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over a year ago
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"this is only the start", "when will people realise this is here to stay", "far more people will die".
Dr. Michel Osterholm,director of infectious diceases, minnesota University |
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""this is only the start", "when will people realise this is here to stay", "far more people will die".
Dr. Michel Osterholm,director of infectious diceases, minnesota University "
Okay. So cancel life or learn to live with it and get on with life? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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""this is only the start", "when will people realise this is here to stay", "far more people will die".
Dr. Michel Osterholm,director of infectious diceases, minnesota University
Okay. So cancel life or learn to live with it and get on with life? "
Exactly, we have to just get on with life, when people were dying of plague, or any other past pandemic the rest just have to get on with life and it can't be on hold forever. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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""this is only the start", "when will people realise this is here to stay", "far more people will die".
Dr. Michel Osterholm,director of infectious diceases, minnesota University
Okay. So cancel life or learn to live with it and get on with life? "
Ah but it's where you are at eh.
For some its viewed to suspend this until it dies down and gives us time to developed treatments...as to them catching it may well cancel thier lives... |
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Imperial College ran some models on lockdown V no lockdown. From my understanding the results suggested lockdown in Europe has saved millions of lives but put us in a situation where it's still very early days and the virus has tons of potential still. However the model of no lockdown showed the virus would have pretty much burnt out now and be done with. But of course at the cost of millions of deaths. I suppose the question is can we realisticly move back to normalish life while still preventing millions of death without a vaccine? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Do you people realise that society as we know it will breakdown if herd immunity happens? And it will if no cure/vaccine is found quickly, this is not scare mongering or me with a tin hat,this the reality |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What about the rest of the population who are fit and healthy?
A vaccine isn't guaranteed anytime soon either"
They will spread it to thier elderly loved ones... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What about the rest of the population who are fit and healthy?
A vaccine isn't guaranteed anytime soon either
They will spread it to thier elderly loved ones..."
Not or they ( me) don't have elderly loved ones to pass a virus that I don't have on to. |
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"Do you people realise that society as we know it will breakdown if herd immunity happens? And it will if no cure/vaccine is found quickly, this is not scare mongering or me with a tin hat,this the reality "
I understand your personal frustration, but I think your fighting a loosing battle. |
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"Do you people realise that society as we know it will breakdown if herd immunity happens? And it will if no cure/vaccine is found quickly, this is not scare mongering or me with a tin hat,this the reality "
How do you stop herd immunity?
This is a world wide event. Humans are social creatures and with the levels of population it's not like every household can grow their own crops and keep livestock in their kitchen 
People will be exposed to this and other viruses, yes take precautions and do your own individual risk assessment but asking people to return to caves and slaughtering their own animals for food really is unrealistic |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Do you people realise that society as we know it will breakdown if herd immunity happens? And it will if no cure/vaccine is found quickly, this is not scare mongering or me with a tin hat,this the reality
How do you stop herd immunity?
This is a world wide event. Humans are social creatures and with the levels of population it's not like every household can grow their own crops and keep livestock in their kitchen
People will be exposed to this and other viruses, yes take precautions and do your own individual risk assessment but asking people to return to caves and slaughtering their own animals for food really is unrealistic "
I'm pretty sure keeping livestock is against my tenancy agreement and as much as I'd love to grow my own vegetables I definitely think the livestock would be a no no. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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It's all about risk and managing that risk. People aren't used to thinking about risk in their normal day to day lives. It's a risk to get in a car and drive somewhere.
It also seems scarier when you get a lot of deaths in a short period of time - makes it more newsworthy. Similar to plane crashes where, for example, a hundred people die in one go and road traffic deaths where a 100 people die over a few months - same number of deaths but only one makes front page headlines.
If you go out partying fine but then don't interact with anyone more at risk of dying from covid without taking precautions. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Do you people realise that society as we know it will breakdown if herd immunity happens? And it will if no cure/vaccine is found quickly, this is not scare mongering or me with a tin hat,this the reality
How do you stop herd immunity?
This is a world wide event. Humans are social creatures and with the levels of population it's not like every household can grow their own crops and keep livestock in their kitchen
People will be exposed to this and other viruses, yes take precautions and do your own individual risk assessment but asking people to return to caves and slaughtering their own animals for food really is unrealistic "
I'm not living in a cave again, got a house now,but you are correct about individual assessment, that is all we can do |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Do you people realise that society as we know it will breakdown if herd immunity happens? And it will if no cure/vaccine is found quickly, this is not scare mongering or me with a tin hat,this the reality "
Why would society break down if there is herd immunity? |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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""this is only the start", "when will people realise this is here to stay", "far more people will die".
Dr. Michel Osterholm,director of infectious diceases, minnesota University "
Might be trie in the US but 99.9%he is talking crap |
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By *rxhamMan
over a year ago
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""this is only the start", "when will people realise this is here to stay", "far more people will die".
Dr. Michel Osterholm,director of infectious diceases, minnesota University Might be trie in the US but 99.9%he is talking crap"
Completely agree |
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By *asIsaCouple
over a year ago
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""this is only the start", "when will people realise this is here to stay", "far more people will die".
Dr. Michel Osterholm,director of infectious diceases, minnesota University Might be trie in the US but 99.9%he is talking crap"
Why do think he is talking 'crap'? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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""this is only the start", "when will people realise this is here to stay", "far more people will die".
Dr. Michel Osterholm,director of infectious diceases, minnesota University Might be trie in the US but 99.9%he is talking crap"
Maybe you can guide us oh great one, and what qualifications do you have in infectious deceases? |
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We have to continue in an intelligent managed way. To be incautious would be inhumanitarian and stupid. We in the UK have lots of wealth, we're just going to have to be sensible and individually as well as the government.
Any vaccines may give some protection but the anti-vaccer lot will hold us away from herd immunity, such is the selfishness and stupidity that abounds in different ways. A selective, targeted approach with us taking care. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Do you people realise that society as we know it will breakdown if herd immunity happens? And it will if no cure/vaccine is found quickly, this is not scare mongering or me with a tin hat,this the reality "
I'm really not sure you have the right end of the stick here, herd immunity is ultimately what we want and need, it's the exact thing that will help allow the world to get back to normal. It will happen eventually whether that be by natural infection and recovery or immunisation once a vaccine is developed. The trick is to absolutely minimise the number of deaths along the way. Herd immunity is a term for the natural resistance built up within community or population that ultimately protects it, it's not about letting a virus rip through a population and hope for the best, which is the only thing I can see leading to a societal collapse you seem to be forecasting. |
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Dr. Michel Osterholm,director of infectious diceases, minnesota University
And this guy is not political, lol, I'm old enough to remember when Dr Fraudi went MIA for 3 weeks to facilitate the BLM riots, now he's back for July 4th and to try to fcuk up the July economy figures  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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What concerns me most about herd immunity is the virus mutating which means herd immunity will do nothing. NHS staff have all had antibody testing. I know of numerous who tested positive for covid yet negative on the antibody tests. They said it was to do with window periods but someone I knew had a positive covid test in march and neg antibodies in June |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What about the rest of the population who are fit and healthy?
A vaccine isn't guaranteed anytime soon either
They will spread it to thier elderly loved ones...
Not or they ( me) don't have elderly loved ones to pass a virus that I don't have on to."
What a selfish thing to say. So it doesn't matter if thousands of people die as long as your ok?
By the way fit and healthy people get it too - I know of a doctor whose healthy runs marathons whose currently fighting for his life in ICU |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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""this is only the start", "when will people realise this is here to stay", "far more people will die".
Dr. Michel Osterholm,director of infectious diceases, minnesota University
Okay. So cancel life or learn to live with it and get on with life? "
Who you asking? Im quoting him^^^, would you like me to email him your question? |
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By *etsomeMan
over a year ago
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"What concerns me most about herd immunity is the virus mutating which means herd immunity will do nothing. NHS staff have all had antibody testing. I know of numerous who tested positive for covid yet negative on the antibody tests. They said it was to do with window periods but someone I knew had a positive covid test in march and neg antibodies in June "
I've heard that viruses often mutate into less dangerous forms because the less dangerous ones are the ones that end up getting spread more. The logic being that the dangerous mutations kill the host which is not beneficial to the virus |
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What a selfish thing to say. So it doesn't matter if thousands of people die as long as your ok?
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That seems to be the new normal for anyone under 30, from my experience this week. They're shoulder to shoulder, a foot away if you're lucky.
It's just the definition of stupid and selfish. Still, they have the example of an 80 seat majority, after all. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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""this is only the start", "when will people realise this is here to stay", "far more people will die".
Dr. Michel Osterholm,director of infectious diceases, minnesota University "
I assume he is speaking specifically about Minesota? The state full of Trump loving virus denying eejits? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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""this is only the start", "when will people realise this is here to stay", "far more people will die".
Dr. Michel Osterholm,director of infectious diceases, minnesota University
I assume he is speaking specifically about Minesota? The state full of Trump loving virus denying eejits?"
The don't suppose the virus acts differently in other countries do you, I think was in general |
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By *etsomeMan
over a year ago
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""this is only the start", "when will people realise this is here to stay", "far more people will die".
Dr. Michel Osterholm,director of infectious diceases, minnesota University
I assume he is speaking specifically about Minesota? The state full of Trump loving virus denying eejits?"
there was higher employment of black people under racist trump than under non-racist obummer |
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By *etsomeMan
over a year ago
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"What about the rest of the population who are fit and healthy?
A vaccine isn't guaranteed anytime soon either
They will spread it to thier elderly loved ones...
Not or they ( me) don't have elderly loved ones to pass a virus that I don't have on to.
What a selfish thing to say. So it doesn't matter if thousands of people die as long as your ok?
By the way fit and healthy people get it too - I know of a doctor whose healthy runs marathons whose currently fighting for his life in ICU "
the argument could be made that lockdowns are selfish because some lockdown supporters will have gardens and jobs not in affected sectors |
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