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"Former UK Scientists says, UK could go back to Locked Down next month. " I’d like to place £10 on the words “wake up people” being used at least three times in this thread please x | |||
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"Former UK Scientists says, UK could go back to Locked Down next month. I’d like to place £10 on the words “wake up people” being used at least three times in this thread please x" Wake up people!!!! (Give you a head start)  | |||
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"Former UK Scientists says, UK could go back to Locked Down next month. " I hope it does. Life was simpler in lockdown. | |||
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"Former UK Scientists says, UK could go back to Locked Down next month. I hope it does. Life was simpler in lockdown. " And who's going to end up paying for all this in the long run | |||
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"Yes as schools might open then, it is to early for them to open, they have to find another way of teaching like virtual teaching." Talk of shutting pubs so schools can stay open. I can't wait to see that!  | |||
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"Former UK Scientists says, UK could go back to Locked Down next month. I hope it does. Life was simpler in lockdown. " I worked right through and I quite enjoyed it. | |||
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"Yes as schools might open then, it is to early for them to open, they have to find another way of teaching like virtual teaching. Talk of shutting pubs so schools can stay open. I can't wait to see that! "It's not that simple... Or binary. The 80 year old scientist who is being reported on, said it was down to the lack of any working track and trace process and that serco are running it and not local authorities. | |||
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"Yes as schools might open then, it is to early for them to open, they have to find another way of teaching like virtual teaching." There has been no case anywhere of a pupil infecting a teacher, children are a no risk. Get the kids back normal to school hours in September. | |||
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"Why would we need to go back into lockdown , deaths due to COVID are low , testing is up and local isolation is working , all because some old ex professor says so? " The test-and-trace scheme is atrocious. People (sometimes) get a call and there's no follow-up. How can they say its working? The R rate will increase when schools open. Mix that in with the fact rates are already increasing in parts of Europe again & you're cooking up a storm. We already ignored what was happening in Europe the first time around - would be foolish to ignore it again (although I wouldn't put it past them.) People should really expect a small number of lockdowns here and there over time. It's the best way to minimise virus spread. Not saying it'll happen, mind. | |||
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"Former UK Scientists says, UK could go back to Locked Down next month. I hope it does. Life was simpler in lockdown. " Yes same here. I liked it more during lockdown too, it was alot calmer outside as well | |||
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"Former UK Scientists says, UK could go back to Locked Down next month. I hope it does. Life was simpler in lockdown. I worked right through and I quite enjoyed it. " Me to pal one day off since it all started I'm not even a key worker | |||
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"Yes as schools might open then, it is to early for them to open, they have to find another way of teaching like virtual teaching. Talk of shutting pubs so schools can stay open. I can't wait to see that! "Yes, that would be good too | |||
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"There has been no case anywhere of a pupil infecting a teacher, children are a no risk. Get the kids back normal to school hours in September. " Why flat out lie? My sister and my friend are a teacher and both know fellow teachers who had had to leave school as a result of becoming ill whilst at school. There's no confirmation that it was definitively a pupil as they barely tested anyone at the time. | |||
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"Yes as schools might open then, it is to early for them to open, they have to find another way of teaching like virtual teaching. Talk of shutting pubs so schools can stay open. I can't wait to see that!
It's not that simple... Or binary. The 80 year old scientist who is being reported on, said it was down to the lack of any working track and trace process and that serco are running it and not local authorities. "I read yesterday that some local authorities are running their own track and trace systems. If people don't leave true contact details, no system will work. | |||
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"Former UK Scientists says, UK could go back to Locked Down next month. I’d like to place £10 on the words “wake up people” being used at least three times in this thread please x" | |||
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"Yes as schools might open then, it is to early for them to open, they have to find another way of teaching like virtual teaching. There has been no case anywhere of a pupil infecting a teacher, children are a no risk. Get the kids back normal to school hours in September. " You mean no known case. Children appear to be less at risk at developing severe reactions to cv19. | |||
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"That'll kill some more then as the Government's own report, that they put out last week, shows that the lockdown killed two people for every three that died of COVID-19 by the beginning of May. However, when you take into account the age of those who died from coronavirus, as well as their underlying health conditions, the loss of life as measured in Quality Adjusted Life Years, or Qalys, for those who died as a result of the lockdown was greater than it was for those who died of COVID-19. This is how the authors of the report put it: The direct COVID-19 deaths account for the majority of all excess deaths. However, when morbidity is taken into account, the estimates for the health impacts from a lockdown and lockdown induced recession are greater in terms of QALYs than the direct COVID-19 deaths. Much of the health impact, particularly in terms of morbidity, will be felt long after the pandemic is assumed to last. No one seems to be bothering about the collateral damage at all. Just wait for the excess deaths from the economic collapse and the ensuing mental health problems as well."
They should lockdown all the over 55 year olds and let the rest of us get on and enjoy our lives.
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"That'll kill some more then as the Government's own report, that they put out last week, shows that the lockdown killed two people for every three that died of COVID-19 by the beginning of May. However, when you take into account the age of those who died from coronavirus, as well as their underlying health conditions, the loss of life as measured in Quality Adjusted Life Years, or Qalys, for those who died as a result of the lockdown was greater than it was for those who died of COVID-19. This is how the authors of the report put it: The direct COVID-19 deaths account for the majority of all excess deaths. However, when morbidity is taken into account, the estimates for the health impacts from a lockdown and lockdown induced recession are greater in terms of QALYs than the direct COVID-19 deaths. Much of the health impact, particularly in terms of morbidity, will be felt long after the pandemic is assumed to last. No one seems to be bothering about the collateral damage at all. Just wait for the excess deaths from the economic collapse and the ensuing mental health problems as well." You do realise that QALY are not deaths? | |||
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"Former UK Scientists says, UK could go back to Locked Down next month. " Former scientist? 'Could' go back? Think a large pinch of salt needs to be added to that headline. | |||
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"Yes as schools might open then, it is to early for them to open, they have to find another way of teaching like virtual teaching. There has been no case anywhere of a pupil infecting a teacher, children are a no risk. Get the kids back normal to school hours in September. " This | |||
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"That'll kill some more then as the Government's own report, that they put out last week, shows that the lockdown killed two people for every three that died of COVID-19 by the beginning of May. However, when you take into account the age of those who died from coronavirus, as well as their underlying health conditions, the loss of life as measured in Quality Adjusted Life Years, or Qalys, for those who died as a result of the lockdown was greater than it was for those who died of COVID-19. This is how the authors of the report put it: The direct COVID-19 deaths account for the majority of all excess deaths. However, when morbidity is taken into account, the estimates for the health impacts from a lockdown and lockdown induced recession are greater in terms of QALYs than the direct COVID-19 deaths. Much of the health impact, particularly in terms of morbidity, will be felt long after the pandemic is assumed to last. No one seems to be bothering about the collateral damage at all. Just wait for the excess deaths from the economic collapse and the ensuing mental health problems as well. You do realise that QALY are not deaths? " In an ideal world we'd like people to live as long as they do without quality of life being reduced. Unfortunately many chronic diseases are managed leading to longer lives but not necessarily extending a decent quality. This is nothing new and yes cv19 will have a longer term health effect than the duration of the pandemic. | |||
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"Yes as schools might open then, it is to early for them to open, they have to find another way of teaching like virtual teaching. There has been no case anywhere of a pupil infecting a teacher, children are a no risk. Get the kids back normal to school hours in September. " 4 schools were closed in Blackpool for kids being tested positive. I hope they don't open the schools yet | |||
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"That'll kill some more then as the Government's own report, that they put out last week, shows that the lockdown killed two people for every three that died of COVID-19 by the beginning of May. However, when you take into account the age of those who died from coronavirus, as well as their underlying health conditions, the loss of life as measured in Quality Adjusted Life Years, or Qalys, for those who died as a result of the lockdown was greater than it was for those who died of COVID-19. This is how the authors of the report put it: The direct COVID-19 deaths account for the majority of all excess deaths. However, when morbidity is taken into account, the estimates for the health impacts from a lockdown and lockdown induced recession are greater in terms of QALYs than the direct COVID-19 deaths. Much of the health impact, particularly in terms of morbidity, will be felt long after the pandemic is assumed to last. No one seems to be bothering about the collateral damage at all. Just wait for the excess deaths from the economic collapse and the ensuing mental health problems as well." The government report very clearly stated 16,000... 10,000 from the care sector who have suffered life expectancy shortening due to limited service. 6,000 which is accounted by late or mid diagnosis through people’s failure to attend ED’s So at best that’s 1 in 3, but in reality it means the balance of the surplus are likely covid so it’s more probable to be 1 in 4. For clarity though the 10,000 would all be classed as terminally ill and are in end of life management. To borrow your phrase... Wake Up People! X | |||
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" They should lockdown all the over 55 year olds and let the rest of us get on and enjoy our lives. The oldies have no quality of life left in them. They just make the young people depressed. "Smart move that. 
They young people will be even more depressed when everything they take for granted stops working because the people with all the experience and knowledge are shut away. | |||
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" They should lockdown all the over 55 year olds and let the rest of us get on and enjoy our lives. The oldies have no quality of life left in them. They just make the young people depressed.
Smart move that.
They young people will be even more depressed when everything they take for granted stops working because the people with all the experience and knowledge are shut away."Hahahaha whit. Fuck up Boomer. | |||
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" They young people will be even more depressed when everything they take for granted stops working because the people with all the experience and knowledge are shut away." What a hot take! Where's the clown emojii when you need it? | |||
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" They should lockdown all the over 55 year olds and let the rest of us get on and enjoy our lives. The oldies have no quality of life left in them. They just make the young people depressed.
Smart move that.
They young people will be even more depressed when everything they take for granted stops working because the people with all the experience and knowledge are shut away.
Hahahaha whit. Fuck up Boomer. "Ikr | |||
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"Yes as schools might open then, it is to early for them to open, they have to find another way of teaching like virtual teaching. There has been no case anywhere of a pupil infecting a teacher, children are a no risk. Get the kids back normal to school hours in September. " The virology blog, article 30 July 2020, "Children Transmit SARS-CoV-2". You're welcome | |||
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"There's probably a reason why he's a 'former' advisor. " Fail reply to the above quote. | |||
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"You mean Sir David King? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_King_(chemist) Probably the fact he's bloody 80 years old. Take a look at this career and disregard his views if you so please "He's bloody brilliant on Indy Sage | |||
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"I need one more “wake up people” for my payout... Come on Fabbers, don’t let me down" It might be Sunday, but it's nearly 2pm. Wake up people | |||
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"I need one more “wake up people” for my payout... Come on Fabbers, don’t let me down" Sheeple, it's Wake up sheeple.........Bloody amateurs | |||
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"There's probably a reason why he's a 'former' advisor. Fail reply to the above quote. " Doesn't change my answer at all. There's still a reason he's no longer an advisor. | |||
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"There's probably a reason why he's a 'former' advisor. Fail reply to the above quote. Doesn't change my answer at all. There's still a reason he's no longer an advisor. " What's the reason? Please enlighten us x | |||
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"There's probably a reason why he's a 'former' advisor. Fail reply to the above quote. Doesn't change my answer at all. There's still a reason he's no longer an advisor. What's the reason? Please enlighten us x" Did I say I knew? Nope, I just said there's probably a reason. Go pick a fight elsewhere, I'm not interested. | |||
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"Not sure how your comment added to the conversation in that case, but no bother. Have a lovely sunny day! " | |||
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"Former UK Scientists says, UK could go back to Locked Down next month. " He probably thinks Brexit will be a disaster to read this and the negativity is unreal. He could be right but more like to be wrong due to many other factors | |||
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"There's probably a reason why he's a 'former' advisor. Fail reply to the above quote. Doesn't change my answer at all. There's still a reason he's no longer an advisor. What's the reason? Please enlighten us x Did I say I knew? Nope, I just said there's probably a reason. Go pick a fight elsewhere, I'm not interested. " The inference is pretty clear in your statement as was the purpose. | |||
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"There's probably a reason why he's a 'former' advisor. Fail reply to the above quote. Doesn't change my answer at all. There's still a reason he's no longer an advisor. What's the reason? Please enlighten us x Did I say I knew? Nope, I just said there's probably a reason. Go pick a fight elsewhere, I'm not interested. The inference is pretty clear in your statement as was the purpose. " I said probably, meaning it's likely but I wasn't positive | |||
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"Yes as schools might open then, it is to early for them to open, they have to find another way of teaching like virtual teaching. Talk of shutting pubs so schools can stay open. I can't wait to see that! "A trade id make without reservation. | |||
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"That'll kill some more then as the Government's own report, that they put out last week, shows that the lockdown killed two people for every three that died of COVID-19 by the beginning of May. However, when you take into account the age of those who died from coronavirus, as well as their underlying health conditions, the loss of life as measured in Quality Adjusted Life Years, or Qalys, for those who died as a result of the lockdown was greater than it was for those who died of COVID-19. This is how the authors of the report put it: The direct COVID-19 deaths account for the majority of all excess deaths. However, when morbidity is taken into account, the estimates for the health impacts from a lockdown and lockdown induced recession are greater in terms of QALYs than the direct COVID-19 deaths. Much of the health impact, particularly in terms of morbidity, will be felt long after the pandemic is assumed to last. No one seems to be bothering about the collateral damage at all. Just wait for the excess deaths from the economic collapse and the ensuing mental health problems as well.
They should lockdown all the over 55 year olds and let the rest of us get on and enjoy our lives.
The oldies have no quality of life left in them. They just make the young people depressed. "just look back at to March when the country went into lockdown , no toilet tolls and food shortage in the shops , the shops were restocked due to lorry drivers still working who are over the age of 55 , ppe to hospitals , again lorry drivers over 55 , let’s hope they lock people over 55 down . Then see what happens when there’s no food etc in the shops , I look forward to a rest while the younger generation complain that they can’t get their Mac Donald’s or what other trash they eat , rant over stay safe | |||
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" They young people will be even more depressed when everything they take for granted stops working because the people with all the experience and knowledge are shut away. What a hot take! Where's the clown emojii when you need it? " I’m with him, seems they stopped teaching life skills and common sense in schools about 20 years or so ago, can’t get a tradesman for love nor money that’s does a decent job these days, probably why all the UK industry is being shipped out abroad more and more each year. | |||
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" They young people will be even more depressed when everything they take for granted stops working because the people with all the experience and knowledge are shut away. What a hot take! Where's the clown emojii when you need it? I’m with him, seems they stopped teaching life skills and common sense in schools about 20 years or so ago, can’t get a tradesman for love nor money that’s does a decent job these days, probably why all the UK industry is being shipped out abroad more and more each year. " They had to make room for the module on deconstructivist perspectives on colonial imperialism and to go through the gender thesaurus. Something had to go mate, sorry. | |||
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" They young people will be even more depressed when everything they take for granted stops working because the people with all the experience and knowledge are shut away. What a hot take! Where's the clown emojii when you need it? I’m with him, seems they stopped teaching life skills and common sense in schools about 20 years or so ago, can’t get a tradesman for love nor money that’s does a decent job these days, probably why all the UK industry is being shipped out abroad more and more each year. They had to make room for the module on deconstructivist perspectives on colonial imperialism and to go through the gender thesaurus. Something had to go mate, sorry. " It's a shame your imperialist model of pedagogical methods is no longer congruent with current ideas and you struggle to maintain contemporaneous models of understanding. Kids generally do better, fortunately. | |||
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" They should lockdown all the over 55 year olds and let the rest of us get on and enjoy our lives. The oldies have no quality of life left in them. They just make the young people depressed. " | |||
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"Former UK Scientists says, UK could go back to Locked Down next month. " Key word in your OP "Former" as in not got a say, not got any influence....probably not got a clue! | |||
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"Yes as schools might open then, it is to early for them to open, they have to find another way of teaching like virtual teaching. There has been no case anywhere of a pupil infecting a teacher, children are a no risk. Get the kids back normal to school hours in September. " Children no risk?? Tell that to the 7 year old parents who died last week the risk is not just the old etc | |||
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"Former UK Scientists says, UK could go back to Locked Down next month. I hope it does. Life was simpler in lockdown. I worked right through and I quite enjoyed it. " I worked right through and loved it 1 hour 15 to reditich driving steady, centre of Manchester in an hour normally a 2 hour drive either lock down or every one other than me needs to work from home and don't get me started on the absaloute fucking knobs that are in the roads all of a sudden who don't seem to even realise they are driving a car let alone what indicators are. | |||
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" Hahahaha whit. Fuck up Boomer. " I only speak English. | |||
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"Former UK Scientists says, UK could go back to Locked Down next month. " I see riots in the streets, business closing down, the unemployment line getting longer, mental health getting worse, family braking up. | |||
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" They should lockdown all the over 55 year olds and let the rest of us get on and enjoy our lives. The oldies have no quality of life left in them. They just make the young people depressed.
Smart move that.
They young people will be even more depressed when everything they take for granted stops working because the people with all the experience and knowledge are shut away."How true | |||
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" They should lockdown all the over 55 year olds and let the rest of us get on and enjoy our lives. The oldies have no quality of life left in them. They just make the young people depressed.
Smart move that.
They young people will be even more depressed when everything they take for granted stops working because the people with all the experience and knowledge are shut away. How true "Oh good another fucking one. Why does your entire generation think people actually need you for anything | |||
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"That'll kill some more then as the Government's own report, that they put out last week, shows that the lockdown killed two people for every three that died of COVID-19 by the beginning of May. However, when you take into account the age of those who died from coronavirus, as well as their underlying health conditions, the loss of life as measured in Quality Adjusted Life Years, or Qalys, for those who died as a result of the lockdown was greater than it was for those who died of COVID-19. This is how the authors of the report put it: The direct COVID-19 deaths account for the majority of all excess deaths. However, when morbidity is taken into account, the estimates for the health impacts from a lockdown and lockdown induced recession are greater in terms of QALYs than the direct COVID-19 deaths. Much of the health impact, particularly in terms of morbidity, will be felt long after the pandemic is assumed to last. No one seems to be bothering about the collateral damage at all. Just wait for the excess deaths from the economic collapse and the ensuing mental health problems as well.
They should lockdown all the over 55 year olds and let the rest of us get on and enjoy our lives.
The oldies have no quality of life left in them. They just make the young people depressed. "Hidden yourself ! About right | |||
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"Former UK Scientists says, UK could go back to Locked Down next month. I hope it does. Life was simpler in lockdown. And who's going to end up paying for all this in the long run" Taxpayers? | |||
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"Yes, let’s all go on another lockdown and fuck the country up totally ! 20 million unemployed and people queuing around the block, not to get in a supermarket but for a food bank. Never mind the NHS marching yesterday asking for more wages, half of them will be lucky to have jobs if we have mass unemployment and no taxes coming in to find it ! This country is in a furlough blanket wrapped bubble that’s going to burst in October with potentially mass unemployment, all you will hear then is ‘why wasn’t we told this would happen, we would have gone back to work sooner’. Make no mistake, if people don’t get their arses into gear and start learning to live with this virus then the economic devastation will be unrepairable for years to come !!!!!" Here, here. Total agreement. | |||
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"Yes as schools might open then, it is to early for them to open, they have to find another way of teaching like virtual teaching. There has been no case anywhere of a pupil infecting a teacher, children are a no risk. Get the kids back normal to school hours in September. Children no risk?? Tell that to the 7 year old parents who died last week the risk is not just the old etc " so you're saying that because one 7 year old died in Georgia, USA we should keep schools closed. I'm assuming since you are searching internationally for your justifications, you are suggesting all schools worldwide should remain closed. As for the post about a friend of a friend caught something at school from somebody. Seriously? | |||
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"It probably should be but it won't be. " I agree, it’s Very unlikely we will have another national lockdown. We will just have local lockdowns, or certain sectors of the economy will be shut at national level. But we will not have everything shut everywhere like we did in March. | |||
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" They should lockdown all the over 55 year olds and let the rest of us get on and enjoy our lives. The oldies have no quality of life left in them. They just make the young people depressed.
Smart move that.
They young people will be even more depressed when everything they take for granted stops working because the people with all the experience and knowledge are shut away. How true
Oh good another fucking one. Why does your entire generation think people actually need you for anything"Why do some people of your age think you know everything that you won't need help from another person one day | |||
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"Yes as schools might open then, it is to early for them to open, they have to find another way of teaching like virtual teaching. There has been no case anywhere of a pupil infecting a teacher, children are a no risk. Get the kids back normal to school hours in September. Children no risk?? Tell that to the 7 year old parents who died last week the risk is not just the old etc so you're saying that because one 7 year old died in Georgia, USA we should keep schools closed. I'm assuming since you are searching internationally for your justifications, you are suggesting all schools worldwide should remain closed. As for the post about a friend of a friend caught something at school from somebody. Seriously?" 5 children under the age of 18 have do far died from covid n the uk that isn't international is it Age isn't a factor to this | |||
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"Yes as schools might open then, it is to early for them to open, they have to find another way of teaching like virtual teaching. There has been no case anywhere of a pupil infecting a teacher, children are a no risk. Get the kids back normal to school hours in September. Children no risk?? Tell that to the 7 year old parents who died last week the risk is not just the old etc so you're saying that because one 7 year old died in Georgia, USA we should keep schools closed. I'm assuming since you are searching internationally for your justifications, you are suggesting all schools worldwide should remain closed. As for the post about a friend of a friend caught something at school from somebody. Seriously? 5 children under the age of 18 have do far died from covid n the uk that isn't international is it Age isn't a factor to this " Around 40,000 people have died with covid, 5 of them were under 18. How can you say age isn't a factor? | |||
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"Yes as schools might open then, it is to early for them to open, they have to find another way of teaching like virtual teaching. There has been no case anywhere of a pupil infecting a teacher, children are a no risk. Get the kids back normal to school hours in September. Children no risk?? Tell that to the 7 year old parents who died last week the risk is not just the old etc so you're saying that because one 7 year old died in Georgia, USA we should keep schools closed. I'm assuming since you are searching internationally for your justifications, you are suggesting all schools worldwide should remain closed. As for the post about a friend of a friend caught something at school from somebody. Seriously? 5 children under the age of 18 have do far died from covid n the uk that isn't international is it Age isn't a factor to this Around 40,000 people have died with covid, 5 of them were under 18. How can you say age isn't a factor?" Because the range of them 40,000 isn't just limited to a certain age group etc Ranges from young to old all ages in between fit or underlying conditions covid really isn't fussy. as the schools broke up not long after lockdown maybe that helped with under 18 death rate until schools go back to full compliance We wont see true number.. | |||
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"Former UK Scientists says, UK could go back to Locked Down next month. I hope it does. Life was simpler in lockdown. And who's going to end up paying for all this in the long run Taxpayers? " Baraycard? That's how it works right? | |||
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"Yes as schools might open then, it is to early for them to open, they have to find another way of teaching like virtual teaching. There has been no case anywhere of a pupil infecting a teacher, children are a no risk. Get the kids back normal to school hours in September. Children no risk?? Tell that to the 7 year old parents who died last week the risk is not just the old etc so you're saying that because one 7 year old died in Georgia, USA we should keep schools closed. I'm assuming since you are searching internationally for your justifications, you are suggesting all schools worldwide should remain closed. As for the post about a friend of a friend caught something at school from somebody. Seriously? 5 children under the age of 18 have do far died from covid n the uk that isn't international is it Age isn't a factor to this Around 40,000 people have died with covid, 5 of them were under 18. How can you say age isn't a factor? Because the range of them 40,000 isn't just limited to a certain age group etc Ranges from young to old all ages in between fit or underlying conditions covid really isn't fussy. as the schools broke up not long after lockdown maybe that helped with under 18 death rate until schools go back to full compliance We wont see true number.." The single biggest predictor, worldwide, of Covid related death is age. Mainly being over 65. The next biggest predictors are diabetes, cardiovascular disease and kidney disease. The problem is that there are many apparently healthy people with "no underlying health condition" who actually have pre diabetes and/or mild cardiovascular disease eg atherosclerosis. Pretty much anyone over 65 will have some level of cardiovascular changes, irrespective of their diet, exercise ref etc, because the simple fact is blood vessels get less flexible as you age. Diabetes involves cardiovascular changes and affects the kidneys and there are plenty of people, often overweight (including children) who are undiagnosed with early or pre diabetes. The number of children under 18 who have died of Covid worldwide is a tiny, tiny percentage of the total. It's not good, obviously, but children are overwhelmingly safe from serious disease. The risks of keeping them cooped up, under educated, under socialised are far higher in the long run. | |||
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"Yes as schools might open then, it is to early for them to open, they have to find another way of teaching like virtual teaching. There has been no case anywhere of a pupil infecting a teacher, children are a no risk. Get the kids back normal to school hours in September. Children no risk?? Tell that to the 7 year old parents who died last week the risk is not just the old etc so you're saying that because one 7 year old died in Georgia, USA we should keep schools closed. I'm assuming since you are searching internationally for your justifications, you are suggesting all schools worldwide should remain closed. As for the post about a friend of a friend caught something at school from somebody. Seriously? 5 children under the age of 18 have do far died from covid n the uk that isn't international is it Age isn't a factor to this Around 40,000 people have died with covid, 5 of them were under 18. How can you say age isn't a factor? Because the range of them 40,000 isn't just limited to a certain age group etc Ranges from young to old all ages in between fit or underlying conditions covid really isn't fussy. as the schools broke up not long after lockdown maybe that helped with under 18 death rate until schools go back to full compliance We wont see true number.. The single biggest predictor, worldwide, of Covid related death is age. Mainly being over 65. The next biggest predictors are diabetes, cardiovascular disease and kidney disease. The problem is that there are many apparently healthy people with "no underlying health condition" who actually have pre diabetes and/or mild cardiovascular disease eg atherosclerosis. Pretty much anyone over 65 will have some level of cardiovascular changes, irrespective of their diet, exercise ref etc, because the simple fact is blood vessels get less flexible as you age. Diabetes involves cardiovascular changes and affects the kidneys and there are plenty of people, often overweight (including children) who are undiagnosed with early or pre diabetes. The number of children under 18 who have died of Covid worldwide is a tiny, tiny percentage of the total. It's not good, obviously, but children are overwhelmingly safe from serious disease. The risks of keeping them cooped up, under educated, under socialised are far higher in the long run. " I am not doubting that but there is still a risk in children all be it a small one but still a risk let's see if pubs have to close for schools to stay open what peoples options will be then of keeping these kids cooped up | |||
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"Yes as schools might open then, it is to early for them to open, they have to find another way of teaching like virtual teaching. There has been no case anywhere of a pupil infecting a teacher, children are a no risk. Get the kids back normal to school hours in September. Children no risk?? Tell that to the 7 year old parents who died last week the risk is not just the old etc so you're saying that because one 7 year old died in Georgia, USA we should keep schools closed. I'm assuming since you are searching internationally for your justifications, you are suggesting all schools worldwide should remain closed. As for the post about a friend of a friend caught something at school from somebody. Seriously? 5 children under the age of 18 have do far died from covid n the uk that isn't international is it Age isn't a factor to this Around 40,000 people have died with covid, 5 of them were under 18. How can you say age isn't a factor? Because the range of them 40,000 isn't just limited to a certain age group etc Ranges from young to old all ages in between fit or underlying conditions covid really isn't fussy. as the schools broke up not long after lockdown maybe that helped with under 18 death rate until schools go back to full compliance We wont see true number.. The single biggest predictor, worldwide, of Covid related death is age. Mainly being over 65. The next biggest predictors are diabetes, cardiovascular disease and kidney disease. The problem is that there are many apparently healthy people with "no underlying health condition" who actually have pre diabetes and/or mild cardiovascular disease eg atherosclerosis. Pretty much anyone over 65 will have some level of cardiovascular changes, irrespective of their diet, exercise ref etc, because the simple fact is blood vessels get less flexible as you age. Diabetes involves cardiovascular changes and affects the kidneys and there are plenty of people, often overweight (including children) who are undiagnosed with early or pre diabetes. The number of children under 18 who have died of Covid worldwide is a tiny, tiny percentage of the total. It's not good, obviously, but children are overwhelmingly safe from serious disease. The risks of keeping them cooped up, under educated, under socialised are far higher in the long run. I am not doubting that but there is still a risk in children all be it a small one but still a risk let's see if pubs have to close for schools to stay open what peoples options will be then of keeping these kids cooped up "Opinions should of said ** | |||
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"Just out of interest... And preface with I may have misunderstood the ons data... But having a quick poke around the latest ons data.... There are lots of "interesting" observations... Only 2 I want to highlight... 1)Men are 50 percent more likely to die of covid than women. 2) 90 percent of male deaths and 95 percent of female deaths from covid were aged 65 or above. I'm an advocate of firm measures and enforcement but it seems there is some merit in managing the over 65s better and letting the under 65s be alert and getting on with things a bit more. " One further addition...of note.. Over 90 per cent of covid deaths were for people with at least one other preexisting condition. | |||
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"Yes as schools might open then, it is to early for them to open, they have to find another way of teaching like virtual teaching. There has been no case anywhere of a pupil infecting a teacher, children are a no risk. Get the kids back normal to school hours in September. Children no risk?? Tell that to the 7 year old parents who died last week the risk is not just the old etc so you're saying that because one 7 year old died in Georgia, USA we should keep schools closed. I'm assuming since you are searching internationally for your justifications, you are suggesting all schools worldwide should remain closed. As for the post about a friend of a friend caught something at school from somebody. Seriously? 5 children under the age of 18 have do far died from covid n the uk that isn't international is it Age isn't a factor to this Around 40,000 people have died with covid, 5 of them were under 18. How can you say age isn't a factor? Because the range of them 40,000 isn't just limited to a certain age group etc Ranges from young to old all ages in between fit or underlying conditions covid really isn't fussy. as the schools broke up not long after lockdown maybe that helped with under 18 death rate until schools go back to full compliance We wont see true number.. The single biggest predictor, worldwide, of Covid related death is age. Mainly being over 65. The next biggest predictors are diabetes, cardiovascular disease and kidney disease. The problem is that there are many apparently healthy people with "no underlying health condition" who actually have pre diabetes and/or mild cardiovascular disease eg atherosclerosis. Pretty much anyone over 65 will have some level of cardiovascular changes, irrespective of their diet, exercise ref etc, because the simple fact is blood vessels get less flexible as you age. Diabetes involves cardiovascular changes and affects the kidneys and there are plenty of people, often overweight (including children) who are undiagnosed with early or pre diabetes. The number of children under 18 who have died of Covid worldwide is a tiny, tiny percentage of the total. It's not good, obviously, but children are overwhelmingly safe from serious disease. The risks of keeping them cooped up, under educated, under socialised are far higher in the long run. " You make a great point. | |||
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"Yes as schools might open then, it is to early for them to open, they have to find another way of teaching like virtual teaching. There has been no case anywhere of a pupil infecting a teacher, children are a no risk. Get the kids back normal to school hours in September. Children no risk?? Tell that to the 7 year old parents who died last week the risk is not just the old etc so you're saying that because one 7 year old died in Georgia, USA we should keep schools closed. I'm assuming since you are searching internationally for your justifications, you are suggesting all schools worldwide should remain closed. As for the post about a friend of a friend caught something at school from somebody. Seriously? 5 children under the age of 18 have do far died from covid n the uk that isn't international is it Age isn't a factor to this Around 40,000 people have died with covid, 5 of them were under 18. How can you say age isn't a factor? Because the range of them 40,000 isn't just limited to a certain age group etc Ranges from young to old all ages in between fit or underlying conditions covid really isn't fussy. as the schools broke up not long after lockdown maybe that helped with under 18 death rate until schools go back to full compliance We wont see true number.. The single biggest predictor, worldwide, of Covid related death is age. Mainly being over 65. The next biggest predictors are diabetes, cardiovascular disease and kidney disease. The problem is that there are many apparently healthy people with "no underlying health condition" who actually have pre diabetes and/or mild cardiovascular disease eg atherosclerosis. Pretty much anyone over 65 will have some level of cardiovascular changes, irrespective of their diet, exercise ref etc, because the simple fact is blood vessels get less flexible as you age. Diabetes involves cardiovascular changes and affects the kidneys and there are plenty of people, often overweight (including children) who are undiagnosed with early or pre diabetes. The number of children under 18 who have died of Covid worldwide is a tiny, tiny percentage of the total. It's not good, obviously, but children are overwhelmingly safe from serious disease. The risks of keeping them cooped up, under educated, under socialised are far higher in the long run. I am not doubting that but there is still a risk in children all be it a small one but still a risk let's see if pubs have to close for schools to stay open what peoples options will be then of keeping these kids cooped up
Opinions should of said **"There is never no risk though. A child might catch another respiratory bug and become very ill or die from it. Influenza vaccines are given to the youngest and oldest in society for a reason. My eldest was exceptionally ill with pneumonia, possibly another type of coronavirus, back in the early 2000s and he could easily have died. However, the risk to children from this virus is no more than any other yet the potential long term health implications for no/little exercise, lack of social opportunities, lack of general interactions with people of all age groups (critical for cognitive development) and lack of education are huge. We can't have the next generation lacking in fundamental education because they will be the long term blip in employment opportunities, in between the slightly older and slightly younger groups who will have been properly educated. I'm in the age group who graduated into the 2008 recession and my wages continue to be lower than the people 10yrs ahead of me, when they were at the same stage of their careers. That's because we started out on suppressed wages and we've continued from there ever since. Suppressed in comparison to where they would have been without the recession. | |||
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"Yes, let’s all go on another lockdown and fuck the country up totally ! 20 million unemployed and people queuing around the block, not to get in a supermarket but for a food bank. Never mind the NHS marching yesterday asking for more wages, half of them will be lucky to have jobs if we have mass unemployment and no taxes coming in to find it ! This country is in a furlough blanket wrapped bubble that’s going to burst in October with potentially mass unemployment, all you will hear then is ‘why wasn’t we told this would happen, we would have gone back to work sooner’. Make no mistake, if people don’t get their arses into gear and start learning to live with this virus then the economic devastation will be unrepairable for years to come !!!!!" Both the chancellor & the Bank of England have said furlough is ending in October The country is in nearly 2 trillion in debt We can’t borrow more money as we can’t pay the mortgage As of Q1 (the first quarter of) , UK debt amounted to £1.78 trillion, or 86.58% of total GDP, at which time the annual cost of servicing (paying the interest) the public debt amounted to around £48 billion (which is roughly 4% of GDP or 8% of UK government tax income). That’s a debt of £33,000 per employed person If massive unemployment happens we can’t finance the interest with more loans. | |||
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"Professor A says its B. Professor B says 'Ay'? Professor C isn't yet famous so he'll say anything to be so. Professor Fergusson was a 'bit' famous and isn't now so he will say anything to be famous again. Professor Popkiss is too busy with SuperCar and Brains is just a Puppet so he'll say anything anyone wants him to. Everyone has an opinion and much of it isn't science and even if it was mostly it's still just a guess. Statistics is a Science but not one practiced very often by Scientists. They can't even properly postulate the theory never mind begin a route to a clear answer. It's all right, but mostly it's actually all wrong. "Are you intimidated or resentful of expertise? | |||
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"Professor A says its B. Professor B says 'Ay'? Professor C isn't yet famous so he'll say anything to be so. Professor Fergusson was a 'bit' famous and isn't now so he will say anything to be famous again. Professor Popkiss is too busy with SuperCar and Brains is just a Puppet so he'll say anything anyone wants him to. Everyone has an opinion and much of it isn't science and even if it was mostly it's still just a guess. Statistics is a Science but not one practiced very often by Scientists. They can't even properly postulate the theory never mind begin a route to a clear answer. It's all right, but mostly it's actually all wrong.
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"Former UK Scientists says, UK could go back to Locked Down next month. " Ermmm nope, they won't have a nationwide shutdown again, the government know the economy couldn't cope. So lots of local lockdowns with various degrees of severity | |||
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"Former UK Scientists says, UK could go back to Locked Down next month. " So not a real scientist then | |||
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"Yes as schools might open then, it is to early for them to open, they have to find another way of teaching like virtual teaching. There has been no case anywhere of a pupil infecting a teacher, children are a no risk. Get the kids back normal to school hours in September. " I’m a teacher 10 out of 20 staff were infected the week before lock down. Since lockdown I know 5 teachers that were infected teaching keyworker children (and no they weren’t going to Tesco as their non keynworking spouses/ children were doing that) so that is just not true. | |||
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"Yes as schools might open then, it is to early for them to open, they have to find another way of teaching like virtual teaching. There has been no case anywhere of a pupil infecting a teacher, children are a no risk. Get the kids back normal to school hours in September. Children no risk?? Tell that to the 7 year old parents who died last week the risk is not just the old etc so you're saying that because one 7 year old died in Georgia, USA we should keep schools closed. I'm assuming since you are searching internationally for your justifications, you are suggesting all schools worldwide should remain closed. As for the post about a friend of a friend caught something at school from somebody. Seriously? 5 children under the age of 18 have do far died from covid n the uk that isn't international is it Age isn't a factor to this Around 40,000 people have died with covid, 5 of them were under 18. How can you say age isn't a factor? Because the range of them 40,000 isn't just limited to a certain age group etc Ranges from young to old all ages in between fit or underlying conditions covid really isn't fussy. as the schools broke up not long after lockdown maybe that helped with under 18 death rate until schools go back to full compliance We wont see true number.. The single biggest predictor, worldwide, of Covid related death is age. Mainly being over 65. The next biggest predictors are diabetes, cardiovascular disease and kidney disease. The problem is that there are many apparently healthy people with "no underlying health condition" who actually have pre diabetes and/or mild cardiovascular disease eg atherosclerosis. Pretty much anyone over 65 will have some level of cardiovascular changes, irrespective of their diet, exercise ref etc, because the simple fact is blood vessels get less flexible as you age. Diabetes involves cardiovascular changes and affects the kidneys and there are plenty of people, often overweight (including children) who are undiagnosed with early or pre diabetes. The number of children under 18 who have died of Covid worldwide is a tiny, tiny percentage of the total. It's not good, obviously, but children are overwhelmingly safe from serious disease. The risks of keeping them cooped up, under educated, under socialised are far higher in the long run. " The risk isn’t to the children it’s to the staff and to the families of the children when they bring the virus home. | |||
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"Former UK Scientists says, UK could go back to Locked Down next month. " https://www.newscientist.com/article/2248216-why-hasnt-the-uk-seen-a-second-wave-of-the-coronavirus/ This tells a slightly different story! | |||
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"Death rate is down as in general far fewer people are infected when compared to the peak in April. However our daily cases were double on Sunday over 1000 than around 500 a day at the start of July. We have only surpressed the virus, but we still have no cure or vaccination yet. This virus could easily surge right back, if people are complacent or indeed reckless. Younger people are accounting for most new infections and whilst it is unlikely they'll need hospitalisation or die from it. The risk is still there and could be deadly if spread to older relatives. Globally the death rate is 5% from confirmed closed cases and has been dropping slowly for a number of months. Figure obtained from Worldmeters. The true Covid 19 death rate according to scientists is around 3.4% The Flu is less than 1%. " We need to get as many young people as possible infected before the winter | |||
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"Just out of interest... And preface with I may have misunderstood the ons data... But having a quick poke around the latest ons data.... There are lots of "interesting" observations... Only 2 I want to highlight... 1)Men are 50 percent more likely to die of covid than women. 2) 90 percent of male deaths and 95 percent of female deaths from covid were aged 65 or above. I'm an advocate of firm measures and enforcement but it seems there is some merit in managing the over 65s better and letting the under 65s be alert and getting on with things a bit more. " They could be easily managed by moving them all out of society. Cut off all family contact. Because the under 65's aren't alert or being careful to socially distance. The groups who supposedly are at lower risk of dying think it's just bad flu. They will be fine. Doesn't matter that they may pass it on to an older or at risk person. Got to live and have fun. | |||
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"Yes as schools might open then, it is to early for them to open, they have to find another way of teaching like virtual teaching. Talk of shutting pubs so schools can stay open. I can't wait to see that!
It's not that simple... Or binary. The 80 year old scientist who is being reported on, said it was down to the lack of any working track and trace process and that serco are running it and not local authorities.
I read yesterday that some local authorities are running their own track and trace systems.
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"Yes as schools might open then, it is to early for them to open, they have to find another way of teaching like virtual teaching. There has been no case anywhere of a pupil infecting a teacher, children are a no risk. Get the kids back normal to school hours in September. Children no risk?? Tell that to the 7 year old parents who died last week the risk is not just the old etc so you're saying that because one 7 year old died in Georgia, USA we should keep schools closed. I'm assuming since you are searching internationally for your justifications, you are suggesting all schools worldwide should remain closed. As for the post about a friend of a friend caught something at school from somebody. Seriously? 5 children under the age of 18 have do far died from covid n the uk that isn't international is it Age isn't a factor to this Around 40,000 people have died with covid, 5 of them were under 18. How can you say age isn't a factor? Because the range of them 40,000 isn't just limited to a certain age group etc Ranges from young to old all ages in between fit or underlying conditions covid really isn't fussy. as the schools broke up not long after lockdown maybe that helped with under 18 death rate until schools go back to full compliance We wont see true number.." More children have died from drowning in the last few months than covid but I don't see us closing all access to bodies of water. | |||
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"Yes as schools might open then, it is to early for them to open, they have to find another way of teaching like virtual teaching." We've been doing that since late March. The kids actually want to go back. Whether it's safe is still under debate. | |||
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"Yes as schools might open then, it is to early for them to open, they have to find another way of teaching like virtual teaching. Talk of shutting pubs so schools can stay open. I can't wait to see that!
It's not that simple... Or binary. The 80 year old scientist who is being reported on, said it was down to the lack of any working track and trace process and that serco are running it and not local authorities.
I read yesterday that some local authorities are running their own track and trace systems.
If people don't leave true contact details, no system will work.
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"Yes as schools might open then, it is to early for them to open, they have to find another way of teaching like virtual teaching. Talk of shutting pubs so schools can stay open. I can't wait to see that!
It's not that simple... Or binary. The 80 year old scientist who is being reported on, said it was down to the lack of any working track and trace process and that serco are running it and not local authorities.
I read yesterday that some local authorities are running their own track and trace systems.
If people don't leave true contact details, no system will work.
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"Yes as schools might open then, it is to early for them to open, they have to find another way of teaching like virtual teaching. There has been no case anywhere of a pupil infecting a teacher, children are a no risk. Get the kids back normal to school hours in September. Children no risk?? Tell that to the 7 year old parents who died last week the risk is not just the old etc so you're saying that because one 7 year old died in Georgia, USA we should keep schools closed. I'm assuming since you are searching internationally for your justifications, you are suggesting all schools worldwide should remain closed. As for the post about a friend of a friend caught something at school from somebody. Seriously? 5 children under the age of 18 have do far died from covid n the uk that isn't international is it Age isn't a factor to this Around 40,000 people have died with covid, 5 of them were under 18. How can you say age isn't a factor? Because the range of them 40,000 isn't just limited to a certain age group etc Ranges from young to old all ages in between fit or underlying conditions covid really isn't fussy. as the schools broke up not long after lockdown maybe that helped with under 18 death rate until schools go back to full compliance We wont see true number.. More children have died from drowning in the last few months than covid but I don't see us closing all access to bodies of water." | |||
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"Yes as schools might open then, it is to early for them to open, they have to find another way of teaching like virtual teaching. Talk of shutting pubs so schools can stay open. I can't wait to see that!
It's not that simple... Or binary. The 80 year old scientist who is being reported on, said it was down to the lack of any working track and trace process and that serco are running it and not local authorities.
I read yesterday that some local authorities are running their own track and trace systems.
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"Let's be honest it's only slightly more deadly and standard flue bug is there any real need any restrictions.." The death rate is far higher than the flu and the virus spreads more quickly. Do you not recall the model which showed 500k deaths in the UK alone without lockdown? | |||
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"Let's be honest it's only slightly more deadly and standard flue bug is there any real need any restrictions.." Repeating lies doesn't make them true. | |||
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"Let's be honest it's only slightly more deadly and standard flue bug is there any real need any restrictions.." My colleague, who is one year younger than me (25) was on a ventilator for weeks in hospital due to COVID. He almost died. He's had colds and the flu before; the typical experiences with those. COVID can be far more deadly than what you're saying. | |||
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"Let's be honest it's only slightly more deadly and standard flue bug is there any real need any restrictions.. My colleague, who is one year younger than me (25) was on a ventilator for weeks in hospital due to COVID. He almost died. He's had colds and the flu before; the typical experiences with those. COVID can be far more deadly than what you're saying. " 25 year olds nearly die from many things but, as with covid, it's a rare occurrence. | |||
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" 25 year olds nearly die from many things but, as with covid, it's a rare occurrence." Unless they die of course... | |||
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" 25 year olds nearly die from many things but, as with covid, it's a rare occurrence. Unless they die of course..." When it becomes an even rarer occurrence. | |||
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" 25 year olds nearly die from many things but, as with covid, it's a rare occurrence. Unless they die of course... When it becomes an even rarer occurrence. " Dear oh dear... Well, I'm not going to get involved in a battle of wits with an unarmed man. | |||
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"Former UK Scientists says, UK could go back to Locked Down next month. I’d like to place £10 on the words “wake up people” being used at least three times in this thread please x Wake up people!!!! (Give you a head start) "Former scientist ? What are they doing now ? I thought once you have BTEC in science you are permanently a scientist | |||
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"Former UK Scientists says, UK could go back to Locked Down next month. " So a former scientist said something "could" happen.... he probably writes papers on climate change as well. | |||
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"Former UK Scientists says, UK could go back to Locked Down next month. I’d like to place £10 on the words “wake up people” being used at least three times in this thread please x Wake up people!!!! (Give you a head start)
Former scientist ? What are they doing now ? I thought once you have BTEC in science you are permanently a scientist " I may be a scientist, I never knew! | |||
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" 25 year olds nearly die from many things but, as with covid, it's a rare occurrence. Unless they die of course... When it becomes an even rarer occurrence. Dear oh dear... Well, I'm not going to get involved in a battle of wits with an unarmed man." And with that he picks up his football and leaves the playground. | |||
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"More children have died from drowning in the last few months than covid but I don't see us closing all access to bodies of water." Oh yes, remember that time when somebody started drowning and suddenly everyone who came into contact with them severely increased their risk of drowning too? You can try and make a joke about how jumping in to save them would increase your chance of drowning if you wish - but you'll end up describing an allegory for the NHS and virus transmission. Use a better example, mate. | |||
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"Probably will be a second wave but the the ones more susceptible to death are gone already if not finished by the second wave. Ideally from the goverment perspective they would love it clear off all the old and unemployed already created by first wave. They've got the interweb and phones and laptops to keep the country running now." It is hard to know where to start with the inaccuracies in this post, there’s a massive section of the population still uninflected and high risk to the virus. | |||
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"Wake up peoples! The earth is flat. "
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"Former UK Scientists says, UK could go back to Locked Down next month. I hope it does. Life was simpler in lockdown. And who's going to end up paying for all this in the long run" My thoughts l. Can't see them paying out for another furlough scheme, and if people are allowed to go to work, they'll go wherever they please while not at work. | |||
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"Wake up peoples! The earth is flat.
And controlled by lizard people in pizza shops."Is that so? Well, you learn something new every day | |||
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"Former UK Scientists says, UK could go back to Locked Down next month. " never going to happen, there is no way the government could finance it, and I don't believe people would abibe by it either, I know after all the demonstrations an stuff last Time it made me feel whats the piont if hundreds/thousands can meet up with no social distancing so to speak of. | |||
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" They should lockdown all the over 55 year olds and let the rest of us get on and enjoy our lives. The oldies have no quality of life left in them. They just make the young people depressed.
"It is stupid comments like that which are putting doubts into my mind about whether or not this forum has run its couse. | |||
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" They should lockdown all the over 55 year olds and let the rest of us get on and enjoy our lives. The oldies have no quality of life left in them. They just make the young people depressed.
It is stupid comments like that which are putting doubts into my mind about whether or not this forum has run its couse."My quality of life is way better than it was in my 30's. No mortgage, great career, no miserable husband, adult children and freedom. | |||
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" They young people will be even more depressed when everything they take for granted stops working because the people with all the experience and knowledge are shut away. What a hot take! Where's the clown emojii when you need it? I’m with him, seems they stopped teaching life skills and common sense in schools about 20 years or so ago, can’t get a tradesman for love nor money that’s does a decent job these days, probably why all the UK industry is being shipped out abroad more and more each year. They had to make room for the module on deconstructivist perspectives on colonial imperialism and to go through the gender thesaurus. Something had to go mate, sorry. It's a shame your imperialist model of pedagogical methods is no longer congruent with current ideas and you struggle to maintain contemporaneous models of understanding. Kids generally do better, fortunately." In most cases they also go home and cuddle parents. The head teacher at one of our local schools passed after having the virus. You only have to drive passed pubs to see distancing is mostly ignored after a couple of pints. | |||
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" They should lockdown all the over 55 year olds and let the rest of us get on and enjoy our lives. The oldies have no quality of life left in them. They just make the young people depressed.
It is stupid comments like that which are putting doubts into my mind about whether or not this forum has run its couse."I imagine it has to be a joke, especially as the person who posted it is close to the age | |||
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"Let's be honest it's only slightly more deadly and standard flue bug is there any real need any restrictions.." False. It's more infections and far more deadly than flu. It also leaves people who may have only had mild symptoms, with serious organ damage, as well as organ failure, including brain damage. We also don't know what the cumulative health impacts there could be if people had repeat infections, as we're still in early days. Death rates could be significantly higher again, from 2 or more bouts of just mild infections. This is causing lifelong disability to people. Most flu infection is relatively mild in comparison. Flu also has vaccines, including a new vaccine for all types of flu, due in a year. | |||
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" They young people will be even more depressed when everything they take for granted stops working because the people with all the experience and knowledge are shut away. What a hot take! Where's the clown emojii when you need it? I’m with him, seems they stopped teaching life skills and common sense in schools about 20 years or so ago, can’t get a tradesman for love nor money that’s does a decent job these days, probably why all the UK industry is being shipped out abroad more and more each year. They had to make room for the module on deconstructivist perspectives on colonial imperialism and to go through the gender thesaurus. Something had to go mate, sorry. It's a shame your imperialist model of pedagogical methods is no longer congruent with current ideas and you struggle to maintain contemporaneous models of understanding. Kids generally do better, fortunately. In most cases they also go home and cuddle parents. The head teacher at one of our local schools passed after having the virus. You only have to drive passed pubs to see distancing is mostly ignored after a couple of pints." Yes. Even if none get sick, which is demonstrably false (I said none, which means absolutely zero at all, those who want to say they rarely get sick)... Evidence shows they're infectious, and they have adults in their lives. They'll spread it even if they're fine. | |||
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" They should lockdown all the over 55 year olds and let the rest of us get on and enjoy our lives. The oldies have no quality of life left in them. They just make the young people depressed.
It is stupid comments like that which are putting doubts into my mind about whether or not this forum has run its couse.
I imagine it has to be a joke, especially as the person who posted it is close to the age"
Partly joke. Partly in comment to people who say lock down the old or vulnerable. Because apparently their lives mean less than everyone else's.
My point being where is the cut off...? I know healthy 70 year olds and vulnerable 30 year olds.
People think it's ok to shut others away.... until I suggest an age that affects them. | |||
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" They should lockdown all the over 55 year olds and let the rest of us get on and enjoy our lives. The oldies have no quality of life left in them. They just make the young people depressed.
It is stupid comments like that which are putting doubts into my mind about whether or not this forum has run its couse.
I imagine it has to be a joke, especially as the person who posted it is close to the age
Partly joke. Partly in comment to people who say lock down the old or vulnerable. Because apparently their lives mean less than everyone else's.
My point being where is the cut off...? I know healthy 70 year olds and vulnerable 30 year olds.
People think it's ok to shut others away.... until I suggest an age that affects them. "Indeed. Some of the factors which make people more vulnerable to problems with covid eg obesity, type 2 diabetes and certain ethnicities would cause absolute outrage if they were used as a reason to isolate people but age is ok apparently. | |||
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" They should lockdown all the over 55 year olds and let the rest of us get on and enjoy our lives. The oldies have no quality of life left in them. They just make the young people depressed.
It is stupid comments like that which are putting doubts into my mind about whether or not this forum has run its couse.
I imagine it has to be a joke, especially as the person who posted it is close to the age
Partly joke. Partly in comment to people who say lock down the old or vulnerable. Because apparently their lives mean less than everyone else's.
"It has been like that from the beginning, first it was "it is ok it will be only the over 60's who will be dying" and now "leave those over 60's at home so we youngsters can live our life" It is as if we are too old for anything other than pipe and slippers and is very selfish from the younger generation. I wonder if they say this to their parents, a thick ear they may get  | |||
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"At the risk of invoking Rugby's wrath, my parents in their 60s, I've grounded them. Repeatedly. They're vulnerable and I don't want them to die. ... They think it's funny. And Mum has grounded me in return "Tell me about it, me and Mr ruggers had to build ourselves up to stand up to our kids and tell them we were going to go out!! It was scary I tell ya, it took us a week to tell them, they were not happy ! | |||
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"At the risk of invoking Rugby's wrath, my parents in their 60s, I've grounded them. Repeatedly. They're vulnerable and I don't want them to die. ... They think it's funny. And Mum has grounded me in return
Tell me about it, me and Mr ruggers had to build ourselves up to stand up to our kids and tell them we were going to go out!! It was scary I tell ya, it took us a week to tell them, they were not happy ! "
It's a difficult intergenerational balance. Weird inversion of things. But I do it, as I'm sure your family are, in the spirit of caring for each other's health.
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"I bet they snuck out like we did before we got brave to tell them "So don't tell them!  | |||
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"Yes as schools might open then, it is to early for them to open, they have to find another way of teaching like virtual teaching. There has been no case anywhere of a pupil infecting a teacher, children are a no risk. Get the kids back normal to school hours in September. " Lots of teachers have died from COVID globally. There is no evidence that they contracted COVID from a student because there was no test and trace mechanism prior to lockdown. The lack of evidence does not mean that schools are safe to re-open. Masks are not mandatory in schools for 11+ and yet those people must wear masks in other public buildings such as museums and retail stores. Crazy. | |||
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"Masks are not mandatory in schools for 11+ and yet those people must wear masks in other public buildings such as museums and retail stores. Crazy." Adding granularity in other public places just adds the possibility of accidental or intentional misinterpretation. We've seen the mess that happens when too many 'ifs and buts' are added. Simple often works best. | |||
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"9 out of 10 pubs are not taking contact details...after all the moaning they did to reopen..lots of infections originating from pubs...time to close them down again to avoid the uptick we have growing into a second wave" You don't know what a second wave is. You can't have a second wave until the first wave has passed through | |||
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"Yes as schools might open then, it is to early for them to open, they have to find another way of teaching like virtual teaching. There has been no case anywhere of a pupil infecting a teacher, children are a no risk. Get the kids back normal to school hours in September. " ———— Great to get a heads up on the forthcoming PHE report which is actually expected to say “actually we don’t have enough data yet to say one way or another and that’s after a large test we did in June” | |||
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"That'll kill some more then as the Government's own report, that they put out last week, shows that the lockdown killed two people for every three that died of COVID-19 by the beginning of May. However, when you take into account the age of those who died from coronavirus, as well as their underlying health conditions, the loss of life as measured in Quality Adjusted Life Years, or Qalys, for those who died as a result of the lockdown was greater than it was for those who died of COVID-19. This is how the authors of the report put it: The direct COVID-19 deaths account for the majority of all excess deaths. However, when morbidity is taken into account, the estimates for the health impacts from a lockdown and lockdown induced recession are greater in terms of QALYs than the direct COVID-19 deaths. Much of the health impact, particularly in terms of morbidity, will be felt long after the pandemic is assumed to last. No one seems to be bothering about the collateral damage at all. Just wait for the excess deaths from the economic collapse and the ensuing mental health problems as well.
They should lockdown all the over 55 year olds and let the rest of us get on and enjoy our lives.
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"That'll kill some more then as the Government's own report, that they put out last week, shows that the lockdown killed two people for every three that died of COVID-19 by the beginning of May. However, when you take into account the age of those who died from coronavirus, as well as their underlying health conditions, the loss of life as measured in Quality Adjusted Life Years, or Qalys, for those who died as a result of the lockdown was greater than it was for those who died of COVID-19. This is how the authors of the report put it: The direct COVID-19 deaths account for the majority of all excess deaths. However, when morbidity is taken into account, the estimates for the health impacts from a lockdown and lockdown induced recession are greater in terms of QALYs than the direct COVID-19 deaths. Much of the health impact, particularly in terms of morbidity, will be felt long after the pandemic is assumed to last. No one seems to be bothering about the collateral damage at all. Just wait for the excess deaths from the economic collapse and the ensuing mental health problems as well.
They should lockdown all the over 55 year olds and let the rest of us get on and enjoy our lives.
The oldies have no quality of life left in them. They just make the young people depressed.
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"That'll kill some more then as the Government's own report, that they put out last week, shows that the lockdown killed two people for every three that died of COVID-19 by the beginning of May. However, when you take into account the age of those who died from coronavirus, as well as their underlying health conditions, the loss of life as measured in Quality Adjusted Life Years, or Qalys, for those who died as a result of the lockdown was greater than it was for those who died of COVID-19. This is how the authors of the report put it: The direct COVID-19 deaths account for the majority of all excess deaths. However, when morbidity is taken into account, the estimates for the health impacts from a lockdown and lockdown induced recession are greater in terms of QALYs than the direct COVID-19 deaths. Much of the health impact, particularly in terms of morbidity, will be felt long after the pandemic is assumed to last. No one seems to be bothering about the collateral damage at all. Just wait for the excess deaths from the economic collapse and the ensuing mental health problems as well.
They should lockdown all the over 55 year olds and let the rest of us get on and enjoy our lives.
The oldies have no quality of life left in them. They just make the young people depressed. "Try telling that to an 84 yr old up my street who does the gym 4 times a week, goes skiing and enjoys life more than most 30 yr olds. | |||
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"Former UK Scientists says, UK could go back to Locked Down next month. I’d like to place £10 on the words “wake up people” being used at least three times in this thread please x" Can I get £20 on it being used five times in the thread | |||
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"That'll kill some more then as the Government's own report, that they put out last week, shows that the lockdown killed two people for every three that died of COVID-19 by the beginning of May. However, when you take into account the age of those who died from coronavirus, as well as their underlying health conditions, the loss of life as measured in Quality Adjusted Life Years, or Qalys, for those who died as a result of the lockdown was greater than it was for those who died of COVID-19. This is how the authors of the report put it: The direct COVID-19 deaths account for the majority of all excess deaths. However, when morbidity is taken into account, the estimates for the health impacts from a lockdown and lockdown induced recession are greater in terms of QALYs than the direct COVID-19 deaths. Much of the health impact, particularly in terms of morbidity, will be felt long after the pandemic is assumed to last. No one seems to be bothering about the collateral damage at all. Just wait for the excess deaths from the economic collapse and the ensuing mental health problems as well.
They should lockdown all the over 55 year olds and let the rest of us get on and enjoy our lives.
The oldies have no quality of life left in them. They just make the young people depressed.
Try telling that to an 84 yr old up my street who does the gym 4 times a week, goes skiing and enjoys life more than most 30 yr olds."I'm fitter stronger, more active and have a better social life than many in their 20's . | |||
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