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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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If this virus is not going away will start to see profiles asking to see a negative Covid test in the same way some ask for STD tests before they meet?
Strange world we live in. |
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
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"Bit pointless, a covid test is only valid at the time it was taken - you could catch it minutes after you leave the test centre."
Any test is only valid at the time if taking it too. Bit of a pointless exercise tbh. |
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"Bit pointless, a covid test is only valid at the time it was taken - you could catch it minutes after you leave the test centre.
True, but how soon do you become infections?"
You have the ability to pass it on as soon as you come into contact with it. |
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People have preferences so, as long as you match those of others, you're fine. Test results have limited validity, unless you can isolate someone from the moment they are tested, with repeated testing, so that you know the scope of the results.
Comprehensive measures are needed to help to ensure that people are healthier, as we've seen around the world. |
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"Bit pointless, a covid test is only valid at the time it was taken - you could catch it minutes after you leave the test centre.
True, but how soon do you become infections?
You have the ability to pass it on as soon as you come into contact with it."
Not true, the virus has to multiply and travel to the areas of the body where it can be expelled to infect others, that takes time. |
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"A positive antibody test will mean you can meet without risk of re-infection or infecting the other person.
Absolutely not true"
No evidence of people who have caught it catching it again. No evidence of people who have caught it being infectious after they have recovered. Ipso facto party on. |
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The Korea Centre for disease control found that people who recovered had antibodies that prevented re-infection and the few recovered patients that subsequently tested positive for the disease were not infectious as the positive tests had actually just detected dead virus particles. |
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"Bit pointless, a covid test is only valid at the time it was taken - you could catch it minutes after you leave the test centre.
True, but how soon do you become infections?
You have the ability to pass it on as soon as you come into contact with it.
Not true, the virus has to multiply and travel to the areas of the body where it can be expelled to infect others, that takes time. "
No it doesn't.
This is why we wipe down shopping trolley handles before using them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Bit pointless, a covid test is only valid at the time it was taken - you could catch it minutes after you leave the test centre."
So is an STD cert. All pointless unless you've been free of contact of both since last tested |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
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"Bit pointless, a covid test is only valid at the time it was taken - you could catch it minutes after you leave the test centre.
True, but how soon do you become infections?"
Even with a negative test you may already be infectious, or close to.
Around or just before the time a test would show positive you may not be shedding enough virus at the time the test was done.
You may even already be doing so but not enough viral material to show a positive result but high enough to infect someone else.
A negative could become positive within hours of each test, which is is why tests are not 100%.
From the report in The Lancet, don't rely on immunity or herd immunity as this has been rumoured for a while that although anti-bodies are present, reinfection is possible and now starting to be backed by studies. If so, forget any vaccine..
Further still, pressure is mounting on the WHO to reclassify to 'Airborne" which they and governments have been unwilling to do due to fear induced in populations.
It has been evident for a while that simply breathing or talking is enough to shed and spread the virus, not coughing or sneezing as we keep getting told.
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
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"It's all very well citing research showing lowering antibody levels etc, but it doesn't change the fact that after several months there is no evidence of anyone catching it twice."
Nor is there evidence that if you have antibodies that means you can’t pass it on to someone else.
This virus is new and still under research & re_iew.
What we learn about it today can change in the next few weeks after further research. |
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If paid for yourself. I would be happy to pay to be tested for a meet I’m particularly excited about. FAB would be wise to pay attention to this thread because although I agree with them not encouraging physical meets at the moment their site is based on that. I don’t think I’ll be renewing my site support until they change their rules. May only be £5 a month, but at the moment for what precisely? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If paid for yourself. I would be happy to pay to be tested for a meet I’m particularly excited about. FAB would be wise to pay attention to this thread because although I agree with them not encouraging physical meets at the moment their site is based on that. I don’t think I’ll be renewing my site support until they change their rules. May only be £5 a month, but at the moment for what precisely? "
So you think your £5 a month guarantees you a fuck sorry to disappoint it doesn't. Take the time to get to know people and arrange when it's safe or rent a male prostitute they may help but will cost you more than £5. Its not Fabs fault maybe you should look to yourself and do some work on getting chats then meets. |
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"It's all very well citing research showing lowering antibody levels etc, but it doesn't change the fact that after several months there is no evidence of anyone catching it twice.
Nor is there evidence that if you have antibodies that means you can’t pass it on to someone else.
This virus is new and still under research & re_iew.
What we learn about it today can change in the next few weeks after further research. "
What gets me is that WHO keep saying there is no evidence that recovering from the disease stops you catching it again. If you look at the facts though, they haven't found anybody who has caught it twice. It's like saying there is no proof the Lochness monster doesn't exist. Proving a negative is practically impossible.
There have been cases where people who have recovered have tested positive again but this has been shown to be the test detecting the dead virus particles. These people don't shed infectious live virus.
If you've had it you won't catch it again and you won't be infectious again. Simples. |
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"If paid for yourself. I would be happy to pay to be tested for a meet I’m particularly excited about. FAB would be wise to pay attention to this thread because although I agree with them not encouraging physical meets at the moment their site is based on that. I don’t think I’ll be renewing my site support until they change their rules. May only be £5 a month, but at the moment for what precisely?
So you think your £5 a month guarantees you a fuck sorry to disappoint it doesn't. Take the time to get to know people and arrange when it's safe or rent a male prostitute they may help but will cost you more than £5. Its not Fabs fault maybe you should look to yourself and do some work on getting chats then meets. "
If a swinging site doesn't allow you to swing then you are allowed to think twice about paying the subscription. Sky Sports suspended they subscriptions payments whilst there was no sport.
Having said that, fab have to be careful, you can easily imagine the Daily Mail headlines if they enable meets whilst the government have these restrictions in place. |
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"It's all very well citing research showing lowering antibody levels etc, but it doesn't change the fact that after several months there is no evidence of anyone catching it twice."
Isn't that how Russian Roulette works..?  |
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"It's all very well citing research showing lowering antibody levels etc, but it doesn't change the fact that after several months there is no evidence of anyone catching it twice.
Isn't that how Russian Roulette works..? "
I take it you don't fly or drive because there is plenty of evidence that can kill you, but you think that there being no evidence of something somehow makes it likely. |
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"A positive antibody test will mean you can meet without risk of re-infection or infecting the other person.
Absolutely not true
No evidence of people who have caught it catching it again. No evidence of people who have caught it being infectious after they have recovered. Ipso facto party on."
absolutely no evidence they don't |
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"It's all very well citing research showing lowering antibody levels etc, but it doesn't change the fact that after several months there is no evidence of anyone catching it twice.
Isn't that how Russian Roulette works..?
I take it you don't fly or drive because there is plenty of evidence that can kill you, but you think that there being no evidence of something somehow makes it likely."
Flying and driving are things that have a known set of risks and likelihoods.
We have neither of those with Covid.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Bit pointless, a covid test is only valid at the time it was taken - you could catch it minutes after you leave the test centre.
So is an STD cert. All pointless unless you've been free of contact of both since last tested"
Pretty much |
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"It's all very well citing research showing lowering antibody levels etc, but it doesn't change the fact that after several months there is no evidence of anyone catching it twice.
Isn't that how Russian Roulette works..?
I take it you don't fly or drive because there is plenty of evidence that can kill you, but you think that there being no evidence of something somehow makes it likely.
Flying and driving are things that have a known set of risks and likelihoods.
We have neither of those with Covid.
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After four months we have a pretty accurate idea: people who have caught it don't catch it again or infect others. About 1.5 million people have recovered from covid in Europe so I think that's a pretty big sample size.
Obviously you could keep looking for the next ten years to try and find someone who caught it twice and prove that hypothesis wrong or you could use it to inform your decisions. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's all very well citing research showing lowering antibody levels etc, but it doesn't change the fact that after several months there is no evidence of anyone catching it twice.
Isn't that how Russian Roulette works..?
I take it you don't fly or drive because there is plenty of evidence that can kill you, but you think that there being no evidence of something somehow makes it likely.
Flying and driving are things that have a known set of risks and likelihoods.
We have neither of those with Covid.
After four months we have a pretty accurate idea: people who have caught it don't catch it again or infect others. About 1.5 million people have recovered from covid in Europe so I think that's a pretty big sample size.
Obviously you could keep looking for the next ten years to try and find someone who caught it twice and prove that hypothesis wrong or you could use it to inform your decisions."
4 months is a drop in the ocean when trying to learn about a disease and it's potential long term effects. There are diseases we have known about for 20 years that still throw us the odd curve ball. They are discovering more and more people who may have "recovered" from Covid but are having ongoing damage to organs, brain tissue, long term post viral exhaustion. We are a very long way from getting a handle on how bad this could be beyond the obvious symptom of being dead. We also have no idea if immunity is permanent or only fleeting, so people may take 6 months or a year from recovery to being at risk of getting it again, possibly still with health complications from the first time. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"If paid for yourself. I would be happy to pay to be tested for a meet I’m particularly excited about. FAB would be wise to pay attention to this thread because although I agree with them not encouraging physical meets at the moment their site is based on that. I don’t think I’ll be renewing my site support until they change their rules. May only be £5 a month, but at the moment for what precisely?
So you think your £5 a month guarantees you a fuck sorry to disappoint it doesn't. Take the time to get to know people and arrange when it's safe or rent a male prostitute they may help but will cost you more than £5. Its not Fabs fault maybe you should look to yourself and do some work on getting chats then meets.
If a swinging site doesn't allow you to swing then you are allowed to think twice about paying the subscription. Sky Sports suspended they subscriptions payments whilst there was no sport.
Having said that, fab have to be careful, you can easily imagine the Daily Mail headlines if they enable meets whilst the government have these restrictions in place."
Its £5 they dnt guarantee you get a fuck. No one does. You need to put your own hard work it . Its a site. Its a tool the rest is up to the people on here |
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"If paid for yourself. I would be happy to pay to be tested for a meet I’m particularly excited about. FAB would be wise to pay attention to this thread because although I agree with them not encouraging physical meets at the moment their site is based on that. I don’t think I’ll be renewing my site support until they change their rules. May only be £5 a month, but at the moment for what precisely?
So you think your £5 a month guarantees you a fuck sorry to disappoint it doesn't. Take the time to get to know people and arrange when it's safe or rent a male prostitute they may help but will cost you more than £5. Its not Fabs fault maybe you should look to yourself and do some work on getting chats then meets. "
 do I look like I’m that desperate for a fuck? For £5 I don’t really care, it’s the principle. Don’t try to tar everybody with the same brush luv, some of us don’t need to be that desperate thanks  |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
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"It's all very well citing research showing lowering antibody levels etc, but it doesn't change the fact that after several months there is no evidence of anyone catching it twice.
Nor is there evidence that if you have antibodies that means you can’t pass it on to someone else.
This virus is new and still under research & re_iew.
What we learn about it today can change in the next few weeks after further research.
What gets me is that WHO keep saying there is no evidence that recovering from the disease stops you catching it again. If you look at the facts though, they haven't found anybody who has caught it twice. It's like saying there is no proof the Lochness monster doesn't exist. Proving a negative is practically impossible.
There have been cases where people who have recovered have tested positive again but this has been shown to be the test detecting the dead virus particles. These people don't shed infectious live virus.
If you've had it you won't catch it again and you won't be infectious again. Simples."
"....If you've had it you won't catch it again and you won't be infectious again. Simples...."
You have zero evidence to support that statement. |
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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By *adMerWoman
over a year ago
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Exactly this!
I am happy to pay for the extra features. Of course I could get a fuck without them.
Plus it’s less than a fiver a month. I pay for the year and it’s about £30. Very good value for money IMO! |
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By *aretobareCouple
over a year ago
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There is no long lasting immunity and many cases of reinfection of those that have caught it once - please read the WHO advice and don't listen to the worst scientists in we Europe on current statistics
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By *aretobareCouple
over a year ago
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"It's all very well citing research showing lowering antibody levels etc, but it doesn't change the fact that after several months there is no evidence of anyone catching it twice.
Nor is there evidence that if you have antibodies that means you can’t pass it on to someone else.
This virus is new and still under research & re_iew.
What we learn about it today can change in the next few weeks after further research.
What gets me is that WHO keep saying there is no evidence that recovering from the disease stops you catching it again. If you look at the facts though, they haven't found anybody who has caught it twice. It's like saying there is no proof the Lochness monster doesn't exist. Proving a negative is practically impossible.
There have been cases where people who have recovered have tested positive again but this has been shown to be the test detecting the dead virus particles. These people don't shed infectious live virus.
If you've had it you won't catch it again and you won't be infectious again. Simples."
Have you any understanding of virus mutation and the fact there are already three strains of Covid 19. You shouldn't be ion Paris there are plenty of vacancies for deadly idiots in the UK. You can catch it again and die from it and many never fully recover. If a new more virulent strain appears the same applies. |
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"There is no long lasting immunity and many cases of reinfection of those that have caught it once - please read the WHO advice and don't listen to the worst scientists in we Europe on current statistics
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What WHO said was that people who have recovered and tested negative for disease have later tested positive again suggesting they might have caught it again. However recent research by the Korea disease control centre shows that these subsequent positive tests were simply detecting dead virus particles and not live virus. So they hadn't caught the disease a second time. |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
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"There is no long lasting immunity and many cases of reinfection of those that have caught it once - please read the WHO advice and don't listen to the worst scientists in we Europe on current statistics
What WHO said was that people who have recovered and tested negative for disease have later tested positive again suggesting they might have caught it again. However recent research by the Korea disease control centre shows that these subsequent positive tests were simply detecting dead virus particles and not live virus. So they hadn't caught the disease a second time."
- There is no conclusive scientific evidence (yet) on the issue of immunity.
- Even if infected people have any immunity, we still do not know how long that immunity lasts for. There is a presumption that it may last 3-4 months, but that is still under re_iew.
- If the virus mutates, you may not be immune from the new mutations.
- Some people who recover from the virus don't produce any antibodies at all, as such there are questions as to whether such people have any immunity to start with. |
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"Goodness me. Who needs medical professionals. Lets all learn from the fab scientists........"
I'm just laying out the science to try a dispel this whole 'we're all doomed' thing that seems to be gripping the pessimists. |
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"It's all very well citing research showing lowering antibody levels etc, but it doesn't change the fact that after several months there is no evidence of anyone catching it twice.
Nor is there evidence that if you have antibodies that means you can’t pass it on to someone else.
This virus is new and still under research & re_iew.
What we learn about it today can change in the next few weeks after further research.
What gets me is that WHO keep saying there is no evidence that recovering from the disease stops you catching it again. If you look at the facts though, they haven't found anybody who has caught it twice. It's like saying there is no proof the Lochness monster doesn't exist. Proving a negative is practically impossible.
There have been cases where people who have recovered have tested positive again but this has been shown to be the test detecting the dead virus particles. These people don't shed infectious live virus.
If you've had it you won't catch it again and you won't be infectious again. Simples."
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You have an opinion but have no evidence. |
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