FabSwingers.com > Forums > Virus > Seal UK borders ?
Seal UK borders ?
Jump to: Newest in thread
"It's very easy, in fact on many travel forums people say they have done it, to travel back from Spain by car or indirect flight and not be quarantined.
Shouldn't it be all or nothing ?"
Well if you were to start with a blank sheet of paper and think how best to keep an infectious contagion out of the country... And you were blessed with being a relatively small island... You might very well think... Stopping all in / out for a period of time would be sensible. And in fact of all countries... Ours should have been the easiest to seal...
If you had a blank sheet of paper...
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
 |
By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
A bit drastic i think shutting all boarders.I think its a matter of numbers yes you may get some irresponsible people trying to beat the system but is it worth shutting all boarders because of a minority of idiots? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"I should think it's pretty easy to travel back by a direct route and just ignore quarantine. How are they going to police it? "
Since March 23 in UK only one person has been fined for breaking quarantine rules. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Living, as we do on the coast. The number of abandoned refugee boats shows how difficult shutting our country's border is"
Lol,I think there's rather less arriving in dinghys than by airplane, but whatever  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Living, as we do on the coast. The number of abandoned refugee boats shows how difficult shutting our country's border is
Lol,I think there's rather less arriving in dinghys than by airplane, but whatever "
If course there are less arriving in dinghys. That wasn't really my point though |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ootykMan
over a year ago
lurgan |
How can you shut the borders if there is no borders on the Island of Ireland? Yes there is customs in Airports that's it. The only borders are our beaches ,I don't think a fence around the country will stop a so called virus. The old mosquito and chicken wire story we know how that goes  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Living, as we do on the coast. The number of abandoned refugee boats shows how difficult shutting our country's border is
Lol,I think there's rather less arriving in dinghys than by airplane, but whatever
If course there are less arriving in dinghys. That wasn't really my point though "
I got your point, but it's all about the numbers.
Not everyone obeyed lockdown, enough did
Not everyone wears face coverings, enough might
We can't stop a relatively tiny number of illegal immigrants but we can easily stop millions of "legal" travellers by ferry or plane for a few weeks rather than leave millions of people in complete uncertainty.
I'm not suggesting we should, rather asking the audience.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"How can you shut the borders if there is no borders on the Island of Ireland? Yes there is customs in Airports that's it. The only borders are our beaches ,I don't think a fence around the country will stop a so called virus. The old mosquito and chicken wire story we know how that goes "
Ireland has quarantine for travellers
A fence won't stop the virus, neither will anything short of a miracle but neither will an embargo on one particular country. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ilth500Man
over a year ago
Merseyside |
"Living, as we do on the coast. The number of abandoned refugee boats shows how difficult shutting our country's border is
Lol,I think there's rather less arriving in dinghys than by airplane, but whatever
If course there are less arriving in dinghys. That wasn't really my point though
I got your point, but it's all about the numbers.
Not everyone obeyed lockdown, enough did
Not everyone wears face coverings, enough might
We can't stop a relatively tiny number of illegal immigrants but we can easily stop millions of "legal" travellers by ferry or plane for a few weeks rather than leave millions of people in complete uncertainty.
I'm not suggesting we should, rather asking the audience.
"
just how easy do you stop these millions of 'legal' travellers? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"I should think it's pretty easy to travel back by a direct route and just ignore quarantine. How are they going to police it? "
On your own recognisance... With the threat of a random check and a slapped wrist or the threat of a fine... Ooooh. Surely they'd be better testing on landing and heldover for 8 hours till you get the results and if all clear no quarantine required.... (assuming accurate testing) |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"A bit drastic i think shutting all boarders.I think its a matter of numbers yes you may get some irresponsible people trying to beat the system but is it worth shutting all boarders because of a minority of idiots? "
At the moment no... It still feels like we have things the wrong way round... We should be locking down the ill people and vulnerable people and encouraging every else to get back to a version of normal. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Living, as we do on the coast. The number of abandoned refugee boats shows how difficult shutting our country's border is
Lol,I think there's rather less arriving in dinghys than by airplane, but whatever
If course there are less arriving in dinghys. That wasn't really my point though
I got your point, but it's all about the numbers.
Not everyone obeyed lockdown, enough did
Not everyone wears face coverings, enough might
We can't stop a relatively tiny number of illegal immigrants but we can easily stop millions of "legal" travellers by ferry or plane for a few weeks rather than leave millions of people in complete uncertainty.
I'm not suggesting we should, rather asking the audience.
just how easy do you stop these millions of 'legal' travellers? "
The clue is in the title
Anyway I'll leave you lot to debate it
Chow babies  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"I should think it's pretty easy to travel back by a direct route and just ignore quarantine. How are they going to police it?
Since March 23 in UK only one person has been fined for breaking quarantine rules. "
Wow, everyone must be following the rules really strictly then?!
That will be a pub quiz question one day. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ilth500Man
over a year ago
Merseyside |
"Living, as we do on the coast. The number of abandoned refugee boats shows how difficult shutting our country's border is
Lol,I think there's rather less arriving in dinghys than by airplane, but whatever
If course there are less arriving in dinghys. That wasn't really my point though
I got your point, but it's all about the numbers.
Not everyone obeyed lockdown, enough did
Not everyone wears face coverings, enough might
We can't stop a relatively tiny number of illegal immigrants but we can easily stop millions of "legal" travellers by ferry or plane for a few weeks rather than leave millions of people in complete uncertainty.
I'm not suggesting we should, rather asking the audience.
just how easy do you stop these millions of 'legal' travellers?
The clue is in the title
Anyway I'll leave you lot to debate it
Chow babies "
yer its that easy to separate travellers from workers isnt it. enjoy your day  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Living, as we do on the coast. The number of abandoned refugee boats shows how difficult shutting our country's border is
Lol,I think there's rather less arriving in dinghys than by airplane, but whatever
If course there are less arriving in dinghys. That wasn't really my point though
I got your point, but it's all about the numbers.
Not everyone obeyed lockdown, enough did
Not everyone wears face coverings, enough might
We can't stop a relatively tiny number of illegal immigrants but we can easily stop millions of "legal" travellers by ferry or plane for a few weeks rather than leave millions of people in complete uncertainty.
I'm not suggesting we should, rather asking the audience.
"
Maybe I'm naive but surely common sense suggests we stay on home turf this year. Oddly enough this resolves uncertainty re travel.
I've been repatriated to a UK hospital due to a severe infection. It was great, bypassing all the checks and waiting around. The free flowing drinks and extremely tasty meal on this business flight was welcome. However, it is not something I'd want to happen again. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I should think it's pretty easy to travel back by a direct route and just ignore quarantine. How are they going to police it?
Since March 23 in UK only one person has been fined for breaking quarantine rules. "
So where would you like to live. A country where we all get along reasonably well, police by consent or one where you can be arrested for sedition and treason if you say anything against the state, where you can be water cannoned if you demonstrate against government rules. Ok it's not perfect here but I have relatives in so called democratic countries where they are really worried about the slippery slope their country is going down. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
If we get to the levels of New Zealand, we could consider having very tight borders. We're sadly still quite a long way away from this point though. The Spain fiasco is likely just another facet of the authorities trying to instil the impression that everything is being done well and we are in control, as we always have been, of this situation  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"You start a thread and when someone just puts a few points to you to discuss rationally you split . Dead on  "
Awww I did t realise you couldn't chat on your own, I'll stay for a while if your lonely then |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"If you seal the borders like your thread title says why would you even need quarantine . I thought sealed meant no-one in no-one out?  "
Are you referring to Ireland ?
Maybe check with their government ?
I did say UK bit of course I should have probably said GB
A thoudand apologies |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"I should think it's pretty easy to travel back by a direct route and just ignore quarantine. How are they going to police it?
Since March 23 in UK only one person has been fined for breaking quarantine rules.
So where would you like to live. A country where we all get along reasonably well, police by consent or one where you can be arrested for sedition and treason if you say anything against the state, where you can be water cannoned if you demonstrate against government rules. Ok it's not perfect here but I have relatives in so called democratic countries where they are really worried about the slippery slope their country is going down."
Somewhere between "stay at home pretty please" and a police state? One where quarantine is meaningful? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ilth500Man
over a year ago
Merseyside |
"I should think it's pretty easy to travel back by a direct route and just ignore quarantine. How are they going to police it?
Since March 23 in UK only one person has been fined for breaking quarantine rules.
So where would you like to live. A country where we all get along reasonably well, police by consent or one where you can be arrested for sedition and treason if you say anything against the state, where you can be water cannoned if you demonstrate against government rules. Ok it's not perfect here but I have relatives in so called democratic countries where they are really worried about the slippery slope their country is going down.
Somewhere between "stay at home pretty please" and a police state? One where quarantine is meaningful?"
the lockdown was followed successfully by the vast and overwhelming majority of people. the hospitalisations and death rates falling week on week. its mot the the doom and gloom you project. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
Lockdown was largely successful, numbers are falling, and the government are still fucking up enormously which we may pay the price for.
Sunshine, lollipops and rainbows, tens of thousands of deaths, hooray  |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ilth500Man
over a year ago
Merseyside |
"Lockdown was largely successful, numbers are falling, and the government are still fucking up enormously which we may pay the price for.
Sunshine, lollipops and rainbows, tens of thousands of deaths, hooray "
see you can be positive |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Lockdown was largely successful, numbers are falling, and the government are still fucking up enormously which we may pay the price for.
Sunshine, lollipops and rainbows, tens of thousands of deaths, hooray
see you can be positive "
Of course I can. Do you know what would be really positive? Preventing new outbreaks. Saving more lives and preventing further suffering. Being able to safely reopen the economy.
Being doom and gloom and acting appropriately means there'll be more to be positive about later. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *otsossieMan
over a year ago
local, but not too local |
Surely the reason to seal the UK borders would be to prevent the virus from getting out and infecting the rest of Europe?
Our death rate is huge compared to Spain.
The only reason they’re allowing us in is because of their tourism economy. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ilth500Man
over a year ago
Merseyside |
"Lockdown was largely successful, numbers are falling, and the government are still fucking up enormously which we may pay the price for.
Sunshine, lollipops and rainbows, tens of thousands of deaths, hooray
see you can be positive
Of course I can. Do you know what would be really positive? Preventing new outbreaks. Saving more lives and preventing further suffering. Being able to safely reopen the economy.
Being doom and gloom and acting appropriately means there'll be more to be positive about later."
thats EXACTLY whats happening? youv just agreed with me that hospitalisations and death rates falling?? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL |
"A bit drastic i think shutting all boarders.I think its a matter of numbers yes you may get some irresponsible people trying to beat the system but is it worth shutting all boarders because of a minority of idiots? "
Yes is the simple answer. Should have been done 4 mths ago. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Lockdown was largely successful, numbers are falling, and the government are still fucking up enormously which we may pay the price for.
Sunshine, lollipops and rainbows, tens of thousands of deaths, hooray
see you can be positive
Of course I can. Do you know what would be really positive? Preventing new outbreaks. Saving more lives and preventing further suffering. Being able to safely reopen the economy.
Being doom and gloom and acting appropriately means there'll be more to be positive about later.
thats EXACTLY whats happening? youv just agreed with me that hospitalisations and death rates falling?? "
I agree rates have been falling. They're level or maybe creeping up.
And no. That's not what's happening. We're opening up and risks are rising. Being more cautious means risks will be reduced. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ilth500Man
over a year ago
Merseyside |
"Lockdown was largely successful, numbers are falling, and the government are still fucking up enormously which we may pay the price for.
Sunshine, lollipops and rainbows, tens of thousands of deaths, hooray
see you can be positive
Of course I can. Do you know what would be really positive? Preventing new outbreaks. Saving more lives and preventing further suffering. Being able to safely reopen the economy.
Being doom and gloom and acting appropriately means there'll be more to be positive about later.
thats EXACTLY whats happening? youv just agreed with me that hospitalisations and death rates falling??
I agree rates have been falling. They're level or maybe creeping up.
And no. That's not what's happening. We're opening up and risks are rising. Being more cautious means risks will be reduced."
well i seriously beg too differ but thats whats great about opinions, we are all allowed them... time will tell if the current rate of things and the way the public are currently behaving is successful or not. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"A bit drastic i think shutting all boarders.I think its a matter of numbers yes you may get some irresponsible people trying to beat the system but is it worth shutting all boarders because of a minority of idiots?
Yes is the simple answer. Should have been done 4 mths ago. "
How would we have got the food and other things needed if all the boarders had been closed? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ilth500Man
over a year ago
Merseyside |
"A bit drastic i think shutting all boarders.I think its a matter of numbers yes you may get some irresponsible people trying to beat the system but is it worth shutting all boarders because of a minority of idiots?
Yes is the simple answer. Should have been done 4 mths ago. How would we have got the food and other things needed if all the boarders had been closed?"
stop asking sensible questions |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"A bit drastic i think shutting all boarders.I think its a matter of numbers yes you may get some irresponsible people trying to beat the system but is it worth shutting all boarders because of a minority of idiots?
Yes is the simple answer. Should have been done 4 mths ago. How would we have got the food and other things needed if all the boarders had been closed?"
Easy. "No non essential travel or business. Only entrants citizens or essential trade" |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"A bit drastic i think shutting all boarders.I think its a matter of numbers yes you may get some irresponsible people trying to beat the system but is it worth shutting all boarders because of a minority of idiots?
Yes is the simple answer. Should have been done 4 mths ago. How would we have got the food and other things needed if all the boarders had been closed?
Easy. "No non essential travel or business. Only entrants citizens or essential trade""
Wasn't that the governments advice on spain anyway? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"A bit drastic i think shutting all boarders.I think its a matter of numbers yes you may get some irresponsible people trying to beat the system but is it worth shutting all boarders because of a minority of idiots?
Yes is the simple answer. Should have been done 4 mths ago. How would we have got the food and other things needed if all the boarders had been closed?
Easy. "No non essential travel or business. Only entrants citizens or essential trade"Wasn't that the governments advice on spain anyway?"
Sure. Mandate it. You may not leave the UK unless you have compelling reason. You may not come to the UK unless you are a citizen or have compelling reason. Traders must stay away from others (and if they cause an outbreak it'll be easier to trace because there's a lot less of them). If you return to the UK you're put up in a hotel at your expense for two weeks, food and medicine provided, and must be tested negative for Covid before you can leave. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *D835Man
over a year ago
London |
"Lockdown was largely successful, numbers are falling, and the government are still fucking up enormously which we may pay the price for.
Sunshine, lollipops and rainbows, tens of thousands of deaths, hooray
see you can be positive
Of course I can. Do you know what would be really positive? Preventing new outbreaks. Saving more lives and preventing further suffering. Being able to safely reopen the economy.
Being doom and gloom and acting appropriately means there'll be more to be positive about later.
thats EXACTLY whats happening? youv just agreed with me that hospitalisations and death rates falling??
I agree rates have been falling. They're level or maybe creeping up.
And no. That's not what's happening. We're opening up and risks are rising. Being more cautious means risks will be reduced.
well i seriously beg too differ but thats whats great about opinions, we are all allowed them... time will tell if the current rate of things and the way the public are currently behaving is successful or not. "
"... time will tell if the current rate of things...."
____________________
Only time will tell.
Having death / hospitalisation rates falling is good news; the bad news is they can rise again. We've already seen that rise in rates happening in almost every continent around the globe.
Getting the rates down is one thing, keeping them down is another.
Even though measures like quarantine , wearing masks etc have come a bit late, I still believe all theses measures will contribute to keeping the numbers down.
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"A bit drastic i think shutting all boarders.I think its a matter of numbers yes you may get some irresponsible people trying to beat the system but is it worth shutting all boarders because of a minority of idiots?
Yes is the simple answer. Should have been done 4 mths ago. How would we have got the food and other things needed if all the boarders had been closed?"
The Isle of Man seems to be doing ok and I guess they aren't self sufficient. Scale it up ? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"Lockdown was largely successful, numbers are falling, and the government are still fucking up enormously which we may pay the price for.
Sunshine, lollipops and rainbows, tens of thousands of deaths, hooray
see you can be positive
Of course I can. Do you know what would be really positive? Preventing new outbreaks. Saving more lives and preventing further suffering. Being able to safely reopen the economy.
Being doom and gloom and acting appropriately means there'll be more to be positive about later.
thats EXACTLY whats happening? youv just agreed with me that hospitalisations and death rates falling??
I agree rates have been falling. They're level or maybe creeping up.
And no. That's not what's happening. We're opening up and risks are rising. Being more cautious means risks will be reduced.
well i seriously beg too differ but thats whats great about opinions, we are all allowed them... time will tell if the current rate of things and the way the public are currently behaving is successful or not.
"... time will tell if the current rate of things...."
____________________
Only time will tell.
Having death / hospitalisation rates falling is good news; the bad news is they can rise again. We've already seen that rise in rates happening in almost every continent around the globe.
Getting the rates down is one thing, keeping them down is another.
Even though measures like quarantine , wearing masks etc have come a bit late, I still believe all theses measures will contribute to keeping the numbers down.
"
Quite. It's good, but we can't be complacent. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *D835Man
over a year ago
London |
"Lockdown was largely successful, numbers are falling, and the government are still fucking up enormously which we may pay the price for.
Sunshine, lollipops and rainbows, tens of thousands of deaths, hooray
see you can be positive
Of course I can. Do you know what would be really positive? Preventing new outbreaks. Saving more lives and preventing further suffering. Being able to safely reopen the economy.
Being doom and gloom and acting appropriately means there'll be more to be positive about later.
thats EXACTLY whats happening? youv just agreed with me that hospitalisations and death rates falling??
I agree rates have been falling. They're level or maybe creeping up.
And no. That's not what's happening. We're opening up and risks are rising. Being more cautious means risks will be reduced.
well i seriously beg too differ but thats whats great about opinions, we are all allowed them... time will tell if the current rate of things and the way the public are currently behaving is successful or not.
"... time will tell if the current rate of things...."
____________________
Only time will tell.
Having death / hospitalisation rates falling is good news; the bad news is they can rise again. We've already seen that rise in rates happening in almost every continent around the globe.
Getting the rates down is one thing, keeping them down is another.
Even though measures like quarantine , wearing masks etc have come a bit late, I still believe all theses measures will contribute to keeping the numbers down.
Quite. It's good, but we can't be complacent."
That's true, we need to exercise caution, and not allow complacency to creep in. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
I think we should close borders for recreational purposes, business is different. If someone has to leave and then come back there should be an enforced quarantine. As it is, many people won't quarantine when they come back into the country, maybe if they were forced to quarantine in a building dedicated just for that purpose, at their own cost, it would put people off going abroad. There's nothing wrong with having a staycation. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *andAukCouple
over a year ago
leeds |
The virus can take up to 14 days to show on any test, so why not just quarantine at the border and not let people travel home from the ports possibly infecting others in the process. Once clear they can then go home. If someone decides to travel they then know what to expect on arrival home. The cost of this should be factored into the holiday price. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"The virus can take up to 14 days to show on any test, so why not just quarantine at the border and not let people travel home from the ports possibly infecting others in the process. Once clear they can then go home. If someone decides to travel they then know what to expect on arrival home. The cost of this should be factored into the holiday price. "
Exactly, I totally agree. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"The virus can take up to 14 days to show on any test, so why not just quarantine at the border and not let people travel home from the ports possibly infecting others in the process. Once clear they can then go home. If someone decides to travel they then know what to expect on arrival home. The cost of this should be factored into the holiday price.
Exactly, I totally agree. "
Me too. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"It's very easy, in fact on many travel forums people say they have done it, to travel back from Spain by car or indirect flight and not be quarantined.
Shouldn't it be all or nothing ?
Well if you were to start with a blank sheet of paper and think how best to keep an infectious contagion out of the country... And you were blessed with being a relatively small island... You might very well think... Stopping all in / out for a period of time would be sensible. And in fact of all countries... Ours should have been the easiest to seal...
If you had a blank sheet of paper...
"
the virus is well established in this country so the phrase shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted comes to mind. CV19 is well established in the global population, closing of boarders would need to be indefinite or at least until after the population has been vaccinated, at least a year away. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
If we were at more risk abroad then, there could be an argument for prolonged restrictions. Let's not forget there are still restrictions and that you're still more likely to get this virus in England than abroad.
I do feel for all those caught up in Spain's change of status. Holidays are important though to our mental wellbeing and the economy so I am in favour of allowing people to travel in line with the gov guidelines. To be warm and feel the sun |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"The virus can take up to 14 days to show on any test, so why not just quarantine at the border and not let people travel home from the ports possibly infecting others in the process. Once clear they can then go home. If someone decides to travel they then know what to expect on arrival home. The cost of this should be factored into the holiday price.
Exactly, I totally agree.
Me too."
Why not... because it’s completely impractical due to the sheer volume of people that pass through larger airports
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"If we were at more risk abroad then, there could be an argument for prolonged restrictions. Let's not forget there are still restrictions and that you're still more likely to get this virus in England than abroad.
I do feel for all those caught up in Spain's change of status. Holidays are important though to our mental wellbeing and the economy so I am in favour of allowing people to travel in line with the gov guidelines. To be warm and feel the sun "
Stay in UK and support our national economy rather than Spain’s |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"If we were at more risk abroad then, there could be an argument for prolonged restrictions. Let's not forget there are still restrictions and that you're still more likely to get this virus in England than abroad.
I do feel for all those caught up in Spain's change of status. Holidays are important though to our mental wellbeing and the economy so I am in favour of allowing people to travel in line with the gov guidelines. To be warm and feel the sun
Stay in UK and support our national economy rather than Spain’s "
Me personally... Sorry spain isn't on my radar but I'll support the companies that will take me to the airport, the airport lounge and the travel companies I'm booked to travel with
The UK does not have what I looked for when I booked our holidays though. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"If we were at more risk abroad then, there could be an argument for prolonged restrictions. Let's not forget there are still restrictions and that you're still more likely to get this virus in England than abroad.
I do feel for all those caught up in Spain's change of status. Holidays are important though to our mental wellbeing and the economy so I am in favour of allowing people to travel in line with the gov guidelines. To be warm and feel the sun
Stay in UK and support our national economy rather than Spain’s "
Would that include the hundreds of thousands of those whose jobs are with airlines, travel agents, airports etc ? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"The virus can take up to 14 days to show on any test, so why not just quarantine at the border and not let people travel home from the ports possibly infecting others in the process. Once clear they can then go home. If someone decides to travel they then know what to expect on arrival home. The cost of this should be factored into the holiday price.
Exactly, I totally agree. "
That's great in theory but if holidays are allowed they would run out of accomodations near airports probably after one day of flights |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"The virus can take up to 14 days to show on any test, so why not just quarantine at the border and not let people travel home from the ports possibly infecting others in the process. Once clear they can then go home. If someone decides to travel they then know what to expect on arrival home. The cost of this should be factored into the holiday price.
Exactly, I totally agree.
Me too.
Why not... because it’s completely impractical due to the sheer volume of people that pass through larger airports
"
It's public health. Repurpose the Nightingale. Make it happen. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"If we were at more risk abroad then, there could be an argument for prolonged restrictions. Let's not forget there are still restrictions and that you're still more likely to get this virus in England than abroad.
I do feel for all those caught up in Spain's change of status. Holidays are important though to our mental wellbeing and the economy so I am in favour of allowing people to travel in line with the gov guidelines. To be warm and feel the sun
Stay in UK and support our national economy rather than Spain’s
Me personally... Sorry spain isn't on my radar but I'll support the companies that will take me to the airport, the airport lounge and the travel companies I'm booked to travel with
The UK does not have what I looked for when I booked our holidays though. "
Here's hoping for an Indian summer lol |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *D835Man
over a year ago
London |
"I think we should close borders for recreational purposes, business is different. If someone has to leave and then come back there should be an enforced quarantine. As it is, many people won't quarantine when they come back into the country, maybe if they were forced to quarantine in a building dedicated just for that purpose, at their own cost, it would put people off going abroad. There's nothing wrong with having a staycation. "
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *D835Man
over a year ago
London |
"The virus can take up to 14 days to show on any test, so why not just quarantine at the border and not let people travel home from the ports possibly infecting others in the process. Once clear they can then go home. If someone decides to travel they then know what to expect on arrival home. The cost of this should be factored into the holiday price. "
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *parkybunnyCouple
over a year ago
Zurich. NOT London. |
"It's very easy, in fact on many travel forums people say they have done it, to travel back from Spain by car or indirect flight and not be quarantined.
Shouldn't it be all or nothing ?"
The form you have to complete when returning to the UK now links to your passport and asks for ALL countries visited in the preceding 14 days, not just the country you have come from. Lots of people getting stopped at the airport yesterday as their paperwork wasn't complete. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"It's very easy, in fact on many travel forums people say they have done it, to travel back from Spain by car or indirect flight and not be quarantined.
Shouldn't it be all or nothing ?
The form you have to complete when returning to the UK now links to your passport and asks for ALL countries visited in the preceding 14 days, not just the country you have come from. Lots of people getting stopped at the airport yesterday as their paperwork wasn't complete."
The one for visiting Spain is the same |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Living, as we do on the coast. The number of abandoned refugee boats shows how difficult shutting our country's border is
Lol,I think there's rather less arriving in dinghys than by airplane, but whatever
If course there are less arriving in dinghys. That wasn't really my point though
I got your point, but it's all about the numbers.
Not everyone obeyed lockdown, enough did
Not everyone wears face coverings, enough might
We can't stop a relatively tiny number of illegal immigrants but we can easily stop millions of "legal" travellers by ferry or plane for a few weeks rather than leave millions of people in complete uncertainty.
I'm not suggesting we should, rather asking the audience.
"
by the same train of thought... not everyone will obey the rules instead of being shady and driving or travelling via another country ... but enough will
just by putting it on the fco no fly list the numbers will have dropped drastically because insurance will be void, the fact that multiple air carriers are now cancelling their flights reduces the number hugely again
yes there be the die hards that will go to any lengths and odd routes to get where they want/ need to go but to be honest the vast majority will have been people that booked a package holiday and that level of inconvenience and sneakiness wont appeal to the them
to close off to the rest of the world again would in my opinion be extreme |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I should think it's pretty easy to travel back by a direct route and just ignore quarantine. How are they going to police it?
On your own recognisance... With the threat of a random check and a slapped wrist or the threat of a fine... Ooooh. Surely they'd be better testing on landing and heldover for 8 hours till you get the results and if all clear no quarantine required.... (assuming accurate testing) "
yes i heard on the radio today 2 week quarantine being favoured over trsting because it can take between 8-24 hours for results and what would we do with them for 8-24 hours
if you are happy to send them home and trust them to stay there for 14 days, surely you can send them home and trust them to stay there for 8-24 hours til they get a text result of a test ... removes all the unnecessary quarantine for people who are healthy, allows people to travel, allows them to return to work, removes the worry of people getting fed up a week into quarantine and heading out again with no idea if they are infected
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"A bit drastic i think shutting all boarders.I think its a matter of numbers yes you may get some irresponsible people trying to beat the system but is it worth shutting all boarders because of a minority of idiots?
Yes is the simple answer. Should have been done 4 mths ago. How would we have got the food and other things needed if all the boarders had been closed?
stop asking sensible questions "
chapped the door of your local hoarder please sir can i have some more |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
It’s not actually that difficult -
1. Shut down UK airspace for all flights except freight
2. Allow 1 flight per day to and from a ‘Hub Airport’ such as Schipol.
3. ALL passengers coming in on said flight MUST be taken directly to a quarantine space that is run by the government and health officials (the rest you can decide amongst yourselves - ie testing/how long for etc)
4. No passengers on ferries only freight. Trailers to be loaded and unloaded at either end by shunters. No need for drivers to cross the channel/North Sea. (Does NOT includes ferries to UK islands or Isle of Man or Channel Islands)
5. Shut down channel tunnel to all except frieght. (Again trailers can be loaded and unloaded by shunters)
6. ONLY allow foreign travel for extenuating circumstances (eg serious illness/death in the family/compassionate grounds/essential business travel where it can’t be done remotely)
Ok.....so it’s just an idea of how it COULD be done.....
Anyone want to make that decision???????
I sure as hell wouldn’t unless I was in a nuclear fallout shelter as the abuse you’d get for stopping Wayne and Waynetta hopping to Ibiza for 2 weeks would be immense.
See why it wasn’t done Jan 1st 2020??
|
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"I should think it's pretty easy to travel back by a direct route and just ignore quarantine. How are they going to police it?
On your own recognisance... With the threat of a random check and a slapped wrist or the threat of a fine... Ooooh. Surely they'd be better testing on landing and heldover for 8 hours till you get the results and if all clear no quarantine required.... (assuming accurate testing)
yes i heard on the radio today 2 week quarantine being favoured over trsting because it can take between 8-24 hours for results and what would we do with them for 8-24 hours
if you are happy to send them home and trust them to stay there for 14 days, surely you can send them home and trust them to stay there for 8-24 hours til they get a text result of a test ... removes all the unnecessary quarantine for people who are healthy, allows people to travel, allows them to return to work, removes the worry of people getting fed up a week into quarantine and heading out again with no idea if they are infected
"
If you are serious about testing then EVERYONE should be tested every 2 weeks for 12 weeks. Couple that with closed borders and you’d get pretty close to 0 infections after 12 weeks.
I’m not saying it will go away completely but it would help.
But it would only help if travel worldwide was stopped.
BUT - who is paying the airlines and ferry companies and tour operators and hoteliers etc etc etc for 3 months???? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"Look at some smaller islands such as the Isle of Man, they are now 60 days+ covid free due to closing the borders."
they are being subsidised by the uk government
if we close the whole uk which larger area will subsidise us? sure as hell wont be europe |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"just ignore the 94% decrease in hospitalisations since april hey... just ignore the overall bigger picture. that figure is is aslo down on weeks ago? one blip and your pulling it? enjoy the day "
And just ignore the NHS has redeployed loads of people to prepare for the coming rise in covid cases...let's hope the NHS dont know what they are doing eh |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ilth500Man
over a year ago
Merseyside |
"just ignore the 94% decrease in hospitalisations since april hey... just ignore the overall bigger picture. that figure is is aslo down on weeks ago? one blip and your pulling it? enjoy the day
And just ignore the NHS has redeployed loads of people to prepare for the coming rise in covid cases...let's hope the NHS dont know what they are doing eh "
yer that nightingale hospital come in handy didnt it |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"just ignore the 94% decrease in hospitalisations since april hey... just ignore the overall bigger picture. that figure is is aslo down on weeks ago? one blip and your pulling it? enjoy the day "
No need to get upset, that's the actual figures, and as deaths follow infections by 2-3 weeks let's hope that there ISN'T an increase.
I sincerely apologise for posting actual figures though. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
|
"just ignore the 94% decrease in hospitalisations since april hey... just ignore the overall bigger picture. that figure is is aslo down on weeks ago? one blip and your pulling it? enjoy the day
And just ignore the NHS has redeployed loads of people to prepare for the coming rise in covid cases...let's hope the NHS dont know what they are doing eh
yer that nightingale hospital come in handy didnt it "
Winter is still to come with a double whammy...but we will see eh |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ilth500Man
over a year ago
Merseyside |
"just ignore the 94% decrease in hospitalisations since april hey... just ignore the overall bigger picture. that figure is is aslo down on weeks ago? one blip and your pulling it? enjoy the day
No need to get upset, that's the actual figures, and as deaths follow infections by 2-3 weeks let's hope that there ISN'T an increase.
I sincerely apologise for posting actual figures though."
apology accepted |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ilth500Man
over a year ago
Merseyside |
"It's too late to shut the borders. The idiots are already all here."
just a quick one matey, whats your thoughts on the general consensus that people who have bareback sex are playing Russian roulette with theirs and other people's lives?? i mean some people say its like they have no regard whatsoever for other people's health? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
near ipswich |
"It's too late to shut the borders. The idiots are already all here.
just a quick one matey, whats your thoughts on the general consensus that people who have bareback sex are playing Russian roulette with theirs and other people's lives?? i mean some people say its like they have no regard whatsoever for other people's health? "
Wouldnt it take two consensual people to have bareback sex? i really cant see how that relates to walking into a shop where there could be vulnerably people who don consent to you not wearing a mask. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *ilth500Man
over a year ago
Merseyside |
"It's too late to shut the borders. The idiots are already all here.
just a quick one matey, whats your thoughts on the general consensus that people who have bareback sex are playing Russian roulette with theirs and other people's lives?? i mean some people say its like they have no regard whatsoever for other people's health? Wouldnt it take two consensual people to have bareback sex? i really cant see how that relates to walking into a shop where there could be vulnerably people who don consent to you not wearing a mask."
who said it relates to that? |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
|
By *D835Man
over a year ago
London |
"just ignore the 94% decrease in hospitalisations since april hey... just ignore the overall bigger picture. that figure is is aslo down on weeks ago? one blip and your pulling it? enjoy the day "
“...hey... just ignore the overall bigger picture...”
—————————
The bigger picture is that these numbers go down and sometimes rise again .
Even countries that have handled the situation much better than the UK have seen a resurgence which have forced them to reimpose lockdown restrictions which had been lifted earlier.
Think of Hong Kong, Vietnam, Australia and several others. I’m happy the numbers have dropped here; but not I’m not excited just yet. We need to remain alert and not be complacent. |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"It's too late to shut the borders. The idiots are already all here.
Nows there's a point ... Hmmmm
what do you think about my above comment? "
I'd be more worried about sti's than Covid as I've stated many times |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
"just ignore the 94% decrease in hospitalisations since april hey... just ignore the overall bigger picture. that figure is is aslo down on weeks ago? one blip and your pulling it? enjoy the day
“...hey... just ignore the overall bigger picture...”
—————————
The bigger picture is that these numbers go down and sometimes rise again .
Even countries that have handled the situation much better than the UK have seen a resurgence which have forced them to reimpose lockdown restrictions which had been lifted earlier.
Think of Hong Kong, Vietnam, Australia and several others. I’m happy the numbers have dropped here; but not I’m not excited just yet. We need to remain alert and not be complacent. "
Good move |
Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote
or View forums list | |
» Add a new message to this topic
