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Is anyone who was in favour of the lockdown now
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
No shuld have been done sooner then we would have got out of it quicker with less damage to the economy.
Nlow e have to get people back to work and stop throwing money at them,we are spending far to much in helping people,got to get back to reality |
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By *.D.I.D.A.SMan
over a year ago
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No. It was definitely the right thing to do. It has just been mismanaged beyond belief and just turned into an utter cluster fuck of events. For a start lock down should have happened perhaps a week earlier and it should have been more regimented throughout instead of relying on 'commonsense'. Track and trace, care homes, Dominic Cummings, illogical staggered easing... These are just the main points I can think of which contributed to poor handling of the whole thing. |
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"No. It was definitely the right thing to do. It has just been mismanaged beyond belief and just turned into an utter cluster fuck of events. For a start lock down should have happened perhaps a week earlier and it should have been more regimented throughout instead of relying on 'commonsense'. Track and trace, care homes, Dominic Cummings, illogical staggered easing... These are just the main points I can think of which contributed to poor handling of the whole thing. "
Should have been clear set of rules to stop people interpreting the 'guidelines' and 'recommendations' to suit themselves. |
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"No. It was definitely the right thing to do. It has just been mismanaged beyond belief and just turned into an utter cluster fuck of events. For a start lock down should have happened perhaps a week earlier and it should have been more regimented throughout instead of relying on 'commonsense'. Track and trace, care homes, Dominic Cummings, illogical staggered easing... These are just the main points I can think of which contributed to poor handling of the whole thing.
Should have been clear set of rules to stop people interpreting the 'guidelines' and 'recommendations' to suit themselves."
The laws were there, some people considered themselves above the law
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By *nSeeNMan
over a year ago
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"having doubts about whether it was the right thing to do - given the early signs we are seeing of the destruction that has been caused to the economy?"
No, I might struggle a bit for a while but at least I'm lucky enough to have my friends and family still around. |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"No. It was definitely the right thing to do. It has just been mismanaged beyond belief and just turned into an utter cluster fuck of events. For a start lock down should have happened perhaps a week earlier and it should have been more regimented throughout instead of relying on 'commonsense'. Track and trace, care homes, Dominic Cummings, illogical staggered easing... These are just the main points I can think of which contributed to poor handling of the whole thing.
Should have been clear set of rules to stop people interpreting the 'guidelines' and 'recommendations' to suit themselves.
The laws were there, some people considered themselves above the law
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If a law is not enforced it is not a law the whole thing was a farce to be honest luckily many law abiding people here.I feel there are also many socialogical reasons that it was not worse here nothing to do with the government. |
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"No shuld have been done sooner then we would have got out of it quicker with less damage to the economy.
Nlow e have to get people back to work and stop throwing money at them,we are spending far to much in helping people,got to get back to reality"
When should we have locked down and how would it have got us out of lockdown earlier the economy would still be down the toilet look at the rest of the world they in the same mess we and they locked down before we did and they still fucked really
Reality is no matter when we locked down it was gonna be wrong time for it  |
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We had to lockdown and achieve two objectives: Keep the number of deaths down and minimise economic damage.
It looks like we failed one and yet to feel the full effects for failing the other.
The initial lack of decisive action by the government cost us and led to a number of cock-ups trying to keep up having lost valuable time.
No matter how you spin it, it was a key factor to how this lockdown panned out. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"having doubts about whether it was the right thing to do - given the early signs we are seeing of the destruction that has been caused to the economy?"
Absolutely not, if you had of spent the first 6 weeks in the NHS you wouldn’t say that. We where stretched very thin, even simple things like hospitals infrastructure where taken to their limits. Without lockdown the situation would have been an absolute disaster.
We should have done it much earlier, we should have done elements differently and probably exited in a different fashion but the decision to lockdown was right.
Regardless of lockdown the economy would have been hit hard, it’s a global issue... just look at NZ, a near perfect lockdown and now a country free of the virus... but, a country with closed borders and a dependency on mass tourism which is no longer there. Their economy is absolutely shattered too. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The lock down did what is was designed to do, suppress the virus and protect the NHS from being overwhelmed.
You can argue that it should have come earlier which my have resulted in the loss of less lives, however I do think the death rate in alot of countries has been massively under stated, especially in India and South America.
I just hope lessons are learnt not only how to cope with a pandemic in the futire but to address alot of the inequalities in our society which I beleive is why we had higher death rates than our European neighbours.
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No. With the several choices that we had, I would have chosen an earlier and stricter lockdown, after the experiences in Italy etc, where rapid extensive spreading of the virus was seen to overwhelm the country.
A false dichotomy of economy or saving thousands of lives and potentially hundreds of thousands of people with permanent health disabilities or impairments, is myopic, at best.
The UK is not below third world country prosperity levels. It also has substantial assets through its scientific community. It can mobilise its resources to address the diverse challenges that it faces though needs effective leadership and decisions to do this.
It's seemed somewhat at odds with a country with a government with an overwhelming majority, with little or nothing stopping it from implementing smart decisions. Except, perhaps, themselves.
Earlier lockdown, coupled with other actions that could make a substantial impact, stopping exponential growth of a virus taking hold here, would have created a more rapid and immobilising block to the virus taking over everything. Economic impact could have been substantial but for a shorter period. Extensive, partial lockdown cultivated greater uncertainty in the markets, which is obviously negative.
It's easy to pick little glib statements to help to draw opinion, possibly divisive too. That's inane and aids nothing, except micro ego puffing. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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What I think is really is interesting is we've had similar number of cases to a number of countries which had ealry or stricter lockdowns but significantly more deaths.
So the question is why, have we had more cases than reported, do we have an inheritanlty less healthy population, have other countries under stated the deaths etc etc
I think lockdown is a blunt tool, effective in a way but you have to realise what a lockdown is. What are the other consequences, how many extra suicides, deaths from untreated diseases and conditions, domestic abuse etc etc, it OK saying lock down sooner or harder but it's not a simple decision remeber the lockdown meant people died without their family by their side, missed the birth of their child, lost thier job etc etc. I'm glad I wasn't the person making the decision..... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"having doubts about whether it was the right thing to do - given the early signs we are seeing of the destruction that has been caused to the economy?"
Not at all, should have been done sooner and with greater restriction. Fear is that we are now trying to come out too early which could lead to a further lockdown, even more deaths and totally destroy the economy. Awful Government, completely f*cked everything up. |
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I don't understand why some people believe the lockdown should have been more strictly enforced. The lockdown worked in doing what it was set out to do, namely reduce the infection rate and protected the NHS from being overwhelmed. What benefit would have been gained by have a more draconian lockdown? Absolutely none.
The question is surely not whether the lockdown has worked, it clearly has, but whether it was the best way to tackle the problem and whether the price of millions of people loosing their livelihoods was worth it to save 10s of thousands of lives. Currently most people believe it was but as more and more people actually do loose their livelihoods, more and more people are starting to question whether it really is.
Personally I believe that if more resource and effort was put into effective tracking and tracing, not just here in the UK but also around the world, we might never have needed full national lockdowns anywhere.
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"I don't understand why some people believe the lockdown should have been more strictly enforced. The lockdown worked in doing what it was set out to do, namely reduce the infection rate and protected the NHS from being overwhelmed. What benefit would have been gained by have a more draconian lockdown? Absolutely none.
The question is surely not whether the lockdown has worked, it clearly has, but whether it was the best way to tackle the problem and whether the price of millions of people loosing their livelihoods was worth it to save 10s of thousands of lives. Currently most people believe it was but as more and more people actually do loose their livelihoods, more and more people are starting to question whether it really is.
Personally I believe that if more resource and effort was put into effective tracking and tracing, not just here in the UK but also around the world, we might never have needed full national lockdowns anywhere.
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When there’s millions without jobs ,people start losing there houses , those in jobs having to pay greatly increased taxes ,high streets boarded up , and it goes on for years then let the question be asked |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Not at all. If an economy can't survive without putting people's lives at risk, theres a problem with the system.
No society should be putting profits before people. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No, it should of been done since day 1, its been good cos we have helped to heal the earth abit during the lockdown too and that was just within 2 weeks, we saw the animals taking over like never seen before, infact. I am in favour of a once a month lockdown every year |
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"Not at all. If an economy can't survive without putting people's lives at risk, theres a problem with the system.
No society should be putting profits before people."
When people loose their livelihoods their lives are also often at much greater risk too. The real choice is not lives or livelihoods but which lives and livelihoods, and who's paying with their life or livelihood to save someone else's. |
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"having doubts about whether it was the right thing to do - given the early signs we are seeing of the destruction that has been caused to the economy?"
Was lockdown right.? Absolutely, but should have done it sooner and harder. And then we could have got out of it sooner and better with less economic damage. We are an island ffs, the easiest of all land masses to close down.
The Balance now of economic recovery v covid deaths is in our hands as the govt (and I have defended them up to now) don't seem to know what the strategy is from one minute to the next... And all decisions now will be of more significance... I give you the 5G decision as one example |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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BBC news this lunchtime warns us 'to prepare for a difficult winter as cases spike' yet no lockdown will be enforced?
It seems like we are going round in circles  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think only the vulnerable or in contact with the vulnerable should have locked down, no one else.
I've worked all the way through this and I'm fine as would many other millions of people who were furloughed and still are. |
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By *etsome OP Man
over a year ago
birmingham |
I'm just not sure this virus (although nasty) was worth destroying the economy for. We could get a similar virus next year. This type of reaction only makes sense if you think covid-19 is a once in a lifetime virus
I also have my doubts about professor lockdown's model of how many would die without lockdown. The peak was before lockdown so I think it is too convenient to say the lockdown caused cases to drop |
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By *arksxMan
over a year ago
Leicester / London |
"having doubts about whether it was the right thing to do - given the early signs we are seeing of the destruction that has been caused to the economy?"
The economy keeps being referred to on here and in the media as if it's some mythical god in the sky.
People are the economy you and me. No people...no economy.
Those talking heads and CEOs saying open up the economy
Are actually saying hey..come expose your health and comeback and work for MY company and I'll give you a tiny silver of the profits.
Of course those at the bottom of the economic shit heap dont really have much of choice.
And just like a ponzi scheme...the great mound of shit is shaped like a pyramid the further you go into the sky |
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"I think only the vulnerable or in contact with the vulnerable should have locked down, no one else.
I've worked all the way through this and I'm fine as would many other millions of people who were furloughed and still are. "
It will be interesting in about years time if people’s opinions change , got a feeling most working people are going to have some tough years ahead |
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By *ilth500Man
over a year ago
Merseyside |
"I think only the vulnerable or in contact with the vulnerable should have locked down, no one else.
I've worked all the way through this and I'm fine as would many other millions of people who were furloughed and still are. "
i concur. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think only the vulnerable or in contact with the vulnerable should have locked down, no one else.
I've worked all the way through this and I'm fine as would many other millions of people who were furloughed and still are.
i concur. "
Just makes sense. Let us healthy ones keep the economy going, why lock healthy people away and kill businesses? Crazy stuff. |
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By *ilth500Man
over a year ago
Merseyside |
"BBC news this lunchtime warns us 'to prepare for a difficult winter as cases spike' yet no lockdown will be enforced?
It seems like we are going round in circles "
scaremongering at its finest.
death rates are dropping
infection rates are dropping
and no sign of any spike in the NHSdigital data EVEN after all the mass gatherings, packed beaches and everything being opened up. nothing!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No, it should of been done since day 1, its been good cos we have helped to heal the earth abit during the lockdown too and that was just within 2 weeks, we saw the animals taking over like never seen before, infact. I am in favour of a once a month lockdown every year "
I meant yes, it should of* |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I recall that Boris said at the start that it was a no win situation. Lockdown too soon, people don’t believe lockdown was necessary, leave it too late - should have done it sooner.
The problem was that no one ever understood the extent of contamination in the early days. We were focussing on the “patient zero” when as we are an open border nation we were already riddled with thousands of infections. Lots of new research on this topic. By the time people presented symptoms the infection rate was hundreds per day.
So yes if we’d locked down sooner it would have meant fewer deaths but at that point it was believed there were only a few infections and nobody would have accepted lockdown.
If you want a parallel look at the US. Their half attempt at lockdown reduced mobility by about 20% compared to 80% in the UK. Their infection rate is rising again in nearly all states and death rate has risen to 1000 a day again. The stock market is sliding and it’ll take years to recover. It’s hard in the UK but we’re not totally fucked like the US, Brazil, Mexico.....
Stats from Worldometer not interpreted by the media!
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"I don't understand why some people believe the lockdown should have been more strictly enforced. The lockdown worked in doing what it was set out to do, namely reduce the infection rate and protected the NHS from being overwhelmed. What benefit would have been gained by have a more draconian lockdown? Absolutely none.
The question is surely not whether the lockdown has worked, it clearly has, but whether it was the best way to tackle the problem and whether the price of millions of people loosing their livelihoods was worth it to save 10s of thousands of lives. Currently most people believe it was but as more and more people actually do loose their livelihoods, more and more people are starting to question whether it really is.
Personally I believe that if more resource and effort was put into effective tracking and tracing, not just here in the UK but also around the world, we might never have needed full national lockdowns anywhere.
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Bravo |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
London |
"I recall that Boris said at the start that it was a no win situation. Lockdown too soon, people don’t believe lockdown was necessary, leave it too late - should have done it sooner.
The problem was that no one ever understood the extent of contamination in the early days. We were focussing on the “patient zero” when as we are an open border nation we were already riddled with thousands of infections. Lots of new research on this topic. By the time people presented symptoms the infection rate was hundreds per day.
So yes if we’d locked down sooner it would have meant fewer deaths but at that point it was believed there were only a few infections and nobody would have accepted lockdown.
If you want a parallel look at the US. Their half attempt at lockdown reduced mobility by about 20% compared to 80% in the UK. Their infection rate is rising again in nearly all states and death rate has risen to 1000 a day again. The stock market is sliding and it’ll take years to recover. It’s hard in the UK but we’re not totally fucked like the US, Brazil, Mexico.....
Stats from Worldometer not interpreted by the media!
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Benjamin Franklin said the only 2 things certain in life are death and taxes.
The death rate has been below the 5year average for the 3weeks upto the 3rd July and is likely to continue to do so.
Mainly because most of those (but not all) who have passed away, were in their final months/year of their life anyway.
I'm not being heartless (my own mother passed away in May) but may sound a little cold and ruthless. I was all for the lockdown at first. Now with covid deaths below 100 a day, all deaths below the 5year average, it is time to stop worrying people to death (which is causing serious damage to peoples mental health) and let work, the economy and social life return as much as possible.
Obviously wash your hands, wear a mask if you feel vulnerable and keep physical contact down, as you would do if someone had a cold.
Otherwise, let's get on with it. Life is for the living.
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
London |
"BBC news this lunchtime warns us 'to prepare for a difficult winter as cases spike' yet no lockdown will be enforced?
It seems like we are going round in circles "
We will have to manage any potential winter spikes with local restrictions.
Also we have measures now in place which could prevent the numbers from rising up to the levels they were pre lock down i.e : hand washing, social distancing, wearing masks, track & trace....
So even if you do get a winter spike, it is unlikely to be serious enough to prompt a national lock down. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"BBC news this lunchtime warns us 'to prepare for a difficult winter as cases spike' yet no lockdown will be enforced?
It seems like we are going round in circles
scaremongering at its finest.
death rates are dropping
infection rates are dropping
and no sign of any spike in the NHSdigital data EVEN after all the mass gatherings, packed beaches and everything being opened up. nothing!!"
No intention of scaremongering, just quoting what I heard on the radio |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think only the vulnerable or in contact with the vulnerable should have locked down, no one else.
I've worked all the way through this and I'm fine as would many other millions of people who were furloughed and still are. It will be interesting in about years time if people’s opinions change , got a feeling most working people are going to have some tough years ahead "
My opnion about it is that it is all about the immune system and underlying conditions, so the better the immune system is the less symptoms you get, maibe just a headache that goes a way quick, vitamin d is the key too |
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By *ilth500Man
over a year ago
Merseyside |
"BBC news this lunchtime warns us 'to prepare for a difficult winter as cases spike' yet no lockdown will be enforced?
It seems like we are going round in circles
scaremongering at its finest.
death rates are dropping
infection rates are dropping
and no sign of any spike in the NHSdigital data EVEN after all the mass gatherings, packed beaches and everything being opened up. nothing!!
No intention of scaremongering, just quoting what I heard on the radio "
you mightnt have but the bbc definitely have that intention with that headline |
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The lockdown was the thing to do. The transmission rate was high in the UK so a lockdown was the right thing to do in this particular case.
If the transmission rate was lower then maybe the Government/SAGE could have looked at other options.
And if I'm honest I would rather the destruction caused to the economy to having to bury family or friends. Money cannot replace loved ones. |
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It was a clusterfuck.
There wasn't a lockdown, it was pathetic.
There should have been a total lockdown, not the shite our elected prick put in place. He even got COVID himself, so his rules and restrictions obviously worked very well |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"having doubts about whether it was the right thing to do - given the early signs we are seeing of the destruction that has been caused to the economy?"
No doubts whatsoever. I’m not putting the economy before people’s lives and nor should you. Fuck the economy and our obsession with wealth. |
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By *lan157Man
over a year ago
a village near Haywards Heath in East Sussex |
"having doubts about whether it was the right thing to do - given the early signs we are seeing of the destruction that has been caused to the economy?
No doubts whatsoever. I’m not putting the economy before people’s lives and nor should you. Fuck the economy and our obsession with wealth. "
Tell that to someone who has lost their job because their employer cannot get the business he business back to sufficient size and who will now have to lay off employees. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"having doubts about whether it was the right thing to do - given the early signs we are seeing of the destruction that has been caused to the economy?
No doubts whatsoever. I’m not putting the economy before people’s lives and nor should you. Fuck the economy and our obsession with wealth.
Tell that to someone who has lost their job because their employer cannot get the business he business back to sufficient size and who will now have to lay off employees. "
im in that boat will know by the end of the month wether im on the dole or not 50 out of 70 of us will be signing on.know at least a dozen who have lost there jobs.when there are a cpl of extra million unemployed think some people will change there minds about lockdown.im alteady looking for another job but u getting hundreds applying for the same job.can see lots of peeps losing there homes when they cant pay the mortgage..one of the pybs that re opened round here the other week has closed its doors already |
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By *eglieanCouple
over a year ago
Torbay |
If the lockdown had been followed,and people thought they were being g clever getting round it it various ways we m8ght not be in the shit we are now. As for the protests,what did some say ..shoulder to should we protest, it's more important than covid.. tell that to the people who have seen friends and family die in a horrible way. The crowd thinking it's funny to bate the police with parties. And the people on here that were still meeting up. All very clever,, wonder why we are in the shit? |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"having doubts about whether it was the right thing to do - given the early signs we are seeing of the destruction that has been caused to the economy?
No doubts whatsoever. I’m not putting the economy before people’s lives and nor should you. Fuck the economy and our obsession with wealth. "
its nit an obsession with wealth its peeps losing there jobs and not being able to pay there bills.wonder if you will feel the same if you have to live on 70 odd quid a week.i kniw im fucked if i dont get kept on.will know by end of july will report back and let you know hiw easy my life is without a job |
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By *ootykMan
over a year ago
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Wake up people , Its all a fix its all pretend the government is not you're friend ....They are controlling the masses with fear, Its all an illusion mired in confusion smoke and mirrors to redirect you're mind . |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I believe we should have gone in a lot sooner. As soon as Italy started to kick off we needed to close the borders then. Not have champion league games and the Cheltenham cup!! We would have come out sooner with less deaths and then been able to move onto a regional system like they are currently trying (but as usual fucking up). |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Wake up people , Its all a fix its all pretend the government is not you're friend ....They are controlling the masses with fear, Its all an illusion mired in confusion smoke and mirrors to redirect you're mind . "
Trolling really?
I personally know two people who have died from the virus so I don't appreciate your ignorance! |
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No one has had to deal with a pandemic previously...
An enquiry will establish what lessons are to be learnt..
Chances are this will not be the last pandemic..need to be better equipped and prepared for when the next one comes along... |
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"Wake up people , Its all a fix its all pretend the government is not you're friend ....They are controlling the masses with fear, Its all an illusion mired in confusion smoke and mirrors to redirect you're mind . "
remove you’re Tinfoil hat and ask yourself why what reason would governments around the world have to create this situation I can’t think of any tbh I’m sure you will enlighten me/ us to why
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Wake up people , Its all a fix its all pretend the government is not you're friend ....They are controlling the masses with fear, Its all an illusion mired in confusion smoke and mirrors to redirect you're mind . "
What do you think they are hiding? What is the reason for this world wide illusion? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Wake up people , Its all a fix its all pretend the government is not you're friend ....They are controlling the masses with fear, Its all an illusion mired in confusion smoke and mirrors to redirect you're mind .
Trolling really?
I personally know two people who have died from the virus so I don't appreciate your ignorance!"
If you are sensitive to others opinions, and I understand why you are, it might be better to steer clear of threads that are triggers for you.
You knowing people who have passed from CV doesn't make others points less valid |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"having doubts about whether it was the right thing to do - given the early signs we are seeing of the destruction that has been caused to the economy?
No doubts whatsoever. I’m not putting the economy before people’s lives and nor should you. Fuck the economy and our obsession with wealth. "
You mean like keeping a roof over your head or putting food on the table? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No, it should of been done since day 1, its been good cos we have helped to heal the earth abit during the lockdown too and that was just within 2 weeks, we saw the animals taking over like never seen before, infact. I am in favour of a once a month lockdown every year I meant yes, it should of*"
I meant no as I first said there |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"having doubts about whether it was the right thing to do - given the early signs we are seeing of the destruction that has been caused to the economy?"
any your almost 50k death toll could have looked more like 200-250k....
regrets.... not in the slightest!!!
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By *arksxMan
over a year ago
Leicester / London |
"9.3 million people’s wages being paid by the government (tax payer). Uk working population 32 million people.
Cost £123,000,000,000. (£123bn)
A long pay back coming, more Austerity and tax rises. "
Careful criticising sunak and his policies on here...apparently borris tax dodging boy wonder can do no wrong according some.
And his meal deal vouchers are going to save the leisure industry.
Or you could listen to him talk out his arse for 2 hours and have no understanding of current markets domestically and internationally. Suggesting bollocks like corporate debt is in a healthy place.
He got his arse spanked by every mp and most demonstrated they know even less about how our economy is run than him.
This isn't just the blind leading the blind, they are tone deaf too.
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It seems like people have forgotten the financial crash of 2008 already. Who paid for bankers mistakes then? Ordinary people.
Who's going to pay for government mistakes now? Ordinary people!
The current situation demonstrates how illusory the concept of 'the economy' is and how a supposedly robust free market needs huge subsidies to prop it up! |
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"Wake up people , Its all a fix its all pretend the government is not you're friend ....They are controlling the masses with fear, Its all an illusion mired in confusion smoke and mirrors to redirect you're mind . "
If you think it is a hoax, why not volunteer to try the vaccine. |
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If the UK had implemented lockdown a week earlier 10,000 lives would have been saved. If we had followed Greece's example and did it in early February we have replicate there success where only 200 died. |
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"If the UK had implemented lockdown a week earlier 10,000 lives would have been saved. If we had followed Greece's example and did it in early February we have replicate there success where only 200 died. "
And you know this for a fact do
You mr scientist
Sounds like complete and utter bollox to me
But Yr the expert judging by what you
Posted if we get a spike or 2nd wave in winter I’m sure the government will give you a call and ask what they should do next |
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By *ilth500Man
over a year ago
Merseyside |
"Wake up people , Its all a fix its all pretend the government is not you're friend ....They are controlling the masses with fear, Its all an illusion mired in confusion smoke and mirrors to redirect you're mind .
If you think it is a hoax, why not volunteer to try the vaccine."
volunteer for a hoax vaccine?? |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"If the UK had implemented lockdown a week earlier 10,000 lives would have been saved. If we had followed Greece's example and did it in early February we have replicate there success where only 200 died. "
Oh really? Who told you that? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Should’ve happened a lot earlier, 2/3 weeks earlier ! "
What and strand well over a million people overseas rather than 100,000 or so. Fantastic. That would have been a marvellous idea. What would happen when they all start trickling back in from countries with higher infection rates. or is it a question of tough luck. Your problem for actually having audacity to have a holiday before everyone knew how much bother this virus was going to cause.
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over a year ago
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"If the UK had implemented lockdown a week earlier 10,000 lives would have been saved. If we had followed Greece's example and did it in early February we have replicate there success where only 200 died. "
Did Greece really lock down in early February. Surely you are making this up ?
Even if this was true, Hypothetically what do you think Greece would have done if the pandemic had started in say early July. Would they have said " right all you orrible lot, time to go home. Greece is closed ???".
I imagine February or March would be an ideal time to close your borders in a place dependent on summer tourists. It's the best time to do it. |
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Perhaps it is time to re-evaluate our idea of an economy. Too many people make too much money from non-jobs. While essential workers are treated like second class citizens at worst or face govt inflicted pay cuts at best. How f***ed up is that. My big question is why the hell does society put up with it?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Wake up people , Its all a fix its all pretend the government is not you're friend ....They are controlling the masses with fear, Its all an illusion mired in confusion smoke and mirrors to redirect you're mind .
Trolling really?
I personally know two people who have died from the virus so I don't appreciate your ignorance!
If you are sensitive to others opinions, and I understand why you are, it might be better to steer clear of threads that are triggers for you.
You knowing people who have passed from CV doesn't make others points less valid"
Sorry I'm confused you actually think it's a fix? An illusion? A way to control the masses? How are those comments in anyway valid? |
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By *yn drwgMan
over a year ago
Camarthen |
"having doubts about whether it was the right thing to do - given the early signs we are seeing of the destruction that has been caused to the economy?
Absolutely not, if you had of spent the first 6 weeks in the NHS you wouldn’t say that. We where stretched very thin, even simple things like hospitals infrastructure where taken to their limits. Without lockdown the situation would have been an absolute disaster.
We should have done it much earlier, we should have done elements differently and probably exited in a different fashion but the decision to lockdown was right.
Regardless of lockdown the economy would have been hit hard, it’s a global issue... just look at NZ, a near perfect lockdown and now a country free of the virus... but, a country with closed borders and a dependency on mass tourism which is no longer there. Their economy is absolutely shattered too."
It's much easier to control lockdown when you have a population of under 5 million and a large land mass with 2 separate island's within one country, control of the borders has been the biggest factor for them probably to compare it with the UK or any country with a large population is just not realistic in any way.
Lockdown was simply to slow the spread down and was never going to stop it as the virus was here well before then. |
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By *arksxMan
over a year ago
Leicester / London |
"Should’ve happened a lot earlier, 2/3 weeks earlier !
What and strand well over a million people overseas rather than 100,000 or so. Fantastic. That would have been a marvellous idea. What would happen when they all start trickling back in from countries with higher infection rates. or is it a question of tough luck. Your problem for actually having audacity to have a holiday before everyone knew how much bother this virus was going to cause.
I don't think some people really think it through do they ?"
The government should have locked the boarders down as soon as the cluster fuck hit Europe when atalanta played Valencia in the champions league in mid February.
China was already showing us how bad it was and they under playing the virus
Throw a biological bomb like 50,000 fans in stadium together travelling all over Europe.
Its didn't take a genius to see what was going to happen. World stock markets had already started to sell off less than 5 days later.
What was bozo boris doing...telling the nation to have a stiff upper lip and shaking hands with everyone on daytime national tv.
Mean while boy wonder sunak was at the dispatch box in march telling us the economy was booming.
And that heard immunity would save us....we still havent reach heard immunity levels yet and thousands have paid for that with their lives.
Yeag tough decisions needed to be made but yeah that's in power didn't even make decisions they just winged every policy. Now they have spunked £130 billion and who's gonna pay for that?
Sunak? The guy ran tax evasion wealth management companies for ultra high net worth companies before coming into office.
They dont need to be sacked, there should be a full scale revolt. London burned in 2011 riots I can see everyone being just as angry after the country collectively struggled for 10 years through austerity
And these fucktards have spunked the whole wad in 6 months bankrupting the economy. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"Should’ve happened a lot earlier, 2/3 weeks earlier !
What and strand well over a million people overseas rather than 100,000 or so. Fantastic. That would have been a marvellous idea. What would happen when they all start trickling back in from countries with higher infection rates. or is it a question of tough luck. Your problem for actually having audacity to have a holiday before everyone knew how much bother this virus was going to cause.
I don't think some people really think it through do they ?
The government should have locked the boarders down as soon as the cluster fuck hit Europe when atalanta played Valencia in the champions league in mid February.
China was already showing us how bad it was and they under playing the virus
Throw a biological bomb like 50,000 fans in stadium together travelling all over Europe.
Its didn't take a genius to see what was going to happen. World stock markets had already started to sell off less than 5 days later.
What was bozo boris doing...telling the nation to have a stiff upper lip and shaking hands with everyone on daytime national tv.
Mean while boy wonder sunak was at the dispatch box in march telling us the economy was booming.
And that heard immunity would save us....we still havent reach heard immunity levels yet and thousands have paid for that with their lives.
Yeag tough decisions needed to be made but yeah that's in power didn't even make decisions they just winged every policy. Now they have spunked £130 billion and who's gonna pay for that?
Sunak? The guy ran tax evasion wealth management companies for ultra high net worth companies before coming into office.
They dont need to be sacked, there should be a full scale revolt. London burned in 2011 riots I can see everyone being just as angry after the country collectively struggled for 10 years through austerity
And these fucktards have spunked the whole wad in 6 months bankrupting the economy."
Fan of the government then?
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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago
Wiltshire and London |
"No. It was definitely the right thing to do. It has just been mismanaged beyond belief and just turned into an utter cluster fuck of events. For a start lock down should have happened perhaps a week earlier and it should have been more regimented throughout instead of relying on 'commonsense'. Track and trace, care homes, Dominic Cummings, illogical staggered easing... These are just the main points I can think of which contributed to poor handling of the whole thing.
Should have been clear set of rules to stop people interpreting the 'guidelines' and 'recommendations' to suit themselves.
The laws were there, some people considered themselves above the law
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They were wishy-washy “guidelines”, set up that way so that the privileged few who chose to disregard them couldn’t be prosecuted. |
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"I think only the vulnerable or in contact with the vulnerable should have locked down, no one else.
I've worked all the way through this and I'm fine as would many other millions of people who were furloughed and still are. "
So having been furloughed then by definition they were locked down so in theory their exposure to COVID was reduced - so is the fact that “millions of people” are ok because that exposure was reduced. Just because you are fine - you could have been a symptomatic and passed it to people with a compromised immune system etc.
I’m afraid the “ but I’m ok “ argument holds no water - was that perhaps the mindset (sic) of the covidiots who flocked to the beaches and parks. It is that very “I’m alright jack” mentality that other countries with lower death tolls do not have. Even now, with public houses having to allocate time slots for people (similar to restaurants), there are many selfish people who are refusing to leave at the end of their slot so others can enjoy the facilities.
I would suggest to try to compare the UK and when the lockdown was initiated here, to other countries who initiated it earlier, stumbles at one major hurdle - the population. Over here we saw the street parties, the flocking you’re the beaches in the warm weather, the ignoring of regulations. In the majority of the countries with lower death tolls/infection rates, it would appear that the majority of the population in those countries were not so self-centred, and acted more responsibly.
Do I think the government have made mistakes in their handling of the situation..... yep... probably. I use the word “probably” because as a normal member of public I know that I will not be party to all the information available to the people making the decisions. So I form my opinion based on the information which HAS been made available to me (However - with the caveat that the information supplied to the general populace we have no way of verifying, and as we have seen in relation to a number of subjects over the last several months , will have “spin” placed on it by the media/government/opposition/Karen from Facebook et al).
However, I do think that no matter who was in government, “getting it right” would have been very difficult as the world is dealing with a virus of which our understanding and knowledge is constantly evolving. You can only make informed decisions based on the information that you have at the time.
Plus - whoever was in power would have been pissing into the wind because of the huge swathes of entitled public who think the rules/laws don’t apply to them. And before we start saying “well the police should do/have been doing something about it”, the police had legislation thrust upon them to enforce which had been rushed through and was poorly thought out. And there were cries of “this is becoming a police state” when they DID try to enforce the laws (including on the forums on this site),and all the while they were putting themselves at risk of exposure, as we’re NHS staff and other members of our emergency services, to try to still keep the communities safe. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
Dudley |
"I think only the vulnerable or in contact with the vulnerable should have locked down, no one else.
I've worked all the way through this and I'm fine as would many other millions of people who were furloughed and still are.
So having been furloughed then by definition they were locked down so in theory their exposure to COVID was reduced - so is the fact that “millions of people” are ok because that exposure was reduced. Just because you are fine - you could have been a symptomatic and passed it to people with a compromised immune system etc.
I’m afraid the “ but I’m ok “ argument holds no water - was that perhaps the mindset (sic) of the covidiots who flocked to the beaches and parks. It is that very “I’m alright jack” mentality that other countries with lower death tolls do not have. Even now, with public houses having to allocate time slots for people (similar to restaurants), there are many selfish people who are refusing to leave at the end of their slot so others can enjoy the facilities.
I would suggest to try to compare the UK and when the lockdown was initiated here, to other countries who initiated it earlier, stumbles at one major hurdle - the population. Over here we saw the street parties, the flocking you’re the beaches in the warm weather, the ignoring of regulations. In the majority of the countries with lower death tolls/infection rates, it would appear that the majority of the population in those countries were not so self-centred, and acted more responsibly.
Do I think the government have made mistakes in their handling of the situation..... yep... probably. I use the word “probably” because as a normal member of public I know that I will not be party to all the information available to the people making the decisions. So I form my opinion based on the information which HAS been made available to me (However - with the caveat that the information supplied to the general populace we have no way of verifying, and as we have seen in relation to a number of subjects over the last several months , will have “spin” placed on it by the media/government/opposition/Karen from Facebook et al).
However, I do think that no matter who was in government, “getting it right” would have been very difficult as the world is dealing with a virus of which our understanding and knowledge is constantly evolving. You can only make informed decisions based on the information that you have at the time.
Plus - whoever was in power would have been pissing into the wind because of the huge swathes of entitled public who think the rules/laws don’t apply to them. And before we start saying “well the police should do/have been doing something about it”, the police had legislation thrust upon them to enforce which had been rushed through and was poorly thought out. And there were cries of “this is becoming a police state” when they DID try to enforce the laws (including on the forums on this site),and all the while they were putting themselves at risk of exposure, as we’re NHS staff and other members of our emergency services, to try to still keep the communities safe."
Well said, too many people expected to have their hand held during this instead of just using common sense and decency. |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
London |
"I think only the vulnerable or in contact with the vulnerable should have locked down, no one else.
I've worked all the way through this and I'm fine as would many other millions of people who were furloughed and still are.
So having been furloughed then by definition they were locked down so in theory their exposure to COVID was reduced - so is the fact that “millions of people” are ok because that exposure was reduced. Just because you are fine - you could have been a symptomatic and passed it to people with a compromised immune system etc.
I’m afraid the “ but I’m ok “ argument holds no water - was that perhaps the mindset (sic) of the covidiots who flocked to the beaches and parks. It is that very “I’m alright jack” mentality that other countries with lower death tolls do not have. Even now, with public houses having to allocate time slots for people (similar to restaurants), there are many selfish people who are refusing to leave at the end of their slot so others can enjoy the facilities.
I would suggest to try to compare the UK and when the lockdown was initiated here, to other countries who initiated it earlier, stumbles at one major hurdle - the population. Over here we saw the street parties, the flocking you’re the beaches in the warm weather, the ignoring of regulations. In the majority of the countries with lower death tolls/infection rates, it would appear that the majority of the population in those countries were not so self-centred, and acted more responsibly.
Do I think the government have made mistakes in their handling of the situation..... yep... probably. I use the word “probably” because as a normal member of public I know that I will not be party to all the information available to the people making the decisions. So I form my opinion based on the information which HAS been made available to me (However - with the caveat that the information supplied to the general populace we have no way of verifying, and as we have seen in relation to a number of subjects over the last several months , will have “spin” placed on it by the media/government/opposition/Karen from Facebook et al).
However, I do think that no matter who was in government, “getting it right” would have been very difficult as the world is dealing with a virus of which our understanding and knowledge is constantly evolving. You can only make informed decisions based on the information that you have at the time.
Plus - whoever was in power would have been pissing into the wind because of the huge swathes of entitled public who think the rules/laws don’t apply to them. And before we start saying “well the police should do/have been doing something about it”, the police had legislation thrust upon them to enforce which had been rushed through and was poorly thought out. And there were cries of “this is becoming a police state” when they DID try to enforce the laws (including on the forums on this site),and all the while they were putting themselves at risk of exposure, as we’re NHS staff and other members of our emergency services, to try to still keep the communities safe.
Well said, too many people expected to have their hand held during this instead of just using common sense and decency. "
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"Should’ve happened a lot earlier, 2/3 weeks earlier !
What and strand well over a million people overseas rather than 100,000 or so. Fantastic. That would have been a marvellous idea. What would happen when they all start trickling back in from countries with higher infection rates. or is it a question of tough luck. Your problem for actually having audacity to have a holiday before everyone knew how much bother this virus was going to cause.
I don't think some people really think it through do they ?
The government should have locked the boarders down as soon as the cluster fuck hit Europe when atalanta played Valencia in the champions league in mid February.
China was already showing us how bad it was and they under playing the virus
Throw a biological bomb like 50,000 fans in stadium together travelling all over Europe.
Its didn't take a genius to see what was going to happen. World stock markets had already started to sell off less than 5 days later.
What was bozo boris doing...telling the nation to have a stiff upper lip and shaking hands with everyone on daytime national tv.
Mean while boy wonder sunak was at the dispatch box in march telling us the economy was booming.
And that heard immunity would save us....we still havent reach heard immunity levels yet and thousands have paid for that with their lives.
Yeag tough decisions needed to be made but yeah that's in power didn't even make decisions they just winged every policy. Now they have spunked £130 billion and who's gonna pay for that?
Sunak? The guy ran tax evasion wealth management companies for ultra high net worth companies before coming into office.
They dont need to be sacked, there should be a full scale revolt. London burned in 2011 riots I can see everyone being just as angry after the country collectively struggled for 10 years through austerity
And these fucktards have spunked the whole wad in 6 months bankrupting the economy.
Fan of the government then?
What would a revolt and burning London achieve? "
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"Should’ve happened a lot earlier, 2/3 weeks earlier !
What and strand well over a million people overseas rather than 100,000 or so. Fantastic. That would have been a marvellous idea. What would happen when they all start trickling back in from countries with higher infection rates. or is it a question of tough luck. Your problem for actually having audacity to have a holiday before everyone knew how much bother this virus was going to cause.
I don't think some people really think it through do they ?
The government should have locked the boarders down as soon as the cluster fuck hit Europe when atalanta played Valencia in the champions league in mid February.
China was already showing us how bad it was and they under playing the virus
Throw a biological bomb like 50,000 fans in stadium together travelling all over Europe.
Its didn't take a genius to see what was going to happen. World stock markets had already started to sell off less than 5 days later.
What was bozo boris doing...telling the nation to have a stiff upper lip and shaking hands with everyone on daytime national tv.
Mean while boy wonder sunak was at the dispatch box in march telling us the economy was booming.
And that heard immunity would save us....we still havent reach heard immunity levels yet and thousands have paid for that with their lives.
Yeag tough decisions needed to be made but yeah that's in power didn't even make decisions they just winged every policy. Now they have spunked £130 billion and who's gonna pay for that?
Sunak? The guy ran tax evasion wealth management companies for ultra high net worth companies before coming into office.
They dont need to be sacked, there should be a full scale revolt. London burned in 2011 riots I can see everyone being just as angry after the country collectively struggled for 10 years through austerity
And these fucktards have spunked the whole wad in 6 months bankrupting the economy.
Fan of the government then?
What would a revolt and burning London achieve?
Perhaps he needs a new TV ? "
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I think the lockdown achieved its aim, but much less effectively than it could, as it has been mishandled since the beginning, including not locking down earlier. My mate was infected at a Bryan Ferry gig on March 7 and was symptomatic by March 9. If we were tracking and tracing infections rather than simply expecting people to stay at home who had symptoms. The mass gatherings after this date could have been cancelled. There were no doubt a plethora of others. Ignoring the considerable work on preparation for a pandemic, the advice for which was used in other countries like South Korea, and disbanding the task force, in favour of putting more resource into the Brexit farce, was an example of how their flawed ideology made things much worse than they ever needed to be. |
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"I think only the vulnerable or in contact with the vulnerable should have locked down, no one else.
I've worked all the way through this and I'm fine as would many other millions of people who were furloughed and still are.
So having been furloughed then by definition they were locked down so in theory their exposure to COVID was reduced - so is the fact that “millions of people” are ok because that exposure was reduced. Just because you are fine - you could have been a symptomatic and passed it to people with a compromised immune system etc.
I’m afraid the “ but I’m ok “ argument holds no water - was that perhaps the mindset (sic) of the covidiots who flocked to the beaches and parks. It is that very “I’m alright jack” mentality that other countries with lower death tolls do not have. Even now, with public houses having to allocate time slots for people (similar to restaurants), there are many selfish people who are refusing to leave at the end of their slot so others can enjoy the facilities.
I would suggest to try to compare the UK and when the lockdown was initiated here, to other countries who initiated it earlier, stumbles at one major hurdle - the population. Over here we saw the street parties, the flocking you’re the beaches in the warm weather, the ignoring of regulations. In the majority of the countries with lower death tolls/infection rates, it would appear that the majority of the population in those countries were not so self-centred, and acted more responsibly.
Do I think the government have made mistakes in their handling of the situation..... yep... probably. I use the word “probably” because as a normal member of public I know that I will not be party to all the information available to the people making the decisions. So I form my opinion based on the information which HAS been made available to me (However - with the caveat that the information supplied to the general populace we have no way of verifying, and as we have seen in relation to a number of subjects over the last several months , will have “spin” placed on it by the media/government/opposition/Karen from Facebook et al).
However, I do think that no matter who was in government, “getting it right” would have been very difficult as the world is dealing with a virus of which our understanding and knowledge is constantly evolving. You can only make informed decisions based on the information that you have at the time.
Plus - whoever was in power would have been pissing into the wind because of the huge swathes of entitled public who think the rules/laws don’t apply to them. And before we start saying “well the police should do/have been doing something about it”, the police had legislation thrust upon them to enforce which had been rushed through and was poorly thought out. And there were cries of “this is becoming a police state” when they DID try to enforce the laws (including on the forums on this site),and all the while they were putting themselves at risk of exposure, as we’re NHS staff and other members of our emergency services, to try to still keep the communities safe."
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By *ilth500Man
over a year ago
Merseyside |
"2nd wave reality
Lockdown only tool we have"
patients in hospital peaked April 12th near 20K now decreased by 94% to 1,286..over the last 2weeks a further 34% decrease.... THINGS ARE GETTING BETTER |
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"2nd wave reality
Lockdown only tool we have"
Oh nooo lock us down for somthing that has a 0.0024% death rate.
Please governents of this world save us, please lock us up in our homes for our saftey, please please rush out a vaccine for us and please make it mandatory even to all those healthy people that eat good foods and do regular exercise to protect us vulberable who have spent a lifetime of eating highly processed foods, sugary soda drinks and not looking after our own bodys and our immune systems.
Please hurry and get the vaccine so we can all qeue up for it so this nasty virus with a 0.0024% mortality rate can be eradicated.
Oh wait flu vaccines never eradicated flu and doesnt even prevent people from getting the flu in some cases??... oh well never mind mr goverments please just lock us up and jeep us safe.
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By *rjimMan
over a year ago
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It seems many many people want more lockdown.
That's fine.
Please sign the form below that you no longer want to put OTHER peoples lives at risk as well as your own.
So you PERSONALLY will not use the following services.
Drs, nurses, dentists,
Water to you home, electricity, streets swept, bins emptied, food deliveries, post, Amazon and ebay orders and access to supermarkets, plumbers - even if your home is flooding(cant be too safe).
Also your furlough will cease immediately and your personal tax will double and VAT on anything YOU buy in the future will be 50%.
Now, form an orderly queue to sign the forms....
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By *ilth500Man
over a year ago
Merseyside |
"It seems many many people want more lockdown.
That's fine.
Please sign the form below that you no longer want to put OTHER peoples lives at risk as well as your own.
So you PERSONALLY will not use the following services.
Drs, nurses, dentists,
Water to you home, electricity, streets swept, bins emptied, food deliveries, post, Amazon and ebay orders and access to supermarkets, plumbers - even if your home is flooding(cant be too safe).
Also your furlough will cease immediately and your personal tax will double and VAT on anything YOU buy in the future will be 50%.
Now, form an orderly queue to sign the forms....
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"2nd wave reality
Lockdown only tool we have
Oh nooo lock us down for somthing that has a 0.0024% death rate.
Please governents of this world save us, please lock us up in our homes for our saftey, please please rush out a vaccine for us and please make it mandatory even to all those healthy people that eat good foods and do regular exercise to protect us vulberable who have spent a lifetime of eating highly processed foods, sugary soda drinks and not looking after our own bodys and our immune systems.
Please hurry and get the vaccine so we can all qeue up for it so this nasty virus with a 0.0024% mortality rate can be eradicated.
Oh wait flu vaccines never eradicated flu and doesnt even prevent people from getting the flu in some cases??... oh well never mind mr goverments please just lock us up and jeep us safe.
Jeeez this is what some people are like."
Didn't this come up the other day and the 0.0024% mortality included people that hadnt been infected and didn't die of Covid ?
Maybe it's a similar number to some other quote ? |
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