Someone just sent me a funny picture on WhatsApp about the anti maskers... I chuckled and then I paused. Whilst Im happy to wear a mask as I believe it makes sense, we have seen people on here and in the real world who refuse for their own reasons. Now my go to response is they are thoughtless and selfish.... And that's not a kind thought process.
I personally feel masks are going to be with us for a long time now. As a way of reducing certain infections..
But I've also seen the vitriol and lack of tolerance for both sides. So my question / thought... Is this just going to create yet more division in an already divided society.? We see threads In the fora about racism, thinism, fatism, ageism... Do we think maskism will become a thing? |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
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I think some people who choose to wear a face covering (and are in favour of them being mandatory) have good intentions and logical reasons.
I think others who choose not to wear a face covering (and want it to remain optional) have good reasons and practical concerns.
Unfortunately in this day and age shouting and name calling have replaced rational discussion and respect for opinions. |
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Like all social engineering, it will always run up against those who can't comply and those who won't.
Looking back, seatbelts were controversial.
Now, nobody blinks an eye, and those who are exempt (e.g. pregnant women) aren't discriminated against. |
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"Someone just sent me a funny picture on WhatsApp about the anti maskers... I chuckled and then I paused. Whilst Im happy to wear a mask as I believe it makes sense, we have seen people on here and in the real world who refuse for their own reasons. Now my go to response is they are thoughtless and selfish.... And that's not a kind thought process.
I personally feel masks are going to be with us for a long time now. As a way of reducing certain infections..
But I've also seen the vitriol and lack of tolerance for both sides. So my question / thought... Is this just going to create yet more division in an already divided society.? We see threads In the fora about racism, thinism, fatism, ageism... Do we think maskism will become a thing? "
No I don't but I do think that some people will continue to be horrible to anyone who doesn't live exactly how they choose to.
We decided weeks ago that the only way to get through this stuff without too much stress is to decide what we feel is the best way to protect ourselves and our loved ones and let everyone else do the same without worrying if it's different to us.
It's clear that not everyone understands what 1 and 2 meters looks like, not everyone wants to wear a face covering and of those that do not everyone understands that it needs to cover your nose too and that taking it off to speak isn't sensible neither is keep adjusting it by pinching the big by your mouth and nose. So we just do our thing and let other people do theirs. |
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Just so I'm clear.
*The virus is NOT dangerous in pubs and bars.
*The virus IS dangerous in shops,but not spreadable by the shop workers themselves.
*The virus is NOT dangerous in the workplace.
Its got nothing to do with covid spreading, it's because they've scared folks so much they can't now get them back to the shops.
Folks can see through this Hypocrisy bullshit, and that's why the shop mask CCP policy will backfire.
https://t.co/ZqdomPDwAo?amp=1 |
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I hate wearing masks as I find them extremely uncomfortable and they make me overheat really badly to the point where I sometimes feel like fainting. But I still wear them because I live with someone extremely vulnerable. Maybe if everyone had someone they cared about being truly afraid for their lives (with good reason) they might change their minds about everybody making a collective effort to try and protect them  |
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"They are mandatory here in andulucia at the mo it came in last Wednesday everyone around here seems to comply without moaning but then the police enforce the law with a e100 fine.  "
Yes I have friends who live in barcelona and their authorities have been considerably stricter. I think clear messaging and enforcement help with any "debate". From the outside it seems other nations have been better at adopting measures. But I guess we don't have access to their social media so perhaps they are also having 3000 people raves and we just don't see it reported.. We seem quite a difficult lot to govern. |
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"I think some people who choose to wear a face covering (and are in favour of them being mandatory) have good intentions and logical reasons.
I think others who choose not to wear a face covering (and want it to remain optional) have good reasons and practical concerns.
Unfortunately in this day and age shouting and name calling have replaced rational discussion and respect for opinions."
True I watched the program on trump last night. Breathtaking abuse of (social) media, and I'm sure many are the same. I think what's also evident is that people take as fact what appears on Facebook or insta or whatever else rather than doing a bit of digging into so called facts. |
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"Like all social engineering, it will always run up against those who can't comply and those who won't.
Looking back, seatbelts were controversial.
Now, nobody blinks an eye, and those who are exempt (e.g. pregnant women) aren't discriminated against."
Good point, I can well remember when seat belts were made compulsory, imagine how that would go down were we to try and implelemnt that now.
I remember similar when crash helmets were made compulsory, some of the objections.. Were in the "dog ate my homework" category. |
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"Just so I'm clear.
*The virus is NOT dangerous in pubs and bars.
*The virus IS dangerous in shops,but not spreadable by the shop workers themselves.
*The virus is NOT dangerous in the workplace.
Its got nothing to do with covid spreading, it's because they've scared folks so much they can't now get them back to the shops.
Folks can see through this Hypocrisy bullshit, and that's why the shop mask CCP policy will backfire.
https://t.co/ZqdomPDwAo?amp=1"
What makes you think that the virus is not dangerous in pubs and bars? |
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"I enjoy walking around with my mask on in public.
It's easier to go robbing.
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Haha yes can you imagine what this does for all the cctv cameras and facial recognition cameras we have sprouted everywhere. One would assume it negates them. |
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"I hate wearing masks as I find them extremely uncomfortable and they make me overheat really badly to the point where I sometimes feel like fainting. But I still wear them because I live with someone extremely vulnerable. Maybe if everyone had someone they cared about being truly afraid for their lives (with good reason) they might change their minds about everybody making a collective effort to try and protect them "
We do seem to have settled into a divergence of thoughts and behaviours...
One group whose ambition is to eradicate the virus, make it harder to spread and catch and stay as safe as possible and accept that there are economic and social consequences for so doing.
And another group who seem to accept that the virus is in the community and will spread and will kill some people and will cope with that and just want to go about their lives as "normally" as possible. |
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As a shop worker, I have been wearing one all of last week and we are making it compulsory from tomorrow (when we re-open) for all customers to wear one.
All staff as soon as they enter the shop (even if they are office based) will be wearing one.
I’m getting quite a collection of reusable masks now |
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"Just so I'm clear.
*The virus is NOT dangerous in pubs and bars.
*The virus IS dangerous in shops,but not spreadable by the shop workers themselves.
*The virus is NOT dangerous in the workplace.
Its got nothing to do with covid spreading, it's because they've scared folks so much they can't now get them back to the shops.
Folks can see through this Hypocrisy bullshit, and that's why the shop mask CCP policy will backfire.
https://t.co/ZqdomPDwAo?amp=1"
Its also NOT dangerous in schools, or at least my kids school according to the letter I got for September, kids are NOT to wear face masks in school  |
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"I hate wearing masks as I find them extremely uncomfortable and they make me overheat really badly to the point where I sometimes feel like fainting. But I still wear them because I live with someone extremely vulnerable. Maybe if everyone had someone they cared about being truly afraid for their lives (with good reason) they might change their minds about everybody making a collective effort to try and protect them
We do seem to have settled into a divergence of thoughts and behaviours...
One group whose ambition is to eradicate the virus, make it harder to spread and catch and stay as safe as possible and accept that there are economic and social consequences for so doing.
And another group who seem to accept that the virus is in the community and will spread and will kill some people and will cope with that and just want to go about their lives as "normally" as possible. "
And the populist approach of this government is trying to please them both and creating a fudged compromise that creates confusion and ends up pissing both groups off. |
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I don't know anyone who refuses and have only probably picked up arguments about a slippery slope of freedom erosion, although we always concede some liberty for the benefit of the greater good.
It's just a measure in shops, where we spend a tiny minority of our time, or on public transport, as has been the case for some time. It helps to protect ourselves, as we could be close to someone infected, ss well as retail and transport staff, who we need to be present, to help to provide the services we want.
I don't see it as a major division in society, perceiving those who will make a big issue of this, switching to an alternative cause to complain about, as part of their raison d'etre. They are likely already somewhat divorcing themselves from mainstream society at present.
Shops - don't visit, if you won't make a tiny contribution to the wellbeing of our society |
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Funny, just listening to radio. Show talking about how, around the world, we are being looked at with in disbelief because of this 'anti mask' stance some have taken up.
It's really odd what is happening in this country on so many fronts right now. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"Someone just sent me a funny picture on WhatsApp about the anti maskers... I chuckled and then I paused. Whilst Im happy to wear a mask as I believe it makes sense, we have seen people on here and in the real world who refuse for their own reasons. Now my go to response is they are thoughtless and selfish.... And that's not a kind thought process.
I personally feel masks are going to be with us for a long time now. As a way of reducing certain infections..
But I've also seen the vitriol and lack of tolerance for both sides. So my question / thought... Is this just going to create yet more division in an already divided society.? We see threads In the fora about racism, thinism, fatism, ageism... Do we think maskism will become a thing? "
The difference with this and most -isms is that refusing to wear a mask is 99% of the time a choice. However in common with most -isms it too is born from ignorance.
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"Just so I'm clear.
*The virus is NOT dangerous in pubs and bars.
*The virus IS dangerous in shops,but not spreadable by the shop workers themselves.
*The virus is NOT dangerous in the workplace.
Its got nothing to do with covid spreading, it's because they've scared folks so much they can't now get them back to the shops.
Folks can see through this Hypocrisy bullshit, and that's why the shop mask CCP policy will backfire.
https://t.co/ZqdomPDwAo?amp=1"
This is the problem. You are choosing to reduce this down to all or nothing. That is the problem. That is why it makes no sense to you. Because you choose not to engage with with subtleties and realities of the world. The same problem many brexiteers suffer from.
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"Funny, just listening to radio. Show talking about how, around the world, we are being looked at with in disbelief because of this 'anti mask' stance some have taken up.
It's really odd what is happening in this country on so many fronts right now."
Indeed. It is British exceptionalism (English exceptionalism mainly) turned up to 11. At least we are not America otherwise we’d probably be trying to claim we could shoot the virus.
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There is no evidence to support the wearing of face coverings. They certainly do not stop a person catching covid19. If a person suffering from covid19 wears a mask the cough is only reduced in the length it is carried. SAGE and WHO scientific evidence does not support the efficiency of a face covering. People fear is driving the fear that is leading to face coverings. At the same time social distancing rules which are the most effective way to prevent the spread are now totally ignored in England and is the reason the virus is increasing |
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I have worn a mask in all enclosed spaces for about 8 weeks now.
Before that, I didn't have one. We made them.
I have lost 4 friends to COVID-19 mostly over 65, male, and with underlying health conditions. I have had 4 friends - 3 medial people - contract and survive COVID-19.
Forced air ventilation with tubes into your lungs is a lot more uncomfortable than a mask or a coffin. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"There is no evidence to support the wearing of face coverings. They certainly do not stop a person catching covid19. If a person suffering from covid19 wears a mask the cough is only reduced in the length it is carried. SAGE and WHO scientific evidence does not support the efficiency of a face covering. People fear is driving the fear that is leading to face coverings. At the same time social distancing rules which are the most effective way to prevent the spread are now totally ignored in England and is the reason the virus is increasing "
There is evidence. You are just choosing to ignore it. Are face coverings perfect? No of course not. Are they inconvenient? Yes. But they are helpful in reducing transmission.
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By *RSTCouple
over a year ago
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Masks can only be effective when worn correctly and of the correct type. The vast majority we've seen are neither of these.
Also, there is a huge lack of consistency with the advice. We should wear masks on public transport and in shops... Yet we can all go out for dinner or to the pub without them.
There are many holes in how we've dealt with this virus. |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"Masks can only be effective when worn correctly and of the correct type. The vast majority we've seen are neither of these.
Also, there is a huge lack of consistency with the advice. We should wear masks on public transport and in shops... Yet we can all go out for dinner or to the pub without them.
There are many holes in how we've dealt with this virus. "
No approach is going to be perfect. However some sensible compromises can certainly help.
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"Funny, just listening to radio. Show talking about how, around the world, we are being looked at with in disbelief because of this 'anti mask' stance some have taken up.
It's really odd what is happening in this country on so many fronts right now.
Indeed. It is British exceptionalism (English exceptionalism mainly) turned up to 11. At least we are not America otherwise we’d probably be trying to claim we could shoot the virus.
-Matt "
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"Masks can only be effective when worn correctly and of the correct type. The vast majority we've seen are neither of these.
Also, there is a huge lack of consistency with the advice. We should wear masks on public transport and in shops... Yet we can all go out for dinner or to the pub without them.
There are many holes in how we've dealt with this virus. "
In you opinion ... |
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"Masks can only be effective when worn correctly and of the correct type. The vast majority we've seen are neither of these.
Also, there is a huge lack of consistency with the advice. We should wear masks on public transport and in shops... Yet we can all go out for dinner or to the pub without them.
There are many holes in how we've dealt with this virus.
In you opinion ..."
I dunno, I think there are some stuff that was certainly ridiculously handled... |
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over a year ago
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"Masks can only be effective when worn correctly and of the correct type. The vast majority we've seen are neither of these.
Also, there is a huge lack of consistency with the advice. We should wear masks on public transport and in shops... Yet we can all go out for dinner or to the pub without them.
There are many holes in how we've dealt with this virus.
In you opinion ..."
Which bit? It's more more our view than opinion.
The point of the mask is that it catches and prevents the virus getting passed it. So a mask without the correct density for this virus (gaps in the material too big the virus can fit through) or ill fitting at the edges (gaps for the virus to divert and redirect through) are not really preventing the spread, they are simply altering it's course to the next victim.
Don't get us started on those wearing them below their nose or removing them to talk to people. |
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Just a quick note for all the pro maskers in shops, be careful what you touch, because it may have also been touched before hand by another pro masker who may have also handled their own mask 30 or 40 times earlier that day, adjusting it,taking it on and off etc, thanks....
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"I hate wearing masks as I find them extremely uncomfortable and they make me overheat really badly to the point where I sometimes feel like fainting. But I still wear them because I live with someone extremely vulnerable. Maybe if everyone had someone they cared about being truly afraid for their lives (with good reason) they might change their minds about everybody making a collective effort to try and protect them
We do seem to have settled into a divergence of thoughts and behaviours...
One group whose ambition is to eradicate the virus, make it harder to spread and catch and stay as safe as possible and accept that there are economic and social consequences for so doing.
And another group who seem to accept that the virus is in the community and will spread and will kill some people and will cope with that and just want to go about their lives as "normally" as possible.
And the populist approach of this government is trying to please them both and creating a fudged compromise that creates confusion and ends up pissing both groups off."
Yeah I dislike blaming others especially govt, any govt really, for things that are really a personal responsibility. I mean nobody tells me to put my trousers on in the morning, yet I manage that without a government directive. BUT.... Im finding it harder and harder to defend this lot. Let's hope the predicted second spike is smaller than predicted. |
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"Funny, just listening to radio. Show talking about how, around the world, we are being looked at with in disbelief because of this 'anti mask' stance some have taken up.
It's really odd what is happening in this country on so many fronts right now."
That's a worry isn't it? Especially at a time when we need to be building bridges. |
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"Just a quick note for all the pro maskers in shops, be careful what you touch, because it may have also been touched before hand by another pro masker who may have also handled their own mask 30 or 40 times earlier that day, adjusting it,taking it on and off etc, thanks....
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Or they may not have and dare I say...they might have good hygiene and gel or wash their hands regularly.
But dont let that get in the way of your blinkered view eh |
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over a year ago
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"Just a quick note for all the pro maskers in shops, be careful what you touch, because it may have also been touched before hand by another pro masker who may have also handled their own mask 30 or 40 times earlier that day, adjusting it,taking it on and off etc, thanks....
Or they may not have and dare I say...they might have good hygiene and gel or wash their hands regularly.
But dont let that get in the way of your blinkered view eh "
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Surely the best approach is to think that nobody else has been careful, so you take care of yourself, in turn taking care of everyone else too. |
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"There is no evidence to support the wearing of face coverings. They certainly do not stop a person catching covid19. If a person suffering from covid19 wears a mask the cough is only reduced in the length it is carried. SAGE and WHO scientific evidence does not support the efficiency of a face covering. People fear is driving the fear that is leading to face coverings. At the same time social distancing rules which are the most effective way to prevent the spread are now totally ignored in England and is the reason the virus is increasing "
I disagree with you there. There is scientific evidence. The trouble is in many cases it does not support the narrative that for some reason this simple yet effective way of reducing transmission rates when inside by between 3 and 17 percent offers. Thankfully many people are happy to do what they can to try to reduce the spread. There are some who are not prepared to do that.
It is my belief that until we start to police this properly then we will be ineffective with this and paybthe consequences. For most other countries this does not seem to be such a challenge. |
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"Masks can only be effective when worn correctly and of the correct type. The vast majority we've seen are neither of these.
Also, there is a huge lack of consistency with the advice. We should wear masks on public transport and in shops... Yet we can all go out for dinner or to the pub without them.
There are many holes in how we've dealt with this virus. "
Trouble is, I genuinely don't believe that people are that thick. My kids get it. It's not black and white. It's about doing what we can to reduce transmission and take the virus out of our community or reduce its presence. There are many factors at play, one of which is to keep the economy alive and keep people socialising as isolation is not healthy.
People can always find inconsistencies if they wish. But that doesn't help stop transmission of the virus. Pretty much Any face covering will help... Is it by 1 per cent or 5 per cent or even 10 percent... Is dependent on the material used and how its fitted and worn. As someone who believes its correct based on the real evidence that countries who are wearing them have a better transmission rate... And those that aren't.
Have a worse transmission rate. I just wonder why it challenges some people so much and to the subject of the thread, why we have to be so belligerant with the discussions. |
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"Just a quick note for all the pro maskers in shops, be careful what you touch, because it may have also been touched before hand by another pro masker who may have also handled their own mask 30 or 40 times earlier that day, adjusting it,taking it on and off etc, thanks....
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Are you an 'anti vaxer' as well?? |
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"Just so I'm clear.
*The virus is NOT dangerous in pubs and bars.
*The virus IS dangerous in shops,but not spreadable by the shop workers themselves.
*The virus is NOT dangerous in the workplace.
Its got nothing to do with covid spreading, it's because they've scared folks so much they can't now get them back to the shops.
Folks can see through this Hypocrisy bullshit, and that's why the shop mask CCP policy will backfire.
https://t.co/ZqdomPDwAo?amp=1"
The virus will have the opertunity to spread in every environment that we live. Might seem a bit off having one rule for one place and not another but I font think this is one big conspiracy theory and bullshit as some think it is. Life has to go on and adapt to wearing masks and adhere to rules and regulations however mad we think they are. It is still a huge problem this virus which ain't going to go away so wearing of masks is here for good I think, as shit as it may be. |
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Lol, ya can't make this shit up, just watched look northwest, from two women in Blackburn shops to a guy who runs boats in the lakes, wearing masks under their nose, and a guy walking down the road who touches his mask 3 times in a 3 second clip, |
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Did the 7000 fans running amock in Leeds all have their masks on. Probably did so that they couldn't be recognised on CCTV. What a great opportunity this is going to be anti social and get away with it.
Brilliant. |
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Yes it will cause a bigger devide in the society and that is on top with brexit. I always wear one, those that dont are more likely the ones who will start of the 2nd wave quicker, like going on holidays, not keeping distance, it is good that it will be mandatory to wear it in the shops and transport |
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"We wear face coverings because it makes others feel more comfortable"
I respect this view but to say it makes others more comfortable maybe true for some but to others like me it makes me very very uncomfortable. I just wish the mask police would appreciate that we should have freedom to choose, but that is being taken away from us.
I can't hear what people are saying properly. I end up peering round the perspex screens and they nearly always end up taking their masks off to repeat something. I feel very intimidated by people in masks. Dunno why. I know it's irrational but it freaks me out. I will not be going to the shops much any more. I think I am getting a phobia about it. |
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There are people who are racist, bigoted and all manner of arseholes.
Getting worried about some idiot getting shouted at for refusing to wear a mask is hardly the kind of divisive nature I honestly give a crap about in this country.
If that's all it takes for society to devolve... I think people are well beyond any notion of reasonable nature to begin with.
Yes you can breathe with your mask on, NO you don't have some magic condition that prevents you wearing one. Shut up and stop acting like a bitch. |
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"Lol, ya can't make this shit up, just watched look northwest, from two women in Blackburn shops to a guy who runs boats in the lakes, wearing masks under their nose, and a guy walking down the road who touches his mask 3 times in a 3 second clip, "
Yeah I seen one or two of them with their nose not covered today...but also seen hundred wearing them correctly |
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"We wear face coverings because it makes others feel more comfortable
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I dont wear mine for others. I wear mine so there is less chance to get it from others especially in enclosed spaces where the chances are greater too. |
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As I told a friend on fb... If a mask makes you feel safer, wear one... If it doesn't, don't... Just don't bitch when you get turned away from places where we are required to wear on to use tge facilities! He whines about people being shitty with him for not wearing one but then does the same to those that do... Does my freaking head in! |
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"As I told a friend on fb... If a mask makes you feel safer, wear one... If it doesn't, don't... Just don't bitch when you get turned away from places where we are required to wear on to use tge facilities!"
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The issues with masks, aren’t the masks themselves but so many people not using them correctly.
I’ve seen so many people pulling them up and down, up and down that they might as well not be bloody wearing it in the first place.
If you can’t use a mask appropriately then there really isn’t going to do any good to anyone. |
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"The issues with masks, aren’t the masks themselves but so many people not using them correctly.
I’ve seen so many people pulling them up and down, up and down that they might as well not be bloody wearing it in the first place.
If you can’t use a mask appropriately then there really isn’t going to do any good to anyone."
Dont worry about if they touch it or mess about with it...that's thier own undoing, just concentrate on yourself is all you can do...oh and try to avoid the feckers when you see them |
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The logic of wearing a mask is simple
If we’re both naked and I piss on you, you’ll get very wet.
If you wear clothes and I piss on you, you still get wet but not quite as much.
If we both wear clothes I end up mainly pissing on my clothes and much less will go on you.
There isn’t much more to the science than that. |
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"The logic of wearing a mask is simple
If we’re both naked and I piss on you, you’ll get very wet.
If you wear clothes and I piss on you, you still get wet but not quite as much.
If we both wear clothes I end up mainly pissing on my clothes and much less will go on you.
There isn’t much more to the science than that."
Water sports! Ffs youd think we were on a sex site....oh hang on  |
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"The logic of wearing a mask is simple
If we’re both naked and I piss on you, you’ll get very wet.
If you wear clothes and I piss on you, you still get wet but not quite as much.
If we both wear clothes I end up mainly pissing on my clothes and much less will go on you.
There isn’t much more to the science than that.
Water sports! Ffs youd think we were on a sex site....oh hang on "
I thought the metaphor was inappropriately appropriate |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The logic of wearing a mask is simple
If we’re both naked and I piss on you, you’ll get very wet.
If you wear clothes and I piss on you, you still get wet but not quite as much.
If we both wear clothes I end up mainly pissing on my clothes and much less will go on you.
There isn’t much more to the science than that.
Water sports! Ffs youd think we were on a sex site....oh hang on
I thought the metaphor was inappropriately appropriate "
It was a good analogy |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The logic of wearing a mask is simple
If we’re both naked and I piss on you, you’ll get very wet.
If you wear clothes and I piss on you, you still get wet but not quite as much.
If we both wear clothes I end up mainly pissing on my clothes and much less will go on you.
There isn’t much more to the science than that."
Brilliant!!!!! This needs to be made into an advert to help people understand. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Watersports are fun 
Wearing a mask gives the person wearing it a little protection but tha main benefit of them is that it helps the person wearing it from passing something on. This reduces the spread of the virus to others and keeps us all safer in the long run, it's all down to personal responsibility. |
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By *BWarksCouple
over a year ago
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"Just so I'm clear.
*The virus is NOT dangerous in pubs and bars.
*The virus IS dangerous in shops,but not spreadable by the shop workers themselves.
*The virus is NOT dangerous in the workplace.
Its got nothing to do with covid spreading, it's because they've scared folks so much they can't now get them back to the shops.
Folks can see through this Hypocrisy bullshit, and that's why the shop mask CCP policy will backfire.
https://t.co/ZqdomPDwAo?amp=1"
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"We wear face coverings because it makes others feel more comfortable
I respect this view but to say it makes others more comfortable maybe true for some but to others like me it makes me very very uncomfortable. I just wish the mask police would appreciate that we should have freedom to choose, but that is being taken away from us.
I can't hear what people are saying properly. I end up peering round the perspex screens and they nearly always end up taking their masks off to repeat something. I feel very intimidated by people in masks. Dunno why. I know it's irrational but it freaks me out. I will not be going to the shops much any more. I think I am getting a phobia about it."
And that's fine, that is your freedom not to go into shops for a while. You'll be able to shop online.
Does your mask phobia also apply to other face coverings like a Burka? |
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"We wear face coverings because it makes others feel more comfortable
I respect this view but to say it makes others more comfortable maybe true for some but to others like me it makes me very very uncomfortable. I just wish the mask police would appreciate that we should have freedom to choose, but that is being taken away from us.
I can't hear what people are saying properly. I end up peering round the perspex screens and they nearly always end up taking their masks off to repeat something. I feel very intimidated by people in masks. Dunno why. I know it's irrational but it freaks me out. I will not be going to the shops much any more. I think I am getting a phobia about it.
And that's fine, that is your freedom not to go into shops for a while. You'll be able to shop online.
Does your mask phobia also apply to other face coverings like a Burka? "
Or motorcycle crash helmets. |
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"Two boys drop dead in China while wearing masks during gym class. "
You're clearly being very selective about what you read... linking fox news as a reputable source and posting this fear mongering propaganda |
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"Someone just sent me a funny picture on WhatsApp about the anti maskers... I chuckled and then I paused. Whilst Im happy to wear a mask as I believe it makes sense, we have seen people on here and in the real world who refuse for their own reasons. Now my go to response is they are thoughtless and selfish.... And that's not a kind thought process.
I personally feel masks are going to be with us for a long time now. As a way of reducing certain infections..
But I've also seen the vitriol and lack of tolerance for both sides. So my question / thought... Is this just going to create yet more division in an already divided society.? We see threads In the fora about racism, thinism, fatism, ageism... Do we think maskism will become a thing? "
Yes it certainly going to add yet another layer of division
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
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"Just so I'm clear.
*The virus is NOT dangerous in pubs and bars.
*The virus IS dangerous in shops,but not spreadable by the shop workers themselves.
*The virus is NOT dangerous in the workplace.
Its got nothing to do with covid spreading, it's because they've scared folks so much they can't now get them back to the shops.
Folks can see through this Hypocrisy bullshit, and that's why the shop mask CCP policy will backfire.
https://t.co/ZqdomPDwAo?amp=1"
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over a year ago
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"Just so I'm clear.
*The virus is NOT dangerous in pubs and bars.
*The virus IS dangerous in shops,but not spreadable by the shop workers themselves.
*The virus is NOT dangerous in the workplace.
Its got nothing to do with covid spreading, it's because they've scared folks so much they can't now get them back to the shops.
Folks can see through this Hypocrisy bullshit, and that's why the shop mask CCP policy will backfire.
https://t.co/ZqdomPDwAo?amp=1"
Well said, very true. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Like all social engineering, it will always run up against those who can't comply and those who won't.
Looking back, seatbelts were controversial.
Now, nobody blinks an eye, and those who are exempt (e.g. pregnant women) aren't discriminated against.
Good point, I can well remember when seat belts were made compulsory, imagine how that would go down were we to try and implelemnt that now.
I remember similar when crash helmets were made compulsory, some of the objections.. Were in the "dog ate my homework" category. "
Two totally different and statistically provable circumstances. |
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There are people on both sides who are making it into a culture war issue. And that confuses people’s ability to see the issues clearly. In my view it’s an evidence based public health issue, but I want people to look at the evidence before jumping on the bandwagon of whichever influencer/ newspaper/ pub pundit (either way) they listen to. |
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The fact of the matter is, that when lockdown first started,'to flattern the curve and save the NHS' for the first month at least 99.97 of the public where on board 'to stay at home to save the NHS'
Folks have even bought into the 'civil duty' of leaving name and number for the contact trasers.
But when the smell of the bullshit and bluring contridictions around shop masks is so strong you can smell it with or without a mask folks will call it out, And are doing so.
I went to town today (Monday) there was only 5% maskers,if that. there isn't cat in hells chance of turning England into a clone of communist China.
As for the seat belt analogy, if shop workers didn't have to wear one or if your travelling to a pub or a bar you didn't. it wouldn't be too long before there is blood on the tarmac. There are proven facts,testing,data and video evidence showing that you WILL fly through a car window without a seat belt.
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By *i1971Man
over a year ago
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I think there is a divide occurring. However I was in one of our holiday hotspots yesterday and the place was packed solid with holiday makers. I know the streets aren't the widest but social distancing was almost non existent. There were maybe 2 or 3 at most that I saw with face coverings.
The shops are quite small and they haven't really ed out the touristy crap from their displays, so the shops were also busy.
Whether or not people are using face coverings it surely isn't difficult to remember to keep 2m from anyone where possible - which is also one of the most effective methods of control. Even adult family groups walking 3 and 4 abreast as they walk along  |
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"Just so I'm clear.
*The virus is NOT dangerous in pubs and bars.
*The virus IS dangerous in shops,but not spreadable by the shop workers themselves.
*The virus is NOT dangerous in the workplace.
Its got nothing to do with covid spreading, it's because they've scared folks so much they can't now get them back to the shops.
Folks can see through this Hypocrisy bullshit, and that's why the shop mask CCP policy will backfire.
https://t.co/ZqdomPDwAo?amp=1
This is the problem. You are choosing to reduce this down to all or nothing. That is the problem. That is why it makes no sense to you. Because you choose not to engage with with subtleties and realities of the world. The same problem many brexiteers suffer from.
-Matt"
This is exactly what the op was talking about, isn’t it? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The logic of wearing a mask is simple
If we’re both naked and I piss on you, you’ll get very wet.
If you wear clothes and I piss on you, you still get wet but not quite as much.
If we both wear clothes I end up mainly pissing on my clothes and much less will go on you.
There isn’t much more to the science than that.
Brilliant!!!!! This needs to be made into an advert to help people understand. "
Who is posing for the pictures? |
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"There are people who are racist, bigoted and all manner of arseholes.
Getting worried about some idiot getting shouted at for refusing to wear a mask is hardly the kind of divisive nature I honestly give a crap about in this country.
If that's all it takes for society to devolve... I think people are well beyond any notion of reasonable nature to begin with.
Yes you can breathe with your mask on, NO you don't have some magic condition that prevents you wearing one. Shut up and stop acting like a bitch."
This is also exactly what the OP was talking about. |
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By *ouanna JoWoman
over a year ago
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"I think some people who choose to wear a face covering (and are in favour of them being mandatory) have good intentions and logical reasons.
I think others who choose not to wear a face covering (and want it to remain optional) have good reasons and practical concerns.
Unfortunately in this day and age shouting and name calling have replaced rational discussion and respect for opinions."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I work for a well known supermarket...we have been told to wear masks to set a good example (even though it's not compulsory) but that we can't stop people from entering the store without one (which is supposedly compulsory) as it leaves staff open to verbal and physical abuse.
We will get abuse no matter what we do unfortunately |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Was talking to a lady checkout operator in aldi...they have been told no mask required while on checkout. But they must use one on the shop floor...and will be enforcing a no mask no entry policy... |
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"Was talking to a lady checkout operator in aldi...they have been told no mask required while on checkout. But they must use one on the shop floor...and will be enforcing a no mask no entry policy..."
We have been told we are not allowed to refuse people entry...it's going to be a fun few days |
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"I work for a well known supermarket...we have been told to wear masks to set a good example (even though it's not compulsory) but that we can't stop people from entering the store without one (which is supposedly compulsory) as it leaves staff open to verbal and physical abuse.
We will get abuse no matter what we do unfortunately"
It makes sense to prevent abusive behaviour, especially as raised voices would probably mean that people would be likely to emit more breath droplets at higher force towards others.
I'm hoping that social pressure from other customers will be enough to influence people to make the tiny sacrifice of buying and wearing a mask. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Just wear a mask and stop been selfish people. The mask is so YOU reduced Your risk if you have COVID from spreading it won't stop you catching it. Even if you have no signs you can still have it. Spare a thought for the vulnerable who are wearing masks that you could spread this to and kill. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There are people who are racist, bigoted and all manner of arseholes.
Getting worried about some idiot getting shouted at for refusing to wear a mask is hardly the kind of divisive nature I honestly give a crap about in this country.
If that's all it takes for society to devolve... I think people are well beyond any notion of reasonable nature to begin with.
Yes you can breathe with your mask on, NO you don't have some magic condition that prevents you wearing one. Shut up and stop acting like a bitch."
Factually incorrect. They aren’t “magic” conditions that prevent you from wearing them, but actual medical ones. If I wear a mask, my already restricted breathing becomes more restricted. I can’t breath through my nose 90% of the time. Breathing in wearing the majority of masks reduces air flow. Breathing through your mouth wearing a mask, sucks the mask against your mouth - putting you at risk - you might as well be licking your fingers every five minutes. I am worried that I will get abuse if I do not wear a mask, and so, even though it will negatively affect me, I will wear one while I shop. Thankfully I am normally quite efficient, know what I want and get in and get out, and only really do food shopping.
The masks aren’t really meant for long term use. Untrained people wearing masks won’t wear them properly, will touch them, remove them incorrectly and unfortunately also dispose of them inappropriately. The amount of masks littering the floor is unbelievable. The people touching their masks will then go on to touch countless items in shops - unless of course they are washing their hands after every time they touch their face or before they touch something else.
This is purely a rule to try and coax people out of their homes and spend money to prop up the economy, by making hem feel safer. I have yet to see any definitive proof that masks will make a massive difference if worn. I have seen experts say they may reduce the risk, but I have also seen them say they may not. I’ve seen lots of videos of people in different types of masks trying to blow out candles, claiming different masks are more effective. The best thing about these, are the fact that because they are wearing masks you can’t tell how much effort is being made to blow it out. Nor can you tell if their mouths are shaped to actually direct the flow of air at the flame. |
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I will given you an example of maskism that is the thin edge of a wedge. Certain retail employers are stating that all retail assistants must wear a mask. This is despite govt guidelines which state that shop assistants do not have to wear a mask but are advised to do so.
So who is in the right here if an employee decided that they would not wear a mask. Could they be given written warnings and then sacked for it ?
Has Mr Plod got the time to go and arrest all the non mask wearers out there. I suspect that they might have slightly better things to do like catching real criminals but hey who am I to question their workload.
I for one will not be helping shops with my footfall. If the disease is this bad then I am scared to death now and wont be venturing into shops for at least next 3 weeks so all you happy mask wearers had better get your wallets out and start spending. I've done that for last few weeks so you'd better take up the batten and help the poor shopkeepers and store owners out.
I'll perhaps help out with Weekly shop in my snood but that's about it I'm afraid.
Good luck retailers. I really think you are going to need it.
Online retailers will probably be the main benefits of this measure. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I worry for those hidden reasons who will get abuse for not wearing them.. The folk who had attempted strangulation/suffocation and victims of abuse who can't wear them..
Shouldn't need to justify to anyone. Nor discuss their reasons.. Nor wear. Label/badge etc..
Those families wear speech lip reading is important.. Why should they wear a label if their child is deaf..
There are many.. So many..
So many bad asthmatics /copd... Not everyone has support
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By *ilth500Man
over a year ago
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"Just wear a mask and stop been selfish people. The mask is so YOU reduced Your risk if you have COVID from spreading it won't stop you catching it. Even if you have no signs you can still have it. Spare a thought for the vulnerable who are wearing masks that you could spread this to and kill. "
so if a vulnerable person is wearing a mask, but im not, can i spread it to them? |
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"Just wear a mask and stop been selfish people. The mask is so YOU reduced Your risk if you have COVID from spreading it won't stop you catching it. Even if you have no signs you can still have it. Spare a thought for the vulnerable who are wearing masks that you could spread this to and kill.
so if a vulnerable person is wearing a mask, but im not, can i spread it to them? "
That it correct. The mask reduces how far air will travel from your mouth. If you are infected and don't wear a mask the virus will travel further in the air. If you wear a mask it reduces how far in the air you breath. Doesn't make anyone 100 perfect safe but reduces the infection rate massively. |
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By *ilth500Man
over a year ago
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"Just wear a mask and stop been selfish people. The mask is so YOU reduced Your risk if you have COVID from spreading it won't stop you catching it. Even if you have no signs you can still have it. Spare a thought for the vulnerable who are wearing masks that you could spread this to and kill.
so if a vulnerable person is wearing a mask, but im not, can i spread it to them?
That it correct. The mask reduces how far air will travel from your mouth. If you are infected and don't wear a mask the virus will travel further in the air. If you wear a mask it reduces how far in the air you breath. Doesn't make anyone 100 perfect safe but reduces the infection rate massively. "
so therefore the mask dsnt stop a person being infected? |
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By *ilth500Man
over a year ago
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"Just wear a mask and stop been selfish people. The mask is so YOU reduced Your risk if you have COVID from spreading it won't stop you catching it. Even if you have no signs you can still have it. Spare a thought for the vulnerable who are wearing masks that you could spread this to and kill.
so if a vulnerable person is wearing a mask, but im not, can i spread it to them?
That it correct. The mask reduces how far air will travel from your mouth. If you are infected and don't wear a mask the virus will travel further in the air. If you wear a mask it reduces how far in the air you breath. Doesn't make anyone 100 perfect safe but reduces the infection rate massively. "
massively??? what percentage? because it wasn't that long ago masks wasnt believed to be needed? things arnt adding up to me with the need all of a sudden for masks and ONLY in certain situations or places they are needed? very odd |
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"Just wear a mask and stop been selfish people. The mask is so YOU reduced Your risk if you have COVID from spreading it won't stop you catching it. Even if you have no signs you can still have it. Spare a thought for the vulnerable who are wearing masks that you could spread this to and kill.
so if a vulnerable person is wearing a mask, but im not, can i spread it to them?
That it correct. The mask reduces how far air will travel from your mouth. If you are infected and don't wear a mask the virus will travel further in the air. If you wear a mask it reduces how far in the air you breath. Doesn't make anyone 100 perfect safe but reduces the infection rate massively.
so therefore the mask dsnt stop a person being infected? "
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We will get abuse from people if we stop them entering the store and we will get abuse if we let people without masks in (which is what we have been told).
Basically we are going to get abuse no matter what |
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By *B 4099Man
over a year ago
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"Like all social engineering, it will always run up against those who can't comply and those who won't.
Looking back, seatbelts were controversial.
Now, nobody blinks an eye, and those who are exempt (e.g. pregnant women) aren't discriminated against."
You are extremely correct. In Ireland in 1974 there were riots in Dublin and around the country as just before Christmas the legal amount of pints and being allowed to drive was reduced from 22 pints to 12. And there were riots. 12 pints! Now in Ireland 1 an a quarter pints and you are over the limit. People will always push against things that make them safer. If a mask is uncomfortable or find it hard to breathe in one ,there are many different kinds available. Eventually it will become completely normal. People still use hand dryers in public bathrooms, and they are ridiculously unhygienic. No matter what people will ALWAYS argue. I for one wear my mask to protect myself and others. And have no problem doing so. |
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"Just so I'm clear.
*The virus is NOT dangerous in pubs and bars.
*The virus IS dangerous in shops,but not spreadable by the shop workers themselves.
*The virus is NOT dangerous in the workplace.
Its got nothing to do with covid spreading, it's because they've scared folks so much they can't now get them back to the shops.
Folks can see through this Hypocrisy bullshit, and that's why the shop mask CCP policy will backfire.
https://t.co/ZqdomPDwAo?amp=1
What makes you think that the virus is not dangerous in pubs and bars? "
Whats the reason for not wearing mask in pubs or workplaces? |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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"Now my go to response is they are thoughtless and selfish.... And that's not a kind thought process......So my question / thought... Is this just going to create yet more division in an already divided society.? We see threads In the fora about racism, thinism, fatism, ageism... Do we think maskism will become a thing? "
Yes of course. When people aren’t free they turn on each other, always have and always will. Your go to response has been carefully constructed for you.
We have some masks , we will decide when to put them in and when to take them off as we don’t watch TV / news etc so are largely unaware of the detailed rules. But it’s not rocket science, there will be signs and stuff I’m sure |
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"Now my go to response is they are thoughtless and selfish.... And that's not a kind thought process......So my question / thought... Is this just going to create yet more division in an already divided society.? We see threads In the fora about racism, thinism, fatism, ageism... Do we think maskism will become a thing?
Yes of course. When people aren’t free they turn on each other, always have and always will. Your go to response has been carefully constructed for you.
We have some masks , we will decide when to put them in and when to take them off as we don’t watch TV / news etc so are largely unaware of the detailed rules. But it’s not rocket science, there will be signs and stuff I’m sure "
Why aren't you keeping yourselves informed in regards to changes in how we live as a result of coronavirus? |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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"Now my go to response is they are thoughtless and selfish.... And that's not a kind thought process......So my question / thought... Is this just going to create yet more division in an already divided society.? We see threads In the fora about racism, thinism, fatism, ageism... Do we think maskism will become a thing?
Yes of course. When people aren’t free they turn on each other, always have and always will. Your go to response has been carefully constructed for you.
We have some masks , we will decide when to put them in and when to take them off as we don’t watch TV / news etc so are largely unaware of the detailed rules. But it’s not rocket science, there will be signs and stuff I’m sure
Why aren't you keeping yourselves informed in regards to changes in how we live as a result of coronavirus?"
There’s no need to watch the Boris TV show, we get plenty of comedy here thanks. if there’s something really important happening we will find out through friends or signs or the clown will write to us |
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