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Why wasn’t it mandatory to wear masks from the start ?
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By *omo217Man
over a year ago
Sydney |
TBF it wasn’t mandatory to socially distance at the start.
From a Brit in AU looking at it here you are always used to large Asian communities wearing masks in general. Not because they don’t want to catch something but because they don’t want to spread something.
I’ve worn a mask once and as someone who bites and nibbles their nails etc it made me acutely aware of just how much I touch my face with my hands in a day. No wonder I pick up infections etc etc.
Hotel Quarantine has been what’s kept AU so low.... aside from the Melbourne debacle. |
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They should have gone whole hog from the start with all measures. They need the people to play along to have any sort of effectiveness and that's not really happening. Masks are mandatory now in a lot of places but people don't use them. So do the government guidelines matter? |
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"Got any proof of that ? "
Why do people ask for 'proof' of something that hasn't happened? I think it was an opinion...
At the outbreak the evidence that face coverings helped reduce transmission wasnt clear. Also, some people still seem reluctant to wear them even after all we have been through so what chance would there have been of people accepting the requirement back in March?
Also, other than supermarkets, there hasn't been much of a reason to wear them. As we return to a form of normality, there will be more interaction and therefore a need to wear them. |
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By *omo217Man
over a year ago
Sydney |
"I think most advising to wear masks has TOTALLY forgotten about the eye's - LOL!!!
Masks not gonna do shit if someone sneezes close you your face - fact  "
It will if the person sneezing is wearing the mask. |
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"They should have gone whole hog from the start with all measures. They need the people to play along to have any sort of effectiveness and that's not really happening. Masks are mandatory now in a lot of places but people don't use them. So do the government guidelines matter?"
But,we have seen how resistant some people are to the introduction of new measures when it is done bit by bit.
If a whole load of measures had been introduced simultaneously, how would that have gone down? |
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By *dwalu2Couple
over a year ago
Bristol |
"I think most advising to wear masks has TOTALLY forgotten about the eye's - LOL!!!
Masks not gonna do shit if someone sneezes close you your face - fact "
Wearing masks is about protecting other people from you, not protecting you from other people. My mask helps protect you, your mask helps protect me.
In your example, if the person who sneezed was wearing a mask, the risk of transmission is hugely reduced.
Those are the facts. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Because the government were following WHO guidelines that said..
the official advice from the World Health Organization was that only two types of people should wear masks: those who are sick and show symptoms, and those who are caring for people who are suspected to have the coronavirus. |
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"This thing would have been done with by now!
alot of things we or government could but noone took it seriously   "
Even now, and all the way through, some have not and still not taking it seriously. We also have a huge minority who still insist on picking holes and loopholes in whatever guidance is being given.
As someone so eloquently said on these fora... The rules are just slowing the inevitable so that the systems are not overwhelmed.
Nothing has changed. There is a highly contagious virus in our midst, the only defence to stopping or slowing its spread is to socially distance and take precautions to avoid spreading it to others... Wash hands, don't sneeze in people's faces, don't cough in people's faces. Cover your mouth and nose. Yet we still have people basically arguing that their own lives are being disrupted and "ain't gonna have anyone telling me or my kids what to do" . Go figure.
It's very disheartening. As we need to stick together. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This thing would have been done with by now! "
The real question is why were flights still allowed to land and borders still open 3 weeks after covid cases started in the uk and 2 months after the first covid cases were confirmed in Europe |
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"This thing would have been done with by now!
The real question is why were flights still allowed to land and borders still open 3 weeks after covid cases started in the uk and 2 months after the first covid cases were confirmed in Europe"
It’s another valid question equally as important as the face covering.
Far as I can see it was worse than that as until recently no screening, temperature checks or quarantine for airport arrivals from anywhere. |
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If this virus only transmitted via what we breath out, face coverings could have helped. (We'll also pretend that people don't contaminate their masks and think they are safe) Let's not forget through that the virus survives on surfaces.
Plus thousands of people are exempt from wearing masks and rightly so. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Face coverings when out in public should have been made mandatory In March, it was my strong opinion then and it is now. It would have been an easy thing to enforce as well. Infuriating. "
I flew back from Tokyo Japan in March. In Japan if you don’t wear mask people look at you like you shit on their shoes ... however when I returned to England - everyone looked at me like I was crazy for wearing a mask. It’s good to see the tide changing.
It is true that masks most effective when everyone wears one - and that wearing a mask is about you saying “I want to protect others from myself!”
My suspicion is the government wanted to protect PPE supplies for NHS when they delayed Recommending masks - and instead recommended DIY masks. DIY mask are unhygienic in the long run - imho. Disposable masks are best.
Supply and demand means people are being extorted at this time for a product that probably costs 20p each to make??
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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watching sport and those on tv being interviewed nearly every one of them kept adjusting their face masks from the front which then contaminates their hands,its not enough people just wearing masks they need to be educated about wearing them.If that is the practice of most people then totally pointless and probably more likely to contract it than not wearing one. |
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The NHS and their associated partners have probably been getting through as many masks in a day as they used to get through in several months.
Extra demand would simply create more shortages and drive an already inflated price even higher. |
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over a year ago
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"Face coverings when out in public should have been made mandatory In March, it was my strong opinion then and it is now. It would have been an easy thing to enforce as well. Infuriating.
I flew back from Tokyo Japan in March. In Japan if you don’t wear mask people look at you like you shit on their shoes ... however when I returned to England - everyone looked at me like I was crazy for wearing a mask. It’s good to see the tide changing.
It is true that masks most effective when everyone wears one - and that wearing a mask is about you saying “I want to protect others from myself!”
My suspicion is the government wanted to protect PPE supplies for NHS when they delayed Recommending masks - and instead recommended DIY masks. DIY mask are unhygienic in the long run - imho. Disposable masks are best.
Supply and demand means people are being extorted at this time for a product that probably costs 20p each to make??
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They wear masks in large overcrowded citys because of pollution, let's stop being sheep clean the air and breathe as normal human beings. |
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By *rjimMan
over a year ago
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The average "mask" is pointless.
(unless you cough or sneeze into it and it catches droplets..)
If you typically need to breath in 500ml of air in one breath and exhale it.....and there is any open side to the mask...the air will take the easiest route and go in and out there.
The actual volume of air thru the mask is negligible. |
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"It's entirely natural to be full of worldly wisdom 4 months after an event, that no one in the world has ever had to deal with before.
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This. We were seeing massive shortages of equipment/PPE and the advice was to reserve them for medical staff who need them.
The evidence for benefit of non medical masks was at the time unclear.
Yes we should be wearing masks or face coverings. Yes it should have been done earlier. But like May earlier not March earlier. |
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"The average "mask" is pointless.
(unless you cough or sneeze into it and it catches droplets..)
If you typically need to breath in 500ml of air in one breath and exhale it.....and there is any open side to the mask...the air will take the easiest route and go in and out there.
The actual volume of air thru the mask is negligible."
A quick experiment, hold your hand 6 inches in front of you and blow out. Repeat wearing a mask with your hand in front and then again around top, sides and bottom. What do you notice? There is less force from the air you breathe out when covered.
If you coughed or sneezed into a mask the distance the droplets traveled would undoubtedly be less.
surely less spread = less contamination.
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"Anyone fit and healthy has nothing to worry about."
Oh how wrong you are.. this virus will fuck your lungs for (so far proven months).
Covid-19 doesn't care if you are healthy. As all that means is that you COULD be asthmatic.
Bottom line is - stop being selfish neanderthals and wear a fucking face covering whilst staying 2 meters apart or if you can't, at least 1 meter.
It's really not that taxing to think of someone else before your needs.. sex with you must be real fun for the other person if it is... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This thing would have been done with by now! "
It wouldn’t be.
Containing a virus is not a simple or easy thing. The public outrage annoys me, as if any of us are experts.Everyone parrots what they read in the paper or social media. There’s a time and a place for an enquiry - ideally when this is all over and we have the full picture. |
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As every other forum on the pandemic, it is amazing just how many experts there are in the world.
The government follow guidelines that are being changed day by day, this is an unprecedented situation that we in the UK are not making any better, because we listen to the hyped up media and social media.
The basic common sense approach is do what you can to keep the virus at bay, not everyone will wear face masks, not everyone will social distance, not everyone will wash their hands. But the more that do the more it will help.
However on the other side of the coin, not everyone will catch Covid, not everyone that does catch it will ever know they have it, not everyone that has it and is ill will die, not everyone that survives it will live much longer, not everyone that is listed as died of Covid would have lived anyway.
As said previously all you can do is your best to control it and keep it at bay, but you CANNOT let it control you. |
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FACE COVERINGS DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO STOP THE SPREAD OF COVID 19!
NOTING WHAT SO EVER!
I am so sick of trying to explain this in simple terms to people I have basically given up. Here goes.
A face covering is not a medical grade face mask and a medical grade face mask is not PPE. Only N95 or better filtration has any realistic effect at filtering out viruses. Putting a hanky over your mouth does nothing to protect you at all. That is why it was not recommended at the beginning. Social distancing, washing your hands, not taking stupid risks is the best way to protect yourself and reduce the risk of spreading it to others. The fact that the average person who does not understand the reality of particulate filtering will unfortunately believe putting a fabric over their face is some sort of protection is why the recommendation by the government is irresponsible in my humble opinion. Why do it? Because the government also have economic concerns and need the public to feel protected in some way to encourage them back to work in confined spaces, travel In confined spaces, send thier children back to school so they don't have that excuse to remain isolated. It is a policy of convenience. Keep your distance. Don't get complacent. If you have symptoms, get tested and self isolate. None of that has changed.
At best a face covering can catch droplets of mucus and saliva you cough up. If your coughing stuff up. Self isolate and get tested. Don't put a hanky over your face and carry on. The virus is not only spread by coughing gunk up but it is also carried on the finer particles that will inevitably escape.
It is spread by you breathing that in. When you are breathing you suck in a lot of air which will follow the path of least resistance, around your face covering where it doesn't fit properly which is why your breath will not be coming through your face covering in the quantity you expect. That's a two way street BTW. Anyone infected will be passing it on the same way. Symptoms? I think you get what I might say here. Isolate. Test. Vigilant.
If your face covering did a miraculous job of catching a droplet containing CV-19 which had designs on infiltrating your body, then it is now contaminated. It cannot filter the virus out and as you continue to suck air through it you run an increased risk of sucking that bad boy in but also now have the risk of passing it directly through contact with your face and your hands and anything else it comes into contact with. Don't forget how long this shitty bastard can survive in the air and on various materials. That has not changed. Keep washing those hands people, if things smell funny, you get a fever, sore throat, fatigue, short of breath then self isolate and get a test. A goddamn hanky over your face is not going to save you or stop you giving it to someone else.
This is exponentially easier to catch than HIV. Would you put a hanky over your sex bits and expect to be safe? Is a hanky a useful contraception? A sperm is waaay bigger than a virus. I can't think of any more ways to put it. Be vigilant and stay safe. Wash your hands. Keep your distance. If you are sick, don't take risks. Stay at home and get tested. Much love.
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Social distancing, washing your hands, not taking stupid risks is the best way to protect yourself and reduce the risk of spreading it to others. "
So what you are saying is, if we follow the other 2 rules "distance" & "disinfection" wearing a mask can do no harm.... So why not wear em? |
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"FACE COVERINGS DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO STOP THE SPREAD OF COVID 19!
NOTING WHAT SO EVER!
I am so sick of trying to explain this in simple terms to people I have basically given up. Here goes.
A face covering is not a medical grade face mask and a medical grade face mask is not PPE. Only N95 or better filtration has any realistic effect at filtering out viruses. Putting a hanky over your mouth does nothing to protect you at all. That is why it was not recommended at the beginning. Social distancing, washing your hands, not taking stupid risks is the best way to protect yourself and reduce the risk of spreading it to others. The fact that the average person who does not understand the reality of particulate filtering will unfortunately believe putting a fabric over their face is some sort of protection is why the recommendation by the government is irresponsible in my humble opinion. Why do it? Because the government also have economic concerns and need the public to feel protected in some way to encourage them back to work in confined spaces, travel In confined spaces, send thier children back to school so they don't have that excuse to remain isolated. It is a policy of convenience. Keep your distance. Don't get complacent. If you have symptoms, get tested and self isolate. None of that has changed.
At best a face covering can catch droplets of mucus and saliva you cough up. If your coughing stuff up. Self isolate and get tested. Don't put a hanky over your face and carry on. The virus is not only spread by coughing gunk up but it is also carried on the finer particles that will inevitably escape.
It is spread by you breathing that in. When you are breathing you suck in a lot of air which will follow the path of least resistance, around your face covering where it doesn't fit properly which is why your breath will not be coming through your face covering in the quantity you expect. That's a two way street BTW. Anyone infected will be passing it on the same way. Symptoms? I think you get what I might say here. Isolate. Test. Vigilant.
If your face covering did a miraculous job of catching a droplet containing CV-19 which had designs on infiltrating your body, then it is now contaminated. It cannot filter the virus out and as you continue to suck air through it you run an increased risk of sucking that bad boy in but also now have the risk of passing it directly through contact with your face and your hands and anything else it comes into contact with. Don't forget how long this shitty bastard can survive in the air and on various materials. That has not changed. Keep washing those hands people, if things smell funny, you get a fever, sore throat, fatigue, short of breath then self isolate and get a test. A goddamn hanky over your face is not going to save you or stop you giving it to someone else.
This is exponentially easier to catch than HIV. Would you put a hanky over your sex bits and expect to be safe? Is a hanky a useful contraception? A sperm is waaay bigger than a virus. I can't think of any more ways to put it. Be vigilant and stay safe. Wash your hands. Keep your distance. If you are sick, don't take risks. Stay at home and get tested. Much love.
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You. Make lots of assumptions there. Firstly that people who have symptoms will stay home. Facts are that some of them do not.
Second that asymptomatic people will not be in the public. They are.
I won't debate what barrier a face covering provides. You have your opinion, I have mine. But... Let's say someone sneezes.. Or coughs... Or breathes heavily...aerosols are free to land on surfaces that other people can touch and transfer. The aerosols in someone who is infected are likely to be loaded with virus.
A layer covering the face, will catch SOME of those aerosols.. And in that way...surely the viral load transferred to surfaces is reduced... A reduction is surely a good thing.?
Let's not forget this all started with one infected person transferring this to another unsuspecting person. |
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"This thing would have been done with by now! "
The evidence shown the time in Mar h showed masks made little difference in the general public only full ppe makes any difference.
This covid same as you is now a way of life just the risk to general population .at decrease it'll always be there, first discovered in China over 20years ago I a bat cave so it's nothing that new as a virus just it never jumped till 2017 in China and then diagnosed again in 2019 China again well documented and studied! |
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""FACE COVERINGS DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO STOP THE SPREAD OF COVID 19!"
You make lots of assumptions there. Firstly that people who have symptoms will stay home. Facts are that some of them do not.
Second that asymptomatic people will not be in the public. They are.
I won't debate what barrier a face covering provides. You have your opinion, I have mine. But... Let's say someone sneezes.. Or coughs... Or breathes heavily...aerosols are free to land on surfaces that other people can touch and transfer. The aerosols in someone who is infected are likely to be loaded with virus.
A layer covering the face, will catch SOME of those aerosols.. And in that way...surely the viral load transferred to surfaces is reduced... A reduction is surely a good thing.?
Let's not forget this all started with one infected person transferring this to another unsuspecting person. "
Agreed.
Social Distancing.
Face Coverings.
Wash/sanitise your hands.
Got symptoms? - Test. Isolate
It's not a hardship people. Others don't want to die just because you can't be arsed to protect others.
Maybe if it was a close member of your family/loved one struggling to survive with each breath you'd feel differently.. well.. hopefully  |
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""FACE COVERINGS DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO STOP THE SPREAD OF COVID 19!"
You make lots of assumptions there. Firstly that people who have symptoms will stay home. Facts are that some of them do not.
Second that asymptomatic people will not be in the public. They are.
I won't debate what barrier a face covering provides. You have your opinion, I have mine. But... Let's say someone sneezes.. Or coughs... Or breathes heavily...aerosols are free to land on surfaces that other people can touch and transfer. The aerosols in someone who is infected are likely to be loaded with virus.
A layer covering the face, will catch SOME of those aerosols.. And in that way...surely the viral load transferred to surfaces is reduced... A reduction is surely a good thing.?
Let's not forget this all started with one infected person transferring this to another unsuspecting person.
Agreed.
Social Distancing.
Face Coverings.
Wash/sanitise your hands.
Got symptoms? - Test. Isolate
It's not a hardship people. Others don't want to die just because you can't be arsed to protect others.
Maybe if it was a close member of your family/loved one struggling to survive with each breath you'd feel differently.. well.. hopefully "
Agreed. It's about reducing risk, unfortunately not eliminating it. |
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"FACE COVERINGS DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO STOP THE SPREAD OF COVID 19!
NOTING WHAT SO EVER!
I am so sick of trying to explain this in simple terms to people I have basically given up. Here goes.
A face covering is not a medical grade face mask and a medical grade face mask is not PPE. Only N95 or better filtration has any realistic effect at filtering out viruses. Putting a hanky over your mouth does nothing to protect you at all. That is why it was not recommended at the beginning. Social distancing, washing your hands, not taking stupid risks is the best way to protect yourself and reduce the risk of spreading it to others. The fact that the average person who does not understand the reality of particulate filtering will unfortunately believe putting a fabric over their face is some sort of protection is why the recommendation by the government is irresponsible in my humble opinion. Why do it? Because the government also have economic concerns and need the public to feel protected in some way to encourage them back to work in confined spaces, travel In confined spaces, send thier children back to school so they don't have that excuse to remain isolated. It is a policy of convenience. Keep your distance. Don't get complacent. If you have symptoms, get tested and self isolate. None of that has changed.
At best a face covering can catch droplets of mucus and saliva you cough up. If your coughing stuff up. Self isolate and get tested. Don't put a hanky over your face and carry on. The virus is not only spread by coughing gunk up but it is also carried on the finer particles that will inevitably escape.
It is spread by you breathing that in. When you are breathing you suck in a lot of air which will follow the path of least resistance, around your face covering where it doesn't fit properly which is why your breath will not be coming through your face covering in the quantity you expect. That's a two way street BTW. Anyone infected will be passing it on the same way. Symptoms? I think you get what I might say here. Isolate. Test. Vigilant.
If your face covering did a miraculous job of catching a droplet containing CV-19 which had designs on infiltrating your body, then it is now contaminated. It cannot filter the virus out and as you continue to suck air through it you run an increased risk of sucking that bad boy in but also now have the risk of passing it directly through contact with your face and your hands and anything else it comes into contact with. Don't forget how long this shitty bastard can survive in the air and on various materials. That has not changed. Keep washing those hands people, if things smell funny, you get a fever, sore throat, fatigue, short of breath then self isolate and get a test. A goddamn hanky over your face is not going to save you or stop you giving it to someone else.
This is exponentially easier to catch than HIV. Would you put a hanky over your sex bits and expect to be safe? Is a hanky a useful contraception? A sperm is waaay bigger than a virus. I can't think of any more ways to put it. Be vigilant and stay safe. Wash your hands. Keep your distance. If you are sick, don't take risks. Stay at home and get tested. Much love.
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"Agreed. It's about reducing risk, unfortunately not eliminating it.
Absolutely, if the risk was reduced by all, lives could be saved - that's the important thing to remember"
there's often situations where it's so tricky to stay 2 metre distance. I'm still for mask wearing in public enclosed places, anything to reduce the transmission is better than just chancing it? If you knew over 100 more lives could be saved by everyone wearing masks, why wouldn't you do it? So what seems the rest of the world wears masks, medical professionals who wear masks is doing it in vein? But general Joe public in uk doesn't need to? We have the highest death rate and been in lockdown for over 3 months now and general Joe Public knows better than the others? Well done uk for working well together by keeping 2 metre distance and washing your hands |
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"Because Knobhead Johnson and his Government are sh*t!"
You know that the PM and the government aren't the ones who do the research and make the recommendations, yes?
Hypothetically, another government in power but making the same decisions.
Are you going to be equally as scathing or are you going to keep schtum?
I'm guessing the latter......
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I have a few three layer homemade masks, which get washed between wearing them. I wear it to protect others. If others wore them too we Would protect each other more, especially if we maintain as much social distance as possible and keep washing our hands. It’s all about reducing risk. Sadly I don’t think the majority of the population understand the idea of reducing risk for each other and will continue to do what they want. Hence symptomatic people were in pubs this weekend.
I’ll continue to do my bit and hope others follow suit. If we do our bit changing our behaviour we have played our part. |
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"I have a question - why do you need the government to tell you to wear a mask? Why not wear one anyway ?"
OK the Internet is rife with contradictory or out of date information... This from the BBC.. So not the most reliable of sources... But food for thought...
"In late April, only about 25% of people in the UK wore face coverings, compared to 83.4% in Italy, 65.8% in the United States and 63.8% in Spain, according to one of the reports, which examined the factors limiting the take-up.
Not wearing a face covering should be regarded as "anti-social" in the same way as drink driving or failing to wear a seatbelt, Prof Ramakrishnan said.
"Not doing so increases the risk for everyone, from NHS workers to your grandmother," he said." |
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Probably the 2m distancing rule was enough. Now that it’s changed down south the face mask is something to help stop the virus from spreading.
We’re getting them from next week; got a feeling that they will open up the area a fair bit and then reduce the 2 m to 1 m |
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So what about the people who are asymptomic how to they self isolate when they have zero symptoms what so ever ?
""FACE COVERINGS DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO STOP THE SPREAD OF COVID 19!"
You make lots of assumptions there. Firstly that people who have symptoms will stay home. Facts are that some of them do not.
Second that asymptomatic people will not be in the public. They are.
I won't debate what barrier a face covering provides. You have your opinion, I have mine. But... Let's say someone sneezes.. Or coughs... Or breathes heavily...aerosols are free to land on surfaces that other people can touch and transfer. The aerosols in someone who is infected are likely to be loaded with virus.
A layer covering the face, will catch SOME of those aerosols.. And in that way...surely the viral load transferred to surfaces is reduced... A reduction is surely a good thing.?
Let's not forget this all started with one infected person transferring this to another unsuspecting person.
Agreed.
Social Distancing.
Face Coverings.
Wash/sanitise your hands.
Got symptoms? - Test. Isolate
It's not a hardship people. Others don't want to die just because you can't be arsed to protect others.
Maybe if it was a close member of your family/loved one struggling to survive with each breath you'd feel differently.. well.. hopefully "
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"I have a question - why do you need the government to tell you to wear a mask? Why not wear one anyway ?
OK the Internet is rife with contradictory or out of date information... This from the BBC.. So not the most reliable of sources... But food for thought...
"In late April, only about 25% of people in the UK wore face coverings, compared to 83.4% in Italy, 65.8% in the United States and 63.8% in Spain, according to one of the reports, which examined the factors limiting the take-up.
Not wearing a face covering should be regarded as "anti-social" in the same way as drink driving or failing to wear a seatbelt, Prof Ramakrishnan said.
"Not doing so increases the risk for everyone, from NHS workers to your grandmother," he said.""
Love statistics, they only prove that statistics mean absolutely nothing. Italy not doi g to well, Spain def not doing well and the US hmmmmmmm
Your stats suggest that wearing a face mask increases the chance of getting Covid 19!
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"I have a question - why do you need the government to tell you to wear a mask? Why not wear one anyway ?
OK the Internet is rife with contradictory or out of date information... This from the BBC.. So not the most reliable of sources... But food for thought...
"In late April, only about 25% of people in the UK wore face coverings, compared to 83.4% in Italy, 65.8% in the United States and 63.8% in Spain, according to one of the reports, which examined the factors limiting the take-up.
Not wearing a face covering should be regarded as "anti-social" in the same way as drink driving or failing to wear a seatbelt, Prof Ramakrishnan said.
"Not doing so increases the risk for everyone, from NHS workers to your grandmother," he said."
Love statistics, they only prove that statistics mean absolutely nothing. Italy not doi g to well, Spain def not doing well and the US hmmmmmmm
Your stats suggest that wearing a face mask increases the chance of getting Covid 19!
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You have to look at the date of the article |
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"I have a question - why do you need the government to tell you to wear a mask? Why not wear one anyway ?
OK the Internet is rife with contradictory or out of date information... This from the BBC.. So not the most reliable of sources... But food for thought...
"In late April, only about 25% of people in the UK wore face coverings, compared to 83.4% in Italy, 65.8% in the United States and 63.8% in Spain, according to one of the reports, which examined the factors limiting the take-up.
Not wearing a face covering should be regarded as "anti-social" in the same way as drink driving or failing to wear a seatbelt, Prof Ramakrishnan said.
"Not doing so increases the risk for everyone, from NHS workers to your grandmother," he said."
Love statistics, they only prove that statistics mean absolutely nothing. Italy not doi g to well, Spain def not doing well and the US hmmmmmmm
Your stats suggest that wearing a face mask increases the chance of getting Covid 19!
You have to look at the date of the article"
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"I have a question - why do you need the government to tell you to wear a mask? Why not wear one anyway ?
OK the Internet is rife with contradictory or out of date information... This from the BBC.. So not the most reliable of sources... But food for thought...
"In late April, only about 25% of people in the UK wore face coverings, compared to 83.4% in Italy, 65.8% in the United States and 63.8% in Spain, according to one of the reports, which examined the factors limiting the take-up.
Not wearing a face covering should be regarded as "anti-social" in the same way as drink driving or failing to wear a seatbelt, Prof Ramakrishnan said.
"Not doing so increases the risk for everyone, from NHS workers to your grandmother," he said."
Love statistics, they only prove that statistics mean absolutely nothing. Italy not doi g to well, Spain def not doing well and the US hmmmmmmm
Your stats suggest that wearing a face mask increases the chance of getting Covid 19!
You have to look at the date of the article
Why ?"
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By *yn drwgMan
over a year ago
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"Face coverings when out in public should have been made mandatory In March, it was my strong opinion then and it is now. It would have been an easy thing to enforce as well. Infuriating. "
Easy to enforce! The NHS and care homes struggled to get enough PPE to carry out they're work, to say that the whole population of UK should have worn masks from march is simply not practical |
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Easy to say this now - no one was saying it in December when it would have been any good. And, not wanting to repeat, but there is shit loads of evidence that if people wear face coverings they ignore all other precautions and end up increasing the risk of transmission.
To be clear - there is no evidence that face coverings prevent spread. They can help reduce it in certain circumstances but that’s it. Hence the PHE advice. It’s not a conspiracy - what is there to gain from asking people to use a non-PPE covering? Nothing. Put the tinfoil hats away. If it was as simple as wear face covering so you honestly think the Govt would have gone for spending gazillions of pounds in furloughing instead of asking people to self-fund a mask? Wow. |
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By *yn drwgMan
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"I have a few three layer homemade masks, which get washed between wearing them. I wear it to protect others. If others wore them too we Would protect each other more, especially if we maintain as much social distance as possible and keep washing our hands. It’s all about reducing risk. Sadly I don’t think the majority of the population understand the idea of reducing risk for each other and will continue to do what they want. Hence symptomatic people were in pubs this weekend.
I’ll continue to do my bit and hope others follow suit. If we do our bit changing our behaviour we have played our part."
It's become more common that people who tested positive for the virus have very mild symptoms, this could be down to many things, the virus isn't as aggressive, we have built some immunity who knows if people choose to go out and about you can't critise them there will never be a right time to lift restrictions. You have to remember that there are thousands of businesses that will simply fold in the next few weeks open or not, we can't stay in lockdown forever. |
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"Anyone fit and healthy has nothing to worry about.
Oh how wrong you are.. this virus will fuck your lungs for (so far proven months).
Covid-19 doesn't care if you are healthy. As all that means is that you COULD be asthmatic.
Bottom line is - stop being selfish neanderthals and wear a fucking face covering whilst staying 2 meters apart or if you can't, at least 1 meter.
It's really not that taxing to think of someone else before your needs.. sex with you must be real fun for the other person if it is... "
At least 60% who catch it don't even know they have it, so no fucked lungs there, most of the rest recover without issue. This is more government scaremongering to try persuade the fit and healthy that they have something to fear and need to play along with these draconian measures. They find someone with lung trouble and go "look we're all going to die!" |
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Main real main issues with face coverings despite there being limited evidence to show they work is that people dont wear them properly. Walk around you see them dangling off down by their chin, not covering their nose, constantly being adjusted.
Therefore anyone who is contagious is saturating thier mask, then spreading it everywhere on their hands, the number of people I see wearing masks but not sanitising when they walk into shops is unbelievable. Oh and don't get me going on the plastic visor things, am I the only one who see the big massive gaps at the bottom and down the side, actually what protection to the provide.
Masks appear to give some a false sense of security, my preference is to say 2m from people's pretty much all of the time and spend very limited time next to someone in shops and rely on hand washing. |
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Because they wanted us to catch it, for herd immunity. Yeh I said it. They think of us as cattle. Even at the cost of elderly and vulnerable.
"Come clean" Boris said.
They already knew how deadly it is.
The thing is, was it just strategy, population control or plain stupidity.
We will probably never get to the bottom of it.
Just wish Mr Hancock was at Event 201 last October or at least took on board the recommendations.
What were our spies in China doing? You'd of thought they would have set off alarm bells sooner or like I said they wanted us to catch it and run it's course.
Either way not enough done to save loved ones.
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"I have a question - why do you need the government to tell you to wear a mask? Why not wear one anyway ?
OK the Internet is rife with contradictory or out of date information... This from the BBC.. So not the most reliable of sources... But food for thought...
"In late April, only about 25% of people in the UK wore face coverings, compared to 83.4% in Italy, 65.8% in the United States and 63.8% in Spain, according to one of the reports, which examined the factors limiting the take-up.
Not wearing a face covering should be regarded as "anti-social" in the same way as drink driving or failing to wear a seatbelt, Prof Ramakrishnan said.
"Not doing so increases the risk for everyone, from NHS workers to your grandmother," he said."
Love statistics, they only prove that statistics mean absolutely nothing. Italy not doi g to well, Spain def not doing well and the US hmmmmmmm
Your stats suggest that wearing a face mask increases the chance of getting Covid 19!
You have to look at the date of the article
Why ?
You really don’t understand why? "
What article ? So much shit here it's hard to see what you're talking about. |
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"Easy to say this now - no one was saying it in December when it would have been any good. And, not wanting to repeat, but there is shit loads of evidence that if people wear face coverings they ignore all other precautions and end up increasing the risk of transmission.
To be clear - there is no evidence that face coverings prevent spread. They can help reduce it in certain circumstances but that’s it. Hence the PHE advice. It’s not a conspiracy - what is there to gain from asking people to use a non-PPE covering? Nothing. Put the tinfoil hats away. If it was as simple as wear face covering so you honestly think the Govt would have gone for spending gazillions of pounds in furloughing instead of asking people to self-fund a mask? Wow. "
There isn’t “shit loads of evidence that if people wear face coverings they ignore all other precautions and end up increasing the risk of transmission“. That was one small study. There’s more evidence that face coverings reduce transmission - not just of this virus but of many. These studies have existed for years and it’s been used as common sense around the world for years too.
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"Easy to say this now - no one was saying it in December when it would have been any good. And, not wanting to repeat, but there is shit loads of evidence that if people wear face coverings they ignore all other precautions and end up increasing the risk of transmission.
To be clear - there is no evidence that face coverings prevent spread. They can help reduce it in certain circumstances but that’s it. Hence the PHE advice. It’s not a conspiracy - what is there to gain from asking people to use a non-PPE covering? Nothing. Put the tinfoil hats away. If it was as simple as wear face covering so you honestly think the Govt would have gone for spending gazillions of pounds in furloughing instead of asking people to self-fund a mask? Wow.
There isn’t “shit loads of evidence that if people wear face coverings they ignore all other precautions and end up increasing the risk of transmission“. That was one small study. There’s more evidence that face coverings reduce transmission - not just of this virus but of many. These studies have existed for years and it’s been used as common sense around the world for years too.
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To be fair to the OP that you're quoting, he did say "They can help reduce it in certain circumstances"
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"the science is settled
they don't work"
What doesn't work ?
Face coverings ?
There's a scientific paper from years ago giving details of filtration and comparisons to surgical masks for various materials ...
Just Google it |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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"the science is settled
they don't work"
Fab experts are funny.
We did some costing and analysis and put various grades of mask into Africa and ME. It’s not rocket science if you’re at risk and can’t avoid people put on a mask, wash your hands and keep em off your face.
I bought 100 KN95 for post lockdown for me and the family and have only needed 5 so far , we avoid public transport and shop when it’s quiet, I make sure the oldies where them out though this thing could kill them
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Are we or aren't we meant to be wearing them in shops? I've just been to the supermarket which is 20 miles from my house (only because I'd been to the hospital in the same town, otherwise I don't shop there) and I was shocked at the amount not wearing them, including the over 70s.
I'd say less than 20% of people I saw were wearing them.
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"Are we or aren't we meant to be wearing them in shops? I've just been to the supermarket which is 20 miles from my house (only because I'd been to the hospital in the same town, otherwise I don't shop there) and I was shocked at the amount not wearing them, including the over 70s.
I'd say less than 20% of people I saw were wearing them.
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Only in shops where social distancing isn't possible.
Not compulsory. |
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"Scotland have made it mandatory, or they are I believe. It's only a matter of time before we follow suit I think. About time to! "
Google medical advice about wearing masks they are totally divided about if masks are beneficial or actually germ spreaders , we think masks de humanise people
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"Scotland have made it mandatory, or they are I believe. It's only a matter of time before we follow suit I think. About time to! Google medical advice about wearing masks they are totally divided about if masks are beneficial or actually germ spreaders , we think masks de humanise people "
As the WHO are.now admitting that the virus is airborne we are definitely thing it was a PPE issue, lack of fitted FFP3 masks influenced that guidance and has continued to do so, we simply cannot get them... |
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"Scotland have made it mandatory, or they are I believe. It's only a matter of time before we follow suit I think. About time to! Google medical advice about wearing masks they are totally divided about if masks are beneficial or actually germ spreaders , we think masks de humanise people
As the WHO are.now admitting that the virus is airborne we are definitely thing it was a PPE issue, lack of fitted FFP3 masks influenced that guidance and has continued to do so, we simply cannot get them... "
Love the WHO, some great tunes 
It's been known and well advertised right from the start the virus is airborne,that's why they introduced social distancing and had the lockdown restrictions. |
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By *lan157Man
over a year ago
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If masks had been made mandatory at the outset the available stock would have been quickly bought up by the same people who tripled their toilet roll buying and fought over a bag of pasta. |
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"If masks had been made mandatory at the outset the available stock would have been quickly bought up by the same people who tripled their toilet roll buying and fought over a bag of pasta. "
eating lots of
Pasta makes you constipated, why was the bog roll needed. |
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"It's entirely natural to be full of worldly wisdom 4 months after an event, that no one in the world has ever had to deal with before.
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Technically not quite correct.
The military have be told what to do in the event of an NBC attack, covid is a biological agent. So they are told to mask and suit up before going outdoors, then clean the suit and shower when coming indoors.
We were told to social distance, wash our hands, stay in unless we really had to go out.
Yet the amount of people who I had a go at for not social distancing when I was out and about, only to be told that they wouldn't get it, so it didn't matter about them not social distancing. |
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"It's entirely natural to be full of worldly wisdom 4 months after an event, that no one in the world has ever had to deal with before.
Technically not quite correct.
The military have be told what to do in the event of an NBC attack, covid is a biological agent. So they are told to mask and suit up before going outdoors, then clean the suit and shower when coming indoors.
We were told to social distance, wash our hands, stay in unless we really had to go out.
Yet the amount of people who I had a go at for not social distancing when I was out and about, only to be told that they wouldn't get it, so it didn't matter about them not social distancing."
Covid 19 isn't a biological agent, although it's being treated as one for the purposes of protection.
Quote;
The phrase “biological agent” is defined by reference to regulation 2 of the Control of Substances Hazardous to Human Health Regulations 2002 and includes any micro-organism which may cause infection. This is broad enough to include Covid-19.
It can be safely assumed that Covid-19 is a “biological agent” for the purpose of COSHH.
Key phrases;
This is broad enough to include Covid-19.
It can be safely assumed that Covid-19 is a “biological agent” for the purpose of COSHH.
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By *ixenhixCouple
over a year ago
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"because there were not enough masks to go around "
Seems strange - Covid mask wearing compulsory within the NHS covid wards that were allegedly overrun because the general; population were advised not to wear masks.... explain the logic |
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By *ixenhixCouple
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"TBF it wasn’t mandatory to socially distance at the start.
From a Brit in AU looking at it here you are always used to large Asian communities wearing masks in general. Not because they don’t want to catch something but because they don’t want to spread something.
I’ve worn a mask once and as someone who bites and nibbles their nails etc it made me acutely aware of just how much I touch my face with my hands in a day. No wonder I pick up infections etc etc.
Hotel Quarantine has been what’s kept AU so low.... aside from the Melbourne debacle. "
I may be ignorant but thought the majority of Asian mask wearers were due to the air quality being horrific and hoping to filter out the toxidity that was killing them rather than not passing something on. |
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Apparently Boris is thinking about talking about having a meeting to maybe discuss the possibility of perhaps making masks a little bit more compulsory in certain areas.
What decisive government we have ! |
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I just wish someone in charge would say wear a fucking mask
Too much contradiction from all sides and even within parties.
It’s all about the reduction of passing it on not the cure all!
If masks were not effective then we would not be using them in hospitals would we!!
It’s all about stopping joe public rushing out and stripping the stocks of masks.
That was the main fear of the government and the health service
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It’s just a mask
It’s just six feet
It’s just two weeks
It’s just church
It’s just to keep hospitals safe
It’s just to flatten the curve
It’s just a protest
It’s just a few more weeks
It’s just until we get a vaccine
“It’s just” never ends |
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
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"Apparently Boris is thinking about talking about having a meeting to maybe discuss the possibility of perhaps making masks a little bit more compulsory in certain areas.
What decisive government we have !"
Well he needs to get a bloody move on, they break up for summer soon!
Been to Aldi today, really busy, all tills open, no social distancing whatsoever! Only a few people wearing masks |
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"Apparently Boris is thinking about talking about having a meeting to maybe discuss the possibility of perhaps making masks a little bit more compulsory in certain areas.
What decisive government we have !
Well he needs to get a bloody move on, they break up for summer soon!
Been to Aldi today, really busy, all tills open, no social distancing whatsoever! Only a few people wearing masks "
It would be a good thing if the shops made it compulsory...a little like when the premier league cancelled all games and more or less started the lockdown before the gvmt. Then the ones who do will get a lot more shoppers through the doors imo |
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"It’s just a mask
It’s just six feet
It’s just two weeks
It’s just church
It’s just to keep hospitals safe
It’s just to flatten the curve
It’s just a protest
It’s just a few more weeks
It’s just until we get a vaccine
“It’s just” never ends"
Gove has said wearing a muzzle is not going to be made compulsory in shops at last some common sense |
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" Gove has said wearing a muzzle is not going to be made compulsory in shops at last some common sense"
Having rewatched the interview, he hasn't said that at all.
He's simply giving his opinion, which may/may not reflect that of the government. |
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