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"The pay rises that have been announced were announced a long time ago. Nurses pay is still negotiating but there’s no reason to suspect they won’t get a similar pay rise. " Nurses pay rise was negotiated a while back. I doubt if they will be getting another. It would have been nice for some recognition instead of just the clap though The other rises mentioned were already in the pipeline and in the teachers case the rise is coming out of the schools budget | |||
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"Only hospital consultant got a pay rise after a decade long pay freeze. Juniour doctors got a 25% paycut slapped on 2-3 years ago by Mr J *unt , after that they aren’t included in this deal. GPs are not included in this deal. Nurses are underpaid and had their pays frozen for a long time - it’s just pent up frustration coming out - why wouldn’t people not go private or leave the NHS to do agency. There is a limit when you back somebody against the wall ( rant over . Peace ) " Primary Care got a massive 2.8% uplift in the global sum, from which we had to award a 6.7% uplift for staff on the National living wage...equals minus uplift for Partners, I am sure there was no political motive behind said decision!!! | |||
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"Nurses already have a pay rise written into their contracts, a more generous one than was handed out to other public sector workers." That pay rise was a sham, Unions later admitted they were duped and too late to amend. It WAS NOT generous. The pay rises MP's give themselves year on year is 'generous'. Nurses were shafted 2 years ago, with another year to go before anything else will be on the table. Time it was made a level playing field for all. Rishi, Boris and Hancock have the power to overrule what was agreed 2 years ago, today, not in another 12 months. | |||
"Nurses already have a pay rise written into their contracts, a more generous one than was handed out to other public sector workers. That pay rise was a sham, Unions later admitted they were duped and too late to amend. It WAS NOT generous. The pay rises MP's give themselves year on year is 'generous'. Nurses were shafted 2 years ago, with another year to go before anything else will be on the table. Time it was made a level playing field for all. Rishi, Boris and Hancock have the power to overrule what was agreed 2 years ago, today, not in another 12 months."  | |||
"Nurses last year had a 3% pay rise over 3 years that’s 1% each year That’s so generous of them " Then immediately after that mps awarded them selves a 15% pay rise. This has been done 3 times in 3 years | |||
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"Nurses last year had a 3% pay rise over 3 years that’s 1% each year That’s so generous of them Then immediately after that mps awarded them selves a 15% pay rise. This has been done 3 times in 3 years " MPs have always been in it for themselves though, it's not a surprise anymore. It's private sector workers who are going to suffer the worst economic effects from.this though. The biggest job losses since recession, pay cuts, redundancies and years of frozen pay plus the real liklihood of tax increases. | |||
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"The government have never given a rats arse about nurses ,boris has forgotten it was the nurses who looked after him and doctors, it was midwives who help deliver his sprog ,unions are a waste of time they are out for then selfs ,i was a union steward for nhs and never had no backing .give the nurses a good pay rise and make them proud of the work they do ,.... "I agree with u. I hate the unions and the government. Both are for the rich or them selves. Unions only help those who are managers the people at the bottom they ignore | |||
"If you voted for Bozo the ?? in December then you voted to screw the public sector, especially the NHS. Vote for a clown - get a circus." The opposite did you not listen? | |||
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"There is no doubt in my mind that anyone working on the front line during those difficult times, including now deserves a pay increase, however the title suggests of this post 'the clap or pay increase' suggests the general public (who chose to go out on a Thursday night, we wasn't forced too) have some say over pay increases. No the clap didn't bring any extra money in and it seems more and more NHS staff are getting more and more annoyed that we went out to show our gratitude week in week out, the only way we could at the time, seeing it each week on the news of the nation coming together to show our thanks to everyone saving lives and working hard really made me proud. I really wish we could wave a magic wand and have both but we don't and while a clap doesn't bring money, it did bring a little bit of happiness each week, a lot of thanks and people coming together. Danish x" This | |||
"I’m planning on changing careers from nursing to being a politician "Why not.. The pay is better, long holidays and very little responsibility.!! We all should.. | |||
"There is no doubt in my mind that anyone working on the front line during those difficult times, including now deserves a pay increase, however the title suggests of this post 'the clap or pay increase' suggests the general public (who chose to go out on a Thursday night, we wasn't forced too) have some say over pay increases. No the clap didn't bring any extra money in and it seems more and more NHS staff are getting more and more annoyed that we went out to show our gratitude week in week out, the only way we could at the time, seeing it each week on the news of the nation coming together to show our thanks to everyone saving lives and working hard really made me proud. I really wish we could wave a magic wand and have both but we don't and while a clap doesn't bring money, it did bring a little bit of happiness each week, a lot of thanks and people coming together. Danish x" Or was it just a convienient distraction for Boris and Hancock? Maybe you will see it different after watching BBC Panorama: Has the Government Failed the NHS? "Has the government let down the health workers leading the fight against the coronavirus? Reporter Richard Bilton investigates the delays and mistakes that may have put the lives of NHS staff at risk." watch it here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000hr3y Give 'em a clap, tell them they are heroes but screw any pay rise or bonus, soldiers get Danger Money when in action, what about nurses fighting to save lives.. I know NHS staff who frankly, after the 2nd week of clapping, never went to look, it became a farce and a way for Boris to hide behind the truth. Seeing Boris on the steps of Downing St clapping like a 'derranged Sea-lion' wanting to be thrown a Herring knowing these people saved his and many others lives, yet offered nothing? Ask a nurse.. would you prefer a decent pay rise or a 2 minute Thursday night clap? work that one out.. they deserve both, but I am sure the pay rise would be more welcome.. Hence, the title of the post... | |||
"The government have never given a rats arse about nurses ,boris has forgotten it was the nurses who looked after him and doctors, it was midwives who help deliver his sprog ,unions are a waste of time they are out for then selfs ,i was a union steward for nhs and never had no backing .give the nurses a good pay rise and make them proud of the work they do ,....
I agree with u. I hate the unions and the government. Both are for the rich or them selves. Unions only help those who are managers the people at the bottom they ignore "You realise without unions we would all be doing 18 he days 6 days a week? | |||
"There is no doubt in my mind that anyone working on the front line during those difficult times, including now deserves a pay increase, however the title suggests of this post 'the clap or pay increase' suggests the general public (who chose to go out on a Thursday night, we wasn't forced too) have some say over pay increases. No the clap didn't bring any extra money in and it seems more and more NHS staff are getting more and more annoyed that we went out to show our gratitude week in week out, the only way we could at the time, seeing it each week on the news of the nation coming together to show our thanks to everyone saving lives and working hard really made me proud. I really wish we could wave a magic wand and have both but we don't and while a clap doesn't bring money, it did bring a little bit of happiness each week, a lot of thanks and people coming together. Danish x Or was it just a convienient distraction for Boris and Hancock? Maybe you will see it different after watching BBC Panorama: Has the Government Failed the NHS? "Has the government let down the health workers leading the fight against the coronavirus? Reporter Richard Bilton investigates the delays and mistakes that may have put the lives of NHS staff at risk." watch it here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000hr3y Give 'em a clap, tell them they are heroes but screw any pay rise or bonus, soldiers get Danger Money when in action, what about nurses fighting to save lives.. I know NHS staff who frankly, after the 2nd week of clapping, never went to look, it became a farce and a way for Boris to hide behind the truth. Seeing Boris on the steps of Downing St clapping like a 'derranged Sea-lion' wanting to be thrown a Herring knowing these people saved his and many others lives, yet offered nothing? Ask a nurse.. would you prefer a decent pay rise or a 2 minute Thursday night clap? work that one out.. they deserve both, but I am sure the pay rise would be more welcome.. Hence, the title of the post..." How much "danger" money do you think a front line soldier gets on top of the average military pay grade? | |||
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"Reality there ain't the money available and never going to be until all the scroungers and swindlers are done away with and that is most likely never, if anyone don't want their lot any more they are free to move else where and I very much doubt if nurses or doctors can find the equivalent pay in this country.I wish them all the best and am eternally grateful for what they do." It's amazing that people actually read and believe this bullshit. | |||
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"More pay yes a pay rise but they are not that badly paid" The issue is more to do with the salary they get in comparison to the responsibilities and expectations of the job. | |||
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"More pay yes a pay rise but they are not that badly paid The issue is more to do with the salary they get in comparison to the responsibilities and expectations of the job. " True, but salary scales are easily available to those embarking on medical training well in advance. | |||
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"Nurses already have a pay rise written into their contracts, a more generous one than was handed out to other public sector workers." Really ??? | |||
"There is no doubt in my mind that anyone working on the front line during those difficult times, including now deserves a pay increase, however the title suggests of this post 'the clap or pay increase' suggests the general public (who chose to go out on a Thursday night, we wasn't forced too) have some say over pay increases. No the clap didn't bring any extra money in and it seems more and more NHS staff are getting more and more annoyed that we went out to show our gratitude week in week out, the only way we could at the time, seeing it each week on the news of the nation coming together to show our thanks to everyone saving lives and working hard really made me proud. I really wish we could wave a magic wand and have both but we don't and while a clap doesn't bring money, it did bring a little bit of happiness each week, a lot of thanks and people coming together. Danish x Or was it just a convienient distraction for Boris and Hancock? Maybe you will see it different after watching BBC Panorama: Has the Government Failed the NHS? "Has the government let down the health workers leading the fight against the coronavirus? Reporter Richard Bilton investigates the delays and mistakes that may have put the lives of NHS staff at risk." watch it here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000hr3y Give 'em a clap, tell them they are heroes but screw any pay rise or bonus, soldiers get Danger Money when in action, what about nurses fighting to save lives.. I know NHS staff who frankly, after the 2nd week of clapping, never went to look, it became a farce and a way for Boris to hide behind the truth. Seeing Boris on the steps of Downing St clapping like a 'derranged Sea-lion' wanting to be thrown a Herring knowing these people saved his and many others lives, yet offered nothing? Ask a nurse.. would you prefer a decent pay rise or a 2 minute Thursday night clap? work that one out.. they deserve both, but I am sure the pay rise would be more welcome.. Hence, the title of the post... How much "danger" money do you think a front line soldier gets on top of the average military pay grade? They get free housing, free meals, free healthcare " | |||
"so how many are prepaired to pay more tax for nuses to have better pay?" Perhaps those companies who earn millions but pay fuck all in tax could contribute? | |||
"More pay yes a pay rise but they are not that badly paid" "nurses already have a pay rise" How can you say nurses are not badly paid. We go into nursing for the care of people in need. At the end of training now u have roughly £27,000 debt and starting salary is less than £26,000. You get paid to go into teaching now but not nursing (how is this) The deal over 3 years of which its 1% each year pay rise is less than cost of living and less than the 3.1% others are now being offered. How can some get pay rises when praising all NHS staff every week ALL NHS STAFF should get some pay rise | |||
"More pay yes a pay rise but they are not that badly paid nurses already have a pay rise How can you say nurses are not badly paid. We go into nursing for the care of people in need. At the end of training now u have roughly £27,000 debt and starting salary is less than £26,000. You get paid to go into teaching now but not nursing (how is this) The deal over 3 years of which its 1% each year pay rise is less than cost of living and less than the 3.1% others are now being offered. How can some get pay rises when praising all NHS staff every week ALL NHS STAFF should get some pay rise " And many will never repay that £27000 debt | |||
"More pay yes a pay rise but they are not that badly paid nurses already have a pay rise How can you say nurses are not badly paid. We go into nursing for the care of people in need. At the end of training now u have roughly £27,000 debt and starting salary is less than £26,000. You get paid to go into teaching now but not nursing (how is this) The deal over 3 years of which its 1% each year pay rise is less than cost of living and less than the 3.1% others are now being offered. How can some get pay rises when praising all NHS staff every week ALL NHS STAFF should get some pay rise " We live in an age now where a 1% pay rise is deemed as excessive. | |||
"More pay yes a pay rise but they are not that badly paid nurses already have a pay rise How can you say nurses are not badly paid. We go into nursing for the care of people in need. At the end of training now u have roughly £27,000 debt and starting salary is less than £26,000. You get paid to go into teaching now but not nursing (how is this) The deal over 3 years of which its 1% each year pay rise is less than cost of living and less than the 3.1% others are now being offered. How can some get pay rises when praising all NHS staff every week ALL NHS STAFF should get some pay rise We live in an age now where a 1% pay rise is deemed as excessive. " But 3.1 is ok for some | |||
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"Wearing a politician's shoe, the NHS is a public sector enterprise. It's sole source of income is taxation & NI. Now we all know tax is divided, and ~20% goes to healthcare. If that slice is fixed, then spending will either go to staff or to delivery of health. As it happens, roughly 50% goes to wages. So, there are several permutations to improve salaries and workload, but no easy fix. However, the first thing the public can do is look after their health, take responsibility and stop abusing the finite NHS resources "Excuse me... don't think this hasn't gone unnoticed. This is bordering on an educated opinion. We will have non of that in here. We don't want to pay more tax and looking after our health and not wasting resources sounds far too responsible. No, non of that self accountability, I clapped and now I'm blaming the government like everybody else. I've done my bit. | |||
"More pay yes a pay rise but they are not that badly paid nurses already have a pay rise How can you say nurses are not badly paid. We go into nursing for the care of people in need. At the end of training now u have roughly £27,000 debt and starting salary is less than £26,000. You get paid to go into teaching now but not nursing (how is this) The deal over 3 years of which its 1% each year pay rise is less than cost of living and less than the 3.1% others are now being offered. How can some get pay rises when praising all NHS staff every week ALL NHS STAFF should get some pay rise We live in an age now where a 1% pay rise is deemed as excessive. " So why are MPs awarding themselves 10 to 15%, not forgetting the expenses fiddles they get away with or is legit but obscene. 3.1% seems right for others, so why are nurses expected to accept 1%. "Because of the numbers and we cannot afford it" comes the cry. They should step back and either give front line a one off bonus or recalculate the agreement made 2 years ago. I saw the RCN letter apologising to members once they realised they had been deceived into what was actually been offered. As for what the Army get, as already states, free housing, free meals and I believe around £26 per day in action. The number of lives and quality of life salvaged by nurses at £27k who has paid for thier own training and given up 3 years to get there, is frankly a bargain. Supermarkets are paying staff one off bonuses or pay increases so why not those laying it on the line to save others at thier own and families risk to life. | |||
"More pay yes a pay rise but they are not that badly paid nurses already have a pay rise How can you say nurses are not badly paid. We go into nursing for the care of people in need. At the end of training now u have roughly £27,000 debt and starting salary is less than £26,000. You get paid to go into teaching now but not nursing (how is this) The deal over 3 years of which its 1% each year pay rise is less than cost of living and less than the 3.1% others are now being offered. How can some get pay rises when praising all NHS staff every week ALL NHS STAFF should get some pay rise We live in an age now where a 1% pay rise is deemed as excessive. So why are MPs awarding themselves 10 to 15%, not forgetting the expenses fiddles they get away with or is legit but obscene. 3.1% seems right for others, so why are nurses expected to accept 1%. "Because of the numbers and we cannot afford it" comes the cry. They should step back and either give front line a one off bonus or recalculate the agreement made 2 years ago. I saw the RCN letter apologising to members once they realised they had been deceived into what was actually been offered. As for what the Army get, as already states, free housing, free meals and I believe around £26 per day in action. The number of lives and quality of life salvaged by nurses at £27k who has paid for thier own training and given up 3 years to get there, is frankly a bargain. Supermarkets are paying staff one off bonuses or pay increases so why not those laying it on the line to save others at thier own and families risk to life." | |||
"There is no doubt in my mind that anyone working on the front line during those difficult times, including now deserves a pay increase, however the title suggests of this post 'the clap or pay increase' suggests the general public (who chose to go out on a Thursday night, we wasn't forced too) have some say over pay increases. No the clap didn't bring any extra money in and it seems more and more NHS staff are getting more and more annoyed that we went out to show our gratitude week in week out, the only way we could at the time, seeing it each week on the news of the nation coming together to show our thanks to everyone saving lives and working hard really made me proud. I really wish we could wave a magic wand and have both but we don't and while a clap doesn't bring money, it did bring a little bit of happiness each week, a lot of thanks and people coming together. Danish x Or was it just a convienient distraction for Boris and Hancock? Maybe you will see it different after watching BBC Panorama: Has the Government Failed the NHS? "Has the government let down the health workers leading the fight against the coronavirus? Reporter Richard Bilton investigates the delays and mistakes that may have put the lives of NHS staff at risk." watch it here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000hr3y Give 'em a clap, tell them they are heroes but screw any pay rise or bonus, soldiers get Danger Money when in action, what about nurses fighting to save lives.. I know NHS staff who frankly, after the 2nd week of clapping, never went to look, it became a farce and a way for Boris to hide behind the truth. Seeing Boris on the steps of Downing St clapping like a 'derranged Sea-lion' wanting to be thrown a Herring knowing these people saved his and many others lives, yet offered nothing? Ask a nurse.. would you prefer a decent pay rise or a 2 minute Thursday night clap? work that one out.. they deserve both, but I am sure the pay rise would be more welcome.. Hence, the title of the post..." And you're totally right, my point I was trying to make was the British public can't give those who are absolutely due a pay rise, the money they deserve, and maybe clapping each week was lame or whatever but for those first few weeks at least, when if felt like we/they were losing a battle, going out and clapping felt like we was doing something just to say "thank you", I wasn't out there for 10 weeks for any other reason apart from to show my appreciation, from the reports I am hearing now part of me wishes I never bothered, because apparently showing our appreciation in a desperate time in a safe way for everyone doing a bloody hard job and saving lives was totally wrong, yes they are due a pay rise but they also deserve thanks to and that is all we, normal people are capable of. Danish x | |||
"More pay yes a pay rise but they are not that badly paid nurses already have a pay rise How can you say nurses are not badly paid. We go into nursing for the care of people in need. At the end of training now u have roughly £27,000 debt and starting salary is less than £26,000. You get paid to go into teaching now but not nursing (how is this) The deal over 3 years of which its 1% each year pay rise is less than cost of living and less than the 3.1% others are now being offered. How can some get pay rises when praising all NHS staff every week ALL NHS STAFF should get some pay rise We live in an age now where a 1% pay rise is deemed as excessive. So why are MPs awarding themselves 10 to 15%, not forgetting the expenses fiddles they get away with or is legit but obscene. 3.1% seems right for others, so why are nurses expected to accept 1%. "Because of the numbers and we cannot afford it" comes the cry. They should step back and either give front line a one off bonus or recalculate the agreement made 2 years ago. I saw the RCN letter apologising to members once they realised they had been deceived into what was actually been offered. As for what the Army get, as already states, free housing, free meals and I believe around £26 per day in action. The number of lives and quality of life salvaged by nurses at £27k who has paid for thier own training and given up 3 years to get there, is frankly a bargain. Supermarkets are paying staff one off bonuses or pay increases so why not those laying it on the line to save others at thier own and families risk to life." I wonder just what type of person whinges about a pay rise for people who routinely saves on a daily basis . | |||
"Wearing a politician's shoe, the NHS is a public sector enterprise. It's sole source of income is taxation & NI. Now we all know tax is divided, and ~20% goes to healthcare. If that slice is fixed, then spending will either go to staff or to delivery of health. As it happens, roughly 50% goes to wages. So, there are several permutations to improve salaries and workload, but no easy fix. However, the first thing the public can do is look after their health, take responsibility and stop abusing the finite NHS resources
Excuse me... don't think this hasn't gone unnoticed. This is bordering on an educated opinion. We will have non of that in here. We don't want to pay more tax and looking after our health and not wasting resources sounds far too responsible. No, non of that self accountability, I clapped and now I'm blaming the government like everybody else. I've done my bit."People not turning up for appointments and pay freezes and negligible pay rises are 2 completely different issues. | |||
"There is no doubt in my mind that anyone working on the front line during those difficult times, including now deserves a pay increase, however the title suggests of this post 'the clap or pay increase' suggests the general public (who chose to go out on a Thursday night, we wasn't forced too) have some say over pay increases. No the clap didn't bring any extra money in and it seems more and more NHS staff are getting more and more annoyed that we went out to show our gratitude week in week out, the only way we could at the time, seeing it each week on the news of the nation coming together to show our thanks to everyone saving lives and working hard really made me proud. I really wish we could wave a magic wand and have both but we don't and while a clap doesn't bring money, it did bring a little bit of happiness each week, a lot of thanks and people coming together. Danish x Or was it just a convienient distraction for Boris and Hancock? Maybe you will see it different after watching BBC Panorama: Has the Government Failed the NHS? "Has the government let down the health workers leading the fight against the coronavirus? Reporter Richard Bilton investigates the delays and mistakes that may have put the lives of NHS staff at risk." watch it here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000hr3y Give 'em a clap, tell them they are heroes but screw any pay rise or bonus, soldiers get Danger Money when in action, what about nurses fighting to save lives.. I know NHS staff who frankly, after the 2nd week of clapping, never went to look, it became a farce and a way for Boris to hide behind the truth. Seeing Boris on the steps of Downing St clapping like a 'derranged Sea-lion' wanting to be thrown a Herring knowing these people saved his and many others lives, yet offered nothing? Ask a nurse.. would you prefer a decent pay rise or a 2 minute Thursday night clap? work that one out.. they deserve both, but I am sure the pay rise would be more welcome.. Hence, the title of the post... And you're totally right, my point I was trying to make was the British public can't give those who are absolutely due a pay rise, the money they deserve, and maybe clapping each week was lame or whatever but for those first few weeks at least, when if felt like we/they were losing a battle, going out and clapping felt like we was doing something just to say "thank you", I wasn't out there for 10 weeks for any other reason apart from to show my appreciation, from the reports I am hearing now part of me wishes I never bothered, because apparently showing our appreciation in a desperate time in a safe way for everyone doing a bloody hard job and saving lives was totally wrong, yes they are due a pay rise but they also deserve thanks to and that is all we, normal people are capable of. Danish x" From an outsiders point of view..I read a quote from a nurse which said something along the lines of..why bother clapping me if you are going to vote in a party who have just put us through a 6 year pay freeze. I'm not saying the clapping was wrong but I can see her point. Similarly I've read several posts the last few days saying they shouldn't get getting a pay rise/some get paid enough etc..and you cant help thinking were these people out there applauding them? | |||
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"I wouldn't mind paying a bit more tax to pay nurses a better wage, but I'd want to know that it was going to proper healthcare staff and not being spent on more layers of management." For years the mail and the sun have been making this exact point. | |||
"More pay yes a pay rise but they are not that badly paid The issue is more to do with the salary they get in comparison to the responsibilities and expectations of the job. True, but salary scales are easily available to those embarking on medical training well in advance." Yes? | |||
"More pay yes a pay rise but they are not that badly paid The issue is more to do with the salary they get in comparison to the responsibilities and expectations of the job. True, but salary scales are easily available to those embarking on medical training well in advance. Yes? " No need for the question mark | |||
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"I wouldn't mind paying a bit more tax to pay nurses a better wage, but I'd want to know that it was going to proper healthcare staff and not being spent on more layers of management. For years the mail and the sun have been making this exact point." Oh dear. I feel rather grubby now  | |||
"I have worked in the NHS my whole career and this final statement from the government felt like a real blow. My friend is a teacher and earns a lot more than me. Has worked on average 2 days a week throughout lock down and is getting a payrise for the hard work they have done - that’s how the government statement worded it. " That's a whole other can of worms ... | |||
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"I have worked in the NHS my whole career and this final statement from the government felt like a real blow. My friend is a teacher and earns a lot more than me. Has worked on average 2 days a week throughout lock down and is getting a payrise for the hard work they have done - that’s how the government statement worded it. Had no pay rises been given it would have been crap but to give everyone but nurses a pay rise feels like a kick when we are down and I’ve been seriously looking at retraining and leaving the NHS. "
And if anyone says they got a pay rise, remind them it was well over due, under inflation rate which at the time it was got was far lower than when applied. They can't really go on strike and when they do, they're only allowed to not answer phones but have to do everything else. They and the auxiliary staff are the backbone of the NHS and Boris has forgotten that they kept him alive. | |||
"I wouldn't mind paying a bit more tax to pay nurses a better wage, but I'd want to know that it was going to proper healthcare staff and not being spent on more layers of management." Absolutely no need too. What's needed is for the government to pay into the NHS what it already collects from all working people already. Similar to vehicle tax, only 25% collected is put into road network system. The rest as with NI is filtered off to fund other things. | |||
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"More pay yes a pay rise but they are not that badly paid The issue is more to do with the salary they get in comparison to the responsibilities and expectations of the job. True, but salary scales are easily available to those embarking on medical training well in advance." Yes they are but those same folk kind of expect to get a wage rise each year rather than have their wages frozen for a decade. | |||
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The nurses I know were appreciative of the gesture made by the general public and should have stayed so.
I made a point of a few times walking to our local hospital with 100's of others, seeing nurses joining us out front with tears in their eyes, air ambulances making flyby salutes.
They were sickened by Boris turning it political event, taking over the TV on a Thursday night, making it about him clapping like a penguin on steroids.
Something I didnt understand is how the police were claiming crime had plummetted and could spare 10 to 20 police cars and vans on a thursday evening, what actually were they doing?
If he really truly cared, he has the power and authority to right the massive wrong put in place by his own party and would have moved heaven and hell to resolve his incompetence at providing correct and abundant PPE.
As soon as the images of Boris started being shown at 8pm, Thursday nights on News channels, it kind of stuck a pin in the balloon and took the tarnish off and I am certain the same for many others.
It was started by kind and grateful public and was heart warming until it got hijacked. Whether for political gain or other it simply left a bad taste.
75 years of the NHS, why not use this to have shown real appreciation of what nurses do. Many adults, children and babies would not be alive today if not for thier dedication to the lives of others and the training they committed to.
Having proof read coursework of both a neo and adult care nurses during training, I have seen in depth the specialities of their subject.
To become a nurse involved great personal sacrifices, working long hours with few breaks and still expected to perform to perfection.
What Osborne did two years was deliberate and wholly wrong.
If you have not seen it, watch the Panaorama documentry I posted earlier.
I did a post on this after it was aired.. | |||
"Just to correct some miss information in this post. The military do not get free food or accomodation. Both are paid for by the individual, only time it's free is when the individual is on exercise or deployment" Exactly - on deployment. Nurses are "on deployment" fighting on the front line also suffering incompetences made by the government and as such, should be given the same allowances. | |||
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"Don't take this the wrong way, but anyone working in the NHS is not on deployment or the "front line". Deployment in the military means your thousands of miles away from loved ones for several months at a time in extreme and hostile conditions with the ever present threat of danger with out any of life's little luxury that most people take for granted such as running water, a proper bed or being able to call your loved ones at the end of the day. This is not an attack on the people who work hard in the NHS, far from it. As most people do, I have friends who are nurses, and they will be the first ones to agree with me on this. " If they aren't on the front line why did so many die during the crisis? I don't really see the comparison.When someone signs up for the army,,they know,,or should do,that if there is a conflict,they may die. Nurses don't sign up for this.They are there to save lives. | |||
"Just to correct some miss information in this post. The military do not get free food or accomodation. Both are paid for by the individual, only time it's free is when the individual is on exercise or deployment Exactly - on deployment. Nurses are "on deployment" fighting on the front line also suffering incompetences made by the government and as such, should be given the same allowances." Hardly. Rations... I'd not describe it as food... and I think it's not even a close comparison. Don't kid yourself... a 12 hour shift in a hospital with PPE is not like being on the "front line". | |||
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"Just to correct some miss information in this post. The military do not get free food or accomodation. Both are paid for by the individual, only time it's free is when the individual is on exercise or deployment Exactly - on deployment. Nurses are "on deployment" fighting on the front line also suffering incompetences made by the government and as such, should be given the same allowances. Hardly. Rations... I'd not describe it as food... and I think it's not even a close comparison. Don't kid yourself... a 12 hour shift in a hospital with PPE is not like being on the "front line"." It is a frontline just, not your definition of one. | |||
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"Either way.. it is not a direct comparison, but whatever way you look at it,, they are risking their own and families lives to help others.. That is enough to comoare.." | |||
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"I dont know nurses pay but midwives earn a fortune. My wife works as a midwife in London and gets double my salary working 15 hours less a week. Maybe the should cut the salaries of midwives give extra to nurses and cut out half the _iddle management and invest in better facilities. The NHS is poorly run but it is not run by the government. There are far too many managers and not enough staff. The budgets are what they are until 1 of 2 things happens, 1 unemployment is reduced significantly or 2, the nhs is privatised. " If its poorly run why has it coped admirably in such a testing situation? When Cameron made their cuts they spoke about not cutting front line services.So presumably ambulances would just drive round aimlessly looking for someone to treat? People have made millions of the back of this pandemic and we are squabbling about people who deliver babies and routinely save lives,getting a measly 1% pay rise. The race to the bottom is in full flow. | |||
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" How much "danger" money do you think a front line soldier gets on top of the average military pay grade? They get free housing, free meals, free healthcare " Where did you get that bullshit info from? 12 years in the military and at no point did I get free food or accommodation. The food and accommodation I did pay for was fucking dire. | |||
"Pay them what they deserve. It’s as simple as that for me, selfless & caring they are the best of us. " | |||
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"Nurses last year had a 3% pay rise over 3 years that’s 1% each year That’s so generous of them " How is that generous Is 3% all you are worth for putting your life on the line Especially those ungrateful politicians Sad sad | |||
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"I dont know nurses pay but midwives earn a fortune. My wife works as a midwife in London and gets double my salary working 15 hours less a week. Maybe the should cut the salaries of midwives give extra to nurses and cut out half the _iddle management and invest in better facilities. The NHS is poorly run but it is not run by the government. There are far too many managers and not enough staff. The budgets are what they are until 1 of 2 things happens, 1 unemployment is reduced significantly or 2, the nhs is privatised. " She's more qualified than you probably and the on calls are brutal, intact midwifery is bloody hard | |||
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" Hardly. Rations... I'd not describe it as food... and I think it's not even a close comparison. Don't kid yourself... a 12 hour shift in a hospital with PPE is not like being on the "front line"." I agree. But surely the people who are hideing while I work are "ORDER OF THE WHITE FEATHER" Pure cowardice. That's my military comparison. The army are idiots. They wanted me in the parachute regiment and sandhirst untill I admitted autism. Parachute regiment punch eachothers faces like that are in a mcdojo or Soviet union Meanwhile us marines learn MMA Our military is a joke now | |||
