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By *est Wales Wife OP Couple over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

THOUSANDS of Covid deaths are set to be wiped off official records, in England, following an urgent review into counting “flaws” papers are reporting today.

Fifty million face masks bought by the government in April will not be used in the NHS because of safety concerns reports the BBC. That's millions of your money wasted just like the Nightingale hospitals which were never used.

The UK Governments own review on mask wearing, before introducing legislation, says that the evidence that they are beneficial is weak.

The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine recent paper (3rd August) on infrared thermometers concludes "All this adds up to an unreliable device, being used to measure an unreliable proxy, where there is no previous evidence to support its use. The current vogue for use of these machines lends more to marketing than medical evidence."

In Wales parents have been urged to be alert to type 1 diabetes after the number of children presenting with symptoms fell by almost a third during the pandemic (BBC Report)

Meanwhile thousands are dying because of lack of routine NHS treatments and tests (including an extra 35000 cancer deaths a year).

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By *ensualguy70TV/TS over a year ago

paisley

Be careful they will be calling you a tin foil hat wearer

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes the country has gone ferkin mad. I just don't watch any news any more - and feel 50 times better for it. They are obsessed with frightening you to death - and also convincing you that 70% of the UK's population is black or gay or has mental illness or is....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Indeed.... Just watch Professor Sturgeon on Television berating the people of Aberdeen for having the temerity to go out for a few drinks. No doubt she thinks it's the English people that live and work there in the oil industries fault LOL

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

Funnily enough, with a novel virus they are learning as they go.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

and Trace and Protect (the Scottish version) . . . is poop too . . . go figure . . .

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/two-aberdeen-pubs-linked-coronavirus-22477983

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By *iliciousCouple over a year ago

Sussex/Surrey

"THOUSANDS of Covid deaths are set to be wiped off official records, in England, following an urgent review into counting “flaws” papers are reporting today.

The UK Governments own review on mask wearing, before introducing legislation, says that the evidence that they are beneficial is weak.

In Wales parents have been urged to be alert to type 1 diabetes after the number of children presenting with symptoms fell by almost a third during the pandemic (BBC Report)

Meanwhile thousands are dying because of lack of routine NHS treatments and tests (including an extra 35000 cancer deaths a year)."

Just trying to understand your point as that's a whole load of disparate bits of information you've cited there.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"THOUSANDS of Covid deaths are set to be wiped off official records, in England, following an urgent review into counting “flaws” papers are reporting today.

The UK Governments own review on mask wearing, before introducing legislation, says that the evidence that they are beneficial is weak.

In Wales parents have been urged to be alert to type 1 diabetes after the number of children presenting with symptoms fell by almost a third during the pandemic (BBC Report)

Meanwhile thousands are dying because of lack of routine NHS treatments and tests (including an extra 35000 cancer deaths a year).

Just trying to understand your point as that's a whole load of disparate bits of information you've cited there."

Think she means it's not going swimmingly.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

it has always been this way, i used to know a guy who went to school with a certain labour prime minister, he started making flue jabs in his garage, then got the contract from the gov to provide the nhs, he now spends millions a year racing at the highest level, and im sure im not the only one who has a story like this, the worls is corrupt, like it or not

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Indeed.... Just watch Professor Sturgeon on Television berating the people of Aberdeen for having the temerity to go out for a few drinks. No doubt she thinks it's the English people that live and work there in the oil industries fault LOL

The sasernack bug

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"it has always been this way, i used to know a guy who went to school with a certain labour prime minister, he started making flue jabs in his garage, then got the contract from the gov to provide the nhs, he now spends millions a year racing at the highest level, and im sure im not the only one who has a story like this, the worls is corrupt, like it or not"

The world isnt corrupt.

Systems and people are corrupt.

And whilst we shrug our shoulders,they will continue to be

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A friend of mine just took a spin out in his friends new Lamborghini Huracan, before this crisis he was a middle level import/exporter of PPE.

Suffice it to say, some people are doing awfully well out of all of this

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A friend of mine just took a spin out in his friends new Lamborghini Huracan, before this crisis he was a middle level import/exporter of PPE.

Suffice it to say, some people are doing awfully well out of all of this

i dont have a problem with making a profit, we all have to live after all, its blatent profitering that i have a problem with, i know alot of very wealthy people, and im sure some have bent the rules along the way, but they have to sleep ath night, i couldnt, but there are many others who have been whiter than white, i think however the majority are somewhere in the middle

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

It is not possible to make flu jabs in a garage unless equipped with some very sophisticated kit

Yours Truly

Someone who has worked in the pharmaceutical industry as a microbiologist.

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By *lym4realCouple over a year ago

plymouth

If you were a cynic or taking bets ..when brexit happens without a deal...our beloved leaders can then blame the economic chaos on the ...virus

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By *iliciousCouple over a year ago

Sussex/Surrey

Think she means it's not going swimmingly. "

Certainly agree with that.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It is not possible to make flu jabs in a garage unless equipped with some very sophisticated kit

Yours Truly

Someone who has worked in the pharmaceutical industry as a microbiologist. "

ok i might have been overstaing my point, but he was a very small player, i think you got my point tho, and from memory he wasnt even making them before he got the contract

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

It is not possible to make flu jabs in a garage unless equipped with some very sophisticated kit

Yours Truly

Someone who has worked in the pharmaceutical industry as a microbiologist.

ok i might have been overstaing my point, but he was a very small player, i think you got my point tho, and from memory he wasnt even making them before he got the contract"

I honestly am not sure who you are referring to, but it doesn't help your point to "overstate" quite to that extent. I'd assume Tony Blair, as the only Labour PM from the very recent past, but.......

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And the return of Karen.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And the return of Karen."

Oh lawdy this.

They are absolutely everywhere

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By *umalotagainMan over a year ago

a town called malice

"Funnily enough, with a novel virus they are learning as they go."

Yup and people need to remember that, the media on the other hand are doing all that they can to broadcast negativity everywhere

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

https://goodlawproject.org/news/the-ppe-fiasco/

Keep an eye on this...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Boris never was and never will be a details guy, he is happy letting others make decisions and looks around allocate blame when it goes wrong. Expecting him to change now as PM when he has always been disorganised at best is a bit much.

I hate to say it but Teresa May would have made much better decisions today when needed.

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By *est Wales Wife OP Couple over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

NEC Nightingale hospital currently being dismantled and thrown in a skip (video of the workers on Twitter). It cost £36 million of OUR money to build and is costing another £7 million to dismantle. Meanwhile the propaganda machine keeps spouting rubbish about a 'second wave'. If they really believed in that they wouldn't be skipping it would they? Wake up.

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By *ilth500Man over a year ago

Merseyside

"Funnily enough, with a novel virus they are learning as they go.

Yup and people need to remember that, the media on the other hand are doing all that they can to broadcast negativity everywhere "

that maybe BUT they knew and know the difference of dying OF covid and WITH covid pretty early on i think!

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

"NEC Nightingale hospital currently being dismantled and thrown in a skip (video of the workers on Twitter). It cost £36 million of OUR money to build and is costing another £7 million to dismantle. Meanwhile the propaganda machine keeps spouting rubbish about a 'second wave'. If they really believed in that they wouldn't be skipping it would they? Wake up."

Wouldn't you prefer we had excess space for patients than nothing enough? If they hadn't got space people would bitch that they hadn't built more hospitals. They can't win.

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

Wouldn't you prefer we had excess space for patients than nothing enough? If they hadn't got space people would bitch that they hadn't built more hospitals. They can't win. "

Not enough*

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By *est Wales Wife OP Couple over a year ago

Near Carmarthen

The Times reports.

The Government has concluded that the world-beating test-and-trace app it has already spent more than £10 billion on isn’t fit for purpose, something the rest of us concluded long ago.

Ministers will launch a scaled back version of the coronavirus app this month after accepting that it was not accurate enough to be used for contact tracing.

A version that tells people about infection levels in their area and allows them to use personal information to calculate a risk score will be trialled.

The app was originally developed as an automated form of contact tracing, but is likely to begin instead as an individualised information and advice service informing people about their personal exposure to coronavirus.

The functions being explored include alerting users when they have been in contact with more people than usual.

While Bluetooth signalling showing that phones have been near each other is not yet trusted as a basis for instructing people to self-isolate for two weeks, officials hope that giving people data on how many close contacts they have could encourage them to stick to social distancing guidance.

These new functions are due to be tested in trials in coming weeks with the hope of having an app available nationwide in time for winter. NHS Test and Trace is planning to launch an app with whichever functions prove effective, in the hope of being able to add automated contact tracing later.

The service has previously announced plans to allow people to book coronavirus tests through the app and use it to scan Quick Response codes at pubs and restaurants so patrons can be alerted if other customers test positive. Although contact tracing was the original stated aim of the app, it is now being downplayed by a business plan that refers to the technology as an “app that supports the end-to-end NHS Test and Trace service”.

The revival of the app came as Times Radio uncovered evidence that some contact tracers have done minimal work since the NHS Track and Trace programme was launched three months ago. One said: “Since mid-May I’ve done two calls. I know some people who’ve had no calls in that time and some who’ve had four or five . . . Most of the time you sit around and watch Netflix.”

£10 billion of taxpayers’ money up in flames so tens of thousands of people can sit around watching Netflix all day.

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

Also, I cannot find any information that this is even true.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Funnily enough, with a novel virus they are learning as they go.

Yup and people need to remember that, the media on the other hand are doing all that they can to broadcast negativity everywhere "

It's all the medias fault.

Any more scapegoats?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

Also, I cannot find any information that this is even true. "

Actually if you look on Conference News, headline "NEC Confirms full reopening, with NHS Nightingale being decommissioned", date 19/07/2020, it does say it will more or less be removed, bar a small non-Covid standby facility which will remain.

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"THOUSANDS of Covid deaths are set to be wiped off official records, in England, following an urgent review into counting “flaws” papers are reporting today.

The UK Governments own review on mask wearing, before introducing legislation, says that the evidence that they are beneficial is weak.

In Wales parents have been urged to be alert to type 1 diabetes after the number of children presenting with symptoms fell by almost a third during the pandemic (BBC Report)

Meanwhile thousands are dying because of lack of routine NHS treatments and tests (including an extra 35000 cancer deaths a year)."
You need to get a grip of what is happening in the world,solving the problems is not like making out a shopping list or setting our alarm clock,it is all very complex.It will take a generation to sort this mess out even if we have the best government the planet has ever known.The mess is not caused by the government

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"im not going to name names on a public forum, but trust me i work in motorsport, and hes a well know playerrunning and paying for a lmp1 tyeqm is millions a year, i know, tbh most eams are payed for by dodgy means, there is a nother guy who payed for his racing by drug smuggling for instance"
The world is full of corruption allways has been allways will be it is humanity.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And the return of Karen."

Why do I keep seeing 'karen' have I missed something? Is it a FB thing

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"THOUSANDS of Covid deaths are set to be wiped off official records, in England, following an urgent review into counting “flaws” papers are reporting today.

The UK Governments own review on mask wearing, before introducing legislation, says that the evidence that they are beneficial is weak.

In Wales parents have been urged to be alert to type 1 diabetes after the number of children presenting with symptoms fell by almost a third during the pandemic (BBC Report)

Meanwhile thousands are dying because of lack of routine NHS treatments and tests (including an extra 35000 cancer deaths a year).You need to get a grip of what is happening in the world,solving the problems is not like making out a shopping list or setting our alarm clock,it is all very complex.It will take a generation to sort this mess out even if we have the best government the planet has ever known.The mess is not caused by the government"

No one said it was.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

It is not possible to make flu jabs in a garage unless equipped with some very sophisticated kit

Yours Truly

Someone who has worked in the pharmaceutical industry as a microbiologist. "

Good anecdote though... One day they may make a nursery rhyme from it.

I know an old lady who lived in a shoe...

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

Wouldn't you prefer we had excess space for patients than nothing enough? If they hadn't got space people would bitch that they hadn't built more hospitals. They can't win. "

Hospitals need to be rammed to the gunnals to keep some happy.

Have to say its probably the one thing this lot got right so far. Though if it's true it does seem very odd to be dismantling it before wave 2.

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By *evernmanMan over a year ago

Shrewsbury

"Just trying to understand your point as that's a whole load of disparate bits of information you've cited there."

It's called cherry-picking evidence - in support of a conspiracy theory that we're not in the middle of an epidemic of a deadly disease that would kill a lot of people without serious measures.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Just trying to understand your point as that's a whole load of disparate bits of information you've cited there.

It's called cherry-picking evidence - in support of a conspiracy theory that we're not in the middle of an epidemic of a deadly disease that would kill a lot of people without serious measures."

Not sure the op is saying that tbh

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have no expert knowledge on anything like this. Looking at countries that don’t have comprehensive health care systems is probably a good indicator of how serious this pandemic is. Ramping up the healthcare with the Nightingale hospitals was a wise decision. Success in the first wave could be that they were very rarely used. It could be argued however that we could’ve sent elderly patients to them as a recovery rather than to care homes.

Like all of these contributions in the forum, it is merely an opinion which some will agree with and some not.

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By *limmatureguyMan over a year ago

Tonbridge

"The Times reports.

The Government has concluded that the world-beating test-and-trace app it has already spent more than £10 billion on isn’t fit for purpose, something the rest of us concluded long ago.

Ministers will launch a scaled back version of the coronavirus app this month after accepting that it was not accurate enough to be used for contact tracing.

A version that tells people about infection levels in their area and allows them to use personal information to calculate a risk score will be trialled.

The functions being explored include alerting users when they have been in contact with more people than usual.

£10 billion of taxpayers’ money up in flames so tens of thousands of people can sit around watching Netflix all day."

No different to the furlough scheme then.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

10 Billion. Where did you get that number from. You've been watching too much Doctor Evil.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"10 Billion. Where did you get that number from. You've been watching too much Doctor Evil.

It helps add to their outrage.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

The mask failures is awful.

Research on wearing masks and any protection has been built uo during this epidemic, with varied results. The current picture seems to suggest that the wearing of them is worthwhile. Early on, there was much less evidence on which to make a decision.

The UK has certainly been subject to a fairly high level of troublesome findings, due partly to leadership decisions.

Our track and trace system is still off course, despite spending £billions via private business operations, friends of the government etc.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I hardly watch the news anymore. The way that they have gone on about it in the media must of been terrible for a lot of people's mental health.

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By *uninlondon69Man over a year ago

Tower Bridge South

£10 billion of taxpayers’ money up in flames so tens of thousands of people can sit around watching Netflix all day.

No different to the furlough scheme then."

Nobody is furloughed through choice. We have all been furloughed at our individual employers discretion to try and save our jobs. If you've been working all through this then great, I'm really pleased for you and your bank account. Some of us don't have that choice.

You might view it as a waste of money. For some people it's literally kept them alive during this. Imagine having a good 50k salary (not me!) and suddenly being put on UC with no warning. Massive lifestyle change, possibly lose your home etc. For me it's just covered my rent, and everything else has gone on savings or credit cards until work is back. Fortunately I've always kept my cards pretty clear so I had breathing space when this hit, but there are countless stories of people with no savings etc driven to suicide by this.

Just because furlough didn't benefit you doesn't make it a waste of money.

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

Some people will never be happy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A friend of mine just took a spin out in his friends new Lamborghini Huracan, before this crisis he was a middle level import/exporter of PPE.

Suffice it to say, some people are doing awfully well out of all of this

And now said PPE is whats what word. Oh yes Crap

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Funnily enough, with a novel virus they are learning as they go.

Yup and people need to remember that, the media on the other hand are doing all that they can to broadcast negativity everywhere "

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By *llabouttheladyMan over a year ago

Wakefield

It’s FUBAR

2020 is a write-off

Covid was floating around in the UK unmanaged from late-2019 onwards.

It’s a right load of bollocks that will go down in history as one of the biggest mistakes of mankind. Kids will study it at school in years to come and wonder what the hell was going on.

So kids, today were going to study Covid-19 outbreak from 50 years ago.

90% of deaths occurred in those over 70 with underlying health conditions, the majority of which were people on deaths door who lived in nursing homes and couldn’t look after themselves. The rest were overweight/obese people which means they were unhealthy and unfit. Sadly there were a few people who were healthy who also died, but not many. Most people had mild symptoms, some were even asymptomatic.

The country shut down, schools closed, pubs closed, you couldn’t get a hair cut. Thousands of people lost their jobs, many businesses went bust. The economy crashed, shops became empty, town centres became lifeless, unless you wanted a mobile phone or a bargain from a charity shop, but you could still get a Greggs sausage roll.

The government borrowed millions of pounds in an attempt to help stop the rot, but that had to be paid back by those still in employment with later retirement ages and higher taxes.

So kids what do you think???

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By *etsomeMan over a year ago

birmingham

"The mask failures is awful.

The UK has certainly been subject to a fairly high level of troublesome findings, due partly to leadership decisions.

Our track and trace system is still off course, despite spending £billions via private business operations, friends of the government etc. "

the way most people wear them will make them more likely to spread the virus

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

"It’s FUBAR

2020 is a write-off

Covid was floating around in the UK unmanaged from late-2019 onwards.

It’s a right load of bollocks that will go down in history as one of the biggest mistakes of mankind. Kids will study it at school in years to come and wonder what the hell was going on.

So kids, today were going to study Covid-19 outbreak from 50 years ago.

The government borrowed millions of pounds in an attempt to help stop the rot, but that had to be paid back by those still in employment with later retirement ages and higher taxes.

So kids what do you think???"

Wow, it's only sad if healthy people die? The old and overweight don't matter?

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By *etsomeMan over a year ago

birmingham

"so kids what do you think?"

the trouble with decimating your economy is that you can only do it once every 20-25 years. We are now in a terrible position that if a really dangerous virus comes along in the next five to ten years we won't have the resorces available to cope with it.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"It’s FUBAR

2020 is a write-off

Covid was floating around in the UK unmanaged from late-2019 onwards.

It’s a right load of bollocks that will go down in history as one of the biggest mistakes of mankind. Kids will study it at school in years to come and wonder what the hell was going on.

So kids, today were going to study Covid-19 outbreak from 50 years ago.

The government borrowed millions of pounds in an attempt to help stop the rot, but that had to be paid back by those still in employment with later retirement ages and higher taxes.

So kids what do you think???"

Looks up empathy in the dictionary

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

"Be careful they will be calling you a tin foil hat wearer "

Valuable as ever.

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By *llabouttheladyMan over a year ago

Wakefield

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By *llabouttheladyMan over a year ago

Wakefield

Wow, you pick fault really well.

Hands up, bad choice of words.

Surprisingly or unexpectedly would have been a better choice

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By *ilth500Man over a year ago

Merseyside

serious question here... IF they are so concerned about a 'second wave' and possibly more severe than the 1st apparently then why are they dismantling the NEC Nightingale?

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By *llabouttheladyMan over a year ago

Wakefield

Refer to my previous post

FUBAR

It’s a right load of bollocks

IMO we are in the midst of an attempt to change the culture and behaviour of UK citizens.

Strip it all back and look closely at what’s going on

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

In Wales parents have been urged to be alert to type 1 diabetes after the number of children presenting with symptoms fell by almost a third during the pandemic (BBC Report)."

Bit of a non story that one.

Initial diagnosis is simple, the test to confirm it takes seconds and any GP or practice nurse can do it.

They are however dependant on the parents noticing something is wrong with their kids - as are all visits to the GP.

Type 1 diabetics are either diagnosed within the first week pr two or they get really ill and get diagnosed then.

There aren't 30% T1 diabetics just wandering about because of Covid...

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

IMO we are in the midst of an attempt to change the culture and behaviour of UK citizens.

Why?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

IMO we are in the midst of an attempt to change the culture and behaviour of UK citizens.

Why?"

Find the document from the institude of governance. I don't recall the title but they set out a plan for it.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Refer to my previous post

FUBAR

It’s a right load of bollocks

IMO we are in the midst of an attempt to change the culture and behaviour of UK citizens.

Strip it all back and look closely at what’s going on"

Is it to try and stop the bulk of the populations being fucktards?

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By *ir-spunk-alotMan over a year ago

Southern England

I agree with you up until the point of the nightingale, they were built as an overflow precaution. Thank goodness they were never used, had they not been built and there was a need for an overflow hospital to be built you would be criticising the government for not building them. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

IMO we are in the midst of an attempt to change the culture and behaviour of UK citizens.

Why?

Find the document from the institude of governance. I don't recall the title but they set out a plan for it."

A simple precis will do as the 'institute of governance' appears to not exist...

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By *ilth500Man over a year ago

Merseyside

"I agree with you up until the point of the nightingale, they were built as an overflow precaution. Thank goodness they were never used, had they not been built and there was a need for an overflow hospital to be built you would be criticising the government for not building them. Hindsight is a wonderful thing."

well must be confident of the 2nd wave being a mild one because they are dismantling it at the moment

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

IMO we are in the midst of an attempt to change the culture and behaviour of UK citizens.

Why?

Find the document from the institude of governance. I don't recall the title but they set out a plan for it.

A simple precis will do as the 'institute of governance' appears to not exist..."

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

"And the return of Karen.

Why do I keep seeing 'karen' have I missed something? Is it a FB thing"

According to Ken, yes

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

IMO we are in the midst of an attempt to change the culture and behaviour of UK citizens.

Why?

Find the document from the institude of governance. I don't recall the title but they set out a plan for it.

A simple precis will do as the 'institute of governance' appears to not exist..."

My bad.

The document is called Mindspace

See in particular section 2 appendic 3

Website theinstutudeforgovernment org

The aim of MINDSPACE is to help them do this, and in doing so get better outcomes for the public and society. A companion paper, Behavioural Government , was published in 2018. This new report builds on the Behavioural Insights Team's work on applying behavioural insights to policymaking and the Institute f

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By *llabouttheladyMan over a year ago

Wakefield

Fucktards are unstoppable. They keep breeding with other fucktards, creating more fucktards.

We are doomed.

Fucktards are often spotted on an evening loitering around where they shouldn’t be. They rarely use the words please and thank you, and tend to swear several times in one sentence. They have a grey jogger bottom type ploomage, often with a dirty arse, many wear a baseball cap and more often than not, white socks.

I’ve just walked my dogs and bumped in to 3 fucktards, probably waiting for some drugs to be dropped off, or to jump somebody to get some money for some drugs - or maybe a KFC - who knows eh

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Fucktards are unstoppable. They keep breeding with other fucktards, creating more fucktards.

We are doomed.

I’ve just walked my dogs and bumped in to 3 fucktards, probably waiting for some drugs to be dropped off, or to jump somebody to get some money for some drugs - or maybe a KFC - who knows eh

I've got grey trackies.

White socks are often sported by sex pests though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Fucktards are unstoppable. They keep breeding with other fucktards, creating more fucktards.

We are doomed.

I’ve just walked my dogs and bumped in to 3 fucktards, probably waiting for some drugs to be dropped off, or to jump somebody to get some money for some drugs - or maybe a KFC - who knows eh

You've just described me

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Fucktards are unstoppable. They keep breeding with other fucktards, creating more fucktards.

We are doomed.

I’ve just walked my dogs and bumped in to 3 fucktards, probably waiting for some drugs to be dropped off, or to jump somebody to get some money for some drugs - or maybe a KFC - who knows eh

You've just described me

Well Dash, now we know

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By *moothman2000Man over a year ago

Leicestershire

IMO we are in the midst of an attempt to change the culture and behaviour of UK citizens.

Why?

Find the document from the institude of governance. I don't recall the title but they set out a plan for it.

A simple precis will do as the 'institute of governance' appears to not exist...

My bad.

The document is called Mindspace

See in particular section 2 appendic 3

Website theinstutudeforgovernment org

Nope, no such website.

I'll save you the bother though.

If it's to get better outcomes for the public and society, then I'm all for it.

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By *eedsmale36Man over a year ago

Leeds

"Fucktards are unstoppable. They keep breeding with other fucktards, creating more fucktards.

We are doomed.

I’ve just walked my dogs and bumped in to 3 fucktards, probably waiting for some drugs to be dropped off, or to jump somebody to get some money for some drugs - or maybe a KFC - who knows eh

Ah the joys of living with a WF postcode, I’m LS but very close to WF10 and I enjoy the sport of big game fucktard hunting !

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By *ust RachelTV/TS over a year ago

Horsham

Only half of it is going, half is staying till next year.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Funnily enough, with a novel virus they are learning as they go."

Funnily enough, other countries seem to have learned a lot quicker, and acted far more sensibly. This is the thing that always strikes me.

Nobody likes to admit it but it’s probably better we do, regardless of political persuasion, the key people (as in individuals) who are in charge right now are clearly bumbling idiots.

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By *ir-spunk-alotMan over a year ago

Southern England

well must be confident of the 2nd wave being a mild one because they are dismantling it at the moment "
they know more about the virus than they did at the start. Gov is more prepared. They are not fully shutting down nightingales, they are being reduced.

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

"Funnily enough, with a novel virus they are learning as they go.

Funnily enough, other countries seem to have learned a lot quicker, and acted far more sensibly. This is the thing that always strikes me.

Nobody likes to admit it but it’s probably better we do, regardless of political persuasion, the key people (as in individuals) who are in charge right now are clearly bumbling idiots."
What have they learnt a lot quicker and how have they acted more sensibly any examples.

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By *llabouttheladyMan over a year ago

Wakefield

Fucktard hunting - love it!!!

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By *llabouttheladyMan over a year ago

Wakefield

IMO we are in the midst of an attempt to change the culture and behaviour of UK citizens.

Why?

Find the document from the institude of governance. I don't recall the title but they set out a plan for it.

A simple precis will do as the 'institute of governance' appears to not exist...

My bad.

The document is called Mindspace

See in particular section 2 appendic 3

Website theinstutudeforgovernment org

Nope, no such website.

I'll save you the bother though.

If it's to get better outcomes for the public and society, then I'm all for it.

I googled this

Instituteforgovernment mindspace

It came up

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By *iliciousCouple over a year ago

Sussex/Surrey

Wouldn't you prefer we had excess space for patients than nothing enough? If they hadn't got space people would bitch that they hadn't built more hospitals. They can't win. "

But there are always some people who "know" better than the rest of us.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

IMO we are in the midst of an attempt to change the culture and behaviour of UK citizens.

Why?

Find the document from the institude of governance. I don't recall the title but they set out a plan for it.

A simple precis will do as the 'institute of governance' appears to not exist...

My bad.

The document is called Mindspace

See in particular section 2 appendic 3

Website theinstutudeforgovernment org

So the U.K. government arrange a world wide pandemic to change the culture of its citizens culture and behaviour.

The same government who gave a shipping contract to a company with no ships.

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

Wouldn't you prefer we had excess space for patients than nothing enough? If they hadn't got space people would bitch that they hadn't built more hospitals. They can't win.

But there are always some people who "know" better than the rest of us."

It boggles my mind, even the good decisions the government have made get ripped to shreds by people.

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

Wouldn't you prefer we had excess space for patients than nothing enough? If they hadn't got space people would bitch that they hadn't built more hospitals. They can't win.

But there are always some people who "know" better than the rest of us.

It boggles my mind, even the good decisions the government have made get ripped to shreds by people. "

People have absolutely no concept of finance on a country scale

36 million in UK spending terms is like the average person leaving a centimeter of beer at the bottom of their glass and walking away .. peanuts

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

Wouldn't you prefer we had excess space for patients than nothing enough? If they hadn't got space people would bitch that they hadn't built more hospitals. They can't win.

But there are always some people who "know" better than the rest of us.

It boggles my mind, even the good decisions the government have made get ripped to shreds by people.

People have absolutely no concept of finance on a country scale

36 million in UK spending terms is like the average person leaving a centimeter of beer at the bottom of their glass and walking away .. peanuts"

Even if it was a larger amount of money, it still would have been worth it for the peace of mind.

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

Wouldn't you prefer we had excess space for patients than nothing enough? If they hadn't got space people would bitch that they hadn't built more hospitals. They can't win.

But there are always some people who "know" better than the rest of us.

It boggles my mind, even the good decisions the government have made get ripped to shreds by people.

People have absolutely no concept of finance on a country scale

36 million in UK spending terms is like the average person leaving a centimeter of beer at the bottom of their glass and walking away .. peanuts

Even if it was a larger amount of money, it still would have been worth it for the peace of mind."

Yes, but far too many fabexperts live their life through hindsight

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By *ommenhimCouple over a year ago

wigan

Wouldn't you prefer we had excess space for patients than nothing enough? If they hadn't got space people would bitch that they hadn't built more hospitals. They can't win.

But there are always some people who "know" better than the rest of us.

It boggles my mind, even the good decisions the government have made get ripped to shreds by people.

People have absolutely no concept of finance on a country scale

36 million in UK spending terms is like the average person leaving a centimeter of beer at the bottom of their glass and walking away .. peanuts"

And those on their arse would respect the idea that all of the pint was paid for and not leave the centimetre in the bottom! Although if it’s someone else’s centimetre of beer it’s easy for those with a gallon to scoff as they piss it away!

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By *ommenhimCouple over a year ago

wigan

Wouldn't you prefer we had excess space for patients than nothing enough? If they hadn't got space people would bitch that they hadn't built more hospitals. They can't win.

But there are always some people who "know" better than the rest of us.

It boggles my mind, even the good decisions the government have made get ripped to shreds by people.

People have absolutely no concept of finance on a country scale

36 million in UK spending terms is like the average person leaving a centimeter of beer at the bottom of their glass and walking away .. peanuts

Even if it was a larger amount of money, it still would have been worth it for the peace of mind."

It didn’t provide peace of mind for me.... my thoughts at the time where as happened.... a waste of money! It isn’t hindsight it’s what I said at the time !

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By *ssex_tomMan over a year ago

Chelmsford

Wouldn't you prefer we had excess space for patients than nothing enough? If they hadn't got space people would bitch that they hadn't built more hospitals. They can't win.

But there are always some people who "know" better than the rest of us.

It boggles my mind, even the good decisions the government have made get ripped to shreds by people. "

There are a whole host of people who will find a problem with any solution. Most of them live in West Wales....

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By *lym4realCouple over a year ago

plymouth

It only seems a shambles to us but those who backed the winners it's yet another way for them to get their collective noses in the trough of public money/tax and that kind of "Benefit" is ok with 90% but give another "Benefit" to a single mother etc etc or even a house ?? all hell breaks out

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By *lym4realCouple over a year ago

plymouth

Or to put it another way i used to be in the building trade and one one of my closest m8 was a painter he got the sack from the council...then a year later got a job through a agency doing the same job for the council...he got £60 a day ...the agency charged the council around £120 a day for him...that's where are tax money goes and so when they say it cost £xxx ???

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

With this being a sex site I'll just say you either save your pussy / dick or your life.....

All those people still going out meeting strangers don't seem to be worried about their health or whats going on in the world ....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" Of all the tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber barons cruelty sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; But those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with approval of their own conscience."

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

Wouldn't you prefer we had excess space for patients than nothing enough? If they hadn't got space people would bitch that they hadn't built more hospitals. They can't win.

But there are always some people who "know" better than the rest of us.

It boggles my mind, even the good decisions the government have made get ripped to shreds by people.

People have absolutely no concept of finance on a country scale

36 million in UK spending terms is like the average person leaving a centimeter of beer at the bottom of their glass and walking away .. peanuts

Even if it was a larger amount of money, it still would have been worth it for the peace of mind.

It didn’t provide peace of mind for me.... my thoughts at the time where as happened.... a waste of money! It isn’t hindsight it’s what I said at the time ! "

So at the time when ICU's around the country were filling up and many more people were dying, you thought it was a waste of money to have more beds available for seriously ill people?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"" Of all the tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber barons cruelty sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; But those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with approval of their own conscience.""

If ever a single paragraph description of the early 21st century were needed, this would do as good as any.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yes i thought so...C.S Lewis

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By *ommenhimCouple over a year ago

wigan

Wouldn't you prefer we had excess space for patients than nothing enough? If they hadn't got space people would bitch that they hadn't built more hospitals. They can't win.

But there are always some people who "know" better than the rest of us.

It boggles my mind, even the good decisions the government have made get ripped to shreds by people.

People have absolutely no concept of finance on a country scale

36 million in UK spending terms is like the average person leaving a centimeter of beer at the bottom of their glass and walking away .. peanuts

Even if it was a larger amount of money, it still would have been worth it for the peace of mind.

It didn’t provide peace of mind for me.... my thoughts at the time where as happened.... a waste of money! It isn’t hindsight it’s what I said at the time !

So at the time when ICU's around the country were filling up and many more people were dying, you thought it was a waste of money to have more beds available for seriously ill people? "

When you put it like that, yes absolutely, get the beds ready....unless .... unless there were ICUs other wards in hospitals which were clearly undersubscribed.... that’s what I saw when I watched the nurses dancing, it’s what I saw when broadcasts from ICUs with rows of empty beds were on tv it’s what I heard when I spoke to nurses working in local hospitals oh and when I reviewed figures online ( it’s a long time ago I can’t remember the source but it wasn’t Karen off of facepage!) So, while I appreciate I don’t have the vision of Nostradamus, I put two and two together and managed four. For me it was clear then, I stated it to family and friends, so please don’t attempt to deny me the reasoning and foresight I showed.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You obviously have no concept regarding how the Nightingale’s worked, their issues or indeed their contract lengths.

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By *hubaysiWoman over a year ago

Leeds

It is not possible to make flu jabs in a garage unless equipped with some very sophisticated kit

Yours Truly

Someone who has worked in the pharmaceutical industry as a microbiologist.

ok i might have been overstaing my point, but he was a very small player, i think you got my point tho, and from memory he wasnt even making them before he got the contract"

Don’t think anyone got your point! ‘Making flu jabs in his garage’ lol me thinks tongue or fingers running away with themselves...actually your post has made me laugh so thanks for that

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By *extus1951Man over a year ago

Shrewsbury

I too am familiar with the C.S.Lewis quotation, and agree wholeheartedly with its sentiment.

I have no scientific background to support my view that Government reaction to this event is not only excessive, but will ultimately result in the end of our way of life, imperfect though it probably is.

Our descent into authoritarianism, not to mention the loss of our hard earned freedoms for our children and grandchildren, is too great a price to pay for a fight against a virus which will be with us for a long long time.

For those who say that it will soon be "safe" to resume our normal lives, bear in mind that there is, nor can there ever be, any such thing as 100% safety.

Get used to it, get back to normality, and for the sake of the future, get the economy moving again.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I too am familiar with the C.S.Lewis quotation, and agree wholeheartedly with its sentiment.

For those who say that it will soon be "safe" to resume our normal lives, bear in mind that there is, nor can there ever be, any such thing as 100% safety.

Get used to it, get back to normality, and for the sake of the future, get the economy moving again. "

Do you not think that having no scientific background might mean you are asking people to get back to normal when it's not safe to do so. No one is expecting 100% safety, however in the middle of an unprecedented contagious disease things should be done differently. Trying to ignore it and carry on as if nothing is happening will just lead to more deaths. How do you think the economy is going to recover when the customers are dead?

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By *extus1951Man over a year ago

Shrewsbury

"I too am familiar with the C.S.Lewis quotation, and agree wholeheartedly with its sentiment.

For those who say that it will soon be "safe" to resume our normal lives, bear in mind that there is, nor can there ever be, any such thing as 100% safety.

Get used to it, get back to normality, and for the sake of the future, get the economy moving again.

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By *extus1951Man over a year ago

Shrewsbury

"I too am familiar with the C.S.Lewis quotation, and agree wholeheartedly with its sentiment.

For those who say that it will soon be "safe" to resume our normal lives, bear in mind that there is, nor can there ever be, any such thing as 100% safety.

Get used to it, get back to normality, and for the sake of the future, get the economy moving again.

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By *extus1951Man over a year ago

Shrewsbury

Is it seriously your contention that covid will kill all, or even the majority, of future customers of the UK economy? That would amount to millions of deaths, and the mortality rate indicates no such possibility.

Our freedoms are more precious than most people realise, except when the loss of those freedoms becomes obvious. Luckily, I won't be around to have to fight to regain those freedoms, but I do not envy those who will have to...my children.your children, and all our grandchildren.