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"I know we liv a world of compete inconsistencies at the moment, but I did chuckle ... One week the Govt announces its war on obesity (not before time) and goes to town on junk food and nutritional rubbish and bans advertising etc. And the following week announces big discounts for eating out which all the junk food joints immediately jumped onto!!? R xx" You can eat junk food without putting on weight, just don't eat too big a portion. Eat a whopper junior rather than a whopper. A hamburger instead of a Big Mac. Junk food doesn't make you fat, eating too much makes you fat. | |||
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"I know we liv a world of compete inconsistencies at the moment, but I did chuckle ... One week the Govt announces its war on obesity (not before time) and goes to town on junk food and nutritional rubbish and bans advertising etc. And the following week announces big discounts for eating out which all the junk food joints immediately jumped onto!!? R xx You can eat junk food without putting on weight, just don't eat too big a portion. Eat a whopper junior rather than a whopper. A hamburger instead of a Big Mac. Junk food doesn't make you fat, eating too much makes you fat." So that’s why the bundled meals they push ... and then ask you if you want to go large are over 1000 calories a throw! You’ll be telling me they are all green next in the food listings!!! .... just avoid them if you want to be healthy - simples! It’s a known fact the nutritional values of these foods are rubbish ... high in fat, high in carbs, high in calories ... pretty much everything we should be striving to avoid! R x | |||
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"I lost two stone during lock down, changed my earing habits, didn't buy any snack foods, just bought ingredients to make proper meals, stopped drinking alcohol as its high in calories took up running as its free and part of the exercise every day and I am now running up to 12 miles feel great, more energy, and I had pizza yesterday and didn't feel guilty gone from a size 12 to a size 8 "Good for you well done i always have cooked my own food and am lucky to have a sister with an allotment but still managed to put on weight,my running days are over though.  | |||
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"I try to eat healthily, limit my calorie intake and do a moderate amount of exercise and I still can't lose weight. The only things that have helped me lose are compulsive exercise or starvation and neither of those things are healthy. Go figure. " You had your thyroid checked out ? | |||
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I eat when healthy less then 1500 a day and yesterday after 4 hours exercise burned nearly 3,000 calories according to my Fitbit - still didn’t lose any overnight - it’s not easy for any of us - not really eaten today after gym session but nice day and drinking my calories in a beer garden x | |||
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"I try to eat healthily, limit my calorie intake and do a moderate amount of exercise and I still can't lose weight. The only things that have helped me lose are compulsive exercise or starvation and neither of those things are healthy. Go figure. You had your thyroid checked out ?" It's underactive. I have medication but I haven't been having my blood tests due to covid so I wonder if I need the dosage adjusted again. I mean, I'm not massively overweight and I have lost a bit through changing eating habits and regular exercise, but then I get to a point where it just sticks and the slightest thing causes me to start gaining again. It's very frustrating. | |||
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"I try to eat healthily, limit my calorie intake and do a moderate amount of exercise and I still can't lose weight. The only things that have helped me lose are compulsive exercise or starvation and neither of those things are healthy. Go figure. You had your thyroid checked out ? It's underactive. I have medication but I haven't been having my blood tests due to covid so I wonder if I need the dosage adjusted again. I mean, I'm not massively overweight and I have lost a bit through changing eating habits and regular exercise, but then I get to a point where it just sticks and the slightest thing causes me to start gaining again. It's very frustrating. " The mrs is exactly the same she is at gym on days off work and eats a healthy balanced diet. But has to work really hard to lose weight. Same underactive thyroid. | |||
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"I’m a curvy girl, I’m sure most of you slim/ skinny people would class me as a whopper! I don’t care, I’m me. I’m sure the virus isnt going to go “ oh look Becky is slim, Gloria is fat, let’s go attack Gloria’ Talk about making bigger feel awful " What a silly answer. The virus doesn’t think about who you are. It’s just more successful in what it does because obese people’s immune systems are less efficient at fighting it due to their excess weight It’s not a matter of right or wrong or fat shaming or anything personal. It’s just the way this virus is. Don’t get upset. Just lose weight. | |||
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"I’m a curvy girl, I’m sure most of you slim/ skinny people would class me as a whopper! I don’t care, I’m me. I’m sure the virus isnt going to go “ oh look Becky is slim, Gloria is fat, let’s go attack Gloria’ Talk about making bigger feel awful " You're quite right, Gloria and Becky will have an equal chance of catching the virus, but while Becky will probably shrug it off, Gloria could well end up in a hospital bed and may not survive. | |||
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"I’m a curvy girl, I’m sure most of you slim/ skinny people would class me as a whopper! I don’t care, I’m me. I’m sure the virus isnt going to go “ oh look Becky is slim, Gloria is fat, let’s go attack Gloria’ Talk about making bigger feel awful What a silly answer. The virus doesn’t think about who you are. It’s just more successful in what it does because obese people’s immune systems are less efficient at fighting it due to their excess weight It’s not a matter of right or wrong or fat shaming or anything personal. It’s just the way this virus is. Don’t get upset. Just lose weight. " I’m fine just the way I am thanks! I’ve been working in retail right through it, and I haven’t caught it yet. I don’t need to be told to lose weight thanks, that’s my decision not yours! | |||
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"I’m a curvy girl, I’m sure most of you slim/ skinny people would class me as a whopper! I don’t care, I’m me. I’m sure the virus isnt going to go “ oh look Becky is slim, Gloria is fat, let’s go attack Gloria’ Talk about making bigger feel awful What a silly answer. The virus doesn’t think about who you are. It’s just more successful in what it does because obese people’s immune systems are less efficient at fighting it due to their excess weight It’s not a matter of right or wrong or fat shaming or anything personal. It’s just the way this virus is. Don’t get upset. Just lose weight. I’m fine just the way I am thanks! I’ve been working in retail right through it, and I haven’t caught it yet. I don’t need to be told to lose weight thanks, that’s my decision not yours!" Very short sighted and blinkered vision But suit yourself. Hope you don’t get it. | |||
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"More and more evidence is coming out that this virus is a serious threat to those who are greatly overweight. They are more likely to fall sick with it, more likely to have complications and need intensive care, and more likely to die of it. Please please please folks, those of you who fall into this category, please try to lose the weight. " Cool, thanks pal. Next time I think to myself "hmm why don't I purposefully try to gain weight, stay obese and not try to battle the many mental demons that have led to me this stage every minute of every day" I'll bear this ridiculously patronising post in mind | |||
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" It's underactive. I have medication but I haven't been having my blood tests due to covid so I wonder if I need the dosage adjusted again. I mean, I'm not massively overweight and I have lost a bit through changing eating habits and regular exercise, but then I get to a point where it just sticks and the slightest thing causes me to start gaining again. It's very frustrating. The mrs is exactly the same she is at gym on days off work and eats a healthy balanced diet. But has to work really hard to lose weight. Same underactive thyroid. " I just really hate the short-sightness of comments like 'just lose weight' like it's a really easy thing to do. For most people I know - myself included - it's really hard to lose weight. If it was just 'eat less and exercise' I'd be really slim now!! | |||
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"I know we liv a world of compete inconsistencies at the moment, but I did chuckle ... One week the Govt announces its war on obesity (not before time) and goes to town on junk food and nutritional rubbish and bans advertising etc. And the following week announces big discounts for eating out which all the junk food joints immediately jumped onto!!? R xx You can eat junk food without putting on weight, just don't eat too big a portion. Eat a whopper junior rather than a whopper. A hamburger instead of a Big Mac. Junk food doesn't make you fat, eating too much makes you fat." possibly, for some people. For others (like me) that diet would have me fat in no time. Quality of nutrition is what we should be aiming for and fast food does not fall into that category at all. Anyway, it's less to do with actual weight and more to do with metabolic syndrome which is commonly associated with obesity but at least 20% of slim or 'normal' sized people have it. Check out TOFI, thin outside, fat inside. | |||
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" It's underactive. I have medication but I haven't been having my blood tests due to covid so I wonder if I need the dosage adjusted again. I mean, I'm not massively overweight and I have lost a bit through changing eating habits and regular exercise, but then I get to a point where it just sticks and the slightest thing causes me to start gaining again. It's very frustrating. The mrs is exactly the same she is at gym on days off work and eats a healthy balanced diet. But has to work really hard to lose weight. Same underactive thyroid. I just really hate the short-sightness of comments like 'just lose weight' like it's a really easy thing to do. For most people I know - myself included - it's really hard to lose weight. If it was just 'eat less and exercise' I'd be really slim now!! " Of course it's easy. All these experts... Calories in vs calories out... One day they, the experts, may learn all the different variables that affect metabolism and that metabolism affects the rate at which food is turned into fuel. | |||
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"More and more evidence is coming out that this virus is a serious threat to those who are greatly overweight. They are more likely to fall sick with it, more likely to have complications and need intensive care, and more likely to die of it. Please please please folks, those of you who fall into this category, please try to lose the weight. Cool, thanks pal. Next time I think to myself "hmm why don't I purposefully try to gain weight, stay obese and not try to battle the many mental demons that have led to me this stage every minute of every day" I'll bear this ridiculously patronising post in mind "As a former huuuuuge woman, that guaranteed to put me in fight mode. Nobody who carries excess weight makes a conscious decision to be fat! And every time I hear 'eat less, move more' I get all stabby. If it were that fucking easy, we would all be thin, | |||
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" It's underactive. I have medication but I haven't been having my blood tests due to covid so I wonder if I need the dosage adjusted again. I mean, I'm not massively overweight and I have lost a bit through changing eating habits and regular exercise, but then I get to a point where it just sticks and the slightest thing causes me to start gaining again. It's very frustrating. The mrs is exactly the same she is at gym on days off work and eats a healthy balanced diet. But has to work really hard to lose weight. Same underactive thyroid. I just really hate the short-sightness of comments like 'just lose weight' like it's a really easy thing to do. For most people I know - myself included - it's really hard to lose weight. If it was just 'eat less and exercise' I'd be really slim now!! Of course it's easy. All these experts... Calories in vs calories out... One day they, the experts, may learn all the different variables that affect metabolism and that metabolism affects the rate at which food is turned into fuel. " Preach sister! I'm sick of explaining human thermodynamics but I ask those who believe the CICO bollocks to explain to me why there are fat elite sports people. | |||
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" It's underactive. I have medication but I haven't been having my blood tests due to covid so I wonder if I need the dosage adjusted again. I mean, I'm not massively overweight and I have lost a bit through changing eating habits and regular exercise, but then I get to a point where it just sticks and the slightest thing causes me to start gaining again. It's very frustrating. The mrs is exactly the same she is at gym on days off work and eats a healthy balanced diet. But has to work really hard to lose weight. Same underactive thyroid. I just really hate the short-sightness of comments like 'just lose weight' like it's a really easy thing to do. For most people I know - myself included - it's really hard to lose weight. If it was just 'eat less and exercise' I'd be really slim now!! Of course it's easy. All these experts... Calories in vs calories out... One day they, the experts, may learn all the different variables that affect metabolism and that metabolism affects the rate at which food is turned into fuel. Preach sister! I'm sick of explaining human thermodynamics but I ask those who believe the CICO bollocks to explain to me why there are fat elite sports people." Sadly, even some medical practitioners fall victim to spouting that mantra because their own knowledge is lacking. There is a push to increase doctors knowledge re nutrition in medical school as it's recognised they are lacking in that department (and they probably aren't referring to dietitians enough). | |||
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"We all know one example does not make it scientific, but.... I'm fat I'm had Covid (positive NHS antibodies) I was so well I carried on working from home, until S got it S, who is very slim and no pre existing conditions was too ill to work when he got it (though not ill enough to be hospitalised). I've had heavier colds (yes, I know I'm lucky etc). The point being it isn't always so clear cut. Here, the fatty was fine, the super slim one sicker, quite against all the expectations. I am, however, a scientist and so, yes, on average, overweight people are at higher risk, though the data shows that the single biggest indicators of severe/fatal infection are, in order: 1) Age - massive risk jump at approx age 65 2) Diabetes status (type 1 or 2, so equally problematic in type 1 diabetics who are a healthy weight, type 1 is not lifestyle related) 3) Cardiovascular disease (any, including hypertension) Items 2 and 3 on the list are correlated with obesity - obese people are more likely to be diabetic (type 2) or pre diabetic (maybe undiagnosed) and are more likely to have insidious cardiovascular disease (undiagnosed). Being older also generally equals some degree of cardiovascular disease, even if, again, it is undiagnosed and asymptomatic. Being older means less flexibility in the blood vessels and that happens no matter how healthy your lifestyle, how fit an older person you are. The biggest things are: 1) Avoid being old 2) Keep existing diabetes well controlled and avoid becoming diabetic if you can. That might involve diet changes etc and a resulting loss of weight. Note type 1 diabetes cannot be avoided but can be controlled through compliance with treatment and often alongside diet. 3) Maintain good cardiovascular health by exercising, not smoking, keeping BP and cholesterol in the normal range etc. People who are overweight or obese, especially if over 45, should ask their GP for a "Health MOT", including blood tests to show long term blood glucose (hba1c), cholesterol etc. and should take action accordingly. GPs can prescribe exercise classes, diet advice/classes and a bunch of other things to try and help minimise risk. " BMI of 30+ and the doctor can help people access free 10 week course of weight watchers or slimmers World. It is recognised many people need support in sticking to a diet. | |||
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"We all know one example does not make it scientific, but.... I'm fat I'm had Covid (positive NHS antibodies) I was so well I carried on working from home, until S got it S, who is very slim and no pre existing conditions was too ill to work when he got it (though not ill enough to be hospitalised). I've had heavier colds (yes, I know I'm lucky etc). The point being it isn't always so clear cut. Here, the fatty was fine, the super slim one sicker, quite against all the expectations. I am, however, a scientist and so, yes, on average, overweight people are at higher risk, though the data shows that the single biggest indicators of severe/fatal infection are, in order: 1) Age - massive risk jump at approx age 65 2) Diabetes status (type 1 or 2, so equally problematic in type 1 diabetics who are a healthy weight, type 1 is not lifestyle related) 3) Cardiovascular disease (any, including hypertension) Items 2 and 3 on the list are correlated with obesity - obese people are more likely to be diabetic (type 2) or pre diabetic (maybe undiagnosed) and are more likely to have insidious cardiovascular disease (undiagnosed). Being older also generally equals some degree of cardiovascular disease, even if, again, it is undiagnosed and asymptomatic. Being older means less flexibility in the blood vessels and that happens no matter how healthy your lifestyle, how fit an older person you are. The biggest things are: 1) Avoid being old 2) Keep existing diabetes well controlled and avoid becoming diabetic if you can. That might involve diet changes etc and a resulting loss of weight. Note type 1 diabetes cannot be avoided but can be controlled through compliance with treatment and often alongside diet. 3) Maintain good cardiovascular health by exercising, not smoking, keeping BP and cholesterol in the normal range etc. People who are overweight or obese, especially if over 45, should ask their GP for a "Health MOT", including blood tests to show long term blood glucose (hba1c), cholesterol etc. and should take action accordingly. GPs can prescribe exercise classes, diet advice/classes and a bunch of other things to try and help minimise risk. BMI of 30+ and the doctor can help people access free 10 week course of weight watchers or slimmers World. It is recognised many people need support in sticking to a diet. " ...both of which are designed to fail so the companies get richer as we get fatter... | |||
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"More and more evidence is coming out that this virus is a serious threat to those who are greatly overweight. They are more likely to fall sick with it, more likely to have complications and need intensive care, and more likely to die of it. Please please please folks, those of you who fall into this category, please try to lose the weight. " No | |||
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"More and more evidence is coming out that this virus is a serious threat to those who are greatly overweight. They are more likely to fall sick with it, more likely to have complications and need intensive care, and more likely to die of it. Please please please folks, those of you who fall into this category, please try to lose the weight. Cool, thanks pal. Next time I think to myself "hmm why don't I purposefully try to gain weight, stay obese and not try to battle the many mental demons that have led to me this stage every minute of every day" I'll bear this ridiculously patronising post in mind
As a former huuuuuge woman, that guaranteed to put me in fight mode.
Nobody who carries excess weight makes a conscious decision to be fat!
And every time I hear 'eat less, move more' I get all stabby. If it were that fucking easy, we would all be thin,"This!!!! | |||
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"More and more evidence is coming out that this virus is a serious threat to those who are greatly overweight. They are more likely to fall sick with it, more likely to have complications and need intensive care, and more likely to die of it. Please please please folks, those of you who fall into this category, please try to lose the weight. " Jesus, virtual signallers, the biggest hypocrites with their faux concern. If the fat don't want to lose weight. If ethnic minorities don't want to wear masks. If the old and sick don't want to isolate. If men won't stay indoors. If the public won't stay away from packed beaches etc, then that's their concern. Protect yourself and your family as best you can. Survival of the fittest, nature has a way of culling. | |||
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"It seems to me that it is very simple. Eat nothing and however fat you are you will get thinner and thinner until you die. Eat the right amount and you will stay the same weight. Eat too much and you will get fatter and fatter." I wonder if simple minds like simple solutions? And if a critical mind likes complex stuff? | |||
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"I know we liv a world of compete inconsistencies at the moment, but I did chuckle ... One week the Govt announces its war on obesity (not before time) and goes to town on junk food and nutritional rubbish and bans advertising etc. And the following week announces big discounts for eating out which all the junk food joints immediately jumped onto!!? R xx You can eat junk food without putting on weight, just don't eat too big a portion. Eat a whopper junior rather than a whopper. A hamburger instead of a Big Mac. Junk food doesn't make you fat, eating too much makes you fat." Basically correct | |||
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"I know we liv a world of compete inconsistencies at the moment, but I did chuckle ... One week the Govt announces its war on obesity (not before time) and goes to town on junk food and nutritional rubbish and bans advertising etc. And the following week announces big discounts for eating out which all the junk food joints immediately jumped onto!!? R xx You can eat junk food without putting on weight, just don't eat too big a portion. Eat a whopper junior rather than a whopper. A hamburger instead of a Big Mac. Junk food doesn't make you fat, eating too much makes you fat. Basically correct "Dietitians are nutritionists but nutritionists aren't dietitians. I would never ask a nutritionist advice on nutrition. Just saying. | |||
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"More and more evidence is coming out that this virus is a serious threat to those who are greatly overweight. They are more likely to fall sick with it, more likely to have complications and need intensive care, and more likely to die of it. Please please please folks, those of you who fall into this category, please try to lose the weight. Cool, thanks pal. Next time I think to myself "hmm why don't I purposefully try to gain weight, stay obese and not try to battle the many mental demons that have led to me this stage every minute of every day" I'll bear this ridiculously patronising post in mind "This. Absolutely this  | |||
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"My GP gave me free access to various diet and exercises classes/clubs. However they were all week day, daytime classes so impossible for me to go too as i work then." This is a problem, yes. Same issue with anything about disability. Presumably overweight and disabled people don't have jobs? | |||
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"I try to eat healthily, limit my calorie intake and do a moderate amount of exercise and I still can't lose weight. The only things that have helped me lose are compulsive exercise or starvation and neither of those things are healthy. Go figure. " I promise you, and I mean we'll when I say, you're not doing enough.. Some top tips (ex PT, Ex RAF) Use my fitness pal's calorie checker and scan the barcodes of everything you eat everyday for a week or two. Check your BMR (Basal metabolic rate) calculators online. Basically this is the minimum amount of calories you need to survive/consume in a day at rest. Check your TDEE (Total daily energy expenditure.) This is the number of calories you are consuming through movement/exercise etc. Get a heart rate monitor and use this to provide a rough idea of how many calories you're burning through exercise. Lastly remember that 1 pound of fat is 453 grams and is approx 4000 calories you need to lose in a week (burning 500-600 a day more than you're consuming) . 9 calories per gram of Fat 4 calories per gram of Carbs 4 calories per gram of Protein Longer than I was planning to type but hope this hits home and helps, Max | |||
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"I try to eat healthily, limit my calorie intake and do a moderate amount of exercise and I still can't lose weight. The only things that have helped me lose are compulsive exercise or starvation and neither of those things are healthy. Go figure. I promise you, and I mean we'll when I say, you're not doing enough.. Some top tips (ex PT, Ex RAF) Use my fitness pal's calorie checker and scan the barcodes of everything you eat everyday for a week or two. Check your BMR (Basal metabolic rate) calculators online. Basically this is the minimum amount of calories you need to survive/consume in a day at rest. Check your TDEE (Total daily energy expenditure.) This is the number of calories you are consuming through movement/exercise etc. Get a heart rate monitor and use this to provide a rough idea of how many calories you're burning through exercise. Lastly remember that 1 pound of fat is 453 grams and is approx 4000 calories you need to lose in a week (burning 500-600 a day more than you're consuming) . 9 calories per gram of Fat 4 calories per gram of Carbs 4 calories per gram of Protein Longer than I was planning to type but hope this hits home and helps, Max " And your body cannot store excess protein. | |||
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"I try to eat healthily, limit my calorie intake and do a moderate amount of exercise and I still can't lose weight. The only things that have helped me lose are compulsive exercise or starvation and neither of those things are healthy. Go figure. I promise you, and I mean we'll when I say, you're not doing enough.. Some top tips (ex PT, Ex RAF) Use my fitness pal's calorie checker and scan the barcodes of everything you eat everyday for a week or two. Check your BMR (Basal metabolic rate) calculators online. Basically this is the minimum amount of calories you need to survive/consume in a day at rest. Check your TDEE (Total daily energy expenditure.) This is the number of calories you are consuming through movement/exercise etc. Get a heart rate monitor and use this to provide a rough idea of how many calories you're burning through exercise. Lastly remember that 1 pound of fat is 453 grams and is approx 4000 calories you need to lose in a week (burning 500-600 a day more than you're consuming) . 9 calories per gram of Fat 4 calories per gram of Carbs 4 calories per gram of Protein Longer than I was planning to type but hope this hits home and helps, Max " *** trigger warning *** Just a point. I already do these things (minus the heart rate monitor). I lost 2 stone during lockdown. I am still 2 stone down but am plateauing because my willpower is fading. Not because I'm lazy or because I want to be fat. If that were the case I wouldn't have spent most of my life (yes really, I started being put on diets by my parents from the age of 7) trying, and failing, to lose weight. Because what always happens is that a lifetime of a shitty relationship with food - starving, bingeing, purging, secret eating, obsession, addiction etc - and emotional connections to food and patterns of eating always catch up with me. My plateau started around the time that a lot of things in my life went to shit recently and is only being prolonged by how terrible I feel within myself at the moment. I am struggling every single day to persevere and stop myself putting back on everything I lost and starting back at square one yet again for what seems like the hundredth time. It's not as easy as "just lose weight". Your mind has to be in the right place. And even when you get it there, you have to work out how to keep yourself in that mental sweet spot until you reach the end of your weight loss journey. And every fucking thing is a trigger. I am happy that I have managed to lose some weight but by god is it stressful. It consumes my every waking moment, from choosing the right food to eat, to the anxiety and self hatred that comes after indulging/bingeing/skipping a workout, to the pressure I put on myself to be perfect every single day, leading me to inevitably fuck up. For me, and I suspect for many people in my position, there is no inbetween. It's "yay I'm losing weight but I'm miserable because it's stressful as fuck" or "shit I've gained weight and I'm miserable because my health is fucked and people keep telling me to just lose weight". It's not "eat less move more", CICO, or any of these things. It's "get your mind in order and keep it in order and the rest will follow". Unfortunately obesity is treated as a physical disorder when in my opinion it is 100% a mental disorder with physical side effects. | |||
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"I try to eat healthily, limit my calorie intake and do a moderate amount of exercise and I still can't lose weight. The only things that have helped me lose are compulsive exercise or starvation and neither of those things are healthy. Go figure. I promise you, and I mean we'll when I say, you're not doing enough.. Some top tips (ex PT, Ex RAF) Use my fitness pal's calorie checker and scan the barcodes of everything you eat everyday for a week or two. Check your BMR (Basal metabolic rate) calculators online. Basically this is the minimum amount of calories you need to survive/consume in a day at rest. Check your TDEE (Total daily energy expenditure.) This is the number of calories you are consuming through movement/exercise etc. Get a heart rate monitor and use this to provide a rough idea of how many calories you're burning through exercise. Lastly remember that 1 pound of fat is 453 grams and is approx 4000 calories you need to lose in a week (burning 500-600 a day more than you're consuming) . 9 calories per gram of Fat 4 calories per gram of Carbs 4 calories per gram of Protein Longer than I was planning to type but hope this hits home and helps, Max *** trigger warning *** Just a point. I already do these things (minus the heart rate monitor). I lost 2 stone during lockdown. I am still 2 stone down but am plateauing because my willpower is fading. Not because I'm lazy or because I want to be fat. If that were the case I wouldn't have spent most of my life (yes really, I started being put on diets by my parents from the age of 7) trying, and failing, to lose weight. Because what always happens is that a lifetime of a shitty relationship with food - starving, bingeing, purging, secret eating, obsession, addiction etc - and emotional connections to food and patterns of eating always catch up with me. My plateau started around the time that a lot of things in my life went to shit recently and is only being prolonged by how terrible I feel within myself at the moment. I am struggling every single day to persevere and stop myself putting back on everything I lost and starting back at square one yet again for what seems like the hundredth time. It's not as easy as "just lose weight". Your mind has to be in the right place. And even when you get it there, you have to work out how to keep yourself in that mental sweet spot until you reach the end of your weight loss journey. And every fucking thing is a trigger. I am happy that I have managed to lose some weight but by god is it stressful. It consumes my every waking moment, from choosing the right food to eat, to the anxiety and self hatred that comes after indulging/bingeing/skipping a workout, to the pressure I put on myself to be perfect every single day, leading me to inevitably fuck up. For me, and I suspect for many people in my position, there is no inbetween. It's "yay I'm losing weight but I'm miserable because it's stressful as fuck" or "shit I've gained weight and I'm miserable because my health is fucked and people keep telling me to just lose weight". It's not "eat less move more", CICO, or any of these things. It's "get your mind in order and keep it in order and the rest will follow". Unfortunately obesity is treated as a physical disorder when in my opinion it is 100% a mental disorder with physical side effects. " I definitely agree that most weight disorders are mental and if your head just isn't in the right place,nothing works. I would love to just eat healthily and exercise more but I put mental barriers in my way and never quite know how to break them down | |||
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"We all know one example does not make it scientific, but.... I'm fat I'm had Covid (positive NHS antibodies) I was so well I carried on working from home, until S got it S, who is very slim and no pre existing conditions was too ill to work when he got it (though not ill enough to be hospitalised). I've had heavier colds (yes, I know I'm lucky etc). The point being it isn't always so clear cut. Here, the fatty was fine, the super slim one sicker, quite against all the expectations. I am, however, a scientist and so, yes, on average, overweight people are at higher risk, though the data shows that the single biggest indicators of severe/fatal infection are, in order: 1) Age - massive risk jump at approx age 65 2) Diabetes status (type 1 or 2, so equally problematic in type 1 diabetics who are a healthy weight, type 1 is not lifestyle related) 3) Cardiovascular disease (any, including hypertension) Items 2 and 3 on the list are correlated with obesity - obese people are more likely to be diabetic (type 2) or pre diabetic (maybe undiagnosed) and are more likely to have insidious cardiovascular disease (undiagnosed). Being older also generally equals some degree of cardiovascular disease, even if, again, it is undiagnosed and asymptomatic. Being older means less flexibility in the blood vessels and that happens no matter how healthy your lifestyle, how fit an older person you are. The biggest things are: 1) Avoid being old 2) Keep existing diabetes well controlled and avoid becoming diabetic if you can. That might involve diet changes etc and a resulting loss of weight. Note type 1 diabetes cannot be avoided but can be controlled through compliance with treatment and often alongside diet. 3) Maintain good cardiovascular health by exercising, not smoking, keeping BP and cholesterol in the normal range etc. People who are overweight or obese, especially if over 45, should ask their GP for a "Health MOT", including blood tests to show long term blood glucose (hba1c), cholesterol etc. and should take action accordingly. GPs can prescribe exercise classes, diet advice/classes and a bunch of other things to try and help minimise risk. " About the best, unbiased, level headed post on this topic ..... thank you xxx | |||
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"I try to eat healthily, limit my calorie intake and do a moderate amount of exercise and I still can't lose weight. The only things that have helped me lose are compulsive exercise or starvation and neither of those things are healthy. Go figure. " Probably worth paying a diet planner and coach with a proven track record of results. Often people over estimate how many calories they need and under estimate how many they eat. Get your calories right and your training on point and you can lose weight and feel great. | |||
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"I try to eat healthily, limit my calorie intake and do a moderate amount of exercise and I still can't lose weight. The only things that have helped me lose are compulsive exercise or starvation and neither of those things are healthy. Go figure. I promise you, and I mean we'll when I say, you're not doing enough.. Some top tips (ex PT, Ex RAF) Use my fitness pal's calorie checker and scan the barcodes of everything you eat everyday for a week or two. Check your BMR (Basal metabolic rate) calculators online. Basically this is the minimum amount of calories you need to survive/consume in a day at rest. Check your TDEE (Total daily energy expenditure.) This is the number of calories you are consuming through movement/exercise etc. Get a heart rate monitor and use this to provide a rough idea of how many calories you're burning through exercise. Lastly remember that 1 pound of fat is 453 grams and is approx 4000 calories you need to lose in a week (burning 500-600 a day more than you're consuming) . 9 calories per gram of Fat 4 calories per gram of Carbs 4 calories per gram of Protein Longer than I was planning to type but hope this hits home and helps, Max *** trigger warning *** Just a point. I already do these things (minus the heart rate monitor). I lost 2 stone during lockdown. I am still 2 stone down but am plateauing because my willpower is fading. Not because I'm lazy or because I want to be fat. If that were the case I wouldn't have spent most of my life (yes really, I started being put on diets by my parents from the age of 7) trying, and failing, to lose weight. Because what always happens is that a lifetime of a shitty relationship with food - starving, bingeing, purging, secret eating, obsession, addiction etc - and emotional connections to food and patterns of eating always catch up with me. My plateau started around the time that a lot of things in my life went to shit recently and is only being prolonged by how terrible I feel within myself at the moment. I am struggling every single day to persevere and stop myself putting back on everything I lost and starting back at square one yet again for what seems like the hundredth time. It's not as easy as "just lose weight". Your mind has to be in the right place. And even when you get it there, you have to work out how to keep yourself in that mental sweet spot until you reach the end of your weight loss journey. And every fucking thing is a trigger. I am happy that I have managed to lose some weight but by god is it stressful. It consumes my every waking moment, from choosing the right food to eat, to the anxiety and self hatred that comes after indulging/bingeing/skipping a workout, to the pressure I put on myself to be perfect every single day, leading me to inevitably fuck up. For me, and I suspect for many people in my position, there is no inbetween. It's "yay I'm losing weight but I'm miserable because it's stressful as fuck" or "shit I've gained weight and I'm miserable because my health is fucked and people keep telling me to just lose weight". It's not "eat less move more", CICO, or any of these things. It's "get your mind in order and keep it in order and the rest will follow". Unfortunately obesity is treated as a physical disorder when in my opinion it is 100% a mental disorder with physical side effects. I definitely agree that most weight disorders are mental and if your head just isn't in the right place,nothing works. I would love to just eat healthily and exercise more but I put mental barriers in my way and never quite know how to break them down "I wonder whether any of these people saying "just eat less" would also tell a depressed person to "just get over it" or a bipolar person to "just stop having mood swings" | |||
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"I try to eat healthily, limit my calorie intake and do a moderate amount of exercise and I still can't lose weight. The only things that have helped me lose are compulsive exercise or starvation and neither of those things are healthy. Go figure. I promise you, and I mean we'll when I say, you're not doing enough.. Some top tips (ex PT, Ex RAF) Use my fitness pal's calorie checker and scan the barcodes of everything you eat everyday for a week or two. Check your BMR (Basal metabolic rate) calculators online. Basically this is the minimum amount of calories you need to survive/consume in a day at rest. Check your TDEE (Total daily energy expenditure.) This is the number of calories you are consuming through movement/exercise etc. Get a heart rate monitor and use this to provide a rough idea of how many calories you're burning through exercise. Lastly remember that 1 pound of fat is 453 grams and is approx 4000 calories you need to lose in a week (burning 500-600 a day more than you're consuming) . 9 calories per gram of Fat 4 calories per gram of Carbs 4 calories per gram of Protein Longer than I was planning to type but hope this hits home and helps, Max *** trigger warning *** Just a point. I already do these things (minus the heart rate monitor). I lost 2 stone during lockdown. I am still 2 stone down but am plateauing because my willpower is fading. Not because I'm lazy or because I want to be fat. If that were the case I wouldn't have spent most of my life (yes really, I started being put on diets by my parents from the age of 7) trying, and failing, to lose weight. Because what always happens is that a lifetime of a shitty relationship with food - starving, bingeing, purging, secret eating, obsession, addiction etc - and emotional connections to food and patterns of eating always catch up with me. My plateau started around the time that a lot of things in my life went to shit recently and is only being prolonged by how terrible I feel within myself at the moment. I am struggling every single day to persevere and stop myself putting back on everything I lost and starting back at square one yet again for what seems like the hundredth time. It's not as easy as "just lose weight". Your mind has to be in the right place. And even when you get it there, you have to work out how to keep yourself in that mental sweet spot until you reach the end of your weight loss journey. And every fucking thing is a trigger. I am happy that I have managed to lose some weight but by god is it stressful. It consumes my every waking moment, from choosing the right food to eat, to the anxiety and self hatred that comes after indulging/bingeing/skipping a workout, to the pressure I put on myself to be perfect every single day, leading me to inevitably fuck up. For me, and I suspect for many people in my position, there is no inbetween. It's "yay I'm losing weight but I'm miserable because it's stressful as fuck" or "shit I've gained weight and I'm miserable because my health is fucked and people keep telling me to just lose weight". It's not "eat less move more", CICO, or any of these things. It's "get your mind in order and keep it in order and the rest will follow". Unfortunately obesity is treated as a physical disorder when in my opinion it is 100% a mental disorder with physical side effects. I definitely agree that most weight disorders are mental and if your head just isn't in the right place,nothing works. I would love to just eat healthily and exercise more but I put mental barriers in my way and never quite know how to break them down
I wonder whether any of these people saying "just eat less" would also tell a depressed person to "just get over it" or a bipolar person to "just stop having mood swings" "My mum has a "difficult" relationship with food. A doctor told her to "put less in your mouth and move about more". This wasn't helpful for several reasons but especially since she wasn't really overweight anyway. | |||
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"I try to eat healthily, limit my calorie intake and do a moderate amount of exercise and I still can't lose weight. The only things that have helped me lose are compulsive exercise or starvation and neither of those things are healthy. Go figure. I promise you, and I mean we'll when I say, you're not doing enough.. Some top tips (ex PT, Ex RAF) Use my fitness pal's calorie checker and scan the barcodes of everything you eat everyday for a week or two. Check your BMR (Basal metabolic rate) calculators online. Basically this is the minimum amount of calories you need to survive/consume in a day at rest. Check your TDEE (Total daily energy expenditure.) This is the number of calories you are consuming through movement/exercise etc. Get a heart rate monitor and use this to provide a rough idea of how many calories you're burning through exercise. Lastly remember that 1 pound of fat is 453 grams and is approx 4000 calories you need to lose in a week (burning 500-600 a day more than you're consuming) . 9 calories per gram of Fat 4 calories per gram of Carbs 4 calories per gram of Protein Longer than I was planning to type but hope this hits home and helps, Max *** trigger warning *** Just a point. I already do these things (minus the heart rate monitor). I lost 2 stone during lockdown. I am still 2 stone down but am plateauing because my willpower is fading. Not because I'm lazy or because I want to be fat. If that were the case I wouldn't have spent most of my life (yes really, I started being put on diets by my parents from the age of 7) trying, and failing, to lose weight. Because what always happens is that a lifetime of a shitty relationship with food - starving, bingeing, purging, secret eating, obsession, addiction etc - and emotional connections to food and patterns of eating always catch up with me. My plateau started around the time that a lot of things in my life went to shit recently and is only being prolonged by how terrible I feel within myself at the moment. I am struggling every single day to persevere and stop myself putting back on everything I lost and starting back at square one yet again for what seems like the hundredth time. It's not as easy as "just lose weight". Your mind has to be in the right place. And even when you get it there, you have to work out how to keep yourself in that mental sweet spot until you reach the end of your weight loss journey. And every fucking thing is a trigger. I am happy that I have managed to lose some weight but by god is it stressful. It consumes my every waking moment, from choosing the right food to eat, to the anxiety and self hatred that comes after indulging/bingeing/skipping a workout, to the pressure I put on myself to be perfect every single day, leading me to inevitably fuck up. For me, and I suspect for many people in my position, there is no inbetween. It's "yay I'm losing weight but I'm miserable because it's stressful as fuck" or "shit I've gained weight and I'm miserable because my health is fucked and people keep telling me to just lose weight". It's not "eat less move more", CICO, or any of these things. It's "get your mind in order and keep it in order and the rest will follow". Unfortunately obesity is treated as a physical disorder when in my opinion it is 100% a mental disorder with physical side effects. I definitely agree that most weight disorders are mental and if your head just isn't in the right place,nothing works. I would love to just eat healthily and exercise more but I put mental barriers in my way and never quite know how to break them down
I wonder whether any of these people saying "just eat less" would also tell a depressed person to "just get over it" or a bipolar person to "just stop having mood swings"
My mum has a "difficult" relationship with food. A doctor told her to "put less in your mouth and move about more". This wasn't helpful for several reasons but especially since she wasn't really overweight anyway. "Not being really over weight doesn't mean she isn't overweight, BMI over 25 means you should be putting a little less in your mouth. If you can't climb several flights of stairs without stopping for a breather then you should be moving about more. | |||
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"Weight loss is a complex matter, supporting the incredibly complex issues of people being overweight and obesity. Intelligent, broader solutions are going to be needed to create lasting changes, including some that many may not like. " It is... But having a govt policy to give people cheap junk calories isn't helping at all... They'd have been better off making it almost free for "healthy meals" and encourage providers to provide better menus and consumers a financial incentive to consume healthier meals.... Instead of eat out to help out.. Eat out healthy to help out... While at it they could, with permission and a tick box, have a dietician follow up for those that wanted it.... Its a challenging time but we could use it to make some meaningful changes. | |||
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"I know we liv a world of compete inconsistencies at the moment, but I did chuckle ... One week the Govt announces its war on obesity (not before time) and goes to town on junk food and nutritional rubbish and bans advertising etc. And the following week announces big discounts for eating out which all the junk food joints immediately jumped onto!!? R xx You can eat junk food without putting on weight, just don't eat too big a portion. Eat a whopper junior rather than a whopper. A hamburger instead of a Big Mac. Junk food doesn't make you fat, eating too much makes you fat." 1 rock of crack cocaine will not destroy your body either However due to the chemical effect on the brain that both crack and shite food have on the brain it's only just marginally easier to resist smoking crack than it is not to eat shite food Salt sugar/fat is nigh on irresistibly addictive morish The sooner its accepted that some products are not food they are designed to be addictive and should be classed as drugs | |||
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"I try to eat healthily, limit my calorie intake and do a moderate amount of exercise and I still can't lose weight. The only things that have helped me lose are compulsive exercise or starvation and neither of those things are healthy. Go figure. I promise you, and I mean we'll when I say, you're not doing enough.. Some top tips (ex PT, Ex RAF) Use my fitness pal's calorie checker and scan the barcodes of everything you eat everyday for a week or two. Check your BMR (Basal metabolic rate) calculators online. Basically this is the minimum amount of calories you need to survive/consume in a day at rest. Check your TDEE (Total daily energy expenditure.) This is the number of calories you are consuming through movement/exercise etc. Get a heart rate monitor and use this to provide a rough idea of how many calories you're burning through exercise. Lastly remember that 1 pound of fat is 453 grams and is approx 4000 calories you need to lose in a week (burning 500-600 a day more than you're consuming) . 9 calories per gram of Fat 4 calories per gram of Carbs 4 calories per gram of Protein Longer than I was planning to type but hope this hits home and helps, Max *** trigger warning *** Just a point. I already do these things (minus the heart rate monitor). I lost 2 stone during lockdown. I am still 2 stone down but am plateauing because my willpower is fading. Not because I'm lazy or because I want to be fat. If that were the case I wouldn't have spent most of my life (yes really, I started being put on diets by my parents from the age of 7) trying, and failing, to lose weight. Because what always happens is that a lifetime of a shitty relationship with food - starving, bingeing, purging, secret eating, obsession, addiction etc - and emotional connections to food and patterns of eating always catch up with me. My plateau started around the time that a lot of things in my life went to shit recently and is only being prolonged by how terrible I feel within myself at the moment. I am struggling every single day to persevere and stop myself putting back on everything I lost and starting back at square one yet again for what seems like the hundredth time. It's not as easy as "just lose weight". Your mind has to be in the right place. And even when you get it there, you have to work out how to keep yourself in that mental sweet spot until you reach the end of your weight loss journey. And every fucking thing is a trigger. I am happy that I have managed to lose some weight but by god is it stressful. It consumes my every waking moment, from choosing the right food to eat, to the anxiety and self hatred that comes after indulging/bingeing/skipping a workout, to the pressure I put on myself to be perfect every single day, leading me to inevitably fuck up. For me, and I suspect for many people in my position, there is no inbetween. It's "yay I'm losing weight but I'm miserable because it's stressful as fuck" or "shit I've gained weight and I'm miserable because my health is fucked and people keep telling me to just lose weight". It's not "eat less move more", CICO, or any of these things. It's "get your mind in order and keep it in order and the rest will follow". Unfortunately obesity is treated as a physical disorder when in my opinion it is 100% a mental disorder with physical side effects. I definitely agree that most weight disorders are mental and if your head just isn't in the right place,nothing works. I would love to just eat healthily and exercise more but I put mental barriers in my way and never quite know how to break them down
I wonder whether any of these people saying "just eat less" would also tell a depressed person to "just get over it" or a bipolar person to "just stop having mood swings"
My mum has a "difficult" relationship with food. A doctor told her to "put less in your mouth and move about more". This wasn't helpful for several reasons but especially since she wasn't really overweight anyway.
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"... However due to the chemical effect on the brain that both crack and shite food have on the brain it's only just marginally easier to resist smoking crack than it is not to eat shite food Salt sugar/fat is nigh on irresistibly addictive morish The sooner its accepted that some products are not food they are designed to be addictive and should be classed as drugs " Fat and sugar are a lethal combination. A study on rats found that they would eat fat or proteins until full but provide them with fat and sugar combo and their "full" regulator was switched off - they didn't stop eating. | |||
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"Weight loss is a complex matter,It really isnt, it is the diet industry that have made it so complex whilst it doesnt have to be, all it takes is to eat less and move more and over time the person will see changes." Another person who has no understanding of the complexities surrounding "dieting". I despair. | |||
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"Weight loss is a complex matter,It really isnt, it is the diet industry that have made it so complex whilst it doesnt have to be, all it takes is to eat less and move more and over time the person will see changes. Another person who has no understanding of the complexities surrounding "dieting". I despair. " Yes I do. I am into fitness and been doing it for years. I knows how weight loss works and what to do if you reach plateaus and so on. | |||
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"I know we liv a world of compete inconsistencies at the moment, but I did chuckle ... One week the Govt announces its war on obesity (not before time) and goes to town on junk food and nutritional rubbish and bans advertising etc. And the following week announces big discounts for eating out which all the junk food joints immediately jumped onto!!? R xx You can eat junk food without putting on weight, just don't eat too big a portion. Eat a whopper junior rather than a whopper. A hamburger instead of a Big Mac. Junk food doesn't make you fat, eating too much makes you fat. 1 rock of crack cocaine will not destroy your body either However due to the chemical effect on the brain that both crack and shite food have on the brain it's only just marginally easier to resist smoking crack than it is not to eat shite food Salt sugar/fat is nigh on irresistibly addictive morish The sooner its accepted that some products are not food they are designed to be addictive and should be classed as drugs " Junk food doesn't have to be any more addictive than healthy food. I like a Burger King Whopper which is bread, meat, tomato, onion and some mayo. What do is eat a whopper junior. Buying a Whopper XXL would only be necessary for a person climbing mount everest or riding the tour de France. It should be illegal to sell meals of more than 800 calories. What is particularly pernicious about the likes of Burger King and Macdonalds is that they sell meals that aren't to be shared. At least when Dominos sell a large pizza there is some justification as the slices can be shared between many people. When Burger King sell an XXL they don't cut it into pieces to share, they expect one person to eat 1500 calories. Then they try and sell you add ons as well! The problem with the food and drink industry is that they make their profit from making eat and drink as much as possible. They make you buy their product by making it sweeter or saltyer than the competitors' products. A consumer will say 'my home made bolognese doesn't taste as nice as Lloyd Grossman's bolognese sauce' but that is because his has loads of sugar added. The food and drink retailers need to pay for the damage they are doing. The sugar tax and minimum alcohol unit price are small steps in the right direction. | |||
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"Weight loss is a complex matter,It really isnt, it is the diet industry that have made it so complex whilst it doesnt have to be, all it takes is to eat less and move more and over time the person will see changes. Another person who has no understanding of the complexities surrounding "dieting". I despair. Yes I do. I am into fitness and been doing it for years. I knows how weight loss works and what to do if you reach plateaus and so on." When it comes to fitness, it really does look like he knows what he's talking about. Based on pics. Just saying. | |||
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"Weight loss is a complex matter,It really isnt, it is the diet industry that have made it so complex whilst it doesnt have to be, all it takes is to eat less and move more and over time the person will see changes. Another person who has no understanding of the complexities surrounding "dieting". I despair. Yes I do. I am into fitness and been doing it for years. I knows how weight loss works and what to do if you reach plateaus and so on. When it comes to fitness, it really does look like he knows what he's talking about. Based on pics. Just saying." Yes I have a fun saying that I go by "train and diet harder than the last time" | |||
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"I try to eat healthily, limit my calorie intake and do a moderate amount of exercise and I still can't lose weight. The only things that have helped me lose are compulsive exercise or starvation and neither of those things are healthy. Go figure. I promise you, and I mean we'll when I say, you're not doing enough.. Some top tips (ex PT, Ex RAF) Use my fitness pal's calorie checker and scan the barcodes of everything you eat everyday for a week or two. Check your BMR (Basal metabolic rate) calculators online. Basically this is the minimum amount of calories you need to survive/consume in a day at rest. Check your TDEE (Total daily energy expenditure.) This is the number of calories you are consuming through movement/exercise etc. Get a heart rate monitor and use this to provide a rough idea of how many calories you're burning through exercise. Lastly remember that 1 pound of fat is 453 grams and is approx 4000 calories you need to lose in a week (burning 500-600 a day more than you're consuming) . 9 calories per gram of Fat 4 calories per gram of Carbs 4 calories per gram of Protein Longer than I was planning to type but hope this hits home and helps, Max *** trigger warning *** Just a point. I already do these things (minus the heart rate monitor). I lost 2 stone during lockdown. I am still 2 stone down but am plateauing because my willpower is fading. Not because I'm lazy or because I want to be fat. If that were the case I wouldn't have spent most of my life (yes really, I started being put on diets by my parents from the age of 7) trying, and failing, to lose weight. Because what always happens is that a lifetime of a shitty relationship with food - starving, bingeing, purging, secret eating, obsession, addiction etc - and emotional connections to food and patterns of eating always catch up with me. My plateau started around the time that a lot of things in my life went to shit recently and is only being prolonged by how terrible I feel within myself at the moment. I am struggling every single day to persevere and stop myself putting back on everything I lost and starting back at square one yet again for what seems like the hundredth time. It's not as easy as "just lose weight". Your mind has to be in the right place. And even when you get it there, you have to work out how to keep yourself in that mental sweet spot until you reach the end of your weight loss journey. And every fucking thing is a trigger. I am happy that I have managed to lose some weight but by god is it stressful. It consumes my every waking moment, from choosing the right food to eat, to the anxiety and self hatred that comes after indulging/bingeing/skipping a workout, to the pressure I put on myself to be perfect every single day, leading me to inevitably fuck up. For me, and I suspect for many people in my position, there is no inbetween. It's "yay I'm losing weight but I'm miserable because it's stressful as fuck" or "shit I've gained weight and I'm miserable because my health is fucked and people keep telling me to just lose weight". It's not "eat less move more", CICO, or any of these things. It's "get your mind in order and keep it in order and the rest will follow". Unfortunately obesity is treated as a physical disorder when in my opinion it is 100% a mental disorder with physical side effects. I definitely agree that most weight disorders are mental and if your head just isn't in the right place,nothing works. I would love to just eat healthily and exercise more but I put mental barriers in my way and never quite know how to break them down
I wonder whether any of these people saying "just eat less" would also tell a depressed person to "just get over it" or a bipolar person to "just stop having mood swings"
My mum has a "difficult" relationship with food. A doctor told her to "put less in your mouth and move about more". This wasn't helpful for several reasons but especially since she wasn't really overweight anyway.
Not being really over weight doesn't mean she isn't overweight, BMI over 25 means you should be putting a little less in your mouth. If you can't climb several flights of stairs without stopping for a breather then you should be moving about more.
BMI is not a good indicator of appropriate weight in the elderly. Old people will have lost muscle mass and bone density.
There are health conditions that could cause people "to need a breather". Please, please stop with the "advice". "BMI is a good indicator for the elderly, however the range is different. Whilst for an adult under 65 18.5 - 25 is optimal, over 65 23 - 30 appears to be the sweet spot. Sure there are health conditions that can make you breathless, most of which are lifestyle related, few are not. | |||
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" Not being really over weight doesn't mean she isn't overweight, BMI over 25 means you should be putting a little less in your mouth. If you can't climb several flights of stairs without stopping for a breather then you should be moving about more. " BMI is a really bad scale to use. For instance my BMI is 31.6, that's clinically obese, take a look at my photos, I'm clearly not. However I am very heavy despite the low body fat and i have wondered if this puts me at greater risk from Covid? | |||
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"Weight loss is a complex matter,It really isnt, it is the diet industry that have made it so complex whilst it doesnt have to be, all it takes is to eat less and move more and over time the person will see changes. Another person who has no understanding of the complexities surrounding "dieting". I despair. Yes I do. I am into fitness and been doing it for years. I knows how weight loss works and what to do if you reach plateaus and so on." So you understand weight loss as a product of your experience? | |||
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"Weight loss is a complex matter,It really isnt, it is the diet industry that have made it so complex whilst it doesnt have to be, all it takes is to eat less and move more and over time the person will see changes. Another person who has no understanding of the complexities surrounding "dieting". I despair. Yes I do. I am into fitness and been doing it for years. I knows how weight loss works and what to do if you reach plateaus and so on." If you knew how it worked then you would understand there’s a lot more to it than eat less and move more  .. | |||
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"Weight loss is a complex matter,It really isnt, it is the diet industry that have made it so complex whilst it doesnt have to be, all it takes is to eat less and move more and over time the person will see changes. Another person who has no understanding of the complexities surrounding "dieting". I despair. Yes I do. I am into fitness and been doing it for years. I knows how weight loss works and what to do if you reach plateaus and so on. When it comes to fitness, it really does look like he knows what he's talking about. Based on pics. Just saying." One person's experience is simply that - it takes into account his sex, his age, his health status (including mental), his relationship with food, his metabolism, his knowledge of how nutrients (carbs, proteins etc) affect his body, his ability to acquire the right food... He cannot then apply it to every other person alive. | |||
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"Weight loss is a complex matter,It really isnt, it is the diet industry that have made it so complex whilst it doesnt have to be, all it takes is to eat less and move more and over time the person will see changes. Another person who has no understanding of the complexities surrounding "dieting". I despair. Yes I do. I am into fitness and been doing it for years. I knows how weight loss works and what to do if you reach plateaus and so on. So you understand weight loss as a product of your experience? " Yes I do as I do summer shredding to get to low body fat percentages from a higher one. I do this every year. | |||
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"Weight loss is a complex matter,It really isnt, it is the diet industry that have made it so complex whilst it doesnt have to be, all it takes is to eat less and move more and over time the person will see changes. Another person who has no understanding of the complexities surrounding "dieting". I despair. Yes I do. I am into fitness and been doing it for years. I knows how weight loss works and what to do if you reach plateaus and so on.If you knew how it worked then you would understand there’s a lot more to it than eat less and move more .."Yes there are ofcourse othe variables as well that plays into it. | |||
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"Weight loss is a complex matter,It really isnt, it is the diet industry that have made it so complex whilst it doesnt have to be, all it takes is to eat less and move more and over time the person will see changes. Another person who has no understanding of the complexities surrounding "dieting". I despair. Yes I do. I am into fitness and been doing it for years. I knows how weight loss works and what to do if you reach plateaus and so on. So you understand weight loss as a product of your experience? Yes I do as I do summer shredding to get to low body fat percentages from a higher one. I do this every year." Exactly my point - your experience. | |||
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"Weight loss is a complex matter,It really isnt, it is the diet industry that have made it so complex whilst it doesnt have to be, all it takes is to eat less and move more and over time the person will see changes. Another person who has no understanding of the complexities surrounding "dieting". I despair. Yes I do. I am into fitness and been doing it for years. I knows how weight loss works and what to do if you reach plateaus and so on. So you understand weight loss as a product of your experience? Yes I do as I do summer shredding to get to low body fat percentages from a higher one. I do this every year. Exactly my point - your experience. " Yes but it kind of is the same principle. | |||
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"I try to eat healthily, limit my calorie intake and do a moderate amount of exercise and I still can't lose weight. The only things that have helped me lose are compulsive exercise or starvation and neither of those things are healthy. Go figure. I promise you, and I mean we'll when I say, you're not doing enough.. Some top tips (ex PT, Ex RAF) Use my fitness pal's calorie checker and scan the barcodes of everything you eat everyday for a week or two. Check your BMR (Basal metabolic rate) calculators online. Basically this is the minimum amount of calories you need to survive/consume in a day at rest. Check your TDEE (Total daily energy expenditure.) This is the number of calories you are consuming through movement/exercise etc. Get a heart rate monitor and use this to provide a rough idea of how many calories you're burning through exercise. Lastly remember that 1 pound of fat is 453 grams and is approx 4000 calories you need to lose in a week (burning 500-600 a day more than you're consuming) . 9 calories per gram of Fat 4 calories per gram of Carbs 4 calories per gram of Protein Longer than I was planning to type but hope this hits home and helps, Max *** trigger warning *** Just a point. I already do these things (minus the heart rate monitor). I lost 2 stone during lockdown. I am still 2 stone down but am plateauing because my willpower is fading. Not because I'm lazy or because I want to be fat. If that were the case I wouldn't have spent most of my life (yes really, I started being put on diets by my parents from the age of 7) trying, and failing, to lose weight. Because what always happens is that a lifetime of a shitty relationship with food - starving, bingeing, purging, secret eating, obsession, addiction etc - and emotional connections to food and patterns of eating always catch up with me. My plateau started around the time that a lot of things in my life went to shit recently and is only being prolonged by how terrible I feel within myself at the moment. I am struggling every single day to persevere and stop myself putting back on everything I lost and starting back at square one yet again for what seems like the hundredth time. It's not as easy as "just lose weight". Your mind has to be in the right place. And even when you get it there, you have to work out how to keep yourself in that mental sweet spot until you reach the end of your weight loss journey. And every fucking thing is a trigger. I am happy that I have managed to lose some weight but by god is it stressful. It consumes my every waking moment, from choosing the right food to eat, to the anxiety and self hatred that comes after indulging/bingeing/skipping a workout, to the pressure I put on myself to be perfect every single day, leading me to inevitably fuck up. For me, and I suspect for many people in my position, there is no inbetween. It's "yay I'm losing weight but I'm miserable because it's stressful as fuck" or "shit I've gained weight and I'm miserable because my health is fucked and people keep telling me to just lose weight". It's not "eat less move more", CICO, or any of these things. It's "get your mind in order and keep it in order and the rest will follow". Unfortunately obesity is treated as a physical disorder when in my opinion it is 100% a mental disorder with physical side effects. I definitely agree that most weight disorders are mental and if your head just isn't in the right place,nothing works. I would love to just eat healthily and exercise more but I put mental barriers in my way and never quite know how to break them down
I wonder whether any of these people saying "just eat less" would also tell a depressed person to "just get over it" or a bipolar person to "just stop having mood swings"
My mum has a "difficult" relationship with food. A doctor told her to "put less in your mouth and move about more". This wasn't helpful for several reasons but especially since she wasn't really overweight anyway.
Not being really over weight doesn't mean she isn't overweight, BMI over 25 means you should be putting a little less in your mouth. If you can't climb several flights of stairs without stopping for a breather then you should be moving about more. "My mother broke her back 10 years ago , she would be thrilled to be able to climb the stairs. If you can perfoem this miracle do contact me. | |||
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"... BMI over 25 means you should be putting a little less in your mouth. If you can't climb several flights of stairs without stopping for a breather then you should be moving about more. BMI is not a good indicator of appropriate weight in the elderly. Old people will have lost muscle mass and bone density. There are health conditions that could cause people "to need a breather". Please, please stop with the "advice". BMI is a good indicator for the elderly, however the range is different. Whilst for an adult under 65 18.5 - 25 is optimal, over 65 23 - 30 appears to be the sweet spot. Sure there are health conditions that can make you breathless, most of which are lifestyle related, few are not. " Source your elderly BMI because from where I'm standing I'd say that from looking at a patient, asking questions, and measuring the bmi i would be able to state what category an elderly person should be in a 30 bmi for one 75 year old would be obese, for another overweight, and for another just right. A sweet spot my arse. It's just like the other end of the scale underweight - under 18.5 would not necessarily be an indicator of undernutrition due to muscle mass and bone density loss. But clinical experience alerts me many are so my assessment continues far beyond the simple measurement. | |||
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"Weight loss is a complex matter,It really isnt, it is the diet industry that have made it so complex whilst it doesnt have to be, all it takes is to eat less and move more and over time the person will see changes. Another person who has no understanding of the complexities surrounding "dieting". I despair. Yes I do. I am into fitness and been doing it for years. I knows how weight loss works and what to do if you reach plateaus and so on. So you understand weight loss as a product of your experience? Yes I do as I do summer shredding to get to low body fat percentages from a higher one. I do this every year. Exactly my point - your experience. Yes but it kind of is the same principle." For many yes, but for all - not a bloody chance. Simples | |||
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"Weight loss is a complex matter,It really isnt, it is the diet industry that have made it so complex whilst it doesnt have to be, all it takes is to eat less and move more and over time the person will see changes. Another person who has no understanding of the complexities surrounding "dieting". I despair. Yes I do. I am into fitness and been doing it for years. I knows how weight loss works and what to do if you reach plateaus and so on. So you understand weight loss as a product of your experience? Yes I do as I do summer shredding to get to low body fat percentages from a higher one. I do this every year. Exactly my point - your experience. Yes but it kind of is the same principle. For many yes, but for all - not a bloody chance. Simples "Yes it is hard work and patience is the key that is why I advocate flexible dieting as it is doesnt feel like dieting this way, it makes it fun as you can enjoy all the food groups  | |||
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"... BMI over 25 means you should be putting a little less in your mouth. If you can't climb several flights of stairs without stopping for a breather then you should be moving about more. BMI is not a good indicator of appropriate weight in the elderly. Old people will have lost muscle mass and bone density. There are health conditions that could cause people "to need a breather". Please, please stop with the "advice". BMI is a good indicator for the elderly, however the range is different. Whilst for an adult under 65 18.5 - 25 is optimal, over 65 23 - 30 appears to be the sweet spot. Sure there are health conditions that can make you breathless, most of which are lifestyle related, few are not. Source your elderly BMI because from where I'm standing I'd say that from looking at a patient, asking questions, and measuring the bmi i would be able to state what category an elderly person should be in a 30 bmi for one 75 year old would be obese, for another overweight, and for another just right. A sweet spot my arse. It's just like the other end of the scale underweight - under 18.5 would not necessarily be an indicator of undernutrition due to muscle mass and bone density loss. But clinical experience alerts me many are so my assessment continues far beyond the simple measurement. " Search 'BMI and all-cause mortality in older adults: a meta-analysis' for the study. Search 'BMI in the Elderly: What You Need to Know' which gives more detail of the study without having to buy the paper. | |||
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"Weight loss is a complex matter,It really isnt, it is the diet industry that have made it so complex whilst it doesnt have to be, all it takes is to eat less and move more and over time the person will see changes. Another person who has no understanding of the complexities surrounding "dieting". I despair. Yes I do. I am into fitness and been doing it for years. I knows how weight loss works and what to do if you reach plateaus and so on. So you understand weight loss as a product of your experience? Yes I do as I do summer shredding to get to low body fat percentages from a higher one. I do this every year. Exactly my point - your experience. Yes but it kind of is the same principle. For many yes, but for all - not a bloody chance. Simples Yes it is hard work and patience is the key that is why I advocate flexible dieting as it is doesnt feel like dieting this way, it makes it fun as you can enjoy all the food groups "So what would you suggest for someone who has very little mobility and needs a wheelchair then Shag? | |||
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"... BMI over 25 means you should be putting a little less in your mouth. If you can't climb several flights of stairs without stopping for a breather then you should be moving about more. BMI is not a good indicator of appropriate weight in the elderly. Old people will have lost muscle mass and bone density. There are health conditions that could cause people "to need a breather". Please, please stop with the "advice". BMI is a good indicator for the elderly, however the range is different. Whilst for an adult under 65 18.5 - 25 is optimal, over 65 23 - 30 appears to be the sweet spot. Sure there are health conditions that can make you breathless, most of which are lifestyle related, few are not. Source your elderly BMI because from where I'm standing I'd say that from looking at a patient, asking questions, and measuring the bmi i would be able to state what category an elderly person should be in a 30 bmi for one 75 year old would be obese, for another overweight, and for another just right. A sweet spot my arse. It's just like the other end of the scale underweight - under 18.5 would not necessarily be an indicator of undernutrition due to muscle mass and bone density loss. But clinical experience alerts me many are so my assessment continues far beyond the simple measurement. Search 'BMI and all-cause mortality in older adults: a meta-analysis' for the study. Search 'BMI in the Elderly: What You Need to Know' which gives more detail of the study without having to buy the paper. " I can access research for free thanks. I'll have a gander. But guess what, it will not dispute what I have stated. Anyone who is familiar with the BMI as a tool, understands its weaknesses but still advocate it with clinical experience/knowledge. Used alone it is not appropriate for the elderly, children, and those muscle-bound bods. | |||
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"... BMI over 25 means you should be putting a little less in your mouth. If you can't climb several flights of stairs without stopping for a breather then you should be moving about more. BMI is not a good indicator of appropriate weight in the elderly. Old people will have lost muscle mass and bone density. There are health conditions that could cause people "to need a breather". Please, please stop with the "advice". BMI is a good indicator for the elderly, however the range is different. Whilst for an adult under 65 18.5 - 25 is optimal, over 65 23 - 30 appears to be the sweet spot. Sure there are health conditions that can make you breathless, most of which are lifestyle related, few are not. Source your elderly BMI because from where I'm standing I'd say that from looking at a patient, asking questions, and measuring the bmi i would be able to state what category an elderly person should be in a 30 bmi for one 75 year old would be obese, for another overweight, and for another just right. A sweet spot my arse. It's just like the other end of the scale underweight - under 18.5 would not necessarily be an indicator of undernutrition due to muscle mass and bone density loss. But clinical experience alerts me many are so my assessment continues far beyond the simple measurement. Search 'BMI and all-cause mortality in older adults: a meta-analysis' for the study. Search 'BMI in the Elderly: What You Need to Know' which gives more detail of the study without having to buy the paper. I can access research for free thanks. I'll have a gander. But guess what, it will not dispute what I have stated. Anyone who is familiar with the BMI as a tool, understands its weaknesses but still advocate it with clinical experience/knowledge. Used alone it is not appropriate for the elderly, children, and those muscle-bound bods. " My doctor told me to ignore bmi as it’s outdated and not a good indication on if your obese or not .. | |||
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"... BMI over 25 means you should be putting a little less in your mouth. If you can't climb several flights of stairs without stopping for a breather then you should be moving about more. BMI is not a good indicator of appropriate weight in the elderly. Old people will have lost muscle mass and bone density. There are health conditions that could cause people "to need a breather". Please, please stop with the "advice". BMI is a good indicator for the elderly, however the range is different. Whilst for an adult under 65 18.5 - 25 is optimal, over 65 23 - 30 appears to be the sweet spot. Sure there are health conditions that can make you breathless, most of which are lifestyle related, few are not. Source your elderly BMI because from where I'm standing I'd say that from looking at a patient, asking questions, and measuring the bmi i would be able to state what category an elderly person should be in a 30 bmi for one 75 year old would be obese, for another overweight, and for another just right. A sweet spot my arse. It's just like the other end of the scale underweight - under 18.5 would not necessarily be an indicator of undernutrition due to muscle mass and bone density loss. But clinical experience alerts me many are so my assessment continues far beyond the simple measurement. Search 'BMI and all-cause mortality in older adults: a meta-analysis' for the study. Search 'BMI in the Elderly: What You Need to Know' which gives more detail of the study without having to buy the paper. " Limitations to the study was analysis for mortality. It was found that weight changes were actually more relevant to mortality than the bmi. Funny that, that it relies upon clinical experience (further assessments via questioning and observation). | |||
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"... BMI over 25 means you should be putting a little less in your mouth. If you can't climb several flights of stairs without stopping for a breather then you should be moving about more. BMI is not a good indicator of appropriate weight in the elderly. Old people will have lost muscle mass and bone density. There are health conditions that could cause people "to need a breather". Please, please stop with the "advice". BMI is a good indicator for the elderly, however the range is different. Whilst for an adult under 65 18.5 - 25 is optimal, over 65 23 - 30 appears to be the sweet spot. Sure there are health conditions that can make you breathless, most of which are lifestyle related, few are not. Source your elderly BMI because from where I'm standing I'd say that from looking at a patient, asking questions, and measuring the bmi i would be able to state what category an elderly person should be in a 30 bmi for one 75 year old would be obese, for another overweight, and for another just right. A sweet spot my arse. It's just like the other end of the scale underweight - under 18.5 would not necessarily be an indicator of undernutrition due to muscle mass and bone density loss. But clinical experience alerts me many are so my assessment continues far beyond the simple measurement. Search 'BMI and all-cause mortality in older adults: a meta-analysis' for the study. Search 'BMI in the Elderly: What You Need to Know' which gives more detail of the study without having to buy the paper. I can access research for free thanks. I'll have a gander. But guess what, it will not dispute what I have stated. Anyone who is familiar with the BMI as a tool, understands its weaknesses but still advocate it with clinical experience/knowledge. Used alone it is not appropriate for the elderly, children, and those muscle-bound bods. My doctor told me to ignore bmi as it’s outdated and not a good indication on if your obese or not .." It's a worthy tool in the right hands. It's actually foolish for your gp to state that as NICE use the measurement in their guidelines of whether to promote free WW sessions, use of drugs, use of surgery. | |||
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"Weight loss is a complex matter,It really isnt, it is the diet industry that have made it so complex whilst it doesnt have to be, all it takes is to eat less and move more and over time the person will see changes. Another person who has no understanding of the complexities surrounding "dieting". I despair. Yes I do. I am into fitness and been doing it for years. I knows how weight loss works and what to do if you reach plateaus and so on. So you understand weight loss as a product of your experience? Yes I do as I do summer shredding to get to low body fat percentages from a higher one. I do this every year. Exactly my point - your experience. Yes but it kind of is the same principle." No it is not. You do it because you want to look a certain way. Most obese people are doing it to sort their health out and not "get shredded" on a yearly basis. The reason I have got to where I am is because of a mental struggle, not laziness, not greed, not an unwillingness to "jUsT eAt lEsS aNd mOVe moRe dUhHH". I have abused food all my life, used it as punishment, as reward, as an addiction. It has been my reason for living and my reason for wanting to die simultaneously. To then try and turn that around after 20 years and develop a healthier relationship with food is not "the same principle", trust me. Tell me, did you struggle with food at all before you got into fitness? | |||
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"Weight loss is a complex matter,It really isnt, it is the diet industry that have made it so complex whilst it doesnt have to be, all it takes is to eat less and move more and over time the person will see changes. Another person who has no understanding of the complexities surrounding "dieting". I despair. Yes I do. I am into fitness and been doing it for years. I knows how weight loss works and what to do if you reach plateaus and so on. So you understand weight loss as a product of your experience? Yes I do as I do summer shredding to get to low body fat percentages from a higher one. I do this every year. Exactly my point - your experience. Yes but it kind of is the same principle. For many yes, but for all - not a bloody chance. Simples Yes it is hard work and patience is the key that is why I advocate flexible dieting as it is doesnt feel like dieting this way, it makes it fun as you can enjoy all the food groups
So what would you suggest for someone who has very little mobility and needs a wheelchair then Shag? "I would first of all look at the diet to see if I could change anything and then go from there and test the new change for a week, then after a week if the scale is the same lower the calories abit, what type of diet is it and what foods do the person normal have? | |||
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"Weight loss is a complex matter,It really isnt, it is the diet industry that have made it so complex whilst it doesnt have to be, all it takes is to eat less and move more and over time the person will see changes. Another person who has no understanding of the complexities surrounding "dieting". I despair. Yes I do. I am into fitness and been doing it for years. I knows how weight loss works and what to do if you reach plateaus and so on. So you understand weight loss as a product of your experience? Yes I do as I do summer shredding to get to low body fat percentages from a higher one. I do this every year. Exactly my point - your experience. Yes but it kind of is the same principle. No it is not. You do it because you want to look a certain way. Most obese people are doing it to sort their health out and not "get shredded" on a yearly basis. The reason I have got to where I am is because of a mental struggle, not laziness, not greed, not an unwillingness to "jUsT eAt lEsS aNd mOVe moRe dUhHH". I have abused food all my life, used it as punishment, as reward, as an addiction. It has been my reason for living and my reason for wanting to die simultaneously. To then try and turn that around after 20 years and develop a healthier relationship with food is not "the same principle", trust me. Tell me, did you struggle with food at all before you got into fitness? " That is right but someone that want to lose weight also want too look a certain way and no I have never really struggled with food before hand and yes that would make dieting easier as well. | |||
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"Weight loss is a complex matter,It really isnt, it is the diet industry that have made it so complex whilst it doesnt have to be, all it takes is to eat less and move more and over time the person will see changes. Another person who has no understanding of the complexities surrounding "dieting". I despair. Yes I do. I am into fitness and been doing it for years. I knows how weight loss works and what to do if you reach plateaus and so on. So you understand weight loss as a product of your experience? Yes I do as I do summer shredding to get to low body fat percentages from a higher one. I do this every year. Exactly my point - your experience. Yes but it kind of is the same principle. For many yes, but for all - not a bloody chance. Simples Yes it is hard work and patience is the key that is why I advocate flexible dieting as it is doesnt feel like dieting this way, it makes it fun as you can enjoy all the food groups
So what would you suggest for someone who has very little mobility and needs a wheelchair then Shag? I would first of all look at the diet to see if I could change anything and then go from there and test the new change for a week, then after a week if the scale is the same lower the calories abit, what type of diet is it and what foods do the person normal have?"Do you think that quality of life could be more important than weight in some cases? A paramedic was telling my mum off for eating a sweet once because it would affect her blood sugar level. She's knocking on 90, has severe mobility issues and heart failure. What was the effing point? I asked him politely to leave it alone, her life is limited enough and she's unlikely to live long enough for her blood sugar to be of any concern to anyone. My point is that the medical profession and "experts" need to look at the person not the scales and adjust their attitude accordingly. One size does not fit all | |||
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"... My point is that the medical profession and "experts" need to look at the person not the scales and adjust their attitude accordingly. One size does not fit all " Absobloodylutely | |||
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"Weight loss is a complex matter,It really isnt, it is the diet industry that have made it so complex whilst it doesnt have to be, all it takes is to eat less and move more and over time the person will see changes." The issues of people being overweight and obeese are complex problems though. The causes and drivers of them becoming even worse are often wanted to be simplistic but are tied up with a huge range of aspects of our culture, personal lifestyles, psychology and a lot more. Some of the weightloss industry thrives on their simplistic fixes not causing substantial lasting changes too and this sadly can create and entrench yo-yo weightloss and damaged selfesteem, amongst other negative outcomes for many. Beware the snake oil sellers, with an easy solution to complex problems. This is not a criticism of you Shag, you know me well enough that I will always be very direct. | |||
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"I’m a curvy girl, I’m sure most of you slim/ skinny people would class me as a whopper! I don’t care, I’m me. I’m sure the virus isnt going to go “ oh look Becky is slim, Gloria is fat, let’s go attack Gloria’ Talk about making bigger feel awful What a silly answer. The virus doesn’t think about who you are. It’s just more successful in what it does because obese people’s immune systems are less efficient at fighting it due to their excess weight It’s not a matter of right or wrong or fat shaming or anything personal. It’s just the way this virus is. Don’t get upset. Just lose weight. " It also effects men worse than women ! | |||
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"Weight loss is a complex matter,It really isnt, it is the diet industry that have made it so complex whilst it doesnt have to be, all it takes is to eat less and move more and over time the person will see changes. Another person who has no understanding of the complexities surrounding "dieting". I despair. Yes I do. I am into fitness and been doing it for years. I knows how weight loss works and what to do if you reach plateaus and so on. So you understand weight loss as a product of your experience? Yes I do as I do summer shredding to get to low body fat percentages from a higher one. I do this every year. Exactly my point - your experience. Yes but it kind of is the same principle. For many yes, but for all - not a bloody chance. Simples Yes it is hard work and patience is the key that is why I advocate flexible dieting as it is doesnt feel like dieting this way, it makes it fun as you can enjoy all the food groups
So what would you suggest for someone who has very little mobility and needs a wheelchair then Shag? I would first of all look at the diet to see if I could change anything and then go from there and test the new change for a week, then after a week if the scale is the same lower the calories abit, what type of diet is it and what foods do the person normal have?
Do you think that quality of life could be more important than weight in some cases?
A paramedic was telling my mum off for eating a sweet once because it would affect her blood sugar level. She's knocking on 90, has severe mobility issues and heart failure. What was the effing point? I asked him politely to leave it alone, her life is limited enough and she's unlikely to live long enough for her blood sugar to be of any concern to anyone.
My point is that the medical profession and "experts" need to look at the person not the scales and adjust their attitude accordingly. One size does not fit all "That is right and at the end of the day it comes down to the person as to how important it is and yes the quality of life will be effected as you will restrict food in order to achieve the goal, like for myself. I diet hard and I have cut out alot of things in order to achieve my goal, for me it is worth it. | |||
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"I was an archetypal overweight ‘I’m happy it won’t happen to me’ person. I ate all the wrong stuff, I drank all the wrong stuff and did bugger all exercise ... I was comfortable and I was ‘happy’. I won’t go into the detail here, but 4 years ago I had a ‘moderate’ health scare which made me realise what an idiot I had been and needed to do something about it ... if I was to (hopefully) live as long as I could . I then went on the ‘no shit’ diet... which is basically .. Don’t eat shit ... you know what is rubbish - avoid it! Don’t drink shit ... you know what ls bad for you - avoid it Do shit loads of ‘phys’ ... as in take up exercise - and an exercise you enjoy (or you won’t stick at at it) and do it! I lost 6st in less than a year - I didn’t need to go and get weighed once a week, or someone to give me a ‘diet plan’ (it’s bloody obvious). I could find half an hour / or an hour (often more coz I enjoyed it) to do a bit of exercise 3/4 times a week. This wasn’t a short term ‘diet’ this was change of lifestyle ... which is now permanent for me. I am now consistently healthier, slimmer and fitter than I had been for many years .... some people just don’t want to accept what is glaringly obvious here or stares them in the face! R xxx" I'm glad you found what worked for YOU. | |||
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"Weight loss is a complex matter,It really isnt, it is the diet industry that have made it so complex whilst it doesnt have to be, all it takes is to eat less and move more and over time the person will see changes. Another person who has no understanding of the complexities surrounding "dieting". I despair. Yes I do. I am into fitness and been doing it for years. I knows how weight loss works and what to do if you reach plateaus and so on. So you understand weight loss as a product of your experience? Yes I do as I do summer shredding to get to low body fat percentages from a higher one. I do this every year. Exactly my point - your experience. Yes but it kind of is the same principle. For many yes, but for all - not a bloody chance. Simples Yes it is hard work and patience is the key that is why I advocate flexible dieting as it is doesnt feel like dieting this way, it makes it fun as you can enjoy all the food groups
So what would you suggest for someone who has very little mobility and needs a wheelchair then Shag? "Was this aimed at me, Nicecouple?!
I'd say, join a wheelchair basketball team, train hard, crash into people, fall out of your chair, break a few fingers and make some ace friends. You'll probably lose weight AND feel happier 
In all seriousness, many people who use wheelchairs could do more exercise, BUT many gyms refuse to have wheelchair users train due to alleged "health and safety" aka we can't be arsed helping you. It's hard to find a gym and a PT who a) cares and b) knows enough to help you safely.
Then we have the issue of cost. I'm lucky enough to be borrowing a club sports chair. It's far too big in the back and restricts my movement but I can't afford £3000 for a custom chair. Sports wheelchairs are insanely expensive, so to play what for able bodied players is a cheap sport that you see in inner city estates all the time (basketball), you actually need a lot of money. Also I can't use the gym unassisted, so I have to pay for a PT to work with me. I can't move 20kg barbell to the rack, but I can recline and lift it, plus weights. That also costs money.
Most of the exercise classes suggested by the NHS are a) totally unadapted for disabled people and b) during the day. Disabled people also work.
Its not as ea as people, including doctors, think. I do a LOT of wheelchair exercise. In addition to the basketball, I push 5k or 10k regularly with a running club. But I am only using my shoulders, arms and upper back. The biggest muscles in my body (gluteus and quads) aren't being used and you can push 10k in a chair even if you have no trunk control eg due to spinal cord injury. You just strap in. No matter how far or hard I push, I am exercising relatively small muscles so the benefits in terms of fat burning is far less than someone who runs uphill.
Its fucking hard to push uphill even slowly in a chair. It fucking hurts - my shoulders feel the burn almost immediately because they simply are not designed to move like that. People running on treadmills etc are at least performing a natural function (running). Most wheelchair users, even those who don't do crazy shit, end up with damaged rotator cuffs due to strain on a small muscle group.
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Bmi has always been on the list for those who need to proactive string social distancing. Why now is it being pushed in the news?! | |||
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"My GP gave me free access to various diet and exercises classes/clubs. However they were all week day, daytime classes so impossible for me to go too as i work then. This is a problem, yes. Same issue with anything about disability. Presumably overweight and disabled people don't have jobs? "This overweight, disabled person does have a job | |||
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"Weight loss is a complex matter,It really isnt, it is the diet industry that have made it so complex whilst it doesnt have to be, all it takes is to eat less and move more and over time the person will see changes. Another person who has no understanding of the complexities surrounding "dieting". I despair. Yes I do. I am into fitness and been doing it for years. I knows how weight loss works and what to do if you reach plateaus and so on. So you understand weight loss as a product of your experience? Yes I do as I do summer shredding to get to low body fat percentages from a higher one. I do this every year. Exactly my point - your experience. Yes but it kind of is the same principle. For many yes, but for all - not a bloody chance. Simples Yes it is hard work and patience is the key that is why I advocate flexible dieting as it is doesnt feel like dieting this way, it makes it fun as you can enjoy all the food groups
So what would you suggest for someone who has very little mobility and needs a wheelchair then Shag? I would first of all look at the diet to see if I could change anything and then go from there and test the new change for a week, then after a week if the scale is the same lower the calories abit, what type of diet is it and what foods do the person normal have?
Do you think that quality of life could be more important than weight in some cases?
A paramedic was telling my mum off for eating a sweet once because it would affect her blood sugar level. She's knocking on 90, has severe mobility issues and heart failure. What was the effing point? I asked him politely to leave it alone, her life is limited enough and she's unlikely to live long enough for her blood sugar to be of any concern to anyone.
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"My GP gave me free access to various diet and exercises classes/clubs. However they were all week day, daytime classes so impossible for me to go too as i work then. This is a problem, yes. Same issue with anything about disability. Presumably overweight and disabled people don't have jobs?
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Yup, so does this one. Full time working wheelchair woman here " I'm not working full time in paid employment but i also look after a grandchild one day, that's my fav day it's also the hardest | |||
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"My GP gave me free access to various diet and exercises classes/clubs. However they were all week day, daytime classes so impossible for me to go too as i work then. This is a problem, yes. Same issue with anything about disability. Presumably overweight and disabled people don't have jobs?
This overweight, disabled person does have a job
Yup, so does this one. Full time working wheelchair woman here
I'm not working full time in paid employment but i also look after a grandchild one day, that's my fav day it's also the hardest "I'm sure it's the most rewarding day too. I'm too young for grandchildren - if our son gets busy any time soon, I will be mighty displeased. He's 18 next week  | |||
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"My GP gave me free access to various diet and exercises classes/clubs. However they were all week day, daytime classes so impossible for me to go too as i work then. This is a problem, yes. Same issue with anything about disability. Presumably overweight and disabled people don't have jobs?
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Yup, so does this one. Full time working wheelchair woman here
I'm not working full time in paid employment but i also look after a grandchild one day, that's my fav day it's also the hardest
I'm sure it's the most rewarding day too. I'm too young for grandchildren - if our son gets busy any time soon, I will be mighty displeased. He's 18 next week " | |||
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"Seriously under weight people are high risk as much as overwieght but that doesn't seem to make the headlines!" Because more than 60% of people are overweigh, about 2% are underweight. | |||
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"I consider myself lucky to have survived my life so far and, overcome alot of shit. There were times I considered suicide. For me, being fat is absolutely ok, there are worse things to be and, I've seen them." | |||
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"I lost two stone during lock down, changed my earing habits, didn't buy any snack foods, just bought ingredients to make proper meals, stopped drinking alcohol as its high in calories took up running as its free and part of the exercise every day and I am now running up to 12 miles feel great, more energy, and I had pizza yesterday and didn't feel guilty gone from a size 12 to a size 8 "You are going to be one hell of a shag! | |||
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"Weight loss is a complex matter,It really isnt, it is the diet industry that have made it so complex whilst it doesnt have to be, all it takes is to eat less and move more and over time the person will see changes. Another person who has no understanding of the complexities surrounding "dieting". I despair. Yes I do. I am into fitness and been doing it for years. I knows how weight loss works and what to do if you reach plateaus and so on." Sigh. You are a healthy young man Shag. But guess what, most obese people are not healthy young men, and they are hormonally and metabolically dysfunctional. Sometimes the chicken came before the egg, and sometimes the egg came first, but they have all been misled, the standard western diet is "obesogenic rat chow". There are however some principles that body builders DO understand, it's just in order for those to be of benefit to most overweight people, they need to understand the following: https://youtu.be/Jd8QFD5Ht18 | |||
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"I try to eat healthily, limit my calorie intake and do a moderate amount of exercise and I still can't lose weight. The only things that have helped me lose are compulsive exercise or starvation and neither of those things are healthy. Go figure. " Maybe try a different approach - read 'The Obesity Code' (you can get it on a free trial of Audiobooks) and checkout the following guy: https://youtu.be/Jd8QFD5Ht18 | |||
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"I try to eat healthily, limit my calorie intake and do a moderate amount of exercise and I still can't lose weight. The only things that have helped me lose are compulsive exercise or starvation and neither of those things are healthy. Go figure. Maybe try a different approach - read 'The Obesity Code' (you can get it on a free trial of Audiobooks) and checkout the following guy: https://youtu.be/Jd8QFD5Ht18" My WW coach gave me this book, I'm partway through reading it. From what I understand it's all about hormonal imbalances, insulin resistance and WHEN you eat as opposed to what so as not to spike insulin all day long. And also that CICO is a lie because your body learns to "budget" with a lower amount of calories and reduce the amount of energy you expend in order to make up for it. Don't know how much I believe that as I know calorie counting has worked for some people (who presumably don't have hormone problems) but intermittent/alternate day fasting is the main way I lost weight over lockdown, just trying to get back into the zone in order to continue it. | |||
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"I try to eat healthily, limit my calorie intake and do a moderate amount of exercise and I still can't lose weight. The only things that have helped me lose are compulsive exercise or starvation and neither of those things are healthy. Go figure. Maybe try a different approach - read 'The Obesity Code' (you can get it on a free trial of Audiobooks) and checkout the following guy: https://youtu.be/Jd8QFD5Ht18 My WW coach gave me this book, I'm partway through reading it. From what I understand it's all about hormonal imbalances, insulin resistance and WHEN you eat as opposed to what so as not to spike insulin all day long. And also that CICO is a lie because your body learns to "budget" with a lower amount of calories and reduce the amount of energy you expend in order to make up for it. Don't know how much I believe that as I know calorie counting has worked for some people (who presumably don't have hormone problems) but intermittent/alternate day fasting is the main way I lost weight over lockdown, just trying to get back into the zone in order to continue it. " The biggest problem is even if CICO works in the short term (and for some it simply does not), it absolutely does not work in the long term, the vast majority of people regain the weight. It basically messes up your metabolism - we need a lot more research on how to put that right. My best bet so far is the people like Ted Naiman (in the video link) are correct - that protein may well be the key. He presents a lot of good data. | |||
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"I know we liv a world of compete inconsistencies at the moment, but I did chuckle ... One week the Govt announces its war on obesity (not before time) and goes to town on junk food and nutritional rubbish and bans advertising etc. And the following week announces big discounts for eating out which all the junk food joints immediately jumped onto!!? R xx You can eat junk food without putting on weight, just don't eat too big a portion. Eat a whopper junior rather than a whopper. A hamburger instead of a Big Mac. Junk food doesn't make you fat, eating too much makes you fat. So that’s why the bundled meals they push ... and then ask you if you want to go large are over 1000 calories a throw! You’ll be telling me they are all green next in the food listings!!! .... just avoid them if you want to be healthy - simples! It’s a known fact the nutritional values of these foods are rubbish ... high in fat, high in carbs, high in calories ... pretty much everything we should be striving to avoid! R x" Are they forcing you to eat junk food? Scientifically if calories in (pies/maccies etc) calories out (lifestyle/exercise etc) then you put weight on. You have a choice on both sides. Scientific fact but not rocket science. Some here have put weight on....others have lost weight....all through their own concious choices. Personally I have slightly lost, though not through a particular concious effort....I've generally not let events change my habits other than growing more of the stuff I'd normally buy to cook. Take control of your own lives and stop blaming others. | |||
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"I know we liv a world of compete inconsistencies at the moment, but I did chuckle ... One week the Govt announces its war on obesity (not before time) and goes to town on junk food and nutritional rubbish and bans advertising etc. And the following week announces big discounts for eating out which all the junk food joints immediately jumped onto!!? R xx You can eat junk food without putting on weight, just don't eat too big a portion. Eat a whopper junior rather than a whopper. A hamburger instead of a Big Mac. Junk food doesn't make you fat, eating too much makes you fat. So that’s why the bundled meals they push ... and then ask you if you want to go large are over 1000 calories a throw! You’ll be telling me they are all green next in the food listings!!! .... just avoid them if you want to be healthy - simples! It’s a known fact the nutritional values of these foods are rubbish ... high in fat, high in carbs, high in calories ... pretty much everything we should be striving to avoid! R x Are they forcing you to eat junk food? Scientifically if calories in (pies/maccies etc) calories out (lifestyle/exercise etc) then you put weight on. You have a choice on both sides. Scientific fact but not rocket science. Some here have put weight on....others have lost weight....all through their own concious choices. Personally I have slightly lost, though not through a particular concious effort....I've generally not let events change my habits other than growing more of the stuff I'd normally buy to cook. Take control of your own lives and stop blaming others." Oh I totally blame myself. But it's incredibly frustrating when other people, most of whom have never encountered these problems, think it's so simple to just snap yourself out of years of ingrained nutritional behaviours. It's not. | |||
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"I try to eat healthily, limit my calorie intake and do a moderate amount of exercise and I still can't lose weight. The only things that have helped me lose are compulsive exercise or starvation and neither of those things are healthy. Go figure. Maybe try a different approach - read 'The Obesity Code' (you can get it on a free trial of Audiobooks) and checkout the following guy: https://youtu.be/Jd8QFD5Ht18 My WW coach gave me this book, I'm partway through reading it. From what I understand it's all about hormonal imbalances, insulin resistance and WHEN you eat as opposed to what so as not to spike insulin all day long. And also that CICO is a lie because your body learns to "budget" with a lower amount of calories and reduce the amount of energy you expend in order to make up for it. Don't know how much I believe that as I know calorie counting has worked for some people (who presumably don't have hormone problems) but intermittent/alternate day fasting is the main way I lost weight over lockdown, just trying to get back into the zone in order to continue it. The biggest problem is even if CICO works in the short term (and for some it simply does not), it absolutely does not work in the long term, the vast majority of people regain the weight. It basically messes up your metabolism - we need a lot more research on how to put that right. My best bet so far is the people like Ted Naiman (in the video link) are correct - that protein may well be the key. He presents a lot of good data." Will take a look, thank you. The problem is that there are lots of YouTube nutritionists who back keto and don't advocate high protein consumption. All this information out there just blocks each other out and makes it really confusing to just pick what's right for you | |||
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"Weight loss is a complex matter,It really isnt, it is the diet industry that have made it so complex whilst it doesnt have to be, all it takes is to eat less and move more and over time the person will see changes. Another person who has no understanding of the complexities surrounding "dieting". I despair. Yes I do. I am into fitness and been doing it for years. I knows how weight loss works and what to do if you reach plateaus and so on. Sigh. You are a healthy young man Shag. But guess what, most obese people are not healthy young men, and they are hormonally and metabolically dysfunctional. Sometimes the chicken came before the egg, and sometimes the egg came first, but they have all been misled, the standard western diet is "obesogenic rat chow". There are however some principles that body builders DO understand, it's just in order for those to be of benefit to most overweight people, they need to understand the following: https://youtu.be/Jd8QFD5Ht18" You are right there, there are abit to understand about it as well and when dieting it is also important to know that it is a long process as well so plans like flexible dieting will make it more fun too as it doesnt feel like dieting. | |||
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"I try to eat healthily, limit my calorie intake and do a moderate amount of exercise and I still can't lose weight. The only things that have helped me lose are compulsive exercise or starvation and neither of those things are healthy. Go figure. Maybe try a different approach - read 'The Obesity Code' (you can get it on a free trial of Audiobooks) and checkout the following guy: https://youtu.be/Jd8QFD5Ht18" Omg doesn't he talk fast. I learned about personal fat threshold when studying non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. It's fascinating how we store fat differently to the naked eye (ie one can be thin on the outside, fat on the inside; fat on the outside; both). | |||
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" It's underactive. I have medication but I haven't been having my blood tests due to covid so I wonder if I need the dosage adjusted again. I mean, I'm not massively overweight and I have lost a bit through changing eating habits and regular exercise, but then I get to a point where it just sticks and the slightest thing causes me to start gaining again. It's very frustrating. The mrs is exactly the same she is at gym on days off work and eats a healthy balanced diet. But has to work really hard to lose weight. Same underactive thyroid. I just really hate the short-sightness of comments like 'just lose weight' like it's a really easy thing to do. For most people I know - myself included - it's really hard to lose weight. If it was just 'eat less and exercise' I'd be really slim now!! " This is how I was gym for an hour every day and watching what I ate, maybe I’d loose 5lbs here and there but never really lost weight. People at work would tell me I’m not eating enough and I’d show them how I was putting weight on still. Said the same old thing “I just can’t loose weight” However lockdown made me have to change as the gyms closed - I started couch to 5K and now run 7k every other day, built a small gym in the garage and made sure to only eat clean (nothing processed) with a calorie defict. As a result of these changes I’ve lost 3 stone since lock down and starting to have a body that makes me super happy every time I look in the mirror. | |||
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" It's underactive. I have medication but I haven't been having my blood tests due to covid so I wonder if I need the dosage adjusted again. I mean, I'm not massively overweight and I have lost a bit through changing eating habits and regular exercise, but then I get to a point where it just sticks and the slightest thing causes me to start gaining again. It's very frustrating. The mrs is exactly the same she is at gym on days off work and eats a healthy balanced diet. But has to work really hard to lose weight. Same underactive thyroid. I just really hate the short-sightness of comments like 'just lose weight' like it's a really easy thing to do. For most people I know - myself included - it's really hard to lose weight. If it was just 'eat less and exercise' I'd be really slim now!! This is how I was gym for an hour every day and watching what I ate, maybe I’d loose 5lbs here and there but never really lost weight. People at work would tell me I’m not eating enough and I’d show them how I was putting weight on still. Said the same old thing “I just can’t loose weight” However lockdown made me have to change as the gyms closed - I started couch to 5K and now run 7k every other day, built a small gym in the garage and made sure to only eat clean (nothing processed) with a calorie defict. As a result of these changes I’ve lost 3 stone since lock down and starting to have a body that makes me super happy every time I look in the mirror. " Well done you .... a fantastic transformation xx hope you are enjoying the newer, fitter, healthier you xxx | |||
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"Weight loss is a complex matter,It really isnt, it is the diet industry that have made it so complex whilst it doesnt have to be, all it takes is to eat less and move more and over time the person will see changes. Another person who has no understanding of the complexities surrounding "dieting". I despair. Yes I do. I am into fitness and been doing it for years. I knows how weight loss works and what to do if you reach plateaus and so on. So you understand weight loss as a product of your experience? Yes I do as I do summer shredding to get to low body fat percentages from a higher one. I do this every year. Exactly my point - your experience. Yes but it kind of is the same principle. For many yes, but for all - not a bloody chance. Simples Yes it is hard work and patience is the key that is why I advocate flexible dieting as it is doesnt feel like dieting this way, it makes it fun as you can enjoy all the food groups
So what would you suggest for someone who has very little mobility and needs a wheelchair then Shag?
Was this aimed at me, Nicecouple?!
I'd say, join a wheelchair basketball team, train hard, crash into people, fall out of your chair, break a few fingers and make some ace friends. You'll probably lose weight AND feel happier
In all seriousness, many people who use wheelchairs could do more exercise, BUT many gyms refuse to have wheelchair users train due to alleged "health and safety" aka we can't be arsed helping you. It's hard to find a gym and a PT who a) cares and b) knows enough to help you safely.
Then we have the issue of cost. I'm lucky enough to be borrowing a club sports chair. It's far too big in the back and restricts my movement but I can't afford £3000 for a custom chair. Sports wheelchairs are insanely expensive, so to play what for able bodied players is a cheap sport that you see in inner city estates all the time (basketball), you actually need a lot of money. Also I can't use the gym unassisted, so I have to pay for a PT to work with me. I can't move 20kg barbell to the rack, but I can recline and lift it, plus weights. That also costs money.
Most of the exercise classes suggested by the NHS are a) totally unadapted for disabled people and b) during the day. Disabled people also work.
Its not as ea as people, including doctors, think. I do a LOT of wheelchair exercise. In addition to the basketball, I push 5k or 10k regularly with a running club. But I am only using my shoulders, arms and upper back. The biggest muscles in my body (gluteus and quads) aren't being used and you can push 10k in a chair even if you have no trunk control eg due to spinal cord injury. You just strap in. No matter how far or hard I push, I am exercising relatively small muscles so the benefits in terms of fat burning is far less than someone who runs uphill.
Its fucking hard to push uphill even slowly in a chair. It fucking hurts - my shoulders feel the burn almost immediately because they simply are not designed to move like that. People running on treadmills etc are at least performing a natural function (running). Most wheelchair users, even those who don't do crazy shit, end up with damaged rotator cuffs due to strain on a small muscle group.
Until you've pushed 10k+ in a person's wheelchair, I'd say you have no right to start telling chubby disabled people that them being overweight is because they are lazy, because they are stupid blah blah. Try it and get back to me "No it wasn't aimed at you. I asked the question because my mum (who broke her back ten yearsvago, has heart failure and terrible arthritis) needs a wheelchair or mobility scooter to get about. She can only do limited exercise which the physio has shown her and I said up thread telling her to move more and put less in her mouth is pointless and unkind. She's close to 90, a couple of pounds overweight if that, most of it is fluid retention due to heart failure and I can't see any value in her starving herself for the last month's notice of her life or trying to walk in to Waitrose because "it will do her good". But she does those things partly because people preach at her her and make her feel guilty. | |||
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"I try to eat healthily, limit my calorie intake and do a moderate amount of exercise and I still can't lose weight. The only things that have helped me lose are compulsive exercise or starvation and neither of those things are healthy. Go figure. Maybe try a different approach - read 'The Obesity Code' (you can get it on a free trial of Audiobooks) and checkout the following guy: https://youtu.be/Jd8QFD5Ht18 My WW coach gave me this book, I'm partway through reading it. From what I understand it's all about hormonal imbalances, insulin resistance and WHEN you eat as opposed to what so as not to spike insulin all day long. And also that CICO is a lie because your body learns to "budget" with a lower amount of calories and reduce the amount of energy you expend in order to make up for it. Don't know how much I believe that as I know calorie counting has worked for some people (who presumably don't have hormone problems) but intermittent/alternate day fasting is the main way I lost weight over lockdown, just trying to get back into the zone in order to continue it. The biggest problem is even if CICO works in the short term (and for some it simply does not), it absolutely does not work in the long term, the vast majority of people regain the weight. It basically messes up your metabolism - we need a lot more research on how to put that right. My best bet so far is the people like Ted Naiman (in the video link) are correct - that protein may well be the key. He presents a lot of good data. Will take a look, thank you. The problem is that there are lots of YouTube nutritionists who back keto and don't advocate high protein consumption. All this information out there just blocks each other out and makes it really confusing to just pick what's right for you "No, but they all advocate SUFFICIENT protein which is what CICO fails to take into proper consideration. Ted is a doctor too, not a nutritionist. He advocates at the higher end, but he seems to have the data to back that up. | |||
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"I try to eat healthily, limit my calorie intake and do a moderate amount of exercise and I still can't lose weight. The only things that have helped me lose are compulsive exercise or starvation and neither of those things are healthy. Go figure. Maybe try a different approach - read 'The Obesity Code' (you can get it on a free trial of Audiobooks) and checkout the following guy: https://youtu.be/Jd8QFD5Ht18 Omg doesn't he talk fast. I learned about personal fat threshold when studying non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. It's fascinating how we store fat differently to the naked eye (ie one can be thin on the outside, fat on the inside; fat on the outside; both). " I know, I love people who's brains work so fast their mouths can hardly keep up lol! | |||
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"I try to eat healthily, limit my calorie intake and do a moderate amount of exercise and I still can't lose weight. The only things that have helped me lose are compulsive exercise or starvation and neither of those things are healthy. Go figure. Maybe try a different approach - read 'The Obesity Code' (you can get it on a free trial of Audiobooks) and checkout the following guy: https://youtu.be/Jd8QFD5Ht18 My WW coach gave me this book, I'm partway through reading it. From what I understand it's all about hormonal imbalances, insulin resistance and WHEN you eat as opposed to what so as not to spike insulin all day long. And also that CICO is a lie because your body learns to "budget" with a lower amount of calories and reduce the amount of energy you expend in order to make up for it. Don't know how much I believe that as I know calorie counting has worked for some people (who presumably don't have hormone problems) but intermittent/alternate day fasting is the main way I lost weight over lockdown, just trying to get back into the zone in order to continue it. The biggest problem is even if CICO works in the short term (and for some it simply does not), it absolutely does not work in the long term, the vast majority of people regain the weight. It basically messes up your metabolism - we need a lot more research on how to put that right. My best bet so far is the people like Ted Naiman (in the video link) are correct - that protein may well be the key. He presents a lot of good data. Will take a look, thank you. The problem is that there are lots of YouTube nutritionists who back keto and don't advocate high protein consumption. All this information out there just blocks each other out and makes it really confusing to just pick what's right for you
No, but they all advocate SUFFICIENT protein which is what CICO fails to take into proper consideration. Ted is a doctor too, not a nutritionist. He advocates at the higher end, but he seems to have the data to back that up."He is a doctor in the metabolic syndrome field and therefore an expert. Many doctors will advise patients without the knowledge as I've stated earlier. These doctors should be referring to dietitians. The NHS is run (or damn well should be) by multi-disciplinary teams. In the case of dietitics, the dietitian is the expert. In the case of movement and injury to part of the body - physios. And so on. It is no longer the hierarchy of Doctor is Lead, unless it's his or her field of expertise. | |||
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"I try to eat healthily, limit my calorie intake and do a moderate amount of exercise and I still can't lose weight. The only things that have helped me lose are compulsive exercise or starvation and neither of those things are healthy. Go figure. Maybe try a different approach - read 'The Obesity Code' (you can get it on a free trial of Audiobooks) and checkout the following guy: https://youtu.be/Jd8QFD5Ht18 My WW coach gave me this book, I'm partway through reading it. From what I understand it's all about hormonal imbalances, insulin resistance and WHEN you eat as opposed to what so as not to spike insulin all day long. And also that CICO is a lie because your body learns to "budget" with a lower amount of calories and reduce the amount of energy you expend in order to make up for it. Don't know how much I believe that as I know calorie counting has worked for some people (who presumably don't have hormone problems) but intermittent/alternate day fasting is the main way I lost weight over lockdown, just trying to get back into the zone in order to continue it. The biggest problem is even if CICO works in the short term (and for some it simply does not), it absolutely does not work in the long term, the vast majority of people regain the weight. It basically messes up your metabolism - we need a lot more research on how to put that right. My best bet so far is the people like Ted Naiman (in the video link) are correct - that protein may well be the key. He presents a lot of good data. Will take a look, thank you. The problem is that there are lots of YouTube nutritionists who back keto and don't advocate high protein consumption. All this information out there just blocks each other out and makes it really confusing to just pick what's right for you
No, but they all advocate SUFFICIENT protein which is what CICO fails to take into proper consideration. Ted is a doctor too, not a nutritionist. He advocates at the higher end, but he seems to have the data to back that up.
He is a doctor in the metabolic syndrome field and therefore an expert. Many doctors will advise patients without the knowledge as I've stated earlier. These doctors should be referring to dietitians. The NHS is run (or damn well should be) by multi-disciplinary teams. In the case of dietitics, the dietitian is the expert. In the case of movement and injury to part of the body - physios. And so on. It is no longer the hierarchy of Doctor is Lead, unless it's his or her field of expertise. "For sure, but I am afraid I find that many if not most dietitians are working with out of date models - incorrect policy has, in a large part, caused this epidemic of diabesity. | |||
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"I try to eat healthily, limit my calorie intake and do a moderate amount of exercise and I still can't lose weight. The only things that have helped me lose are compulsive exercise or starvation and neither of those things are healthy. Go figure. Maybe try a different approach - read 'The Obesity Code' (you can get it on a free trial of Audiobooks) and checkout the following guy: https://youtu.be/Jd8QFD5Ht18 My WW coach gave me this book, I'm partway through reading it. From what I understand it's all about hormonal imbalances, insulin resistance and WHEN you eat as opposed to what so as not to spike insulin all day long. And also that CICO is a lie because your body learns to "budget" with a lower amount of calories and reduce the amount of energy you expend in order to make up for it. Don't know how much I believe that as I know calorie counting has worked for some people (who presumably don't have hormone problems) but intermittent/alternate day fasting is the main way I lost weight over lockdown, just trying to get back into the zone in order to continue it. The biggest problem is even if CICO works in the short term (and for some it simply does not), it absolutely does not work in the long term, the vast majority of people regain the weight. It basically messes up your metabolism - we need a lot more research on how to put that right. My best bet so far is the people like Ted Naiman (in the video link) are correct - that protein may well be the key. He presents a lot of good data. Will take a look, thank you. The problem is that there are lots of YouTube nutritionists who back keto and don't advocate high protein consumption. All this information out there just blocks each other out and makes it really confusing to just pick what's right for you
No, but they all advocate SUFFICIENT protein which is what CICO fails to take into proper consideration. Ted is a doctor too, not a nutritionist. He advocates at the higher end, but he seems to have the data to back that up.
He is a doctor in the metabolic syndrome field and therefore an expert. Many doctors will advise patients without the knowledge as I've stated earlier. These doctors should be referring to dietitians. The NHS is run (or damn well should be) by multi-disciplinary teams. In the case of dietitics, the dietitian is the expert. In the case of movement and injury to part of the body - physios. And so on. It is no longer the hierarchy of Doctor is Lead, unless it's his or her field of expertise.
For sure, but I am afraid I find that many if not most dietitians are working with out of date models - incorrect policy has, in a large part, caused this epidemic of diabesity."Policy shouldn't be dictating university modules. Also evidence-based should be leading practice. I must admit I don't know if dietitians have to complete validation to ensure they are keeping up with evidence. | |||
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"Young people need to realise that if you eat sensible amounts you don't need to get fatter as you get older. I weigh the same as I did when I was 20 and as a result I have the body shape and tone of a slim 25 year old. As I didn't bulk up in a gym when I was younger I don't have muscles that sag if I don't maintain then. I haven't added any fat so my skin has never stretched and so stays smooth. If you are in good shape then note that weight and never go above it. Weigh yourself naked every morning. If you reach that weight then no desserts or snacks during the day (and obviously eat small portions). If you are below that weight then anything goes. Follow this rule and you will never have to lose weight because you won't have any to lose." Wowww good for you, that's so amazing, well done on your incredible achievement!!!! | |||
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"Young people need to realise that if you eat sensible amounts you don't need to get fatter as you get older. I weigh the same as I did when I was 20 and as a result I have the body shape and tone of a slim 25 year old. As I didn't bulk up in a gym when I was younger I don't have muscles that sag if I don't maintain then. I haven't added any fat so my skin has never stretched and so stays smooth. If you are in good shape then note that weight and never go above it. Weigh yourself naked every morning. If you reach that weight then no desserts or snacks during the day (and obviously eat small portions). If you are below that weight then anything goes. Follow this rule and you will never have to lose weight because you won't have any to lose." I agree with the sentiment that young people should take great care never to gain weight. But sometimes that's simply a case of genetics. My father for instance always ate precisely what he wanted and never gained any weight - it simply wasn't in his genetic make-up. Other people have to do far more than 'don't have desert or snacks' to maintain their weight, that is just not enough. They are the ones that need to gain more understanding. | |||
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"Young people need to realise that if you eat sensible amounts you don't need to get fatter as you get older. I weigh the same as I did when I was 20 and as a result I have the body shape and tone of a slim 25 year old. As I didn't bulk up in a gym when I was younger I don't have muscles that sag if I don't maintain then. I haven't added any fat so my skin has never stretched and so stays smooth. If you are in good shape then note that weight and never go above it. Weigh yourself naked every morning. If you reach that weight then no desserts or snacks during the day (and obviously eat small portions). If you are below that weight then anything goes. Follow this rule and you will never have to lose weight because you won't have any to lose. Wowww good for you, that's so amazing, well done on your incredible achievement!!!! "Thank-you. | |||
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"Young people need to realise that if you eat sensible amounts you don't need to get fatter as you get older. I weigh the same as I did when I was 20 and as a result I have the body shape and tone of a slim 25 year old. As I didn't bulk up in a gym when I was younger I don't have muscles that sag if I don't maintain then. I haven't added any fat so my skin has never stretched and so stays smooth. If you are in good shape then note that weight and never go above it. Weigh yourself naked every morning. If you reach that weight then no desserts or snacks during the day (and obviously eat small portions). If you are below that weight then anything goes. Follow this rule and you will never have to lose weight because you won't have any to lose. Wowww good for you, that's so amazing, well done on your incredible achievement!!!! "No need for sarcasm (and if it's not, why not?  ). | |||
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"Young people need to realise that if you eat sensible amounts you don't need to get fatter as you get older. I weigh the same as I did when I was 20 and as a result I have the body shape and tone of a slim 25 year old. As I didn't bulk up in a gym when I was younger I don't have muscles that sag if I don't maintain then. I haven't added any fat so my skin has never stretched and so stays smooth. If you are in good shape then note that weight and never go above it. Weigh yourself naked every morning. If you reach that weight then no desserts or snacks during the day (and obviously eat small portions). If you are below that weight then anything goes. Follow this rule and you will never have to lose weight because you won't have any to lose." There speaks a man .
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"Young people need to realise that if you eat sensible amounts you don't need to get fatter as you get older. I weigh the same as I did when I was 20 and as a result I have the body shape and tone of a slim 25 year old. As I didn't bulk up in a gym when I was younger I don't have muscles that sag if I don't maintain then. I haven't added any fat so my skin has never stretched and so stays smooth. If you are in good shape then note that weight and never go above it. Weigh yourself naked every morning. If you reach that weight then no desserts or snacks during the day (and obviously eat small portions). If you are below that weight then anything goes. Follow this rule and you will never have to lose weight because you won't have any to lose. Wowww good for you, that's so amazing, well done on your incredible achievement!!!!
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"Young people need to realise that if you eat sensible amounts you don't need to get fatter as you get older. I weigh the same as I did when I was 20 and as a result I have the body shape and tone of a slim 25 year old. As I didn't bulk up in a gym when I was younger I don't have muscles that sag if I don't maintain then. I haven't added any fat so my skin has never stretched and so stays smooth. If you are in good shape then note that weight and never go above it. Weigh yourself naked every morning. If you reach that weight then no desserts or snacks during the day (and obviously eat small portions). If you are below that weight then anything goes. Follow this rule and you will never have to lose weight because you won't have any to lose. Wowww good for you, that's so amazing, well done on your incredible achievement!!!!
No need for sarcasm (and if it's not, why not? ).
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"Young people need to realise that if you eat sensible amounts you don't need to get fatter as you get older. I weigh the same as I did when I was 20 and as a result I have the body shape and tone of a slim 25 year old. As I didn't bulk up in a gym when I was younger I don't have muscles that sag if I don't maintain then. I haven't added any fat so my skin has never stretched and so stays smooth. If you are in good shape then note that weight and never go above it. Weigh yourself naked every morning. If you reach that weight then no desserts or snacks during the day (and obviously eat small portions). If you are below that weight then anything goes. Follow this rule and you will never have to lose weight because you won't have any to lose. I agree with the sentiment that young people should take great care never to gain weight. But sometimes that's simply a case of genetics. My father for instance always ate precisely what he wanted and never gained any weight - it simply wasn't in his genetic make-up. Other people have to do far more than 'don't have desert or snacks' to maintain their weight, that is just not enough. They are the ones that need to gain more understanding." | |||
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"Young people need to realise that if you eat sensible amounts you don't need to get fatter as you get older. I weigh the same as I did when I was 20 and as a result I have the body shape and tone of a slim 25 year old. As I didn't bulk up in a gym when I was younger I don't have muscles that sag if I don't maintain then. I haven't added any fat so my skin has never stretched and so stays smooth. If you are in good shape then note that weight and never go above it. Weigh yourself naked every morning. If you reach that weight then no desserts or snacks during the day (and obviously eat small portions). If you are below that weight then anything goes. Follow this rule and you will never have to lose weight because you won't have any to lose. There speaks a man .
My point? He will never have to go through dysregulation of hormones, eg polycystic ovary syndrome, menopause, oestrogen dominance. "Obviously I meant female hormones (even though men do have some oestrogen - they don't tend to have ovaries, well cis men anyway). | |||
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"Young people need to realise that if you eat sensible amounts you don't need to get fatter as you get older. I weigh the same as I did when I was 20 and as a result I have the body shape and tone of a slim 25 year old. As I didn't bulk up in a gym when I was younger I don't have muscles that sag if I don't maintain then. I haven't added any fat so my skin has never stretched and so stays smooth. If you are in good shape then note that weight and never go above it. Weigh yourself naked every morning. If you reach that weight then no desserts or snacks during the day (and obviously eat small portions). If you are below that weight then anything goes. Follow this rule and you will never have to lose weight because you won't have any to lose. I agree with the sentiment that young people should take great care never to gain weight. But sometimes that's simply a case of genetics. My father for instance always ate precisely what he wanted and never gained any weight - it simply wasn't in his genetic make-up. Other people have to do far more than 'don't have desert or snacks' to maintain their weight, that is just not enough. They are the ones that need to gain more understanding." I definitely think it’s genetics in a lot of cases as I appear to go against the grain, I’ve had polycystic ovaries for 20+ years, only got half a thyroid and usually I’m under active so you think weight gain right? Wrong, I weigh less now than a teenager and I eat far more than Will, I would probably shock you if I listed my daily consumption, I don’t go the gym but probably walk half hour daily and swim once a week, I even loose weight at Christmas and never gain any weight on all inclusive holidays with free flowing sugary cocktails and 24hr food, if I don’t eat for a while I feel faint and have fainted or feel like my bodies eating itself, I’ve never dieted in my life and people always said it would catch up with me in later life for all I eat but I’m in later life and it hasn’t, so makes me believe genetics plays a big part else why do some people struggle with weight gain when others don’t. | |||
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"Young people need to realise that if you eat sensible amounts you don't need to get fatter as you get older. I weigh the same as I did when I was 20 and as a result I have the body shape and tone of a slim 25 year old. As I didn't bulk up in a gym when I was younger I don't have muscles that sag if I don't maintain then. I haven't added any fat so my skin has never stretched and so stays smooth. If you are in good shape then note that weight and never go above it. Weigh yourself naked every morning. If you reach that weight then no desserts or snacks during the day (and obviously eat small portions). If you are below that weight then anything goes. Follow this rule and you will never have to lose weight because you won't have any to lose. I agree with the sentiment that young people should take great care never to gain weight. But sometimes that's simply a case of genetics. My father for instance always ate precisely what he wanted and never gained any weight - it simply wasn't in his genetic make-up. Other people have to do far more than 'don't have desert or snacks' to maintain their weight, that is just not enough. They are the ones that need to gain more understanding." That is right and that means that his metabolic rate is very quick hence why he can eat more as supposed to someone with a slow metabolic that that have to eat alot less, it all comes down to calories in v out but each person have their own maintenance level which if they eat more they gain or less they lose weight. | |||
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"Lots of people also suffer from that global disease of KFC and cake retention or that good old big bone syndrome. " | |||
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"I consume approx 4000 calories a week. Only know cause was asked to log my intake. Don't do formal exercise but work full time so not inactive either and yet.... I'm a chubby Some would say its my age but I'd say its thyroid. Never carried extra weight till that became an issue. " Same, according to my TDEE I'm supposed to eat around 2500 calories per day to lose weight. I naturally eat around 1600 - 1800 per day (I track using mfp AND WW) and still don't lose weight. The only way I have managed to lose 2 stone was through intermittent fasting and cutting carbs (keto), but I was still eating the same amount of calories if not more than I did before, which is all the proof I need that "CICO works for everyone" is total bullshit. My hair started falling out majorly though so I freaked out and stopped cutting carbs, along with anything else in my life that I thought might have been the cause. I'm going to try gradually lowering carbs again to get to keto stage like I was before but without the fat to replace it I am h u n g r y. 4000 calories per week is very low though, that's around 600 per day!  | |||
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"I consume approx 4000 calories a week. Only know cause was asked to log my intake. Don't do formal exercise but work full time so not inactive either and yet.... I'm a chubby Some would say its my age but I'd say its thyroid. Never carried extra weight till that became an issue. " Is it a medical diet, cos on the face of it, it's too low. | |||
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"I know we liv a world of compete inconsistencies at the moment, but I did chuckle ... One week the Govt announces its war on obesity (not before time) and goes to town on junk food and nutritional rubbish and bans advertising etc. And the following week announces big discounts for eating out which all the junk food joints immediately jumped onto!!? R xx You can eat junk food without putting on weight, just don't eat too big a portion. Eat a whopper junior rather than a whopper. A hamburger instead of a Big Mac. Junk food doesn't make you fat, eating too much makes you fat. So that’s why the bundled meals they push ... and then ask you if you want to go large are over 1000 calories a throw! You’ll be telling me they are all green next in the food listings!!! .... just avoid them if you want to be healthy - simples! It’s a known fact the nutritional values of these foods are rubbish ... high in fat, high in carbs, high in calories ... pretty much everything we should be striving to avoid! R x Are they forcing you to eat junk food? Scientifically if calories in (pies/maccies etc) calories out (lifestyle/exercise etc) then you put weight on. You have a choice on both sides. Scientific fact but not rocket science. Some here have put weight on....others have lost weight....all through their own concious choices. Personally I have slightly lost, though not through a particular concious effort....I've generally not let events change my habits other than growing more of the stuff I'd normally buy to cook. Take control of your own lives and stop blaming others. Oh I totally blame myself. But it's incredibly frustrating when other people, most of whom have never encountered these problems, think it's so simple to just snap yourself out of years of ingrained nutritional behaviours. It's not. " | |||
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"I consume approx 4000 calories a week. Only know cause was asked to log my intake. Don't do formal exercise but work full time so not inactive either and yet.... I'm a chubby Some would say its my age but I'd say its thyroid. Never carried extra weight till that became an issue. Same, according to my TDEE I'm supposed to eat around 2500 calories per day to lose weight. I naturally eat around 1600 - 1800 per day (I track using mfp AND WW) and still don't lose weight. The only way I have managed to lose 2 stone was through intermittent fasting and cutting carbs (keto), but I was still eating the same amount of calories if not more than I did before, which is all the proof I need that "CICO works for everyone" is total bullshit. My hair started falling out majorly though so I freaked out and stopped cutting carbs, along with anything else in my life that I thought might have been the cause. I'm going to try gradually lowering carbs again to get to keto stage like I was before but without the fat to replace it I am h u n g r y. 4000 calories per week is very low though, that's around 600 per day! "I know, I was surprised I took as little tbh. Good luck xx | |||
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"I consume approx 4000 calories a week. Only know cause was asked to log my intake. Don't do formal exercise but work full time so not inactive either and yet.... I'm a chubby Some would say its my age but I'd say its thyroid. Never carried extra weight till that became an issue. Is it a medical diet, cos on the face of it, it's too low. " No, I know that, that's my point tho. Didn't realise till I did this just how little I ate which I know isn't healthy, I was shocked. I'm dealing with it now but I was pointing out its not just about less calories and more activity x | |||
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"I consume approx 4000 calories a week. Only know cause was asked to log my intake. Don't do formal exercise but work full time so not inactive either and yet.... I'm a chubby Some would say its my age but I'd say its thyroid. Never carried extra weight till that became an issue. Is it a medical diet, cos on the face of it, it's too low. No, I know that, that's my point tho. Didn't realise till I did this just how little I ate which I know isn't healthy, I was shocked. I'm dealing with it now but I was pointing out its not just about less calories and more activity x" Do you think formal exercise may help?? Xx | |||
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"I'm not going to live rest of my life like a rabbit I will enjoy everything in moderation and what will be will be "Like a rabbit ? | |||
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"I'm not going to live rest of my life like a rabbit I will enjoy everything in moderation and what will be will be
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"Why are people so defensive about being overweight? It’s your right to be fat , why attack people for not understanding why a person is overweight ? The reason I’m saying this is because after reading this thread it sounds like people are defending themselves...... Drink , smoke , eat what you want , and have great sex...... Life is too short to worry about non sense" Some people are not choosing to be fat. Some people are not happy being fat. But no one should condemn another because of their body size. And those who have found it easy to diet or hard but successful shouldnt think their way is the only way. | |||
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"Why are people so defensive about being overweight? It’s your right to be fat , why attack people for not understanding why a person is overweight ? The reason I’m saying this is because after reading this thread it sounds like people are defending themselves...... Drink , smoke , eat what you want , and have great sex...... Life is too short to worry about non sense Some people are not choosing to be fat. Some people are not happy being fat. But no one should condemn another because of their body size. And those who have found it easy to diet or hard but successful shouldnt think their way is the only way. " But are people really accomplishing anything by trying to figure out why diets don’t work? If you want to lose weight and can’t stick to a diet... Hey enjoy your life as a bigger person, someone will love you.... | |||
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"Why are people so defensive about being overweight? It’s your right to be fat , why attack people for not understanding why a person is overweight ? The reason I’m saying this is because after reading this thread it sounds like people are defending themselves...... Drink , smoke , eat what you want , and have great sex...... Life is too short to worry about non sense Some people are not choosing to be fat. Some people are not happy being fat. But no one should condemn another because of their body size. And those who have found it easy to diet or hard but successful shouldnt think their way is the only way. But are people really accomplishing anything by trying to figure out why diets don’t work? If you want to lose weight and can’t stick to a diet... Hey enjoy your life as a bigger person, someone will love you.... " It's not about sticking to a diet or being loved - excess weight is usually unhealthy, period. So I don't think anyone should deny that, and it is my feeling everyone deserves the right to understand their condition, and find out what will put it right for them and what will not. People have been misled for many, many years. | |||
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