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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-government-overstated-number-of-people-tested-by-up-to-200-000-12025912
I wish they would stop showing up this government... |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Their role is to educate the public. If numbers have been wrong they have every right to."
Yep, but just wait for somebody to defend it.....and they will... |
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By *arksxMan
over a year ago
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I'm scratching my head to see what your issue is?
Sky has a produced an article that from a cursory glance shows the government have been lying to push their agenda (nothing new there)
So you dont like that sky news is critical? That's freedom of press, they can and should hold them to account
The reason sky and other media outlets write divisive pieces. Is because they cause partisan opinions.
Media outlets are advertising billboards they are in the business of getting eyes on their website.
They dont care what people think, just as long as they are looking. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I'm scratching my head to see what your issue is?
Sky has a produced an article that from a cursory glance shows the government have been lying to push their agenda (nothing new there)
So you dont like that sky news is critical? That's freedom of press, they can and should hold them to account
The reason sky and other media outlets write divisive pieces. Is because they cause partisan opinions.
Media outlets are advertising billboards they are in the business of getting eyes on their website.
They dont care what people think, just as long as they are looking."
Sorry, I was being sarcastic. A lot of people on here defend this government no matter what. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Let's just call a truce. We have vastly differing political opinions, but it should not get personal. We should at least be able to have a ding dong but a laugh as well. If I offended you, sorry. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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Let's just call a truce. We have vastly differing political opinions, but it should not get personal. We should at least be able to have a ding dong but a laugh as well. If I offended you, sorry."
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Let's just call a truce. We have vastly differing political opinions, but it should not get personal. We should at least be able to have a ding dong but a laugh as well. If I offended you, sorry.
Accepted. "
Cool, it's a sunny day, too nice to be nasty!!!!  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Let's just call a truce. We have vastly differing political opinions, but it should not get personal. We should at least be able to have a ding dong but a laugh as well. If I offended you, sorry.
Accepted.
Cool, it's a sunny day, too nice to be nasty!!!! "
Aww  
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"I'm scratching my head to see what your issue is?
Sky has a produced an article that from a cursory glance shows the government have been lying to push their agenda (nothing new there)
So you dont like that sky news is critical? That's freedom of press, they can and should hold them to account
The reason sky and other media outlets write divisive pieces. Is because they cause partisan opinions.
Media outlets are advertising billboards they are in the business of getting eyes on their website.
They dont care what people think, just as long as they are looking.
Sorry, I was being sarcastic. A lot of people on here defend this government no matter what."
I wonder how much more sarcastic you needed to be for others to pick up on it? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-government-overstated-number-of-people-tested-by-up-to-200-000-12025912
I wish they would stop showing up this government..."
I wish I could believe the media. Not saying it's true or not.
I mean in general. The media peddle a lot of crap and conflicting information. It confuses people and in times like this I don't think that's a good thing.
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By *ikilovesCCouple
over a year ago
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Let's just call a truce. We have vastly differing political opinions, but it should not get personal. We should at least be able to have a ding dong but a laugh as well. If I offended you, sorry.
Accepted.
Cool, it's a sunny day, too nice to be nasty!!!!
Aww
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I must admit I really struggle with all of the “after the event” reporting and the continual critiquing of how this pandemic is being managed, but don’t want to get drawn into a political debate at 8.30 on a Sunday morning so will settle for toast and tea instead |
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By *ljamMan
over a year ago
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"I notice the graph also shows an understatement by the government, which IMHO shows a mistake rather than an attempt at deception, but that is not such a big story eh?"
Yeah, as the saying goes "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" |
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"https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-government-overstated-number-of-people-tested-by-up-to-200-000-12025912
I wish they would stop showing up this government..."
This is nothing new. More Or Less, on Radio4 got stuck into Matt Hancock for his lies about testing for seven weeks in a row.
You can still listen to how they called him out, on the BBC Sounds app. |
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"I notice the graph also shows an understatement by the government, which IMHO shows a mistake rather than an attempt at deception, but that is not such a big story eh?
Yeah, as the saying goes "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity""
I've known a few clever people make mistakes as well  |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I notice the graph also shows an understatement by the government, which IMHO shows a mistake rather than an attempt at deception, but that is not such a big story eh?
Yeah, as the saying goes "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"
I've known a few clever people make mistakes as well "
Continuously? |
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"Their role is to educate the public. If numbers have been wrong they have every right to."
Interesting... So is their role to twist stories to suit their own Agenda and as the poster above says, create the news rather than report the news? Regardless of consequences. An inaccurate number can be reported in any number of different ways..
I don't necessarily defend our govt, they've been terrible with some decisions.but that is an entirely different debate. I intensely dislike the media for continually feeding the beast of negativity, which some people seem only too happy to lap up and promulgate. Far easier to throw brick bat's at someone else than to take some personal responsibility.
As for the numbers... Let's hope if they are inaccurate, they admit it, apologise and move on. As in a time of crisis we need to be able to trust what we are being told. |
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By *ornLordMan
over a year ago
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"I notice the graph also shows an understatement by the government, which IMHO shows a mistake rather than an attempt at deception, but that is not such a big story eh?
Yeah, as the saying goes "never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity""
But how serial does this stupidity have to be before the other explanation kicks in? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Let's just call a truce. We have vastly differing political opinions, but it should not get personal. We should at least be able to have a ding dong but a laugh as well. If I offended you, sorry.
Accepted.
Cool, it's a sunny day, too nice to be nasty!!!! "
I would say get a room but.... |
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"So the key point are ? How have they been lying - spinning up the figures??
counting the plastic bags and the 2 swabs as 4 tests ? - Boris and his mob are lying nunts."
I don't think we need to name, names all politicians tend to be "lying nunts"  |
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"I'm scratching my head to see what your issue is?
Sky has a produced an article that from a cursory glance shows the government have been lying to push their agenda (nothing new there)
So you dont like that sky news is critical? That's freedom of press, they can and should hold them to account
The reason sky and other media outlets write divisive pieces. Is because they cause partisan opinions.
Media outlets are advertising billboards they are in the business of getting eyes on their website.
They dont care what people think, just as long as they are looking."
I agree but do you not think the likes of sky have a political agenda?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The testing programme is still chaos. They are now saying local authority's are getting post code data on positive results on a weekly basis as though this is a great outcome.
Local authorities need detailed daily results for early interventions to work to avoid local lockdowns.
In a Pandemic data really does matter as real world decisions are made on it.
Sadly I also believe it stems from the govt pushing private companies first rather than expanding PHE labs, and using local environmental health teams. |
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"The testing programme is still chaos. They are now saying local authority's are getting post code data on positive results on a weekly basis as though this is a great outcome.
Local authorities need detailed daily results for early interventions to work to avoid local lockdowns.
In a Pandemic data really does matter as real world decisions are made on it.
Sadly I also believe it stems from the govt pushing private companies first rather than expanding PHE labs, and using local environmental health teams."
It really does seem at the moment that we can't organise a proverbial piss up in a brewery. And for a proud Brit, its embarrassing. Not understating of course the dreadful consequences in some cases. Off piste slightly but linked, I saw another tag line attributed to Gove, that we would have the best immigration system in the world, ever....if true, talk about set yourself up for failure. Perception is everything. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Let's just call a truce. We have vastly differing political opinions, but it should not get personal. We should at least be able to have a ding dong but a laugh as well. If I offended you, sorry.
Accepted.
Cool, it's a sunny day, too nice to be nasty!!!!
I would say get a room but.... "
Ha ha!! |
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It could be worse some EU countries by not or only minimal testing are trying to indicate they do not have a problem. UK has tested over 17% of population some countries less than 3% "if we can't see it, it's not there" is not the best way to deal with this. |
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By *arksxMan
over a year ago
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"The testing programme is still chaos. They are now saying local authority's are getting post code data on positive results on a weekly basis as though this is a great outcome.
Local authorities need detailed daily results for early interventions to work to avoid local lockdowns.
In a Pandemic data really does matter as real world decisions are made on it.
Sadly I also believe it stems from the govt pushing private companies first rather than expanding PHE labs, and using local environmental health teams."
The UK track and trace policy and app is being run by Dido Harding.
If the name sounds familiar she was in charge of talk talk when they suffered a cyber attack that sunk £60 million of their valuation and left over 100,000 people data hacked.
I shit you not
I guess it's just a massive coincidence she is married to conservative mp Jon penrose
Can you think of a more inappropriate person to be dealing with the first government phone app with access to your personal data |
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"The testing programme is still chaos. They are now saying local authority's are getting post code data on positive results on a weekly basis as though this is a great outcome.
Local authorities need detailed daily results for early interventions to work to avoid local lockdowns.
In a Pandemic data really does matter as real world decisions are made on it.
Sadly I also believe it stems from the govt pushing private companies first rather than expanding PHE labs, and using local environmental health teams.
The UK track and trace policy and app is being run by Dido Harding.
If the name sounds familiar she was in charge of talk talk when they suffered a cyber attack that sunk £60 million of their valuation and left over 100,000 people data hacked.
I shit you not
I guess it's just a massive coincidence she is married to conservative mp Jon penrose
Can you think of a more inappropriate person to be dealing with the first government phone app with access to your personal data"
And donated to Hancock's campaign to be PM.. |
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"The testing programme is still chaos. They are now saying local authority's are getting post code data on positive results on a weekly basis as though this is a great outcome.
Local authorities need detailed daily results for early interventions to work to avoid local lockdowns.
In a Pandemic data really does matter as real world decisions are made on it.
Sadly I also believe it stems from the govt pushing private companies first rather than expanding PHE labs, and using local environmental health teams.
The UK track and trace policy and app is being run by Dido Harding.
If the name sounds familiar she was in charge of talk talk when they suffered a cyber attack that sunk £60 million of their valuation and left over 100,000 people data hacked.
I shit you not
I guess it's just a massive coincidence she is married to conservative mp Jon penrose
Can you think of a more inappropriate person to be dealing with the first government phone app with access to your personal data"
Christopher grayling?
I'm sure that conservative link is a coincidence. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I notice the graph also shows an understatement by the government, which IMHO shows a mistake rather than an attempt at deception, but that is not such a big story eh?"
The figures have been massaged since they "reached" 100,000. Everyone knows that surely. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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As for the numbers... Let's hope if they are inaccurate, they admit it, apologise and move on. As in a time of crisis we need to be able to trust what we are being told. "
It's called spin/moving the goal posts. Instead of numbers tested, it became capacity available. Instead of numbers tested, it became tests posted (and probably also counted if returned). Blah bloody goebbels blah. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So the key point are ? How have they been lying - spinning up the figures??
counting the plastic bags and the 2 swabs as 4 tests ? - Boris and his mob are lying nunts.
I don't think we need to name, names all politicians tend to be "lying nunts" "
Yes, but ultimately, like any CEO, Boris is accountable. |
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"So the key point are ? How have they been lying - spinning up the figures??
counting the plastic bags and the 2 swabs as 4 tests ? - Boris and his mob are lying nunts.
I don't think we need to name, names all politicians tend to be "lying nunts"
Yes, but ultimately, like any CEO, Boris is accountable. "
How do we measure the success or failure, by what the opposition says "we should have done"? By the last PM in charge of a pandemic? By what other countries are doing? I'm sorry we can all be smart after the fact hindsight is perfect vision. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The testing programme is still chaos. They are now saying local authority's are getting post code data on positive results on a weekly basis as though this is a great outcome.
Local authorities need detailed daily results for early interventions to work to avoid local lockdowns.
In a Pandemic data really does matter as real world decisions are made on it.
Sadly I also believe it stems from the govt pushing private companies first rather than expanding PHE labs, and using local environmental health teams."
That is not the fault of government. That is Public Health England. They have been appalling throughout.
Of course government has to take responsibility but not enough focus on PHE. They have screwed up badly from the start. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So the key point are ? How have they been lying - spinning up the figures??
counting the plastic bags and the 2 swabs as 4 tests ? - Boris and his mob are lying nunts.
I don't think we need to name, names all politicians tend to be "lying nunts"
Yes, but ultimately, like any CEO, Boris is accountable.
How do we measure the success or failure, by what the opposition says "we should have done"? By the last PM in charge of a pandemic? By what other countries are doing? I'm sorry we can all be smart after the fact hindsight is perfect vision."
Thankfully that's not my jurisdiction - I'm sure others more qualified will actually initiate inquiries into certain aspects of govt decision making, or lack of. |
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"So the key point are ? How have they been lying - spinning up the figures??
counting the plastic bags and the 2 swabs as 4 tests ? - Boris and his mob are lying nunts.
I don't think we need to name, names all politicians tend to be "lying nunts"
Yes, but ultimately, like any CEO, Boris is accountable.
How do we measure the success or failure, by what the opposition says "we should have done"? By the last PM in charge of a pandemic? By what other countries are doing? I'm sorry we can all be smart after the fact hindsight is perfect vision."
We seemed to compare ourselves with other countries until we became the worst in Europe.
It has been a total cluster fuck. |
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"So the key point are ? How have they been lying - spinning up the figures??
counting the plastic bags and the 2 swabs as 4 tests ? - Boris and his mob are lying nunts.
I don't think we need to name, names all politicians tend to be "lying nunts"
Yes, but ultimately, like any CEO, Boris is accountable.
How do we measure the success or failure, by what the opposition says "we should have done"? By the last PM in charge of a pandemic? By what other countries are doing? I'm sorry we can all be smart after the fact hindsight is perfect vision.
We seemed to compare ourselves with other countries until we became the worst in Europe.
It has been a total cluster fuck."
Oh i can assure you others are worse in Europe |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Oh i can assure you others are worse in Europe"
I can assure you that every other European country has managed the pandemic better than the UK.
Even now, the European Union (27 countries combined) is performing better than the UK.
https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=gbr&areas=eur&areasRegional=usny&areasRegional=usca&areasRegional=usfl&areasRegional=ustx&cumulative=0&logScale=1&perMillion=1&values=deaths |
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"So the key point are ? How have they been lying - spinning up the figures??
counting the plastic bags and the 2 swabs as 4 tests ? - Boris and his mob are lying nunts.
I don't think we need to name, names all politicians tend to be "lying nunts"
Yes, but ultimately, like any CEO, Boris is accountable.
How do we measure the success or failure, by what the opposition says "we should have done"? By the last PM in charge of a pandemic? By what other countries are doing? I'm sorry we can all be smart after the fact hindsight is perfect vision.
We seemed to compare ourselves with other countries until we became the worst in Europe.
It has been a total cluster fuck.
Oh i can assure you others are worse in Europe"
Really? |
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Oh i can assure you others are worse in Europe
I can assure you that every other European country has managed the pandemic better than the UK.
Even now, the European Union (27 countries combined) is performing better than the UK.
https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=gbr&areas=eur&areasRegional=usny&areasRegional=usca&areasRegional=usfl&areasRegional=ustx&cumulative=0&logScale=1&perMillion=1&values=deaths
What this doesn't show is the countries who are turning a blind eye pretending it doesn't exist.
I have been monitoring many sets of figures (what else to do in a lockdown) and some of the countries that look good are manipulating the figures. They are not doing the same amount of monitoring to ensure the real positive figure is not shown. Check % per capita the info is there if you go through it.
There is another factor as well which has been totally ignored, how many people brought the virus into the country did every country start with 1 carrier in 1 location or did some countries have multiple carries to deal with at the start."
Doesn't say much for us if we manipulate the figures and are still the worst in Europe,? |
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Oh i can assure you others are worse in Europe
I can assure you that every other European country has managed the pandemic better than the UK.
Even now, the European Union (27 countries combined) is performing better than the UK "
What your link doesn't show is the countries who are turning a blind eye pretending it doesn't exist.
I have been monitoring many sets of figures (what else to do in a lockdown) and some of the countries that look good are manipulating the figures. They are not doing the same amount of monitoring to ensure the real positive figure is not shown. Check % per capita the info is there if you go through it.
There is another factor as well which has been totally ignored, how many people brought the virus into the country did every country start with 1 carrier in 1 location or did some countries have multiple carries to deal with at the start. |
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Oh i can assure you others are worse in Europe
I can assure you that every other European country has managed the pandemic better than the UK.
Even now, the European Union (27 countries combined) is performing better than the UK.
https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=gbr&areas=eur&areasRegional=usny&areasRegional=usca&areasRegional=usfl&areasRegional=ustx&cumulative=0&logScale=1&perMillion=1&values=deaths
What this doesn't show is the countries who are turning a blind eye pretending it doesn't exist.
I have been monitoring many sets of figures (what else to do in a lockdown) and some of the countries that look good are manipulating the figures. They are not doing the same amount of monitoring to ensure the real positive figure is not shown. Check % per capita the info is there if you go through it.
There is another factor as well which has been totally ignored, how many people brought the virus into the country did every country start with 1 carrier in 1 location or did some countries have multiple carries to deal with at the start.
Doesn't say much for us if we manipulate the figures and are still the worst in Europe,?"
I didn't say UK have manipulated i said other countries in Europe have |
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Oh i can assure you others are worse in Europe
I can assure you that every other European country has managed the pandemic better than the UK.
Even now, the European Union (27 countries combined) is performing better than the UK.
https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=gbr&areas=eur&areasRegional=usny&areasRegional=usca&areasRegional=usfl&areasRegional=ustx&cumulative=0&logScale=1&perMillion=1&values=deaths
What this doesn't show is the countries who are turning a blind eye pretending it doesn't exist.
I have been monitoring many sets of figures (what else to do in a lockdown) and some of the countries that look good are manipulating the figures. They are not doing the same amount of monitoring to ensure the real positive figure is not shown. Check % per capita the info is there if you go through it.
There is another factor as well which has been totally ignored, how many people brought the virus into the country did every country start with 1 carrier in 1 location or did some countries have multiple carries to deal with at the start.
Doesn't say much for us if we manipulate the figures and are still the worst in Europe,?
I didn't say UK have manipulated i said other countries in Europe have"
But we have aswell. |
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Oh i can assure you others are worse in Europe
I can assure you that every other European country has managed the pandemic better than the UK.
Even now, the European Union (27 countries combined) is performing better than the UK.
https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=gbr&areas=eur&areasRegional=usny&areasRegional=usca&areasRegional=usfl&areasRegional=ustx&cumulative=0&logScale=1&perMillion=1&values=deaths
What this doesn't show is the countries who are turning a blind eye pretending it doesn't exist.
I have been monitoring many sets of figures (what else to do in a lockdown) and some of the countries that look good are manipulating the figures. They are not doing the same amount of monitoring to ensure the real positive figure is not shown. Check % per capita the info is there if you go through it.
There is another factor as well which has been totally ignored, how many people brought the virus into the country did every country start with 1 carrier in 1 location or did some countries have multiple carries to deal with at the start.
Doesn't say much for us if we manipulate the figures and are still the worst in Europe,?"
However, just a random example. A few weeks ago, a minister announced 178 deaths and a labour shadow minister said tears nothing to be proud about especially in comparison to Spain. The minister then replied, if we counted the same way as Spain, we would have announced 20 deaths. If there was a standardisation of the way of counting then there would be a lot more announced and the UK would probably and I repeat probably wouldn't seem so bad as suggested |
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Oh i can assure you others are worse in Europe
I can assure you that every other European country has managed the pandemic better than the UK.
Even now, the European Union (27 countries combined) is performing better than the UK.
https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=gbr&areas=eur&areasRegional=usny&areasRegional=usca&areasRegional=usfl&areasRegional=ustx&cumulative=0&logScale=1&perMillion=1&values=deaths
What this doesn't show is the countries who are turning a blind eye pretending it doesn't exist.
I have been monitoring many sets of figures (what else to do in a lockdown) and some of the countries that look good are manipulating the figures. They are not doing the same amount of monitoring to ensure the real positive figure is not shown. Check % per capita the info is there if you go through it.
There is another factor as well which has been totally ignored, how many people brought the virus into the country did every country start with 1 carrier in 1 location or did some countries have multiple carries to deal with at the start.
Doesn't say much for us if we manipulate the figures and are still the worst in Europe,?
However, just a random example. A few weeks ago, a minister announced 178 deaths and a labour shadow minister said tears nothing to be proud about especially in comparison to Spain. The minister then replied, if we counted the same way as Spain, we would have announced 20 deaths. If there was a standardisation of the way of counting then there would be a lot more announced and the UK would probably and I repeat probably wouldn't seem so bad as suggested "
Standardisation would probally help but its fairly clear we have been creative with the figures in the past.
Like I said previously we used to compare ourselves to the rest of europe until we exceeded them.
Not really sure how important it is anyway tbh.We just need to get on top of it. |
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Doesn't say much for us if we manipulate the figures and are still the worst in Europe,?
However, just a random example. A few weeks ago, a minister announced 178 deaths and a labour shadow minister said tears nothing to be proud about especially in comparison to Spain. The minister then replied, if we counted the same way as Spain, we would have announced 20 deaths. If there was a standardisation of the way of counting then there would be a lot more announced and the UK would probably and I repeat probably wouldn't seem so bad as suggested
Standardisation would probally help but its fairly clear we have been creative with the figures in the past.
Like I said previously we used to compare ourselves to the rest of europe until we exceeded them.
Not really sure how important it is anyway tbh. We just need to get on top of it."
3 countries as an example
Romania, Greece (3.56%), Poland have tested less than 5% of population Bulgaria tested less than 3% .... They are not testing because they don't want to find the virus. UK has tested almost 18% of the population. |
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Doesn't say much for us if we manipulate the figures and are still the worst in Europe,?
However, just a random example. A few weeks ago, a minister announced 178 deaths and a labour shadow minister said tears nothing to be proud about especially in comparison to Spain. The minister then replied, if we counted the same way as Spain, we would have announced 20 deaths. If there was a standardisation of the way of counting then there would be a lot more announced and the UK would probably and I repeat probably wouldn't seem so bad as suggested
Standardisation would probally help but its fairly clear we have been creative with the figures in the past.
Like I said previously we used to compare ourselves to the rest of europe until we exceeded them.
Not really sure how important it is anyway tbh. We just need to get on top of it.
3 countries as an example
Romania, Greece (3.56%), Poland have tested less than 5% of population Bulgaria tested less than 3% .... They are not testing because they don't want to find the virus. UK has tested almost 18% of the population."
Germany was way ahead of us in testing during the early stages. We were way behind other countries too. However, once we actually got our testing capacity up we carried on testing because we had to. Germany's cases have been lower than ours are now for nearly 8 weeks despite only being a couple of weeks ahead at the start.
The uk has had over 30x more deaths per million of the population than greece. Therefore fair to say considerably less cases and therefore people with symptoms and therefore need to carry out testing...
Replace 30x with 15x for Poland and bulgaria and 7x for romania. Are you wanting these countries to just test randoms to get their testing levels up to the same as ours.
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Reports on numbers of tests, or even number of people tested are irrelevant. Even reports on number of cases are meaningless. Deaths per million people remains the best indicator, for comparison. |
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"Reports on numbers of tests, or even number of people tested are irrelevant. Even reports on number of cases are meaningless. Deaths per million people remains the best indicator, for comparison."
Does geographical spread and number of original carriers factor in as well, these must cause the figures to skew |
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I wish they would stop showing up this government..."
Like I said...Elon Musk said the figures were incorrect week's ago |
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Spot on with this. In the face of declining print sales it’s just become a click-bait news story. Murdoch backs the Tories when it suits them. To sell advertising though, these kind of stories are helpful.
Also there’s a bit of a fracture of the traditional going on. PM Cummings has created a party within a party that has pursued a hostile line against the state. This has been unthinkable in the past, where the state and government are usually aligned. It’s being described as a silent coup. Think about some of the things slipping under the radar; an end to the automatic right to trial by jury ought to be a shocking wake up call, yet it’s suggestion has caused nary a ripple. Think of the mess made of the European ventilator scheme; “didn’t get the email, did get the email but not our policy, we’re not EU anymore,” there was more conflicting flip flopping. The reason our previous chancellor quit - ordered to sack his team and let PM Cummings choose the replacements, bullying... and the classic defence of needing to drive 60 miles to test my eyesight. That sounds like a stone cold motoring offence conviction at the very least, if uttered by a member of the public.
Behind the scenes, a backdrop to all this chaos, secret negotiations with the US on a trade deal that will sacrifice farmers and the NHS to protect the city of London. And I’m the background, the same people at a pen stroke get considerably richer. Amongst them, sitting MPs.
It sounds like conspiracy thriller stuff, but it is happening in front of our very eyes. There is an article on the byline times site where a former Royal Navy submarine commander explores this topic in greater detail. His words, “a coup” |
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"Spot on with this. In the face of declining print sales it’s just become a click-bait news story. Murdoch backs the Tories when it suits them. To sell advertising though, these kind of stories are helpful.
Also there’s a bit of a fracture of the traditional going on. PM Cummings has created a party within a party that has pursued a hostile line against the state. This has been unthinkable in the past, where the state and government are usually aligned. It’s being described as a silent coup. Think about some of the things slipping under the radar; an end to the automatic right to trial by jury ought to be a shocking wake up call, yet it’s suggestion has caused nary a ripple. Think of the mess made of the European ventilator scheme; “didn’t get the email, did get the email but not our policy, we’re not EU anymore,” there was more conflicting flip flopping. The reason our previous chancellor quit - ordered to sack his team and let PM Cummings choose the replacements, bullying... and the classic defence of needing to drive 60 miles to test my eyesight. That sounds like a stone cold motoring offence conviction at the very least, if uttered by a member of the public.
Behind the scenes, a backdrop to all this chaos, secret negotiations with the US on a trade deal that will sacrifice farmers and the NHS to protect the city of London. And I’m the background, the same people at a pen stroke get considerably richer. Amongst them, sitting MPs.
It sounds like conspiracy thriller stuff, but it is happening in front of our very eyes. There is an article on the byline times site where a former Royal Navy submarine commander explores this topic in greater detail. His words, “a coup”"
You missed out DC wanting to dismantle the civil service,attempts to ban journalists from attending a press conference because they are critical of the gmnt and the whole Brexit circus.
People simply shrug their shoulders. |
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I wish they would stop showing up this government..."
Pretty sure the government is the embarrassment not the media....tho their IJ teams seriously need cash injection. |
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I wish they would stop showing up this government..."
I can tell this is sarcastic but with people these days you can never be too sure  |
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"I'm scratching my head to see what your issue is?
Sky has a produced an article that from a cursory glance shows the government have been lying to push their agenda (nothing new there)
So you dont like that sky news is critical? That's freedom of press, they can and should hold them to account
The reason sky and other media outlets write divisive pieces. Is because they cause partisan opinions.
Media outlets are advertising billboards they are in the business of getting eyes on their website.
They dont care what people think, just as long as they are looking.
Sorry, I was being sarcastic. A lot of people on here defend this government no matter what."
Belle and Seb. You have turned into a pair of knockers.
Nothing wrong with that but the game is up. You keeping throwing anarchist hand grenades to sniff out Tories. There is a chance, and maybe a small chance that you are both Tories and use this as a tactic to find like minded people.
I think it was Shakespeare who said, All that Glistens is not Gold. |
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