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"How Desmond Swayne MP described having to wear face masks in shops. Twat? Discuss" I think he was just echoing the concerns of his butler who would be doing his shopping. | |||
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"How Desmond Swayne MP described having to wear face masks in shops. Twat? Discuss I think he was just echoing the concerns of his butler who would be doing his shopping." He probably farts in the butler's mask then makes him wear it. | |||
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"How Desmond Swayne MP described having to wear face masks in shops. Twat? Discuss" Discuss what??? I think twat covers all angles!! T | |||
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"A bit of an exaggeration, I think most people who are objecting to wearing face coverings in shops are doing so as they are concerned that it could just be the start, that it's the start of a slippery slope towards becoming compulsory at all times." What, in your own home? | |||
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"It's a view point which he and some of his constituents hold, he's pretty much anti lockdown too. I'm glad we live in a country where he can say things like that without fear from a platform designed for exactly that purpose. " Absolutely, he can say it....but he is a twat. | |||
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"A bit of an exaggeration, I think most people who are objecting to wearing face coverings in shops are doing so as they are concerned that it could just be the start, that it's the start of a slippery slope towards becoming compulsory at all times." I think we do need to be careful of accepting without question things that are presented to us as being in our own interest. I agree with face coverings in shops as long as it doesn't make people feel they're invincible. | |||
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"It's a view point which he and some of his constituents hold, he's pretty much anti lockdown too. I'm glad we live in a country where he can say things like that without fear from a platform designed for exactly that purpose. Absolutely, he can say it....but he is a twat." I  . I doubt he goes to Tesco much either | |||
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"A bit of an exaggeration, I think most people who are objecting to wearing face coverings in shops are doing so as they are concerned that it could just be the start, that it's the start of a slippery slope towards becoming compulsory at all times. I think we do need to be careful of accepting without question things that are presented to us as being in our own interest. I agree with face coverings in shops as long as it doesn't make people feel they're invincible."  | |||
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"How Desmond Swayne MP described having to wear face masks in shops. Twat? Discuss I think he was just echoing the concerns of his butler who would be doing his shopping." Got to look after the staff. | |||
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"A bit of an exaggeration, I think most people who are objecting to wearing face coverings in shops are doing so as they are concerned that it could just be the start, that it's the start of a slippery slope towards becoming compulsory at all times. I think we do need to be careful of accepting without question things that are presented to us as being in our own interest. I agree with face coverings in shops as long as it doesn't make people feel they're invincible." Yes, but surely the growing evidence from scientists, the rest of the world and just good old common sense, should make us realise it's probably not a bad idea. I know science and experts are not very fashionable at the mo!!  | |||
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"How Desmond Swayne MP described having to wear face masks in shops. Twat? Discuss" Is he from Texas? | |||
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"How Desmond Swayne MP described having to wear face masks in shops. Twat? Discuss Is he from Texas?" I wish he was.. | |||
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"I don’t get the issue. I really don’t. If people can’t wear a mask for health reasons yes I get it but just get on with it. " | |||
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"How Desmond Swayne MP described having to wear face masks in shops. Twat? Discuss I think he was just echoing the concerns of his butler who would be doing his shopping. He probably farts in the butler's mask then makes him wear it." Good discussion | |||
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"A discussion on BBC radio Wales yesterday calls into question the effectiveness of wearing face mask. An article in the Times today suggest that the mask bought by most people offers no protection. " But, better safe than sorry.... possibly? Can it hurt? Of it helps us get through this mess?? | |||
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"A bit of an exaggeration, I think most people who are objecting to wearing face coverings in shops are doing so as they are concerned that it could just be the start, that it's the start of a slippery slope towards becoming compulsory at all times. I think we do need to be careful of accepting without question things that are presented to us as being in our own interest. I agree with face coverings in shops as long as it doesn't make people feel they're invincible. Yes, but surely the growing evidence from scientists, the rest of the world and just good old common sense, should make us realise it's probably not a bad idea. I know science and experts are not very fashionable at the mo!! "Yep. I've been wearing a mask for some time. In my opinion if it gives even the slightest protection to people around me I'll do it. I just think it's good to consider the opposing view before accepting things. | |||
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"How Desmond Swayne MP described having to wear face masks in shops. Twat? Discuss Is he from Texas?" No that was sharleen spiteri | |||
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"A bit of an exaggeration, I think most people who are objecting to wearing face coverings in shops are doing so as they are concerned that it could just be the start, that it's the start of a slippery slope towards becoming compulsory at all times. I think we do need to be careful of accepting without question things that are presented to us as being in our own interest. I agree with face coverings in shops as long as it doesn't make people feel they're invincible. Yes, but surely the growing evidence from scientists, the rest of the world and just good old common sense, should make us realise it's probably not a bad idea. I know science and experts are not very fashionable at the mo!!
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I've been wearing a mask for some time. In my opinion if it gives even the slightest protection to people around me I'll do it. I just think it's good to consider the opposing view before accepting things. "Oh yes, of course. I just don't see why people are making such a fuss. I'm tempted to use that awful term...'snowflakes' | |||
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"A discussion on BBC radio Wales yesterday calls into question the effectiveness of wearing face mask. An article in the Times today suggest that the mask bought by most people offers no protection. " If nothing else, it'll reduce spread of droplets if you sneeze or cough into it. Thereby offering protection to others. Some protection is better than none. | |||
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"A bit of an exaggeration, I think most people who are objecting to wearing face coverings in shops are doing so as they are concerned that it could just be the start, that it's the start of a slippery slope towards becoming compulsory at all times. I think we do need to be careful of accepting without question things that are presented to us as being in our own interest. I agree with face coverings in shops as long as it doesn't make people feel they're invincible. Yes, but surely the growing evidence from scientists, the rest of the world and just good old common sense, should make us realise it's probably not a bad idea. I know science and experts are not very fashionable at the mo!!
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I've been wearing a mask for some time. In my opinion if it gives even the slightest protection to people around me I'll do it. I just think it's good to consider the opposing view before accepting things.
Oh yes, of course. I just don't see why people are making such a fuss. I'm tempted to use that awful term...'snowflakes'
"Anything but that!
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"A virus so smart it can tell the difference between * A shop worker and a shopper. * Pub/Bars nite life and shopping. * Office workers and shoppers. The mask farce has got Jack to do with the spread of covid,there's just too many contridictions,it's all about un-scaring folks out of the house to spend money. " Shop workers are in a shop all day. A shopper for a considerably shorter time. In a pub/restaurant you would have to keep touching your mask. In a shop you wouldn’t. An officer worker is exactly the same as a shop worker except socially distanced. We are just being asked to wear a mask for the short time we are in a shop. I don’t think it’s much to ask. Apparently you do. | |||
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"A bit of an exaggeration, I think most people who are objecting to wearing face coverings in shops are doing so as they are concerned that it could just be the start, that it's the start of a slippery slope towards becoming compulsory at all times. I think we do need to be careful of accepting without question things that are presented to us as being in our own interest. I agree with face coverings in shops as long as it doesn't make people feel they're invincible. Yes, but surely the growing evidence from scientists, the rest of the world and just good old common sense, should make us realise it's probably not a bad idea. I know science and experts are not very fashionable at the mo!!
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I've been wearing a mask for some time. In my opinion if it gives even the slightest protection to people around me I'll do it. I just think it's good to consider the opposing view before accepting things.
Oh yes, of course. I just don't see why people are making such a fuss. I'm tempted to use that awful term...'snowflakes'
Anything but that!
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"A virus so smart it can tell the difference between * A shop worker and a shopper. * Pub/Bars nite life and shopping. * Office workers and shoppers. The mask farce has got Jack to do with the spread of covid,there's just too many contridictions,it's all about un-scaring folks out of the house to spend money. Shop workers are in a shop all day. A shopper for a considerably shorter time. In a pub/restaurant you would have to keep touching your mask. In a shop you wouldn’t. An officer worker is exactly the same as a shop worker except socially distanced. We are just being asked to wear a mask for the short time we are in a shop. I don’t think it’s much to ask. Apparently you do." For now we are, rumblings are that face nappies will become mandatory at all times outside the home (anywhere in public, at work etc). Give some people an inch and they want the whole mile. | |||
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"How Desmond Swayne MP described having to wear face masks in shops. Twat? Discuss Discuss what??? I think twat covers all angles!! T" Yes I think that description leaves little room for discussion? | |||
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"A discussion on BBC radio Wales yesterday calls into question the effectiveness of wearing face mask. An article in the Times today suggest that the mask bought by most people offers no protection. " I get this point. So my specialty is in Microbiology and computational Biotechnology, so I'm more familiar than most STEM grads with Viral modelling - how viruses spread through populations and what factors effect this. In the debates and papers I've consumed there's a discussion over the following: - What standard of face covering maximises protection? - To what extent do members of the public wear face coverings correctly? - The negative impacts of wearing a face covering - eg, do individuals become more lax in not adequately washing their hands, not touching their faces and minimising contact with non-sterile surfaces. Overall however, there are certain standards of face coverings, that do seem to minimise the virus spread within groups and populations. So long as they are worn correctly and combined with nudge techniques to remind people to take the other personal hygiene precautions. This all said, I think the Conservative MP's, Party members and commenters such as Toby Young, who are protesting by cutting up their membership cards at having to wear face masks, are doing this less on the grounds of scientific debate and more on the grounds that they don't like it, for economic reasons, or for personal freedom reasons. The only one of those I see as valid is the economic one. Personal freedom, eg, what if the State becomes too intrusive, shouldn't be a concern, there's not enough manpower to adequately police individuals who on mass might ignore the rules - and I'd say that atleast 50% of the population are atleast trying to follow medical advise of personal security. | |||
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"A virus so smart it can tell the difference between * A shop worker and a shopper. * Pub/Bars nite life and shopping. * Office workers and shoppers. The mask farce has got Jack to do with the spread of covid,there's just too many contridictions,it's all about un-scaring folks out of the house to spend money. Shop workers are in a shop all day. A shopper for a considerably shorter time. In a pub/restaurant you would have to keep touching your mask. In a shop you wouldn’t. An officer worker is exactly the same as a shop worker except socially distanced. We are just being asked to wear a mask for the short time we are in a shop. I don’t think it’s much to ask. Apparently you do. For now we are, rumblings are that face nappies will become mandatory at all times outside the home (anywhere in public, at work etc). Give some people an inch and they want the whole mile." Oh dear, you used the term 'face nappy'... | |||
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"A discussion on BBC radio Wales yesterday calls into question the effectiveness of wearing face mask. An article in the Times today suggest that the mask bought by most people offers no protection. I get this point. So my specialty is in Microbiology and computational Biotechnology, so I'm more familiar than most STEM grads with Viral modelling - how viruses spread through populations and what factors effect this. In the debates and papers I've consumed there's a discussion over the following: - What standard of face covering maximises protection? - To what extent do members of the public wear face coverings correctly? - The negative impacts of wearing a face covering - eg, do individuals become more lax in not adequately washing their hands, not touching their faces and minimising contact with non-sterile surfaces. Overall however, there are certain standards of face coverings, that do seem to minimise the virus spread within groups and populations. So long as they are worn correctly and combined with nudge techniques to remind people to take the other personal hygiene precautions. This all said, I think the Conservative MP's, Party members and commenters such as Toby Young, who are protesting by cutting up their membership cards at having to wear face masks, are doing this less on the grounds of scientific debate and more on the grounds that they don't like it, for economic reasons, or for personal freedom reasons. The only one of those I see as valid is the economic one. Personal freedom, eg, what if the State becomes too intrusive, shouldn't be a concern, there's not enough manpower to adequately police individuals who on mass might ignore the rules - and I'd say that atleast 50% of the population are atleast trying to follow medical advise of personal security." Surely, less face coverings, more infection, more lockdowns, less economic recovery. No? | |||
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"A virus so smart it can tell the difference between * A shop worker and a shopper. * Pub/Bars nite life and shopping. * Office workers and shoppers. The mask farce has got Jack to do with the spread of covid,there's just too many contridictions,it's all about un-scaring folks out of the house to spend money. Shop workers are in a shop all day. A shopper for a considerably shorter time. In a pub/restaurant you would have to keep touching your mask. In a shop you wouldn’t. An officer worker is exactly the same as a shop worker except socially distanced. We are just being asked to wear a mask for the short time we are in a shop. I don’t think it’s much to ask. Apparently you do. For now we are, rumblings are that face nappies will become mandatory at all times outside the home (anywhere in public, at work etc). Give some people an inch and they want the whole mile." Rumblings are rumblings, unless it comes from a leaked or published Document from a Minister or Senior Civil Servant I'd dismiss it. Otherwise you go into conspiracy theory territory. | |||
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"A discussion on BBC radio Wales yesterday calls into question the effectiveness of wearing face mask. An article in the Times today suggest that the mask bought by most people offers no protection. I get this point. So my specialty is in Microbiology and computational Biotechnology, so I'm more familiar than most STEM grads with Viral modelling - how viruses spread through populations and what factors effect this. In the debates and papers I've consumed there's a discussion over the following: - What standard of face covering maximises protection? - To what extent do members of the public wear face coverings correctly? - The negative impacts of wearing a face covering - eg, do individuals become more lax in not adequately washing their hands, not touching their faces and minimising contact with non-sterile surfaces. Overall however, there are certain standards of face coverings, that do seem to minimise the virus spread within groups and populations. So long as they are worn correctly and combined with nudge techniques to remind people to take the other personal hygiene precautions. This all said, I think the Conservative MP's, Party members and commenters such as Toby Young, who are protesting by cutting up their membership cards at having to wear face masks, are doing this less on the grounds of scientific debate and more on the grounds that they don't like it, for economic reasons, or for personal freedom reasons. The only one of those I see as valid is the economic one. Personal freedom, eg, what if the State becomes too intrusive, shouldn't be a concern, there's not enough manpower to adequately police individuals who on mass might ignore the rules - and I'd say that atleast 50% of the population are atleast trying to follow medical advise of personal security. Surely, less face coverings, more infection, more lockdowns, less economic recovery. No?" Oh I completely agree on the face of it. It does require however that employers, especially those in the services sector, ensure that staff clean equipment and the store correctly. It also requires that the guidance of regular hand washing, not touching your face, then a shop item for example is followed - otherwise this may counteract the benefits of most people wearing face coverings. | |||
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"A discussion on BBC radio Wales yesterday calls into question the effectiveness of wearing face mask. An article in the Times today suggest that the mask bought by most people offers no protection. I get this point. So my specialty is in Microbiology and computational Biotechnology, so I'm more familiar than most STEM grads with Viral modelling - how viruses spread through populations and what factors effect this. In the debates and papers I've consumed there's a discussion over the following: - What standard of face covering maximises protection? - To what extent do members of the public wear face coverings correctly? - The negative impacts of wearing a face covering - eg, do individuals become more lax in not adequately washing their hands, not touching their faces and minimising contact with non-sterile surfaces. Overall however, there are certain standards of face coverings, that do seem to minimise the virus spread within groups and populations. So long as they are worn correctly and combined with nudge techniques to remind people to take the other personal hygiene precautions. This all said, I think the Conservative MP's, Party members and commenters such as Toby Young, who are protesting by cutting up their membership cards at having to wear face masks, are doing this less on the grounds of scientific debate and more on the grounds that they don't like it, for economic reasons, or for personal freedom reasons. The only one of those I see as valid is the economic one. Personal freedom, eg, what if the State becomes too intrusive, shouldn't be a concern, there's not enough manpower to adequately police individuals who on mass might ignore the rules - and I'd say that atleast 50% of the population are atleast trying to follow medical advise of personal security. Surely, less face coverings, more infection, more lockdowns, less economic recovery. No? Oh I completely agree on the face of it. It does require however that employers, especially those in the services sector, ensure that staff clean equipment and the store correctly. It also requires that the guidance of regular hand washing, not touching your face, then a shop item for example is followed - otherwise this may counteract the benefits of most people wearing face coverings." Ah, yes. Need to keep that up. | |||
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"How Desmond Swayne MP described having to wear face masks in shops. Twat? Discuss Is he from Texas? No that was sharleen spiteri"  | |||
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"A virus so smart it can tell the difference between * A shop worker and a shopper. * Pub/Bars nite life and shopping. * Office workers and shoppers. The mask farce has got Jack to do with the spread of covid,there's just too many contridictions,it's all about un-scaring folks out of the house to spend money. Shop workers are in a shop all day. A shopper for a considerably shorter time. In a pub/restaurant you would have to keep touching your mask. In a shop you wouldn’t. An officer worker is exactly the same as a shop worker except socially distanced. We are just being asked to wear a mask for the short time we are in a shop. I don’t think it’s much to ask. Apparently you do. For now we are, rumblings are that face nappies will become mandatory at all times outside the home (anywhere in public, at work etc). Give some people an inch and they want the whole mile. Rumblings are rumblings, unless it comes from a leaked or published Document from a Minister or Senior Civil Servant I'd dismiss it. Otherwise you go into conspiracy theory territory." True, but given recent history it's right to question government decisions and their possible implications further down the line. | |||
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"How Desmond Swayne MP described having to wear face masks in shops. Twat? Discuss" Nothing further to discuss....... your point is succinct and true  | |||
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"A virus so smart it can tell the difference between * A shop worker and a shopper. * Pub/Bars nite life and shopping. * Office workers and shoppers. The mask farce has got Jack to do with the spread of covid,there's just too many contridictions,it's all about un-scaring folks out of the house to spend money. Shop workers are in a shop all day. A shopper for a considerably shorter time. In a pub/restaurant you would have to keep touching your mask. In a shop you wouldn’t. An officer worker is exactly the same as a shop worker except socially distanced. We are just being asked to wear a mask for the short time we are in a shop. I don’t think it’s much to ask. Apparently you do. For now we are, rumblings are that face nappies will become mandatory at all times outside the home (anywhere in public, at work etc). Give some people an inch and they want the whole mile." And why is that a concern? Never used to mandatory to wear seatbelts in cars - now it is and I'm sure there was a fuss over that at the time. People never used to wear a bicycle helmet now most people do as it's become more socially acceptable. Used to be the thing to smoke cigatettes but now it's socially unacceptable. Used to be acceptable to wear a sword in public and now it isn't (probably some law banning it). Shit changes. Wearing a face mask will become socially accepted and people will just do it without thinking. Remember children being born today and those very young may well now be growing up in a world where face masks are the norm. They will know no different. | |||
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"A virus so smart it can tell the difference between * A shop worker and a shopper. * Pub/Bars nite life and shopping. * Office workers and shoppers. The mask farce has got Jack to do with the spread of covid,there's just too many contridictions,it's all about un-scaring folks out of the house to spend money. Shop workers are in a shop all day. A shopper for a considerably shorter time. In a pub/restaurant you would have to keep touching your mask. In a shop you wouldn’t. An officer worker is exactly the same as a shop worker except socially distanced. We are just being asked to wear a mask for the short time we are in a shop. I don’t think it’s much to ask. Apparently you do. For now we are, rumblings are that face nappies will become mandatory at all times outside the home (anywhere in public, at work etc). Give some people an inch and they want the whole mile. Rumblings are rumblings, unless it comes from a leaked or published Document from a Minister or Senior Civil Servant I'd dismiss it. Otherwise you go into conspiracy theory territory. True, but given recent history it's right to question government decisions and their possible implications further down the line." I'm interested what you think the implications further down the line are for wearing a face covering in a shop to reduce the spread of a disease. | |||
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"A virus so smart it can tell the difference between * A shop worker and a shopper. * Pub/Bars nite life and shopping. * Office workers and shoppers. The mask farce has got Jack to do with the spread of covid,there's just too many contridictions,it's all about un-scaring folks out of the house to spend money. Shop workers are in a shop all day. A shopper for a considerably shorter time. In a pub/restaurant you would have to keep touching your mask. In a shop you wouldn’t. An officer worker is exactly the same as a shop worker except socially distanced. We are just being asked to wear a mask for the short time we are in a shop. I don’t think it’s much to ask. Apparently you do. For now we are, rumblings are that face nappies will become mandatory at all times outside the home (anywhere in public, at work etc). Give some people an inch and they want the whole mile. Rumblings are rumblings, unless it comes from a leaked or published Document from a Minister or Senior Civil Servant I'd dismiss it. Otherwise you go into conspiracy theory territory. True, but given recent history it's right to question government decisions and their possible implications further down the line. I'm interested what you think the implications further down the line are for wearing a face covering in a shop to reduce the spread of a disease. " It would be good to make it compulsory for anyone with a cold or other infection going shopping or to work. | |||
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"A virus so smart it can tell the difference between * A shop worker and a shopper. * Pub/Bars nite life and shopping. * Office workers and shoppers. The mask farce has got Jack to do with the spread of covid,there's just too many contridictions,it's all about un-scaring folks out of the house to spend money. Shop workers are in a shop all day. A shopper for a considerably shorter time. In a pub/restaurant you would have to keep touching your mask. In a shop you wouldn’t. An officer worker is exactly the same as a shop worker except socially distanced. We are just being asked to wear a mask for the short time we are in a shop. I don’t think it’s much to ask. Apparently you do. For now we are, rumblings are that face nappies will become mandatory at all times outside the home (anywhere in public, at work etc). Give some people an inch and they want the whole mile. Rumblings are rumblings, unless it comes from a leaked or published Document from a Minister or Senior Civil Servant I'd dismiss it. Otherwise you go into conspiracy theory territory. True, but given recent history it's right to question government decisions and their possible implications further down the line. I'm interested what you think the implications further down the line are for wearing a face covering in a shop to reduce the spread of a disease. " Wearing one in a shop doesn't concern or bother me greatly, what does is once this measure is in place is that can the govt be trusted not to extend it to having to wear a face covering at all time outside the home (which I would find unacceptable). Governments have form for doing stuff like that. | |||
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"A virus so smart it can tell the difference between * A shop worker and a shopper. * Pub/Bars nite life and shopping. * Office workers and shoppers. The mask farce has got Jack to do with the spread of covid,there's just too many contridictions,it's all about un-scaring folks out of the house to spend money. Shop workers are in a shop all day. A shopper for a considerably shorter time. In a pub/restaurant you would have to keep touching your mask. In a shop you wouldn’t. An officer worker is exactly the same as a shop worker except socially distanced. We are just being asked to wear a mask for the short time we are in a shop. I don’t think it’s much to ask. Apparently you do. For now we are, rumblings are that face nappies will become mandatory at all times outside the home (anywhere in public, at work etc). Give some people an inch and they want the whole mile. Rumblings are rumblings, unless it comes from a leaked or published Document from a Minister or Senior Civil Servant I'd dismiss it. Otherwise you go into conspiracy theory territory. True, but given recent history it's right to question government decisions and their possible implications further down the line." True, we know what the Conservative government would have liked to do with the Snoopers Charter. This said, this isn't a top down institutional or organisational enforcement on society, it's a request to protect others and yourself. If herd immunity was achieved naturally (I don't advocate for this) or a vaccine became available and the police still were instructed to penalise those not wearing a mask, that would set alarm bells running. | |||
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"The thing is if it's airborne then it has been from the start So why isn't most of the country infected why hasn't the death rate hit the hundreds of thousands It doesn't make sense to me,by all means wear a mask if you want to but do t start saying it's saving lives as there is absolutely no scientific proof one way or the other People are flying all over the UK in tin cans with the air being 're circulated,not wearing masks!!!! Why no spike from air travel People are talking about common sense utter bull no 2 people have the same common sense I think one thing you think another " The first COVID cases arrived via air travel though. So I'm struggling to see your point. | |||
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"A virus so smart it can tell the difference between * A shop worker and a shopper. * Pub/Bars nite life and shopping. * Office workers and shoppers. The mask farce has got Jack to do with the spread of covid,there's just too many contridictions,it's all about un-scaring folks out of the house to spend money. " | |||
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"It's a view point which he and some of his constituents hold, he's pretty much anti lockdown too. I'm glad we live in a country where he can say things like that without fear from a platform designed for exactly that purpose. Absolutely, he can say it....but he is a twat.I . I doubt he goes to Tesco much either"Tesco's ?? Luxury !!! Why back in our day, we used to dream of going to Tescos. No, it were, we had to get up at 3am t' go down pit, work 12 hours a day for 10 Bob, eat lard on bread, go home and dad would beat us with belt before going t' bed. Apologies to Monty python for not sticking to script.. Adam | |||
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"A virus so smart it can tell the difference between * A shop worker and a shopper. * Pub/Bars nite life and shopping. * Office workers and shoppers. The mask farce has got Jack to do with the spread of covid,there's just too many contridictions,it's all about un-scaring folks out of the house to spend money. Shop workers are in a shop all day. A shopper for a considerably shorter time. In a pub/restaurant you would have to keep touching your mask. In a shop you wouldn’t. An officer worker is exactly the same as a shop worker except socially distanced. We are just being asked to wear a mask for the short time we are in a shop. I don’t think it’s much to ask. Apparently you do. For now we are, rumblings are that face nappies will become mandatory at all times outside the home (anywhere in public, at work etc). Give some people an inch and they want the whole mile. Rumblings are rumblings, unless it comes from a leaked or published Document from a Minister or Senior Civil Servant I'd dismiss it. Otherwise you go into conspiracy theory territory. True, but given recent history it's right to question government decisions and their possible implications further down the line. I'm interested what you think the implications further down the line are for wearing a face covering in a shop to reduce the spread of a disease. Wearing one in a shop doesn't concern or bother me greatly, what does is once this measure is in place is that can the govt be trusted not to extend it to having to wear a face covering at all time outside the home (which I would find unacceptable). Governments have form for doing stuff like that." Given Johnson didn't even have the authority to boot out or adequately punish his advisor, I don't think you have to worry about him dictating a policy which might piss of one section of his party. | |||
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"A virus so smart it can tell the difference between * A shop worker and a shopper. * Pub/Bars nite life and shopping. * Office workers and shoppers. The mask farce has got Jack to do with the spread of covid,there's just too many contridictions,it's all about un-scaring folks out of the house to spend money. Shop workers are in a shop all day. A shopper for a considerably shorter time. In a pub/restaurant you would have to keep touching your mask. In a shop you wouldn’t. An officer worker is exactly the same as a shop worker except socially distanced. We are just being asked to wear a mask for the short time we are in a shop. I don’t think it’s much to ask. Apparently you do. For now we are, rumblings are that face nappies will become mandatory at all times outside the home (anywhere in public, at work etc). Give some people an inch and they want the whole mile. Rumblings are rumblings, unless it comes from a leaked or published Document from a Minister or Senior Civil Servant I'd dismiss it. Otherwise you go into conspiracy theory territory. True, but given recent history it's right to question government decisions and their possible implications further down the line. True, we know what the Conservative government would have liked to do with the Snoopers Charter. This said, this isn't a top down institutional or organisational enforcement on society, it's a request to protect others and yourself. If herd immunity was achieved naturally (I don't advocate for this) or a vaccine became available and the police still were instructed to penalise those not wearing a mask, that would set alarm bells running." It's not just the Conservatives, Labour have taken liberties too in the recent past with power. I do think face coverings do have their place, but only as a last resort measure in situations where social distancing is not possible. I see no need to wear one in an open public space, pub, gym or restaurant. | |||
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"A virus so smart it can tell the difference between * A shop worker and a shopper. * Pub/Bars nite life and shopping. * Office workers and shoppers. The mask farce has got Jack to do with the spread of covid,there's just too many contridictions,it's all about un-scaring folks out of the house to spend money. Shop workers are in a shop all day. A shopper for a considerably shorter time. In a pub/restaurant you would have to keep touching your mask. In a shop you wouldn’t. An officer worker is exactly the same as a shop worker except socially distanced. We are just being asked to wear a mask for the short time we are in a shop. I don’t think it’s much to ask. Apparently you do. For now we are, rumblings are that face nappies will become mandatory at all times outside the home (anywhere in public, at work etc). Give some people an inch and they want the whole mile. Rumblings are rumblings, unless it comes from a leaked or published Document from a Minister or Senior Civil Servant I'd dismiss it. Otherwise you go into conspiracy theory territory. True, but given recent history it's right to question government decisions and their possible implications further down the line. I'm interested what you think the implications further down the line are for wearing a face covering in a shop to reduce the spread of a disease. Wearing one in a shop doesn't concern or bother me greatly, what does is once this measure is in place is that can the govt be trusted not to extend it to having to wear a face covering at all time outside the home (which I would find unacceptable). Governments have form for doing stuff like that." Again, I'm ignorant of when our government last imposed a law that forced us to... Wear a seat belt? Wear a crash helmet? Not drink and drive? Speed limit? And then what? What exactly is "stuff like that?" | |||
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"A virus so smart it can tell the difference between * A shop worker and a shopper. * Pub/Bars nite life and shopping. * Office workers and shoppers. The mask farce has got Jack to do with the spread of covid,there's just too many contridictions,it's all about un-scaring folks out of the house to spend money. Shop workers are in a shop all day. A shopper for a considerably shorter time. In a pub/restaurant you would have to keep touching your mask. In a shop you wouldn’t. An officer worker is exactly the same as a shop worker except socially distanced. We are just being asked to wear a mask for the short time we are in a shop. I don’t think it’s much to ask. Apparently you do. For now we are, rumblings are that face nappies will become mandatory at all times outside the home (anywhere in public, at work etc). Give some people an inch and they want the whole mile. Rumblings are rumblings, unless it comes from a leaked or published Document from a Minister or Senior Civil Servant I'd dismiss it. Otherwise you go into conspiracy theory territory. True, but given recent history it's right to question government decisions and their possible implications further down the line. I'm interested what you think the implications further down the line are for wearing a face covering in a shop to reduce the spread of a disease. Wearing one in a shop doesn't concern or bother me greatly, what does is once this measure is in place is that can the govt be trusted not to extend it to having to wear a face covering at all time outside the home (which I would find unacceptable). Governments have form for doing stuff like that. Again, I'm ignorant of when our government last imposed a law that forced us to... Wear a seat belt? Wear a crash helmet? Not drink and drive? Speed limit? And then what? What exactly is "stuff like that?" " Like the London Congestion Charge and ULEZ charges. Also, there isn't really a comparison between the effectiveness of a seat belt or crash helmet and a face covering. | |||
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"Erm, yeah, slight difference between all the crash test dummy testing, and absolutely no evidence on face coverings. Everyone knows it's all to un scare folks back into the shops. "No everyone doesn't know that. That is your opinion but please don't speak on my behalf. My opinion is that a covering of any kind reduces the transmission. And if that is by only 5 per cent then that is a good thing. I'd rather not have to wear a face mask. I'd rather be able to go and hug my mum for the first time in 5 months... But sometimes we have to do things we don't like. And as for evidence regarding coverings.. Well why do we cover our mouth when we cough? | |||
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"Funny how people were complaining about Arabic face coverings hindering social interaction and identification, France even banned them, but masks are fine and need to be mandated. I personally think they are an abomination and the world will be a sadder place while everyone is wearing them. You will never see someone's smile, the subtlety of human interaction will be lost for most of every day." Because times have changed and the french people have the good sense to realise that. The smile? Stop looking at the mask and you will see it  | |||
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"It's not exactly difficult to wear a face covering. I understand people with certain health issues can't wear them but for everyone else, just put a fecking mask on
If it means we get to keep the bit of normality we have now, I'm all for it. "without the face masks being introduced everything was reducing. death rates. infection rates are dropping, even after all recent events so with the inconsistencies surrounding the government messages over face masks i totally understand people's caution over being told 'just put it on!' | |||
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"It's a view point which he and some of his constituents hold, he's pretty much anti lockdown too. I'm glad we live in a country where he can say things like that without fear from a platform designed for exactly that purpose. " well said | |||
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"There's nothing normal about what you are seeing right now, lockdown was supposed to stop hospitals being over run and flattern the curve, not to turn the UK into a CCP clone island. " Absolutely | |||
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"Funny how people were complaining about Arabic face coverings hindering social interaction and identification, France even banned them, but masks are fine and need to be mandated. I personally think they are an abomination and the world will be a sadder place while everyone is wearing them. You will never see someone's smile, the subtlety of human interaction will be lost for most of every day." Totally agree | |||
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"It's not exactly difficult to wear a face covering. I understand people with certain health issues can't wear them but for everyone else, just put a fecking mask on
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"It's not exactly difficult to wear a face covering. I understand people with certain health issues can't wear them but for everyone else, just put a fecking mask on
If it means we get to keep the bit of normality we have now, I'm all for it.
without the face masks being introduced everything was reducing. death rates. infection rates are dropping, even after all recent events so with the inconsistencies surrounding the government messages over face masks i totally understand people's caution over being told 'just put it on!' "You do realise that the purpose of wearing them is to keep the numbers down? We each have to do our part and I'm happy to do so if it means we can all get back to living properly, not just existing. If it speeds up the countries recovery then I think we should all just get on with it, whatever happened to the British 'just get on with it' mentality? | |||
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"A virus so smart it can tell the difference between * A shop worker and a shopper. * Pub/Bars nite life and shopping. * Office workers and shoppers. The mask farce has got Jack to do with the spread of covid,there's just too many contridictions,it's all about un-scaring folks out of the house to spend money. Shop workers are in a shop all day. A shopper for a considerably shorter time. In a pub/restaurant you would have to keep touching your mask. In a shop you wouldn’t. An officer worker is exactly the same as a shop worker except socially distanced. We are just being asked to wear a mask for the short time we are in a shop. I don’t think it’s much to ask. Apparently you do. For now we are, rumblings are that face nappies will become mandatory at all times outside the home (anywhere in public, at work etc). Give some people an inch and they want the whole mile. Rumblings are rumblings, unless it comes from a leaked or published Document from a Minister or Senior Civil Servant I'd dismiss it. Otherwise you go into conspiracy theory territory. True, but given recent history it's right to question government decisions and their possible implications further down the line. I'm interested what you think the implications further down the line are for wearing a face covering in a shop to reduce the spread of a disease. Wearing one in a shop doesn't concern or bother me greatly, what does is once this measure is in place is that can the govt be trusted not to extend it to having to wear a face covering at all time outside the home (which I would find unacceptable). Governments have form for doing stuff like that." Oh bloody hell, you've gone to the dark side
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"It's not exactly difficult to wear a face covering. I understand people with certain health issues can't wear them but for everyone else, just put a fecking mask on
If it means we get to keep the bit of normality we have now, I'm all for it.
without the face masks being introduced everything was reducing. death rates. infection rates are dropping, even after all recent events so with the inconsistencies surrounding the government messages over face masks i totally understand people's caution over being told 'just put it on!'
You do realise that the purpose of wearing them is to keep the numbers down? We each have to do our part and I'm happy to do so if it means we can all get back to living properly, not just existing. If it speeds up the countries recovery then I think we should all just get on with it, whatever happened to the British 'just get on with it' mentality? "erm the government's record on face masks?? or the fact the death rate is dropping without them already? the infection rate is dropping without them already, EVEN after all the recent events! | |||
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"A virus so smart it can tell the difference between * A shop worker and a shopper. * Pub/Bars nite life and shopping. * Office workers and shoppers. The mask farce has got Jack to do with the spread of covid,there's just too many contridictions,it's all about un-scaring folks out of the house to spend money. Shop workers are in a shop all day. A shopper for a considerably shorter time. In a pub/restaurant you would have to keep touching your mask. In a shop you wouldn’t. An officer worker is exactly the same as a shop worker except socially distanced. We are just being asked to wear a mask for the short time we are in a shop. I don’t think it’s much to ask. Apparently you do. For now we are, rumblings are that face nappies will become mandatory at all times outside the home (anywhere in public, at work etc). Give some people an inch and they want the whole mile. Rumblings are rumblings, unless it comes from a leaked or published Document from a Minister or Senior Civil Servant I'd dismiss it. Otherwise you go into conspiracy theory territory. True, but given recent history it's right to question government decisions and their possible implications further down the line. I'm interested what you think the implications further down the line are for wearing a face covering in a shop to reduce the spread of a disease. Wearing one in a shop doesn't concern or bother me greatly, what does is once this measure is in place is that can the govt be trusted not to extend it to having to wear a face covering at all time outside the home (which I would find unacceptable). Governments have form for doing stuff like that. Oh bloody hell, you've gone to the dark side
Why on earth would we need to wear a mask all the time? What would the government gain? "Nothing really, except that people will always criticize them whatever they do. Introducing the strictest measures possible (whether likely to be effective or not) is a deflection tactic. And never underestimate the power of the Dark Side | |||
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"It's not exactly difficult to wear a face covering. I understand people with certain health issues can't wear them but for everyone else, just put a fecking mask on
If it means we get to keep the bit of normality we have now, I'm all for it.
without the face masks being introduced everything was reducing. death rates. infection rates are dropping, even after all recent events so with the inconsistencies surrounding the government messages over face masks i totally understand people's caution over being told 'just put it on!'
You do realise that the purpose of wearing them is to keep the numbers down? We each have to do our part and I'm happy to do so if it means we can all get back to living properly, not just existing. If it speeds up the countries recovery then I think we should all just get on with it, whatever happened to the British 'just get on with it' mentality?
erm the government's record on face masks?? or the fact the death rate is dropping without them already? the infection rate is dropping without them already, EVEN after all the recent events! "Yes, we want that to continue, I honestly don't see what the problem is. If this helps bring the infection and death rate down faster, I'm perfectly happy to wear a mask in shops. | |||
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"I don't have to wear a mask, I have a Dominic Cummings Platinum Exempt card. "Now are you sure? Like can you read it | |||
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"A virus so smart it can tell the difference between * A shop worker and a shopper. * Pub/Bars nite life and shopping. * Office workers and shoppers. The mask farce has got Jack to do with the spread of covid,there's just too many contridictions,it's all about un-scaring folks out of the house to spend money. Shop workers are in a shop all day. A shopper for a considerably shorter time. In a pub/restaurant you would have to keep touching your mask. In a shop you wouldn’t. An officer worker is exactly the same as a shop worker except socially distanced. We are just being asked to wear a mask for the short time we are in a shop. I don’t think it’s much to ask. Apparently you do. For now we are, rumblings are that face nappies will become mandatory at all times outside the home (anywhere in public, at work etc). Give some people an inch and they want the whole mile. Rumblings are rumblings, unless it comes from a leaked or published Document from a Minister or Senior Civil Servant I'd dismiss it. Otherwise you go into conspiracy theory territory. True, but given recent history it's right to question government decisions and their possible implications further down the line. I'm interested what you think the implications further down the line are for wearing a face covering in a shop to reduce the spread of a disease. Wearing one in a shop doesn't concern or bother me greatly, what does is once this measure is in place is that can the govt be trusted not to extend it to having to wear a face covering at all time outside the home (which I would find unacceptable). Governments have form for doing stuff like that. Oh bloody hell, you've gone to the dark side
Why on earth would we need to wear a mask all the time? What would the government gain?
Nothing really, except that people will always criticize them whatever they do. Introducing the strictest measures possible (whether likely to be effective or not) is a deflection tactic.
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"If wearing a mask in shops is so important why put a date on it ?? Surely it should’ve been from the ease of lock down or with immediate effect ...a lot can be learnt from what’s happening use as education for example all the twats protesting blm in mass numbers and the beach goers in their millions and no spike ??? " And all of them outside...not inside shops. Think about it | |||
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"So to all those who think it's a good idea and having a go at someone who doesnt support it, have you been wearing one at all times when in shops etc since the start ? If not why not if you know it's such a great idea. Of course there is the other side that wearing it makes people do things they would due to a false sense of security, there have been quite a few studies that show when people wear helmets for bike riding or skiing they are more likely to take greater risks.I certainly do with both pastimes " From before lockdown. And if anyone gets in my space I tell them to fecking back off. Oh and I dont touch the bloody mask and know how to put it on and off and how to dispose of one...have I missed owt? | |||
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"So to all those who think it's a good idea and having a go at someone who doesnt support it, have you been wearing one at all times when in shops etc since the start ? If not why not if you know it's such a great idea. Of course there is the other side that wearing it makes people do things they would due to a false sense of security, there have been quite a few studies that show when people wear helmets for bike riding or skiing they are more likely to take greater risks.I certainly do with both pastimes " Yep, so when I've got my mask on I'll go round licking door handles and touching everything I possibly can. | |||
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"So to all those who think it's a good idea and having a go at someone who doesnt support it, have you been wearing one at all times when in shops etc since the start ? If not why not if you know it's such a great idea. Of course there is the other side that wearing it makes people do things they would due to a false sense of security, there have been quite a few studies that show when people wear helmets for bike riding or skiing they are more likely to take greater risks.I certainly do with both pastimes Yep, so when I've got my mask on I'll go round licking door handles and touching everything I possibly can. "can i have a list of your itinerary for the next week or so please??  | |||
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"So to all those who think it's a good idea and having a go at someone who doesnt support it, have you been wearing one at all times when in shops etc since the start ? If not why not if you know it's such a great idea. Of course there is the other side that wearing it makes people do things they would due to a false sense of security, there have been quite a few studies that show when people wear helmets for bike riding or skiing they are more likely to take greater risks.I certainly do with both pastimes Yep, so when I've got my mask on I'll go round licking door handles and touching everything I possibly can. "Oi, Chams ain't reopened yet you know | |||
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"How Desmond Swayne MP described having to wear face masks in shops. Twat? Discuss" He's a tory MP. There's nothing to discuss. | |||
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"So to all those who think it's a good idea and having a go at someone who doesnt support it, have you been wearing one at all times when in shops etc since the start ? If not why not if you know it's such a great idea. Of course there is the other side that wearing it makes people do things they would due to a false sense of security, there have been quite a few studies that show when people wear helmets for bike riding or skiing they are more likely to take greater risks.I certainly do with both pastimes Yep, so when I've got my mask on I'll go round licking door handles and touching everything I possibly can.
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"So to all those who think it's a good idea and having a go at someone who doesnt support it, have you been wearing one at all times when in shops etc since the start ? If not why not if you know it's such a great idea. Of course there is the other side that wearing it makes people do things they would due to a false sense of security, there have been quite a few studies that show when people wear helmets for bike riding or skiing they are more likely to take greater risks.I certainly do with both pastimes Yep, so when I've got my mask on I'll go round licking door handles and touching everything I possibly can.
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"So to all those who think it's a good idea and having a go at someone who doesnt support it, have you been wearing one at all times when in shops etc since the start ? If not why not if you know it's such a great idea. Of course there is the other side that wearing it makes people do things they would due to a false sense of security, there have been quite a few studies that show when people wear helmets for bike riding or skiing they are more likely to take greater risks.I certainly do with both pastimes Yep, so when I've got my mask on I'll go round licking door handles and touching everything I possibly can.
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"How Desmond Swayne MP described having to wear face masks in shops. Twat? Discuss I think he was just echoing the concerns of his butler who would be doing his shopping. He probably farts in the butler's mask then makes him wear it." eugh | |||
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" It could very easily be the thin end of the wedge, think about it the public wearing a face covering would be far more effective during flue season every year than in combating Covid-19. Would everyone be happy to wear a face covering every year throughout winter?" Other countries wear masks during flu season without whining about it. If this covid epidemic makes us see such things in a more favourable light, and lives are saved, great. " What then mandatory inoculations to create herd immunity to protect the general population? Wait a minute though our track and trace is not working well let's have everyone chipped at birth so we can track them at all times, no need to bother with I.D. cards that the public rejected a few years ago. " You can always tell when someone starts of with 'what then' that they're just going to make up a load of stuff. | |||
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" It could very easily be the thin end of the wedge, think about it the public wearing a face covering would be far more effective during flue season every year than in combating Covid-19. Would everyone be happy to wear a face covering every year throughout winter? Other countries wear masks during flu season without whining about it. If this covid epidemic makes us see such things in a more favourable light, and lives are saved, great. What then mandatory inoculations to create herd immunity to protect the general population? Wait a minute though our track and trace is not working well let's have everyone chipped at birth so we can track them at all times, no need to bother with I.D. cards that the public rejected a few years ago. You can always tell when someone starts of with 'what then' that they're just going to make up a load of stuff. " “Divide and conquer” has long been the route to disharmony amongst brothers in arms. It weakens the masses to have them fight amongst themselves. It’s been tried and tested over decades. | |||
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"How Desmond Swayne MP described having to wear face masks in shops. Twat? Discuss" Have to say that we agree wholeheartedly with him | |||
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So just like the Covid free countries of Brazil, India and the USA you think wearing a mask is far more of a disturbance to your life than a deadly virus. Those idiots in Japan, Korea and Hong Kong who have had the massive number of 9 fatalities are awful dictatorships. Can I just ask a question. Do you want to buy some magic beans? | |||
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" It could very easily be the thin end of the wedge, think about it the public wearing a face covering would be far more effective during flue season every year than in combating Covid-19. Would everyone be happy to wear a face covering every year throughout winter? Other countries wear masks during flu season without whining about it. If this covid epidemic makes us see such things in a more favourable light, and lives are saved, great. What then mandatory inoculations to create herd immunity to protect the general population? Wait a minute though our track and trace is not working well let's have everyone chipped at birth so we can track them at all times, no need to bother with I.D. cards that the public rejected a few years ago. You can always tell when someone starts of with 'what then' that they're just going to make up a load of stuff. “Divide and conquer” has long been the route to disharmony amongst brothers in arms. It weakens the masses to have them fight amongst themselves. It’s been tried and tested over decades. Yes Miss information conflicting information. Thay used to use it as a form of torture, I think we are being socially conditioned for something we are not privileged to . When country's are at war thay call it propaganda. Remember the beaches, the riots. Now masks. I think thay know what's coming. Something is not right " | |||
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"can someone help me. I can't wear the face masks brought in shops they set my asthma off and noone can get them made by Friday. I am trying to do it by opening for a few days. I have my fingers crossed that I can sort it. Anyone think of another answer " Will a scarf not do? | |||
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"can someone help me. I can't wear the face masks brought in shops they set my asthma off and noone can get them made by Friday. I am trying to do it by opening for a few days. I have my fingers crossed that I can sort it. Anyone think of another answer " Use a visor instead | |||
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"This is such a joke. Okay- Lets do a timeline - govt got called out for lack of PPE at the start of the pandemic.... everyone freaked out... we had lockdown to flatten the curve and protect the NHS. Right?! So things calmed down ... virus ran it’s course, we all started to slip back into reality.... Then all of a sudden the papers started a massive shit storm about why the government wasted £15bn on PPE after the fact ... and all of a sudden it’s mandatory to wear PPE. I mean come ON! The £15bn story was swiftly brushed under the carpet, and yet again, we have normal people tearing at each other’s necks about something as stupid as a rag across the face. I’m so done with this drama. " There's 45000 families wouldn't agree with you that it's such a joke but hey ho | |||
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"This is such a joke. Okay- Lets do a timeline - govt got called out for lack of PPE at the start of the pandemic.... everyone freaked out... we had lockdown to flatten the curve and protect the NHS. Right?! So things calmed down ... virus ran it’s course, we all started to slip back into reality.... Then all of a sudden the papers started a massive shit storm about why the government wasted £15bn on PPE after the fact ... and all of a sudden it’s mandatory to wear PPE. I mean come ON! The £15bn story was swiftly brushed under the carpet, and yet again, we have normal people tearing at each other’s necks about something as stupid as a rag across the face. I’m so done with this drama. There's 45000 families wouldn't agree with you that it's such a joke but hey ho" Well that’s just ridiculous- I wasn’t saying those deaths were a joke. I’m saying that this late stage of bringing in face covering is a joke. But if you want to make false equivalence then please do crack on. Nothing more exciting than a bit of hysteria on a Wednesday evening!! | |||
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"So to all those who think it's a good idea and having a go at someone who doesnt support it, have you been wearing one at all times when in shops etc since the start ? If not why not if you know it's such a great idea. Of course there is the other side that wearing it makes people do things they would due to a false sense of security, there have been quite a few studies that show when people wear helmets for bike riding or skiing they are more likely to take greater risks.I certainly do with both pastimes Yep, so when I've got my mask on I'll go round licking door handles and touching everything I possibly can.
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"So to all those who think it's a good idea and having a go at someone who doesnt support it, have you been wearing one at all times when in shops etc since the start ? If not why not if you know it's such a great idea. Of course there is the other side that wearing it makes people do things they would due to a false sense of security, there have been quite a few studies that show when people wear helmets for bike riding or skiing they are more likely to take greater risks.I certainly do with both pastimes Yep, so when I've got my mask on I'll go round licking door handles and touching everything I possibly can.
can i have a list of your itinerary for the next week or so please??
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oh i read somewere you could possibly be touching and licking everything you could...
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"So to all those who think it's a good idea and having a go at someone who doesnt support it, have you been wearing one at all times when in shops etc since the start ? If not why not if you know it's such a great idea. Of course there is the other side that wearing it makes people do things they would due to a false sense of security, there have been quite a few studies that show when people wear helmets for bike riding or skiing they are more likely to take greater risks.I certainly do with both pastimes Yep, so when I've got my mask on I'll go round licking door handles and touching everything I possibly can.
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"All those with degrees in highly contagious diseases, please step forward with your opinion. I personally find these golden nuggets of advice from lay people so helpful! " Do you need a degree to work out that 9 is less than 45000 - ok Hong Kong is only 7 million but it is hardly sparsely populated and they all wore masks and eye coverings | |||
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"The thing is if it's airborne then it has been from the start So why isn't most of the country infected why hasn't the death rate hit the hundreds of thousands It doesn't make sense to me,by all means wear a mask if you want to but do t start saying it's saving lives as there is absolutely no scientific proof one way or the other People are flying all over the UK in tin cans with the air being 're circulated,not wearing masks!!!! Why no spike from air travel People are talking about common sense utter bull no 2 people have the same common sense I think one thing you think another The first COVID cases arrived via air travel though. So I'm struggling to see your point." Read what I said, not a struggle to understand it People are flying in house throughout the UK not wearing masks so why no spike Is there track and trace for these passengers,if so has there been any confirmed Covid cases. As I said if the disease is airborne then it has been from the start So why now wear masks I totally agree we have to be safe but this dies not add up for me Just my opinion | |||
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" It could very easily be the thin end of the wedge, think about it the public wearing a face covering would be far more effective during flue season every year than in combating Covid-19. Would everyone be happy to wear a face covering every year throughout winter? Other countries wear masks during flu season without whining about it. If this covid epidemic makes us see such things in a more favourable light, and lives are saved, great. " Who's whining, I simply posed a question? Do they or is the truth in countries like Japan and similar Asian countries it is considered part of routine positive personal hygiene practices to wear a face mask rather than to prevent the spread of flu. However it should be remembered that in Japan the wearing of masks began in the 1918 flu pandemic so it is part of the culture now. The World Health Organisation is fearful that masks could give the public "a false sense of security" that would lead to people being more casual about social distancing and hand washing. Even the Japanese Government do not get things right when paper masks sold out everywhere, the Japanese government sent cloth masks in the mail in April. The initiative, which cost about $400 million, became the butt of jokes, when people discovered the masks were too small to cover most adults’ mouths and noses. But at least they tried to do something positive. | |||
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"can someone help me. I can't wear the face masks brought in shops they set my asthma off and noone can get them made by Friday. I am trying to do it by opening for a few days. I have my fingers crossed that I can sort it. Anyone think of another answer " Nothing has changed. Doesn't have to be a mask and you could use any form of face covering such as a scarf or Bandana. | |||
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"Erm, yeah, slight difference between all the crash test dummy testing, and absolutely no evidence on face coverings. Everyone knows it's all to un scare folks back into the shops. "Seriously, what do you mean un-scare people back into the shops? Do you mean encourage people back into shops? | |||
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"So here is a good idea to reduce the severity of covid (and reduce death and illness from diabetes, heart disease etc as a bonus). Let's ask the government to make it illegal to eat more than 2500 calories a day. There is far more evidence for the benefits of this law than the face-covering law." There is alot of things that could be introduced to help reduce the effects of covid. I agree if people are OK with the mandatory enforced use of masks, then why not have fines for being severely overweight, ban smoking completely. There is a very small chance of prevention of spreading the virus by wearing a face mask of any type including just cloth ones, but there is a greater benefit from being fit, not being overweight and not smoking, all things that can be done and benefit you directly and improve your own health. Why do we tolerate smoking then, it does seem there is alot of people who deem people who don't wear a mask as idiots, but then don't hold the same opinion for let's say parents who smoke then go and breathe smoke all over thier children, people who have overweight kids. It's all about choices , if it's all about saving people and protecting you and your family and the wider society, there are better places to start that do have definitive proven evidence of doing something beneficial. | |||
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"So here is a good idea to reduce the severity of covid (and reduce death and illness from diabetes, heart disease etc as a bonus). Let's ask the government to make it illegal to eat more than 2500 calories a day. There is far more evidence for the benefits of this law than the face-covering law. There is alot of things that could be introduced to help reduce the effects of covid. I agree if people are OK with the mandatory enforced use of masks, then why not have fines for being severely overweight, ban smoking completely. There is a very small chance of prevention of spreading the virus by wearing a face mask of any type including just cloth ones, but there is a greater benefit from being fit, not being overweight and not smoking, all things that can be done and benefit you directly and improve your own health. Why do we tolerate smoking then, it does seem there is alot of people who deem people who don't wear a mask as idiots, but then don't hold the same opinion for let's say parents who smoke then go and breathe smoke all over thier children, people who have overweight kids. It's all about choices , if it's all about saving people and protecting you and your family and the wider society, there are better places to start that do have definitive proven evidence of doing something beneficial." Comparing the reducing of transmission of covid to being fat or smoking, is exactly the sort of fireside advice we should all avoid. You cannot transmit the desire to smoke or overeat, to anyone. Sure, we'll all ignore the current medical advice and follow yours. It's good to benifit from all your years of research and knowledge. I know I'm being flippant but seriously, listen to the professionals. They may not know it all and situations change but please, don't go on advice from the man in the pub or Donald Trump. A better anology is, you haven't a clue how a jet engine stays maintained (generalising). However, you know that there are mechanics trained in that. If there's a problem with the engine, on a flight, do you say to the captain, my mate says its probably a build up of soot! Or, would you seek advice from said mechanic? | |||
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"A bit of an exaggeration, I think most people who are objecting to wearing face coverings in shops are doing so as they are concerned that it could just be the start, that it's the start of a slippery slope towards becoming compulsory at all times." Why would the country with the most cctv cameras per person in the world want it to be compulsory to wear face masks at all times? | |||
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"So here is a good idea to reduce the severity of covid (and reduce death and illness from diabetes, heart disease etc as a bonus). Let's ask the government to make it illegal to eat more than 2500 calories a day. There is far more evidence for the benefits of this law than the face-covering law. There is alot of things that could be introduced to help reduce the effects of covid. I agree if people are OK with the mandatory enforced use of masks, then why not have fines for being severely overweight, ban smoking completely. There is a very small chance of prevention of spreading the virus by wearing a face mask of any type including just cloth ones, but there is a greater benefit from being fit, not being overweight and not smoking, all things that can be done and benefit you directly and improve your own health. Why do we tolerate smoking then, it does seem there is alot of people who deem people who don't wear a mask as idiots, but then don't hold the same opinion for let's say parents who smoke then go and breathe smoke all over thier children, people who have overweight kids. It's all about choices , if it's all about saving people and protecting you and your family and the wider society, there are better places to start that do have definitive proven evidence of doing something beneficial. Comparing the reducing of transmission of covid to being fat or smoking, is exactly the sort of fireside advice we should all avoid. You cannot transmit the desire to smoke or overeat, to anyone. Sure, we'll all ignore the current medical advice and follow yours. It's good to benifit from all your years of research and knowledge. I know I'm being flippant but seriously, listen to the professionals. They may not know it all and situations change but please, don't go on advice from the man in the pub or Donald Trump. A better anology is, you haven't a clue how a jet engine stays maintained (generalising). However, you know that there are mechanics trained in that. If there's a problem with the engine, on a flight, do you say to the captain, my mate says its probably a build up of soot! Or, would you seek advice from said mechanic? " I did not compare the risk of transmission. I never gave any advice to follow. I never said I had years of research. Your conclusion isn't ALL medical advice. Like you said your being flippant, but you make alot of conclusions. Why get so het up over someone's views in a public forum, also I think you missed Boris Johnson, Dominic Cummings, maybe even Priti Patel as well as the man down the pub, why not bring them all in to it as well as Trump! I never said not to wear a mask, I it's your choice and should be everyone's choice, also if you did, I would not try and belittle you for doing so. | |||
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"An MP stands up and asks a question about new law that takes your rights away and you call him a twat. Parliament as now 20 odd new laws that infringe your human rights and no one as question them, they have to be removed or debated in September. If not your rights as a citizen will be gone and the rules to control inprison without trail will be here for ever. MP need to ask questions. " I'm really confused as to how wearing a mask is losing a human right..... | |||
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"An MP stands up and asks a question about new law that takes your rights away and you call him a twat. Parliament as now 20 odd new laws that infringe your human rights and no one as question them, they have to be removed or debated in September. If not your rights as a citizen will be gone and the rules to control inprison without trail will be here for ever. MP need to ask questions. I'm really confused as to how wearing a mask is losing a human right..... "It was the same with helmets for bikes and car seatbelts...all introduced to save lives and the NHS | |||
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"How Desmond Swayne MP described having to wear face masks in shops. Twat? Discuss" . He needs to #keep the heid... | |||
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"An MP stands up and asks a question about new law that takes your rights away and you call him a twat. Parliament as now 20 odd new laws that infringe your human rights and no one as question them, they have to be removed or debated in September. If not your rights as a citizen will be gone and the rules to control inprison without trail will be here for ever. MP need to ask questions. I'm really confused as to how wearing a mask is losing a human right..... "so if you can be refused entry because of not wearing one, that's removing a right? | |||
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"An MP stands up and asks a question about new law that takes your rights away and you call him a twat. Parliament as now 20 odd new laws that infringe your human rights and no one as question them, they have to be removed or debated in September. If not your rights as a citizen will be gone and the rules to control inprison without trail will be here for ever. MP need to ask questions. I'm really confused as to how wearing a mask is losing a human right.....
It was the same with helmets for bikes and car seatbelts...all introduced to save lives and the NHS "And breathalyser tests, how cruel to introduce things that could save people's lives,shocking.... | |||
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"An MP stands up and asks a question about new law that takes your rights away and you call him a twat. Parliament as now 20 odd new laws that infringe your human rights and no one as question them, they have to be removed or debated in September. If not your rights as a citizen will be gone and the rules to control inprison without trail will be here for ever. MP need to ask questions. I'm really confused as to how wearing a mask is losing a human right.....
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"An MP stands up and asks a question about new law that takes your rights away and you call him a twat. Parliament as now 20 odd new laws that infringe your human rights and no one as question them, they have to be removed or debated in September. If not your rights as a citizen will be gone and the rules to control inprison without trail will be here for ever. MP need to ask questions. I'm really confused as to how wearing a mask is losing a human right..... so if you can be refused entry because of not wearing one, that's removing a right?"You can be refused the ability to drive a car if you haven't passed your test but it's hardly taking away your rights,more about protecting other road users or pedestrians..... | |||
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It was the same with helmets for bikes and car seatbelts...all introduced to save lives and the NHS
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"So here is a good idea to reduce the severity of covid (and reduce death and illness from diabetes, heart disease etc as a bonus). Let's ask the government to make it illegal to eat more than 2500 calories a day. There is far more evidence for the benefits of this law than the face-covering law. There is alot of things that could be introduced to help reduce the effects of covid. I agree if people are OK with the mandatory enforced use of masks, then why not have fines for being severely overweight, ban smoking completely. There is a very small chance of prevention of spreading the virus by wearing a face mask of any type including just cloth ones, but there is a greater benefit from being fit, not being overweight and not smoking, all things that can be done and benefit you directly and improve your own health. Why do we tolerate smoking then, it does seem there is alot of people who deem people who don't wear a mask as idiots, but then don't hold the same opinion for let's say parents who smoke then go and breathe smoke all over thier children, people who have overweight kids. It's all about choices , if it's all about saving people and protecting you and your family and the wider society, there are better places to start that do have definitive proven evidence of doing something beneficial. Comparing the reducing of transmission of covid to being fat or smoking, is exactly the sort of fireside advice we should all avoid. You cannot transmit the desire to smoke or overeat, to anyone. Sure, we'll all ignore the current medical advice and follow yours. It's good to benifit from all your years of research and knowledge. I know I'm being flippant but seriously, listen to the professionals. They may not know it all and situations change but please, don't go on advice from the man in the pub or Donald Trump. A better anology is, you haven't a clue how a jet engine stays maintained (generalising). However, you know that there are mechanics trained in that. If there's a problem with the engine, on a flight, do you say to the captain, my mate says its probably a build up of soot! Or, would you seek advice from said mechanic? I did not compare the risk of transmission. I never gave any advice to follow. I never said I had years of research. Your conclusion isn't ALL medical advice. Like you said your being flippant, but you make alot of conclusions. Why get so het up over someone's views in a public forum, also I think you missed Boris Johnson, Dominic Cummings, maybe even Priti Patel as well as the man down the pub, why not bring them all in to it as well as Trump! I never said not to wear a mask, I it's your choice and should be everyone's choice, also if you did, I would not try and belittle you for doing so." It's also your choice to commit murder but it has consequences. It's about everyone's welfare,not anyone's loss of freedom. Is the wearing of a seat belt a loss of personal choice or just smart? Sometimes in this world you gotta do what's good for all and not just oneself. | |||
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"An MP stands up and asks a question about new law that takes your rights away and you call him a twat. Parliament as now 20 odd new laws that infringe your human rights and no one as question them, they have to be removed or debated in September. If not your rights as a citizen will be gone and the rules to control inprison without trail will be here for ever. MP need to ask questions. I'm really confused as to how wearing a mask is losing a human right..... so if you can be refused entry because of not wearing one, that's removing a right?
You can be refused the ability to drive a car if you haven't passed your test but it's hardly taking away your rights,more about protecting other road users or pedestrians....."All these was debated and voted on with people having a say, the last new laws have not. Wake up no is asking questions but the government know best right, if you believe that lets keep them forever. | |||
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"An MP stands up and asks a question about new law that takes your rights away and you call him a twat. Parliament as now 20 odd new laws that infringe your human rights and no one as question them, they have to be removed or debated in September. If not your rights as a citizen will be gone and the rules to control inprison without trail will be here for ever. MP need to ask questions. I'm really confused as to how wearing a mask is losing a human right..... so if you can be refused entry because of not wearing one, that's removing a right?
You can be refused the ability to drive a car if you haven't passed your test but it's hardly taking away your rights,more about protecting other road users or pedestrians.....All these was debated and voted on with people having a say, the last new laws have not. Wake up no is asking questions but the government know best right, if you believe that lets keep them forever. "We are in strange times...and I'm by no means a fan of boris but we are stuck with him. I think face coverings should have been worn since march but it's better late then never eh | |||
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"An MP stands up and asks a question about new law that takes your rights away and you call him a twat. Parliament as now 20 odd new laws that infringe your human rights and no one as question them, they have to be removed or debated in September. If not your rights as a citizen will be gone and the rules to control inprison without trail will be here for ever. MP need to ask questions. I'm really confused as to how wearing a mask is losing a human right..... so if you can be refused entry because of not wearing one, that's removing a right?
You can be refused the ability to drive a car if you haven't passed your test but it's hardly taking away your rights,more about protecting other road users or pedestrians.....All these was debated and voted on with people having a say, the last new laws have not. Wake up no is asking questions but the government know best right, if you believe that lets keep them forever.
We are in strange times...and I'm by no means a fan of boris but we are stuck with him. I think face coverings should have been worn since march but it's better late then never eh"Its a joke you can make your own mask, people are now making masks from old net curtains. The rules state that's OK, it's not about safety it's about looking like they are doing something. But sheep are easily lead. | |||
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"An MP stands up and asks a question about new law that takes your rights away and you call him a twat. Parliament as now 20 odd new laws that infringe your human rights and no one as question them, they have to be removed or debated in September. If not your rights as a citizen will be gone and the rules to control inprison without trail will be here for ever. MP need to ask questions. I'm really confused as to how wearing a mask is losing a human right..... so if you can be refused entry because of not wearing one, that's removing a right?
You can be refused the ability to drive a car if you haven't passed your test but it's hardly taking away your rights,more about protecting other road users or pedestrians.....All these was debated and voted on with people having a say, the last new laws have not. Wake up no is asking questions but the government know best right, if you believe that lets keep them forever.
We are in strange times...and I'm by no means a fan of boris but we are stuck with him. I think face coverings should have been worn since march but it's better late then never ehIts a joke you can make your own mask, people are now making masks from old net curtains. The rules state that's OK, it's not about safety it's about looking like they are doing something. But sheep are easily lead."I'm hardly a sheep as I was the only one in town before lockdown with a mask on...but exact to thier own views eh | |||
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You can be refused the ability to drive a car if you haven't passed your test but it's hardly taking away your rights,more about protecting other road users or pedestrians.....All these was debated and voted on with people having a say, the last new laws have not. Wake up no is asking questions but the government know best right, if you believe that lets keep them forever. "But ultimately whose best interests did those laws have in mind? I am no fan of our government at all but I think protecting ourselves and each other is more important than anything else, if my wearing a mask, seatbelt,passing a driving test,getting my car MOT'd, not drinking and driving etc etc saves at least one person's life then I'm more than happy to follow those rules set by me by someone else.... | |||
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You can be refused the ability to drive a car if you haven't passed your test but it's hardly taking away your rights,more about protecting other road users or pedestrians.....All these was debated and voted on with people having a say, the last new laws have not. Wake up no is asking questions but the government know best right, if you believe that lets keep them forever.
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I am no fan of our government at all but I think protecting ourselves and each other is more important than anything else, if my wearing a mask, seatbelt,passing a driving test,getting my car MOT'd, not drinking and driving etc etc saves at least one person's life then I'm more than happy to follow those rules set by me by someone else...."Set FOR me not by me!!! | |||
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"So here is a good idea to reduce the severity of covid (and reduce death and illness from diabetes, heart disease etc as a bonus). Let's ask the government to make it illegal to eat more than 2500 calories a day. There is far more evidence for the benefits of this law than the face-covering law. There is alot of things that could be introduced to help reduce the effects of covid. I agree if people are OK with the mandatory enforced use of masks, then why not have fines for being severely overweight, ban smoking completely. There is a very small chance of prevention of spreading the virus by wearing a face mask of any type including just cloth ones, but there is a greater benefit from being fit, not being overweight and not smoking, all things that can be done and benefit you directly and improve your own health. Why do we tolerate smoking then, it does seem there is alot of people who deem people who don't wear a mask as idiots, but then don't hold the same opinion for let's say parents who smoke then go and breathe smoke all over thier children, people who have overweight kids. It's all about choices , if it's all about saving people and protecting you and your family and the wider society, there are better places to start that do have definitive proven evidence of doing something beneficial. Comparing the reducing of transmission of covid to being fat or smoking, is exactly the sort of fireside advice we should all avoid. You cannot transmit the desire to smoke or overeat, to anyone. Sure, we'll all ignore the current medical advice and follow yours. It's good to benifit from all your years of research and knowledge. I know I'm being flippant but seriously, listen to the professionals. They may not know it all and situations change but please, don't go on advice from the man in the pub or Donald Trump. A better anology is, you haven't a clue how a jet engine stays maintained (generalising). However, you know that there are mechanics trained in that. If there's a problem with the engine, on a flight, do you say to the captain, my mate says its probably a build up of soot! Or, would you seek advice from said mechanic? I did not compare the risk of transmission. I never gave any advice to follow. I never said I had years of research. Your conclusion isn't ALL medical advice. Like you said your being flippant, but you make alot of conclusions. Why get so het up over someone's views in a public forum, also I think you missed Boris Johnson, Dominic Cummings, maybe even Priti Patel as well as the man down the pub, why not bring them all in to it as well as Trump! I never said not to wear a mask, I it's your choice and should be everyone's choice, also if you did, I would not try and belittle you for doing so. It's also your choice to commit murder but it has consequences. It's about everyone's welfare,not anyone's loss of freedom. Is the as been broughtwearing of a seat belt a loss of personal choice or just smart? Sometimes in this world you gotta do what's good for all and not just oneself. " Wow, murder now is in the conversation! Any more escalation..... what about being a serial murderer! All this from just wearing a mask in a shop, not a pub nor a restaurant, just a shop. Like I say I'm not making a judgement of anyone not being 'smart' by choosing not to wear a mask, all I said it should be a choice, that's all just a simple personal opinion, I don't see the need to belittle anyone's views who don't conform to your own, quite sad in a way how many topics on the virus section just get a very narrowpoint of view, because a few very vocal contributers make it a personal mission that everyone should be in agreement with them and everyone else is selfish, stupid, nasty, etc. | |||
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"So here is a good idea to reduce the severity of covid (and reduce death and illness from diabetes, heart disease etc as a bonus). Let's ask the government to make it illegal to eat more than 2500 calories a day. There is far more evidence for the benefits of this law than the face-covering law. There is alot of things that could be introduced to help reduce the effects of covid. I agree if people are OK with the mandatory enforced use of masks, then why not have fines for being severely overweight, ban smoking completely. There is a very small chance of prevention of spreading the virus by wearing a face mask of any type including just cloth ones, but there is a greater benefit from being fit, not being overweight and not smoking, all things that can be done and benefit you directly and improve your own health. Why do we tolerate smoking then, it does seem there is alot of people who deem people who don't wear a mask as idiots, but then don't hold the same opinion for let's say parents who smoke then go and breathe smoke all over thier children, people who have overweight kids. It's all about choices , if it's all about saving people and protecting you and your family and the wider society, there are better places to start that do have definitive proven evidence of doing something beneficial. Comparing the reducing of transmission of covid to being fat or smoking, is exactly the sort of fireside advice we should all avoid. You cannot transmit the desire to smoke or overeat, to anyone. Sure, we'll all ignore the current medical advice and follow yours. It's good to benifit from all your years of research and knowledge. I know I'm being flippant but seriously, listen to the professionals. They may not know it all and situations change but please, don't go on advice from the man in the pub or Donald Trump. A better anology is, you haven't a clue how a jet engine stays maintained (generalising). However, you know that there are mechanics trained in that. If there's a problem with the engine, on a flight, do you say to the captain, my mate says its probably a build up of soot! Or, would you seek advice from said mechanic? " I don't dispute that wearing a mask might marginally reduce the spread of the virus. What I object to is people supporting freedom limiting new laws of marginal benefit whilst at the same time dismissing other freedom limiting laws which would have a much greater benefit. | |||
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"So here is a good idea to reduce the severity of covid (and reduce death and illness from diabetes, heart disease etc as a bonus). Let's ask the government to make it illegal to eat more than 2500 calories a day. There is far more evidence for the benefits of this law than the face-covering law. There is alot of things that could be introduced to help reduce the effects of covid. I agree if people are OK with the mandatory enforced use of masks, then why not have fines for being severely overweight, ban smoking completely. There is a very small chance of prevention of spreading the virus by wearing a face mask of any type including just cloth ones, but there is a greater benefit from being fit, not being overweight and not smoking, all things that can be done and benefit you directly and improve your own health. Why do we tolerate smoking then, it does seem there is alot of people who deem people who don't wear a mask as idiots, but then don't hold the same opinion for let's say parents who smoke then go and breathe smoke all over thier children, people who have overweight kids. It's all about choices , if it's all about saving people and protecting you and your family and the wider society, there are better places to start that do have definitive proven evidence of doing something beneficial. Comparing the reducing of transmission of covid to being fat or smoking, is exactly the sort of fireside advice we should all avoid. You cannot transmit the desire to smoke or overeat, to anyone. Sure, we'll all ignore the current medical advice and follow yours. It's good to benifit from all your years of research and knowledge. I know I'm being flippant but seriously, listen to the professionals. They may not know it all and situations change but please, don't go on advice from the man in the pub or Donald Trump. A better anology is, you haven't a clue how a jet engine stays maintained (generalising). However, you know that there are mechanics trained in that. If there's a problem with the engine, on a flight, do you say to the captain, my mate says its probably a build up of soot! Or, would you seek advice from said mechanic? I don't dispute that wearing a mask might marginally reduce the spread of the virus. What I object to is people supporting freedom limiting new laws of marginal benefit whilst at the same time dismissing other freedom limiting laws which would have a much greater benefit." What freedom limiting laws would have a much greater benefit? | |||
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"So to all those who think it's a good idea and having a go at someone who doesnt support it, have you been wearing one at all times when in shops etc since the start ? If not why not if you know it's such a great idea. Of course there is the other side that wearing it makes people do things they would due to a false sense of security, there have been quite a few studies that show when people wear helmets for bike riding or skiing they are more likely to take greater risks.I certainly do with both pastimes Yep, so when I've got my mask on I'll go round licking door handles and touching everything I possibly can.
can i have a list of your itinerary for the next week or so please??
And why would you need that?
oh i read somewere you could possibly be touching and licking everything you could...
Pervert!
whats your argument? "No argument, welcome to the club! | |||
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"So to all those who think it's a good idea and having a go at someone who doesnt support it, have you been wearing one at all times when in shops etc since the start ? If not why not if you know it's such a great idea. Of course there is the other side that wearing it makes people do things they would due to a false sense of security, there have been quite a few studies that show when people wear helmets for bike riding or skiing they are more likely to take greater risks.I certainly do with both pastimes Yep, so when I've got my mask on I'll go round licking door handles and touching everything I possibly can.
can i have a list of your itinerary for the next week or so please??
And why would you need that?
oh i read somewere you could possibly be touching and licking everything you could...
Pervert!
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"So here is a good idea to reduce the severity of covid (and reduce death and illness from diabetes, heart disease etc as a bonus). Let's ask the government to make it illegal to eat more than 2500 calories a day. There is far more evidence for the benefits of this law than the face-covering law. There is alot of things that could be introduced to help reduce the effects of covid. I agree if people are OK with the mandatory enforced use of masks, then why not have fines for being severely overweight, ban smoking completely. There is a very small chance of prevention of spreading the virus by wearing a face mask of any type including just cloth ones, but there is a greater benefit from being fit, not being overweight and not smoking, all things that can be done and benefit you directly and improve your own health. Why do we tolerate smoking then, it does seem there is alot of people who deem people who don't wear a mask as idiots, but then don't hold the same opinion for let's say parents who smoke then go and breathe smoke all over thier children, people who have overweight kids. It's all about choices , if it's all about saving people and protecting you and your family and the wider society, there are better places to start that do have definitive proven evidence of doing something beneficial. Comparing the reducing of transmission of covid to being fat or smoking, is exactly the sort of fireside advice we should all avoid. You cannot transmit the desire to smoke or overeat, to anyone. Sure, we'll all ignore the current medical advice and follow yours. It's good to benifit from all your years of research and knowledge. I know I'm being flippant but seriously, listen to the professionals. They may not know it all and situations change but please, don't go on advice from the man in the pub or Donald Trump. A better anology is, you haven't a clue how a jet engine stays maintained (generalising). However, you know that there are mechanics trained in that. If there's a problem with the engine, on a flight, do you say to the captain, my mate says its probably a build up of soot! Or, would you seek advice from said mechanic? I don't dispute that wearing a mask might marginally reduce the spread of the virus. What I object to is people supporting freedom limiting new laws of marginal benefit whilst at the same time dismissing other freedom limiting laws which would have a much greater benefit. What freedom limiting laws would have a much greater benefit?" In a nutshell, food rationing. | |||
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"An MP stands up and asks a question about new law that takes your rights away and you call him a twat. Parliament as now 20 odd new laws that infringe your human rights and no one as question them, they have to be removed or debated in September. If not your rights as a citizen will be gone and the rules to control inprison without trail will be here for ever. MP need to ask questions. I'm really confused as to how wearing a mask is losing a human right..... "Me too. Mind boggling. | |||
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"A bit of an exaggeration, I think most people who are objecting to wearing face coverings in shops are doing so as they are concerned that it could just be the start, that it's the start of a slippery slope towards becoming compulsory at all times. I think we do need to be careful of accepting without question things that are presented to us as being in our own interest. I agree with face coverings in shops as long as it doesn't make people feel they're invincible. Yes, but surely the growing evidence from scientists, the rest of the world and just good old common sense, should make us realise it's probably not a bad idea. I know science and experts are not very fashionable at the mo!! "And also not all scientists and experts think it's a good idea. I don't particularly like wearing the masks, they cause me to come out in a rash around my mouth. Í'm also not totally convinced that they do actually provide much protection either to the wearer or those around them. I believe this is just another attempt by the government to look like it's doing something when it's actually doing nothing. If we really want to make it safer in shops why not follow the example of countries that have been reasonably successful in dealing with this outbreak. That may involve face masks as an additional measures but more importantly it involves mass testing everyone often, including temperature checks at the entrance to shops and on public transport. You may not catch everyone because some people are asymptomatic but you'll catch anyone who's actually ill. And an ill symptomatic person is a lot more contagious, even with a mask, than an asymptomatic person without. | |||
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"An MP stands up and asks a question about new law that takes your rights away and you call him a twat. Parliament as now 20 odd new laws that infringe your human rights and no one as question them, they have to be removed or debated in September. If not your rights as a citizen will be gone and the rules to control inprison without trail will be here for ever. MP need to ask questions. I'm really confused as to how wearing a mask is losing a human right.....
Me too. Mind boggling. "More pedestrians are injured in falls than cyclists, let's make it compulsory to wear a protective helmet when walking. It would also save the lives of people who get punched and fall backwards and hit their head. Better still, let's require everyone to wear a full face helmet to prevent people being punched. Wait, let's make stab vests compulsory as well to prevent injuries from knife crime. | |||
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"An MP stands up and asks a question about new law that takes your rights away and you call him a twat. Parliament as now 20 odd new laws that infringe your human rights and no one as question them, they have to be removed or debated in September. If not your rights as a citizen will be gone and the rules to control inprison without trail will be here for ever. MP need to ask questions. I'm really confused as to how wearing a mask is losing a human right.....
Me too. Mind boggling.
More pedestrians are injured in falls than cyclists, let's make it compulsory to wear a protective helmet when walking. It would also save the lives of people who get punched and fall backwards and hit their head. Better still, let's require everyone to wear a full face helmet to prevent people being punched. Wait, let's make stab vests compulsory as well to prevent injuries from knife crime."No sharp knives to be sold and bubblewrapp jackets mandatory, as well and just incase for those who find those bubblewrapp popping thuggs offensive and really really horrible people, well they ought to by outcast from society and fined heavily. | |||
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"An MP stands up and asks a question about new law that takes your rights away and you call him a twat. Parliament as now 20 odd new laws that infringe your human rights and no one as question them, they have to be removed or debated in September. If not your rights as a citizen will be gone and the rules to control inprison without trail will be here for ever. MP need to ask questions. I'm really confused as to how wearing a mask is losing a human right.....
Me too. Mind boggling.
More pedestrians are injured in falls than cyclists, let's make it compulsory to wear a protective helmet when walking. It would also save the lives of people who get punched and fall backwards and hit their head. Better still, let's require everyone to wear a full face helmet to prevent people being punched. Wait, let's make stab vests compulsory as well to prevent injuries from knife crime.
No sharp knives to be sold and bubblewrapp jackets mandatory, as well and just incase for those who find those bubblewrapp popping thuggs offensive and really really horrible people, well they ought to by outcast from society and fined heavily."None of these that you mention are a highly contagious and to some a killer disease. Your argument is complete nonsense. | |||
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"OK so the government haha I mean the bullshiters says wear a mask and save lives. So I work in a shop for 8 hour's no mask required, then i clock off and have to wear a mask to do my shopping. Anyway one see the something wrong here, no ok just wear the mask like a good sheep. " Your life, you take the risk. You get and pass it, then you risk others including your own family. If you're fine with that, we'll done, you've exercised your rights. Better being a live sheep than a dead free spirit. | |||
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"An MP stands up and asks a question about new law that takes your rights away and you call him a twat. Parliament as now 20 odd new laws that infringe your human rights and no one as question them, they have to be removed or debated in September. If not your rights as a citizen will be gone and the rules to control inprison without trail will be here for ever. MP need to ask questions. I'm really confused as to how wearing a mask is losing a human right.....
Me too. Mind boggling.
More pedestrians are injured in falls than cyclists, let's make it compulsory to wear a protective helmet when walking. It would also save the lives of people who get punched and fall backwards and hit their head. Better still, let's require everyone to wear a full face helmet to prevent people being punched. Wait, let's make stab vests compulsory as well to prevent injuries from knife crime.
No sharp knives to be sold and bubblewrapp jackets mandatory, as well and just incase for those who find those bubblewrapp popping thuggs offensive and really really horrible people, well they ought to by outcast from society and fined heavily.
None of these that you mention are a highly contagious and to some a killer disease. Your argument is complete nonsense. "Maybe I'm being flippant, then again if I were a murderer that drove to commit my crime and didn't wear a seat belt on the way, now that would be wrekless! Only for some it's an argument...., maybe the most contagious thing is always trying to belittle and not actually take on board others opinions. | |||
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"OK so the government haha I mean the bullshiters says wear a mask and save lives. So I work in a shop for 8 hour's no mask required, then i clock off and have to wear a mask to do my shopping. Anyway one see the something wrong here, no ok just wear the mask like a good sheep. Your life, you take the risk. You get and pass it, then you risk others including your own family. If you're fine with that, we'll done, you've exercised your rights. Better being a live sheep than a dead free spirit. " See you don't see it there's no hope. | |||
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"An MP stands up and asks a question about new law that takes your rights away and you call him a twat. Parliament as now 20 odd new laws that infringe your human rights and no one as question them, they have to be removed or debated in September. If not your rights as a citizen will be gone and the rules to control inprison without trail will be here for ever. MP need to ask questions. I'm really confused as to how wearing a mask is losing a human right.....
Me too. Mind boggling. "I’ve just had a look at the actual human rights act to see if any of the acts would be applicable. Interestingly, any that I thought “may” be applicable all come with pretty much the same caveat of; “unless that person is likely to spread disease”. (Or words time that effect). | |||
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"An MP stands up and asks a question about new law that takes your rights away and you call him a twat. Parliament as now 20 odd new laws that infringe your human rights and no one as question them, they have to be removed or debated in September. If not your rights as a citizen will be gone and the rules to control inprison without trail will be here for ever. MP need to ask questions. I'm really confused as to how wearing a mask is losing a human right.....
Me too. Mind boggling.
I’ve just had a look at the actual human rights act to see if any of the acts would be applicable. Interestingly, any that I thought “may” be applicable all come with pretty much the same caveat of; “unless that person is likely to spread disease”. (Or words time that effect). "I guess that clarifies the issue then. Nothing to do with rights! | |||
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"An MP stands up and asks a question about new law that takes your rights away and you call him a twat. Parliament as now 20 odd new laws that infringe your human rights and no one as question them, they have to be removed or debated in September. If not your rights as a citizen will be gone and the rules to control inprison without trail will be here for ever. MP need to ask questions. I'm really confused as to how wearing a mask is losing a human right.....
Me too. Mind boggling.
I’ve just had a look at the actual human rights act to see if any of the acts would be applicable. Interestingly, any that I thought “may” be applicable all come with pretty much the same caveat of; “unless that person is likely to spread disease”. (Or words time that effect).
I guess that clarifies the issue then. Nothing to do with rights!
"Wouldn't you like to erect a sign that says absolutely no jumping off the cliff and see how many eejits would protest its a human right and watch them jump | |||
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"An MP stands up and asks a question about new law that takes your rights away and you call him a twat. Parliament as now 20 odd new laws that infringe your human rights and no one as question them, they have to be removed or debated in September. If not your rights as a citizen will be gone and the rules to control inprison without trail will be here for ever. MP need to ask questions. I'm really confused as to how wearing a mask is losing a human right.....
Me too. Mind boggling.
I’ve just had a look at the actual human rights act to see if any of the acts would be applicable. Interestingly, any that I thought “may” be applicable all come with pretty much the same caveat of; “unless that person is likely to spread disease”. (Or words time that effect).
I guess that clarifies the issue then. Nothing to do with rights!
Wouldn't you like to erect a sign that says absolutely no jumping off the cliff and see how many eejits would protest its a human right and watch them jump "But the sign doesn't say it ok if you work there. | |||
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"An MP stands up and asks a question about new law that takes your rights away and you call him a twat. Parliament as now 20 odd new laws that infringe your human rights and no one as question them, they have to be removed or debated in September. If not your rights as a citizen will be gone and the rules to control inprison without trail will be here for ever. MP need to ask questions. I'm really confused as to how wearing a mask is losing a human right.....
Me too. Mind boggling.
I’ve just had a look at the actual human rights act to see if any of the acts would be applicable. Interestingly, any that I thought “may” be applicable all come with pretty much the same caveat of; “unless that person is likely to spread disease”. (Or words time that effect).
I guess that clarifies the issue then. Nothing to do with rights!
Wouldn't you like to erect a sign that says absolutely no jumping off the cliff and see how many eejits would protest its a human right and watch them jump But the sign doesn't say it ok if you work there. "You can choose to wear a mask at work. | |||
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"An MP stands up and asks a question about new law that takes your rights away and you call him a twat. Parliament as now 20 odd new laws that infringe your human rights and no one as question them, they have to be removed or debated in September. If not your rights as a citizen will be gone and the rules to control inprison without trail will be here for ever. MP need to ask questions. I'm really confused as to how wearing a mask is losing a human right.....
Me too. Mind boggling.
More pedestrians are injured in falls than cyclists, let's make it compulsory to wear a protective helmet when walking. It would also save the lives of people who get punched and fall backwards and hit their head. Better still, let's require everyone to wear a full face helmet to prevent people being punched. Wait, let's make stab vests compulsory as well to prevent injuries from knife crime."That's just being cynical | |||
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"OK so the government haha I mean the bullshiters says wear a mask and save lives. So I work in a shop for 8 hour's no mask required, then i clock off and have to wear a mask to do my shopping. Anyway one see the something wrong here, no ok just wear the mask like a good sheep. " "....Anyway one see the something wrong here...." No I don't see anything wrong since nobody stopped you from wearing a mask at the shop. | |||
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"OK so the government haha I mean the bullshiters says wear a mask and save lives. So I work in a shop for 8 hour's no mask required, then i clock off and have to wear a mask to do my shopping. Anyway one see the something wrong here, no ok just wear the mask like a good sheep. "....Anyway one see the something wrong here...." No I don't see anything wrong since nobody stopped you from wearing a mask at the shop." Quite right | |||
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