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Guidance vs Law COVID19 (England).
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By *tvB21 OP Man
over a year ago
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Afternoon all. I've seen many a post stating that we must follow the rules about social distancing, 2 metre, 1 metre +,two households, 6 people max etc etc.
Whilst I fully appreciate everyone's circumstances are different and each and everyone will make decisions based on their own interests the above is guidance only. Just because Boris, Gove, Raab or any other minister tells you you have to do it, in fact you dont.
As of 00.01hrs on 4th July you can actually have 30 people in your house or any other place as long as it isnt a business or voluntary sector event (think rave, sauna, swingers club etc). |
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By *tvB21 OP Man
over a year ago
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What are they going to police? Its fact as written down in The Health Protection (Coronavirus) Regulations 2020. Merely posting fact as oppose to all the fiction out there. Knowledge is power  |
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"What are they going to police? Its fact as written down in The Health Protection (Coronavirus) Regulations 2020. Merely posting fact as oppose to all the fiction out there.
Knowledge is power "
True, it can also be dangerous too. |
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"What are they going to police? Its fact as written down in The Health Protection (Coronavirus) Regulations 2020. Merely posting fact as oppose to all the fiction out there. Knowledge is power "
Mate I'm with you, but you'll be battered by the Covid19 police users on here. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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You should also point out, that just because something is a law that doesn't mean it is automatically right/true/correct. It just means if you break it, the state is meant to punish you. |
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By *tvB21 OP Man
over a year ago
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"You should also point out, that just because something is a law that doesn't mean it is automatically right/true/correct. It just means if you break it, the state is meant to punish you. "
I wholeheartedly agree and it's open to interpretation hence we have case law. I feel the need to stress I was merely pointing out law vs guidance........again |
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"Knowledge is dangerous? So on the flip side ignorance is safe? - have a day off mate, the post clearly states each to their own when assessing risk. "
You've never heard the phrase a little knowledge is dangerous?  |
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"Knowledge is dangerous? So on the flip side ignorance is safe? - have a day off mate, the post clearly states each to their own when assessing risk.
You've never heard the phrase a little knowledge is dangerous? "
Is that from the same book as ignorance is bliss.  |
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By *tvB21 OP Man
over a year ago
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"Knowledge is dangerous? So on the flip side ignorance is safe? - have a day off mate, the post clearly states each to their own when assessing risk.
You've never heard the phrase a little knowledge is dangerous?
Is that from the same book as ignorance is bliss. "
Ok gents, clearly opinions differ and anyone with one differing from yours isnt entitled to merely point out fact from fiction. I'll continue to keep informed and follow 'law' and some guidance as I see fit. After all I can view and buy a stranger's house, buya car, go to the pub, fly off to a foreign land, yet the guidance states I cant see more than 6 of my family at once, hmmm.. Enjoy |
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"Knowledge is dangerous? So on the flip side ignorance is safe? - have a day off mate, the post clearly states each to their own when assessing risk.
You've never heard the phrase a little knowledge is dangerous?
Is that from the same book as ignorance is bliss.
Ok gents, clearly opinions differ and anyone with one differing from yours isnt entitled to merely point out fact from fiction. I'll continue to keep informed and follow 'law' and some guidance as I see fit. After all I can view and buy a stranger's house, buya car, go to the pub, fly off to a foreign land, yet the guidance states I cant see more than 6 of my family at once, hmmm.. Enjoy "
Spot on mate |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"You should also point out, that just because something is a law that doesn't mean it is automatically right/true/correct. It just means if you break it, the state is meant to punish you. "
Unless you need to drive 30 miles to test your eyesight. |
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"You should also point out, that just because something is a law that doesn't mean it is automatically right/true/correct. It just means if you break it, the state is meant to punish you.
Unless you need to drive 30 miles to test your eyesight."
The point is..... he didn't break any law, just guidance |
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By *tvB21 OP Man
over a year ago
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"You should also point out, that just because something is a law that doesn't mean it is automatically right/true/correct. It just means if you break it, the state is meant to punish you.
Unless you need to drive 30 miles to test your eyesight.
The point is..... he didn't break any law, just guidance
Nope I'm pretty sure there is legislation and case law to say you cant drive to test your eyesight. Forget covid, traffic law would have sufficed, especially along with a confession/admission on live tv! "
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"You should also point out, that just because something is a law that doesn't mean it is automatically right/true/correct. It just means if you break it, the state is meant to punish you.
Unless you need to drive 30 miles to test your eyesight.
The point is..... he didn't break any law, just guidance
Nope I'm pretty sure there is legislation and case law to say you cant drive to test your eyesight. Forget covid, traffic law would have sufficed, especially along with a confession/admission on live tv!
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So the eyesight was the issue not the Covid OK understood. What if his eyesight was ok and he just said he was testing his eyes |
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By *tvB21 OP Man
over a year ago
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"You should also point out, that just because something is a law that doesn't mean it is automatically right/true/correct. It just means if you break it, the state is meant to punish you.
Unless you need to drive 30 miles to test your eyesight.
The point is..... he didn't break any law, just guidance
Nope I'm pretty sure there is legislation and case law to say you cant drive to test your eyesight. Forget covid, traffic law would have sufficed, especially along with a confession/admission on live tv!
So the eyesight was the issue not the Covid OK understood. What if his eyesight was ok and he just said he was testing his eyes "
Well I'm if the opinion that durham police bottled it and should have prosecuted for driving without due care and attention at the very least. His admission in his live televised press conference would assume be an issue for the court to determine. I'd have at least liked to have seen it get that far (which it would have had been you or i).........irrespective of political persuasions |
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The point is..... he didn't break any law, just guidance
Nope I'm pretty sure there is legislation and case law to say you cant drive to test your eyesight. Forget covid, traffic law would have sufficed, especially along with a confession/admission on live tv!
So the eyesight was the issue not the Covid OK understood. What if his eyesight was ok and he just said he was testing his eyes
Well I'm if the opinion that durham police bottled it and should have prosecuted for driving without due care and attention at the very least. His admission in his live televised press conference would assume be an issue for the court to determine. I'd have at least liked to have seen it get that far (which it would have had been you or i).........irrespective of political persuasions "
Now you're just being silly, we would never have had a press conference to incriminate ourselves |
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By *tvB21 OP Man
over a year ago
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The point is..... he didn't break any law, just guidance
Nope I'm pretty sure there is legislation and case law to say you cant drive to test your eyesight. Forget covid, traffic law would have sufficed, especially along with a confession/admission on live tv!
So the eyesight was the issue not the Covid OK understood. What if his eyesight was ok and he just said he was testing his eyes
Well I'm if the opinion that durham police bottled it and should have prosecuted for driving without due care and attention at the very least. His admission in his live televised press conference would assume be an issue for the court to determine. I'd have at least liked to have seen it get that far (which it would have had been you or i).........irrespective of political persuasions
Now you're just being silly, we would never have had a press conference to incriminate ourselves"
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Maybe the guidance should be made law to avoid ambiguity. This would then lead to how do you police it as although I'm sure most people dont actively seek to break the law it can inadvertently happen. I guess we need to rely on common sense and, as people have said, everyone makes up there own mind depending on their circumstances but I would add the caviat, as long as their choice doesn't affect other people. |
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By *tvB21 OP Man
over a year ago
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"Maybe the guidance should be made law to avoid ambiguity. This would then lead to how do you police it as although I'm sure most people dont actively seek to break the law it can inadvertently happen. I guess we need to rely on common sense and, as people have said, everyone makes up there own mind depending on their circumstances but I would add the caviat, as long as their choice doesn't affect other people."
That's my point which regrettably seems to have been lost on some. Its the ambiguity between statements like 'you must' do this, do that from politicians yet actually reading the actual legislation is something completely different. Policing it would be impossible considering everything that is law is summarily only. |
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I've not studied these laws and guidelines and have seen the likely contradictipns and peculiarities amongst different parts.
The public de need simple rules to follow, when complex issues require mass adherence to measures at urgent crisis points. It's always better to have buy-in than forcing people to do things against their will. Occasionally a stark black and white rule is helpful to prevent danger.
We've been rather mixed with messages. Some people would have preferred to be bound by law, as strict unwavering certainty.laced with fear of doing wrong. The population generally were very compliant.
As rates decline, it's likely that most people won't need to be cajoled to abide by the rules, to prevent huge volumes of infection. It's probably just small pockets of activities that may pose hazards.
With such an important and for many, an emotional subject, it's healthier for society to have the majority behaving with the same mindset. I do my own thing, wanting to keep myself and others safe and respect others, even though some differ in outlook and principles. It comes as little surprise if some of the government plans and implementation are somewhat of mixed quality though |
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"Maybe the guidance should be made law to avoid ambiguity. This would then lead to how do you police it as although I'm sure most people dont actively seek to break the law it can inadvertently happen. I guess we need to rely on common sense and, as people have said, everyone makes up there own mind depending on their circumstances but I would add the caviat, as long as their choice doesn't affect other people."
And there's the issue. As some people. Who come across as rather selfish because their statement is... "I'll do what I want to do and fuck everyone else"... The virus is still out there and still being spread in stupidly high numbers. If the numbers were lower I could get on board with a bit more freedom of movement et al |
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"Maybe the guidance should be made law to avoid ambiguity. This would then lead to how do you police it as although I'm sure most people dont actively seek to break the law it can inadvertently happen. I guess we need to rely on common sense and, as people have said, everyone makes up there own mind depending on their circumstances but I would add the caviat, as long as their choice doesn't affect other people.
And there's the issue. As some people. Who come across as rather selfish because their statement is... "I'll do what I want to do and fuck everyone else"... The virus is still out there and still being spread in stupidly high numbers. If the numbers were lower I could get on board with a bit more freedom of movement et al"
...hence my caviat of their choice not affecting other people. The human race is one big community and we should be looking out for each other, not just ourselves. |
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"Knowledge is dangerous? So on the flip side ignorance is safe? - have a day off mate, the post clearly states each to their own when assessing risk.
You've never heard the phrase a little knowledge is dangerous? "
Yes, a first aid tutor told me that years ago. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Knowledge is dangerous? So on the flip side ignorance is safe? - have a day off mate, the post clearly states each to their own when assessing risk.
You've never heard the phrase a little knowledge is dangerous?
Is that from the same book as ignorance is bliss.
Ok gents, clearly opinions differ and anyone with one differing from yours isnt entitled to merely point out fact from fiction. I'll continue to keep informed and follow 'law' and some guidance as I see fit. After all I can view and buy a stranger's house, buya car, go to the pub, fly off to a foreign land, yet the guidance states I cant see more than 6 of my family at once, hmmm.. Enjoy "
So does that mean I cant go on holiday with 7 member of my family? It’s a bit like you can get a driving lesson but can’t walk your daughter down the aisle on her wedding day |
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