risk countries in March. I thought that at the time and continue to think that now. Others may disagree.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings

"But if we had locked down like NZ would we now be questioning as to why we had to do it as it was not that much of a problem..

Damed if you do damed if you don't??

I think it would have been wise to close borders and quarantine people returning from high risk countries in March. I thought that at the time and continue to think that now. Others may disagree.

No on this I do agree as stated I was expecting to but nothing at Gatwick 9th of March not even a note to explain symptoms.

So I just quarantined for a week as there was no guidance.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The redundancy figure since covid began is 740,000

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This has nothing to do with COVID , they have been losing money for years , you cannot Blame COVID for everything

Nope not at all look at primark are they closing stores down ? Nope , stores like Debenhams are way too overpriced people have the option now to google and buy online why waste money going to a store that charges you more money for the same item you can get delivered the next day for less ,

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By *limmatureguyMan over a year ago

Tonbridge

"May be we should just go back to normal and let people now decide for them selves.

You are talking about the very economy that pays for the nhs. Like it or not, you can’t have one without the other.

And you don't have an economy if people are dead."

You do if 99.9% of them are still alive after catching it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"This has nothing to do with COVID , they have been losing money for years , you cannot Blame COVID for everything

Haha primark .

Do some research on where they get their products.

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By *eavenNhellCouple over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

"Thats where new zealand got it right NO foreign travel No extra people allowed into new zealand, in essence shut there borders cut them selves off from the rest of the world, new zealand has one of the lowest numbers of cases and deaths anywhere in the world, however they only went into a country wide lockdown for a small period of time and then fully re opened they internal economy, which has limited the negative impact of they lockdown, the uk should of shut its borders from the moment we went into lockdown and should of kept them shut till the end of 2020 ,concentrate on uk keep everyone else out, till we where certain covid was over or vacination found "
close our borders u till end of 2020 and what would we have done for food ?

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings

I think we mean to people I don't know if food or parts can transmit covid ?

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman over a year ago

little old town of Reading!

"This has nothing to do with COVID , they have been losing money for years , you cannot Blame COVID for everything

I prefer to use companies that don’t have questionable attitudes to human rights or tax avoidance. If that means paying more for a t.shirt, then I’m absolutely okay with that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Pisses me off that big stores say they make a loss in hard times but are still turning over millions ,there are good and bad times and you earn money and lose money in life ."

So because they make millions in revenue but haven't turned profit for some time this is just one bad time? Debenhams was always going bust it was a case of longer they can go the higher chance they have of getting an investor to buy them and turn it around. The old days of big department stores are on the way out. Online is killing them.

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple over a year ago

Broadstairs

"How can people not see the shit storm that is coming with the economy and jobs.

People keep saying health before wealth.

Tell that to the millions who are going to be destitute because of this.

How arethey going to find a job if there aren't any to find.

Howare they going to pay their mortgage.

Where will they live if they lose their house with the shortage in social housing.

5 people jumped off bridges up here in Newcastle this week alone .

This is just the start."
Totally agree with you also all the other major illness such as cancer have all taken a back seat, a top cancer surgeon said they are only seeing half the diagnosis they would have expected SSince COVID

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By *limmatureguyMan over a year ago

Tonbridge

"I think we mean to people I don't know if food or parts can transmit covid ?"

Absolutely, because potatoes drive themselves to the uk.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"May be we should just go back to normal and let people now decide for them selves.

You are talking about the very economy that pays for the nhs. Like it or not, you can’t have one without the other.

And you don't have an economy if people are dead.

You do if 99.9% of them are still alive after catching it."

Glad to see that you value money over the lives of those unfortunate enough to die, how about those who live but are left with lifelong issues? Even with the lockdown, we are a very long way from the NHS disappearing due to lack of funds. If people stopped trying to find loopholes or ignoring the advice or in some cases laws. Then we would end up in a much better place much quicker and could restart more of the economy much more safely. But unfortunately we have a country filled with selfish people who are not prepared to make any compromise to any part of their life for any period or of time. We are now reaping the benefits of that me me me attitude.

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By *bsolutebeginnersCouple over a year ago

Planet Ork

"This has nothing to do with COVID , they have been losing money for years , you cannot Blame COVID for everything

Primark don’t sell online though, they want you to go into the store so that you end up buying other stuff that you didn’t go in for.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Pisses me off that big stores say they make a loss in hard times but are still turning over millions ,there are good and bad times and you earn money and lose money in life .

Amazon nearly doubled the owners personal fortune

Tesco made over a billion in profit in the first 4 weeks of lockdown

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"May be we should just go back to normal and let people now decide for them selves.

You are talking about the very economy that pays for the nhs. Like it or not, you can’t have one without the other.

And you don't have an economy if people are dead.

You do if 99.9% of them are still alive after catching it.

The NHS are given 19% of the country’s tax that’s paid.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"May be we should just go back to normal and let people now decide for them selves.

You are talking about the very economy that pays for the nhs. Like it or not, you can’t have one without the other.

And you don't have an economy if people are dead.

You do if 99.9% of them are still alive after catching it.

'loopholes' basically means still trading within the law. So to stop companies using loopholes to pay less tax - which let's face it most of us would pay less if we could. The only option is to change the law which my guess is that's pretty complex. Also expect the prices of everything to go up. Companies who advertise will see their advertising costs increase as Google etc will have higher tax bills so they will just increase charge to small and large business to compensate. Then some of those companies who don't pay as much tax will then also further loose revenue so again expect higher costs or poorer quality product or lower wages to compensate. Its not a case of just getting companies to pay it will have an impact on those who depend on those companies such as advertisers or sellers.

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By *aughtyman001Man over a year ago

preston

Think retail had a big shake up online sales went mad busy

Why have loads of shops paying rent rent when u can have one warehouse sending stuff out

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

"This has nothing to do with COVID , they have been losing money for years , you cannot Blame COVID for everything

Haha primark .

Do some research on where they get their products. "

Everyone is well aware of where primark stuff comes from yet everytime u pass one the place is rammed.truth is debenhams was on its arse and has been even before lockdown.all covid has done is speeded up there closure by six months or so

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Think retail had a big shake up online sales went mad busy

Why have loads of shops paying rent rent when u can have one warehouse sending stuff out"

Exactly that. I think retail will stay strong in major cities Leeds London Birmingham etc because people like the experience. Smaller towns it will just die in favour of online and shopping more occasionally in big cities.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings

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By *os19Man over a year ago

Edmonton

Sadly the retail shops on the High Street have been struggling for a number of years now.Covid19 has probably just speeded up their demise.I hate to say this but the thing Covid19 has taught some business is they don’t need the High Street to survive Banks , Betting shops and fast food outlets all had websites that allowed you to go about your business.Offices and government depts staff were able to work from home and have skype meeting to keep in contact with everyone.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"May be we should just go back to normal and let people now decide for them selves.

You are talking about the very economy that pays for the nhs. Like it or not, you can’t have one without the other.

And you don't have an economy if people are dead.

You do if 99.9% of them are still alive after catching it.

Sorry, I think you have misinterpreted what I was meaning there. The loopholes I was referring to were with the rules that people are skirting round when it comes to the Covid lockdown etc rather than tax loopholes. Proper adherence to these would lead to the economy being able to open sooner, safer and wider, thus allowing a greater tax take.

With regards to tax avoidance, the tax system really needs a root and branch overhaul and simplification. This would leave less scope for companies to trade here yet manage to pay low or no taxes.

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By *ugbydadMan over a year ago

anywhere

Sweden may have taken a bold stance and it may well come out on top.

Unfortunately the high street has been in decline for many years. High rents, rates and parking issues along with the massive rise in online shopping add all nails in the coffin for traditional high street stores.

I fear it will get a lot worse over the years.

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By *est Wales WifeCouple over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

" the economy is screwed for a generation, Sweden took the right course "

Everything about the figures we have been given have been fraudulent and wrong. We will never know how many people were listed as Covid deaths in this country, whose true cause of death was something else.

The rules on classifying them were shockingly lax, and almost no post-mortems were held, so we can never check. But the Government was last week forced to admit that for some time its official death figures have been a wild overstatement of the facts.

Somehow this colossal event was pushed on to inside pages and way down BBC bulletins, the UK’s total death toll has been revised down from 46,706 to 41,329, a fall of 5,377. That, as you might have noticed, is an error of more than ten per cent, a huge admission.

They were forced into this by the brilliant forensic work of Professor Carl Heneghan and his brave colleagues at Oxford’s Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine, which showed that the previous figures were so loose that they could have included car-crash victims who once tested positive for Covid.

Even the fatuous Health Commissar Matt Hancock had to accept that for months, his department had been publishing bilge as if it was information.

There were an estimated 1000 excess deaths from suicide in the UK between 2008 and 2010 following the last economic crash. Similar rises occurred in many other countries, especially in Europe and North America. Other research has shown that areas of England experiencing the greatest rises in unemployment experienced the largest increases in the number of suicides.

The estimated increase in 1000 suicide deaths are likely to have been the tip of the iceberg of emotional distress, with possibly 30-40,000 additional suicide attempts during the first three years of the recession.

A recent government paper also shows that the lockdown also caused 2 extra deaths for every three Covid-19 deaths. Ultimately it is very likely that 'the cure' will cause more deaths than the pathogen.

No one seems bothered about these extra collateral deaths. Carry on killing folks.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings

" the economy is screwed for a generation, Sweden took the right course

Even the fatuous Health Commissar Matt Hancock had to accept that for months, his department had been publishing bilge as if it was information.

No one seems bothered about these extra collateral deaths. Carry on killing folks."

This is baced on the death total we have but what would it have been with out lock down if it was just the up would spiral.

Wife is an RMN working with people recovering from covid where some one has also lost a loved one and have servers guilt ptsd

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By *limmatureguyMan over a year ago

Tonbridge

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By *limmatureguyMan over a year ago

Tonbridge

" the economy is screwed for a generation, Sweden took the right course

Even the fatuous Health Commissar Matt Hancock had to accept that for months, his department had been publishing bilge as if it was information.

No one seems bothered about these extra collateral deaths. Carry on killing folks.

This is baced on the death total we have but what would it have been with out lock down if it was just the up would spiral.

Wife is an RMN working with people recovering from covid where some one has also lost a loved one and have servers guilt ptsd"

The study in The Lancet shows that the severity of the lockdown doesn't influence the death toll very much.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"May be we should just go back to normal and let people now decide for them selves.

You are talking about the very economy that pays for the nhs. Like it or not, you can’t have one without the other.

And you don't have an economy if people are dead."

If the mortality rate was 100% youd have a valid point.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings

" the economy is screwed for a generation, Sweden took the right course

Even the fatuous Health Commissar Matt Hancock had to accept that for months, his department had been publishing bilge as if it was information.

No one seems bothered about these extra collateral deaths. Carry on killing folks.

This is baced on the death total we have but what would it have been with out lock down if it was just the up would spiral.

Wife is an RMN working with people recovering from covid where some one has also lost a loved one and have servers guilt ptsd

The study in The Lancet shows that the severity of the lockdown doesn't influence the death toll very much."

So why did the death toll drop with lockdown or was that just a coincidence

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"May be we should just go back to normal and let people now decide for them selves.

You are talking about the very economy that pays for the nhs. Like it or not, you can’t have one without the other.

And you don't have an economy if people are dead.

If the mortality rate was 100% youd have a valid point."

It takes much less that 100% mortality rate. For example, if you go out as a couple to a restaurant, one of you gets Covid from there and dies, is the other person likely to go back to a restaurant again? Consumer confidence also has a huge impact on whether people will use services etc within the economy. Personally, I have seen enough people already breaking lockdown rules that I am not prepared to risk a meal out. Therefore I don't put money into the economy. The fact that so many people won't wear masks means that even when I am in the office, I have no faith that people have been responsible whilst out and about, so I wear a mask even when I don't "have" to.

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple over a year ago

Broadstairs

Actually just read that thousands more people will die of cancer after 2500,00 urgent hospital referrals Plunged during lockdown compared with last year , and that’s just one disease what about the rest ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Actually just read that thousands more people will die of cancer after 2500,00 urgent hospital referrals Plunged during lockdown compared with last year , and that’s just one disease what about the rest ? "

What would the death toll of Covid have been without the lockdown? I don't consider anyone as expendable, but we were faced with an impossible situation.

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple over a year ago

Broadstairs

What would the death toll of Covid have been without the lockdown? I don't consider anyone as expendable, but we were faced with an impossible situation."
What’s death toll going to be overwhelming with all the other thing people die of ? Also wrecked economy eventually meaning there be less to spend on NHS ,

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

What would the death toll of Covid have been without the lockdown? I don't consider anyone as expendable, but we were faced with an impossible situation. What’s death toll going to be overwhelming with all the other thing people die of ? Also wrecked economy eventually meaning there be less to spend on NHS , "

What was the excuse for the previous 8 years of under funding?

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings

"May be we should just go back to normal and let people now decide for them selves.

You are talking about the very economy that pays for the nhs. Like it or not, you can’t have one without the other.

And you don't have an economy if people are dead.

If the mortality rate was 100% youd have a valid point.

I'm on the same page mask for me 12 hour shift all but 30 min out to have lunch mask in shops from day 1 just in case did not need to be told it would help. Was condense in my book do we need to be told to use a glove when getting some thing hot out the oven

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings

What was the excuse for the previous 8 years of under funding?"
we did not want to pay for it

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings

we did not want to pay for it

Sorry the NHS will need it's own page

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By *ancs MinxWoman over a year ago

Burnley

"Debenhams has been in trouble for years as have alot of retail shops the covid was just one last hurdle ...i think we will see the fall of many more yet sad times"

Exactly

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A short term lockdown would not have been so devastating.

So you need to look at why our lockdown has been extended.

The daily infections tell us that our half hearted lockdown has not been effective enough to get us to a track, trace and isolate situation.

In my opinion it is the weak and indisciplined segment of the population who didn't have enough backbone to stay at home who have perpetuated the spread of this virus. The same people who are shouting the odds now.

To those frontline workers who HAD to go out, who slept in their vehicles instead of going home, I salute you. Sorry it was all for naught.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings

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By *ebjonnsonMan over a year ago

Maldon

"People need stop going to the beach then and crowding pubs simple.

So selfish"

And stop buying online.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings

"A short term lockdown would not have been so devastating.

So you need to look at why our lockdown has been extended.

The daily infections tell us that our half hearted lockdown has not been effective enough to get us to a track, trace and isolate situation.

To those frontline workers who HAD to go out, who slept in their vehicles instead of going home, I salute you. Sorry it was all for naught."

Thank you but it was not for naught the death rate came down and is down.

Now we need to work hard to keep it down.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

Virus forum bingo! It's another thread that covers economy over health. Day 1 of the week and my bingo card is filling.

Health should be priority

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings

MayContainFullNuts

So how do you think society today would cope with WW3

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Also do you think bigger shops where on there way out anyway Debanams has had problems for a long time this pandemic has just speeded up what was enevetable due to on line shopping. "

Well That makes it alright then doesn't it ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How can people not see the shit storm that is coming with the economy and jobs.

People keep saying health before wealth.

Tell that to the millions who are going to be destitute because of this.

How arethey going to find a job if there aren't any to find.

Howare they going to pay their mortgage.

Where will they live if they lose their house with the shortage in social housing.

5 people jumped off bridges up here in Newcastle this week alone .

This is just the start."

While obviously I don't want to die, I totally get you. In two weeks time myself and doughnut have no jobs and no where to go, we've got in touch with every council we have a connection too but because we don't tick enough of the yes boxes we are deemed ok to private rent, even though we don't have a pot to piss in currently (we aren't blaming anyone other than ourselves for being in that situation). We have us, my teenage son and his dog to try and find a home and THEN two jobs. To say I haven't had bad thoughts is an understatement, I know there probably people out there in a far worse situation but currently right now, I can't see that, I can only see ourselves x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A short term lockdown would not have been so devastating.

So you need to look at why our lockdown has been extended.

The daily infections tell us that our half hearted lockdown has not been effective enough to get us to a track, trace and isolate situation.

To those frontline workers who HAD to go out, who slept in their vehicles instead of going home, I salute you. Sorry it was all for naught.

Thank you but it was not for naught the death rate came down and is down.

Now we need to work hard to keep it down."

I'm with you on that. This is no time for complacency. I'm not too sure about the current relaxation on lockdown rules regarding theatres, stadiums etc...

At the risk of sounding like GOT... winter is coming!

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By *lym4realCouple over a year ago

plymouth

Loads of shops were in trouble before this ??so many factors but mainly down to greed and debt by some of the Big ones ?? and the smaller ones can't compete against the on line shops ?? and if you build a economy built on consumption ?? and debt ?? and not forgetting the whole Brexit thing next ..mostly self inflicted wounds in the Uk though

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By *illie99TV/TS over a year ago

Central Scotland

"A short term lockdown would not have been so devastating.

So you need to look at why our lockdown has been extended.

The daily infections tell us that our half hearted lockdown has not been effective enough to get us to a track, trace and isolate situation.

To those frontline workers who HAD to go out, who slept in their vehicles instead of going home, I salute you. Sorry it was all for naught."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"MayContainFullNuts

So how do you think society today would cope with WW3

I think some people would need to grow up

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By *rx1Couple over a year ago

North of Okehampton, South of Bideford

It is such a shame if Debenhams go under and lots lose their jobs. They will have massive knock on’s in their lives.

Any Business that goes under, is terrible.

The Supermarkets killed the small village shops.

Downloads killed the Music shops

The internet is killing the High Street retailers .

Fast food is killing Healthy eating

Sticking a kid in front of a screen is killing good parenting and communication skills.

It goes on and on.

People have become lazy, want convenience, got selfish and just want to shift the blame, because it is easier.

We all need to have a hard look at ourselves

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just to qualify my last statement.

The other day I saw a child throw a screaming temper tantrum because he wanted a toy on the shelf. Mommy gave into extortion and bought the toy.

I think some of us have never left that paradigm. We get what we want and if we don't we raise hell.

Well bad news folks. This is a virus. It doesn't care.

The only way to beat this virus is to knuckle down and man up. Sadly as a nation we are too soft.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"How can people not see the shit storm that is coming with the economy and jobs.

People keep saying health before wealth.

Tell that to the millions who are going to be destitute because of this.

How arethey going to find a job if there aren't any to find.

Howare they going to pay their mortgage.

Where will they live if they lose their house with the shortage in social housing.

5 people jumped off bridges up here in Newcastle this week alone .

This is just the start.

Sorry to hear that.

Hope you find something soon.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is such a shame if Debenhams go under and lots lose their jobs. They will have massive knock on’s in their lives.

Any Business that goes under, is terrible.

The Supermarkets killed the small village shops.

Downloads killed the Music shops

The internet is killing the High Street retailers .

Fast food is killing Healthy eating

Sticking a kid in front of a screen is killing good parenting and communication skills.

It goes on and on.

People have become lazy, want convenience, got selfish and just want to shift the blame, because it is easier.

We all need to have a hard look at ourselves

In my opinion the high street killed the high street. How many times has the item I wanted not been in stock. 50 items displayed and only two kept in stock. Bait & switch.

If I have to wait 3 days for the item to arrive in the store then I'll buy it on Amazon. These high street stores have been their own worst enemies.

As for job losses. Well furlough ends in October. THEN we will be seeing job losses and thinking of now as the good old days!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Virus forum bingo! It's another thread that covers economy over health. Day 1 of the week and my bingo card is filling.

Health should be priority "

Health and wealth go hand I hand.

There are not many healthy people in poverty.

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By *est Wales WifeCouple over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

The CDC and UN have stated openly that many more people have died or become ill, and will continue to do so, as a result of lockdown measures that have been affected by the virus itself.

The reality is that capitalism is using the virus to reset the economy and remove thousands of jobs by automation.

If you don't believe be just try seeing a doctor - medicine has now become tele-medicine. Or consider the fact that one university lecturer will soon be able to lecture to every student in the country studying in their own home. Jobs will disappear in their millions.

The following is written by the founder of the World Economic Forum.

"In one form or another, social- and physical-distancing measures are likely to persist after the pandemic itself subsides, justifying the decision in many companies from different industries to accelerate automation.

After a while, the enduring concerns about technological unemployment will recede as societies emphasize the need to restructure the workplace in a way that minimizes close human contact.

Indeed, automation technologies are particularly well suited to a world in which human beings can’t get too close to each other or are willing to reduce their interactions. Our lingering and possibly lasting fear of being infected with a virus (COVID-19 or another) will thus speed the relentless march of automation, particularly in the fields most susceptible to automation.

In 2016, two academics from Oxford University came to the conclusion that up to 86% of jobs in restaurants, 75% of jobs in retail and 59% of jobs in entertainment could be automatized by 2035.

These three industries are among those the hardest hit by the pandemic and in which automating for reasons of hygiene and cleanliness will be a necessity that in turn will further accelerate the transition towards more tech and more digital.

There is an additional phenomenon set to support the expansion of automation: when “economic distancing” might follow social distancing. As countries turn inward and global companies shorten their super-efficient but highly fragile supply chains, automation and robots that enable more local production, while keeping costs down, will be in great demand.

The process of automation was set in motion many years ago, but the critical issue once again relates to the accelerating pace of change and transition: the pandemic will fast-forward the adoption of automation in the workplace and the introduction of more robots in our personal and professional lives.

From the onset of the lockdowns, it became apparent that robots and AI were a “natural” alternative when human labour was not available. Furthermore, they were used whenever possible to reduce the health risks to human employees. At a time when physical distancing became an obligation, robots were deployed in places as different as warehouses, supermarkets and hospitals in a broad range of activities, from shelf scanning (an area in which AI has made tremendous forays) to cleaning and of course robotic delivery – a soon-to-be important component of healthcare supply chains that will in turn lead to the “contactless” delivery of groceries and other essentials.

As for many other technologies that were on the distant horizon in terms of adoption (like telemedicine), businesses, consumers and public authorities are now rushing to turbocharge the speed of adoption

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"Virus forum bingo! It's another thread that covers economy over health. Day 1 of the week and my bingo card is filling.

Health should be priority

Health and wealth go hand I hand.

There are not many healthy people in poverty. "

It's how we manage what we have. We are still an incredibly rich nation.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Virus forum bingo! It's another thread that covers economy over health. Day 1 of the week and my bingo card is filling.

Health should be priority

Health and wealth go hand I hand.

There are not many healthy people in poverty.

It's how we manage what we have. We are still an incredibly rich nation. "

Yes rich for the few.

Us working class are not so rich.

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By *elshsunsWoman over a year ago

Flintshire

"The CDC and UN have stated openly that many more people have died or become ill, and will continue to do so, as a result of lockdown measures that have been affected by the virus itself.

The reality is that capitalism is using the virus to reset the economy and remove thousands of jobs by automation.

The following is written by the founder of the World Economic Forum.

After a while, the enduring concerns about technological unemployment will recede as societies emphasize the need to restructure the workplace in a way that minimizes close human contact.

In 2016, two academics from Oxford University came to the conclusion that up to 86% of jobs in restaurants, 75% of jobs in retail and 59% of jobs in entertainment could be automatized by 2035.

Spot on ..... 1984 and Orwell just keeps rushing to mind

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Virus forum bingo! It's another thread that covers economy over health. Day 1 of the week and my bingo card is filling.

Health should be priority

Health and wealth go hand I hand.

There are not many healthy people in poverty.

It's how we manage what we have. We are still an incredibly rich nation.

Yes rich for the few.

Us working class are not so rich."

The top 1% of households hold 20% of household wealth. The top 5% hold 40% ....

And the bottom 95% vote to keep it that way.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Whenever I see a post mentioning CDC or elections my first thought is it's a cut and paste from some american site.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Whenever I see a post mentioning CDC or elections my first thought is it's a cut and paste from some american site."

The parallels between the UK and USA are remarkable. From distasterous Covid-19 handling right down to Cambridge Analyica... it's like it's the same people running things.

Everything that Robert Reich says is equally applicable to the UK. Who's Robert Reich.... right?

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By *isty24Woman over a year ago

Leicester

Me neither

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings

"The CDC and UN have stated openly that many more people have died or become ill, and will continue to do so, as a result of lockdown measures that have been affected by the virus itself.

The reality is that capitalism is using the virus to reset the economy and remove thousands of jobs by automation.

The following is written by the founder of the World Economic Forum.

After a while, the enduring concerns about technological unemployment will recede as societies emphasize the need to restructure the workplace in a way that minimizes close human contact.

In 2016, two academics from Oxford University came to the conclusion that up to 86% of jobs in restaurants, 75% of jobs in retail and 59% of jobs in entertainment could be automatized by 2035.

Might be hard to be live but some of it I do in theatres we use to have 5to8 on the fly floor every night now once it is riged up it takes 1 to operate an automation desk that has better timing and can be quicker

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Virus forum bingo! It's another thread that covers economy over health. Day 1 of the week and my bingo card is filling.

Health should be priority

Health and wealth go hand I hand.

There are not many healthy people in poverty.

It's how we manage what we have. We are still an incredibly rich nation.

Yes rich for the few.

Us working class are not so rich.

The top 1% of households hold 20% of household wealth. The top 5% hold 40% ....

And the bottom 95% vote to keep it that way."

It doesn't matter who is in government nuts.

They are all self serving pigs.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Virus forum bingo! It's another thread that covers economy over health. Day 1 of the week and my bingo card is filling.

Health should be priority

Health and wealth go hand I hand.

There are not many healthy people in poverty.

It's how we manage what we have. We are still an incredibly rich nation.

Yes rich for the few.

Us working class are not so rich.

The top 1% of households hold 20% of household wealth. The top 5% hold 40% ....

And the bottom 95% vote to keep it that way.

It doesn't matter who is in government nuts.

They are all self serving pigs."

Well we didn't give the other guy a chance. So I guess we will never know.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Virus forum bingo! It's another thread that covers economy over health. Day 1 of the week and my bingo card is filling.

Health should be priority

Health and wealth go hand I hand.

There are not many healthy people in poverty.

It's how we manage what we have. We are still an incredibly rich nation.

Yes rich for the few.

Us working class are not so rich.

The top 1% of households hold 20% of household wealth. The top 5% hold 40% ....

And the bottom 95% vote to keep it that way.

It doesn't matter who is in government nuts.

They are all self serving pigs.

Well we didn't give the other guy a chance. So I guess we will never know."

It's always been the same.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Virus forum bingo! It's another thread that covers economy over health. Day 1 of the week and my bingo card is filling.

Health should be priority

Health and wealth go hand I hand.

There are not many healthy people in poverty.

It's how we manage what we have. We are still an incredibly rich nation.

Yes rich for the few.

Us working class are not so rich.

The top 1% of households hold 20% of household wealth. The top 5% hold 40% ....

And the bottom 95% vote to keep it that way.

It doesn't matter who is in government nuts.

They are all self serving pigs."

No they arent.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Virus forum bingo! It's another thread that covers economy over health. Day 1 of the week and my bingo card is filling.

Health should be priority

Health and wealth go hand I hand.

There are not many healthy people in poverty.

It's how we manage what we have. We are still an incredibly rich nation.

Yes rich for the few.

Us working class are not so rich.

The top 1% of households hold 20% of household wealth. The top 5% hold 40% ....

And the bottom 95% vote to keep it that way.

It doesn't matter who is in government nuts.

They are all self serving pigs.

No they arent."

Ok keep telling yourself that.

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By *ezzaandJane1973Couple over a year ago

Olney

Ever the optimist, but do you not think from a business point of view, that this is a damn good (and cheap) way to sort the wheat from the chaff.

There are alot of businesses that are using covid lockdown as an excuse to get rid of the crap staff (that shouldnt have their jobs anyway, but ridiculous employment law means you have to jump through hoops to fire anyone)

Think what you would do if you were Debenhams or House of Fraser etc. Take the easy option whilst you can.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Virus forum bingo! It's another thread that covers economy over health. Day 1 of the week and my bingo card is filling.

Health should be priority

Health and wealth go hand I hand.

There are not many healthy people in poverty.

It's how we manage what we have. We are still an incredibly rich nation.

Yes rich for the few.

Us working class are not so rich.

The top 1% of households hold 20% of household wealth. The top 5% hold 40% ....

And the bottom 95% vote to keep it that way.

It doesn't matter who is in government nuts.

They are all self serving pigs.

No they arent.

Ok keep telling yourself that."

I dont need too.Its a fact.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Whenever I see a post mentioning CDC or elections my first thought is it's a cut and paste from some american site.

The parallels between the UK and USA are remarkable. From distasterous Covid-19 handling right down to Cambridge Analyica... it's like it's the same people running things.

Everything that Robert Reich says is equally applicable to the UK. Who's Robert Reich.... right?"

As much as I can criticise this government and I do, I wouldn't put it on a par with the American handling of this crisis.

At least we have tried a gradual opening of the economy as opposed to the American way which turned into a every state do your own thing free for all.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not read the full thread only the op so apologies if this has been brought up

The way I see it with debenhams is like many of the young see the virus.

Debenhams was always going to go under/die. But was it the lockdown that killed it off?

Or did the underlying conditions cause the death of it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Virus forum bingo! It's another thread that covers economy over health. Day 1 of the week and my bingo card is filling.

Health should be priority

Health and wealth go hand I hand.

There are not many healthy people in poverty.

It's how we manage what we have. We are still an incredibly rich nation.

Yes rich for the few.

Us working class are not so rich.

The top 1% of households hold 20% of household wealth. The top 5% hold 40% ....

And the bottom 95% vote to keep it that way.

It doesn't matter who is in government nuts.

They are all self serving pigs.

No they arent.

Ok keep telling yourself that.

I dont need too.Its a fact."

Ok lol hahaha

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Not read the full thread only the op so apologies if this has been brought up

The way I see it with debenhams is like many of the young see the virus.

Debenhams was always going to go under/die. But was it the lockdown that killed it off?

Or did the underlying conditions cause the death of it?"

Debenhams was already terminally ill before Covid. They've been shutting stores and cutting staff over the last few years. Covid has been the nail in the coffin, so to speak.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not read the full thread only the op so apologies if this has been brought up

The way I see it with debenhams is like many of the young see the virus.

Debenhams was always going to go under/die. But was it the lockdown that killed it off?

Or did the underlying conditions cause the death of it?

Debenhams was already terminally ill before Covid. They've been shutting stores and cutting staff over the last few years. Covid has been the nail in the coffin, so to speak. "

What would you put on the death certificate?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Virus forum bingo! It's another thread that covers economy over health. Day 1 of the week and my bingo card is filling.

Health should be priority

Health and wealth go hand I hand.

There are not many healthy people in poverty.

It's how we manage what we have. We are still an incredibly rich nation.

Yes rich for the few.

Us working class are not so rich.

The top 1% of households hold 20% of household wealth. The top 5% hold 40% ....

And the bottom 95% vote to keep it that way.

It doesn't matter who is in government nuts.

They are all self serving pigs.

No they arent.

Ok keep telling yourself that."

Are you saying there is no difference between Bobby Kennedy and Adolf Hitler?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Virus forum bingo! It's another thread that covers economy over health. Day 1 of the week and my bingo card is filling.

Health should be priority

Health and wealth go hand I hand.

There are not many healthy people in poverty.

It's how we manage what we have. We are still an incredibly rich nation.

Yes rich for the few.

Us working class are not so rich.

The top 1% of households hold 20% of household wealth. The top 5% hold 40% ....

And the bottom 95% vote to keep it that way.

It doesn't matter who is in government nuts.

They are all self serving pigs.

No they arent.

Ok keep telling yourself that.

Are you saying there is no difference between Bobby Kennedy and Adolf Hitler?"

No, both dead.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Virus forum bingo! It's another thread that covers economy over health. Day 1 of the week and my bingo card is filling.

Health should be priority

Health and wealth go hand I hand.

There are not many healthy people in poverty.

It's how we manage what we have. We are still an incredibly rich nation.

Yes rich for the few.

Us working class are not so rich.

The top 1% of households hold 20% of household wealth. The top 5% hold 40% ....

And the bottom 95% vote to keep it that way.

It doesn't matter who is in government nuts.

They are all self serving pigs.

No they arent.

Ok keep telling yourself that.

Are you saying there is no difference between Bobby Kennedy and Adolf Hitler?

No, both dead.

The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Not read the full thread only the op so apologies if this has been brought up

The way I see it with debenhams is like many of the young see the virus.

Debenhams was always going to go under/die. But was it the lockdown that killed it off?

Or did the underlying conditions cause the death of it?

Debenhams was already terminally ill before Covid. They've been shutting stores and cutting staff over the last few years. Covid has been the nail in the coffin, so to speak.

What would you put on the death certificate?

Decapitated

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Virus forum bingo! It's another thread that covers economy over health. Day 1 of the week and my bingo card is filling.

Health should be priority

Health and wealth go hand I hand.

There are not many healthy people in poverty.

It's how we manage what we have. We are still an incredibly rich nation.

Yes rich for the few.

Us working class are not so rich.

The top 1% of households hold 20% of household wealth. The top 5% hold 40% ....

And the bottom 95% vote to keep it that way.

It doesn't matter who is in government nuts.

They are all self serving pigs.

No they arent.

Ok keep telling yourself that.

Are you saying there is no difference between Bobby Kennedy and Adolf Hitler?

No, both dead.

The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones."

I suppose looking at their respective countries it makes you question who was the most successful.

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By *kstallionMan over a year ago

milton keynes

So how many dying would you accept to justify the lockdown. Clearly 40,000 is not enough for you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Virus forum bingo! It's another thread that covers economy over health. Day 1 of the week and my bingo card is filling.

Health should be priority

Health and wealth go hand I hand.

There are not many healthy people in poverty.

It's how we manage what we have. We are still an incredibly rich nation.

Yes rich for the few.

Us working class are not so rich.

The top 1% of households hold 20% of household wealth. The top 5% hold 40% ....

And the bottom 95% vote to keep it that way.

It doesn't matter who is in government nuts.

They are all self serving pigs.

No they arent.

Ok keep telling yourself that.

Are you saying there is no difference between Bobby Kennedy and Adolf Hitler?

No, both dead.

The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones.

I suppose looking at their respective countries it makes you question who was the most successful."

It depends how you measure success. It would be interesting to see who would have handled the Covid-19 outbreak better. Boris Johnson or Adolf Hitler.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Virus forum bingo! It's another thread that covers economy over health. Day 1 of the week and my bingo card is filling.

Health should be priority

Health and wealth go hand I hand.

There are not many healthy people in poverty.

It's how we manage what we have. We are still an incredibly rich nation.

Yes rich for the few.

Us working class are not so rich.

The top 1% of households hold 20% of household wealth. The top 5% hold 40% ....

And the bottom 95% vote to keep it that way.

It doesn't matter who is in government nuts.

They are all self serving pigs.

No they arent.

Ok keep telling yourself that.

Are you saying there is no difference between Bobby Kennedy and Adolf Hitler?

No, both dead.

The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones.

I suppose looking at their respective countries it makes you question who was the most successful.

It depends how you measure success. It would be interesting to see who would have handled the Covid-19 outbreak better. Boris Johnson or Adolf Hitler. "

I've never been a fan of the Nazi shower cleansing technique so I think I'd opt for Boris's half way lockdown.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Virus forum bingo! It's another thread that covers economy over health. Day 1 of the week and my bingo card is filling.

Health should be priority

Health and wealth go hand I hand.

There are not many healthy people in poverty.

It's how we manage what we have. We are still an incredibly rich nation.

Yes rich for the few.

Us working class are not so rich.

The top 1% of households hold 20% of household wealth. The top 5% hold 40% ....

And the bottom 95% vote to keep it that way.

It doesn't matter who is in government nuts.

They are all self serving pigs.

No they arent.

Ok keep telling yourself that.

Are you saying there is no difference between Bobby Kennedy and Adolf Hitler?

No, both dead.

The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones.

I suppose looking at their respective countries it makes you question who was the most successful.

It depends how you measure success. It would be interesting to see who would have handled the Covid-19 outbreak better. Boris Johnson or Adolf Hitler.

I've never been a fan of the Nazi shower cleansing technique so I think I'd opt for Boris's half way lockdown."

Genocide is Genocide, whether takes place in a concentration camp or an old age home.

Who is better, someone who commits mass murder because of crazy ideological beliefs or someone who commits mass murder because they sold their soul to the rich and corrupt?

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By *exual_DelightsMan over a year ago

Guersney

Debenhams, John Lewis and the high street in general was on the ropes with below CV19. Debenhams was almost in administration in January!! CV19 is not the route cause, online shopping is.

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By *orkiecpl OP Couple over a year ago

York

"Thats where new zealand got it right NO foreign travel No extra people allowed into new zealand, in essence shut there borders cut them selves off from the rest of the world, new zealand has one of the lowest numbers of cases and deaths anywhere in the world, however they only went into a country wide lockdown for a small period of time and then fully re opened they internal economy, which has limited the negative impact of they lockdown, the uk should of shut its borders from the moment we went into lockdown and should of kept them shut till the end of 2020 ,concentrate on uk keep everyone else out, till we where certain covid was over or vacination found close our borders u till end of 2020 and what would we have done for food ? "

Lets see uk beef Yes uk pork Yes uk lamb Yes uk chicken Yes uk fish Yes dairy chesses eggs etc all available from uk sources, fresh fruit and veg and salad products all available from uk sources considering lockdown started in spring and continued into summer lots of fresh produce available.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Thats where new zealand got it right NO foreign travel No extra people allowed into new zealand, in essence shut there borders cut them selves off from the rest of the world, new zealand has one of the lowest numbers of cases and deaths anywhere in the world, however they only went into a country wide lockdown for a small period of time and then fully re opened they internal economy, which has limited the negative impact of they lockdown, the uk should of shut its borders from the moment we went into lockdown and should of kept them shut till the end of 2020 ,concentrate on uk keep everyone else out, till we where certain covid was over or vacination found close our borders u till end of 2020 and what would we have done for food ?

There is a difference between essential trade and opening the floodgates for all and sundry.

I was advocating this type of ringfencing in February. The threads are still there. See how the idea of screening incoming people was shouted down as ludicrous.

It was too "inconvenient".

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

"But if we had locked down like NZ would we now be questioning as to why we had to do it as it was not that much of a problem..

Damed if you do damed if you don't??

I think it would have been wise to close borders and quarantine people returning from high risk countries in March. I thought that at the time and continue to think that now. Others may disagree. "

You might want to sit down, I agree with you! We should have stopped everything except necessary travel in and out of the country and there should have been a strictly enforced quarantine for people returning to the country.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But if we had locked down like NZ would we now be questioning as to why we had to do it as it was not that much of a problem..

Damed if you do damed if you don't??

I think it would have been wise to close borders and quarantine people returning from high risk countries in March. I thought that at the time and continue to think that now. Others may disagree.

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By *ovegames42Man over a year ago

london

And all people bang on about is more lock down and social distancing.

( yes the economy is fecked ) And will not recover for an extremely long time.

Wait till the furlong scheme ends even more unemployed.

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By *ove2pleaseseukMan over a year ago

Hastings

"But if we had locked down like NZ would we now be questioning as to why we had to do it as it was not that much of a problem..

Damed if you do damed if you don't??

I think it would have been wise to close borders and quarantine people returning from high risk countries in March. I thought that at the time and continue to think that now. Others may disagree.

I also agree and as posted befor I was in India at the time so would have included me but there was nothing at Gatwick 9th of March not even a temperature check.

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman over a year ago

little old town of Reading!

"But if we had locked down like NZ would we now be questioning as to why we had to do it as it was not that much of a problem..

Damed if you do damed if you don't??

I think it would have been wise to close borders and quarantine people returning from high risk countries in March. I thought that at the time and continue to think that now. Others may disagree.

Bloody hell. I don’t know what to say! I’m flabbergasted!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But if we had locked down like NZ would we now be questioning as to why we had to do it as it was not that much of a problem..

Damed if you do damed if you don't??

I think it would have been wise to close borders and quarantine people returning from high risk countries in March. I thought that at the time and continue to think that now. Others may disagree.

Bloody hell. I don’t know what to say! I’m flabbergasted!!

Hacked?

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman over a year ago

little old town of Reading!

"But if we had locked down like NZ would we now be questioning as to why we had to do it as it was not that much of a problem..

Damed if you do damed if you don't??

I think it would have been wise to close borders and quarantine people returning from high risk countries in March. I thought that at the time and continue to think that now. Others may disagree.

Bloody hell. I don’t know what to say! I’m flabbergasted!!

Hacked?"

Ha!!!

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By *D835Man over a year ago

London

**"...Sweden took the right course..."**

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No they didn't.

when talking about Sweden, it is best to compare them with their Scandinavian / Nordic neighbours who have similar population sizes.

In comparison, took the *wrong* course by not locking down.

Due to not locking down, they have the highest death rate in Scandinavia compared to their neighbours who locked down.

It didn't help their economy either. Their Finance Minister Magdalena Andersson recently warned that Sweden is facing its worst economic crisis since World War II, with GDP set to slump 7% in 2020.

They have also seen a rise in unemployment since March due to Covid.

Their unemployment rate of 9% remains the highest in the Nordics.

By not locking down both their death rate and unemployment rates are now higher than the other Nordic / Scandinavian countries who chose to lockdown.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

**"...Sweden took the right course..."**

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No they didn't.

when talking about Sweden, it is best to compare them with their Scandinavian / Nordic neighbours who have similar population sizes.

In comparison, took the *wrong* course by not locking down.

Due to not locking down, they have the highest death rate in Scandinavia compared to their neighbours who locked down.

It didn't help their economy either. Their Finance Minister Magdalena Andersson recently warned that Sweden is facing its worst economic crisis since World War II, with GDP set to slump 7% in 2020.

They have also seen a rise in unemployment since March due to Covid.

Their unemployment rate of 9% remains the highest in the Nordics.

By not locking down both their death rate and unemployment rates are now higher than the other Nordic / Scandinavian countries who chose to lockdown."

I’m not saying Sweden had it right, I guess we won’t know until it’s all over. However what would have been the drop in gdp if the had locked down. Didn’t ours drop by over 20%.

The fact their biggest market had shut down was going to have a negative impact no matter what they did.

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

"But if we had locked down like NZ would we now be questioning as to why we had to do it as it was not that much of a problem..

Damed if you do damed if you don't??

I think it would have been wise to close borders and quarantine people returning from high risk countries in March. I thought that at the time and continue to think that now. Others may disagree.

Bloody hell. I don’t know what to say! I’m flabbergasted!!

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By *D835Man over a year ago

London

**"...Sweden took the right course..."**

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No they didn't.

when talking about Sweden, it is best to compare them with their Scandinavian / Nordic neighbours who have similar population sizes.

In comparison, took the *wrong* course by not locking down.

Due to not locking down, they have the highest death rate in Scandinavia compared to their neighbours who locked down.

It didn't help their economy either. Their Finance Minister Magdalena Andersson recently warned that Sweden is facing its worst economic crisis since World War II, with GDP set to slump 7% in 2020.

They have also seen a rise in unemployment since March due to Covid.

Their unemployment rate of 9% remains the highest in the Nordics.

By not locking down both their death rate and unemployment rates are now higher than the other Nordic / Scandinavian countries who chose to lockdown.

I’m not saying Sweden had it right, I guess we won’t know until it’s all over. However what would have been the drop in gdp if the had locked down. Didn’t ours drop by over 20%.

The fact their biggest market had shut down was going to have a negative impact no matter what they did."

**"...I’m not saying Sweden had it right..."**

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I didn't say you said so. I was responding to the OP.

And as I said, when talking about Sweden, best to compare them with its neighbours who have similar geographic & population sizes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"May be we should just go back to normal and let people now decide for them selves.

You are talking about the very economy that pays for the nhs. Like it or not, you can’t have one without the other.

And you don't have an economy if people are dead.

You do if 99.9% of them are still alive after catching it.

The NHS are given 19% of the country’s tax that’s paid. "

Would like your sources on that.

Only 1/5 of the NI you pay goes towards the NHS in some fashion, so it be interesting where you got this 19% of government tax goes to it. If they put a fraction of what you have quoted the NHS would remove any need of a private health care system.

This has been the debacle for many decades starting way back in early Labour terms of office.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

Halloween Decks are up and looking fabulous

Debenhams were in trouble since at least 2018 and have been posting severe profit warnings since then.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Deleted posts because not sure what Sweden has to do with Debenhams.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Deleted posts because not sure what Sweden has to do with Debenhams."

Because the OP mentioned it in the opening OP.

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By *D835Man over a year ago

London

"Deleted posts because not sure what Sweden has to do with Debenhams."

It is related because the OP said :"the economy is screwed for a generation, Sweden took the right course"

So what I am saying is: even if we had taken Sweden's cause, the economy would still have been screwed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Deleted posts because not sure what Sweden has to do with Debenhams.

It is related because the OP said :"the economy is screwed for a generation, Sweden took the right course"

So what I am saying is: even if we had taken Sweden's cause, the economy would still have been screwed.

Debenhams was screwed whichever way we went

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By *oggoneMan over a year ago

Derry

"Deleted posts because not sure what Sweden has to do with Debenhams.

It is related because the OP said :"the economy is screwed for a generation, Sweden took the right course"

So what I am saying is: even if we had taken Sweden's cause, the economy would still have been screwed.

And it's likely there was a recession imminent, regardless of covid but covid will certainly amplify the effects.

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By *D835Man over a year ago

London

"Deleted posts because not sure what Sweden has to do with Debenhams.

It is related because the OP said :"the economy is screwed for a generation, Sweden took the right course"

So what I am saying is: even if we had taken Sweden's cause, the economy would still have been screwed.

And it's likely there was a recession imminent, regardless of covid but covid will certainly amplify the effects."

Exactly this

Covid was just the "tipping point" for certain things which were already in the pipeline waiting to happen.

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By *arksxMan over a year ago

Leicester / London

"It is such a shame if Debenhams go under and lots lose their jobs. They will have massive knock on’s in their lives.

Any Business that goes under, is terrible.

The Supermarkets killed the small village shops.

Downloads killed the Music shops

The internet is killing the High Street retailers .

Fast food is killing Healthy eating

Sticking a kid in front of a screen is killing good parenting and communication skills.

It goes on and on.

People have become lazy, want convenience, got selfish and just want to shift the blame, because it is easier.

We all need to have a hard look at ourselves

Pretty sure all the same arguments where made before the industrial revolution.

What's the answer go back to horse and carts, using canal boats. And invading other countries in the name of the empire?

Teaching kids by canning them and rope memorisation.

The big tldr to the whole covid news cycle...

Its Darwin, evolve or die.

And sadly some people literally can not evolve, they have compromises economically or with their immune system.

The government should be doing all it can for them.

But they are not and they didn't at the start and won't at the end.

Mankind has and forever will be evolving and changing society that's what defines us as humans.

The two most recent economic events the housing bubble and dot com crash both had long last effects which changed society forever.

This is no different, just don't expect a utopia to spring up out of this.

It will be the same mix of fat cats and starving dogs. Just as it's always been

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Being made redundant is horrible, but get some perspective, looking for a job VS death. Pretty sure I know what's worse."

You talk like it's either one of the other or in every single person's case. Ridiculous.

It's 41,000 deaths of mostly older non-working members of the population, versus many thousands, maybe millions, of redundancies of younger working people.

That's the real choice for society.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Being made redundant is horrible, but get some perspective, looking for a job VS death. Pretty sure I know what's worse.

You talk like it's either one of the other or in every single person's case. Ridiculous.

It's 41,000 deaths of mostly older non-working members of the population, versus many thousands, maybe millions, of redundancies of younger working people.

That's the real choice for society."

This argument supposes that the economy would have remained unaffected without lockdown. The fact is that the economy would have been hit harder by a full scale pandemic than lockdown with a devastating death toll to boot.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Deleted posts because not sure what Sweden has to do with Debenhams.

Because the OP mentioned it in the opening OP."

True however I deleted my posts because I didn’t see the point in getting involved in a debate about Sweden in a thread about Debenhams.

Everyone else crack on.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Being made redundant is horrible, but get some perspective, looking for a job VS death. Pretty sure I know what's worse.

You talk like it's either one of the other or in every single person's case. Ridiculous.

It's 41,000 deaths of mostly older non-working members of the population, versus many thousands, maybe millions, of redundancies of younger working people.

That's the real choice for society."

Yeah, I guess the 41,000 didn't really matter, seeing as they were old and all that.

Next thing you'll be complaining about is all the people that used to work in care homes losing their jobs cause the old people died.

Jobs can be replaced, there are safety nets to help people find new ones and benefits to help them live while they do it. No it's not a good situation, but last time I checked, death isn't reversible. Try having a little compassion.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Being made redundant is horrible, but get some perspective, looking for a job VS death. Pretty sure I know what's worse.

You talk like it's either one of the other or in every single person's case. Ridiculous.

It's 41,000 deaths of mostly older non-working members of the population, versus many thousands, maybe millions, of redundancies of younger working people.

That's the real choice for society.

Yeah, I guess the 41,000 didn't really matter, seeing as they were old and all that.

Next thing you'll be complaining about is all the people that used to work in care homes losing their jobs cause the old people died.

Actually people are getting put on shorter hours due to the lack of residents.

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By *tace 309TV/TS over a year ago

durham

"Pisses me off that big stores say they make a loss in hard times but are still turning over millions ,there are good and bad times and you earn money and lose money in life ."
just read an article from a debenhams spokesman saying the the 124 stores currently open are doing OK cashwise. They are wanting for an outright buyer to come along before the end of september. In the meantime they have approached the firm Hilco a firm which specialises in winding up retail outlets, as a back up if no buyer comes along

This has got nothing to do with the virus. If they are, doing OK as they insist they are why has a winding up firm getting involved . This virus crisis has given far too many companies an excuse to restructure. This country needs to grip before there is nothing left. Another article has said that if people don't get back to work our economy will be in the gutter by this time next year from which there will be no going back from. Its wake up time Boris

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Where did we get this converse logic. Just because old people are vulnerable, not all vulnerable people are old.

There are young active otherwise healthy people working in all sectors of society who would be at risk without social distancing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Where did we get this converse logic. Just because old people are vulnerable, not all vulnerable people are old.

There are young active otherwise healthy people working in all sectors of society who would be at risk without social distancing."

What do you expect on here....they write every fecker off over 55

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Where did we get this converse logic. Just because old people are vulnerable, not all vulnerable people are old.

There are young active otherwise healthy people working in all sectors of society who would be at risk without social distancing."

Unfortunately we have some who seem trapped in the extremes of thinking we should be in lockdown to those who think we should have wild abandonment. Of course the truth is a nuanced middle ground that is liable to change with time and circumstances.

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman over a year ago

little old town of Reading!

"Where did we get this converse logic. Just because old people are vulnerable, not all vulnerable people are old.

There are young active otherwise healthy people working in all sectors of society who would be at risk without social distancing.

What do you expect on here....they write every fecker off over 55

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By *aisyDoandDaisyDontWoman over a year ago

little old town of Reading!

"Where did we get this converse logic. Just because old people are vulnerable, not all vulnerable people are old.

There are young active otherwise healthy people working in all sectors of society who would be at risk without social distancing.

100% this x

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By *ools and the brainCouple over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

If I had a choice of being made redundant or dying due to covid I think I know which one I'd choose!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If I had a choice of being made redundant or dying due to covid I think I know which one I'd choose!"

Agreed

Death is very final.

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By *ackietv1TV/TS over a year ago

caerphilly

Debenhams was going bust come what may. Should probably have gone into liquidation last autumn.

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

WH Smith will be next.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Pisses me off that big stores say they make a loss in hard times but are still turning over millions ,there are good and bad times and you earn money and lose money in life .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

most of these stores that go bust i cannot remember the last time i went in one of them.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman over a year ago

South

"But if we had locked down like NZ would we now be questioning as to why we had to do it as it was not that much of a problem..

Damed if you do damed if you don't??

I think it would have been wise to close borders and quarantine people returning from high risk countries in March. I thought that at the time and continue to think that now. Others may disagree. "

I agree with this maybe even earlier that was the only chance we had of containment.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But if we had locked down like NZ would we now be questioning as to why we had to do it as it was not that much of a problem..

Damed if you do damed if you don't??

I think it would have been wise to close borders and quarantine people returning from high risk countries in March. I thought that at the time and continue to think that now. Others may disagree.

I agree with this maybe even earlier that was the only chance we had of containment. "

I've said this from day 1 if everyone locked down the borders and/or quarantined people coming from high risk countries we'd be talking about it like it was a mild inconvenience rather than a full on life changing year

Doughnut

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But if we had locked down like NZ would we now be questioning as to why we had to do it as it was not that much of a problem..

Damed if you do damed if you don't??

I think it would have been wise to close borders and quarantine people returning from high risk countries in March. I thought that at the time and continue to think that now. Others may disagree.

I agree with this maybe even earlier that was the only chance we had of containment.

Doughnut "

I'm not saying that our government initially embarked on a strategy of herd immunity.

But.

If they had, they would have followed exact course they took.

If it walks like a duck...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But if we had locked down like NZ would we now be questioning as to why we had to do it as it was not that much of a problem..

Damed if you do damed if you don't??

I think it would have been wise to close borders and quarantine people returning from high risk countries in March. I thought that at the time and continue to think that now. Others may disagree.

I agree with this maybe even earlier that was the only chance we had of containment.

Doughnut "

So no imports.

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple over a year ago

Broadstairs

"If I had a choice of being made redundant or dying due to covid I think I know which one I'd choose!

Agreed

Death is very final."
You might end up getting other disease that will kill you like cancer which diagnosed case are half of what they where last year

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By *rHotNottsMan over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"This has nothing to do with COVID , they have been losing money for years , you cannot Blame COVID for everything

These companies have outdated business models with huge operational costs. They have been badly run for decades holding onto outdated thinking giving shareholders a few scraps to appease them

rather than telling them the truth. Compare to next Near East, Tesco Cherokee, George, M&S they told a very different story to shareholders in the 90s and sorted it out with tech.

Spending habits change all the time , people always buy new stuff they don’t need though, especially if you male it easy and always pay their mobile bills so they can see what crap others are buying and shop online for it. Businesses that get this are growing right now.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Stop acceptinng informatio handed to you on plate and start doing independent research.

You are being lied to non stop.

600k ppl died last year thats over 1.5k a day. There are mo significant increases of deaths.

Test are no accurate.

Corruption of money and contracts given to cabinet members

You are all conforming and consenting to an eventual one world governemnent.

You've lost all your senses of propotions becuase of the fear.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Stop acceptinng informatio handed to you on plate and start doing independent research.

You are being lied to non stop.

600k ppl died last year thats over 1.5k a day. There are mo significant increases of deaths.

Test are no accurate.

Corruption of money and contracts given to cabinet members

You are all conforming and consenting to an eventual one world governemnent.

You've lost all your senses of propotions becuase of the fear.

I hear Bacofoil are doing 20% off for repeat customers at the moment. Just thought you might like to know.

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By *elshsunsWoman over a year ago

Flintshire

Some of us are clued up the rest are fast asleep as our freedoms are eroded . I’ve given up trying to educate people . And no I don’t google everything g there are lots of books out there to read !!!

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By *elshsunsWoman over a year ago

Flintshire

"Stop acceptinng informatio handed to you on plate and start doing independent research.

You are being lied to non stop.

600k ppl died last year thats over 1.5k a day. There are mo significant increases of deaths.

Test are no accurate.

Corruption of money and contracts given to cabinet members

You are all conforming and consenting to an eventual one world governemnent.

You've lost all your senses of propotions becuase of the fear.

So true

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Stop acceptinng informatio handed to you on plate and start doing independent research.

You are being lied to non stop.

600k ppl died last year thats over 1.5k a day. There are mo significant increases of deaths.

Test are no accurate.

Corruption of money and contracts given to cabinet members

You are all conforming and consenting to an eventual one world governemnent.

You've lost all your senses of propotions becuase of the fear.

You know this because you counted them all personally?

My propotion is just great thanks in fact one of the best potions around

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Stop acceptinng informatio handed to you on plate and start doing independent research.

You are being lied to non stop.

600k ppl died last year thats over 1.5k a day. There are mo significant increases of deaths.

Test are no accurate.

Corruption of money and contracts given to cabinet members

You are all conforming and consenting to an eventual one world governemnent.

You've lost all your senses of propotions becuase of the fear.

So true

Absolutely. The government thought it would be a good idea to shut the economy down and pay everyone to stay at home as a practical joke.

I get it now.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Stop acceptinng informatio handed to you on plate and start doing independent research.

You are being lied to non stop.

600k ppl died last year thats over 1.5k a day. There are mo significant increases of deaths.

Test are no accurate.

Corruption of money and contracts given to cabinet members

You are all conforming and consenting to an eventual one world governemnent.

You've lost all your senses of propotions becuase of the fear.

I hear Bacofoil are doing 20% off for repeat customers at the moment. Just thought you might like to know. "

It's the latest weak theory that this new world order have this cunning virus which will control us all yet according to the same posters it's so mild and harmless to most of us we should ignore any guidance over it..

Baldrick had more believable thoughts..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People need stop going to the beach then and crowding pubs simple.

So selfish"

I live at the beach and there have been zero covid deaths here between March-July according to ons.gov.uk

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By *ap d agde coupleCouple over a year ago

Broadstairs

"People need stop going to the beach then and crowding pubs simple.

So selfish

I live at the beach and there have been zero covid deaths here between March-July according to ons.gov.uk "
live by the beach absolutely know or has been proved to have caught Covid from the beach and it’s been rammed here since July

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Stop acceptinng informatio handed to you on plate and start doing independent research.

You are being lied to non stop.

600k ppl died last year thats over 1.5k a day. There are mo significant increases of deaths.

Test are no accurate.

Corruption of money and contracts given to cabinet members

You are all conforming and consenting to an eventual one world governemnent.

You've lost all your senses of propotions becuase of the fear.

So true

Absolutely. The government thought it would be a good idea to shut the economy down and pay everyone to stay at home as a practical joke.

I get it now."

As if they really cared for your well being. They money is tax money and your children and their children will be labouring awa to pay for it... pay for your silence and the fact that you didnt stand up and do some research.

Event 201 october 2019

Future scenarios rockerfella foundation 2010 report page 18

Davos convention geneva 2020

Davis convention 2019 and 2018

Agenda 21/30

One shoukd read these documents in its entirety so that no mistakes are made when its said there is an agenda for depopulation.

Men have always conspired for personal gain. Or the maintainment of social hierachies.

Making sure the peasants never rise up to challenge those in power.

Feed them a carrot give them a bit of candy every, keep them oxcupied with work, quees and entertainment. Keep knowledge away from them etc.

If i was an elite and i had diplomatic immunity... skiing holidays , resort in mauritious.... and all i goto do is parrot whatever i need to say and do... i maintian a cushy lifestyle... children being brought up in a nice environment.....

Every one has a price and its the money system that allow corruption to happen.

And corruption us everywhere.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Stop acceptinng informatio handed to you on plate and start doing independent research.

You are being lied to non stop.

600k ppl died last year thats over 1.5k a day. There are mo significant increases of deaths.

Test are no accurate.

Corruption of money and contracts given to cabinet members

You are all conforming and consenting to an eventual one world governemnent.

You've lost all your senses of propotions becuase of the fear.

So true

Absolutely. The government thought it would be a good idea to shut the economy down and pay everyone to stay at home as a practical joke.

I get it now.

Event 201 october 2019

Future scenarios rockerfella foundation 2010 report page 18

Davos convention geneva 2020

Davis convention 2019 and 2018

Agenda 21/30

One shoukd read these documents in its entirety so that no mistakes are made when its said there is an agenda for depopulation.

Men have always conspired for personal gain. Or the maintainment of social hierachies.

Making sure the peasants never rise up to challenge those in power.

Feed them a carrot give them a bit of candy every, keep them oxcupied with work, quees and entertainment. Keep knowledge away from them etc.

Every one has a price and its the money system that allow corruption to happen.

And corruption us everywhere."

Woah dude! Did you just call us all peasants? I don't quite know how to take that....

Is corruption us everywhere like ToysRus for the Illuminati?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Stop acceptinng informatio handed to you on plate and start doing independent research.

You are being lied to non stop.

600k ppl died last year thats over 1.5k a day. There are mo significant increases of deaths.

Test are no accurate.

Corruption of money and contracts given to cabinet members

You are all conforming and consenting to an eventual one world governemnent.

You've lost all your senses of propotions becuase of the fear.

So true

Absolutely. The government thought it would be a good idea to shut the economy down and pay everyone to stay at home as a practical joke.

I get it now.

Event 201 october 2019

Future scenarios rockerfella foundation 2010 report page 18

Davos convention geneva 2020

Davis convention 2019 and 2018

Agenda 21/30

One shoukd read these documents in its entirety so that no mistakes are made when its said there is an agenda for depopulation.

Men have always conspired for personal gain. Or the maintainment of social hierachies.

Making sure the peasants never rise up to challenge those in power.

Feed them a carrot give them a bit of candy every, keep them oxcupied with work, quees and entertainment. Keep knowledge away from them etc.

Every one has a price and its the money system that allow corruption to happen.

And corruption us everywhere."

New world order was first mentioned in 1700. It’s now 2020, it appears they’re not very good.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Stop acceptinng informatio handed to you on plate and start doing independent research.

You are being lied to non stop.

600k ppl died last year thats over 1.5k a day. There are mo significant increases of deaths.

Test are no accurate.

Corruption of money and contracts given to cabinet members

You are all conforming and consenting to an eventual one world governemnent.

You've lost all your senses of propotions becuase of the fear.

So true

Absolutely. The government thought it would be a good idea to shut the economy down and pay everyone to stay at home as a practical joke.

I get it now.

Event 201 october 2019

Future scenarios rockerfella foundation 2010 report page 18

Davos convention geneva 2020

Davis convention 2019 and 2018

Agenda 21/30

One shoukd read these documents in its entirety so that no mistakes are made when its said there is an agenda for depopulation.

Men have always conspired for personal gain. Or the maintainment of social hierachies.

Making sure the peasants never rise up to challenge those in power.

Feed them a carrot give them a bit of candy every, keep them oxcupied with work, quees and entertainment. Keep knowledge away from them etc.

Every one has a price and its the money system that allow corruption to happen.

And corruption us everywhere.

New world order was first mentioned in 1700. It’s now 2020, it appears they’re not very good."

Perhaps you should send a strongly worded letter to their complaints department.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Stop acceptinng informatio handed to you on plate and start doing independent research.

You are being lied to non stop.

600k ppl died last year thats over 1.5k a day. There are mo significant increases of deaths.

Test are no accurate.

Corruption of money and contracts given to cabinet members

You are all conforming and consenting to an eventual one world governemnent.

You've lost all your senses of propotions becuase of the fear.

So true

Absolutely. The government thought it would be a good idea to shut the economy down and pay everyone to stay at home as a practical joke.

I get it now.

Event 201 october 2019

Future scenarios rockerfella foundation 2010 report page 18

Davos convention geneva 2020

Davis convention 2019 and 2018

Agenda 21/30

One shoukd read these documents in its entirety so that no mistakes are made when its said there is an agenda for depopulation.

Men have always conspired for personal gain. Or the maintainment of social hierachies.

Making sure the peasants never rise up to challenge those in power.

Feed them a carrot give them a bit of candy every, keep them oxcupied with work, quees and entertainment. Keep knowledge away from them etc.

Every one has a price and its the money system that allow corruption to happen.

And corruption us everywhere.

New world order was first mentioned in 1700. It’s now 2020, it appears they’re not very good.

Perhaps you should send a strongly worded letter to their complaints department."

They’re probably on a par with BT.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Stop acceptinng informatio handed to you on plate and start doing independent research.

You are being lied to non stop.

600k ppl died last year thats over 1.5k a day. There are mo significant increases of deaths.

Test are no accurate.

Corruption of money and contracts given to cabinet members

You are all conforming and consenting to an eventual one world governemnent.

You've lost all your senses of propotions becuase of the fear.

So true

Absolutely. The government thought it would be a good idea to shut the economy down and pay everyone to stay at home as a practical joke.

I get it now.

Event 201 october 2019

Future scenarios rockerfella foundation 2010 report page 18

Davos convention geneva 2020

Davis convention 2019 and 2018

Agenda 21/30

One shoukd read these documents in its entirety so that no mistakes are made when its said there is an agenda for depopulation.

Men have always conspired for personal gain. Or the maintainment of social hierachies.

Making sure the peasants never rise up to challenge those in power.

Feed them a carrot give them a bit of candy every, keep them oxcupied with work, quees and entertainment. Keep knowledge away from them etc.

Every one has a price and its the money system that allow corruption to happen.

And corruption us everywhere.

New world order was first mentioned in 1700. It’s now 2020, it appears they’re not very good.

Perhaps you should send a strongly worded letter to their complaints department.

They’re probably on a par with BT."

In that case use small words...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Stop acceptinng informatio handed to you on plate and start doing independent research.

You are being lied to non stop.

600k ppl died last year thats over 1.5k a day. There are mo significant increases of deaths.

Test are no accurate.

Corruption of money and contracts given to cabinet members

You are all conforming and consenting to an eventual one world governemnent.

You've lost all your senses of propotions becuase of the fear.

So true

Absolutely. The government thought it would be a good idea to shut the economy down and pay everyone to stay at home as a practical joke.

I get it now.

Event 201 october 2019

Future scenarios rockerfella foundation 2010 report page 18

Davos convention geneva 2020

Davis convention 2019 and 2018

Agenda 21/30

One shoukd read these documents in its entirety so that no mistakes are made when its said there is an agenda for depopulation.

Men have always conspired for personal gain. Or the maintainment of social hierachies.

Making sure the peasants never rise up to challenge those in power.

Feed them a carrot give them a bit of candy every, keep them oxcupied with work, quees and entertainment. Keep knowledge away from them etc.

Every one has a price and its the money system that allow corruption to happen.

And corruption us everywhere.

New world order was first mentioned in 1700. It’s now 2020, it appears they’re not very good.

Perhaps you should send a strongly worded letter to their complaints department.

They’re probably on a par with BT.

In that case use small words..."

On second thoughts you might want to go directly to the Secret Society Ombudsman.... although I don't know if they still qualify as a secret society now that their cover has been blown on Fab...

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