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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Hello
I’ve recently noticed that shop assistants aren’t wearing masks but a lot more public are (before the rule comes into place).
Whether the publics numbers increase is still debatable.
I googled and found out that retail assistants don’t need to wear masks!
Erm? Why not?
Does anyone work in a shop? Can you please argue me your reasoning so I feel happier? As right now it doesn’t make sense to me
Thanks
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By *OXO2018Couple
over a year ago
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I work in a supermarket petrol station and none of us wear masks as we behind a screen. We also block aisles when filling up. And I wash my hands regularly.
I'd say 80% of the people wearing masks, take them off to talk to you anyway so it kind of defeats the object.
This is just my personal experience. |
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Pickers will not be obliged to wear masks in supermarkets from 24th July but when they clock off and do their own shopping in the same store after work they must wear one. Covid19 is so clever it can tell if shopworkers are on duty or not. |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"Pickers will not be obliged to wear masks in supermarkets from 24th July but when they clock off and do their own shopping in the same store after work they must wear one. Covid19 is so clever it can tell if shopworkers are on duty or not. "
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"I work in a supermarket petrol station and none of us wear masks as we behind a screen. We also block aisles when filling up. And I wash my hands regularly.
I'd say 80% of the people wearing masks, take them off to talk to you anyway so it kind of defeats the object.
This is just my personal experience. "
Our store doesn't block off aisles. Lots of staff on the shop floor. I think everyone should wear masks, to protect each other  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It might have something to do with the health and safety of the staff having to wear them for extended periods. Also some cant wear them for health reasons and people that have glasses have major problems with not being able to see due to glasses steaming up.
Imagine a small shop with 5 workers. All have asthma except for one person. Why should that one person have to go through the discomfort of wearing a mask but the rest dont?
Also remember that workers dont have a choice about being there but customers do. If you arent happy about it then dont shop there. |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
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"It might have something to do with the health and safety of the staff having to wear them for extended periods. Also some cant wear them for health reasons and people that have glasses have major problems with not being able to see due to glasses steaming up.
Imagine a small shop with 5 workers. All have asthma except for one person. Why should that one person have to go through the discomfort of wearing a mask but the rest dont?
Also remember that workers dont have a choice about being there but customers do. If you arent happy about it then dont shop there."
Lots of people don't have choices, in the work place. There is a reason they're asking us to wear masks, but lots of exceptions, it would seem |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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When I am at work I see 60 people a day but they only see me. Therefore it is more important that they don't breath on me and on my working space which I will have to continue working in for hours, than that I don't breath on them (I am also behind perspex and at 1m+ distance. If I need to get closer to them I assess how long the contact will be and may put a mask on too if it's gonna be a long one).
When I go to shops myself the situation is reversed, I am one of hundreds so I cover my face to protect their space. Also I am only in the shop for minutes, an hour tops, not a whole working day. I hope this makes sense, it does to me. |
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I find in my personal experience whilst working. It's entirely upto the company and the individuals. Some companies don't and will have barriers up or facemask. I think most have either or... Simply for safety of staff. However like anything some people won't care either way. My company made it compulsory to wear masks or face shields during this time.
As for people with asthma that someone mentioned above. Our staff that classed as high risk because of asthma and other medical conditions aren't allowed back. But we do also have the face shields because glasses steaming up etc and we found most customers were taking of masks to talk to us anyhow so. Face shields felt better protection |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"When I am at work I see 60 people a day but they only see me. Therefore it is more important that they don't breath on me and on my working space which I will have to continue working in for hours, than that I don't breath on them (I am also behind perspex and at 1m+ distance. If I need to get closer to them I assess how long the contact will be and may put a mask on too if it's gonna be a long one).
When I go to shops myself the situation is reversed, I am one of hundreds so I cover my face to protect their space. Also I am only in the shop for minutes, an hour tops, not a whole working day. I hope this makes sense, it does to me."
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It does make sense and thank you for explaining it so politely  |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
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I find in my personal experience whilst working. It's entirely upto the company and the individuals. Some companies don't and will have barriers up or facemask. I think most have either or... Simply for safety of staff. However like anything some people won't care either way. My company made it compulsory to wear masks or face shields during this time.
As for people with asthma that someone mentioned above. Our staff that classed as high risk because of asthma and other medical conditions aren't allowed back. But we do also have the face shields because glasses steaming up etc and we found most customers were taking of masks to talk to us anyhow so. Face shields felt better protection "
That makes sense too |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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" I am also behind perspex and at 1m+ distance."
I want to add that I'm pleased face covers in shops are becoming mandatory. Because most people, without thinking I guess, do come round the perspex and lean over to talk to me, and when I need to get closer to them it gets too awkward and embarrassing to ask them to cover their faces, especially if they don't have a cover or they think it's all nonsense. |
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I'm a retail manager in Scotland so it's already compulsory for customers to wear a face covering, our company provided us with visors to wear when we're on the shop floor but staff can choose to wear a mask if they're more comfortable with that.
It does get hot/uncomfortable wearing either for anything up to 9 hours a day tho especially when dealing with deliveries and moving stock about but we all stick to the company policy of wearing them when dealing with or being around the public.
Our biggest issue is when people coming into the shop think they don't need to use the hand sanitizer because they're wearing gloves or "I've just used sanitiser in another shop"... And don't even get me started on the ones who object to being asked to wait outside because we're already at the capacity laid down in the risk assessment that was carried out to help keep both staff and customers as safe and socially distanced as possible. |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
" I am also behind perspex and at 1m+ distance.
I want to add that I'm pleased face covers in shops are becoming mandatory. Because most people, without thinking I guess, do come round the perspex and lean over to talk to me, and when I need to get closer to them it gets too awkward and embarrassing to ask them to cover their faces, especially if they don't have a cover or they think it's all nonsense."
I've seen people do that too |
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I am glad that it is being made mandatory in shops, but am also dreading it as there seem to be a hell of a lot of people out there who become easily agressive when asked to consider other peoples health. |
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"I am glad that it is being made mandatory in shops, but am also dreading it as there seem to be a hell of a lot of people out there who become easily agressive when asked to consider other peoples health."
I feel most will just follow suit, and those that won't/argue otherwise can be arrested for it via police and tend to be scared off by that. But we also got a lot of good folks out there (public) who will also be quick to jump in on altercations like that. |
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Corona is so intelligent it can differentiate between a shopper and a shop worker,also a shop and an office, also a shop and a bar, anyone see the problem here,
The whole shop mask thing is a complete farce. |
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I work in a cash and carry.we had the option to wear a mask.they are a hindrance more than a benefit.our customer don't adhere to social distancing. we are forever telling them to stand away from the staff.when a customer removes their mask to cough or sneeze.when we criticise their behaviour,they just make excuses.i am unsure if we will have to wear mask while working, when the new rules come into force.we have been lucky and not had a member of staff being infected.SO FAR |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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A lot on here saying they wont go out shopping if they have to wear a mask.
I'm the opposite...if the staff on the shop floor are not wearing a mask I'll go to a shop where they are... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Corona is so intelligent it can differentiate between a shopper and a shop worker,also a shop and an office, also a shop and a bar, anyone see the problem here,
The whole shop mask thing is a complete farce. "
People who don't understand or don't want to understand variations in policies - the objective is to avoid potential exposure and limit spread while allowing for life to continue with some normalcy or comfort. You can't drink and eat through a face covering so you either keep bars& restaurants closed or waive the face covering rule - but there are other measures in place. In the office environment you come in direct contact with the same few dozen coworkers everyday (also most offices are still closed/staggered returns), whereas in retail you can go through hundreds and thousands of customers in a week.
The aim of these policies is not for an aseptic environment, it is calculating risk and damage limitation.
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I must have Misunderstood, I didn't realise it was just about "risk aversion"
I thought every one who didn't wear a mask was a selfish grandma murderer
I guess shop workers, office workers and folks in bars get a free pass on that then.
No matter how you try to spin it, the mask fiasco has nothing to do with covid spreading.
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And so what if you do know everyone in the office, do you know who everyone in the office meets out of hours, erm no, that argument has no logic whatsoever.
Masks are nothing more than a psychological stunt. |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"A lot on here saying they wont go out shopping if they have to wear a mask.
I'm the opposite...if the staff on the shop floor are not wearing a mask I'll go to a shop where they are..."
I may consider this The medical masks are too tight for hubby,he is asthmatic, got him a washable one from wikinsons, which is a comfortable fit. See how he gets on with it, or I'll shop on my home rather than someone confront him for not wearing one. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"A lot on here saying they wont go out shopping if they have to wear a mask.
I'm the opposite...if the staff on the shop floor are not wearing a mask I'll go to a shop where they are...
I may consider this The medical masks are too tight for hubby,he is asthmatic, got him a washable one from wikinsons, which is a comfortable fit. See how he gets on with it, or I'll shop on my home rather than someone confront him for not wearing one. "
Wise choice samis |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"A lot on here saying they wont go out shopping if they have to wear a mask.
I'm the opposite...if the staff on the shop floor are not wearing a mask I'll go to a shop where they are...
I may consider this The medical masks are too tight for hubby,he is asthmatic, got him a washable one from wikinsons, which is a comfortable fit. See how he gets on with it, or I'll shop on my home rather than someone confront him for not wearing one.
Wise choice samis "
Lots of people wearing them in the shops today |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"Most companies have made it policy for retail workers to wear them.
My partner is stuck in his 8 hours a day, which sucks."
Yesterday, no staff in Tesco wearing them, today all staff in Waitrose wearing a mask or a visor, think I'll be changing to Waitrose
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"A lot on here saying they wont go out shopping if they have to wear a mask.
I'm the opposite...if the staff on the shop floor are not wearing a mask I'll go to a shop where they are...
I may consider this The medical masks are too tight for hubby,he is asthmatic, got him a washable one from wikinsons, which is a comfortable fit. See how he gets on with it, or I'll shop on my home rather than someone confront him for not wearing one.
Wise choice samis
Lots of people wearing them in the shops today "
I've noticed a lot more too |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Most companies have made it policy for retail workers to wear them.
My partner is stuck in his 8 hours a day, which sucks.
Yesterday, no staff in Tesco wearing them, today all staff in Waitrose wearing a mask or a visor, think I'll be changing to Waitrose
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Oh ffs you live near a waitrose...posh bugger  |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"Most companies have made it policy for retail workers to wear them.
My partner is stuck in his 8 hours a day, which sucks.
Yesterday, no staff in Tesco wearing them, today all staff in Waitrose wearing a mask or a visor, think I'll be changing to Waitrose
Oh ffs you live near a waitrose...posh bugger "
Haha . I have to say, good on them for protecting their customers, it was a much better shopping experience x |
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By *J647Couple
over a year ago
Daventry |
Just a little thought, if a young shop worker, goes to pub with mate's, catches covid 19, goes to work next day no symptoms doesn't whare a mask see's hundreds of customers they could potentially infect a lot more people |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Most companies have made it policy for retail workers to wear them.
My partner is stuck in his 8 hours a day, which sucks.
Yesterday, no staff in Tesco wearing them, today all staff in Waitrose wearing a mask or a visor, think I'll be changing to Waitrose
Oh ffs you live near a waitrose...posh bugger
Haha . I have to say, good on them for protecting their customers, it was a much better shopping experience x"
Nearest one to me is a good 45 minute drive....I dont think I've been in one  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just a little thought, if a young shop worker, goes to pub with mate's, catches covid 19, goes to work next day no symptoms doesn't whare a mask see's hundreds of customers they could potentially infect a lot more people"
Yep this has always been the case and I think shelf stackersor any floor workers should have had a paper mask worn at least.. |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"Just a little thought, if a young shop worker, goes to pub with mate's, catches covid 19, goes to work next day no symptoms doesn't whare a mask see's hundreds of customers they could potentially infect a lot more people"
or any age |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"Most companies have made it policy for retail workers to wear them.
My partner is stuck in his 8 hours a day, which sucks.
Yesterday, no staff in Tesco wearing them, today all staff in Waitrose wearing a mask or a visor, think I'll be changing to Waitrose
Oh ffs you live near a waitrose...posh bugger
Haha . I have to say, good on them for protecting their customers, it was a much better shopping experience x
Nearest one to me is a good 45 minute drive....I dont think I've been in one "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just a little thought, if a young shop worker, goes to pub with mate's, catches covid 19, goes to work next day no symptoms doesn't whare a mask see's hundreds of customers they could potentially infect a lot more people
Yep this has always been the case and I think shelf stackersor any floor workers should have had a paper mask worn at least.. "
Also I remember queuing at 2mtr queues in the early days of it at a one stop shop with a little doorway. Thay had a big numpty regulating people in and out while holding the door and making every customer pass him with in inches...and the thick decker had no mask on  |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"Just a little thought, if a young shop worker, goes to pub with mate's, catches covid 19, goes to work next day no symptoms doesn't whare a mask see's hundreds of customers they could potentially infect a lot more people
Yep this has always been the case and I think shelf stackersor any floor workers should have had a paper mask worn at least.. "
I think so too. The cashiers are behind perspex screens |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"Just a little thought, if a young shop worker, goes to pub with mate's, catches covid 19, goes to work next day no symptoms doesn't whare a mask see's hundreds of customers they could potentially infect a lot more people
Yep this has always been the case and I think shelf stackersor any floor workers should have had a paper mask worn at least..
Also I remember queuing at 2mtr queues in the early days of it at a one stop shop with a little doorway. Thay had a big numpty regulating people in and out while holding the door and making every customer pass him with in inches...and the thick decker had no mask on "
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If i go into a shop as a customer I am there for maybe 25 minutes at most, if i am at work i am there for 9 hours at a time, sorry but i am not wearing a mask for 9 hours !
I am keeping 2 metres away from customers (at least) and on the tills i am behind a screen.
The idea of masks in shops is so that they can relax / scrap the 2 metre rule - really !!!!
Even in a mask, and if i have to wear one it will be against all my wishes - there will still be NOBODY getting within 2 metres of me anywhere ! |
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By *pmsldCouple
over a year ago
kettering |
"Hello
I’ve recently noticed that shop assistants aren’t wearing masks but a lot more public are (before the rule comes into place).
Whether the publics numbers increase is still debatable.
I googled and found out that retail assistants don’t need to wear masks!
Erm? Why not?
Does anyone work in a shop? Can you please argue me your reasoning so I feel happier? As right now it doesn’t make sense to me
Thanks
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The shop workers didnt make this rule and i dont know the governments reason for making staff exempt but they are recommending that companies do get staff to wear them. My guess is it's to do with supply, a shop will use far more masks per day than the general public which will put alot of pressure on the supply so if a shop runs out for example they can continue to operate while they source more. My company are making it mandatory (aside from those who are exempt for medical reasons etc) On a personal level I cant say I'm looking forward to wearing a mask for 8 hours a day, and the fact that we are going to have to deal with people moaning from both sides ( customers who dont agree with masks and those who do) |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
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"If i go into a shop as a customer I am there for maybe 25 minutes at most, if i am at work i am there for 9 hours at a time, sorry but i am not wearing a mask for 9 hours !
I am keeping 2 metres away from customers (at least) and on the tills i am behind a screen.
The idea of masks in shops is so that they can relax / scrap the 2 metre rule - really !!!!
Even in a mask, and if i have to wear one it will be against all my wishes - there will still be NOBODY getting within 2 metres of me anywhere ! "
It's good that you social distance, I wish staff in our local store did |
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"If i go into a shop as a customer I am there for maybe 25 minutes at most, if i am at work i am there for 9 hours at a time, sorry but i am not wearing a mask for 9 hours !
I am keeping 2 metres away from customers (at least) and on the tills i am behind a screen.
The idea of masks in shops is so that they can relax / scrap the 2 metre rule - really !!!!
Even in a mask, and if i have to wear one it will be against all my wishes - there will still be NOBODY getting within 2 metres of me anywhere !
It's good that you social distance, I wish staff in our local store did "
In our store it is more often the customers who want to get into our faces to ask questions, and SOME of the ones in masks are the worst; seems they think they are invincible ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I thought every one who didn't wear a mask was a selfish grandma murderer"
Nope that was only for people breaking lockdown  Present situation is different, we have gone back to tracing&containment. It doesn't matter if some people get a "free pass" re. face coverings as long as the majority follows regulations. I did watch your link btw, I am a little amused you said what I describe is spin cos the presenter gave a masterclass |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
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"If i go into a shop as a customer I am there for maybe 25 minutes at most, if i am at work i am there for 9 hours at a time, sorry but i am not wearing a mask for 9 hours !
I am keeping 2 metres away from customers (at least) and on the tills i am behind a screen.
The idea of masks in shops is so that they can relax / scrap the 2 metre rule - really !!!!
Even in a mask, and if i have to wear one it will be against all my wishes - there will still be NOBODY getting within 2 metres of me anywhere !
It's good that you social distance, I wish staff in our local store did
In our store it is more often the customers who want to get into our faces to ask questions, and SOME of the ones in masks are the worst; seems they think they are invincible !"
Yes, I've seen that. |
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By *i1971Man
over a year ago
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"Corona is so intelligent it can differentiate between a shopper and a shop worker,also a shop and an office, also a shop and a bar, anyone see the problem here,
The whole shop mask thing is a complete farce. "
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
Northampton Somewhere |
I work in a shop, we're still waiting to hear the companies stance on whether we will have to wear one.
I think it should be up to the individual to choose which has been the case until now.
If it's busy I'll wear one and still keep my distance. If it's not I won't but I will very much appreciate it when the customers do. There's 10 of us at the most in at any one time atm, and potentially 100's of customers throughout the day. |
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I wear one when I go inside anywhere public and at work I put one one as someone comes in, I don’t see the problem in wearing one and being around people I don’t know I really don’t want to take the risk. Plus if it helps stop stuff great if it don’t no harm done by having it on. Why all the fuss if you can do it if you can’t don’t. Think a lot of people need to stop being silly and worry about the bigger things.
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By *J647Couple
over a year ago
Daventry |
"I work in a shop, we're still waiting to hear the companies stance on whether we will have to wear one.
I think it should be up to the individual to choose which has been the case until now.
If it's busy I'll wear one and still keep my distance. If it's not I won't but I will very much appreciate it when the customers do. There's 10 of us at the most in at any one time atm, and potentially 100's of customers throughout the day. "
But if you are a customer it's not a choice , you say only 10 of you hundreds of customers,as I take it the mask is to protect others not the wearer, so my question is infected shop worker not wearing mask could infect more, 1 customer 25 minutes in shop maybe contact 10 other customers 1 shop worker 9 hours in shop maybe in contact with 100 customers ?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I work in a supermarket. The elderly customers have enough trouble hearing me from behind the screen, without the masks making it worse. I also have a deaf customer who lip reads |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I work in a supermarket. The elderly customers have enough trouble hearing me from behind the screen, without the masks making it worse. I also have a deaf customer who lip reads"
I'd say behind a screen on a till should be ok...oh try and learn sign language for that 1 customer eh... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I work in a supermarket. The elderly customers have enough trouble hearing me from behind the screen, without the masks making it worse. I also have a deaf customer who lip reads
I'd say behind a screen on a till should be ok...oh try and learn sign language for that 1 customer eh..."
I have already learnt some |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I work in a supermarket. The elderly customers have enough trouble hearing me from behind the screen, without the masks making it worse. I also have a deaf customer who lip reads
I'd say behind a screen on a till should be ok...oh try and learn sign language for that 1 customer eh...
I have already learnt some"
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"I am glad that it is being made mandatory in shops, but am also dreading it as there seem to be a hell of a lot of people out there who become easily agressive when asked to consider other peoples health."
Explain to the aggressive people about the possibility of them being on a ventilator in a hospital! Trust me they will shut their mouths then! |
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Not read entire thread so might have been covered, if staff are on shop floor, ie interacting directly with customers they will need to wear a mask, if on tills (behind screens) or only mixing with colleagues they will not. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Not read entire thread so might have been covered, if staff are on shop floor, ie interacting directly with customers they will need to wear a mask, if on tills (behind screens) or only mixing with colleagues they will not."
Is that according to your boss or government guidelines? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I would worry a bit about making staff wear the cloth masks for a whole shift, I need to read up a bit of science on it but know they get filled with warm moisture after not very long, to me that seems more like a sponge that is going to soak up every germ going right to your mouth. I am conflicted on them really, and reckon just distancing is a better option, but Im not a scientist |
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By *xycpl699Couple
over a year ago
kilmarnock |
"I am glad that it is being made mandatory in shops, but am also dreading it as there seem to be a hell of a lot of people out there who become easily agressive when asked to consider other peoples health."
what about there health some people have mental health problems so can't wear a mask.hollie
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I am glad that it is being made mandatory in shops, but am also dreading it as there seem to be a hell of a lot of people out there who become easily agressive when asked to consider other peoples health. what about there health some people have mental health problems so can't wear a mask.hollie "
They would be exempt for that reason.
It's the ones who can wear them but just dont want to, that gets me... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Just watched a video on fab. It appears to be a dogging couple paying in the woods. One of the gentleman callers is gaging sex with a lady earring gloves and a mask! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I own a shop. I have one member of staff. When the lockdown was announced we opted to stay operational as we were 'on the list'. We wore gloves but when the supply dried up we just switched to hand sanitizer. At no point did we close our doors, at no point did we turn customers away. We tried wearing masks but they made answering the phone and talking to customers awkward. We opted for social distancing and created a barrier to keep the customers 2m away. Problem is we constantly have to bend or break that rule to take payments (card and cash). We've gone through some hand sanitizer 
Now, three months later, as things appear to be subsiding, Batty Boris and his advisors tell us we have to wear masks that only reduce the risk not stop it. I'm fine wearing a mask when going to the local shops out of respect for the other shop staff, don't have issues with that at all but i'm not going to make my staff wear one all day. I also have no intention of stopping customers entering my premises, mask or no mask. They have learned not to violate our space, we do the best we can to stick to the guidelines, keep each other safe. Sometimes its a carefully considered and calculated risk. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Shop workers don't have to wear face masks in their shop, only the customers.
However, once the shop workers become shoppers then the same rules apply.
UKgov will backtrack on masks once Hypoxia & Anosmis start turning up in significant No's.
But we'll have to wait for that. |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"Shop workers don't have to wear face masks in their shop, only the customers.
However, once the shop workers become shoppers then the same rules apply.
UKgov will backtrack on masks once Hypoxia & Anosmis start turning up in significant No's.
But we'll have to wait for that."
That's interesting never heard of those, just done a Google |
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
Barbados |
"Corona is so intelligent it can differentiate between a shopper and a shop worker,also a shop and an office, also a shop and a bar, anyone see the problem here,
The whole shop mask thing is a complete farce.
People who don't understand or don't want to understand variations in policies - the objective is to avoid potential exposure and limit spread while allowing for life to continue with some normalcy or comfort. You can't drink and eat through a face covering so you either keep bars& restaurants closed or waive the face covering rule - but there are other measures in place. In the office environment you come in direct contact with the same few dozen coworkers everyday (also most offices are still closed/staggered returns), whereas in retail you can go through hundreds and thousands of customers in a week.
The aim of these policies is not for an aseptic environment, it is calculating risk and damage limitation.
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This.
James O'Brien has a fantastic description that I think applies to some people: "the furiously hard of thinking".
For some reason people can't see beyond all or nothing. They are at the same time saying "life must continue" yet also unwilling to entertain the thought that that might involve some kind of compromise for risk management. And that no rule is every going to be perfect.
If some rule or strategy doesn't 100% fit every usecase in their mind then the whole thing is a sham.
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By *oi_LucyCouple
over a year ago
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"Shop workers don't have to wear face masks in their shop, only the customers.
However, once the shop workers become shoppers then the same rules apply.
UKgov will backtrack on masks once Hypoxia & Anosmis start turning up in significant No's.
But we'll have to wait for that."
Hypoxia won't start showing up in significant numbers. As masks don't cause hypoxia. But you knew that.
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I feel sorry for one of my colleagues......postie who’s route is the city centre. He’ll be spending 5 hours a day going from shop to shop delivering mail and has to wear a face covering. He’s not exempt like the staff in the shops, he has to follow the same rules as a customer. It’s tough enough walking 12 miles a day while carrying a 10kg pouch but add in a face covering and it’ll be absolutely hell for him! |
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over a year ago
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"I feel sorry for one of my colleagues......postie who’s route is the city centre. He’ll be spending 5 hours a day going from shop to shop delivering mail and has to wear a face covering. He’s not exempt like the staff in the shops, he has to follow the same rules as a customer. It’s tough enough walking 12 miles a day while carrying a 10kg pouch but add in a face covering and it’ll be absolutely hell for him! "
I have worked in the building trade years back and have removed many chimney breasts from street houses and it was bloody hard work. But when you seen the sooty black outer of the mask...then the lily white inner I was glad of a mask and didn't think once about not wearing one...so please dont tell me about 10kg of weight to belittle the wearing of a mask. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Shop workers don't have to wear face masks in their shop, only the customers.
However, once the shop workers become shoppers then the same rules apply.
UKgov will backtrack on masks once Hypoxia & Anosmis start turning up in significant No's.
But we'll have to wait for that."
Is it a problem in the Far East where mask wearing has been common practice for decades. |
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over a year ago
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"I feel sorry for one of my colleagues......postie who’s route is the city centre. He’ll be spending 5 hours a day going from shop to shop delivering mail and has to wear a face covering. He’s not exempt like the staff in the shops, he has to follow the same rules as a customer. It’s tough enough walking 12 miles a day while carrying a 10kg pouch but add in a face covering and it’ll be absolutely hell for him!
I have worked in the building trade years back and have removed many chimney breasts from street houses and it was bloody hard work. But when you seen the sooty black outer of the mask...then the lily white inner I was glad of a mask and didn't think once about not wearing one...so please dont tell me about 10kg of weight to belittle the wearing of a mask."
Oh and just to add when it came to plastering them up....the bags of plaster we had to haul about came in 8st bags. Yup 50kg ...not the 25kg of today... |
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"I feel sorry for one of my colleagues......postie who’s route is the city centre. He’ll be spending 5 hours a day going from shop to shop delivering mail and has to wear a face covering. He’s not exempt like the staff in the shops, he has to follow the same rules as a customer. It’s tough enough walking 12 miles a day while carrying a 10kg pouch but add in a face covering and it’ll be absolutely hell for him!
I have worked in the building trade years back and have removed many chimney breasts from street houses and it was bloody hard work. But when you seen the sooty black outer of the mask...then the lily white inner I was glad of a mask and didn't think once about not wearing one...so please dont tell me about 10kg of weight to belittle the wearing of a mask.
Oh and just to add when it came to plastering them up....the bags of plaster we had to haul about came in 8st bags. Yup 50kg ...not the 25kg of today..."
Good for you, I look forward to seeing the photos of you doing it in your mask |
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"If i go into a shop as a customer I am there for maybe 25 minutes at most, if i am at work i am there for 9 hours at a time, sorry but i am not wearing a mask for 9 hours !
I am keeping 2 metres away from customers (at least) and on the tills i am behind a screen.
The idea of masks in shops is so that they can relax / scrap the 2 metre rule - really !!!!
Even in a mask, and if i have to wear one it will be against all my wishes - there will still be NOBODY getting within 2 metres of me anywhere ! "
I've been told by a customer I will need to wear a mask so they don't have to. It's over 30°, I'm here between 7 and 12 hours, the only one working and I'm asthmatic, a mask will surely help. Please leave was my reply. |
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
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"I work in a shop, we're still waiting to hear the companies stance on whether we will have to wear one.
I think it should be up to the individual to choose which has been the case until now.
If it's busy I'll wear one and still keep my distance. If it's not I won't but I will very much appreciate it when the customers do. There's 10 of us at the most in at any one time atm, and potentially 100's of customers throughout the day.
But if you are a customer it's not a choice , you say only 10 of you hundreds of customers,as I take it the mask is to protect others not the wearer, so my question is infected shop worker not wearing mask could infect more, 1 customer 25 minutes in shop maybe contact 10 other customers 1 shop worker 9 hours in shop maybe in contact with 100 customers ?
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Well no because the customer will be wearing a mask. |
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
Northampton Somewhere |
"If i go into a shop as a customer I am there for maybe 25 minutes at most, if i am at work i am there for 9 hours at a time, sorry but i am not wearing a mask for 9 hours !
I am keeping 2 metres away from customers (at least) and on the tills i am behind a screen.
The idea of masks in shops is so that they can relax / scrap the 2 metre rule - really !!!!
Even in a mask, and if i have to wear one it will be against all my wishes - there will still be NOBODY getting within 2 metres of me anywhere !
I've been told by a customer I will need to wear a mask so they don't have to. It's over 30°, I'm here between 7 and 12 hours, the only one working and I'm asthmatic, a mask will surely help. Please leave was my reply."
Good for you. Sometimes the customer is not right!!
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I feel sorry for one of my colleagues......postie who’s route is the city centre. He’ll be spending 5 hours a day going from shop to shop delivering mail and has to wear a face covering. He’s not exempt like the staff in the shops, he has to follow the same rules as a customer. It’s tough enough walking 12 miles a day while carrying a 10kg pouch but add in a face covering and it’ll be absolutely hell for him!
I have worked in the building trade years back and have removed many chimney breasts from street houses and it was bloody hard work. But when you seen the sooty black outer of the mask...then the lily white inner I was glad of a mask and didn't think once about not wearing one...so please dont tell me about 10kg of weight to belittle the wearing of a mask.
Oh and just to add when it came to plastering them up....the bags of plaster we had to haul about came in 8st bags. Yup 50kg ...not the 25kg of today...
Good for you, I look forward to seeing the photos of you doing it in your mask "
I said in past tense
All builders merchants still sell masks to people who are still working in the trade, mostly self employed people who know the benefits of a mask...but hayho you keep on thinking it's a fate worse then death wearing one eh |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"I feel sorry for one of my colleagues......postie who’s route is the city centre. He’ll be spending 5 hours a day going from shop to shop delivering mail and has to wear a face covering. He’s not exempt like the staff in the shops, he has to follow the same rules as a customer. It’s tough enough walking 12 miles a day while carrying a 10kg pouch but add in a face covering and it’ll be absolutely hell for him!
I have worked in the building trade years back and have removed many chimney breasts from street houses and it was bloody hard work. But when you seen the sooty black outer of the mask...then the lily white inner I was glad of a mask and didn't think once about not wearing one...so please dont tell me about 10kg of weight to belittle the wearing of a mask.
Oh and just to add when it came to plastering them up....the bags of plaster we had to haul about came in 8st bags. Yup 50kg ...not the 25kg of today..."
ooooo i remember those 50kg bags an absolute fucker.not done the chimmenys but have taken down a few old style ceilings with the wooden slats. that was a killer even with a mask on |
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over a year ago
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"I feel sorry for one of my colleagues......postie who’s route is the city centre. He’ll be spending 5 hours a day going from shop to shop delivering mail and has to wear a face covering. He’s not exempt like the staff in the shops, he has to follow the same rules as a customer. It’s tough enough walking 12 miles a day while carrying a 10kg pouch but add in a face covering and it’ll be absolutely hell for him!
I have worked in the building trade years back and have removed many chimney breasts from street houses and it was bloody hard work. But when you seen the sooty black outer of the mask...then the lily white inner I was glad of a mask and didn't think once about not wearing one...so please dont tell me about 10kg of weight to belittle the wearing of a mask.
Oh and just to add when it came to plastering them up....the bags of plaster we had to haul about came in 8st bags. Yup 50kg ...not the 25kg of today...
ooooo i remember those 50kg bags an absolute fucker.not done the chimmenys but have taken down a few old style ceilings with the wooden slats. that was a killer even with a mask on"
Yep they were...overbearing them was the best solution with them feckers |
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over a year ago
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"I feel sorry for one of my colleagues......postie who’s route is the city centre. He’ll be spending 5 hours a day going from shop to shop delivering mail and has to wear a face covering. He’s not exempt like the staff in the shops, he has to follow the same rules as a customer. It’s tough enough walking 12 miles a day while carrying a 10kg pouch but add in a face covering and it’ll be absolutely hell for him!
I have worked in the building trade years back and have removed many chimney breasts from street houses and it was bloody hard work. But when you seen the sooty black outer of the mask...then the lily white inner I was glad of a mask and didn't think once about not wearing one...so please dont tell me about 10kg of weight to belittle the wearing of a mask.
Oh and just to add when it came to plastering them up....the bags of plaster we had to haul about came in 8st bags. Yup 50kg ...not the 25kg of today...
ooooo i remember those 50kg bags an absolute fucker.not done the chimmenys but have taken down a few old style ceilings with the wooden slats. that was a killer even with a mask on
Yep they were...overbearing them was the best solution with them feckers "
Haha the roles I carry up ladders are 75kg
When I joined the company 10 year ago they said there is no manual lifting here.
It's all mechanical.
That was a big fat lie lol
Good job I am built for it. |
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By *J647Couple
over a year ago
Daventry |
"I work in a shop, we're still waiting to hear the companies stance on whether we will have to wear one.
I think it should be up to the individual to choose which has been the case until now.
If it's busy I'll wear one and still keep my distance. If it's not I won't but I will very much appreciate it when the customers do. There's 10 of us at the most in at any one time atm, and potentially 100's of customers throughout the day.
But if you are a customer it's not a choice , you say only 10 of you hundreds of customers,as I take it the mask is to protect others not the wearer, so my question is infected shop worker not wearing mask could infect more, 1 customer 25 minutes in shop maybe contact 10 other customers 1 shop worker 9 hours in shop maybe in contact with 100 customers ?
Well no because the customer will be wearing a mask."
But we are be told wearing a mask is to protect others not the wearer ( you protect me I protect you) so the shelf stacker not wearing a mask is not protecting shoppers, one rule for all |
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over a year ago
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"I feel sorry for one of my colleagues......postie who’s route is the city centre. He’ll be spending 5 hours a day going from shop to shop delivering mail and has to wear a face covering. He’s not exempt like the staff in the shops, he has to follow the same rules as a customer. It’s tough enough walking 12 miles a day while carrying a 10kg pouch but add in a face covering and it’ll be absolutely hell for him!
I have worked in the building trade years back and have removed many chimney breasts from street houses and it was bloody hard work. But when you seen the sooty black outer of the mask...then the lily white inner I was glad of a mask and didn't think once about not wearing one...so please dont tell me about 10kg of weight to belittle the wearing of a mask.
Oh and just to add when it came to plastering them up....the bags of plaster we had to haul about came in 8st bags. Yup 50kg ...not the 25kg of today...
ooooo i remember those 50kg bags an absolute fucker.not done the chimmenys but have taken down a few old style ceilings with the wooden slats. that was a killer even with a mask on
Yep they were...overbearing them was the best solution with them feckers "
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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago
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Yesterday was my truly first day of wearing one, and I will admit I hated it! Add in that parents were allowing their children to just run wild in the shop was unbelievable, it did not make a comfortable situation in the slightest 
Then I had the opportunity to wear one of the blacks masks that the shop assistants seemed to wearing yesterday, and I will admit, they were much better and gave you room to actually speak, it seems it is just trial and error at this point and whatever works for you. |
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over a year ago
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I work for tesco and we have been told that we can't refuse entry if someone isn't wearing a mask as it puts us as staff at risk of verbal and physical abuse.
I may as well put up a notice that says..please wear a mask in our shop...although it doesn't actually matter as we aren't allowed to stop you if you don't have one any way... |
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I find in my personal experience whilst working. It's entirely upto the company and the individuals. Some companies don't and will have barriers up or facemask. I think most have either or... Simply for safety of staff. However like anything some people won't care either way. My company made it compulsory to wear masks or face shields during this time.
As for people with asthma that someone mentioned above. Our staff that classed as high risk because of asthma and other medical conditions aren't allowed back. But we do also have the face shields because glasses steaming up etc and we found most customers were taking of masks to talk to us anyhow so. Face shields felt better protection "
On the flip side, you see 60+ people a day, if you have COVID, you can potentially be infecting a lot of people. |
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"Hello
I’ve recently noticed that shop assistants aren’t wearing masks but a lot more public are (before the rule comes into place).
Whether the publics numbers increase is still debatable.
I googled and found out that retail assistants don’t need to wear masks!
Erm? Why not?
Does anyone work in a shop? Can you please argue me your reasoning so I feel happier? As right now it doesn’t make sense to me
Thanks
X"
Hi - I work in retail. The environment I work in is already very warm - uncomfortably warm at times. I tried wearing a mask - but my face got so hot and sweaty it kept slipping down my nose - and my glasses steamed up. I work on a till behind a screen and I’m required to constantly interact with customers. That’s rather difficult to do if both parties are wearing a mask and there’s a Perspex screen between you!
On the rare occasions I go out into the store proper then I’ll probably wear a mask.
There’s a big difference between wearing a mask for 30 mins when you choose to go shopping and having to wear one all day in an already very warm environment. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
Honestly, I think some of you complain just for the sake of complaining.
It's quite simply a case of, if the majority wear a mask, more people are protected, most shops now have strict hygiene routines for their staff, most of whom stay in the store for their entire shift, have constant access to handwashing facilities and anti bacterial hand gel and are more likely to be behind perspex or are more aware of the social distancing guidelines.
Why not just do the responsible thing and put a mask on without having to dig into all the nitty gritty of it? If it helps save lives and get things back to normal, we should all be doing it. |
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I meant to say a well known grocery retailer is saying wearing masks on the shop floor is compulsory. This is typical of the sort of thing that is going on. The new guidelines specifically state that shop staff do not have to wear a mask. Mrs N is not at all happy about it but what can she do.
It will take a brave employee to stand up to them and say this is not what the guidelines say and become a target for disciplinary action etc etc. Logically shop assistants should not have to wear masks as they are far less of a risk. Customers are very numerous in a grocery shop and retail assistants are not. They are constantly in and out of the warehouse part and the constant fiddling around with their mask is self defeating.
It is a really bad day for democracy and workers rights. |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"It will be like public transport some will wear masks but the majority won’t , if only everyone did this virus would be dead sooner "
I was surprised at the amount of people who wore them today. It will stop me from browsing in shops, like I used to and possibly buying something.
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"Honestly, I think some of you complain just for the sake of complaining.
It's quite simply a case of, if the majority wear a mask, more people are protected, most shops now have strict hygiene routines for their staff, most of whom stay in the store for their entire shift, have constant access to handwashing facilities and anti bacterial hand gel and are more likely to be behind perspex or are more aware of the social distancing guidelines.
Why not just do the responsible thing and put a mask on without having to dig into all the nitty gritty of it? If it helps save lives and get things back to normal, we should all be doing it."
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"I meant to say a well known grocery retailer is saying wearing masks on the shop floor is compulsory. This is typical of the sort of thing that is going on. The new guidelines specifically state that shop staff do not have to wear a mask. Mrs N is not at all happy about it but what can she do.
It will take a brave employee to stand up to them and say this is not what the guidelines say and become a target for disciplinary action etc etc. Logically shop assistants should not have to wear masks as they are far less of a risk. Customers are very numerous in a grocery shop and retail assistants are not. They are constantly in and out of the warehouse part and the constant fiddling around with their mask is self defeating.
It is a really bad day for democracy and workers rights."
So what if you really don't want to wear a mask and your employer disciplines you for it in defiance of government policy that states that shop assistants do not have to wear a mask. Persistent defiance I suppose could eventually end in dismissal so my question is would you be able to claim for unfair dismissal. This needs testing by somebody. Mrs N definitely wont be testing it as like me I cannot be arsed but hypothetically what do you think the outcome of such a tribunal ? |
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Employers can make staff wear uniforms, there is no law that says that they have to!
They will make it part of your conditions of employment, like it, accept it or leave.
We have already been told we WILL wear masks, although we have also been told that we cannot challenge customers who don't.
The reason .... they spend money and the bosses dont want to upset the fucking idiots !
I am sure that shoppers will be policed more that the stupid fucking idiots that gathered at Elland Road and Anfield over this week.
The FA should charge the clubs with failing to control their fans, deduct points and fine them, then see how the fans like it.
One rule for the law abiding (mainly) and one law for idiots !
Pick on the easy targets, the shop staff who have to lift heavy items wearing a mask for 9 hours !
For the record i will wear one when i go into another shop, I will not wear one at work, and they can discipline me as they wish ! (or try to)
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
Some do, Morrison’s do from tomorrow and for others it’s optional, staff can if they choose.
Had a haircut today , Syrian , Turkish , Iraqi Barber’s are not wearing masks even in city centres but English barbers are ? |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
"I meant to say a well known grocery retailer is saying wearing masks on the shop floor is compulsory. This is typical of the sort of thing that is going on. The new guidelines specifically state that shop staff do not have to wear a mask. Mrs N is not at all happy about it but what can she do.
It will take a brave employee to stand up to them and say this is not what the guidelines say and become a target for disciplinary action etc etc. Logically shop assistants should not have to wear masks as they are far less of a risk. Customers are very numerous in a grocery shop and retail assistants are not. They are constantly in and out of the warehouse part and the constant fiddling around with their mask is self defeating.
It is a really bad day for democracy and workers rights.
So what if you really don't want to wear a mask and your employer disciplines you for it in defiance of government policy that states that shop assistants do not have to wear a mask. Persistent defiance I suppose could eventually end in dismissal so my question is would you be able to claim for unfair dismissal. This needs testing by somebody. Mrs N definitely wont be testing it as like me I cannot be arsed but hypothetically what do you think the outcome of such a tribunal ?"
It’s a good question, you would probably win for constructive dismissal as you would be asked to go home and not return without a mask yet your contract or the law say different |
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"yea but you breath over the goods you fill the shelfs with if you stock without a mask. If its good for the public it must also be needed for those handling goods for sale."
They are allowed to take their masks off in the warehouse so breath over the goods anyway. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"I meant to say a well known grocery retailer is saying wearing masks on the shop floor is compulsory. This is typical of the sort of thing that is going on. The new guidelines specifically state that shop staff do not have to wear a mask. Mrs N is not at all happy about it but what can she do.
It will take a brave employee to stand up to them and say this is not what the guidelines say and become a target for disciplinary action etc etc. Logically shop assistants should not have to wear masks as they are far less of a risk. Customers are very numerous in a grocery shop and retail assistants are not. They are constantly in and out of the warehouse part and the constant fiddling around with their mask is self defeating.
It is a really bad day for democracy and workers rights.
So what if you really don't want to wear a mask and your employer disciplines you for it in defiance of government policy that states that shop assistants do not have to wear a mask. Persistent defiance I suppose could eventually end in dismissal so my question is would you be able to claim for unfair dismissal. This needs testing by somebody. Mrs N definitely wont be testing it as like me I cannot be arsed but hypothetically what do you think the outcome of such a tribunal ?
It’s a good question, you would probably win for constructive dismissal as you would be asked to go home and not return without a mask yet your contract or the law say different "
Just because the government say shop workers don't have to wear a mask, that doesn't mean the employer can't request it. |
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"I meant to say a well known grocery retailer is saying wearing masks on the shop floor is compulsory. This is typical of the sort of thing that is going on. The new guidelines specifically state that shop staff do not have to wear a mask. Mrs N is not at all happy about it but what can she do.
It will take a brave employee to stand up to them and say this is not what the guidelines say and become a target for disciplinary action etc etc. Logically shop assistants should not have to wear masks as they are far less of a risk. Customers are very numerous in a grocery shop and retail assistants are not. They are constantly in and out of the warehouse part and the constant fiddling around with their mask is self defeating.
It is a really bad day for democracy and workers rights.
So what if you really don't want to wear a mask and your employer disciplines you for it in defiance of government policy that states that shop assistants do not have to wear a mask. Persistent defiance I suppose could eventually end in dismissal so my question is would you be able to claim for unfair dismissal. This needs testing by somebody. Mrs N definitely wont be testing it as like me I cannot be arsed but hypothetically what do you think the outcome of such a tribunal ?
It’s a good question, you would probably win for constructive dismissal as you would be asked to go home and not return without a mask yet your contract or the law say different "
Yes I thought that. There is scope here for some brave soul to test this. I wonder what USDAW think about it ?
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Some poor sod in the supermarket will get the job of cleaning out all the revolting litter from the shopping trolleys caused when Wayne and Waynetta slob do their weekly shop. All sorts of grot turn up in trolleys, usually discarded gloves and masks which people leave in the trolley because they think it's the job of the trolley collector to clean up their shit.
He will be at far more at risk of you getting it than you from your weekly aubergine fix. |
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"Some poor sod in the supermarket will get the job of cleaning out all the revolting litter from the shopping trolleys caused when Wayne and Waynetta slob do their weekly shop. All sorts of grot turn up in trolleys, usually discarded gloves and masks which people leave in the trolley because they think it's the job of the trolley collector to clean up their shit.
He will be at far more at risk of you getting it than you from your weekly aubergine fix."
Yep, but remember retail staff don't matter !!!
Employers don't give a shit about us and customers treat us like shit all the time, i am sick of asking people to step back and not get in my face.
Spoke to one lady yesterday and reminded her about social distancing and she said - and i quote
'i have not been near anyone else, only the staff' !!!!!!!
Needless to say the conversation ended there and i walked away ! |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"Some poor sod in the supermarket will get the job of cleaning out all the revolting litter from the shopping trolleys caused when Wayne and Waynetta slob do their weekly shop. All sorts of grot turn up in trolleys, usually discarded gloves and masks which people leave in the trolley because they think it's the job of the trolley collector to clean up their shit.
He will be at far more at risk of you getting it than you from your weekly aubergine fix."
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
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"Some poor sod in the supermarket will get the job of cleaning out all the revolting litter from the shopping trolleys caused when Wayne and Waynetta slob do their weekly shop. All sorts of grot turn up in trolleys, usually discarded gloves and masks which people leave in the trolley because they think it's the job of the trolley collector to clean up their shit.
He will be at far more at risk of you getting it than you from your weekly aubergine fix.
Yep, but remember retail staff don't matter !!!
Employers don't give a shit about us and customers treat us like shit all the time, i am sick of asking people to step back and not get in my face.
Spoke to one lady yesterday and reminded her about social distancing and she said - and i quote
'i have not been near anyone else, only the staff' !!!!!!!
Needless to say the conversation ended there and i walked away ! "
As a customer I definitely do not treat shop staff like shit, I treat them with the respect they give me.. |
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"Some poor sod in the supermarket will get the job of cleaning out all the revolting litter from the shopping trolleys caused when Wayne and Waynetta slob do their weekly shop. All sorts of grot turn up in trolleys, usually discarded gloves and masks which people leave in the trolley because they think it's the job of the trolley collector to clean up their shit.
He will be at far more at risk of you getting it than you from your weekly aubergine fix.
Yep, but remember retail staff don't matter !!!
Employers don't give a shit about us and customers treat us like shit all the time, i am sick of asking people to step back and not get in my face.
Spoke to one lady yesterday and reminded her about social distancing and she said - and i quote
'i have not been near anyone else, only the staff' !!!!!!!
Needless to say the conversation ended there and i walked away !
As a customer I definitely do not treat shop staff like shit, I treat them with the respect they give me.."
Yes my apologies, I suppose I should have said SOME customers, because some of mine are really good.
I criticise people for stereotyping all the time and now I have done it; and I do honestly apologise to all the nice decent respectful customers of all retail outlets.
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
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"Some poor sod in the supermarket will get the job of cleaning out all the revolting litter from the shopping trolleys caused when Wayne and Waynetta slob do their weekly shop. All sorts of grot turn up in trolleys, usually discarded gloves and masks which people leave in the trolley because they think it's the job of the trolley collector to clean up their shit.
He will be at far more at risk of you getting it than you from your weekly aubergine fix.
Yep, but remember retail staff don't matter !!!
Employers don't give a shit about us and customers treat us like shit all the time, i am sick of asking people to step back and not get in my face.
Spoke to one lady yesterday and reminded her about social distancing and she said - and i quote
'i have not been near anyone else, only the staff' !!!!!!!
Needless to say the conversation ended there and i walked away !
As a customer I definitely do not treat shop staff like shit, I treat them with the respect they give me..
Yes my apologies, I suppose I should have said SOME customers, because some of mine are really good.
I criticise people for stereotyping all the time and now I have done it; and I do honestly apologise to all the nice decent respectful customers of all retail outlets.
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Some people need to take a step back and realise we are in a worldwide pandemic. It's not some sort of mad program of victimisation if individuals.
Yes infection rates have dropped but that's because we shut down most of the UK for 4 months.
Now we are getting back to normal and there's a very good chance that as we do that and as summer comes to an end that infections will rise again, masks cannot prevent that but they can help reduce the number of people that an infected person can infect, simply by a reduction in the distance that the virus infested breath or cough of an infected person travels.
Masks don't protect the wearer, not even the legendary N95 will do that.
It's not magic, it's not complicated, it's not difficult and it probably won't last forever.
If masks were even 1% effective 400 people might not have died.
No doubt those refusing to comply with this very simple request will be the first to criticise the government when the r rate is 2 or more and hospitals are being over run.
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"Some poor sod in the supermarket will get the job of cleaning out all the revolting litter from the shopping trolleys caused when Wayne and Waynetta slob do their weekly shop. All sorts of grot turn up in trolleys, usually discarded gloves and masks which people leave in the trolley because they think it's the job of the trolley collector to clean up their shit.
He will be at far more at risk of you getting it than you from your weekly aubergine fix.
Yep, but remember retail staff don't matter !!!
Employers don't give a shit about us and customers treat us like shit all the time, i am sick of asking people to step back and not get in my face.
Spoke to one lady yesterday and reminded her about social distancing and she said - and i quote
'i have not been near anyone else, only the staff' !!!!!!!
Needless to say the conversation ended there and i walked away !
As a customer I definitely do not treat shop staff like shit, I treat them with the respect they give me..
Yes my apologies, I suppose I should have said SOME customers, because some of mine are really good.
I criticise people for stereotyping all the time and now I have done it; and I do honestly apologise to all the nice decent respectful customers of all retail outlets.
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p.s I wish you were one of my customers, in that orange skirt you could get as close as you wanted .... well in a few months !!! |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
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"Some poor sod in the supermarket will get the job of cleaning out all the revolting litter from the shopping trolleys caused when Wayne and Waynetta slob do their weekly shop. All sorts of grot turn up in trolleys, usually discarded gloves and masks which people leave in the trolley because they think it's the job of the trolley collector to clean up their shit.
He will be at far more at risk of you getting it than you from your weekly aubergine fix.
Yep, but remember retail staff don't matter !!!
Employers don't give a shit about us and customers treat us like shit all the time, i am sick of asking people to step back and not get in my face.
Spoke to one lady yesterday and reminded her about social distancing and she said - and i quote
'i have not been near anyone else, only the staff' !!!!!!!
Needless to say the conversation ended there and i walked away !
As a customer I definitely do not treat shop staff like shit, I treat them with the respect they give me..
Yes my apologies, I suppose I should have said SOME customers, because some of mine are really good.
I criticise people for stereotyping all the time and now I have done it; and I do honestly apologise to all the nice decent respectful customers of all retail outlets.
p.s I wish you were one of my customers, in that orange skirt you could get as close as you wanted .... well in a few months !!! "
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And for every person suffering "unfair" dismissal for not wearing a mask there will most likely be a queue of hundreds waiting to take your place while you wait on a court to possibly award you a few thousand quid and you've no job, good move. |
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I have no issues with laws and rules, what i have an issue with is the selective enforcement of those rules and laws.
i have to wear a mask, its not law, customers are not being forced to - but they have to by law.
why - because its easier for employers to force employees than it is to make customers wear one.
for me, at the door they are told wear a mask or don't come in.
anyone who cant wear one is maybe in a 'high risk group' and probably shouldn't be out and about anyway ! |
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"I meant to say a well known grocery retailer is saying wearing masks on the shop floor is compulsory. This is typical of the sort of thing that is going on. The new guidelines specifically state that shop staff do not have to wear a mask. Mrs N is not at all happy about it but what can she do.
It will take a brave employee to stand up to them and say this is not what the guidelines say and become a target for disciplinary action etc etc. Logically shop assistants should not have to wear masks as they are far less of a risk. Customers are very numerous in a grocery shop and retail assistants are not. They are constantly in and out of the warehouse part and the constant fiddling around with their mask is self defeating.
It is a really bad day for democracy and workers rights."
The employer is providing their employees with an extra piece of protection and it's undemocratic and an erosion of workers rights?
I don't think that's got a rats chance in hell of being treated seriously in a court.
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"I meant to say a well known grocery retailer is saying wearing masks on the shop floor is compulsory. This is typical of the sort of thing that is going on. The new guidelines specifically state that shop staff do not have to wear a mask. Mrs N is not at all happy about it but what can she do.
It will take a brave employee to stand up to them and say this is not what the guidelines say and become a target for disciplinary action etc etc. Logically shop assistants should not have to wear masks as they are far less of a risk. Customers are very numerous in a grocery shop and retail assistants are not. They are constantly in and out of the warehouse part and the constant fiddling around with their mask is self defeating.
It is a really bad day for democracy and workers rights.
The employer is providing their employees with an extra piece of protection and it's undemocratic and an erosion of workers rights?
I don't think that's got a rats chance in hell of being treated seriously in a court.
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Actually shop assistants have a 65-75% higher chance of mortality from covid.
I work for a well known food retailer...more concerned about them saying we can't challenge customers who aren't wearing masks |
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I work for a well known clothing brand that gets very very busy.
It's up to the employers discretion as to what policy they choose to implement. We are behind screens but walk around the store often. We keep our mask on when near people or when walking about the place but put it under our chin when not busy. It helps with breathing, it can get quite warm as you move alot.
Everything gets wiped after each use, changing rooms are closed and trying clothes on is forbidden. All returned items get put separately and are cleaned.
Next seems to be the one taking the most precautions. |
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"Pickers will not be obliged to wear masks in supermarkets from 24th July but when they clock off and do their own shopping in the same store after work they must wear one. Covid19 is so clever it can tell if shopworkers are on duty or not. "
yes lol it also went on its summer holidays for 9 days after the announcement was made to wear masks |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"I meant to say a well known grocery retailer is saying wearing masks on the shop floor is compulsory. This is typical of the sort of thing that is going on. The new guidelines specifically state that shop staff do not have to wear a mask. Mrs N is not at all happy about it but what can she do.
It will take a brave employee to stand up to them and say this is not what the guidelines say and become a target for disciplinary action etc etc. Logically shop assistants should not have to wear masks as they are far less of a risk. Customers are very numerous in a grocery shop and retail assistants are not. They are constantly in and out of the warehouse part and the constant fiddling around with their mask is self defeating.
It is a really bad day for democracy and workers rights.
The employer is providing their employees with an extra piece of protection and it's undemocratic and an erosion of workers rights?
I don't think that's got a rats chance in hell of being treated seriously in a court.
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Indeed. |
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