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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Spanish researchers have detected sars-cov-2 (the virus causing covid19) in sewage samples from March last year.
You can google for the link, I'm not posting it since I don't want banned again but this is real science from respected researchers which has been submitted for peer review.
Yes, March 2019.
So, all through the holiday season, all through autum & into winter Covid-19 was with us and nobody, not one single doctor worldwide noticed it.
It remains to be seen if the virus mutated to become more leathal but there's little to suggest it did - it appears to be a pretty stable virus and not prone to rapid or significant mutation.
All of that begs the question - why the sudden hysteria now? Why the lockdowns? Why the destruction of so many livelihoods? Why the panic?
If we lived with this disease without even noticing it for at least 7 months and nothing about the disease changed significantly, why did things change so abruptly?
There are some serious questions raised by this research and they need real answers. It's time we asked what is really going on? |
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Whatever the outcome of the various inquiries may be in the future as to the how, what, when etc it's nigh on half a million deaths globally attributed to it..
Op are you suggesting that we should have done nothing? |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Whatever the outcome of the various inquiries may be in the future as to the how, what, when etc it's nigh on half a million deaths globally attributed to it..
Op are you suggesting that we should have done nothing? "
I'm suggesting that if there was no change in the virus (and that is still an open question) we may quite possibly have overreacted, yes.
Given it took less than a month from the first recorded case here to all out panic how could this disease have gone unnoticed for almost a year if it was so leathal?
It doesn't make sense. |
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"Whatever the outcome of the various inquiries may be in the future as to the how, what, when etc it's nigh on half a million deaths globally attributed to it..
Op are you suggesting that we should have done nothing?
I'm suggesting that if there was no change in the virus (and that is still an open question) we may quite possibly have overreacted, yes.
Given it took less than a month from the first recorded case here to all out panic how could this disease have gone unnoticed for almost a year if it was so leathal?
It doesn't make sense."
Whenever it surfaced and many believe they may have had something similar to when it became more obvious in its seriousness and threat to life it required action and yes there will be a debate etc..
It's possible it's mutated more than once and could be doing so again now as some scientists are thinking that..
If its been around for that long it has to have mutated to cause the level of deaths attributed to it, it could do so again..
Its still killing people now..
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"Spanish researchers have detected sars-cov-2 (the virus causing covid19) in sewage samples from March last year.
You can google for the link, I'm not posting it since I don't want banned again but this is real science from respected researchers which has been submitted for peer review.
Yes, March 2019.
So, all through the holiday season, all through autum & into winter Covid-19 was with us and nobody, not one single doctor worldwide noticed it.
It remains to be seen if the virus mutated to become more leathal but there's little to suggest it did - it appears to be a pretty stable virus and not prone to rapid or significant mutation.
All of that begs the question - why the sudden hysteria now? Why the lockdowns? Why the destruction of so many livelihoods? Why the panic?
If we lived with this disease without even noticing it for at least 7 months and nothing about the disease changed significantly, why did things change so abruptly?
There are some serious questions raised by this research and they need real answers. It's time we asked what is really going on?"
Trouble is Google is a filter upon the Content we see and somehow it has become the de facto standard for truth. We need to be mindful that we see what the munchkins want us to see... That aside I do tend to agree there is certainly potential for all sorts of conspiracies. And I'm personally distrustful of big pharma, where suddenly so called scientists have somehow become the new truth tellers. "led by the science" a phrase oft trotted out. And in the same breath we are told, "its a brand new virus and we have not yet any understanding of it"...
For me I look to the countries who have dealt with it so far, with apparently the most success... Germany, Spain, South Korea, nz to name a few... And they dealt with it by extreme lock down and a populous which did not on the face of it, look at ways to break the rules at every opportunity.
There has to be some merit in the way they went about eradicating the virus from their communities. |
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I'll wait for the peer review, they need to do a lot more sample testing and comparisons, it has the potential of being around for a long time but lots and lots of research is needed first and that will take a while |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Without peer review it can easily end up being a methodology error.
The press love to jump on stuff that's unverified unfortunately.
Also the articles don't explain the significance. Given there was no outbreak, even if it did exist as far back as then, it doesn't mean anything beyond just tracking it back how it spread originally. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There was the potential for a false positive due to the virus' similarities with other respiratory infections."
That is from the Reuters report.
I recall when labs were devising tests for cv19, there were queries whether the tests were actually positive for other corona viruses. |
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I don't think the research evidence has been peer reviewed yet, which will help to determine how reliable the results are. Following that, then we can better understand the position.
As for ops questioning of the measures taken - we can certainly already see the differences between approaches taken by various countries. Doing nothing would have been equivalent to genocide, whilst overwhelming services unable to cope. It's akin to denying the benefits that we've had here in the UK from the peaks in March/April, through lockdown restrictions to the safer point that we currently have. |
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"Spanish researchers have detected sars-cov-2 (the virus causing covid19) in sewage samples from March last year.
You can google for the link, I'm not posting it since I don't want banned again but this is real science from respected researchers which has been submitted for peer review.
Yes, March 2019.
So, all through the holiday season, all through autum & into winter Covid-19 was with us and nobody, not one single doctor worldwide noticed it.
It remains to be seen if the virus mutated to become more leathal but there's little to suggest it did - it appears to be a pretty stable virus and not prone to rapid or significant mutation.
All of that begs the question - why the sudden hysteria now? Why the lockdowns? Why the destruction of so many livelihoods? Why the panic?
If we lived with this disease without even noticing it for at least 7 months and nothing about the disease changed significantly, why did things change so abruptly?
There are some serious questions raised by this research and they need real answers. It's time we asked what is really going on?"
So it's another Spanish flu then ..
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"Spanish researchers have detected sars-cov-2 (the virus causing covid19) in sewage samples from March last year.
You can google for the link, I'm not posting it since I don't want banned again but this is real science from respected researchers which has been submitted for peer review.
Yes, March 2019.
So, all through the holiday season, all through autum & into winter Covid-19 was with us and nobody, not one single doctor worldwide noticed it.
It remains to be seen if the virus mutated to become more leathal but there's little to suggest it did - it appears to be a pretty stable virus and not prone to rapid or significant mutation.
All of that begs the question - why the sudden hysteria now? Why the lockdowns? Why the destruction of so many livelihoods? Why the panic?
If we lived with this disease without even noticing it for at least 7 months and nothing about the disease changed significantly, why did things change so abruptly?
There are some serious questions raised by this research and they need real answers. It's time we asked what is really going on?"
The report also says it's likely a sample mix up or contamination issue as no positives were detected in samples before or after that one.
More sensationalism ...
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"Spanish researchers have detected sars-cov-2 (the virus causing covid19) in sewage samples from March last year.
You can google for the link, I'm not posting it since I don't want banned again but this is real science from respected researchers which has been submitted for peer review.
Yes, March 2019.
So, all through the holiday season, all through autum & into winter Covid-19 was with us and nobody, not one single doctor worldwide noticed it.
It remains to be seen if the virus mutated to become more leathal but there's little to suggest it did - it appears to be a pretty stable virus and not prone to rapid or significant mutation.
All of that begs the question - why the sudden hysteria now? Why the lockdowns? Why the destruction of so many livelihoods? Why the panic?
If we lived with this disease without even noticing it for at least 7 months and nothing about the disease changed significantly, why did things change so abruptly?
There are some serious questions raised by this research and they need real answers. It's time we asked what is really going on?"
Probably because at that time it had not made the jump to humans in a form that was fatal to a proportion of the population perhaps?
Normal Travel Advice for the risk of catching Ebola for example while travelling to African States says 'very low chance'. But once the caught ifection of masses of people becomes 'very very high'.
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I find it difficult to believe even at peak we would have detectable levels of CV19 virus in sewage water.  Human waste diluted with water from sinks, showers, dishwashers, washing machines, industrial waste waters and rain water. The level of sensitivity required to detect a particle at that level of sensitivity is almost certainly going to give some false positives. |
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"It's my understanding that both Spain and Italy had positive confirmed cases on 31st Jan 
Yes, perhaps, but 2020 not 2019  "
Giggles, I seem to have only posted half the response.
Alderhey hospital were treating coronavirus cases Xmas 2019.
Isn't is called sarscovid 19 because it was first diagnosed in 2019 but at that time no one could or wanted to predict it would be a world wide pause button.
Numerous viruses and flu strains actually happen all the time but they don't have global recognition. |
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"It's my understanding that both Spain and Italy had positive confirmed cases on 31st Jan
Yes, perhaps, but 2020 not 2019
Giggles, I seem to have only posted half the response.
Alderhey hospital were treating coronavirus cases Xmas 2019.
Isn't is called sarscovid 19 because it was first diagnosed in 2019 but at that time no one could or wanted to predict it would be a world wide pause button.
Numerous viruses and flu strains actually happen all the time but they don't have global recognition."
I knew of a Paris patient tested from December 2019 but not of UK patients. It was certainly in China last year, hence the naming including the 19 for that year. |
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"I find it difficult to believe even at peak we would have detectable levels of CV19 virus in sewage water. Human waste diluted with water from sinks, showers, dishwashers, washing machines, industrial waste waters and rain water. The level of sensitivity required to detect a particle at that level of sensitivity is almost certainly going to give some false positives. "
There are tests that have been done around the world which detect fragments of the RNA from the virus, including ability to measure the levels of infection in populations. You'll have to dig through some of the research to evaluate their abilities to do this. Some years ago waste was used also to detect SARSCOV2. The UK has plans to monitor waste for potential measurement to check for local outbreaks, as it's fairly quick and results could show it before people have symptoms. It also reveals the levels of the problem with asymptomatic disease or those with minimal symptoms, where people may not get tested. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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I completely agree that until reviewed & confirmed this must be treated with caution, however I'd hope that the scientists involved would have double checked their work and repeated the test before making an announcement.
Taken together with other emerging research which suggests an issue within china during last summer (which in the interest of being fair I admit is contested) it's becoming more and more credible that Covid's been circulating far longer than was thought.
It will be interesting to see if the genetic sequence can be isolated from those spanish samples and compared to the current strain.
I personally do believe Covid has been around much longer than thought - whether that will ever be confirmed is a different question. |
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"Standby for incoming mate "
I had it in first week Jan, my wife caught it in first week March. Both of us have tested positive for antibodies and neither of us have been ill since. Both of us were ill separately.
Asymptomatic? I seriously doubt it considering the 8 week chest infection I had following... dah-da-dah...a fever, fatigue and a new continuous cough.
I’ve got no doubt this virus was knocking around the UK in late 2019.
More to it than we know - or will ever know imo |
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"Standby for incoming mate
I had it in first week Jan, my wife caught it in first week March. Both of us have tested positive for antibodies and neither of us have been ill since. Both of us were ill separately.
Asymptomatic? I seriously doubt it considering the 8 week chest infection I had following... dah-da-dah...a fever, fatigue and a new continuous cough.
I’ve got no doubt this virus was knocking around the UK in late 2019.
More to it than we know - or will ever know imo"
Not sure you can seriously doubt it...It's perfectly plausible you had something else in January and then where asymptomatic perhaps when your wife caught it.
I am not doubting you may have had it but not sure you can write off being asymptomatic so easily. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Standby for incoming mate
I had it in first week Jan, my wife caught it in first week March. Both of us have tested positive for antibodies and neither of us have been ill since. Both of us were ill separately.
Asymptomatic? I seriously doubt it considering the 8 week chest infection I had following... dah-da-dah...a fever, fatigue and a new continuous cough.
I’ve got no doubt this virus was knocking around the UK in late 2019.
More to it than we know - or will ever know imo"
Antibiotics prescribed? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I find it difficult to believe even at peak we would have detectable levels of CV19 virus in sewage water. Human waste diluted with water from sinks, showers, dishwashers, washing machines, industrial waste waters and rain water. The level of sensitivity required to detect a particle at that level of sensitivity is almost certainly going to give some false positives.
There are tests that have been done around the world which detect fragments of the RNA from the virus, including ability to measure the levels of infection in populations. You'll have to dig through some of the research to evaluate their abilities to do this. Some years ago waste was used also to detect SARSCOV2. The UK has plans to monitor waste for potential measurement to check for local outbreaks, as it's fairly quick and results could show it before people have symptoms. It also reveals the levels of the problem with asymptomatic disease or those with minimal symptoms, where people may not get tested. "
Do you mean the first SARS? Otherwise you're giving credence to the OP's original message. |
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I read the various online "news" articles about this and they originate from global times i think it is and with some not too dificult further googling you soon find out they are a Chinese propoganda outlet. You have been sucked in op and i imagine you have shared this on social media which i suspect was exactly the original plan for the information. It's a shame you are unable to share the links, because this thread would quickly loose momentum when people see the garbage websites they point to. |
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I think what the op is getting at, is a lot of people seem to believe the virus has been around a lot longer than is being stated, new evidence is appearing all the time. The amount of people believing they had it late last year or early this year is high, with that did a lot of people die from it and it wasn't registered, put down as pneumonia or something, or was it not as bad as stated.
Personally is just don't think it was a wide spread early in as it was this year. Hence more deaths |
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"I think what the op is getting at, is a lot of people seem to believe the virus has been around a lot longer than is being stated, new evidence is appearing all the time. The amount of people believing they had it late last year or early this year is high, with that did a lot of people die from it and it wasn't registered, put down as pneumonia or something, or was it not as bad as stated.
Personally is just don't think it was a wide spread early in as it was this year. Hence more deaths "
The death rate around that time was as expected. Flu kicked off earlier than usual but samples would have been taken for that. Of course, if covid was around, perhaps it just didn't hit the vulnerable or the vulnerable were hit with the early flu season.
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