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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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With today’s announcement from Boots and John Lewis it seems we are looking at a 1980 type recession.
What needs to be done to limit the impact of the pandemic? |
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Tighter test and tracing, with full isolation, will keep public life safer.
Perhaps huge levels of frequent testing will pick up the high numbers of people who have no symptoms.
We have to get used to strict controls to get the numbers of infections down and all di our bit to comply |
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For retail, we could enforce stricter taxation on internet retailers operating from overseas, to support our local economies.
These places are closing due to the public not having shopped during lockdown and current uncertainty. It's still very early days of reopening. Ee probably need to be discouraging out of town shopping, due to the high carbon footprint.
If employment certainty is going to fall, people will be reluctant to spend as they used to.
It's a complex problem, with limited quick fixes. |
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Agree more testing should be offered both to see who has it and is a symptomatic but also to see who has had it. Think the numbers may be a lot higher than expected. Also more positive news should be relayed. Instead of number of cases and deaths how many have survived having it
Any death is a loss and i feel for the families who have lost someone. But we need more positive news or we are going to see a nation who is too frightened to go outside or into busy areas. But that is just my opinion |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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Do we need yet further fiscal stimulus to keep industrial output at a level to keep people employed?
Was Jeremy Corbyn correct with his tax and spend policies? |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"They have got a big job on their hands..it does appear sunak is putting in the legwork."
Wow. Credit where credit is due, nice one Lionel. We are all in this together no matter what the colour of our politics.
After all we don't only help people to cross a raod by first asking 'who do you vote for' Do we?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Do we need yet further fiscal stimulus to keep industrial output at a level to keep people employed?
Was Jeremy Corbyn correct with his tax and spend policies?"
No. |
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"They have got a big job on their hands..it does appear sunak is putting in the legwork.
Wow. Credit where credit is due, nice one Lionel. We are all in this together no matter what the colour of our politics.
After all we don't only help people to cross a raod by first asking 'who do you vote for' Do we?
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You better get that framed |
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By *arksxMan
over a year ago
Leicester / London |
"They have got a big job on their hands..it does appear sunak is putting in the legwork.
Think they need to look at some radical measures however "
2 for 1 meals ain't it.
Nor is apprenticeships for graduates.
Or furlough by a different name and bribing employers to eek a few extra months for keepinf staff at failing business
They have already spat a wad on furlough because the public have no savings nor where they incentivised to save since the last recession.
The average personal unsecured debt in UK now stands at close £10k per person.
Conservative government =private debt
Labour government = government debt
You can argue for whichever side of the flag you want but the debt doesn't change it's just who is holding the bomb when the economic pass the parcel stops.
These policies dont go anywhere near enough to diffuse the bomb.
We should be investing in new industries for a new century and millennium.
Not trying to drag 200 yeard old forms of transport like hs2 along with this.
The UK is located over the gulf stream. We could be powering not only the UK but the rest of Europe with clean green energy.
Last year we barely met UK consumption at off peak times |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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boots was in mayor trouble last spring and very nearly ended up going bust then ... all the high street retailers have had a horrid time in the last oh so many years ...covid was the one thing they did not need happening |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Get the big companies that evade paying their fare share of tax. Amazon Google Facebook to name a few. If they were targeted the deficit would reduce more readily, ease the burden on us normal taxpayers and have investment available for more jobs being made available. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"They have got a big job on their hands..it does appear sunak is putting in the legwork.
Wow. Credit where credit is due, nice one Lionel. We are all in this together no matter what the colour of our politics.
After all we don't only help people to cross a raod by first asking 'who do you vote for' Do we?
You better get that framed "
on it lol |
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"Get the big companies that evade paying their fare share of tax. Amazon Google Facebook to name a few. If they were targeted the deficit would reduce more readily, ease the burden on us normal taxpayers and have investment available for more jobs being made available. "
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By *arksxMan
over a year ago
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"Get the big companies that evade paying their fare share of tax. Amazon Google Facebook to name a few. If they were targeted the deficit would reduce more readily, ease the burden on us normal taxpayers and have investment available for more jobs being made available.
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UK digital services tax.. Mirroring the EU. Ironic but never mind.
2% tax on their revenues whilst these companies have seen the biggest transfer of wealth during the pandemic.
https://www.nortonrosefulbright.com/en/knowledge/publications/24da19c2/the-uks-digital-services-tax-whats-new
If jeff bezos can afford $1 billion a year for his mental space project.
He can pay a bit more in tax.
They guy thinks he is Peter weyland |
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I think the moves so far are just the tip of the iceberg of what will be needed. Terrible times for anyone hearing their jobs not returning, via the news, after months of this lockdown.
We need more money put in to education, to allow widespread retraining for career changes. Local authorities budgets would need a steep reversal of how the conservatives have treated them for 10 years.
I think funding to support town centre parking and public transport will be a good investment too. |
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"Do we need yet further fiscal stimulus to keep industrial output at a level to keep people employed?
Was Jeremy Corbyn correct with his tax and spend policies?"
Doubt he was as we already over 2 Trillion in debt almost that’s over 60 billion a year in interest how much more debt does UK want ? |
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By *arksxMan
over a year ago
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"Do we need yet further fiscal stimulus to keep industrial output at a level to keep people employed?
Was Jeremy Corbyn correct with his tax and spend policies? Doubt he was as we already over 2 Trillion in debt almost that’s over 60 billion a year in interest how much more debt does UK want ? "
As much as is needed to get of this shit.
I wouldn't worry about debt...
The last gilt auction was oversubscribed.
And Americas fiscal stimulus has rendered all perceptions of pre covid values meaningless.
That dollar printing press has been working overtime. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Its a catch 22 situation with any economic stimulus, the chancellors £1000 bonus is a shot to try and spread any redundancies in the hope that the economy will start to recover and the jobs maybe kept longer term. We cant do the mass builds of the 1950s that dragged Britain out of the post war recession we dont have the land available or the workforce coupled with the loss of lots of manufacturing industries. Todays economy is entirely different to then..The biggest issue is that retailers where being squeezed by online sales who can't compete due to excessive overheads from retail stores. A 2% tax wont compare to what retailers paid in business rates. When thats taken from local government coffers then they will need big inputs from national government far in excess of any of the Internet giants 2%. Couple to that the fact the USA will throw the dummy out the pram for taxing there industries, let's face it amazon Facebook and Google can buy the American government lobby and force them to do what they want.. |
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Bring in a universal basic income, to allow people to spend time investing in themselves instead of worrying about putting food on the table.
Tax all internet companies at a similar level as if they were selling from the high street.
Double the minimum wage to stop shitty companies relying on the cheap labour instead of investing in efficiency improvements. We have the worst productivity in europe.
Those are my first back of the envelope thoughts(not considered in any depth...) |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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The fact remains we are headed for a recession if not depression with all the might of the 5th largest economy in the world there has to be a 10 year plan? |
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The retail sector was doomed for a long time. Everytime I got told that I could order the item online, I would reply that I would be putting you out of a job.
The pandemic has proven the retail stores, they can survive online. No shop rentals, not as many staff to pay, to them it is a win win scenario. |
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"The fact remains we are headed for a recession if not depression with all the might of the 5th largest economy in the world there has to be a 10 year plan?"
Is there a plan for January ?
Maybe I missed it.
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Bring in a universal basic income, to allow people to spend time investing in themselves instead of worrying about putting food on the table.
Tax all internet companies at a similar level as if they were selling from the high street.
Double the minimum wage to stop shitty companies relying on the cheap labour instead of investing in efficiency improvements. We have the worst productivity in europe.
Those are my first back of the envelope thoughts(not considered in any depth...)"
And pass a law saying at can only rain at night,your watching to much Startreck |
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"Bring in a universal basic income, to allow people to spend time investing in themselves instead of worrying about putting food on the table.
Tax all internet companies at a similar level as if they were selling from the high street.
Double the minimum wage to stop shitty companies relying on the cheap labour instead of investing in efficiency improvements. We have the worst productivity in europe.
Those are my first back of the envelope thoughts(not considered in any depth...)And pass a law saying at can only rain at night,your watching to much Startreck"
What's Startreck? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Bring in a universal basic income, to allow people to spend time investing in themselves instead of worrying about putting food on the table.
Tax all internet companies at a similar level as if they were selling from the high street.
Double the minimum wage to stop shitty companies relying on the cheap labour instead of investing in efficiency improvements. We have the worst productivity in europe.
Those are my first back of the envelope thoughts(not considered in any depth...)"
You do realise that doubling minimum wage will (1) result in more automation and less jobs and (2) offshoring of even more jobs?
The reason we have the worst productivity is simple. We pay people instead of using machines plus are a service based country and services are more labour intensive.
Not to mention the massive increase in inflation by doubling of many wage bills. Imagine your shop bought sandwich doubling in price. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"The fact remains we are headed for a recession if not depression with all the might of the 5th largest economy in the world there has to be a 10 year plan?
Is there a plan for January ?
Maybe I missed it.
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The politicians have to look beyond the next election. We are constantly being told that this current crisis is second only to the WW2.
We should create a government of national unity that sets out a workable plan to ameliorate the impact of the situation but set out a sensible and achievable economic plan to fund these emergency measures. |
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"Bring in a universal basic income, to allow people to spend time investing in themselves instead of worrying about putting food on the table.
Tax all internet companies at a similar level as if they were selling from the high street.
Double the minimum wage to stop shitty companies relying on the cheap labour instead of investing in efficiency improvements. We have the worst productivity in europe.
Those are my first back of the envelope thoughts(not considered in any depth...)
You do realise that doubling minimum wage will (1) result in more automation and less jobs and (2) offshoring of even more jobs?
The reason we have the worst productivity is simple. We pay people instead of using machines plus are a service based country and services are more labour intensive.
Not to mention the massive increase in inflation by doubling of many wage bills. Imagine your shop bought sandwich doubling in price."
That's what they said before they introduced the minimum wage |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Well seeing as its going a bit tame why don't we suggest something a bit more drastic just for e lols?
Price fix the economy. Make all essentials at a fixed rate for the next 4 years. Stick two fingers up at inflation and make it so that people now have the money to actually buy the stuff they need.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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To be honest I think pre and post covid will show a big shift to online. People who never bought online now buy eveything online. I feel sorry for small businesses and towns that haven't invested but that's market forces blended with extreme changes in circumstances. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Well seeing as its going a bit tame why don't we suggest something a bit more drastic just for e lols?
Price fix the economy. Make all essentials at a fixed rate for the next 4 years. Stick two fingers up at inflation and make it so that people now have the money to actually buy the stuff they need.
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Yeh of course why don't we just stop market forces and innovation. Also rip farmers off while you are at it squeezing more out of their margin all so you can save 10p on your veg which let's face it is cheap as it is. |
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"Do we need yet further fiscal stimulus to keep industrial output at a level to keep people employed?
Was Jeremy Corbyn correct with his tax and spend policies? Doubt he was as we already over 2 Trillion in debt almost that’s over 60 billion a year in interest how much more debt does UK want ?
As much as is needed to get of this shit.
I wouldn't worry about debt...
The last gilt auction was oversubscribed.
And Americas fiscal stimulus has rendered all perceptions of pre covid values meaningless.
That dollar printing press has been working overtime. "
So don’t worry about debt , so when pound is at junk status and worth nothing don’t worry ??? |
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By *arksxMan
over a year ago
Leicester / London |
"Do we need yet further fiscal stimulus to keep industrial output at a level to keep people employed?
Was Jeremy Corbyn correct with his tax and spend policies? Doubt he was as we already over 2 Trillion in debt almost that’s over 60 billion a year in interest how much more debt does UK want ?
As much as is needed to get of this shit.
I wouldn't worry about debt...
The last gilt auction was oversubscribed.
And Americas fiscal stimulus has rendered all perceptions of pre covid values meaningless.
That dollar printing press has been working overtime. So don’t worry about debt , so when pound is at junk status and worth nothing don’t worry ???"
Have you seen the bond market?....everything is junk rated.
In February the very foundations of modern capitalism nearly broke when the bond market ran out of liquidity aka nobody was buying shit.
The same time the UK government was saying the economy is booming in the budget statement
Markets are running to protectionism....Americas stimulus package is worth trillions and they want more money.
Has the dollar moved from the defacto currency yet...No because where a else can you go. China?
Sure it's 100% a better economic choice but you have the ccp.
Markets in these time aren't moved by maths. They are moved by geopolitical events.
Why do think the price of oil shit its pants in march?
Becuase the saudis and the Russians where fighting over who controlled the price of dead dino juice
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Do we need yet further fiscal stimulus to keep industrial output at a level to keep people employed?
Was Jeremy Corbyn correct with his tax and spend policies? Doubt he was as we already over 2 Trillion in debt almost that’s over 60 billion a year in interest how much more debt does UK want ?
As much as is needed to get of this shit.
I wouldn't worry about debt...
The last gilt auction was oversubscribed.
And Americas fiscal stimulus has rendered all perceptions of pre covid values meaningless.
That dollar printing press has been working overtime. So don’t worry about debt , so when pound is at junk status and worth nothing don’t worry ???
Have you seen the bond market?....everything is junk rated.
In February the very foundations of modern capitalism nearly broke when the bond market ran out of liquidity aka nobody was buying shit.
The same time the UK government was saying the economy is booming in the budget statement
Markets are running to protectionism....Americas stimulus package is worth trillions and they want more money.
Has the dollar moved from the defacto currency yet...No because where a else can you go. China?
Sure it's 100% a better economic choice but you have the ccp.
Markets in these time aren't moved by maths. They are moved by geopolitical events.
Why do think the price of oil shit its pants in march?
Becuase the saudis and the Russians where fighting over who controlled the price of dead dino juice
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Good point! |
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"Do we need yet further fiscal stimulus to keep industrial output at a level to keep people employed?
Was Jeremy Corbyn correct with his tax and spend policies? Doubt he was as we already over 2 Trillion in debt almost that’s over 60 billion a year in interest how much more debt does UK want ?
As much as is needed to get of this shit.
I wouldn't worry about debt...
The last gilt auction was oversubscribed.
And Americas fiscal stimulus has rendered all perceptions of pre covid values meaningless.
That dollar printing press has been working overtime. So don’t worry about debt , so when pound is at junk status and worth nothing don’t worry ???
Have you seen the bond market?....everything is junk rated.
In February the very foundations of modern capitalism nearly broke when the bond market ran out of liquidity aka nobody was buying shit.
The same time the UK government was saying the economy is booming in the budget statement
Markets are running to protectionism....Americas stimulus package is worth trillions and they want more money.
Has the dollar moved from the defacto currency yet...No because where a else can you go. China?
Sure it's 100% a better economic choice but you have the ccp.
Markets in these time aren't moved by maths. They are moved by geopolitical events.
Why do think the price of oil shit its pants in march?
Becuase the saudis and the Russians where fighting over who controlled the price of dead dino juice
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Because half the world was shut down and nobody wanted oil they hadn't enough storage the price crashed |
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By *arksxMan
over a year ago
Leicester / London |
"Do we need yet further fiscal stimulus to keep industrial output at a level to keep people employed?
Was Jeremy Corbyn correct with his tax and spend policies? Doubt he was as we already over 2 Trillion in debt almost that’s over 60 billion a year in interest how much more debt does UK want ?
As much as is needed to get of this shit.
I wouldn't worry about debt...
The last gilt auction was oversubscribed.
And Americas fiscal stimulus has rendered all perceptions of pre covid values meaningless.
That dollar printing press has been working overtime. So don’t worry about debt , so when pound is at junk status and worth nothing don’t worry ???
Have you seen the bond market?....everything is junk rated.
In February the very foundations of modern capitalism nearly broke when the bond market ran out of liquidity aka nobody was buying shit.
The same time the UK government was saying the economy is booming in the budget statement
Markets are running to protectionism....Americas stimulus package is worth trillions and they want more money.
Has the dollar moved from the defacto currency yet...No because where a else can you go. China?
Sure it's 100% a better economic choice but you have the ccp.
Markets in these time aren't moved by maths. They are moved by geopolitical events.
Why do think the price of oil shit its pants in march?
Becuase the saudis and the Russians where fighting over who controlled the price of dead dino juice
Because half the world was shut down and nobody wanted oil they hadn't enough storage the price crashed"
A lack of Oil Bunker storage and lower demand is a micro economic event that the oil market was already expecting in q4 of 2019
The macro event occured when russia and rosneft oil decided to flex their muscles and the opec+ meeting in Vienna.
Refusing further cuts and saying they would open the oil taps in the hope of breaking the saudis dominance at the opec table and at the same time break America shale oil industy.
But the didn't factor in the Saudi oil price is controlled by he financial retard prince MSB. Saudi Aramco blew their oil wad and it cost them $12 billion.
As the war raged on the oil price went negative after oil contacts due for delivery had no where to be stored that month...with oil shooting out like breaking the seal after drinkin pints
Even the vlccs ran out storage.
That's why you see Singapore ports loaded with oil tankers not moving.
Here endeth the lesson.
If you really want to understand a functioning economy, instead of argue on the internet with a commodities trader I suggest you watch this.
https://youtu.be/PHe0bXAIuk0 |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I’ve a strong feeling I’ll be losing my job in the next couple of weeks  ... surprising for where I work to lay people off but we can’t get everyone back together with enough hours to go around |
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"With today’s announcement from Boots and John Lewis it seems we are looking at a 1980 type recession.
What needs to be done to limit the impact of the pandemic?"
A big reduction in high street rent charges would help.
Some of the rent retailers pay is astronomical.
Something like 15% of retail units in my local shopping centre were empty long before Covid. |
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By *arksxMan
over a year ago
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"With today’s announcement from Boots and John Lewis it seems we are looking at a 1980 type recession.
What needs to be done to limit the impact of the pandemic?
A big reduction in high street rent charges would help.
Some of the rent retailers pay is astronomical.
Something like 15% of retail units in my local shopping centre were empty long before Covid."
That's a good idea.
Commercial rents only go up too.
There is gonna be alot of asset revaluations once the recession we are in starts to bite down.
Once debt devaluation moves out of the bond market and into the broader economy and property is in negative equity.
How and why should any company pay more in rent in 2021 than they did in 2018 |
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"Bring in a universal basic income, to allow people to spend time investing in themselves instead of worrying about putting food on the table.
Tax all internet companies at a similar level as if they were selling from the high street.
Double the minimum wage to stop shitty companies relying on the cheap labour instead of investing in efficiency improvements. We have the worst productivity in europe.
Those are my first back of the envelope thoughts(not considered in any depth...)
You do realise that doubling minimum wage will (1) result in more automation and less jobs and (2) offshoring of even more jobs?
The reason we have the worst productivity is simple. We pay people instead of using machines plus are a service based country and services are more labour intensive.
Not to mention the massive increase in inflation by doubling of many wage bills. Imagine your shop bought sandwich doubling in price.
That's what they said before they introduced the minimum wage"
Indeed I remember the fact CEOs proclaiming that introducing the minimum wage would absolutely cripple the economy and that these companies would move abroad. Never happened, just scaremongering to line their pockets. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They have got a big job on their hands..it does appear sunak is putting in the legwork.
Think they need to look at some radical measures however
2 for 1 meals ain't it.
Nor is apprenticeships for graduates.
Or furlough by a different name and bribing employers to eek a few extra months for keepinf staff at failing business
They have already spat a wad on furlough because the public have no savings nor where they incentivised to save since the last recession.
The average personal unsecured debt in UK now stands at close £10k per person.
Conservative government =private debt
Labour government = government debt
You can argue for whichever side of the flag you want but the debt doesn't change it's just who is holding the bomb when the economic pass the parcel stops.
These policies dont go anywhere near enough to diffuse the bomb.
We should be investing in new industries for a new century and millennium.
Not trying to drag 200 yeard old forms of transport like hs2 along with this.
The UK is located over the gulf stream. We could be powering not only the UK but the rest of Europe with clean green energy.
Last year we barely met UK consumption at off peak times"
Agreed, the debt ain't going anywhere.
I think seeing as how large swathes of the economy may die a death, there's an argument for radical investment in national based manufacturing, building from the ground up in line for renewable energy and sustainable development.
Try and actually create done professional, mid skilled jobs that the societal average can access. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Anyone thought about the notion that the high street won't return to bring a shoppers paradise, and that local government should be encouraged to stimulate new start upss buy using the new space for offices, or by converting to apartments/studio flats for those who work in the city centre? |
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Always amuses me lamenting the death of the high street , if folks want the high street saved its simple take your hard cash and spend it in the high street support the businesses going going bust , support the shop workers that are losing their jobs hand over fist , of course that wont happen as folks are too lazy to get off their butts far easier to do the lazy thing and feed the greedy american online tax doging business like amazon who treat their employees like trash .
Its quite simple save the high street spend your cash there or spend it online but theres no point bitching about the government and what they can do regardless of which party is in power it in the hands of the great british public but of course thats the same public that inflicted brexit on the uk the effects of which wont actually be felt until we fully leave which will be without a deal the way its heading |
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"Bring in a universal basic income, to allow people to spend time investing in themselves instead of worrying about putting food on the table.
Tax all internet companies at a similar level as if they were selling from the high street.
Double the minimum wage to stop shitty companies relying on the cheap labour instead of investing in efficiency improvements. We have the worst productivity in europe.
Those are my first back of the envelope thoughts(not considered in any depth...)
You do realise that doubling minimum wage will (1) result in more automation and less jobs and (2) offshoring of even more jobs?
The reason we have the worst productivity is simple. We pay people instead of using machines plus are a service based country and services are more labour intensive.
Not to mention the massive increase in inflation by doubling of many wage bills. Imagine your shop bought sandwich doubling in price.
That's what they said before they introduced the minimum wage"
The minimum wage didn't double current wages. You also only have to look at the amount of jobs continually sent overseas to see that the minimum wage did have an impact. Thankfully not as big as some worried.
For minimum wage hikes, the whole world has to get a pay rise.
Do I think the minimum wage should be higher? Yes in a country with too few houses that are too expensive. No if we can get housing costs drastically lower. We need more housing to have a proper functioning economy. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"They have got a big job on their hands..it does appear sunak is putting in the legwork.
Think they need to look at some radical measures however
2 for 1 meals ain't it.
Nor is apprenticeships for graduates.
Or furlough by a different name and bribing employers to eek a few extra months for keepinf staff at failing business
They have already spat a wad on furlough because the public have no savings nor where they incentivised to save since the last recession.
The average personal unsecured debt in UK now stands at close £10k per person.
Conservative government =private debt
Labour government = government debt
You can argue for whichever side of the flag you want but the debt doesn't change it's just who is holding the bomb when the economic pass the parcel stops.
These policies dont go anywhere near enough to diffuse the bomb.
We should be investing in new industries for a new century and millennium.
Not trying to drag 200 yeard old forms of transport like hs2 along with this.
The UK is located over the gulf stream. We could be powering not only the UK but the rest of Europe with clean green energy.
Last year we barely met UK consumption at off peak times
Agreed, the debt ain't going anywhere.
I think seeing as how large swathes of the economy may die a death, there's an argument for radical investment in national based manufacturing, building from the ground up in line for renewable energy and sustainable development.
Try and actually create done professional, mid skilled jobs that the societal average can access."
A national economic plan planned outside of government. Then the relevant government's job to fund it.
That plan should highlight the industries for the future and what ddgees are needed. Those courses should be free with a high entry requirement plus sponsored students from disadvantaged backgrounds. A requirement ho stay in the uk for a set period of time in return.
We need to move away from any old degree. Most people need to realise that large swathes of degrees are useless.
For people not suited to degrees, there should be an emphasis on vocational training. Stop devaluing manual labour. It is needed. We should create enough of our own brickies, plumbers, electricians etc. Set up a lot of local housing trusts that are linked to technical colleges. The pupils and graduates from these colleges then work for the housing trusts to build more and more houses. The colleges could be linked to health trusts as well so they can provide and build social infrastructure.
Make work pay. Building and living in your own community will create a sense of pride.
Just a few quick thoughts. |
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"Agree more testing should be offered both to see who has it and is a symptomatic but also to see who has had it. Think the numbers may be a lot higher than expected. Also more positive news should be relayed. Instead of number of cases and deaths how many have survived having it
Any death is a loss and i feel for the families who have lost someone. But we need more positive news or we are going to see a nation who is too frightened to go outside or into busy areas. But that is just my opinion"
Having underlying heart problems, Id love to know survival rates for people in this situation, if any! |
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There are losses all over in every sector but that’s the way things go this will be the hardest times since any war this country has seen and it will recover it will build back up but they will be thousands who become jobless homeless all we can do is look forward and keep aiming for a better future |
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"They have got a big job on their hands..it does appear sunak is putting in the legwork.
Think they need to look at some radical measures however
2 for 1 meals ain't it.
Nor is apprenticeships for graduates.
Or furlough by a different name and bribing employers to eek a few extra months for keepinf staff at failing business
They have already spat a wad on furlough because the public have no savings nor where they incentivised to save since the last recession.
The average personal unsecured debt in UK now stands at close £10k per person.
Conservative government =private debt
Labour government = government debt
You can argue for whichever side of the flag you want but the debt doesn't change it's just who is holding the bomb when the economic pass the parcel stops.
These policies dont go anywhere near enough to diffuse the bomb.
We should be investing in new industries for a new century and millennium.
Not trying to drag 200 yeard old forms of transport like hs2 along with this.
The UK is located over the gulf stream. We could be powering not only the UK but the rest of Europe with clean green energy.
Last year we barely met UK consumption at off peak times"
Gulf stream ?
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"Always amuses me lamenting the death of the high street , if folks want the high street saved its simple take your hard cash and spend it in the high street support the businesses going going bust , support the shop workers that are losing their jobs hand over fist , of course that wont happen as folks are too lazy to get off their butts far easier to do the lazy thing and feed the greedy american online tax doging business like amazon who treat their employees like trash .
Its quite simple save the high street spend your cash there or spend it online but theres no point bitching about the government and what they can do regardless of which party is in power it in the hands of the great british public but of course thats the same public that inflicted brexit on the uk the effects of which wont actually be felt until we fully leave which will be without a deal the way its heading "
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By *arksxMan
over a year ago
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"Always amuses me lamenting the death of the high street , if folks want the high street saved its simple take your hard cash and spend it in the high street support the businesses going going bust , support the shop workers that are losing their jobs hand over fist , of course that wont happen as folks are too lazy to get off their butts far easier to do the lazy thing and feed the greedy american online tax doging business like amazon who treat their employees like trash .
Its quite simple save the high street spend your cash there or spend it online but theres no point bitching about the government and what they can do regardless of which party is in power it in the hands of the great british public but of course thats the same public that inflicted brexit on the uk the effects of which wont actually be felt until we fully leave which will be without a deal the way its heading
Wasn't there a rumour that everyone was gonna get 5 ton to spend in high street vouchers?"
Not from any credible economic news sources.
Helicopter money is seen as the most desperate economic measure a government can make.
I know people feel like it would help right now... but long term and logically it's a terrible idea.
So expect the government to announce it soon |
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"Bring in a universal basic income, to allow people to spend time investing in themselves instead of worrying about putting food on the table.
Tax all internet companies at a similar level as if they were selling from the high street.
Double the minimum wage to stop shitty companies relying on the cheap labour instead of investing in efficiency improvements. We have the worst productivity in europe.
Those are my first back of the envelope thoughts(not considered in any depth...)
You do realise that doubling minimum wage will (1) result in more automation and less jobs and (2) offshoring of even more jobs?
The reason we have the worst productivity is simple. We pay people instead of using machines plus are a service based country and services are more labour intensive.
Not to mention the massive increase in inflation by doubling of many wage bills. Imagine your shop bought sandwich doubling in price.
That's what they said before they introduced the minimum wage
The minimum wage didn't double current wages. You also only have to look at the amount of jobs continually sent overseas to see that the minimum wage did have an impact. Thankfully not as big as some worried.
For minimum wage hikes, the whole world has to get a pay rise.
Do I think the minimum wage should be higher? Yes in a country with too few houses that are too expensive. No if we can get housing costs drastically lower. We need more housing to have a proper functioning economy."
I remember the tories and their mates predicting dire warnings about the economy collapsing if people actually got paid a humane wage which of course didn't happen.In fact the economy was quite buoyant through the 90s wasn't it?
It's quite simple ..pay people a decent wage and give them decent conditions and toy have a happy more productive workforce .
Treat them like shite and they won't give a fuck.
Sadly I think as we move to a more 'flexibke'ecomonomy I know which is more likely. |
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"They have got a big job on their hands..it does appear sunak is putting in the legwork.
Think they need to look at some radical measures however
2 for 1 meals ain't it.
Nor is apprenticeships for graduates.
Or furlough by a different name and bribing employers to eek a few extra months for keepinf staff at failing business
They have already spat a wad on furlough because the public have no savings nor where they incentivised to save since the last recession.
The average personal unsecured debt in UK now stands at close £10k per person.
Conservative government =private debt
Labour government = government debt
You can argue for whichever side of the flag you want but the debt doesn't change it's just who is holding the bomb when the economic pass the parcel stops.
These policies dont go anywhere near enough to diffuse the bomb.
We should be investing in new industries for a new century and millennium.
Not trying to drag 200 yeard old forms of transport like hs2 along with this.
The UK is located over the gulf stream. We could be powering not only the UK but the rest of Europe with clean green energy.
Last year we barely met UK consumption at off peak times
Agreed, the debt ain't going anywhere.
I think seeing as how large swathes of the economy may die a death, there's an argument for radical investment in national based manufacturing, building from the ground up in line for renewable energy and sustainable development.
Try and actually create done professional, mid skilled jobs that the societal average can access.
A national economic plan planned outside of government. Then the relevant government's job to fund it.
That plan should highlight the industries for the future and what ddgees are needed. Those courses should be free with a high entry requirement plus sponsored students from disadvantaged backgrounds. A requirement ho stay in the uk for a set period of time in return.
We need to move away from any old degree. Most people need to realise that large swathes of degrees are useless.
For people not suited to degrees, there should be an emphasis on vocational training. Stop devaluing manual labour. It is needed. We should create enough of our own brickies, plumbers, electricians etc. Set up a lot of local housing trusts that are linked to technical colleges. The pupils and graduates from these colleges then work for the housing trusts to build more and more houses. The colleges could be linked to health trusts as well so they can provide and build social infrastructure.
Make work pay. Building and living in your own community will create a sense of pride.
Just a few quick thoughts."
Very progressive policies
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"They have got a big job on their hands..it does appear sunak is putting in the legwork.
Think they need to look at some radical measures however
2 for 1 meals ain't it.
Nor is apprenticeships for graduates.
Or furlough by a different name and bribing employers to eek a few extra months for keepinf staff at failing business
They have already spat a wad on furlough because the public have no savings nor where they incentivised to save since the last recession.
The average personal unsecured debt in UK now stands at close £10k per person.
Conservative government =private debt
Labour government = government debt
You can argue for whichever side of the flag you want but the debt doesn't change it's just who is holding the bomb when the economic pass the parcel stops.
These policies dont go anywhere near enough to diffuse the bomb.
We should be investing in new industries for a new century and millennium.
Not trying to drag 200 yeard old forms of transport like hs2 along with this.
The UK is located over the gulf stream. We could be powering not only the UK but the rest of Europe with clean green energy.
Last year we barely met UK consumption at off peak times
Agreed, the debt ain't going anywhere.
I think seeing as how large swathes of the economy may die a death, there's an argument for radical investment in national based manufacturing, building from the ground up in line for renewable energy and sustainable development.
Try and actually create done professional, mid skilled jobs that the societal average can access.
A national economic plan planned outside of government. Then the relevant government's job to fund it.
That plan should highlight the industries for the future and what ddgees are needed. Those courses should be free with a high entry requirement plus sponsored students from disadvantaged backgrounds. A requirement ho stay in the uk for a set period of time in return.
We need to move away from any old degree. Most people need to realise that large swathes of degrees are useless.
For people not suited to degrees, there should be an emphasis on vocational training. Stop devaluing manual labour. It is needed. We should create enough of our own brickies, plumbers, electricians etc. Set up a lot of local housing trusts that are linked to technical colleges. The pupils and graduates from these colleges then work for the housing trusts to build more and more houses. The colleges could be linked to health trusts as well so they can provide and build social infrastructure.
Make work pay. Building and living in your own community will create a sense of pride.
Just a few quick thoughts.
Very progressive policies
"
Another one. Zero corporate tax rate. But allow them a set return - say 5% over base rate - on capital that can go to shareholders. Ban share buybacks as they are there just to enrich already rich people and management.
Anything more than that taxed at 100%. Should achieve several things including more long term thinking, lower prices, more investment and more jobs. Many people dont realise that the customer pays the tax. All dividends are calculated post tax so a higher corporate tax rate just means the company charges higher prices to meet its return on capital targets.
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"They have got a big job on their hands..it does appear sunak is putting in the legwork.
Think they need to look at some radical measures however
2 for 1 meals ain't it.
Nor is apprenticeships for graduates.
Or furlough by a different name and bribing employers to eek a few extra months for keepinf staff at failing business
They have already spat a wad on furlough because the public have no savings nor where they incentivised to save since the last recession.
The average personal unsecured debt in UK now stands at close £10k per person.
Conservative government =private debt
Labour government = government debt
You can argue for whichever side of the flag you want but the debt doesn't change it's just who is holding the bomb when the economic pass the parcel stops.
These policies dont go anywhere near enough to diffuse the bomb.
We should be investing in new industries for a new century and millennium.
Not trying to drag 200 yeard old forms of transport like hs2 along with this.
The UK is located over the gulf stream. We could be powering not only the UK but the rest of Europe with clean green energy.
Last year we barely met UK consumption at off peak times
Agreed, the debt ain't going anywhere.
I think seeing as how large swathes of the economy may die a death, there's an argument for radical investment in national based manufacturing, building from the ground up in line for renewable energy and sustainable development.
Try and actually create done professional, mid skilled jobs that the societal average can access.
A national economic plan planned outside of government. Then the relevant government's job to fund it.
That plan should highlight the industries for the future and what ddgees are needed. Those courses should be free with a high entry requirement plus sponsored students from disadvantaged backgrounds. A requirement ho stay in the uk for a set period of time in return.
We need to move away from any old degree. Most people need to realise that large swathes of degrees are useless.
For people not suited to degrees, there should be an emphasis on vocational training. Stop devaluing manual labour. It is needed. We should create enough of our own brickies, plumbers, electricians etc. Set up a lot of local housing trusts that are linked to technical colleges. The pupils and graduates from these colleges then work for the housing trusts to build more and more houses. The colleges could be linked to health trusts as well so they can provide and build social infrastructure.
Make work pay. Building and living in your own community will create a sense of pride.
Just a few quick thoughts.
Very progressive policies
"
I'd be mindful of the any old degree notion. I just think career paths and options should be laid out better so that young people don't feel so lost when leaving education. It's not that a degree is useless, it's just once they obtain it, no thought has really gone into what to do with it or what opportunities are best to pursue.
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The UK is located over the gulf stream. We could be powering not only the UK but the rest of Europe with clean green energy.
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How's this going to work? We get the gulf stream arriving as warming ocean currents, are you thinking of heat extraction from the sea water? |
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By *arksxMan
over a year ago
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The UK is located over the gulf stream. We could be powering not only the UK but the rest of Europe with clean green energy.
How's this going to work? We get the gulf stream arriving as warming ocean currents, are you thinking of heat extraction from the sea water? "
Gulf stream/jet stream let's use inclusive terms for the avoidance of doubt
Both are created from the transfer of heat from the tropics to the poles
Together they cause convection cells in the atmosphere
Let's use some highschool science... Warm air rises from the tropics. Its carried up to the poses higher into the atmosphere until it's starts to cool
During that process is sinks into the lower lattiude
Inbetween these pockets are violent jet streams of air. The speed of them is driven by the different temperature between these pockets with winds blowing 200-300mph
That's why we have offshore wind farms and why we should be building more on land where their installation is cheaper.
This is also the reason the uk skies are as grey the before picture on a just for men advert
And why it's constantly raining in the uk and why the West side of the country including Ireland gets more rain than the east. |
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The UK is located over the gulf stream. We could be powering not only the UK but the rest of Europe with clean green energy.
How's this going to work? We get the gulf stream arriving as warming ocean currents, are you thinking of heat extraction from the sea water?
Gulf stream/jet stream let's use inclusive terms for the avoidance of doubt
Both are created from the transfer of heat from the tropics to the poles
Together they cause convection cells in the atmosphere
Let's use some highschool science... Warm air rises from the tropics. Its carried up to the poses higher into the atmosphere until it's starts to cool
During that process is sinks into the lower lattiude
Inbetween these pockets are violent jet streams of air. The speed of them is driven by the different temperature between these pockets with winds blowing 200-300mph
That's why we have offshore wind farms and why we should be building more on land where their installation is cheaper.
This is also the reason the uk skies are as grey the before picture on a just for men advert
And why it's constantly raining in the uk and why the West side of the country including Ireland gets more rain than the east. "
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The UK is located over the gulf stream. We could be powering not only the UK but the rest of Europe with clean green energy.
How's this going to work? We get the gulf stream arriving as warming ocean currents, are you thinking of heat extraction from the sea water?
Gulf stream/jet stream let's use inclusive terms for the avoidance of doubt
Both are created from the transfer of heat from the tropics to the poles
Together they cause convection cells in the atmosphere
Let's use some highschool science... Warm air rises from the tropics. Its carried up to the poses higher into the atmosphere until it's starts to cool
During that process is sinks into the lower lattiude
Inbetween these pockets are violent jet streams of air. The speed of them is driven by the different temperature between these pockets with winds blowing 200-300mph
That's why we have offshore wind farms and why we should be building more on land where their installation is cheaper.
This is also the reason the uk skies are as grey the before picture on a just for men advert
And why it's constantly raining in the uk and why the West side of the country including Ireland gets more rain than the east. "
So you meant jet stream .
Then had to Google it to make it look like you knew what you were talking about.
The jet stream and the gulf stream are 2 different things.
One is in the atmosphere one is in the water. |
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By *arksxMan
over a year ago
Leicester / London |
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The UK is located over the gulf stream. We could be powering not only the UK but the rest of Europe with clean green energy.
How's this going to work? We get the gulf stream arriving as warming ocean currents, are you thinking of heat extraction from the sea water?
Gulf stream/jet stream let's use inclusive terms for the avoidance of doubt
Both are created from the transfer of heat from the tropics to the poles
Together they cause convection cells in the atmosphere
Let's use some highschool science... Warm air rises from the tropics. Its carried up to the poses higher into the atmosphere until it's starts to cool
During that process is sinks into the lower lattiude
Inbetween these pockets are violent jet streams of air. The speed of them is driven by the different temperature between these pockets with winds blowing 200-300mph
That's why we have offshore wind farms and why we should be building more on land where their installation is cheaper.
This is also the reason the uk skies are as grey the before picture on a just for men advert
And why it's constantly raining in the uk and why the West side of the country including Ireland gets more rain than the east.
So you meant jet stream .
Then had to Google it to make it look like you knew what you were talking about.
The jet stream and the gulf stream are 2 different things.
One is in the atmosphere one is in the water. "
They are intertwined symbiotic weather systems
Jesus what do you want a meteorological scientific breakdown. This is a swinging site.
I have imparted my opinions backed it up with some science and injected some humour along the way.
More than you get from most on here
Alright the economy and jobs will be saved with meal vouchers and people stuck in the middle economy trap. What does my investment career and knowledge know. |
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The UK is located over the gulf stream. We could be powering not only the UK but the rest of Europe with clean green energy.
How's this going to work? We get the gulf stream arriving as warming ocean currents, are you thinking of heat extraction from the sea water?
Gulf stream/jet stream let's use inclusive terms for the avoidance of doubt
Both are created from the transfer of heat from the tropics to the poles
Together they cause convection cells in the atmosphere
Let's use some highschool science... Warm air rises from the tropics. Its carried up to the poses higher into the atmosphere until it's starts to cool
During that process is sinks into the lower lattiude
Inbetween these pockets are violent jet streams of air. The speed of them is driven by the different temperature between these pockets with winds blowing 200-300mph
That's why we have offshore wind farms and why we should be building more on land where their installation is cheaper.
This is also the reason the uk skies are as grey the before picture on a just for men advert
And why it's constantly raining in the uk and why the West side of the country including Ireland gets more rain than the east.
So you meant jet stream .
Then had to Google it to make it look like you knew what you were talking about.
The jet stream and the gulf stream are 2 different things.
One is in the atmosphere one is in the water.
They are intertwined symbiotic weather systems
Jesus what do you want a meteorological scientific breakdown. This is a swinging site.
I have imparted my opinions backed it up with some science and injected some humour along the way.
More than you get from most on here
Alright the economy and jobs will be saved with meal vouchers and people stuck in the middle economy trap. What does my investment career and knowledge know. "
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
e mail from wirk today will be ringing us all induvidualy over the next couple of weeks but have been left in no doubt out of a workforce of 70 .50 of us will no longer be members of staff by begining of august.didnt realise how bad we have been hit but 74% of our trade has gone.would not be surprised by the end of the year if anyone left there is gone aswell. |
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"e mail from wirk today will be ringing us all induvidualy over the next couple of weeks but have been left in no doubt out of a workforce of 70 .50 of us will no longer be members of staff by begining of august.didnt realise how bad we have been hit but 74% of our trade has gone.would not be surprised by the end of the year if anyone left there is gone aswell."
Sorry to hear that mate it’s a tuff call on all company’s in this shit fight
I have to make those decisions on staff
Here to very soon as iv not being paid a penny since October trying to keep it all going but when furlough stops il close the company and head back to Australia with a big loss to my bank
accounts hindsight is a wonderful thing but it’s gonna get worse before it gets better I feel |
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The UK is located over the gulf stream. We could be powering not only the UK but the rest of Europe with clean green energy.
How's this going to work? We get the gulf stream arriving as warming ocean currents, are you thinking of heat extraction from the sea water?
Gulf stream/jet stream let's use inclusive terms for the avoidance of doubt
Both are created from the transfer of heat from the tropics to the poles
Together they cause convection cells in the atmosphere
Let's use some highschool science... Warm air rises from the tropics. Its carried up to the poses higher into the atmosphere until it's starts to cool
During that process is sinks into the lower lattiude
Inbetween these pockets are violent jet streams of air. The speed of them is driven by the different temperature between these pockets with winds blowing 200-300mph
That's why we have offshore wind farms and why we should be building more on land where their installation is cheaper.
This is also the reason the uk skies are as grey the before picture on a just for men advert
And why it's constantly raining in the uk and why the West side of the country including Ireland gets more rain than the east. "
There is no consistency from the pockets of air to successfully drive an AC type generator.
How large would the mechanical reactive device need to be to
A. Be tall enough in structure to reach into the jetstream?
B. Be substantial enough to withstand 200-300mph winds.
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By *arksxMan
over a year ago
Leicester / London |
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The UK is located over the gulf stream. We could be powering not only the UK but the rest of Europe with clean green energy.
How's this going to work? We get the gulf stream arriving as warming ocean currents, are you thinking of heat extraction from the sea water?
Gulf stream/jet stream let's use inclusive terms for the avoidance of doubt
Both are created from the transfer of heat from the tropics to the poles
Together they cause convection cells in the atmosphere
Let's use some highschool science... Warm air rises from the tropics. Its carried up to the poses higher into the atmosphere until it's starts to cool
During that process is sinks into the lower lattiude
Inbetween these pockets are violent jet streams of air. The speed of them is driven by the different temperature between these pockets with winds blowing 200-300mph
That's why we have offshore wind farms and why we should be building more on land where their installation is cheaper.
This is also the reason the uk skies are as grey the before picture on a just for men advert
And why it's constantly raining in the uk and why the West side of the country including Ireland gets more rain than the east.
There is no consistency from the pockets of air to successfully drive an AC type generator.
How large would the mechanical reactive device need to be to
A. Be tall enough in structure to reach into the jetstream?
B. Be substantial enough to withstand 200-300mph winds.
"
My field of expertise is investment.
I'm not a mechanical energy or meteorologist. But you can't post anything here without having a PhD or at least follow the boomer consensus
The jetstream does not end ar a specific vertical point in the sky.
Like all weather systems it trickles down through the atmosphere so winds that peak at 300mph at aeronautical height
Might be half and 1/3 of that at sea level to power wind turbines.
This isn't not science fiction though, its fact. The uk already has wins farm in the north sea...wanna guess who the nationality of the investment company....American.
A proper government backed infrastructure programme makes sense. We could produce more turbines for other nations to use.
The uk already has some of the world best jet engine blade engineers based here.
There is going to be no demand for jet planes and jet engines to build for a while.
So instead of bail rolls royce aviation out...the government could invest in this an retrain engineers with an existing knowledge of blade technology
The uk is the windiest nation in europe with has the largest patch of consistent flow. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"e mail from wirk today will be ringing us all induvidualy over the next couple of weeks but have been left in no doubt out of a workforce of 70 .50 of us will no longer be members of staff by begining of august.didnt realise how bad we have been hit but 74% of our trade has gone.would not be surprised by the end of the year if anyone left there is gone aswell.
Sorry to hear that mate it’s a tuff call on all company’s in this shit fight
I have to make those decisions on staff
Here to very soon as iv not being paid a penny since October trying to keep it all going but when furlough stops il close the company and head back to Australia with a big loss to my bank
accounts hindsight is a wonderful thing but it’s gonna get worse before it gets better I feel "
shit happens mate be honest with you i been preparing for this news since begining of june so not a complete shock.fuck knows how the m.d feels he was nearly in tears back in march wen he thought he would have to put us on 3 day weeks before furlough was announced.i have had a few bosses over the years and he has always treated me good.but is not the first time for me so will dust myself off and get back out there.no point dwelling on it |
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The UK is located over the gulf stream. We could be powering not only the UK but the rest of Europe with clean green energy.
How's this going to work? We get the gulf stream arriving as warming ocean currents, are you thinking of heat extraction from the sea water?
Gulf stream/jet stream let's use inclusive terms for the avoidance of doubt
Both are created from the transfer of heat from the tropics to the poles
Together they cause convection cells in the atmosphere
Let's use some highschool science... Warm air rises from the tropics. Its carried up to the poses higher into the atmosphere until it's starts to cool
During that process is sinks into the lower lattiude
Inbetween these pockets are violent jet streams of air. The speed of them is driven by the different temperature between these pockets with winds blowing 200-300mph
That's why we have offshore wind farms and why we should be building more on land where their installation is cheaper.
This is also the reason the uk skies are as grey the before picture on a just for men advert
And why it's constantly raining in the uk and why the West side of the country including Ireland gets more rain than the east.
There is no consistency from the pockets of air to successfully drive an AC type generator.
How large would the mechanical reactive device need to be to
A. Be tall enough in structure to reach into the jetstream?
B. Be substantial enough to withstand 200-300mph winds.
My field of expertise is investment.
I'm not a mechanical energy or meteorologist. But you can't post anything here without having a PhD or at least follow the boomer consensus
The jetstream does not end ar a specific vertical point in the sky.
Like all weather systems it trickles down through the atmosphere so winds that peak at 300mph at aeronautical height
Might be half and 1/3 of that at sea level to power wind turbines.
This isn't not science fiction though, its fact. The uk already has wins farm in the north sea...wanna guess who the nationality of the investment company....American.
A proper government backed infrastructure programme makes sense. We could produce more turbines for other nations to use.
The uk already has some of the world best jet engine blade engineers based here.
There is going to be no demand for jet planes and jet engines to build for a while.
So instead of bail rolls royce aviation out...the government could invest in this an retrain engineers with an existing knowledge of blade technology
The uk is the windiest nation in europe with has the largest patch of consistent flow."
It comes down to the consistency vs load demand.
We are progressing with projects like Triton Knoll but the issue is the windfarms cannot produce the required load on demand due the inconsistencies with nature.
The logical way to overcome this would be more wind farms tied into unified grid, but our current transmission system would require further expansion.
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By *arksxMan
over a year ago
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"e mail from wirk today will be ringing us all induvidualy over the next couple of weeks but have been left in no doubt out of a workforce of 70 .50 of us will no longer be members of staff by begining of august.didnt realise how bad we have been hit but 74% of our trade has gone.would not be surprised by the end of the year if anyone left there is gone aswell.
Sorry to hear that mate it’s a tuff call on all company’s in this shit fight
I have to make those decisions on staff
Here to very soon as iv not being paid a penny since October trying to keep it all going but when furlough stops il close the company and head back to Australia with a big loss to my bank
accounts hindsight is a wonderful thing but it’s gonna get worse before it gets better I feel
shit happens mate be honest with you i been preparing for this news since begining of june so not a complete shock.fuck knows how the m.d feels he was nearly in tears back in march wen he thought he would have to put us on 3 day weeks before furlough was announced.i have had a few bosses over the years and he has always treated me good.but is not the first time for me so will dust myself off and get back out there.no point dwelling on it"
Those of us who worked through 2008 seem to have this attitude
And I'm worried that boom and bust is becoming less of how to prepare and overcome it
Rather than let's ride this roller-coaster high until we smack face first into crash
Human nature we cant help ourselves from being greedy fuckers... its been happening since tulip mania
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By *arksxMan
over a year ago
Leicester / London |
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The UK is located over the gulf stream. We could be powering not only the UK but the rest of Europe with clean green energy.
How's this going to work? We get the gulf stream arriving as warming ocean currents, are you thinking of heat extraction from the sea water?
Gulf stream/jet stream let's use inclusive terms for the avoidance of doubt
Both are created from the transfer of heat from the tropics to the poles
Together they cause convection cells in the atmosphere
Let's use some highschool science... Warm air rises from the tropics. Its carried up to the poses higher into the atmosphere until it's starts to cool
During that process is sinks into the lower lattiude
Inbetween these pockets are violent jet streams of air. The speed of them is driven by the different temperature between these pockets with winds blowing 200-300mph
That's why we have offshore wind farms and why we should be building more on land where their installation is cheaper.
This is also the reason the uk skies are as grey the before picture on a just for men advert
And why it's constantly raining in the uk and why the West side of the country including Ireland gets more rain than the east.
There is no consistency from the pockets of air to successfully drive an AC type generator.
How large would the mechanical reactive device need to be to
A. Be tall enough in structure to reach into the jetstream?
B. Be substantial enough to withstand 200-300mph winds.
My field of expertise is investment.
I'm not a mechanical energy or meteorologist. But you can't post anything here without having a PhD or at least follow the boomer consensus
The jetstream does not end ar a specific vertical point in the sky.
Like all weather systems it trickles down through the atmosphere so winds that peak at 300mph at aeronautical height
Might be half and 1/3 of that at sea level to power wind turbines.
This isn't not science fiction though, its fact. The uk already has wins farm in the north sea...wanna guess who the nationality of the investment company....American.
A proper government backed infrastructure programme makes sense. We could produce more turbines for other nations to use.
The uk already has some of the world best jet engine blade engineers based here.
There is going to be no demand for jet planes and jet engines to build for a while.
So instead of bail rolls royce aviation out...the government could invest in this an retrain engineers with an existing knowledge of blade technology
The uk is the windiest nation in europe with has the largest patch of consistent flow.
It comes down to the consistency vs load demand.
We are progressing with projects like Triton Knoll but the issue is the windfarms cannot produce the required load on demand due the inconsistencies with nature.
The logical way to overcome this would be more wind farms tied into unified grid, but our current transmission system would require further expansion.
"
I hear what you saying which is exactly why I'm saying the government should be spending on this.
Not giving away 2 for 1 meal deal vouchers.
Until we have the innovation of more efficient wind farms just build more and invest into the grid.
Instead of again thinking about further nuclear power sites.
Nature has given us this free energy the idea we have a potential nuclear bomb powering our TV and kettles sound a mental to me.
If the government is happy to plough 20 years into hs2
They should be willing to plough 200 years into green energy. I can't see why any political party would be against it. So it benefits whoever will be in power. |
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The UK is located over the gulf stream. We could be powering not only the UK but the rest of Europe with clean green energy.
How's this going to work? We get the gulf stream arriving as warming ocean currents, are you thinking of heat extraction from the sea water?
Gulf stream/jet stream let's use inclusive terms for the avoidance of doubt
Both are created from the transfer of heat from the tropics to the poles
Together they cause convection cells in the atmosphere
Let's use some highschool science... Warm air rises from the tropics. Its carried up to the poses higher into the atmosphere until it's starts to cool
During that process is sinks into the lower lattiude
Inbetween these pockets are violent jet streams of air. The speed of them is driven by the different temperature between these pockets with winds blowing 200-300mph
That's why we have offshore wind farms and why we should be building more on land where their installation is cheaper.
This is also the reason the uk skies are as grey the before picture on a just for men advert
And why it's constantly raining in the uk and why the West side of the country including Ireland gets more rain than the east.
There is no consistency from the pockets of air to successfully drive an AC type generator.
How large would the mechanical reactive device need to be to
A. Be tall enough in structure to reach into the jetstream?
B. Be substantial enough to withstand 200-300mph winds.
My field of expertise is investment.
I'm not a mechanical energy or meteorologist. But you can't post anything here without having a PhD or at least follow the boomer consensus
The jetstream does not end ar a specific vertical point in the sky.
Like all weather systems it trickles down through the atmosphere so winds that peak at 300mph at aeronautical height
Might be half and 1/3 of that at sea level to power wind turbines.
This isn't not science fiction though, its fact. The uk already has wins farm in the north sea...wanna guess who the nationality of the investment company....American.
A proper government backed infrastructure programme makes sense. We could produce more turbines for other nations to use.
The uk already has some of the world best jet engine blade engineers based here.
There is going to be no demand for jet planes and jet engines to build for a while.
So instead of bail rolls royce aviation out...the government could invest in this an retrain engineers with an existing knowledge of blade technology
The uk is the windiest nation in europe with has the largest patch of consistent flow.
It comes down to the consistency vs load demand.
We are progressing with projects like Triton Knoll but the issue is the windfarms cannot produce the required load on demand due the inconsistencies with nature.
The logical way to overcome this would be more wind farms tied into unified grid, but our current transmission system would require further expansion.
I hear what you saying which is exactly why I'm saying the government should be spending on this.
Not giving away 2 for 1 meal deal vouchers.
Until we have the innovation of more efficient wind farms just build more and invest into the grid.
Instead of again thinking about further nuclear power sites.
Nature has given us this free energy the idea we have a potential nuclear bomb powering our TV and kettles sound a mental to me.
If the government is happy to plough 20 years into hs2
They should be willing to plough 200 years into green energy. I can't see why any political party would be against it. So it benefits whoever will be in power. "
Oh absolutely. We have squandered billions on obsolete projects.
Nuclear power is probably the most efficient of the lot as the process is incredibly clean to the point of the source being depleted. But the opposite side of that, we have seen the effects if it goes wrong.
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By *arksxMan
over a year ago
Leicester / London |
"
The UK is located over the gulf stream. We could be powering not only the UK but the rest of Europe with clean green energy.
How's this going to work? We get the gulf stream arriving as warming ocean currents, are you thinking of heat extraction from the sea water?
Gulf stream/jet stream let's use inclusive terms for the avoidance of doubt
Both are created from the transfer of heat from the tropics to the poles
Together they cause convection cells in the atmosphere
Let's use some highschool science... Warm air rises from the tropics. Its carried up to the poses higher into the atmosphere until it's starts to cool
During that process is sinks into the lower lattiude
Inbetween these pockets are violent jet streams of air. The speed of them is driven by the different temperature between these pockets with winds blowing 200-300mph
That's why we have offshore wind farms and why we should be building more on land where their installation is cheaper.
This is also the reason the uk skies are as grey the before picture on a just for men advert
And why it's constantly raining in the uk and why the West side of the country including Ireland gets more rain than the east.
There is no consistency from the pockets of air to successfully drive an AC type generator.
How large would the mechanical reactive device need to be to
A. Be tall enough in structure to reach into the jetstream?
B. Be substantial enough to withstand 200-300mph winds.
My field of expertise is investment.
I'm not a mechanical energy or meteorologist. But you can't post anything here without having a PhD or at least follow the boomer consensus
The jetstream does not end ar a specific vertical point in the sky.
Like all weather systems it trickles down through the atmosphere so winds that peak at 300mph at aeronautical height
Might be half and 1/3 of that at sea level to power wind turbines.
This isn't not science fiction though, its fact. The uk already has wins farm in the north sea...wanna guess who the nationality of the investment company....American.
A proper government backed infrastructure programme makes sense. We could produce more turbines for other nations to use.
The uk already has some of the world best jet engine blade engineers based here.
There is going to be no demand for jet planes and jet engines to build for a while.
So instead of bail rolls royce aviation out...the government could invest in this an retrain engineers with an existing knowledge of blade technology
The uk is the windiest nation in europe with has the largest patch of consistent flow.
It comes down to the consistency vs load demand.
We are progressing with projects like Triton Knoll but the issue is the windfarms cannot produce the required load on demand due the inconsistencies with nature.
The logical way to overcome this would be more wind farms tied into unified grid, but our current transmission system would require further expansion.
I hear what you saying which is exactly why I'm saying the government should be spending on this.
Not giving away 2 for 1 meal deal vouchers.
Until we have the innovation of more efficient wind farms just build more and invest into the grid.
Instead of again thinking about further nuclear power sites.
Nature has given us this free energy the idea we have a potential nuclear bomb powering our TV and kettles sound a mental to me.
If the government is happy to plough 20 years into hs2
They should be willing to plough 200 years into green energy. I can't see why any political party would be against it. So it benefits whoever will be in power.
Oh absolutely. We have squandered billions on obsolete projects.
Nuclear power is probably the most efficient of the lot as the process is incredibly clean to the point of the source being depleted. But the opposite side of that, we have seen the effects if it goes wrong.
"
I hear what you are saying but nuclear power sounds like over engineering a problem to me.but I'm no energy expert.
Possibly some countries have no choice but most either have access to solar wind or even tidal power.
After the uk just kicked China and Huawei out of are 5g network.
I expect alot of the investment to slow down in out nuclear sites.
Because again...who is investing in our infrastructure...edf a French power company literally owned by the French state government and China.
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The UK is located over the gulf stream. We could be powering not only the UK but the rest of Europe with clean green energy.
How's this going to work? We get the gulf stream arriving as warming ocean currents, are you thinking of heat extraction from the sea water?
Gulf stream/jet stream let's use inclusive terms for the avoidance of doubt
Both are created from the transfer of heat from the tropics to the poles
Together they cause convection cells in the atmosphere
Let's use some highschool science... Warm air rises from the tropics. Its carried up to the poses higher into the atmosphere until it's starts to cool
During that process is sinks into the lower lattiude
Inbetween these pockets are violent jet streams of air. The speed of them is driven by the different temperature between these pockets with winds blowing 200-300mph
That's why we have offshore wind farms and why we should be building more on land where their installation is cheaper.
This is also the reason the uk skies are as grey the before picture on a just for men advert
And why it's constantly raining in the uk and why the West side of the country including Ireland gets more rain than the east.
There is no consistency from the pockets of air to successfully drive an AC type generator.
How large would the mechanical reactive device need to be to
A. Be tall enough in structure to reach into the jetstream?
B. Be substantial enough to withstand 200-300mph winds.
My field of expertise is investment.
I'm not a mechanical energy or meteorologist. But you can't post anything here without having a PhD or at least follow the boomer consensus
The jetstream does not end ar a specific vertical point in the sky.
Like all weather systems it trickles down through the atmosphere so winds that peak at 300mph at aeronautical height
Might be half and 1/3 of that at sea level to power wind turbines.
This isn't not science fiction though, its fact. The uk already has wins farm in the north sea...wanna guess who the nationality of the investment company....American.
A proper government backed infrastructure programme makes sense. We could produce more turbines for other nations to use.
The uk already has some of the world best jet engine blade engineers based here.
There is going to be no demand for jet planes and jet engines to build for a while.
So instead of bail rolls royce aviation out...the government could invest in this an retrain engineers with an existing knowledge of blade technology
The uk is the windiest nation in europe with has the largest patch of consistent flow."
Oh for heavens sake please at least do your research. Europe's biggest and best wind turbine blade test rig is already in the UK, in Northumberland, or the site of a closed down shopyard and just down river from a closed down pit and coal terminal. Why?
Because a Labour government made the long term investment in the technology, the site and the people, fifteen years ago.
Generation capacity is one side of the equation, demand reduction is the other. Electric cars, for instance, are a transition tool as we move from mass transit of a commuter work model to neighbourhood living and home working.
Until we get our heads around the demand management side of the equation we're going to constantly be chasing least worst solutions. Want an example? The current favourite technology for smoothing supply against demand is battery farms - which use batteries containing rare commoddities which have a finite life - so sooner or later those rare materials will run out.
Sorry, I'm the world's least likely eco warrior, but some of this stuff is going to shape our politics for the next thirty years, and weirdly there are parallels with the face mask / covid 19 debate. Just as we should wear a facemask to protect our neighbours and our grannys, (rather than putting our needs and wishes first)so we need to ask ourselves if we need to turn the thermostat up, or charge the electric car again, and risk granny's lights going out, or just put an extra jumper on and shop locally. |
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The UK is located over the gulf stream. We could be powering not only the UK but the rest of Europe with clean green energy.
How's this going to work? We get the gulf stream arriving as warming ocean currents, are you thinking of heat extraction from the sea water?
Gulf stream/jet stream let's use inclusive terms for the avoidance of doubt
Both are created from the transfer of heat from the tropics to the poles
Together they cause convection cells in the atmosphere
Let's use some highschool science... Warm air rises from the tropics. Its carried up to the poses higher into the atmosphere until it's starts to cool
During that process is sinks into the lower lattiude
Inbetween these pockets are violent jet streams of air. The speed of them is driven by the different temperature between these pockets with winds blowing 200-300mph
That's why we have offshore wind farms and why we should be building more on land where their installation is cheaper.
This is also the reason the uk skies are as grey the before picture on a just for men advert
And why it's constantly raining in the uk and why the West side of the country including Ireland gets more rain than the east.
There is no consistency from the pockets of air to successfully drive an AC type generator.
How large would the mechanical reactive device need to be to
A. Be tall enough in structure to reach into the jetstream?
B. Be substantial enough to withstand 200-300mph winds.
My field of expertise is investment.
I'm not a mechanical energy or meteorologist. But you can't post anything here without having a PhD or at least follow the boomer consensus
The jetstream does not end ar a specific vertical point in the sky.
Like all weather systems it trickles down through the atmosphere so winds that peak at 300mph at aeronautical height
Might be half and 1/3 of that at sea level to power wind turbines.
This isn't not science fiction though, its fact. The uk already has wins farm in the north sea...wanna guess who the nationality of the investment company....American.
A proper government backed infrastructure programme makes sense. We could produce more turbines for other nations to use.
The uk already has some of the world best jet engine blade engineers based here.
There is going to be no demand for jet planes and jet engines to build for a while.
So instead of bail rolls royce aviation out...the government could invest in this an retrain engineers with an existing knowledge of blade technology
The uk is the windiest nation in europe with has the largest patch of consistent flow.
It comes down to the consistency vs load demand.
We are progressing with projects like Triton Knoll but the issue is the windfarms cannot produce the required load on demand due the inconsistencies with nature.
The logical way to overcome this would be more wind farms tied into unified grid, but our current transmission system would require further expansion.
I hear what you saying which is exactly why I'm saying the government should be spending on this.
Not giving away 2 for 1 meal deal vouchers.
Until we have the innovation of more efficient wind farms just build more and invest into the grid.
Instead of again thinking about further nuclear power sites.
Nature has given us this free energy the idea we have a potential nuclear bomb powering our TV and kettles sound a mental to me.
If the government is happy to plough 20 years into hs2
They should be willing to plough 200 years into green energy. I can't see why any political party would be against it. So it benefits whoever will be in power.
Oh absolutely. We have squandered billions on obsolete projects.
Nuclear power is probably the most efficient of the lot as the process is incredibly clean to the point of the source being depleted. But the opposite side of that, we have seen the effects if it goes wrong.
I hear what you are saying but nuclear power sounds like over engineering a problem to me.but I'm no energy expert.
Possibly some countries have no choice but most either have access to solar wind or even tidal power.
After the uk just kicked China and Huawei out of are 5g network.
I expect alot of the investment to slow down in out nuclear sites.
Because again...who is investing in our infrastructure...edf a French power company literally owned by the French state government and China.
To everyone losing your jobs in threads...its suck balls but heads up and look forward "
If you think investment into nuclear power is slowing down and no one is looking at alternative power solutions you've never heard of ITER.
Probably the biggest research project the world has ever seen.
If successful, it'll revolutionise the way power is generated throughout the world.
Yes, it's in France; 35 countries are putting money and expertise into it though.
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"Anyone thought about the notion that the high street won't return to bring a shoppers paradise, and that local government should be encouraged to stimulate new start upss buy using the new space for offices, or by converting to apartments/studio flats for those who work in the city centre? "
hate to break it to you but the majority wont be returning to offices either , companies have realised they can save a fortune on city centre space by pushing the cost onto their employees to work at home
watch the home office become the next key feature of selling a house
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"Bring in a universal basic income, to allow people to spend time investing in themselves instead of worrying about putting food on the table.
Tax all internet companies at a similar level as if they were selling from the high street.
Double the minimum wage to stop shitty companies relying on the cheap labour instead of investing in efficiency improvements. We have the worst productivity in europe.
Those are my first back of the envelope thoughts(not considered in any depth...)
You do realise that doubling minimum wage will (1) result in more automation and less jobs and (2) offshoring of even more jobs?
The reason we have the worst productivity is simple. We pay people instead of using machines plus are a service based country and services are more labour intensive.
Not to mention the massive increase in inflation by doubling of many wage bills. Imagine your shop bought sandwich doubling in price.
That's what they said before they introduced the minimum wage
The minimum wage didn't double current wages. You also only have to look at the amount of jobs continually sent overseas to see that the minimum wage did have an impact. Thankfully not as big as some worried.
For minimum wage hikes, the whole world has to get a pay rise.
Do I think the minimum wage should be higher? Yes in a country with too few houses that are too expensive. No if we can get housing costs drastically lower. We need more housing to have a proper functioning economy."
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The UK is located over the gulf stream. We could be powering not only the UK but the rest of Europe with clean green energy.
How's this going to work? We get the gulf stream arriving as warming ocean currents, are you thinking of heat extraction from the sea water?
Gulf stream/jet stream let's use inclusive terms for the avoidance of doubt
Both are created from the transfer of heat from the tropics to the poles
Together they cause convection cells in the atmosphere
Let's use some highschool science... Warm air rises from the tropics. Its carried up to the poses higher into the atmosphere until it's starts to cool
During that process is sinks into the lower lattiude
Inbetween these pockets are violent jet streams of air. The speed of them is driven by the different temperature between these pockets with winds blowing 200-300mph
That's why we have offshore wind farms and why we should be building more on land where their installation is cheaper.
This is also the reason the uk skies are as grey the before picture on a just for men advert
And why it's constantly raining in the uk and why the West side of the country including Ireland gets more rain than the east.
There is no consistency from the pockets of air to successfully drive an AC type generator.
How large would the mechanical reactive device need to be to
A. Be tall enough in structure to reach into the jetstream?
B. Be substantial enough to withstand 200-300mph winds.
My field of expertise is investment.
I'm not a mechanical energy or meteorologist. But you can't post anything here without having a PhD or at least follow the boomer consensus
The jetstream does not end ar a specific vertical point in the sky.
Like all weather systems it trickles down through the atmosphere so winds that peak at 300mph at aeronautical height
Might be half and 1/3 of that at sea level to power wind turbines.
This isn't not science fiction though, its fact. The uk already has wins farm in the north sea...wanna guess who the nationality of the investment company....American.
A proper government backed infrastructure programme makes sense. We could produce more turbines for other nations to use.
The uk already has some of the world best jet engine blade engineers based here.
There is going to be no demand for jet planes and jet engines to build for a while.
So instead of bail rolls royce aviation out...the government could invest in this an retrain engineers with an existing knowledge of blade technology
The uk is the windiest nation in europe with has the largest patch of consistent flow.
It comes down to the consistency vs load demand.
We are progressing with projects like Triton Knoll but the issue is the windfarms cannot produce the required load on demand due the inconsistencies with nature.
The logical way to overcome this would be more wind farms tied into unified grid, but our current transmission system would require further expansion.
I hear what you saying which is exactly why I'm saying the government should be spending on this.
Not giving away 2 for 1 meal deal vouchers.
Until we have the innovation of more efficient wind farms just build more and invest into the grid.
Instead of again thinking about further nuclear power sites.
Nature has given us this free energy the idea we have a potential nuclear bomb powering our TV and kettles sound a mental to me.
If the government is happy to plough 20 years into hs2
They should be willing to plough 200 years into green energy. I can't see why any political party would be against it. So it benefits whoever will be in power.
Oh absolutely. We have squandered billions on obsolete projects.
Nuclear power is probably the most efficient of the lot as the process is incredibly clean to the point of the source being depleted. But the opposite side of that, we have seen the effects if it goes wrong.
I hear what you are saying but nuclear power sounds like over engineering a problem to me.but I'm no energy expert.
Possibly some countries have no choice but most either have access to solar wind or even tidal power.
After the uk just kicked China and Huawei out of are 5g network.
I expect alot of the investment to slow down in out nuclear sites.
Because again...who is investing in our infrastructure...edf a French power company literally owned by the French state government and China.
To everyone losing your jobs in threads...its suck balls but heads up and look forward
If you think investment into nuclear power is slowing down and no one is looking at alternative power solutions you've never heard of ITER.
Probably the biggest research project the world has ever seen.
If successful, it'll revolutionise the way power is generated throughout the world.
Yes, it's in France; 35 countries are putting money and expertise into it though.
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The UK is located over the gulf stream. We could be powering not only the UK but the rest of Europe with clean green energy.
How's this going to work? We get the gulf stream arriving as warming ocean currents, are you thinking of heat extraction from the sea water?
Gulf stream/jet stream let's use inclusive terms for the avoidance of doubt
Both are created from the transfer of heat from the tropics to the poles
Together they cause convection cells in the atmosphere
Let's use some highschool science... Warm air rises from the tropics. Its carried up to the poses higher into the atmosphere until it's starts to cool
During that process is sinks into the lower lattiude
Inbetween these pockets are violent jet streams of air. The speed of them is driven by the different temperature between these pockets with winds blowing 200-300mph
That's why we have offshore wind farms and why we should be building more on land where their installation is cheaper.
This is also the reason the uk skies are as grey the before picture on a just for men advert
And why it's constantly raining in the uk and why the West side of the country including Ireland gets more rain than the east.
There is no consistency from the pockets of air to successfully drive an AC type generator.
How large would the mechanical reactive device need to be to
A. Be tall enough in structure to reach into the jetstream?
B. Be substantial enough to withstand 200-300mph winds.
My field of expertise is investment.
I'm not a mechanical energy or meteorologist. But you can't post anything here without having a PhD or at least follow the boomer consensus
The jetstream does not end ar a specific vertical point in the sky.
Like all weather systems it trickles down through the atmosphere so winds that peak at 300mph at aeronautical height
Might be half and 1/3 of that at sea level to power wind turbines.
This isn't not science fiction though, its fact. The uk already has wins farm in the north sea...wanna guess who the nationality of the investment company....American.
A proper government backed infrastructure programme makes sense. We could produce more turbines for other nations to use.
The uk already has some of the world best jet engine blade engineers based here.
There is going to be no demand for jet planes and jet engines to build for a while.
So instead of bail rolls royce aviation out...the government could invest in this an retrain engineers with an existing knowledge of blade technology
The uk is the windiest nation in europe with has the largest patch of consistent flow.
It comes down to the consistency vs load demand.
We are progressing with projects like Triton Knoll but the issue is the windfarms cannot produce the required load on demand due the inconsistencies with nature.
The logical way to overcome this would be more wind farms tied into unified grid, but our current transmission system would require further expansion.
I hear what you saying which is exactly why I'm saying the government should be spending on this.
Not giving away 2 for 1 meal deal vouchers.
Until we have the innovation of more efficient wind farms just build more and invest into the grid.
Instead of again thinking about further nuclear power sites.
Nature has given us this free energy the idea we have a potential nuclear bomb powering our TV and kettles sound a mental to me.
If the government is happy to plough 20 years into hs2
They should be willing to plough 200 years into green energy. I can't see why any political party would be against it. So it benefits whoever will be in power.
Oh absolutely. We have squandered billions on obsolete projects.
Nuclear power is probably the most efficient of the lot as the process is incredibly clean to the point of the source being depleted. But the opposite side of that, we have seen the effects if it goes wrong.
I hear what you are saying but nuclear power sounds like over engineering a problem to me.but I'm no energy expert.
Possibly some countries have no choice but most either have access to solar wind or even tidal power.
After the uk just kicked China and Huawei out of are 5g network.
I expect alot of the investment to slow down in out nuclear sites.
Because again...who is investing in our infrastructure...edf a French power company literally owned by the French state government and China.
To everyone losing your jobs in threads...its suck balls but heads up and look forward
If you think investment into nuclear power is slowing down and no one is looking at alternative power solutions you've never heard of ITER.
Probably the biggest research project the world has ever seen.
If successful, it'll revolutionise the way power is generated throughout the world.
Yes, it's in France; 35 countries are putting money and expertise into it though.
I watched a louis thereaux documentary some years ago. He inter_iewed the originator of 'the whole earth movement'. He admitted that nuclear power was the only way forward to reverse climate change otherwise we'd have to go back to horse and cart to stop it. "
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The UK is located over the gulf stream. We could be powering not only the UK but the rest of Europe with clean green energy.
How's this going to work? We get the gulf stream arriving as warming ocean currents, are you thinking of heat extraction from the sea water?
Gulf stream/jet stream let's use inclusive terms for the avoidance of doubt
Both are created from the transfer of heat from the tropics to the poles
Together they cause convection cells in the atmosphere
Let's use some highschool science... Warm air rises from the tropics. Its carried up to the poses higher into the atmosphere until it's starts to cool
During that process is sinks into the lower lattiude
Inbetween these pockets are violent jet streams of air. The speed of them is driven by the different temperature between these pockets with winds blowing 200-300mph
That's why we have offshore wind farms and why we should be building more on land where their installation is cheaper.
This is also the reason the uk skies are as grey the before picture on a just for men advert
And why it's constantly raining in the uk and why the West side of the country including Ireland gets more rain than the east.
There is no consistency from the pockets of air to successfully drive an AC type generator.
How large would the mechanical reactive device need to be to
A. Be tall enough in structure to reach into the jetstream?
B. Be substantial enough to withstand 200-300mph winds.
My field of expertise is investment.
I'm not a mechanical energy or meteorologist. But you can't post anything here without having a PhD or at least follow the boomer consensus
The jetstream does not end ar a specific vertical point in the sky.
Like all weather systems it trickles down through the atmosphere so winds that peak at 300mph at aeronautical height
Might be half and 1/3 of that at sea level to power wind turbines.
This isn't not science fiction though, its fact. The uk already has wins farm in the north sea...wanna guess who the nationality of the investment company....American.
A proper government backed infrastructure programme makes sense. We could produce more turbines for other nations to use.
The uk already has some of the world best jet engine blade engineers based here.
There is going to be no demand for jet planes and jet engines to build for a while.
So instead of bail rolls royce aviation out...the government could invest in this an retrain engineers with an existing knowledge of blade technology
The uk is the windiest nation in europe with has the largest patch of consistent flow.
It comes down to the consistency vs load demand.
We are progressing with projects like Triton Knoll but the issue is the windfarms cannot produce the required load on demand due the inconsistencies with nature.
The logical way to overcome this would be more wind farms tied into unified grid, but our current transmission system would require further expansion.
I hear what you saying which is exactly why I'm saying the government should be spending on this.
Not giving away 2 for 1 meal deal vouchers.
Until we have the innovation of more efficient wind farms just build more and invest into the grid.
Instead of again thinking about further nuclear power sites.
Nature has given us this free energy the idea we have a potential nuclear bomb powering our TV and kettles sound a mental to me.
If the government is happy to plough 20 years into hs2
They should be willing to plough 200 years into green energy. I can't see why any political party would be against it. So it benefits whoever will be in power.
Oh absolutely. We have squandered billions on obsolete projects.
Nuclear power is probably the most efficient of the lot as the process is incredibly clean to the point of the source being depleted. But the opposite side of that, we have seen the effects if it goes wrong.
I hear what you are saying but nuclear power sounds like over engineering a problem to me.but I'm no energy expert.
Possibly some countries have no choice but most either have access to solar wind or even tidal power.
After the uk just kicked China and Huawei out of are 5g network.
I expect alot of the investment to slow down in out nuclear sites.
Because again...who is investing in our infrastructure...edf a French power company literally owned by the French state government and China.
To everyone losing your jobs in threads...its suck balls but heads up and look forward
If you think investment into nuclear power is slowing down and no one is looking at alternative power solutions you've never heard of ITER.
Probably the biggest research project the world has ever seen.
If successful, it'll revolutionise the way power is generated throughout the world.
Yes, it's in France; 35 countries are putting money and expertise into it though.
I watched a louis thereaux documentary some years ago. He inter_iewed the originator of 'the whole earth movement'. He admitted that nuclear power was the only way forward to reverse climate change otherwise we'd have to go back to horse and cart to stop it.
And the problem with that is....."
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The UK is located over the gulf stream. We could be powering not only the UK but the rest of Europe with clean green energy.
How's this going to work? We get the gulf stream arriving as warming ocean currents, are you thinking of heat extraction from the sea water?
Gulf stream/jet stream let's use inclusive terms for the avoidance of doubt
Both are created from the transfer of heat from the tropics to the poles
Together they cause convection cells in the atmosphere
Let's use some highschool science... Warm air rises from the tropics. Its carried up to the poses higher into the atmosphere until it's starts to cool
During that process is sinks into the lower lattiude
Inbetween these pockets are violent jet streams of air. The speed of them is driven by the different temperature between these pockets with winds blowing 200-300mph
That's why we have offshore wind farms and why we should be building more on land where their installation is cheaper.
This is also the reason the uk skies are as grey the before picture on a just for men advert
And why it's constantly raining in the uk and why the West side of the country including Ireland gets more rain than the east.
There is no consistency from the pockets of air to successfully drive an AC type generator.
How large would the mechanical reactive device need to be to
A. Be tall enough in structure to reach into the jetstream?
B. Be substantial enough to withstand 200-300mph winds.
My field of expertise is investment.
I'm not a mechanical energy or meteorologist. But you can't post anything here without having a PhD or at least follow the boomer consensus
The jetstream does not end ar a specific vertical point in the sky.
Like all weather systems it trickles down through the atmosphere so winds that peak at 300mph at aeronautical height
Might be half and 1/3 of that at sea level to power wind turbines.
This isn't not science fiction though, its fact. The uk already has wins farm in the north sea...wanna guess who the nationality of the investment company....American.
A proper government backed infrastructure programme makes sense. We could produce more turbines for other nations to use.
The uk already has some of the world best jet engine blade engineers based here.
There is going to be no demand for jet planes and jet engines to build for a while.
So instead of bail rolls royce aviation out...the government could invest in this an retrain engineers with an existing knowledge of blade technology
The uk is the windiest nation in europe with has the largest patch of consistent flow.
It comes down to the consistency vs load demand.
We are progressing with projects like Triton Knoll but the issue is the windfarms cannot produce the required load on demand due the inconsistencies with nature.
The logical way to overcome this would be more wind farms tied into unified grid, but our current transmission system would require further expansion.
I hear what you saying which is exactly why I'm saying the government should be spending on this.
Not giving away 2 for 1 meal deal vouchers.
Until we have the innovation of more efficient wind farms just build more and invest into the grid.
Instead of again thinking about further nuclear power sites.
Nature has given us this free energy the idea we have a potential nuclear bomb powering our TV and kettles sound a mental to me.
If the government is happy to plough 20 years into hs2
They should be willing to plough 200 years into green energy. I can't see why any political party would be against it. So it benefits whoever will be in power.
Oh absolutely. We have squandered billions on obsolete projects.
Nuclear power is probably the most efficient of the lot as the process is incredibly clean to the point of the source being depleted. But the opposite side of that, we have seen the effects if it goes wrong.
I hear what you are saying but nuclear power sounds like over engineering a problem to me.but I'm no energy expert.
Possibly some countries have no choice but most either have access to solar wind or even tidal power.
After the uk just kicked China and Huawei out of are 5g network.
I expect alot of the investment to slow down in out nuclear sites.
Because again...who is investing in our infrastructure...edf a French power company literally owned by the French state government and China.
To everyone losing your jobs in threads...its suck balls but heads up and look forward
If you think investment into nuclear power is slowing down and no one is looking at alternative power solutions you've never heard of ITER.
Probably the biggest research project the world has ever seen.
If successful, it'll revolutionise the way power is generated throughout the world.
Yes, it's in France; 35 countries are putting money and expertise into it though.
I watched a louis thereaux documentary some years ago. He inter_iewed the originator of 'the whole earth movement'. He admitted that nuclear power was the only way forward to reverse climate change otherwise we'd have to go back to horse and cart to stop it.
And the problem with that is.....
No idea, do tell........"
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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hopefully find out this afternoon if i still working or not.firm is going from 70 employees down to 20.my department there are 8 of us and they only keeping 2. am on of the longest serving so would usually go in my favour.but this time round it all about jow much they can save.so my long service is well out the window.at least i will know if i got to start looking for something else |
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"hopefully find out this afternoon if i still working or not.firm is going from 70 employees down to 20.my department there are 8 of us and they only keeping 2. am on of the longest serving so would usually go in my favour.but this time round it all about jow much they can save.so my long service is well out the window.at least i will know if i got to start looking for something else"
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By *arksxMan
over a year ago
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"hopefully find out this afternoon if i still working or not.firm is going from 70 employees down to 20.my department there are 8 of us and they only keeping 2. am on of the longest serving so would usually go in my favour.but this time round it all about jow much they can save.so my long service is well out the window.at least i will know if i got to start looking for something else"
Your long service will also mean a chunky redundancy payment.
If they can dump 3 or employees for the same amount of money as your package you might still have a job.
Then again you might get to walk away with a decent wedge.
In these situations it's not always about who is most competent to do the job. So don't get to hung up if they let you go. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
"hopefully find out this afternoon if i still working or not.firm is going from 70 employees down to 20.my department there are 8 of us and they only keeping 2. am on of the longest serving so would usually go in my favour.but this time round it all about jow much they can save.so my long service is well out the window.at least i will know if i got to start looking for something else
Your long service will also mean a chunky redundancy payment.
If they can dump 3 or employees for the same amount of money as your package you might still have a job.
Then again you might get to walk away with a decent wedge.
In these situations it's not always about who is most competent to do the job. So don't get to hung up if they let you go. "
nah i not taking it personaly it is what it is.to be honest im surprised any of us will be keeping a job.and those who do get kept..well everyone has been told it still may not be enough to keep the company going so getting laid off first might be a blessing rather than ut happening later in the year.our trade is down 73% so not looking good |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
well it looks 90% certain i keeping my job at least till furlough ends,bit gutted for the others but gota look out for yourself i guess,was quiet surprised about how high i got scored as there were one or two others who been there lot longer than me,cant wait to start back and get some bills paid off |
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