Anyone who has whinged about the Oxford vaccine being produced too speedily should be positively running in the opposite direction of the Russian one. Do you really think Mr Putin has gone through the proper regulatory processes, however compressed? Or do you think he wants Mother Russia to look like the saviour of the world? The same Mr Putin who denied the existence of Covid in Russia for a long time and who continues to deny the scale of it there. Forgive my Putin related skepticism  |
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I suspect Mr Putin is doing some dick waving, but the proof of tbe pudding is in the eating.
It'll not be rolled out here until it's been peer reviewed and tested.
It's looking like there are a number of potential contenders on this side of tbe horizon now, so excellent news.  |
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"I suspect Mr Putin is doing some dick waving, but the proof of tbe pudding is in the eating.
It'll not be rolled out here until it's been peer reviewed and tested.
It's looking like there are a number of potential contenders on this side of tbe horizon now, so excellent news. "
Yes, he's dick waving. But eating it? Ewwww  . No ta  |
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If I've learned anything from this it's to take everything with a pinch of salt in the media.
Infact I think there should be an unbiased news report once a month and that's it. |
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"Anyone who has whinged about the Oxford vaccine being produced too speedily should be positively running in the opposite direction of the Russian one. Do you really think Mr Putin has gone through the proper regulatory processes, however compressed? Or do you think he wants Mother Russia to look like the saviour of the world? The same Mr Putin who denied the existence of Covid in Russia for a long time and who continues to deny the scale of it there. Forgive my Putin related skepticism
Rationality has no part to play here. Shush  "
Sorry, Miss. Will try better next time  |
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"If I've learned anything from this it's to take everything with a pinch of salt in the media.
Infact I think there should be an unbiased news report once a month and that's it. "
The first bit, yes.
The second bit... I got nothing. |
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"Anyone who has whinged about the Oxford vaccine being produced too speedily should be positively running in the opposite direction of the Russian one. Do you really think Mr Putin has gone through the proper regulatory processes, however compressed? Or do you think he wants Mother Russia to look like the saviour of the world? The same Mr Putin who denied the existence of Covid in Russia for a long time and who continues to deny the scale of it there. Forgive my Putin related skepticism
Rationality has no part to play here. Shush
Sorry, Miss. Will try better next time "
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"I suspect Mr Putin is doing some dick waving, but the proof of tbe pudding is in the eating.
It'll not be rolled out here until it's been peer reviewed and tested.
It's looking like there are a number of potential contenders on this side of tbe horizon now, so excellent news.
Yes, he's dick waving. But eating it? Ewwww . No ta "
You know what, as soon as I pressed 'Send' I wondered at that but decided nobody would notice... |
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"If I've learned anything from this it's to take everything with a pinch of salt in the media.
Infact I think there should be an unbiased news report once a month and that's it. "
In Soviet Russia they unbias you
... I'll see myself out |
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"I suspect Mr Putin is doing some dick waving, but the proof of tbe pudding is in the eating.
It'll not be rolled out here until it's been peer reviewed and tested.
It's looking like there are a number of potential contenders on this side of tbe horizon now, so excellent news.
Yes, he's dick waving. But eating it? Ewwww . No ta
You know what, as soon as I pressed 'Send' I wondered at that but decided nobody would notice... "
Do not underestimate a woman who is paid for attention to detail |
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"I suspect Mr Putin is doing some dick waving, but the proof of tbe pudding is in the eating.
It'll not be rolled out here until it's been peer reviewed and tested.
It's looking like there are a number of potential contenders on this side of tbe horizon now, so excellent news.
Yes, he's dick waving. But eating it? Ewwww . No ta
You know what, as soon as I pressed 'Send' I wondered at that but decided nobody would notice...
Do not underestimate a woman who is paid for attention to detail "
I was convinced at 'woman' |
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"I suspect Mr Putin is doing some dick waving, but the proof of tbe pudding is in the eating.
It'll not be rolled out here until it's been peer reviewed and tested.
It's looking like there are a number of potential contenders on this side of tbe horizon now, so excellent news.
Yes, he's dick waving. But eating it? Ewwww . No ta
You know what, as soon as I pressed 'Send' I wondered at that but decided nobody would notice...
Do not underestimate a woman who is paid for attention to detail
I was convinced at 'woman' "
As you should have been  |
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"I suspect Mr Putin is doing some dick waving, but the proof of tbe pudding is in the eating.
It'll not be rolled out here until it's been peer reviewed and tested.
It's looking like there are a number of potential contenders on this side of tbe horizon now, so excellent news.
Yes, he's dick waving. But eating it? Ewwww . No ta
You know what, as soon as I pressed 'Send' I wondered at that but decided nobody would notice...
Do not underestimate a woman who is paid for attention to detail
I was convinced at 'woman'
As you should have been "
Excuse me, I need to go wave at someone.... |
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There are a lot of vaccines under development and the Russian 1 would still be at that stage, if it was being developed here. It's had approval there when it couldn't get it here, as it's not been through its stage 3 trials, tested on large numbers of people, to more fully check its safety and effectiveness levels.
It may be great and if it can help to save lives, with availability for poorer and other societies, it could be a game changer. Russia have likely approved it at such an early stage to help boost some egos.
I'd not take it at this point |
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"bet they stole it from us in one of their cyber attacks "
There was a report a couple of weeks ago about Russians hacking the Oxford vaccine project... so they could now be doing the large scale testing for us. |
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"bet they stole it from us in one of their cyber attacks
There was a report a couple of weeks ago about Russians hacking the Oxford vaccine project... so they could now be doing the large scale testing for us."
all these crazy conspiracy theories....tinfoil hats at the ready! |
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I suspect the Russian vaccine is in fact at a similar stage to the others - it's completed safety trials & been shown to produce an antibody response.
From there, there are two ways to prove it works - the way we're doing which is to give it to thousands of high risk people and see if they get covid naturally or to conduct a 'challenge trial' where a group are vaccinated, tested for antibodies, then deliberately exposed to the disease to see if they get ill.
The second is much quicker but much more risky (you could, in theory, kill a healthy person if the vaccine doesn't work) which is why we aren't (yet) doing it and it won't tell you how long the protection lasts. It will however allow you to distribute a protective, working vaccine much more quickly. In a heavily state controlled country like Russia it would be much easier to carry out challenge trials than in the more open west.
It's also worth remebering the Russians have very significant experience in virology (State Centre for Virology - VECTOR), during the cold war years they were widely considered to be far in advance of western scientists in the development of biological weaponary & countermeasures. Those skills won't have disappeared and are exactly the same skills you need to develop a vaccine.
So in short, I think there is a very good chance Russia's vaccine works & is safe BUT we can't know if it will provide effective protection long enough without boosters to be viable. |
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"bet they stole it from us in one of their cyber attacks
There was a report a couple of weeks ago about Russians hacking the Oxford vaccine project... so they could now be doing the large scale testing for us.
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all these crazy conspiracy theories....tinfoil hats at the ready!"
Mine is not a crazy conspiracy theory, just my own amusing musings |
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"If I've learned anything from this it's to take everything with a pinch of salt in the media.
Infact I think there should be an unbiased news report once a month and that's it. "
Not simply unbiased mate. But accoubtable too.. should be made crinimal and not monetised.
They print what they want and plant an idea.
They print stories to gauge reactions and see which direction to take...
The media is controlling controlling your thoghts and opinions. |
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"Anyone who has whinged about the Oxford vaccine being produced too speedily should be positively running in the opposite direction of the Russian one. Do you really think Mr Putin has gone through the proper regulatory processes, however compressed? Or do you think he wants Mother Russia to look like the saviour of the world? The same Mr Putin who denied the existence of Covid in Russia for a long time and who continues to deny the scale of it there. Forgive my Putin related skepticism "
Very true.
Remember him going round shaking hands with people denying its seriousness.
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"bet they stole it from us in one of their cyber attacks
There was a report a couple of weeks ago about Russians hacking the Oxford vaccine project... so they could now be doing the large scale testing for us.
all these crazy conspiracy theories....tinfoil hats at the ready!"
That's the problem with these tin hatted conspiracy nutters against the vaccine.
Boris Johnson should order millions of this Russian vaccine and get the Uk vaccinated as soon as possible so we can get back to the new normal. |
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"bet they stole it from us in one of their cyber attacks
There was a report a couple of weeks ago about Russians hacking the Oxford vaccine project... so they could now be doing the large scale testing for us.
all these crazy conspiracy theories....tinfoil hats at the ready!
That's the problem with these tin hatted conspiracy nutters against the vaccine.
Boris Johnson should order millions of this Russian vaccine and get the Uk vaccinated as soon as possible so we can get back to the new normal."
Dave's going to be devastated when he discovers the safety checks and regulations that pharmaceuticals have to go through. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"bet they stole it from us in one of their cyber attacks
There was a report a couple of weeks ago about Russians hacking the Oxford vaccine project... so they could now be doing the large scale testing for us.
all these crazy conspiracy theories....tinfoil hats at the ready!
That's the problem with these tin hatted conspiracy nutters against the vaccine.
Boris Johnson should order millions of this Russian vaccine and get the Uk vaccinated as soon as possible so we can get back to the new normal.
Dave's going to be devastated when he discovers the safety checks and regulations that pharmaceuticals have to go through."
You mean I can't sell vaccines from the DIY kit I ordered from aliexpress? Oh man, that nanny state interferes in everything. |
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"bet they stole it from us in one of their cyber attacks
There was a report a couple of weeks ago about Russians hacking the Oxford vaccine project... so they could now be doing the large scale testing for us.
all these crazy conspiracy theories....tinfoil hats at the ready!
That's the problem with these tin hatted conspiracy nutters against the vaccine.
Boris Johnson should order millions of this Russian vaccine and get the Uk vaccinated as soon as possible so we can get back to the new normal.
Dave's going to be devastated when he discovers the safety checks and regulations that pharmaceuticals have to go through.
You mean I can't sell vaccines from the DIY kit I ordered from aliexpress? Oh man, that nanny state interferes in everything."
It's utterly appalling. They should let business thrive and stop all this red tape so we can inject whatever we like into millions of people.
Safety and efficacy. Such snowflakes we are. |
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over a year ago
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"Russia have a vaccine
Woohoo  "
No phase 3 testing..
Putin just wants to bliw his trumpet, I wont be touching it. Probably based on stolen Lab data from the West and we know what happens when they did that last time..
Concordski..!!! |
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"Russia have a vaccine
Woohoo
No phase 3 testing..
Putin just wants to bliw his trumpet, I wont be touching it. Probably based on stolen Lab data from the West and we know what happens when they did that last time..
Concordski..!!!"
Pesky russians with their devious ways.
I hope our brave fearless spies are on the case. |
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"Russia have a vaccine
Woohoo
No phase 3 testing..
Putin just wants to bliw his trumpet, I wont be touching it. Probably based on stolen Lab data from the West and we know what happens when they did that last time..
Concordski..!!!
Pesky russians with their devious ways.
I hope our brave fearless spies are on the case."
(Is this a Blackadder callback? lol)
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"Russia have a vaccine
Woohoo
No phase 3 testing..
Putin just wants to bliw his trumpet, I wont be touching it. Probably based on stolen Lab data from the West and we know what happens when they did that last time..
Concordski..!!!
Pesky russians with their devious ways.
I hope our brave fearless spies are on the case.
(Is this a Blackadder callback? lol)
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