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Highest in quite a while.
This can make people panic and worry about such increases.
I don't know how hard it would be,but surely it would be beneficial to highlight age groups and how many are showing no symptoms too.
If we,as the general public, knew if cases were coming in from other countries or community transmission, then surely it would help?
Maybe I'm way off but, personally just seeing a jump in the numbers makes me feel uneasy.
Looking at New Zealands way of reporting,they even list flight numbers of imported cases, age groups and generally far more detail than we do.
I completely understand that it's a much tinier proportion of people than are testing positive in our country but it shows the detail can be shown and provides some level of reassurance that they know what's going on..... |
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It is a lot but it's just as I would have expected. I think with more going out we will see a steady rise again unfortunately.
As for New Zealand, I think the way we can track the delivery of our parcels coming from all around the globe...it should not be hard to do the same as they do. But there has to be a will to do it.
And like in all of this we seem to be behind the rest of the world in our actions. |
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"It is a lot but it's just as I would have expected. I think with more going out we will see a steady rise again unfortunately.
As for New Zealand, I think the way we can track the delivery of our parcels coming from all around the globe...it should not be hard to do the same as they do. But there has to be a will to do it.
And like in all of this we seem to be behind the rest of the world in our actions."
I agree,alot of things seems to be a very 'half arsed' approach
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"Highest in quite a while.
This can make people panic and worry about such increases.
I don't know how hard it would be,but surely it would be beneficial to highlight age groups and how many are showing no symptoms too.
If we,as the general public, knew if cases were coming in from other countries or community transmission, then surely it would help?
Maybe I'm way off but, personally just seeing a jump in the numbers makes me feel uneasy.
Looking at New Zealands way of reporting,they even list flight numbers of imported cases, age groups and generally far more detail than we do.
I completely understand that it's a much tinier proportion of people than are testing positive in our country but it shows the detail can be shown and provides some level of reassurance that they know what's going on....."
It is worrying, more so that there seems a growing movement to just accept that it is what it is and move on.... And yet we don't understand it or its longer term damage.
I think as a nation this whole episode has highlighted how much distrust and dishonesty is prevalent in our community. So the granularity we would get is only as good as the accuracy of the data that is collected. If these fora are to be believed and the mainstream media, many provide no info or deliberately false info rendering the data analysis inaccurate in some cases.
Should we know where new cases come from and in what communities? Absolutely... If other countries can do it you have to assume we can too. Which begs the question why we choose not to make that detail public. |
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"Highest in quite a while.
This can make people panic and worry about such increases.
I don't know how hard it would be,but surely it would be beneficial to highlight age groups and how many are showing no symptoms too.
If we,as the general public, knew if cases were coming in from other countries or community transmission, then surely it would help?
Maybe I'm way off but, personally just seeing a jump in the numbers makes me feel uneasy.
Looking at New Zealands way of reporting,they even list flight numbers of imported cases, age groups and generally far more detail than we do.
I completely understand that it's a much tinier proportion of people than are testing positive in our country but it shows the detail can be shown and provides some level of reassurance that they know what's going on....."
If I wanted to know the numbers, I'd only look at hospital admissions and deaths. They are the only numbers you can compare to the data pre lockdown. |
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"Highest in quite a while.
This can make people panic and worry about such increases.
I don't know how hard it would be,but surely it would be beneficial to highlight age groups and how many are showing no symptoms too.
If we,as the general public, knew if cases were coming in from other countries or community transmission, then surely it would help?
Maybe I'm way off but, personally just seeing a jump in the numbers makes me feel uneasy.
Looking at New Zealands way of reporting,they even list flight numbers of imported cases, age groups and generally far more detail than we do.
I completely understand that it's a much tinier proportion of people than are testing positive in our country but it shows the detail can be shown and provides some level of reassurance that they know what's going on.....
If I wanted to know the numbers, I'd only look at hospital admissions and deaths. They are the only numbers you can compare to the data pre lockdown. "
I look at that too,but do you not feel that the other data would be relevant?
Even if it was just to show that the government were actually in control of new cases,giving public more confidence?
Do you think even if not released ,that the government has this kind of information?
Don't get my wrong,this isn't a 'critise the government' post it's just asking the question as to why this information isn't available.
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We have gone from over 20% of the tests coming back positive in April to less than 3% in August.
As much as some may shout about Trump it is an important statistic. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"Highest in quite a while.
This can make people panic and worry about such increases.
I don't know how hard it would be,but surely it would be beneficial to highlight age groups and how many are showing no symptoms too.
If we,as the general public, knew if cases were coming in from other countries or community transmission, then surely it would help?
Maybe I'm way off but, personally just seeing a jump in the numbers makes me feel uneasy.
Looking at New Zealands way of reporting,they even list flight numbers of imported cases, age groups and generally far more detail than we do.
I completely understand that it's a much tinier proportion of people than are testing positive in our country but it shows the detail can be shown and provides some level of reassurance that they know what's going on.....
If I wanted to know the numbers, I'd only look at hospital admissions and deaths. They are the only numbers you can compare to the data pre lockdown.
I look at that too,but do you not feel that the other data would be relevant?
Even if it was just to show that the government were actually in control of new cases,giving public more confidence?
Do you think even if not released ,that the government has this kind of information?
Don't get my wrong,this isn't a 'critise the government' post it's just asking the question as to why this information isn't available.
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What would we do with the information though? You saw how Chinese people were treated at the start of the virus, if we knew which country was bringing in more cases, anyone from that country would get abused. I think concentrating on hospitalisations and deaths is the most sensible course of action.
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Of course you will get more "Cases"
Theres more.testing and the test looks for any type of corona viruses. If you have had a cold ever in youre lofe chances are you'll test positive.
Heck even a donkey and a grapefruit can test positive.
Stop testing and start building your immune systen by eating anti imflammatory foods and alkaline foods..
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"Highest in quite a while.
This can make people panic and worry about such increases.
I don't know how hard it would be,but surely it would be beneficial to highlight age groups and how many are showing no symptoms too.
If we,as the general public, knew if cases were coming in from other countries or community transmission, then surely it would help?
Maybe I'm way off but, personally just seeing a jump in the numbers makes me feel uneasy.
Looking at New Zealands way of reporting,they even list flight numbers of imported cases, age groups and generally far more detail than we do.
I completely understand that it's a much tinier proportion of people than are testing positive in our country but it shows the detail can be shown and provides some level of reassurance that they know what's going on.....
If I wanted to know the numbers, I'd only look at hospital admissions and deaths. They are the only numbers you can compare to the data pre lockdown.
I look at that too,but do you not feel that the other data would be relevant?
Even if it was just to show that the government were actually in control of new cases,giving public more confidence?
Do you think even if not released ,that the government has this kind of information?
Don't get my wrong,this isn't a 'critise the government' post it's just asking the question as to why this information isn't available.
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As a member of the public I have no use for "cases" data cos we didn't have that pre-lockdown. |
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"Of course you will get more "Cases"
Theres more.testing and the test looks for any type of corona viruses. If you have had a cold ever in youre lofe chances are you'll test positive.
Heck even a donkey and a grapefruit can test positive.
Stop testing and start building your immune systen by eating anti imflammatory foods and alkaline foods..
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I disagree with stop testing as testing will still give important data - such as the trajectory of the virus throughout counties and the such like. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"Of course you will get more "Cases"
Theres more.testing and the test looks for any type of corona viruses. If you have had a cold ever in youre lofe chances are you'll test positive.
Heck even a donkey and a grapefruit can test positive.
Stop testing and start building your immune systen by eating anti imflammatory foods and alkaline foods..
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Testing helps learn more about how the virus spreads and allows more control of spikes, testing is vital. |
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"Of course you will get more "Cases"
Theres more.testing and the test looks for any type of corona viruses. If you have had a cold ever in youre lofe chances are you'll test positive.
Heck even a donkey and a grapefruit can test positive.
Stop testing and start building your immune systen by eating anti imflammatory foods and alkaline foods..
I disagree with stop testing as testing will still give important data - such as the trajectory of the virus throughout counties and the such like. "
Its just another FEAR TACTIC
Stop making excuse and providing reasons for them
Death rate went down to literally zero.
So now they give you ' Cases' to keep you fearful.
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"Of course you will get more "Cases"
Theres more.testing and the test looks for any type of corona viruses. If you have had a cold ever in youre lofe chances are you'll test positive.
Heck even a donkey and a grapefruit can test positive.
Stop testing and start building your immune systen by eating anti imflammatory foods and alkaline foods..
Testing helps learn more about how the virus spreads and allows more control of spikes, testing is vital. "
No.. what is vital is that we demand the scientific papers that demonstrates and proof that viruses causes disease and are infectous. WHERE ARE THOSE PAPERS?
Im.willing to show you how erroneous and downright fradulent the are if you care to show me just one such paper. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"Of course you will get more "Cases"
Theres more.testing and the test looks for any type of corona viruses. If you have had a cold ever in youre lofe chances are you'll test positive.
Heck even a donkey and a grapefruit can test positive.
Stop testing and start building your immune systen by eating anti imflammatory foods and alkaline foods..
Testing helps learn more about how the virus spreads and allows more control of spikes, testing is vital.
No.. what is vital is that we demand the scientific papers that demonstrates and proof that viruses causes disease and are infectous. WHERE ARE THOSE PAPERS?
Im.willing to show you how erroneous and downright fradulent the are if you care to show me just one such paper."
Are you trying to tell me the virus isn't infectious or deadly? |
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"Of course you will get more "Cases"
Theres more.testing and the test looks for any type of corona viruses. If you have had a cold ever in youre lofe chances are you'll test positive.
Heck even a donkey and a grapefruit can test positive.
Stop testing and start building your immune systen by eating anti imflammatory foods and alkaline foods..
Testing helps learn more about how the virus spreads and allows more control of spikes, testing is vital.
No.. what is vital is that we demand the scientific papers that demonstrates and proof that viruses causes disease and are infectous. WHERE ARE THOSE PAPERS?
Im.willing to show you how erroneous and downright fradulent the are if you care to show me just one such paper."
So we're denying germ theory now.
Ok. |
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"Of course you will get more "Cases"
Theres more.testing and the test looks for any type of corona viruses. If you have had a cold ever in youre lofe chances are you'll test positive.
Heck even a donkey and a grapefruit can test positive.
Stop testing and start building your immune systen by eating anti imflammatory foods and alkaline foods..
Testing helps learn more about how the virus spreads and allows more control of spikes, testing is vital.
No.. what is vital is that we demand the scientific papers that demonstrates and proof that viruses causes disease and are infectous. WHERE ARE THOSE PAPERS?
Im.willing to show you how erroneous and downright fradulent the are if you care to show me just one such paper.
So we're denying germ theory now.
Ok."
Not denying but certainly not affirming it untill kochs postulates are met and that there are proper isolations of viruses as well as studies with proper control groups are presented.
As such... there are non..the ones thay claim they are only has it in their titles. Upon reading their metholosogy and conclusion, it is apparant that it is all make belief.
Pick up any paper you wish that claims to demonstrate viruses are infectious and causes diseases and we can look at it together.
Untill then you are entitled to your beliefs based not on actually seeing the science but base on heresay. |
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"The tests will be shown to be a load of old bollocks
I didn't know you could use them to test with? Are the bollocks swiped across something?"
What about the women? And young men?
Are tests only done on people who possess old bollocks? |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"Of course you will get more "Cases"
Theres more.testing and the test looks for any type of corona viruses. If you have had a cold ever in youre lofe chances are you'll test positive.
Heck even a donkey and a grapefruit can test positive.
Stop testing and start building your immune systen by eating anti imflammatory foods and alkaline foods..
Testing helps learn more about how the virus spreads and allows more control of spikes, testing is vital.
No.. what is vital is that we demand the scientific papers that demonstrates and proof that viruses causes disease and are infectous. WHERE ARE THOSE PAPERS?
Im.willing to show you how erroneous and downright fradulent the are if you care to show me just one such paper.
So we're denying germ theory now.
Ok.
Not denying but certainly not affirming it untill kochs postulates are met and that there are proper isolations of viruses as well as studies with proper control groups are presented.
As such... there are non..the ones thay claim they are only has it in their titles. Upon reading their metholosogy and conclusion, it is apparant that it is all make belief.
Pick up any paper you wish that claims to demonstrate viruses are infectious and causes diseases and we can look at it together.
Untill then you are entitled to your beliefs based not on actually seeing the science but base on heresay."
This is great news, all those people who are grieving for family members will be elated to know that it was all make believe and their loved ones aren't really dead. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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As much as I question our response and the reliance on case numbers driving policy, asking for evidence that a virus is contagious is a bit to tin foil for me. |
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"Of course you will get more "Cases"
Theres more.testing and the test looks for any type of corona viruses. If you have had a cold ever in youre lofe chances are you'll test positive.
Heck even a donkey and a grapefruit can test positive.
Stop testing and start building your immune systen by eating anti imflammatory foods and alkaline foods..
Testing helps learn more about how the virus spreads and allows more control of spikes, testing is vital.
No.. what is vital is that we demand the scientific papers that demonstrates and proof that viruses causes disease and are infectous. WHERE ARE THOSE PAPERS?
Im.willing to show you how erroneous and downright fradulent the are if you care to show me just one such paper.
So we're denying germ theory now.
Ok.
Not denying but certainly not affirming it untill kochs postulates are met and that there are proper isolations of viruses as well as studies with proper control groups are presented.
As such... there are non..the ones thay claim they are only has it in their titles. Upon reading their metholosogy and conclusion, it is apparant that it is all make belief.
Pick up any paper you wish that claims to demonstrate viruses are infectious and causes diseases and we can look at it together.
Untill then you are entitled to your beliefs based not on actually seeing the science but base on heresay.
This is great news, all those people who are grieving for family members will be elated to know that it was all make believe and their loved ones aren't really dead. "
Most of them would only be grieving a few weeks earlier than they would have been anyway given the age and co-morbidity demographic. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"Of course you will get more "Cases"
Theres more.testing and the test looks for any type of corona viruses. If you have had a cold ever in youre lofe chances are you'll test positive.
Heck even a donkey and a grapefruit can test positive.
Stop testing and start building your immune systen by eating anti imflammatory foods and alkaline foods..
Testing helps learn more about how the virus spreads and allows more control of spikes, testing is vital.
No.. what is vital is that we demand the scientific papers that demonstrates and proof that viruses causes disease and are infectous. WHERE ARE THOSE PAPERS?
Im.willing to show you how erroneous and downright fradulent the are if you care to show me just one such paper.
So we're denying germ theory now.
Ok.
Not denying but certainly not affirming it untill kochs postulates are met and that there are proper isolations of viruses as well as studies with proper control groups are presented.
As such... there are non..the ones thay claim they are only has it in their titles. Upon reading their metholosogy and conclusion, it is apparant that it is all make belief.
Pick up any paper you wish that claims to demonstrate viruses are infectious and causes diseases and we can look at it together.
Untill then you are entitled to your beliefs based not on actually seeing the science but base on heresay.
This is great news, all those people who are grieving for family members will be elated to know that it was all make believe and their loved ones aren't really dead.
Most of them would only be grieving a few weeks earlier than they would have been anyway given the age and co-morbidity demographic."
Really? I'll be sure to tell my friend whose son died that he would have only lived for a few more weeks anyway, I'm sure that will be a massive comfort to her. |
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"Of course you will get more "Cases"
Theres more.testing and the test looks for any type of corona viruses. If you have had a cold ever in youre lofe chances are you'll test positive.
Heck even a donkey and a grapefruit can test positive.
Stop testing and start building your immune systen by eating anti imflammatory foods and alkaline foods..
Testing helps learn more about how the virus spreads and allows more control of spikes, testing is vital.
No.. what is vital is that we demand the scientific papers that demonstrates and proof that viruses causes disease and are infectous. WHERE ARE THOSE PAPERS?
Im.willing to show you how erroneous and downright fradulent the are if you care to show me just one such paper.
So we're denying germ theory now.
Ok.
Not denying but certainly not affirming it untill kochs postulates are met and that there are proper isolations of viruses as well as studies with proper control groups are presented.
As such... there are non..the ones thay claim they are only has it in their titles. Upon reading their metholosogy and conclusion, it is apparant that it is all make belief.
Pick up any paper you wish that claims to demonstrate viruses are infectious and causes diseases and we can look at it together.
Untill then you are entitled to your beliefs based not on actually seeing the science but base on heresay.
This is great news, all those people who are grieving for family members will be elated to know that it was all make believe and their loved ones aren't really dead.
Most of them would only be grieving a few weeks earlier than they would have been anyway given the age and co-morbidity demographic.
Really? I'll be sure to tell my friend whose son died that he would have only lived for a few more weeks anyway, I'm sure that will be a massive comfort to her. "
So sorry for your friend.  |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"Of course you will get more "Cases"
Theres more.testing and the test looks for any type of corona viruses. If you have had a cold ever in youre lofe chances are you'll test positive.
Heck even a donkey and a grapefruit can test positive.
Stop testing and start building your immune systen by eating anti imflammatory foods and alkaline foods..
Testing helps learn more about how the virus spreads and allows more control of spikes, testing is vital.
No.. what is vital is that we demand the scientific papers that demonstrates and proof that viruses causes disease and are infectous. WHERE ARE THOSE PAPERS?
Im.willing to show you how erroneous and downright fradulent the are if you care to show me just one such paper.
So we're denying germ theory now.
Ok.
Not denying but certainly not affirming it untill kochs postulates are met and that there are proper isolations of viruses as well as studies with proper control groups are presented.
As such... there are non..the ones thay claim they are only has it in their titles. Upon reading their metholosogy and conclusion, it is apparant that it is all make belief.
Pick up any paper you wish that claims to demonstrate viruses are infectious and causes diseases and we can look at it together.
Untill then you are entitled to your beliefs based not on actually seeing the science but base on heresay.
This is great news, all those people who are grieving for family members will be elated to know that it was all make believe and their loved ones aren't really dead.
Most of them would only be grieving a few weeks earlier than they would have been anyway given the age and co-morbidity demographic.
Really? I'll be sure to tell my friend whose son died that he would have only lived for a few more weeks anyway, I'm sure that will be a massive comfort to her.
So sorry for your friend. "
Well, apparently it's all make believe! |
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I thought I asked a logical question, I personally wouldn't do anything with the information,but assumed that it may provide assurance to the public that the government were showing some control over where and how outbreaks were developing.
Sometimes I post stuff just because I'm curious as to other peoples opinions, I always forget that every thread turns into a 'this isn't real' argument.
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"We have gone from over 20% of the tests coming back positive in April to less than 3% in August.
As much as some may shout about Trump it is an important statistic."
But... people where either in or working for hospitals when tested in April #justsaying |
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"I thought I asked a logical question, I personally wouldn't do anything with the information,but assumed that it may provide assurance to the public that the government were showing some control over where and how outbreaks were developing.
Sometimes I post stuff just because I'm curious as to other peoples opinions, I always forget that every thread turns into a 'this isn't real' argument.
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It's potentially a factor among many. I think. But it's complicated
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"Most of them would only be grieving a few weeks earlier than they would have been anyway given the age and co-morbidity demographic."
What a totally heartless thing to suggest, in reality a large number of those who died had decades ahead of them. Underlying conditions to use the phrase can be something as simple as a 30 year old who controls their diabetes through diet. |
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"Of course you will get more "Cases"
Theres more.testing and the test looks for any type of corona viruses. If you have had a cold ever in youre lofe chances are you'll test positive.
Heck even a donkey and a grapefruit can test positive.
Stop testing and start building your immune systen by eating anti imflammatory foods and alkaline foods..
Testing helps learn more about how the virus spreads and allows more control of spikes, testing is vital.
No.. what is vital is that we demand the scientific papers that demonstrates and proof that viruses causes disease and are infectous. WHERE ARE THOSE PAPERS?
Im.willing to show you how erroneous and downright fradulent the are if you care to show me just one such paper.
So we're denying germ theory now.
Ok.
Not denying but certainly not affirming it untill kochs postulates are met and that there are proper isolations of viruses as well as studies with proper control groups are presented.
As such... there are non..the ones thay claim they are only has it in their titles. Upon reading their metholosogy and conclusion, it is apparant that it is all make belief.
Pick up any paper you wish that claims to demonstrate viruses are infectious and causes diseases and we can look at it together.
Untill then you are entitled to your beliefs based not on actually seeing the science but base on heresay.
This is great news, all those people who are grieving for family members will be elated to know that it was all make believe and their loved ones aren't really dead.
Most of them would only be grieving a few weeks earlier than they would have been anyway given the age and co-morbidity demographic."
Empethatic response. |
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"We have gone from over 20% of the tests coming back positive in April to less than 3% in August.
As much as some may shout about Trump it is an important statistic.
But... people where either in or working for hospitals when tested in April #justsaying"
And in May, June, July ,August when it has continued to drop?
I’d could put # something but I try not to get involved in the petty stuff . |
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"Of course you will get more "Cases"
Theres more.testing and the test looks for any type of corona viruses. If you have had a cold ever in youre lofe chances are you'll test positive.
Heck even a donkey and a grapefruit can test positive.
Stop testing and start building your immune systen by eating anti imflammatory foods and alkaline foods..
Testing helps learn more about how the virus spreads and allows more control of spikes, testing is vital.
No.. what is vital is that we demand the scientific papers that demonstrates and proof that viruses causes disease and are infectous. WHERE ARE THOSE PAPERS?
Im.willing to show you how erroneous and downright fradulent the are if you care to show me just one such paper."
Pathological diagnoses prove viruses cause diseases. I'll explain: a clinical diagnosis is one where there is a clear picture through the interpretation of signs and symptoms. A pathological when is when a lab test is involved, examining samples (blood, urine, faeces, cerebral spinal fluid, wound exudate, phlegm, biopsies). So there's your proof. |
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By *arksxMan
over a year ago
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"They don't want to publish the detail because it would allow us to work out that there is nothing to worry about."
They who is they?
Spectre, the hood, agent x.
Wake the fuck up this isn't a John grimish novel it's reality. A world wide epidemic.
By they I'll take the broader definition... the economy. Or rich people and companies.
Yep the most industries and capitalistic group of people on the planet want to shut the global economy down and keep people from working.
Ffs I know the fab forums werent made with covid and click bait news in mind.
But the mods have gotta do more to stop all this conspiracy crap on here. |
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"Of course you will get more "Cases"
Theres more.testing and the test looks for any type of corona viruses. If you have had a cold ever in youre lofe chances are you'll test positive.
Heck even a donkey and a grapefruit can test positive.
Stop testing and start building your immune systen by eating anti imflammatory foods and alkaline foods..
I disagree with stop testing as testing will still give important data - such as the trajectory of the virus throughout counties and the such like.
Its just another FEAR TACTIC
Stop making excuse and providing reasons for them
Death rate went down to literally zero.
So now they give you ' Cases' to keep you fearful.
"
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By *D835Man
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"We have gone from over 20% of the tests coming back positive in April to less than 3% in August.
As much as some may shout about Trump it is an important statistic.
But... people where either in or working for hospitals when tested in April #justsaying
And in May, June, July ,August when it has continued to drop?
I’d could put # something but I try not to get involved in the petty stuff ."
**"...And in May, June, July ,August when it has continued to drop..."**
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You should expect the drop because we are now doing :*hands, face, space* which we were not doing pre-lockdown. |
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"Of course you will get more "Cases"
Theres more.testing and the test looks for any type of corona viruses. If you have had a cold ever in youre lofe chances are you'll test positive.
Heck even a donkey and a grapefruit can test positive.
Stop testing and start building your immune systen by eating anti imflammatory foods and alkaline foods..
Testing helps learn more about how the virus spreads and allows more control of spikes, testing is vital.
No.. what is vital is that we demand the scientific papers that demonstrates and proof that viruses causes disease and are infectous. WHERE ARE THOSE PAPERS?
Im.willing to show you how erroneous and downright fradulent the are if you care to show me just one such paper.
So we're denying germ theory now.
Ok.
Not denying but certainly not affirming it untill kochs postulates are met and that there are proper isolations of viruses as well as studies with proper control groups are presented.
As such... there are non..the ones thay claim they are only has it in their titles. Upon reading their metholosogy and conclusion, it is apparant that it is all make belief.
Pick up any paper you wish that claims to demonstrate viruses are infectious and causes diseases and we can look at it together.
Untill then you are entitled to your beliefs based not on actually seeing the science but base on heresay."
I had a deadly virus, proven through lab testing. |
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"We have gone from over 20% of the tests coming back positive in April to less than 3% in August.
As much as some may shout about Trump it is an important statistic.
But... people where either in or working for hospitals when tested in April #justsaying
And in May, June, July ,August when it has continued to drop?
I’d could put # something but I try not to get involved in the petty stuff ."
It’s obvious isn’t it, the wider spread and easier it becomes to get tested, the lower the % of positives? |
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"The tests will be shown to be a load of old bollocks
I didn't know you could use them to test with? Are the bollocks swiped across something?
What about the women? And young men?
Are tests only done on people who possess old bollocks?"
OK now I'll  .
I've seen plenty of old bollocks, most of them sag more than old boobies. |
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"We have gone from over 20% of the tests coming back positive in April to less than 3% in August.
As much as some may shout about Trump it is an important statistic.
But... people where either in or working for hospitals when tested in April #justsaying
And in May, June, July ,August when it has continued to drop?
I’d could put # something but I try not to get involved in the petty stuff .
It’s obvious isn’t it, the wider spread and easier it becomes to get tested, the lower the % of positives? "
Less restrictions in testing means more people without clinical diagnoses or suspicions of it will be tested, equals a lower positive rate.
Confounding factors exist when comparing data sets. |
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"The tests will be shown to be a load of old bollocks
I didn't know you could use them to test with? Are the bollocks swiped across something?
What about the women? And young men?
Are tests only done on people who possess old bollocks?
OK now I'll .
I've seen plenty of old bollocks, most of them sag more than old boobies. "
Do your balls hang low, do they wobble to and fro |
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"The tests will be shown to be a load of old bollocks
I didn't know you could use them to test with? Are the bollocks swiped across something?
What about the women? And young men?
Are tests only done on people who possess old bollocks?
OK now I'll .
I've seen plenty of old bollocks, most of them sag more than old boobies.
Do your balls hang low, do they wobble to and fro"
I presume tgirls who tuck can’t test? |
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"The tests will be shown to be a load of old bollocks
I didn't know you could use them to test with? Are the bollocks swiped across something?
What about the women? And young men?
Are tests only done on people who possess old bollocks?
OK now I'll .
I've seen plenty of old bollocks, most of them sag more than old boobies.
Do your balls hang low, do they wobble to and fro
I presume tgirls who tuck can’t test?"
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By (user no longer on site)
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According to WHO in May a country that has a positivity percentage below 5% can be said to have an epidemic under control.
I’ve just checked for August 10th and the U.K. positivity percentage was 0.6%.
Germany was 0.8%.
It seems whatever we are doing is succeeding, be it washing your hands, coughing into your armpits or ignoring those requests for a meet.
It’s really not all about case numbers, though obviously none would be ideal. Alas we don’t live in that world just now. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"According to WHO in May a country that has a positivity percentage below 5% can be said to have an epidemic under control.
I’ve just checked for August 10th and the U.K. positivity percentage was 0.6%.
Germany was 0.8%.
It seems whatever we are doing is succeeding, be it washing your hands, coughing into your armpits or ignoring those requests for a meet.
It’s really not all about case numbers, though obviously none would be ideal. Alas we don’t live in that world just now."
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"According to WHO in May a country that has a positivity percentage below 5% can be said to have an epidemic under control.
I’ve just checked for August 10th and the U.K. positivity percentage was 0.6%.
Germany was 0.8%.
It seems whatever we are doing is succeeding, be it washing your hands, coughing into your armpits or ignoring those requests for a meet.
It’s really not all about case numbers, though obviously none would be ideal. Alas we don’t live in that world just now."
It is indeed just about under control, but... there’s a point of no return on infections and the fear is the rise we have seen may indicate that climb will continue and accelerate over the next 14 days. We know T&T is only reaching 50% a day and to be honest the more widespread infections become the less chance of us slowing the spread down. |
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"Of course you will get more "Cases"
Theres more.testing and the test looks for any type of corona viruses. If you have had a cold ever in youre lofe chances are you'll test positive.
Heck even a donkey and a grapefruit can test positive.
Stop testing and start building your immune systen by eating anti imflammatory foods and alkaline foods..
Testing helps learn more about how the virus spreads and allows more control of spikes, testing is vital.
No.. what is vital is that we demand the scientific papers that demonstrates and proof that viruses causes disease and are infectous. WHERE ARE THOSE PAPERS?
Im.willing to show you how erroneous and downright fradulent the are if you care to show me just one such paper.
So we're denying germ theory now.
Ok.
Not denying but certainly not affirming it untill kochs postulates are met and that there are proper isolations of viruses as well as studies with proper control groups are presented.
As such... there are non..the ones thay claim they are only has it in their titles. Upon reading their metholosogy and conclusion, it is apparant that it is all make belief.
Pick up any paper you wish that claims to demonstrate viruses are infectious and causes diseases and we can look at it together.
Untill then you are entitled to your beliefs based not on actually seeing the science but base on heresay.
This is great news, all those people who are grieving for family members will be elated to know that it was all make believe and their loved ones aren't really dead.
Most of them would only be grieving a few weeks earlier than they would have been anyway given the age and co-morbidity demographic."
That'll give them some relief
When GPS review patients with long term conditions, one of the things they have to do is clinically assess a patient if they are expected to die within a year. These patients then become palliative, but not end of life if expected to survive more than six weeks. The reason behind this is the gold standard of palliative care.
Even if the cv19 patients were end of life, do you really think your statement holds any water, has any effect on those grieving? In fact their grieving could become more complicated due to not being alongside their loved one.
Have a bloody heart! |
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"Of course you will get more "Cases"
Theres more.testing and the test looks for any type of corona viruses. If you have had a cold ever in youre lofe chances are you'll test positive.
Heck even a donkey and a grapefruit can test positive.
Stop testing and start building your immune systen by eating anti imflammatory foods and alkaline foods..
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"Of course you will get more "Cases"
Theres more.testing and the test looks for any type of corona viruses. If you have had a cold ever in youre lofe chances are you'll test positive.
Heck even a donkey and a grapefruit can test positive.
Stop testing and start building your immune systen by eating anti imflammatory foods and alkaline foods..
I disagree with stop testing as testing will still give important data - such as the trajectory of the virus throughout counties and the such like.
Its just another FEAR TACTIC
Stop making excuse and providing reasons for them
Death rate went down to literally zero.
So now they give you ' Cases' to keep you fearful.
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"The tests will be shown to be a load of old bollocks
I didn't know you could use them to test with? Are the bollocks swiped across something?
What about the women? And young men?
Are tests only done on people who possess old bollocks?
OK now I'll .
I've seen plenty of old bollocks, most of them sag more than old boobies.
Do your balls hang low, do they wobble to and fro"
That did go thru my head |
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"The tests will be shown to be a load of old bollocks
I didn't know you could use them to test with? Are the bollocks swiped across something?
What about the women? And young men?
Are tests only done on people who possess old bollocks?
OK now I'll .
I've seen plenty of old bollocks, most of them sag more than old boobies.
Do your balls hang low, do they wobble to and fro
I presume tgirls who tuck can’t test?"
Do you really want to? |
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"Of course you will get more "Cases"
Theres more.testing and the test looks for any type of corona viruses. If you have had a cold ever in youre lofe chances are you'll test positive.
Heck even a donkey and a grapefruit can test positive.
Stop testing and start building your immune systen by eating anti imflammatory foods and alkaline foods..
Testing helps learn more about how the virus spreads and allows more control of spikes, testing is vital.
No.. what is vital is that we demand the scientific papers that demonstrates and proof that viruses causes disease and are infectous. WHERE ARE THOSE PAPERS?
Im.willing to show you how erroneous and downright fradulent the are if you care to show me just one such paper.
So we're denying germ theory now.
Ok.
Not denying but certainly not affirming it untill kochs postulates are met and that there are proper isolations of viruses as well as studies with proper control groups are presented.
As such... there are non..the ones thay claim they are only has it in their titles. Upon reading their metholosogy and conclusion, it is apparant that it is all make belief.
Pick up any paper you wish that claims to demonstrate viruses are infectious and causes diseases and we can look at it together.
Untill then you are entitled to your beliefs based not on actually seeing the science but base on heresay.
This is great news, all those people who are grieving for family members will be elated to know that it was all make believe and their loved ones aren't really dead.
Most of them would only be grieving a few weeks earlier than they would have been anyway given the age and co-morbidity demographic.
That'll give them some relief
When GPS review patients with long term conditions, one of the things they have to do is clinically assess a patient if they are expected to die within a year. These patients then become palliative, but not end of life if expected to survive more than six weeks. The reason behind this is the gold standard of palliative care.
Even if the cv19 patients were end of life, do you really think your statement holds any water, has any effect on those grieving? In fact their grieving could become more complicated due to not being alongside their loved one.
Have a bloody heart! "
But pub. But random fucking.
We're the real heartless ones. |
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"The more people you test the more chance you have of finding people who have it,according to the worldmeter the uk has done 277,778 tests per 1 million people the highest in europe."
Can we divide that by 3? Throat,nose and bag... |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"The more people you test the more chance you have of finding people who have it,according to the worldmeter the uk has done 277,778 tests per 1 million people the highest in europe.
Can we divide that by 3? Throat,nose and bag..."
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"The more people you test the more chance you have of finding people who have it,according to the worldmeter the uk has done 277,778 tests per 1 million people the highest in europe.
Can we divide that by 3? Throat,nose and bag...???? "
Have a look on Amazon for a book called easy introduction to creative uses of statistics, by M Hancock, foreword by B Johnson. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"The more people you test the more chance you have of finding people who have it,according to the worldmeter the uk has done 277,778 tests per 1 million people the highest in europe.
Can we divide that by 3? Throat,nose and bag...????
Have a look on Amazon for a book called easy introduction to creative uses of statistics, by M Hancock, foreword by B Johnson."
so are you telling me that worldmeter is misleading everyone too,is it just uk statistics or the whole world? |
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"The more people you test the more chance you have of finding people who have it,according to the worldmeter the uk has done 277,778 tests per 1 million people the highest in europe.
Can we divide that by 3? Throat,nose and bag...????
Have a look on Amazon for a book called easy introduction to creative uses of statistics, by M Hancock, foreword by B Johnson."
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"The more people you test the more chance you have of finding people who have it,according to the worldmeter the uk has done 277,778 tests per 1 million people the highest in europe.
Can we divide that by 3? Throat,nose and bag...????
Have a look on Amazon for a book called easy introduction to creative uses of statistics, by M Hancock, foreword by B Johnson.so are you telling me that worldmeter is misleading everyone too,is it just uk statistics or the whole world? "
If you google "Boris Johnson lies" you will see a very, very long list of things he has lied about. |
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"The more people you test the more chance you have of finding people who have it,according to the worldmeter the uk has done 277,778 tests per 1 million people the highest in europe.
Can we divide that by 3? Throat,nose and bag...????
Have a look on Amazon for a book called easy introduction to creative uses of statistics, by M Hancock, foreword by B Johnson.so are you telling me that worldmeter is misleading everyone too,is it just uk statistics or the whole world?
If you google "Boris Johnson lies" you will see a very, very long list of things he has lied about."
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"The more people you test the more chance you have of finding people who have it,according to the worldmeter the uk has done 277,778 tests per 1 million people the highest in europe.
Can we divide that by 3? Throat,nose and bag...????
Have a look on Amazon for a book called easy introduction to creative uses of statistics, by M Hancock, foreword by B Johnson.so are you telling me that worldmeter is misleading everyone too,is it just uk statistics or the whole world? "
Look at the news for testing miscounting, PPE miscounting, etc. It's not a secret. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"The more people you test the more chance you have of finding people who have it,according to the worldmeter the uk has done 277,778 tests per 1 million people the highest in europe.
Can we divide that by 3? Throat,nose and bag...????
Have a look on Amazon for a book called easy introduction to creative uses of statistics, by M Hancock, foreword by B Johnson.so are you telling me that worldmeter is misleading everyone too,is it just uk statistics or the whole world? "
I'm saying that given Hancocks optimistic and forward looking methodologies of counting the number of tests, I would be dubious of that claim. |
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"The more people you test the more chance you have of finding people who have it,according to the worldmeter the uk has done 277,778 tests per 1 million people the highest in europe.
Can we divide that by 3? Throat,nose and bag...????
Have a look on Amazon for a book called easy introduction to creative uses of statistics, by M Hancock, foreword by B Johnson.so are you telling me that worldmeter is misleading everyone too,is it just uk statistics or the whole world?
I'm saying that given Hancocks optimistic and forward looking methodologies of counting the number of tests, I would be dubious of that claim. "
But you believe the number of cases , hospitalisations and deaths. It’s just testing you don’t trust. |
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"The more people you test the more chance you have of finding people who have it,according to the worldmeter the uk has done 277,778 tests per 1 million people the highest in europe.
Can we divide that by 3? Throat,nose and bag...????
Have a look on Amazon for a book called easy introduction to creative uses of statistics, by M Hancock, foreword by B Johnson.so are you telling me that worldmeter is misleading everyone too,is it just uk statistics or the whole world?
I'm saying that given Hancocks optimistic and forward looking methodologies of counting the number of tests, I would be dubious of that claim.
But you believe the number of cases , hospitalisations and deaths. It’s just testing you don’t trust."
If you go by excess deaths, the figure's rather indisputable. And it's hardly as if corpses are being miscounted. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"The more people you test the more chance you have of finding people who have it,according to the worldmeter the uk has done 277,778 tests per 1 million people the highest in europe.
Can we divide that by 3? Throat,nose and bag...????
Have a look on Amazon for a book called easy introduction to creative uses of statistics, by M Hancock, foreword by B Johnson.so are you telling me that worldmeter is misleading everyone too,is it just uk statistics or the whole world?
I'm saying that given Hancocks optimistic and forward looking methodologies of counting the number of tests, I would be dubious of that claim.
But you believe the number of cases , hospitalisations and deaths. It’s just testing you don’t trust."
No, it's the particular source I'm mistrustful of. ONS, PHE or the devolved health authorities don't have a dog in the fight like Mr Hancock has. |
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"The more people you test the more chance you have of finding people who have it,according to the worldmeter the uk has done 277,778 tests per 1 million people the highest in europe.
Can we divide that by 3? Throat,nose and bag...????
Have a look on Amazon for a book called easy introduction to creative uses of statistics, by M Hancock, foreword by B Johnson.so are you telling me that worldmeter is misleading everyone too,is it just uk statistics or the whole world?
I'm saying that given Hancocks optimistic and forward looking methodologies of counting the number of tests, I would be dubious of that claim.
But you believe the number of cases , hospitalisations and deaths. It’s just testing you don’t trust.
No, it's the particular source I'm mistrustful of. ONS, PHE or the devolved health authorities don't have a dog in the fight like Mr Hancock has. "
Are you implying Hancock might not have been 100% honest?
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"Funny how when some say they don’t believe government figures there’s talk of tin foil."
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"Highest in quite a while.
This can make people panic and worry about such increases.
I don't know how hard it would be,but surely it would be beneficial to highlight age groups and how many are showing no symptoms too.
If we,as the general public, knew if cases were coming in from other countries or community transmission, then surely it would help?
Maybe I'm way off but, personally just seeing a jump in the numbers makes me feel uneasy.
Looking at New Zealands way of reporting,they even list flight numbers of imported cases, age groups and generally far more detail than we do.
I completely understand that it's a much tinier proportion of people than are testing positive in our country but it shows the detail can be shown and provides some level of reassurance that they know what's going on....."
Be a lot easier if they just stopped testing altogether, then they wouldn't know. Make all our lives easier.  |
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"Funny how when some say they don’t believe government figures there’s talk of tin foil.
It's pretty hard to hide dead bodies. So that figure is rather well known."
Ah but what did they really die of. Nudge nudge wink wink ?? |
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"Funny how when some say they don’t believe government figures there’s talk of tin foil.
It's pretty hard to hide dead bodies. So that figure is rather well known.
Ah but what did they really die of. Nudge nudge wink wink ?? "
That's why excess deaths are the truest measure of deaths involving Covid. It doesn't matter what has been written or diagnosed about a person. The excess deaths don't lie.
Excess deaths compare deaths to those from previous years. So unless another mystery illness has been stalking the world, any excess deaths involve covid. |
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"I thought I asked a logical question, I personally wouldn't do anything with the information,but assumed that it may provide assurance to the public that the government were showing some control over where and how outbreaks were developing.
Sometimes I post stuff just because I'm curious as to other peoples opinions, I always forget that every thread turns into a 'this isn't real' argument.
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Hospital admissions are the only results to worry about
The more tests that are carried out the higher the cases will be as they record a positive for having the virus and had the virus
But do agree testing is good although still waiting for a definate answer to the actual death figure in the UK from the virus alone not including the people who had it but died of something else
Never really trusted government figures from the start to be honest as if any symptoms present at time of death then covid was put on death certificate although no testing was carried out in the beginning also people who tested positive for covid later on but lived past the quarantine of 14 days then died of something else were also added to the covid death toll
Think people should carry on being tested but not take too much notice of figures |
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"I thought I asked a logical question, I personally wouldn't do anything with the information,but assumed that it may provide assurance to the public that the government were showing some control over where and how outbreaks were developing.
Sometimes I post stuff just because I'm curious as to other peoples opinions, I always forget that every thread turns into a 'this isn't real' argument.
Hospital admissions are the only results to worry about
The more tests that are carried out the higher the cases will be as they record a positive for having the virus and had the virus
But do agree testing is good although still waiting for a definate answer to the actual death figure in the UK from the virus alone not including the people who had it but died of something else
Never really trusted government figures from the start to be honest as if any symptoms present at time of death then covid was put on death certificate although no testing was carried out in the beginning also people who tested positive for covid later on but lived past the quarantine of 14 days then died of something else were also added to the covid death toll
Think people should carry on being tested but not take too much notice of figures "
Excess deaths. Read my recent post. It literally answers your concern about not trusting the official Covid death toll. |
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"PS you just proved my point."
I thought you’d realise I wasn’t serious by the addition of nudge nudge wink wink.
So apart from your mistrust of the government what evidence can you point to that they are exaggerating the numbers of tests.
Can you point me to the actual number so I can work out the percentage positive.
I apparently can’t trust my previous source as they’ve been using dodgy data. |
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"PS you just proved my point.
I thought you’d realise I wasn’t serious by the addition of nudge nudge wink wink.
So apart from your mistrust of the government what evidence can you point to that they are exaggerating the numbers of tests.
Can you point me to the actual number so I can work out the percentage positive.
I apparently can’t trust my previous source as they’ve been using dodgy data."
Good to see you're not disputing the awful number of deaths or the fact that excess deaths give the truest picture of Covid mortality.
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"And if you're curious, based on excess deaths Covid has been involved in the deaths of over 64,000 people in the UK."
Not totally true as figures included patients that tested positive for having covid but didn't have it at time of deaths and also patients that died at the beginning wasn't tested at all so any symptoms associated with covid were all put down as covid deaths
627000 people died last year in the UK that's total death certs produced and even with covid upto yet we are still 3% lower than the 5 year average at this point
We had a friend who was having breathing difficulties during the first part of the lock down she suffered from cpd from working with abspetos paramedics were called to check on her
Her oxygen bottles were faulty so they started to change them something caused a spark and ignited the bottles blowing the paramedics through the front window and causing an explosion through the house
What was left of her body couldn't be saved
Guess what cause of death covid 19
And now her daughter is fighting with life insurance people because apparently her cover didn't cover pandemics
The poor women was blown up and burnt so how can they justify saying covid 19 as cause of death |
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"And if you're curious, based on excess deaths Covid has been involved in the deaths of over 64,000 people in the UK.
Not totally true as figures included patients that tested positive for having covid but didn't have it at time of deaths and also patients that died at the beginning wasn't tested at all so any symptoms associated with covid were all put down as covid deaths
627000 people died last year in the UK that's total death certs produced and even with covid upto yet we are still 3% lower than the 5 year average at this point
We had a friend who was having breathing difficulties during the first part of the lock down she suffered from cpd from working with abspetos paramedics were called to check on her
Her oxygen bottles were faulty so they started to change them something caused a spark and ignited the bottles blowing the paramedics through the front window and causing an explosion through the house
What was left of her body couldn't be saved
Guess what cause of death covid 19
And now her daughter is fighting with life insurance people because apparently her cover didn't cover pandemics
The poor women was blown up and burnt so how can they justify saying covid 19 as cause of death"
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"And if you're curious, based on excess deaths Covid has been involved in the deaths of over 64,000 people in the UK.
Not totally true as figures included patients that tested positive for having covid but didn't have it at time of deaths and also patients that died at the beginning wasn't tested at all so any symptoms associated with covid were all put down as covid deaths
627000 people died last year in the UK that's total death certs produced and even with covid upto yet we are still 3% lower than the 5 year average at this point
We had a friend who was having breathing difficulties during the first part of the lock down she suffered from cpd from working with abspetos paramedics were called to check on her
Her oxygen bottles were faulty so they started to change them something caused a spark and ignited the bottles blowing the paramedics through the front window and causing an explosion through the house
What was left of her body couldn't be saved
Guess what cause of death covid 19
And now her daughter is fighting with life insurance people because apparently her cover didn't cover pandemics
The poor women was blown up and burnt so how can they justify saying covid 19 as cause of death"
If you read up on excess deaths, you'd see exactly how they work in this situation to give the truest picture of Covid deaths. It's literally nothing to do with what is written on a death certificate.
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"I thought I asked a logical question, I personally wouldn't do anything with the information,but assumed that it may provide assurance to the public that the government were showing some control over where and how outbreaks were developing.
Sometimes I post stuff just because I'm curious as to other peoples opinions, I always forget that every thread turns into a 'this isn't real' argument.
Hospital admissions are the only results to worry about
The more tests that are carried out the higher the cases will be as they record a positive for having the virus and had the virus
But do agree testing is good although still waiting for a definate answer to the actual death figure in the UK from the virus alone not including the people who had it but died of something else
Never really trusted government figures from the start to be honest as if any symptoms present at time of death then covid was put on death certificate although no testing was carried out in the beginning also people who tested positive for covid later on but lived past the quarantine of 14 days then died of something else were also added to the covid death toll
Think people should carry on being tested but not take too much notice of figures "
Did you know that people can suffer long term consequences, potentially disability, from Covid-19 without going to hospital?
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"I thought I asked a logical question, I personally wouldn't do anything with the information,but assumed that it may provide assurance to the public that the government were showing some control over where and how outbreaks were developing.
Sometimes I post stuff just because I'm curious as to other peoples opinions, I always forget that every thread turns into a 'this isn't real' argument.
Hospital admissions are the only results to worry about
The more tests that are carried out the higher the cases will be as they record a positive for having the virus and had the virus
But do agree testing is good although still waiting for a definate answer to the actual death figure in the UK from the virus alone not including the people who had it but died of something else
Never really trusted government figures from the start to be honest as if any symptoms present at time of death then covid was put on death certificate although no testing was carried out in the beginning also people who tested positive for covid later on but lived past the quarantine of 14 days then died of something else were also added to the covid death toll
Think people should carry on being tested but not take too much notice of figures
Did you know that people can suffer long term consequences, potentially disability, from Covid-19 without going to hospital?
I'm sorry it doesn't suit your narrative though."
Yes I do understand and if you read my posts I agreed testing is a positive way forward
But that still doesn't hide the facts that death figures are not 100% accurate
Main people died from covid were elderly in care homes who also had underlying conditions that were already life threatening so of course a secondary infection is going to cause more problems
This still doesn't hide the facts that no testing was done at start and when testing started anyone who had previously had corona but no longer had it but died corona was put onto death cert
Try telling all the people that lost loved ones to something other than covid but was on there death cert why insurance companies won't pay to Bury them as they now decide a pandemic isn't covered |
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"I thought I asked a logical question, I personally wouldn't do anything with the information,but assumed that it may provide assurance to the public that the government were showing some control over where and how outbreaks were developing.
Sometimes I post stuff just because I'm curious as to other peoples opinions, I always forget that every thread turns into a 'this isn't real' argument.
Hospital admissions are the only results to worry about
The more tests that are carried out the higher the cases will be as they record a positive for having the virus and had the virus
But do agree testing is good although still waiting for a definate answer to the actual death figure in the UK from the virus alone not including the people who had it but died of something else
Never really trusted government figures from the start to be honest as if any symptoms present at time of death then covid was put on death certificate although no testing was carried out in the beginning also people who tested positive for covid later on but lived past the quarantine of 14 days then died of something else were also added to the covid death toll
Think people should carry on being tested but not take too much notice of figures
Did you know that people can suffer long term consequences, potentially disability, from Covid-19 without going to hospital?
I'm sorry it doesn't suit your narrative though.
Yes I do understand and if you read my posts I agreed testing is a positive way forward
But that still doesn't hide the facts that death figures are not 100% accurate
Main people died from covid were elderly in care homes who also had underlying conditions that were already life threatening so of course a secondary infection is going to cause more problems
This still doesn't hide the facts that no testing was done at start and when testing started anyone who had previously had corona but no longer had it but died corona was put onto death cert
Try telling all the people that lost loved ones to something other than covid but was on there death cert why insurance companies won't pay to Bury them as they now decide a pandemic isn't covered "
I'm sorry for your loss or the loss of anybody. But you really haven't taken in what I've previously written about excess deaths. I do wish you well. But I won't reply to you more on this topic. I worry it will lead to a futile argument. |
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"I thought I asked a logical question, I personally wouldn't do anything with the information,but assumed that it may provide assurance to the public that the government were showing some control over where and how outbreaks were developing.
Sometimes I post stuff just because I'm curious as to other peoples opinions, I always forget that every thread turns into a 'this isn't real' argument.
Hospital admissions are the only results to worry about
The more tests that are carried out the higher the cases will be as they record a positive for having the virus and had the virus
But do agree testing is good although still waiting for a definate answer to the actual death figure in the UK from the virus alone not including the people who had it but died of something else
Never really trusted government figures from the start to be honest as if any symptoms present at time of death then covid was put on death certificate although no testing was carried out in the beginning also people who tested positive for covid later on but lived past the quarantine of 14 days then died of something else were also added to the covid death toll
Think people should carry on being tested but not take too much notice of figures
Did you know that people can suffer long term consequences, potentially disability, from Covid-19 without going to hospital?
I'm sorry it doesn't suit your narrative though.
Yes I do understand and if you read my posts I agreed testing is a positive way forward
But that still doesn't hide the facts that death figures are not 100% accurate
Main people died from covid were elderly in care homes who also had underlying conditions that were already life threatening so of course a secondary infection is going to cause more problems
This still doesn't hide the facts that no testing was done at start and when testing started anyone who had previously had corona but no longer had it but died corona was put onto death cert
Try telling all the people that lost loved ones to something other than covid but was on there death cert why insurance companies won't pay to Bury them as they now decide a pandemic isn't covered
I'm sorry for your loss or the loss of anybody. But you really haven't taken in what I've previously written about excess deaths. I do wish you well. But I won't reply to you more on this topic. I worry it will lead to a futile argument."
I've read your posts and you keep mentioning excess deaths
Even the government has said that the death figure is not 100% true as people were added who shouldn't of been therefore the excess deaths would be lower when these were taken into consideration
1 death is too many but certain people who died during this virus were added to the covid death toll that shouldn't of been
Old Bill in the nursing home suffering from chronic lung disease catches the virus but dies a month later because he had symptoms he would of had covid on his death cert even though the primary cause of death was lung failure which may or may not of been made worse by the covid
All this needs to be addressed before an excess figure that is 100% factual
The only figures I watch now is hospital admittance from corona
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"Funny how when some say they don’t believe government figures there’s talk of tin foil.
It's pretty hard to hide dead bodies. So that figure is rather well known."
They've just got shot of nearly 6000.. |
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"Funny how when some say they don’t believe government figures there’s talk of tin foil.
It's pretty hard to hide dead bodies. So that figure is rather well known.
They've just got shot of nearly 6000.."
How did they manage that? |
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Heres a scenario that is exactly the way the government has worked out the so called excess figures
A plane carrying 147 people all testing positive for covid crashes and they all die unfortunately because they have been covid tested positive their death certs would show covid that's apparently another 147 excess deaths added |
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"Funny how when some say they don’t believe government figures there’s talk of tin foil.
It's pretty hard to hide dead bodies. So that figure is rather well known.
They've just got shot of nearly 6000..
How did they manage that?"
They are looking at what actually was definate covid deaths and re adjusting figures |
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"Funny how when some say they don’t believe government figures there’s talk of tin foil.
It's pretty hard to hide dead bodies. So that figure is rather well known.
They've just got shot of nearly 6000..
How did they manage that?"
Apparently if tested and you die after 28 days...it wasn't covid that carried you off.
Official covid deaths now 41000 down from 46700. |
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"Funny how when some say they don’t believe government figures there’s talk of tin foil.
It's pretty hard to hide dead bodies. So that figure is rather well known.
They've just got shot of nearly 6000..
How did they manage that?
Apparently if tested and you die after 28 days...it wasn't covid that carried you off.
Official covid deaths now 41000 down from 46700."
Wow. If that's true, it's pretty shameless of them. |
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"Funny how when some say they don’t believe government figures there’s talk of tin foil.
It's pretty hard to hide dead bodies. So that figure is rather well known.
They've just got shot of nearly 6000..
How did they manage that?
Apparently if tested and you die after 28 days...it wasn't covid that carried you off.
Official covid deaths now 41000 down from 46700."
Sp they arent exaggerating them..in fact The complete opposite? |
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"Funny how when some say they don’t believe government figures there’s talk of tin foil.
It's pretty hard to hide dead bodies. So that figure is rather well known.
They've just got shot of nearly 6000..
How did they manage that?
Apparently if tested and you die after 28 days...it wasn't covid that carried you off.
Official covid deaths now 41000 down from 46700.
Sp they arent exaggerating them..in fact The complete opposite?"
Here's a link
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-coronavirus-death-toll-falls-government-review-a4523326.html |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"Funny how when some say they don’t believe government figures there’s talk of tin foil.
It's pretty hard to hide dead bodies. So that figure is rather well known.
They've just got shot of nearly 6000..
How did they manage that?
Apparently if tested and you die after 28 days...it wasn't covid that carried you off.
Official covid deaths now 41000 down from 46700.
Sp they arent exaggerating them..in fact The complete opposite?"
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53722711
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"The man who has achieved nothing Mr Kier Starma will no doubt add his useless thoughts as to why the figures have suddenly changed  "
A knighted man - yeah obviously done nothing .
Pathetic distraction technique. |
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The ridiculous ‘downgrading’ in figures takes away from so many people who have died in wards... the scenario that Kate Garraway‘s husband has had has been mirrored in many less high profile victims, ventilation, the virus runs its course and the person left behind swabs clear but will die, weeks, months afterwards.
It’s an exercise in PR, nothing based on the reality. In terms of our reporting of deaths it’s been like this for over a month... basically, anything but covid where possible. |
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Ultimately what test and trace relies on is people coming forward to be be tested within a reasonable time scale to mitigate against further transmission
And
People who are close contacts being traced and tested with 72 hours.
This is clearly not happening as efficiently as it could be -
The Cummings debacle has really dented the public’s confidence in the government .
The solution- mass testing becoming mandatory- it has already been discussed and recommended for schools- if that happens then we call can be expected to be tested either once a week or every two weeks.
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"The ridiculous ‘downgrading’ in figures takes away from so many people who have died in wards... the scenario that Kate Garraway‘s husband has had has been mirrored in many less high profile victims, ventilation, the virus runs its course and the person left behind swabs clear but will die, weeks, months afterwards.
It may take some things away emotionally from what happens to individuals on the wards.
But don’t confuse individual tragedies with correct statistics.
Statistics are important to know where we stand with this thing and suffusing them with false emotion will not get the fight against it anywhere and will even hold it back.
We need accurate figures.
It’s an exercise in PR, nothing based on the reality. In terms of our reporting of deaths it’s been like this for over a month... basically, anything but covid where possible."
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"Funny how when some say they don’t believe government figures there’s talk of tin foil.
It's pretty hard to hide dead bodies. So that figure is rather well known.
They've just got shot of nearly 6000..
How did they manage that?
Apparently if tested and you die after 28 days...it wasn't covid that carried you off.
Official covid deaths now 41000 down from 46700.
Sp they arent exaggerating them..in fact The complete opposite?
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53722711
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Utterly shameless |
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"The ridiculous ‘downgrading’ in figures takes away from so many people who have died in wards... the scenario that Kate Garraway‘s husband has had has been mirrored in many less high profile victims, ventilation, the virus runs its course and the person left behind swabs clear but will die, weeks, months afterwards.
It may take some things away emotionally from what happens to individuals on the wards.
But don’t confuse individual tragedies with correct statistics.
Statistics are important to know where we stand with this thing and suffusing them with false emotion will not get the fight against it anywhere and will even hold it back.
We need accurate figures.
It’s an exercise in PR, nothing based on the reality. In terms of our reporting of deaths it’s been like this for over a month... basically, anything but covid where possible."
Terrible use of the quote button but I think I found your message. The fact is the statistic have been wildly off throughout this pandemic and it’s reporting. We’ve always been under the reality on paper, now we are more so...
Out of those 6,000 today I guarantee a few dozen comes off my trusts tally. Weird thing is... we know covid killed them whether during or as a result of the infection. It doesn’t change the reality for those families or those who cared for them.
We don’t, make any separation between those who die on the wards it has no benefit for us. But for public perception of the danger, the threat, the consequences... actually it’s really important for people to know the reality. |
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"Funny how when some say they don’t believe government figures there’s talk of tin foil.
It's pretty hard to hide dead bodies. So that figure is rather well known.
They've just got shot of nearly 6000..
How did they manage that?
Apparently if tested and you die after 28 days...it wasn't covid that carried you off.
Official covid deaths now 41000 down from 46700.
Sp they arent exaggerating them..in fact The complete opposite?
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53722711
Utterly shameless"
We have a government full of truth twisters so hey we should of expected nothing else from the twats |
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"The ridiculous ‘downgrading’ in figures takes away from so many people who have died in wards... the scenario that Kate Garraway‘s husband has had has been mirrored in many less high profile victims, ventilation, the virus runs its course and the person left behind swabs clear but will die, weeks, months afterwards.
It may take some things away emotionally from what happens to individuals on the wards.
But don’t confuse individual tragedies with correct statistics.
Statistics are important to know where we stand with this thing and suffusing them with false emotion will not get the fight against it anywhere and will even hold it back.
We need accurate figures.
It’s an exercise in PR, nothing based on the reality. In terms of our reporting of deaths it’s been like this for over a month... basically, anything but covid where possible.
Terrible use of the quote button but I think I found your message. The fact is the statistic have been wildly off throughout this pandemic and it’s reporting. We’ve always been under the reality on paper, now we are more so...
Out of those 6,000 today I guarantee a few dozen comes off my trusts tally. Weird thing is... we know covid killed them whether during or as a result of the infection. It doesn’t change the reality for those families or those who cared for them.
We don’t, make any separation between those who die on the wards it has no benefit for us. But for public perception of the danger, the threat, the consequences... actually it’s really important for people to know the reality. "
It matters to families that have to Bury their loved ones and because covid is on a death cert they cannot claim anything from insurance companies they have paid into for many years
The last thing anyone wants is to give their family member a decent send off |
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"Funny how when some say they don’t believe government figures there’s talk of tin foil.
It's pretty hard to hide dead bodies. So that figure is rather well known.
They've just got shot of nearly 6000..
How did they manage that?
Apparently if tested and you die after 28 days...it wasn't covid that carried you off.
Official covid deaths now 41000 down from 46700.
Sp they arent exaggerating them..in fact The complete opposite?
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53722711
Utterly shameless
We have a government full of truth twisters so hey we should of expected nothing else from the twats"
And people who will back them mo matter what. |
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"It matters to families that have to Bury their loved ones and because covid is on a death cert they cannot claim anything from insurance companies they have paid into for many years
The last thing anyone wants is to give their family member a decent send off "
But that is actually a separate issue with providers and policies really, not the reporting of accurate statistics. most major life insurance companies have confirmed their customers are covered in recent weeks due to growing pressure.
The grey area is critical illness and actually the new reporting puts those with lasting damage in potentially a horrific position, if covid has taken away their ability to work due to having them been deemed ‘recovered’ where does it place them? |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"Funny how when some say they don’t believe government figures there’s talk of tin foil.
It's pretty hard to hide dead bodies. So that figure is rather well known.
They've just got shot of nearly 6000..
How did they manage that?
Apparently if tested and you die after 28 days...it wasn't covid that carried you off.
Official covid deaths now 41000 down from 46700.
Sp they arent exaggerating them..in fact The complete opposite?
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-53722711
Utterly shameless
We have a government full of truth twisters so hey we should of expected nothing else from the twats"
The UK still takes second place in Europe for excess mortality.
Spain +56%
UK +45%
Italy +44%
These figures are compiled by the filthy Trotskyists over at the FT https://www.ft.com/content/a2901ce8-5eb7-4633-b89c-cbdf5b386938 |
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By *arksxMan
over a year ago
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"The man who has achieved nothing Mr Kier Starma will no doubt add his useless thoughts as to why the figures have suddenly changed "
Should we listen to thoughts of bozo boris
A man who told the uk to shake hands and have a stiff upper lip about just "the flu" on national morning TV. 10days before the spread of the virus triggered a pandemic.
Or the man who hid inside a meat packing freezing to avoid questions from morning breakfast news about the election.
Kier has made Boris look the total unprepared twat he is at every pmqs.
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Funny how when some say they don’t believe government figures there’s talk of tin foil.
It's pretty hard to hide dead bodies. So that figure is rather well known.
Ah but what did they really die of. Nudge nudge wink wink ??
That's why excess deaths are the truest measure of deaths involving Covid. It doesn't matter what has been written or diagnosed about a person. The excess deaths don't lie.
Excess deaths compare deaths to those from previous years. So unless another mystery illness has been stalking the world, any excess deaths involve covid."
You are right but you need a full year of data for that to work at the moment we are only in august and for the last 7 weeks the average death rate compared to the last 5 years is below average.Lets see what the figure is at the end of the year that will give a true comparison.I noticed in EL PAIS the other day they were saying the exact same thing spain,s excess deaths do not match the covid figures.I wonder how many more countries are the same.January will give them all the true figures. |
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"Funny how when some say they don’t believe government figures there’s talk of tin foil.
It's pretty hard to hide dead bodies. So that figure is rather well known.
Ah but what did they really die of. Nudge nudge wink wink ??
That's why excess deaths are the truest measure of deaths involving Covid. It doesn't matter what has been written or diagnosed about a person. The excess deaths don't lie.
Excess deaths compare deaths to those from previous years. So unless another mystery illness has been stalking the world, any excess deaths involve covid.You are right but you need a full year of data for that to work at the moment we are only in august and for the last 7 weeks the average death rate compared to the last 5 years is below average.Lets see what the figure is at the end of the year that will give a true comparison.I noticed in EL PAIS the other day they were saying the exact same thing spain,s excess deaths do not match the covid figures.I wonder how many more countries are the same.January will give them all the true figures."
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By *mmabluTV/TS
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"Of course you will get more "Cases"
Theres more.testing and the test looks for any type of corona viruses. If you have had a cold ever in youre lofe chances are you'll test positive.
Heck even a donkey and a grapefruit can test positive.
Stop testing and start building your immune systen by eating anti imflammatory foods and alkaline foods..
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No wonder cases up in Manchester if they think like you lol |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Funny how when some say they don’t believe government figures there’s talk of tin foil.
It's pretty hard to hide dead bodies. So that figure is rather well known.
Ah but what did they really die of. Nudge nudge wink wink ??
That's why excess deaths are the truest measure of deaths involving Covid. It doesn't matter what has been written or diagnosed about a person. The excess deaths don't lie.
Excess deaths compare deaths to those from previous years. So unless another mystery illness has been stalking the world, any excess deaths involve covid.You are right but you need a full year of data for that to work at the moment we are only in august and for the last 7 weeks the average death rate compared to the last 5 years is below average.Lets see what the figure is at the end of the year that will give a true comparison.I noticed in EL PAIS the other day they were saying the exact same thing spain,s excess deaths do not match the covid figures.I wonder how many more countries are the same.January will give them all the true figures.
It would certainly be wonderful to see figures that are lower than expected when all is said and done."
Exactly i agree there are roughly 660,000 deaths each year in the uk which surprised me when i googled it.If the trend over the last weeks continued for the next 3 1/2 months it may well be lower than expected.A big if i know. |
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"Of course you will get more "Cases"
Theres more.testing and the test looks for any type of corona viruses. If you have had a cold ever in youre lofe chances are you'll test positive.
Heck even a donkey and a grapefruit can test positive.
Stop testing and start building your immune systen by eating anti imflammatory foods and alkaline foods..
No wonder cases up in Manchester if they think like you lol"
Fortunately it's not common. |
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"They don't want to publish the detail because it would allow us to work out that there is nothing to worry about.
Why would they do that?"
I am sure there will be lots of people that comment would have given comfort to who have lost friends and family, you would NOT be saying that if you worked in a Hospital or Crematoria, no doubt you will be on the beach this weekend among all the other idiots.
I am sure that if there is another lockdown, the Government will not be as generous as the last time, and will be no hand outs or furlough pay, and yet more businesses will struggle to keep afloat.
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"And if you're curious, based on excess deaths Covid has been involved in the deaths of over 64,000 people in the UK.
Not totally true as figures included patients that tested positive for having covid but didn't have it at time of deaths and also patients that died at the beginning wasn't tested at all so any symptoms associated with covid were all put down as covid deaths
627000 people died last year in the UK that's total death certs produced and even with covid upto yet we are still 3% lower than the 5 year average at this point
We had a friend who was having breathing difficulties during the first part of the lock down she suffered from cpd from working with abspetos paramedics were called to check on her
Her oxygen bottles were faulty so they started to change them something caused a spark and ignited the bottles blowing the paramedics through the front window and causing an explosion through the house
What was left of her body couldn't be saved
Guess what cause of death covid 19
And now her daughter is fighting with life insurance people because apparently her cover didn't cover pandemics
The poor women was blown up and burnt so how can they justify saying covid 19 as cause of death"
I am presuming you are referring to the very tragic death of Mrs Hadley which has been well covered in both the news and medical press.
It’s well documented that her death was registered as: “1a) fatal burn injuries“. She was never swabbed for covid-19, therefore would never has been listed as infected.
She doesn’t appear on the current or indeed previously published covid-19 statistics in any form. |
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"And if you're curious, based on excess deaths Covid has been involved in the deaths of over 64,000 people in the UK.
Not totally true as figures included patients that tested positive for having covid but didn't have it at time of deaths and also patients that died at the beginning wasn't tested at all so any symptoms associated with covid were all put down as covid deaths
627000 people died last year in the UK that's total death certs produced and even with covid upto yet we are still 3% lower than the 5 year average at this point
We had a friend who was having breathing difficulties during the first part of the lock down she suffered from cpd from working with abspetos paramedics were called to check on her
Her oxygen bottles were faulty so they started to change them something caused a spark and ignited the bottles blowing the paramedics through the front window and causing an explosion through the house
What was left of her body couldn't be saved
Guess what cause of death covid 19
And now her daughter is fighting with life insurance people because apparently her cover didn't cover pandemics
The poor women was blown up and burnt so how can they justify saying covid 19 as cause of death
I am presuming you are referring to the very tragic death of Mrs Hadley which has been well covered in both the news and medical press.
It’s well documented that her death was registered as: “1a) fatal burn injuries“. She was never swabbed for covid-19, therefore would never has been listed as infected.
She doesn’t appear on the current or indeed previously published covid-19 statistics in any form."
It sounds a very sad case for the lady.
But dont you find that in a tragedy fb and other media that these cases seem to get very twist around  |
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"The ridiculous ‘downgrading’ in figures takes away from so many people who have died in wards... the scenario that Kate Garraway‘s husband has had has been mirrored in many less high profile victims, ventilation, the virus runs its course and the person left behind swabs clear but will die, weeks, months afterwards.
It’s an exercise in PR, nothing based on the reality. In terms of our reporting of deaths it’s been like this for over a month... basically, anything but covid where possible."
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I dont really believe in the figures reported as many that dont have covid get written off as having it, so it doesnt give a fair representation of what is going on. |
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"I dont really believe in the figures reported as many that dont have covid get written off as having it, so it doesnt give a fair representation of what is going on. "
Do you have any evidence for that? |
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"I dont really believe in the figures reported as many that dont have covid get written off as having it, so it doesnt give a fair representation of what is going on.
Do you have any evidence for that?"
Yes, one of the big evidences are what is happening in the care homes for the elderly people. |
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"I dont really believe in the figures reported as many that dont have covid get written off as having it, so it doesnt give a fair representation of what is going on.
Do you have any evidence for that?Yes, one of the big evidences are what is happening in the care homes for the elderly people."
... What do you think that's evidence of, exactly? |
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"I dont really believe in the figures reported as many that dont have covid get written off as having it, so it doesnt give a fair representation of what is going on.
Do you have any evidence for that?Yes, one of the big evidences are what is happening in the care homes for the elderly people.
... What do you think that's evidence of, exactly?"
Not sure, but it is widely reported that it is happening tho. |
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"I dont really believe in the figures reported as many that dont have covid get written off as having it, so it doesnt give a fair representation of what is going on.
Do you have any evidence for that?Yes, one of the big evidences are what is happening in the care homes for the elderly people.
... What do you think that's evidence of, exactly?Not sure, but it is widely reported that it is happening tho."
So you don't have any evidence? |
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"I dont really believe in the figures reported as many that dont have covid get written off as having it, so it doesnt give a fair representation of what is going on.
Do you have any evidence for that?Yes, one of the big evidences are what is happening in the care homes for the elderly people.
... What do you think that's evidence of, exactly?Not sure, but it is widely reported that it is happening tho."
So you know its evidence..but you are not sure what evidence it is of? |
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"I dont really believe in the figures reported as many that dont have covid get written off as having it, so it doesnt give a fair representation of what is going on.
Do you have any evidence for that?Yes, one of the big evidences are what is happening in the care homes for the elderly people.
... What do you think that's evidence of, exactly?Not sure, but it is widely reported that it is happening tho.
So you know its evidence..but you are not sure what evidence it is of?"
By golly, I do believe he's cracked this whole conspiracy wide open.
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"I dont really believe in the figures reported as many that dont have covid get written off as having it, so it doesnt give a fair representation of what is going on.
Do you have any evidence for that?Yes, one of the big evidences are what is happening in the care homes for the elderly people.
... What do you think that's evidence of, exactly?Not sure, but it is widely reported that it is happening tho.
So you know its evidence..but you are not sure what evidence it is of?
By golly, I do believe he's cracked this whole conspiracy wide open.
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"I dont really believe in the figures reported as many that dont have covid get written off as having it, so it doesnt give a fair representation of what is going on.
Do you have any evidence for that?Yes, one of the big evidences are what is happening in the care homes for the elderly people.
... What do you think that's evidence of, exactly?Not sure, but it is widely reported that it is happening tho.
So you don't have any evidence?"
It depends what you call evidence, as it was reported on the news about it maibe exposed is a better word for it. |
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"I dont really believe in the figures reported as many that dont have covid get written off as having it, so it doesnt give a fair representation of what is going on.
Do you have any evidence for that?Yes, one of the big evidences are what is happening in the care homes for the elderly people.
... What do you think that's evidence of, exactly?Not sure, but it is widely reported that it is happening tho.
So you don't have any evidence?It depends what you call evidence, as it was reported on the news about it maibe exposed is a better word for it."
In the big picture of the situation, it absolutely does not matter whether any particular death certificate had the correct cause of death written on it. [Yes, it does matter to the individual, I am in no way ignoring the emotional distress caused to those closest to the deceased.] The cold undeniable fact is that in the first half of this year there were precisely (...consults notes...) shitloads more people died than over the similar period of any previous year. And it is obvious to anybody that is not stupid that if extreme measures had not been taken to reduce transmission of the virus through the community, there would have been (...consults notes again...) shitloads upon shitloads more deaths.
For all those saying "they would have died anyway, it just happened a bit earlier" - everyone dies eventually, when YOU are getting closer to it you might feel a little different about the value of your final six months or year or two years or ten years. But hey, you would die anyway, so maybe it doesn't matter if YOU die a bit earlier. |
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"I dont really believe in the figures reported as many that dont have covid get written off as having it, so it doesnt give a fair representation of what is going on.
Do you have any evidence for that?Yes, one of the big evidences are what is happening in the care homes for the elderly people.
... What do you think that's evidence of, exactly?Not sure, but it is widely reported that it is happening tho.
So you don't have any evidence?It depends what you call evidence, as it was reported on the news about it maibe exposed is a better word for it.
In the big picture of the situation, it absolutely does not matter whether any particular death certificate had the correct cause of death written on it. [Yes, it does matter to the individual, I am in no way ignoring the emotional distress caused to those closest to the deceased.] The cold undeniable fact is that in the first half of this year there were precisely (...consults notes...) shitloads more people died than over the similar period of any previous year. And it is obvious to anybody that is not stupid that if extreme measures had not been taken to reduce transmission of the virus through the community, there would have been (...consults notes again...) shitloads upon shitloads more deaths.
For all those saying "they would have died anyway, it just happened a bit earlier" - everyone dies eventually, when YOU are getting closer to it you might feel a little different about the value of your final six months or year or two years or ten years. But hey, you would die anyway, so maybe it doesn't matter if YOU die a bit earlier."
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"I dont really believe in the figures reported as many that dont have covid get written off as having it, so it doesnt give a fair representation of what is going on.
Do you have any evidence for that?Yes, one of the big evidences are what is happening in the care homes for the elderly people.
... What do you think that's evidence of, exactly?Not sure, but it is widely reported that it is happening tho.
So you don't have any evidence?It depends what you call evidence, as it was reported on the news about it maibe exposed is a better word for it."
You've heard a suggestion of a thing. Ok.
And... a disease which gets worse as you get old, released into spaces where there are lots of old people, where there's inadequate protection of staff and residents?
... Of course lots of people died in care homes of Covid-19. That's crazily inevitable given what we know happened. It's not a conspiracy. |
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"I dont really believe in the figures reported as many that dont have covid get written off as having it, so it doesnt give a fair representation of what is going on.
Do you have any evidence for that?Yes, one of the big evidences are what is happening in the care homes for the elderly people.
... What do you think that's evidence of, exactly?Not sure, but it is widely reported that it is happening tho.
So you don't have any evidence?It depends what you call evidence, as it was reported on the news about it maibe exposed is a better word for it.
In the big picture of the situation, it absolutely does not matter whether any particular death certificate had the correct cause of death written on it. [Yes, it does matter to the individual, I am in no way ignoring the emotional distress caused to those closest to the deceased.] The cold undeniable fact is that in the first half of this year there were precisely (...consults notes...) shitloads more people died than over the similar period of any previous year. And it is obvious to anybody that is not stupid that if extreme measures had not been taken to reduce transmission of the virus through the community, there would have been (...consults notes again...) shitloads upon shitloads more deaths.
For all those saying "they would have died anyway, it just happened a bit earlier" - everyone dies eventually, when YOU are getting closer to it you might feel a little different about the value of your final six months or year or two years or ten years. But hey, you would die anyway, so maybe it doesn't matter if YOU die a bit earlier."
Christ yes.
A fuckton of extra people died.
An absolute fuckton.
More than civilians in World War 2.
How many people laud and celebrate our war efforts, celebrated VE Day, and won't put some cloth on their faces to protect the survivors of World War 2 or the country they sacrificed to protect? |
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"I dont really believe in the figures reported as many that dont have covid get written off as having it, so it doesnt give a fair representation of what is going on.
Do you have any evidence for that?Yes, one of the big evidences are what is happening in the care homes for the elderly people.
... What do you think that's evidence of, exactly?Not sure, but it is widely reported that it is happening tho.
So you don't have any evidence?It depends what you call evidence, as it was reported on the news about it maibe exposed is a better word for it.
In the big picture of the situation, it absolutely does not matter whether any particular death certificate had the correct cause of death written on it. [Yes, it does matter to the individual, I am in no way ignoring the emotional distress caused to those closest to the deceased.] The cold undeniable fact is that in the first half of this year there were precisely (...consults notes...) shitloads more people died than over the similar period of any previous year. And it is obvious to anybody that is not stupid that if extreme measures had not been taken to reduce transmission of the virus through the community, there would have been (...consults notes again...) shitloads upon shitloads more deaths.
For all those saying "they would have died anyway, it just happened a bit earlier" - everyone dies eventually, when YOU are getting closer to it you might feel a little different about the value of your final six months or year or two years or ten years. But hey, you would die anyway, so maybe it doesn't matter if YOU die a bit earlier."
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