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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Latest data shows that TOTAL deaths from ALL causes has now dropped BELOW the 5 year average. Has "lockdown"...even tho only ever partial, and ignored by some, reduced transmission of other illnesses too? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Latest data shows that TOTAL deaths from ALL causes has now dropped BELOW the 5 year average. Has "lockdown"...even tho only ever partial, and ignored by some, reduced transmission of other illnesses too?"
Or those who would have died around no have died earlier due to getting covid. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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Well when you take 65 million people and by and large lock most of them up for 12 weeks and that most of them DID and STILL DO social distance and practice mitigation . . . then yes without doubt it worked.
People who were vulnerable to added health problems while out in the community stayed at home so had much less risk to general stuff like colds and flu.
So. not surprising really that it is now below average for the time of year.
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"Quite possibly due to both I think"
Statistics, lies and damn lies indeed. I think lockdown has given people time and space to think and reflect and question things we would never have contemplated previously and then media feed us all kinds of suspicion juice.
I mean who honestly ever looked at national statistics before let alone seasonal average death rates.
But to your point, I noticed the same thing regarding the last 2 weeks total death rate by all causes and don't have enough knowledge to interpret them sensibly.
I do suspect that lockdown reduced a number of things to our benefit but also suspect in 6 weeks time we will be running on the hamster wheel so fast that we won't want to think about the last few months... And the blame merchants will be finding people who didn't make perfect decisions to string up. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Most of the bad decisions made by the covidiots who refused to follow guidance, looked for loopholes rather than how they could comply safely and then blamed everyone else when they went partying, raves, stuffed beaches protesting etc.... |
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By *Wman15Man
over a year ago
Altrincham |
It is, of course, a 5 year average so inevitably at least one year will be below the average
Some causes of death have undoubtedly dropped over lockdown - road deaths for example
We will never know the true impact given that there will be those who have fatally delayed diagnoses or treatment for serious diseases that could've been treated |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
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"Latest data shows that TOTAL deaths from ALL causes has now dropped BELOW the 5 year average. Has "lockdown"...even tho only ever partial, and ignored by some, reduced transmission of other illnesses too?"
Yes I think lockdown would have contributed to that reduction.
Also during lockdown, less people were travelling on the roads. That could amount to less people dying from road accidents during that period. |
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"Latest data shows that TOTAL deaths from ALL causes has now dropped BELOW the 5 year average. Has "lockdown"...even tho only ever partial, and ignored by some, reduced transmission of other illnesses too?
Or those who would have died around no have died earlier due to getting covid."
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It would be interesting to see the numbers (up or down) of A&E admissions over the 14 weeks. Having watched an A&E documentary, I am guessing/hoping they are massively down as there are less alcohol related actions. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Don't worry death rates will soon start rising again,I know people who are ill and can't get to see a GP . And if they call 111 they are told they have to wait till they think their life is in danger, then call a ambulance. It's been like this for weeks, and don't believe the crap you hear it's not getting any better. Latest data says the NHS is running about 60% |
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By *Wman15Man
over a year ago
Altrincham |
"It would be interesting to see the numbers (up or down) of A&E admissions over the 14 weeks. Having watched an A&E documentary, I am guessing/hoping they are massively down as there are less alcohol related actions. "
They are indeed massively down
One of my neighbours is a triage nurse at the local A&E and she says that in around 50% of admissions alcohol is a factor |
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It's a great indication that we're towards a much safer place to be at, than where we were. It's valuable to look at these and other data, to help give a more robust understanding of what's happening.
Good things from lockdown were the indirect benefits, such as reductions in pollution etc.
We need to npw6 focus on actual infection levels, to reduce them even further, so that the pubs opening etc don't turn things the other way. Stopping physical engagement during lockdown reduced our levels of infection, so reversing it is problematic. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It would be interesting to see the numbers (up or down) of A&E admissions over the 14 weeks. Having watched an A&E documentary, I am guessing/hoping they are massively down as there are less alcohol related actions.
They are indeed massively down
One of my neighbours is a triage nurse at the local A&E and she says that in around 50% of admissions alcohol is a factor "
yes for a few hours on a Friday and Saturday night,so that accounts for about 5% of A&E time. |
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"If it wasn’t used by so people in the press for political gain we might have had a more open government I fell.
Maybe we will never find out. "
The majority of the UK media are conservative right wing biased, so supportive of the strategy here |
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"Latest data shows that TOTAL deaths from ALL causes has now dropped BELOW the 5 year average. Has "lockdown"...even tho only ever partial, and ignored by some, reduced transmission of other illnesses too?"
That was the principal, yes |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Latest data shows that TOTAL deaths from ALL causes has now dropped BELOW the 5 year average. Has "lockdown"...even tho only ever partial, and ignored by some, reduced transmission of other illnesses too?"
It would have reduced communicable diseases, yes. |
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Excess deaths turning negative, when compared with the 5-year average, may suggest that those that may have died at some point in this year have died sooner than expected due to covid19.
Will be interesting to see if this trend continues.
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
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"It would be interesting to see the numbers (up or down) of A&E admissions over the 14 weeks. Having watched an A&E documentary, I am guessing/hoping they are massively down as there are less alcohol related actions.
They are indeed massively down
One of my neighbours is a triage nurse at the local A&E and she says that in around 50% of admissions alcohol is a factor yes for a few hours on a Friday and Saturday night,so that accounts for about 5% of A&E time."
Whatever the % is, the numbers have gone down.
Try and be 'positive'  :- |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Excess deaths turning negative, when compared with the 5-year average, may suggest that those that may have died at some point in this year have died sooner than expected due to covid19.
Will be interesting to see if this trend continues.
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I have said all along the true figures for every country will not be known until its over and comparisons can be made with previous years.Also the demographics of each country for eg density of population,average age of population,percentage of bame in population etc it is far to early without this info to see how well or bad a country has done. |
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"Latest data shows that TOTAL deaths from ALL causes has now dropped BELOW the 5 year average. Has "lockdown"...even tho only ever partial, and ignored by some, reduced transmission of other illnesses too?
Or those who would have died around no have died earlier due to getting covid."
more thank likely. Professor sikora mentioned (and was criticised for it) a few weeks ago. |
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"Excess deaths turning negative, when compared with the 5-year average, may suggest that those that may have died at some point in this year have died sooner than expected due to covid19.
Will be interesting to see if this trend continues.
I have said all along the true figures for every country will not be known until its over and comparisons can be made with previous years.Also the demographics of each country for eg density of population,average age of population,percentage of bame in population etc it is far to early without this info to see how well or bad a country has done."
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"If it wasn’t used by so people in the press for political gain we might have had a more open government I fell.
Maybe we will never find out.
The majority of the UK media are conservative right wing biased, so supportive of the strategy here"
Take a look at pew research for unbiased evidence of political leanings of all media outlets. |
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COVID-19 cases are allegedly spiking. However,deaths dropping dramatically.
This because Flu season is over,and COVID-19 deaths can no longer be lumped together with Flu deaths to artificially inflate the numbers,or its mutating and weakening. |
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By *Wman15Man
over a year ago
Altrincham |
"It would be interesting to see the numbers (up or down) of A&E admissions over the 14 weeks. Having watched an A&E documentary, I am guessing/hoping they are massively down as there are less alcohol related actions.
They are indeed massively down
One of my neighbours is a triage nurse at the local A&E and she says that in around 50% of admissions alcohol is a factor yes for a few hours on a Friday and Saturday night,so that accounts for about 5% of A&E time."
Typo on my part - I meant 15%! That is total admissions not just a few hours on particular days of the week  |
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"COVID-19 cases are allegedly spiking. However,deaths dropping dramatically.
This because Flu season is over,and COVID-19 deaths can no longer be lumped together with Flu deaths to artificially inflate the numbers,or its mutating and weakening. "
No |
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By *yn drwgMan
over a year ago
Camarthen |
The whole figures thing hasn't exactly been accurate, why not take the average death rate over last 3 yrs from March to June and take that out of total deaths in that period for 2020 surely that would give us a more true figure of covid death's. Just my opinion! |
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"The whole figures thing hasn't exactly been accurate, why not take the average death rate over last 3 yrs from March to June and take that out of total deaths in that period for 2020 surely that would give us a more true figure of covid death's. Just my opinion! "
The data is available on the ONS website, just need to do some totalling, but....
March - current available
220,270
Previous 5 years
161,800
Deaths mentioning C19
49,001
Difference 58,470
This is for England and Wales only
Hopefully my numbers are accurate |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Man attacked by 29 foot Great White shark off coast of Devon.
Body parts and half a surfboard washed up on beach.
Cause of death ?
Covid 19.
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Was the shark asymptomatic |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Man attacked by 29 foot Great White shark off coast of Devon.
Body parts and half a surfboard washed up on beach.
Cause of death ?
Covid 19.
Was the shark asymptomatic"
No, he was merely hungry........  |
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