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over a year ago
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The reason for the restrictions in Manchester is because of in house transmission.
So shutting pubs will surely compound this issue nationwide, along with the subsequent business closures and job losses. |
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"Why should one have to be closed in order for the other to be open?"
Each relaxation measure increases R. R has to be kept below 1 or the pandemic starts to grow rapidly. That is why choices will have to be made. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The reason for the restrictions in Manchester is because of in house transmission.
So shutting pubs will surely compound this issue nationwide, along with the subsequent business closures and job losses."
Good point |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
NW London |
"Why should one have to be closed in order for the other to be open?
Each relaxation measure increases R. R has to be kept below 1 or the pandemic starts to grow rapidly. That is why choices will have to be made."
But if the correct measures are brought in for schools then surely the rate of transmission will not be affected significantly?
If pubs close will people not start having home gatherings? |
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By *assy211279Woman
over a year ago
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I still don't see why close the pubs where adults go to open schools where children go. 1 children have and always will be germ factories. 2 the best playground game is going to be shout corona and chase someone to touch them. 3 why are so many parents to thick to home school.
Not that give a dam about the pubs closing again but many won't reopen as they won't have staff to run them now the furlow scheme is stopping. So even more jobless people. |
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I use to work freelance in the London and other theatres and they are not opening and meny won't reopen.
We the tax payer fined paying for WW2 in 2006. So the children of school age will be the ones to pay back the natinol debt. They need education in the modern world to do well. |
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By *tu227Man
over a year ago
Brentwood |
"Why should one have to be closed in order for the other to be open?
Each relaxation measure increases R. R has to be kept below 1 or the pandemic starts to grow rapidly. That is why choices will have to be made.
But if the correct measures are brought in for schools then surely the rate of transmission will not be affected significantly?
If pubs close will people not start having home gatherings?"
No, because no matter what correct measures are taken, R will increase with each element of re opening, and to avoid chaos in the NHS R needs to be sub 1 |
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3 why are so many parents to thick to home school.
Don't know about most but I could not pass GCSE mathematics, Biology, Physics or Chemistry let alone teach it and as a tecnial engener my math's is quite good.
Respect to teacher's and what they do. |
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I guess you have A levels in all and can remember it all and the modern way when I done mathematics we had log books but they don't any more as times have changed and so have the thing's taught. |
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"3 why are so many parents to thick to home school.
Don't know about most but I could not pass GCSE mathematics, Biology, Physics or Chemistry let alone teach it and as a tecnial engener my math's is quite good.
Respect to teacher's and what they do."
Thank you! At least someone gets it.
Yours gratefully,
A teacher of A level Biology |
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its not just about the pubs or the people that work in them
what about the people that work in the brewery
the tanker drivers that deliver the beer
the taxi drivers that take and pick people up
etc etc
its frightening |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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TBF the guy who announced this was only an advisor, the gov have loads.
They wouldn't of introduced the eat out, help out scheme if this where gonna happen |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I still don't see why close the pubs where adults go to open schools where children go. 1 children have and always will be germ factories. 2 the best playground game is going to be shout corona and chase someone to touch them. 3 why are so many parents to thick to home school.
Not that give a dam about the pubs closing again but many won't reopen as they won't have staff to run them now the furlow scheme is stopping. So even more jobless people. "
Some parents are single parents who have had to work full time through lockdown and haven't had any support with childcare or the luxury of time to "home school" multiple children. Or are you "too thick" to understand other peoples circumstances??   |
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"3 why are so many parents to thick to home school.
Don't know about most but I could not pass GCSE mathematics, Biology, Physics or Chemistry let alone teach it and as a tecnial engener my math's is quite good.
Respect to teacher's and what they do.
Thank you! At least someone gets it.
Yours gratefully,
A teacher of A level Biology "
Yer I do get it as a freelance theatre electrical engineer I'm out of work and my Daughter graduated at RADA but has now been made redundant from ENO English National Opera so I understand the full impact of pubs closing.
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"why are so many parents to thick to home school.
I think I am relatively intelligent but no way could I teach every subject up to GCSE level and definitely not any single subject to GCE level. "
See that is just it ?
GCE + CSE = GCSE
THERE IS NO GCE any more
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"why are so many parents to thick to home school.
I think I am relatively intelligent but no way could I teach every subject up to GCSE level and definitely not any single subject to GCE level.
See that is just it ?
GCE + CSE = GCSE
THERE IS NO GCE any more
right ?"
GCE = A level. CSEs were something rather different and sat alongside the old O levels. |
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Teachers train and study for years to qualify to teach- it’s not fair, or realistic, to expect parents to deliver the same education that their child would receive in a formal educational setting. Absolutely nothing to do with being “thick”. |
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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago
Hull |
I can understand the theoretical announcements in the past 24 hours, but it could be, if decided, that ifvpubs were selected to close, then the death of some pubs would be inevitable.
But looking at pubs in my part of the UK, it's seems to be that COVID doesn't apply around here, let alone having ever existed.
For the past 3 nights, local pubs have been rammed as people stood shoulder to shoulder! The worst culprits have been the "Chains", like Wetherspoons.
They're not learning, yet if pubs were to be legally closed, their bosses would be the first ones to complain.
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"why are so many parents to thick to home school.
I think I am relatively intelligent but no way could I teach every subject up to GCSE level and definitely not any single subject to GCE level.
See that is just it ?
GCE + CSE = GCSE
THERE IS NO GCE any more
right ?
GCE = A level. CSEs were something rather different and sat alongside the old O levels. "
Thank you for helping me with that as I did O levels and CSE
Old school |
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"why are so many parents to thick to home school.
I think I am relatively intelligent but no way could I teach every subject up to GCSE level and definitely not any single subject to GCE level.
See that is just it ?
GCE + CSE = GCSE
THERE IS NO GCE any more
right ?
GCE = A level. CSEs were something rather different and sat alongside the old O levels.
Thank you for helping me with that as I did O levels and CSE
Old school"
No worries, there is a long list of qualifications being taught at various levels nowadays, most of which are acronyms e.g BTEC etc. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The reason for the restrictions in Manchester is because of in house transmission.
So shutting pubs will surely compound this issue nationwide, along with the subsequent business closures and job losses."
That’s actually twisting the narrative... transmission between households was Hancocks term and there’s been no reference to “purely home visits”, meeting between households in general is the issue. The track and trace efforts in Manchester have included a heck of a lot of work on the bars and a lack of social distancing. |
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Schools, isn’t that obvious? The long term consequences of keeping them shut and having an adverse affect on children’s education outcomes is likely to be absolutely massive. It will also free up loads of parents (predominantly mothers) to return to work.
In addition, walking past two pubs last night, social distancing seemed to have been forgotten, and that is in the northern plague zone. |
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Getting children to catch up up on their education is essential, pubs less som i do wonder if this is a false dichotomy, when our plan should probably be less binary and possibly engineered towards frightening people to change things, when robust leadership plans should manage this complex problem with finesse and not appear to blunder about |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"The reason for the restrictions in Manchester is because of in house transmission.
So shutting pubs will surely compound this issue nationwide, along with the subsequent business closures and job losses.
That’s actually twisting the narrative... transmission between households was Hancocks term and there’s been no reference to “purely home visits”, meeting between households in general is the issue. The track and trace efforts in Manchester have included a heck of a lot of work on the bars and a lack of social distancing."
There has been reference to it, you just choose to ignore it. |
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By *r NeilMan
over a year ago
Lancs Mancs |
"The reason for the restrictions in Manchester is because of in house transmission.
So shutting pubs will surely compound this issue nationwide, along with the subsequent business closures and job losses.
That’s actually twisting the narrative... transmission between households was Hancocks term and there’s been no reference to “purely home visits”, meeting between households in general is the issue. The track and trace efforts in Manchester have included a heck of a lot of work on the bars and a lack of social distancing.
There has been reference to it, you just choose to ignore it. "
5 months on all still asleep lol rewind 2018 |
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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago
manchester |
This is serious open your eyes
.. Stop being selfish...
. 65 k additional deaths to
Wear a mask no excuses
Social Distance
And make sure your children are following rules
. Stop selfish England |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There has been reference to it, you just choose to ignore it. "
Nope just disagree with your view. I live and work in the centre of Manchester, we get our trusts briefings daily including feedback from track and trace to prepare for what we may be dealing with. I’m aware of our local press, politicians and mayors messaging.
If we where talking about Dudley I may be more inclined to view it as someone not just positioning a line from Hancock to support their personal view. The reference you made earlier was taken from him clarifying in interview that households could no longer mix in bars and restaurants which was absent from the original press release. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Please answer
Children catch it in school pass on to parents or grand d parents and kill them is this right
Don't avid question "
Of course it’s that.
The fear is the numbers though, infected child in a school creates several infected children then they go home to multiple infected households.
It’s the same principle as the pro Swingfest masses fail to see... 100’s of people sharing an enclosed space for prolonged time is a really high risk infection model. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why can Scotland can get it right
But not England "
Because they introduced lockdown at the right time, by fortune they where weeks behind London and the rest of England which was always past the point of no return when we shut down. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
NW London |
""Why can Scotland can get it right
But not England "
Because they introduced lockdown at the right time, by fortune they where weeks behind London and the rest of England which was always past the point of no return when we shut down."
Or because they are different countries. England is more densely populated and much more diverse. The rate of infection is bound to have different. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
NW London |
"Why should one have to be closed in order for the other to be open?
Each relaxation measure increases R. R has to be kept below 1 or the pandemic starts to grow rapidly. That is why choices will have to be made.
But if the correct measures are brought in for schools then surely the rate of transmission will not be affected significantly?
If pubs close will people not start having home gatherings?
No, because no matter what correct measures are taken, R will increase with each element of re opening, and to avoid chaos in the NHS R needs to be sub 1 "
I'm a bit sceptical about that, even without control measures the NHS never hit capacity (taking into account the Nightingale hospitals).
It seems a bit of an extreme measure to be sacrificing jobs and taking such a step backwards in terms of getting the country going again. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm a bit sceptical about that, even without control measures the NHS never hit capacity (taking into account the Nightingale hospitals).
It seems a bit of an extreme measure to be sacrificing jobs and taking such a step backwards in terms of getting the country going again."
The Nightingale’s failed to staff to a level where they had any capability to ventilate, London had the staff to open 1/2 a ward (15 of 700 ventilated beds). Birmingham, Harrogate, Glasgow never took a patient... the NW did treat decent numbers but as a step down unit, we never had anything beyond additional oxygen.
The concept of 7,000 additional beds across the country was in reality never there. At our peak of infection we where pretty close to capacity in a lot of the major cities. |
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"Please answer
Children catch it in school pass on to parents or grand d parents and kill them is this right
Don't avid question "
So isolate kids from the grandparents rather than isolate kids from kids! Also the current evidence is that few children actually contract this virus and even fewer transmit it to others. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"TBF the guy who announced this was only an advisor, the gov have loads.
They wouldn't of introduced the eat out, help out scheme if this where gonna happen"
Spot on, the media picked up on it because they need the next sensational headline then karen on facebook reads it the next thing you know half the population believe its true.  |
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"Health or wealth
Im sure you yoy selfish people will choose wealth
We have no health without sufficient wealth! "
Yes but in turn you need a happy healthy work force to create the wealth? It is almost like the chicken and egg what comes first. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
those with kids are going to say send them back to school.. sod the pubs...
those without kids are going to say... keep the pubs, sod the schools!!!
we all know peoples self interest!!!! |
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"The answer is simple - let the kids go to the pubs and send the adults back to school.
 vest answer yet "
Yer was thinking make the pubs a school by day and pub by night.
In Hastings we have a book shop in the day and a restaurant at knight its ok till you get a table in politics |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"Schools 55 comments / posts.
Pubs 173 comments/ posts.
Not judging but fasenated at the comparison wander if a pole would have the same out come ....  "
All crap pubs will not be closed as people have to work of possible.If kids miss a year of school no big deal they all just are a year older when they take there exams etc.
They will be fine kids are tough.
Kids will go back to school and teachers who do not want to teach should be fired |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I still don't see why close the pubs where adults go to open schools where children go. 1 children have and always will be germ factories. 2 the best playground game is going to be shout corona and chase someone to touch them. 3 why are so many parents to thick to home school.
Not that give a dam about the pubs closing again but many won't reopen as they won't have staff to run them now the furlow scheme is stopping. So even more jobless people.
Some parents are single parents who have had to work full time through lockdown and haven't had any support with childcare or the luxury of time to "home school" multiple children. Or are you "too thick" to understand other peoples circumstances?? "
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"There has been reference to it, you just choose to ignore it.
Nope just disagree with your view. I live and work in the centre of Manchester, we get our trusts briefings daily including feedback from track and trace to prepare for what we may be dealing with. I’m aware of our local press, politicians and mayors messaging.
If we where talking about Dudley I may be more inclined to view it as someone not just positioning a line from Hancock to support their personal view. The reference you made earlier was taken from him clarifying in interview that households could no longer mix in bars and restaurants which was absent from the original press release."
Numerous times in the past week scientists, 'experts' etc have mentioned that the spikes are coming from mixing households for the most part, not pubs. |
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By *eah BabyCouple
over a year ago
Cheshire, Windermere ,Cumbria |
"The answer is simple - let the kids go to the pubs and send the adults back to school.
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Saves the kids pouring their parents gin and vodka into hip flasks and going to meet their hoards of friends |
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"I still don't see why close the pubs where adults go to open schools where children go. 1 children have and always will be germ factories. 2 the best playground game is going to be shout corona and chase someone to touch them. 3 why are so many parents to thick to home school.
Not that give a dam about the pubs closing again but many won't reopen as they won't have staff to run them now the furlow scheme is stopping. So even more jobless people. "
Could it be due to several outbreaks that have occurred, that have been linked to pubs. |
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"its not just about the pubs or the people that work in them
what about the people that work in the brewery
the tanker drivers that deliver the beer
the taxi drivers that take and pick people up
etc etc
its frightening"
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"both open. hospitalisations falling rapidly. deaths falling rapidly. this has now become very political. "
Health is always a political hot potato! Cases are now increasing, there is a lag between the curves for cases being detected vs hospitalisation and death curves. The rise in new cases has been higher in the less vulnerable groups. Unless the virus as magically weakened,it’s just a matter of time  |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"both open. hospitalisations falling rapidly. deaths falling rapidly. this has now become very political.
Health is always a political hot potato! Cases are now increasing, there is a lag between the curves for cases being detected vs hospitalisation and death curves. The rise in new cases has been higher in the less vulnerable groups. Unless the virus as magically weakened,it’s just a matter of time "
Often viruses either weaken or we build up partial immunity to them. It's not out of the realm of possibility that it could just start to disappear. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"both open. hospitalisations falling rapidly. deaths falling rapidly. this has now become very political.
Health is always a political hot potato! Cases are now increasing, there is a lag between the curves for cases being detected vs hospitalisation and death curves. The rise in new cases has been higher in the less vulnerable groups. Unless the virus as magically weakened,it’s just a matter of time "
Correct, and admissions certainly in Manchester are going up slowly for the first time in weeks.
And... there’s zero weakening of the virus, it’s absolutely as horrible as it was on day 1. Treatment options, knowledge etc have improved but that’s it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"both open. hospitalisations falling rapidly. deaths falling rapidly. this has now become very political.
Health is always a political hot potato! Cases are now increasing, there is a lag between the curves for cases being detected vs hospitalisation and death curves. The rise in new cases has been higher in the less vulnerable groups. Unless the virus as magically weakened,it’s just a matter of time
Often viruses either weaken or we build up partial immunity to them. It's not out of the realm of possibility that it could just start to disappear. "
Correct - but, they can also go the other way too, our working therapies could become ineffective, our vaccines out of date, it’s mortality rate could increase. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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A lot of pubs have gone above and beyond to operate as safely as possible, however you can never eliminate risk completely and that's true varieties of factors and not just Covid 19.
Some pubs have been completely wreckless and haven't been taking this seriously at all. I know of at least 1 that repeatedly broke lockdown.
People have been meeting up in other people's houses and that has been the problem. I very much miss my friends, but it's a sacrifice I'll continue to take if it can save lives.
Kids are unlikely to get seriously ill with the virus, however it is still a possibility, the main risk is they spread it to vulnerable relatives in their households.
There's a long way to go before this is over. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A lot of pubs have gone above and beyond to operate as safely as possible, however you can never eliminate risk completely and that's true varieties of factors and not just Covid 19.
Some pubs have been completely wreckless and haven't been taking this seriously at all. I know of at least 1 that repeatedly broke lockdown.
People have been meeting up in other people's houses and that has been the problem. I very much miss my friends, but it's a sacrifice I'll continue to take if it can save lives.
Kids are unlikely to get seriously ill with the virus, however it is still a possibility, the main risk is they spread it to vulnerable relatives in their households.
There's a long way to go before this is over. "
Totally this
It all comes down to individuals whether business owners or customers... in theory well managed pubs and well managed schools can co-exist and keep infection rates just under the line but the more individuals that take the piss, believe they have the right to take more... we all suffer. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"A lot of pubs have gone above and beyond to operate as safely as possible, however you can never eliminate risk completely and that's true varieties of factors and not just Covid 19.
Some pubs have been completely wreckless and haven't been taking this seriously at all. I know of at least 1 that repeatedly broke lockdown.
People have been meeting up in other people's houses and that has been the problem. I very much miss my friends, but it's a sacrifice I'll continue to take if it can save lives.
Kids are unlikely to get seriously ill with the virus, however it is still a possibility, the main risk is they spread it to vulnerable relatives in their households.
There's a long way to go before this is over.
Totally this
It all comes down to individuals whether business owners or customers... in theory well managed pubs and well managed schools can co-exist and keep infection rates just under the line but the more individuals that take the piss, believe they have the right to take more... we all suffer."
Charli you're the sexy voice of calm and reason. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Schools 55 comments / posts.
Pubs 173 comments/ posts.
Not judging but fasenated at the comparison wander if a pole would have the same out come .... "
Don't fall for the hype.
It's all about keeping people unnerved. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I have been to a few pubs that have no social distancing and they dont seem to care. 1 pub I go to they ask you to put your name and number on a piece of paper and put it in a jar.
And some of the names where comical with various of joke numbers.
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I don’t think this should even be discussed in government. If it’s safe to send kids back to school then send them. Which they have done.. if it’s safe to keep pubs open then do so .. they have done that . If the infection rises as a result of either being open then close the school or pubs responsible. A robust check must be undertaken in both areas. |
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