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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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'Significant number' of people may have some natural immunity to coronavirus'
Please search this title . . . I have a pay wall pass to many news outlets (family in the BBC lol).
But basically the story is - in the title really - and explains that the significance of having t-cells. As they assist in the protection from the virus - in older people the t-cells die off naturally and are not as able to deal with triggering immunity.
Goes a long way to explain perhaps how children and younger spectrum ages are less prone to serious illness. (all illness in fact).
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"'Significant number' of people may have some natural immunity to coronavirus'
Please search this title . . . I have a pay wall pass to many news outlets (family in the BBC lol).
But basically the story is - in the title really - and explains that the significance of having t-cells. As they assist in the protection from the virus - in older people the t-cells die off naturally and are not as able to deal with triggering immunity.
Goes a long way to explain perhaps how children and younger spectrum ages are less prone to serious illness. (all illness in fact).
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Interesting will investigate thanks |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's not about triggering immunity but being part of the immune system.
Look up adaptive immune system. It will explain about killer cells and helper cells (it will discuss the production of T & B cells - one triggering the production of the other, and if up-to-date, it'll explain recent research findings of varying functions).
A simple way of looking at it is that once the body has been exposed to a pathogen and finally overcomes it, the immune system then remembers how it beat the pathogen and has a head start if re-exposed to the pathogen. Normally resulting in a less severe/shorter duration of the disease.
Of course, if the immune system goes into overdrive, then the result may be autoimmune diseases, sepsis, pneumonia and other complications.
I do advocate looking up the subject as I am unable to articulate as well as I could. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Look up Marcus Buggert (professor at the Centre for Infectious Disease Medicine in Sen).
His findings are aling the lines of 3x as many people (30%?) Having T-cell immunity |
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The low fatality levels in places like Germany were highlighted as there being some kind of unknown 'dark matter' that may exist in populations, that helps them to achieve greater success with survival, beyond what we already know about our immune systems. |
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"It's not about triggering immunity but being part of the immune system.
Look up adaptive immune system. It will explain about killer cells and helper cells (it will discuss the production of T & B cells - one triggering the production of the other, and if up-to-date, it'll explain recent research findings of varying functions).
A simple way of looking at it is that once the body has been exposed to a pathogen and finally overcomes it, the immune system then remembers how it beat the pathogen and has a head start if re-exposed to the pathogen. Normally resulting in a less severe/shorter duration of the disease.
Of course, if the immune system goes into overdrive, then the result may be autoimmune diseases, sepsis, pneumonia and other complications.
I do advocate looking up the subject as I am unable to articulate as well as I could. "
You did a dam good job, thank you |
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By *eordiesCouple
over a year ago
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"The low fatality levels in places like Germany were highlighted as there being some kind of unknown 'dark matter' that may exist in populations, that helps them to achieve greater success with survival, beyond what we already know about our immune systems. "
This about HIV has similar overtones;
LIVERPOOL, UK - 9 March 2005: Biologists at the University of Liverpool have discovered how the plagues of the Middle Ages have made around 10% of Europeans resistant to HIV.
Scientists have known for some time that these individuals carry a genetic mutation (known as CCR5-Ä32) that prevents the virus from entering the cells of the immune system but have been unable to account for the high levels of the gene in Scandinavia and relatively low levels in areas bordering the Mediterranean.
So it seems reasonable to assume that in the UK, many people will have a natural immunity to CV_19, while others, even of the same ethnic background, will catch CV_19 and have a massive re-action. The rest will probably be somewhere in the middle. |
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"The low fatality levels in places like Germany were highlighted as there being some kind of unknown 'dark matter' that may exist in populations, that helps them to achieve greater success with survival, beyond what we already know about our immune systems.
This about HIV has similar overtones;
LIVERPOOL, UK - 9 March 2005: Biologists at the University of Liverpool have discovered how the plagues of the Middle Ages have made around 10% of Europeans resistant to HIV.
Scientists have known for some time that these individuals carry a genetic mutation (known as CCR5-Ä32) that prevents the virus from entering the cells of the immune system but have been unable to account for the high levels of the gene in Scandinavia and relatively low levels in areas bordering the Mediterranean.
So it seems reasonable to assume that in the UK, many people will have a natural immunity to CV_19, while others, even of the same ethnic background, will catch CV_19 and have a massive re-action. The rest will probably be somewhere in the middle."
I'm thinking that that HIV resistant mutation is what that awful Dr had tried to insert in the Chinese babies that he created. He got it wrong, broke the law and worse, subjected a couple of girls to risk.  |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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"It's not about triggering immunity but being part of the immune system.
Look up adaptive immune system. It will explain about killer cells and helper cells (it will discuss the production of T & B cells - one triggering the production of the other, and if up-to-date, it'll explain recent research findings of varying functions).
A simple way of looking at it is that once the body has been exposed to a pathogen and finally overcomes it, the immune system then remembers how it beat the pathogen and has a head start if re-exposed to the pathogen. Normally resulting in a less severe/shorter duration of the disease.
Of course, if the immune system goes into overdrive, then the result may be autoimmune diseases, sepsis, pneumonia and other complications.
I do advocate looking up the subject as I am unable to articulate as well as I could.
You did a dam good job, thank you"
 Agreed, you did explain really well
The body effectively nukes itself
So breaking news is that as we get older we are more likely to get ill. We also get weak and break more easily. We kind of know this already production of T, gH is all linked, you breed then you get old ,bit of you break, you die. |
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"Be interesting to know how
Well an immune system is in a person who regularly is prescribed anti-biotics & one who isn't, with relation to covid-19"
If someone was regularly prescribed antibiotics then surely they would have an underlyng condition and be susceptible to covid? |
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By *eordiesCouple
over a year ago
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"Be interesting to know how
Well an immune system is in a person who regularly is prescribed anti-biotics & one who isn't, with relation to covid-19
If someone was regularly prescribed antibiotics then surely they would have an underlyng condition and be susceptible to covid?"
Antibiotics are NO use in fighting a virus !!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Be interesting to know how
Well an immune system is in a person who regularly is prescribed anti-biotics & one who isn't, with relation to covid-19
If someone was regularly prescribed antibiotics then surely they would have an underlyng condition and be susceptible to covid?
Antibiotics are NO use in fighting a virus !!!"
That doesn't respond to either of the points raised.
Anyone querying whether they are more susceptible to catching the virus, or susceptible to a severe case, check with your doctor.
If you're on prophylactic (prevention) antibiotics, ie long term and you're worried, speak to your doctor. If you have a consultant for any long term condition, speak to them. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Be interesting to know how
Well an immune system is in a person who regularly is prescribed anti-biotics & one who isn't, with relation to covid-19
If someone was regularly prescribed antibiotics then surely they would have an underlyng condition and be susceptible to covid?
Antibiotics are NO use in fighting a virus !!!
That doesn't respond to either of the points raised.
Anyone querying whether they are more susceptible to catching the virus, or susceptible to a severe case, check with your doctor.
If you're on prophylactic (prevention) antibiotics, ie long term and you're worried, speak to your doctor. If you have a consultant for any long term condition, speak to them. "
Personally i havent had an antibiotic in 12 years.
Its just a small question , which has little relevance.
Just interested to know . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Be interesting to know how
Well an immune system is in a person who regularly is prescribed anti-biotics & one who isn't, with relation to covid-19
If someone was regularly prescribed antibiotics then surely they would have an underlyng condition and be susceptible to covid?
Antibiotics are NO use in fighting a virus !!!
That doesn't respond to either of the points raised.
Anyone querying whether they are more susceptible to catching the virus, or susceptible to a severe case, check with your doctor.
If you're on prophylactic (prevention) antibiotics, ie long term and you're worried, speak to your doctor. If you have a consultant for any long term condition, speak to them.
Personally i havent had an antibiotic in 12 years.
Its just a small question , which has little relevance.
Just interested to know ."
Prophylactic antibiotics are not going to be beneficial to the immune system re fighting the virus. Use of antibiotics is known to have adverse affects on the immune system because it cannot differentiate between good and bad bacteria so thrush or diarrhoea may occur.
Prophylactic abx are prescribed rarely. In 20 years I have only come across one (elderly) person having been prescribed as such (for a recurring water infection).
Is his immune system compromised being the cause of infections?
He would have to consult a doctor. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Studies in Tokyo show that Japanese people seem to develop an immune response almost immediately when they show symptoms. Suggesting that maybe Asia has been exposed to a similar virus on a large scale before, or perhaps an innate immunity in those communities.
I wonder if the same could happen here? |
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By *eordiesCouple
over a year ago
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"Studies in Tokyo show that Japanese people seem to develop an immune response almost immediately when they show symptoms. Suggesting that maybe Asia has been exposed to a similar virus on a large scale before, or perhaps an innate immunity in those communities.
I wonder if the same could happen here?"
Would you have any links to official studies which show that? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Studies in Tokyo show that Japanese people seem to develop an immune response almost immediately when they show symptoms. Suggesting that maybe Asia has been exposed to a similar virus on a large scale before, or perhaps an innate immunity in those communities.
I wonder if the same could happen here?
Would you have any links to official studies which show that?"
There are several by Tatsuhiko Kodama if you’d like to search his name. Hope that helps |
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By *eordiesCouple
over a year ago
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"Studies in Tokyo show that Japanese people seem to develop an immune response almost immediately when they show symptoms. Suggesting that maybe Asia has been exposed to a similar virus on a large scale before, or perhaps an innate immunity in those communities.
I wonder if the same could happen here?
Would you have any links to official studies which show that?
There are several by Tatsuhiko Kodama if you’d like to search his name. Hope that helps "
Yes, thanks.
I read the short article you referred to and while it is as you described they can't really pinpoint why Japanese and other Nations in that area seem to have had fewer CV_19 deaths. |
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"It's nothing to do with blood types, it's all about how your airways filter the air you breath, that's why face masks are the best prevention.
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Not what the science says but I'm sure you know best, thanks |
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