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"Even if there is sporadic up ticks in cases across the country, maybe due to more testing,protests, football celebrations, July 4th etc, There is now quite clear evidence, from the daily charts that the virus is mutating and becoming less potent,I would not expect any major up tick in deaths or ICUs from now on. The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed." Great news, probably false news, but great news | |||
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"Even if there is sporadic up ticks in cases across the country, maybe due to more testing,protests, football celebrations, July 4th etc, There is now quite clear evidence, from the daily charts that the virus is mutating and becoming less potent,I would not expect any major up tick in deaths or ICUs from now on. The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed." I'd like to add that people who are left-handed will also be immune to coronavirus from August onwards. More good news. Let's spread more wishful thinking. How is your job application to SAGE going? | |||
"Even if there is sporadic up ticks in cases across the country, maybe due to more testing,protests, football celebrations, July 4th etc, There is now quite clear evidence, from the daily charts that the virus is mutating and becoming less potent,I would not expect any major up tick in deaths or ICUs from now on. The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed." There is no "clear evidence" of anything of the sort. Feel free to indicate where you got this from. | |||
"Coronavirus death rate in hospitals is dropping sharply https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53192532 Which probably suggests that the majority of those still dying will be in the care homes." As long as we don't see the same outcome as the USA as it left lock down too early. We, sadly, do not have an adequate test, track and trace system in place to date and have seen the "common sense" displayed over distancing led by a demonstration from Dominic Cummings. We do have better methods of treatment in place now. We do have more PPE available to medical and care staff. There are more people working from home and taking care when out. The virus is no less dangerous and it will still transmit exponentially. | |||
"Coronavirus death rate in hospitals is dropping sharply https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53192532 Which probably suggests that the majority of those still dying will be in the care homes. As long as we don't see the same outcome as the USA as it left lock down too early. We, sadly, do not have an adequate test, track and trace system in place to date and have seen the "common sense" displayed over distancing led by a demonstration from Dominic Cummings. We do have better methods of treatment in place now. We do have more PPE available to medical and care staff. There are more people working from home and taking care when out. The virus is no less dangerous and it will still transmit exponentially." Apparently the WHO approves of the way the U.K. is lifting restrictions. Dr Mike Ryan, the head of emergencies at the World Health Organization (WHO), has praised the UK for the way it is easing restrictions. He said there had been a "steady, slow and step-wise exit from lockdown conditions" in the country. Dr Ryan said the government had communicated the changes to the population at large and to the WHO – with a consistent dialogue between the four nations of the UK over regional differences. He said testing in the UK had now increased and the "surveillance system is capable of understand where the disease is". His comments came after UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced the next level of lockdown easing would take place on 4 July, when businesses such as pubs and restaurants can reopen under government guidelines. | |||
"Coronavirus death rate in hospitals is dropping sharply https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53192532 Which probably suggests that the majority of those still dying will be in the care homes. As long as we don't see the same outcome as the USA as it left lock down too early. We, sadly, do not have an adequate test, track and trace system in place to date and have seen the "common sense" displayed over distancing led by a demonstration from Dominic Cummings. We do have better methods of treatment in place now. We do have more PPE available to medical and care staff. There are more people working from home and taking care when out. The virus is no less dangerous and it will still transmit exponentially. Apparently the WHO approves of the way the U.K. is lifting restrictions. Dr Mike Ryan, the head of emergencies at the World Health Organization (WHO), has praised the UK for the way it is easing restrictions. He said there had been a "steady, slow and step-wise exit from lockdown conditions" in the country. Dr Ryan said the government had communicated the changes to the population at large and to the WHO – with a consistent dialogue between the four nations of the UK over regional differences. He said testing in the UK had now increased and the "surveillance system is capable of understand where the disease is". His comments came after UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced the next level of lockdown easing would take place on 4 July, when businesses such as pubs and restaurants can reopen under government guidelines. " Well, that does seem to be a very recent assessment so will take it as true. It does indicate that we can identify new outbreaks, but not that we can trace and contain them effectively without a local lockdown which is what we should be aiming for. Of course lots of people have said that the WHO is incompetent, so not sure where that leaves them  | |||
"Coronavirus death rate in hospitals is dropping sharply https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53192532 Which probably suggests that the majority of those still dying will be in the care homes. As long as we don't see the same outcome as the USA as it left lock down too early. We, sadly, do not have an adequate test, track and trace system in place to date and have seen the "common sense" displayed over distancing led by a demonstration from Dominic Cummings. We do have better methods of treatment in place now. We do have more PPE available to medical and care staff. There are more people working from home and taking care when out. The virus is no less dangerous and it will still transmit exponentially. Apparently the WHO approves of the way the U.K. is lifting restrictions. Dr Mike Ryan, the head of emergencies at the World Health Organization (WHO), has praised the UK for the way it is easing restrictions. He said there had been a "steady, slow and step-wise exit from lockdown conditions" in the country. Dr Ryan said the government had communicated the changes to the population at large and to the WHO – with a consistent dialogue between the four nations of the UK over regional differences. He said testing in the UK had now increased and the "surveillance system is capable of understand where the disease is". His comments came after UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced the next level of lockdown easing would take place on 4 July, when businesses such as pubs and restaurants can reopen under government guidelines. " **"....the WHO approves of the way the U.K. is lifting restrictions"** However, the WHO cannot predict how the citizens of any country will respond to the lifting of restrictions within that country. In places where people continue to follow the guidelines when restrictions are lifted; the virus can be controlled that way. In cases where people are complacent and act like the virus does't exist anymore; things can easily get worse than better. The latter explains why restrictions have been reimposed in parts of Portugal, China, Germany and some southern states within the US. | |||
"Even if there is sporadic up ticks in cases across the country, maybe due to more testing,protests, football celebrations, July 4th etc, There is now quite clear evidence, from the daily charts that the virus is mutating and becoming less potent,I would not expect any major up tick in deaths or ICUs from now on. The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and Great news, probably false news, but great news " No evidence whatsoever that this virus is going anywhere! There is the possibility of some seasonal weakening but it's fully expected to pep up for the autumn . If you think this is close to being over after 3/4 months, you are in for a nasty shock! | |||
"Even if there is sporadic up ticks in cases across the country, maybe due to more testing,protests, football celebrations, July 4th etc, There is now quite clear evidence, from the daily charts that the virus is mutating and becoming less potent,I would not expect any major up tick in deaths or ICUs from now on. The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed. There is no "clear evidence" of anything of the sort. Feel free to indicate where you got this from." Possibly someone said, it may have been in news, it may be a learned friend on face page.... seriously what does it matter ..... are you believing the ‘experts’.... because while I’m not going to cite a text they are all contradicting each other and have throughout. If you could enlighten me as to THE source that we should trust let me know xx | |||
"Even if there is sporadic up ticks in cases across the country, maybe due to more testing,protests, football celebrations, July 4th etc, There is now quite clear evidence, from the daily charts that the virus is mutating and becoming less potent,I would not expect any major up tick in deaths or ICUs from now on. The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed. There is no "clear evidence" of anything of the sort. Feel free to indicate where you got this from. Possibly someone said, it may have been in news, it may be a learned friend on face page.... seriously what does it matter ..... are you believing the ‘experts’.... because while I’m not going to cite a text they are all contradicting each other and have throughout. If you could enlighten me as to THE source that we should trust let me know xx" Because it may well be made up. Untrue. A lie. I have heard no indication of this anywhere. You may not be concerned about the source of information during a pandemic. I am. A peer reviewed scientific paper, a WHO report, even a Government announcement. If not, then it's gossip. This is a bit too serious a matter to trust gossip, wouldn't you say? | |||
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"Even if there is sporadic up ticks in cases across the country, maybe due to more testing,protests, football celebrations, July 4th etc, There is now quite clear evidence, from the daily charts that the virus is mutating and becoming less potent,I would not expect any major up tick in deaths or ICUs from now on. The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed." Hate to burst your bubble but the genetics says this virus has a low mutation rate - it does not undergo the same levels of incell recombination as seen for example in flu. | |||
"Even if there is sporadic up ticks in cases across the country, maybe due to more testing,protests, football celebrations, July 4th etc, There is now quite clear evidence, from the daily charts that the virus is mutating and becoming less potent,I would not expect any major up tick in deaths or ICUs from now on. The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed." Thats what happened to SARS and MERS. Both previous coronaviruses. Technically both still out there as no vaccine but mutated to something fairly harmless. | |||
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"Even if there is sporadic up ticks in cases across the country, maybe due to more testing,protests, football celebrations, July 4th etc, There is now quite clear evidence, from the daily charts that the virus is mutating and becoming less potent,I would not expect any major up tick in deaths or ICUs from now on. The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed. Thats what happened to SARS and MERS. Both previous coronaviruses. Technically both still out there as no vaccine but mutated to something fairly harmless." Really, I hope you don't catch one ... | |||
"Even if there is sporadic up ticks in cases across the country, maybe due to more testing,protests, football celebrations, July 4th etc, There is now quite clear evidence, from the daily charts that the virus is mutating and becoming less potent,I would not expect any major up tick in deaths or ICUs from now on. The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed. Thats what happened to SARS and MERS. Both previous coronaviruses. Technically both still out there as no vaccine but mutated to something fairly harmless." It is possible - but based on random mutations occuring which result in lower lethality - the theory is that this allows the less pathogenic strain to outcompete the more pathogenic strain because it remains in circulation for longer - however there are a lot of ifs and buts and it is not guarenteed that a weakening mutation will occur, nor that it will necessarily outcompete the more pathogenic strain. Sequencing to date has so far only shown a relatively low rate of mutations in Covid. | |||
"Even if there is sporadic up ticks in cases across the country, maybe due to more testing,protests, football celebrations, July 4th etc, There is now quite clear evidence, from the daily charts that the virus is mutating and becoming less potent,I would not expect any major up tick in deaths or ICUs from now on. The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed. Thats what happened to SARS and MERS. Both previous coronaviruses. Technically both still out there as no vaccine but mutated to something fairly harmless. Really, I hope you don't catch one ..." Had "double pneumonia" diagnosis in February....my GP reckons 90% chance was covid. Not confirmed by test as I refused her offer to blue light me to hospital. Felt like death warmed up for a few weeks...but fine now thankfully. | |||
"Even if there is sporadic up ticks in cases across the country, maybe due to more testing,protests, football celebrations, July 4th etc, There is now quite clear evidence, from the daily charts that the virus is mutating and becoming less potent,I would not expect any major up tick in deaths or ICUs from now on. The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed. Thats what happened to SARS and MERS. Both previous coronaviruses. Technically both still out there as no vaccine but mutated to something fairly harmless." MERS and SARS were both more deadly. There were not asymptomatic patients. That is correct right? | |||
"Even if there is sporadic up ticks in cases across the country, maybe due to more testing,protests, football celebrations, July 4th etc, There is now quite clear evidence, from the daily charts that the virus is mutating and becoming less potent,I would not expect any major up tick in deaths or ICUs from now on. The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed. There is no "clear evidence" of anything of the sort. Feel free to indicate where you got this from. Possibly someone said, it may have been in news, it may be a learned friend on face page.... seriously what does it matter ..... are you believing the ‘experts’.... because while I’m not going to cite a text they are all contradicting each other and have throughout. If you could enlighten me as to THE source that we should trust let me know xx Because it may well be made up. Untrue. A lie. I have heard no indication of this anywhere. You may not be concerned about the source of information during a pandemic. I am. A peer reviewed scientific paper, a WHO report, even a Government announcement. If not, then it's gossip. This is a bit too serious a matter to trust gossip, wouldn't you say?" I wouldn’t trust the gossip implicitly nor would I trust the sources you mention. There has been mention, if I remember rightly by the Italian chief medical officer supporting (maybe even proposing) the idea of a weakened virus... that’s maybe where it came from .... if something happens today it’s unlikely to yield a peer reviewed paper tomorrow ... so that’s out ... the WHO and U.K. government? | |||
"Even if there is sporadic up ticks in cases across the country, maybe due to more testing,protests, football celebrations, July 4th etc, There is now quite clear evidence, from the daily charts that the virus is mutating and becoming less potent,I would not expect any major up tick in deaths or ICUs from now on. The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed. Thats what happened to SARS and MERS. Both previous coronaviruses. Technically both still out there as no vaccine but mutated to something fairly harmless. It is possible - but based on random mutations occuring which result in lower lethality - the theory is that this allows the less pathogenic strain to outcompete the more pathogenic strain because it remains in circulation for longer - however there are a lot of ifs and buts and it is not guarenteed that a weakening mutation will occur, nor that it will necessarily outcompete the more pathogenic strain. Sequencing to date has so far only shown a relatively low rate of mutations in Covid." A comparison of SARS with Covid here... https://theconversation.com/the-mysterious-disappearance-of-the-first-sars-virus-and-why-we-need-a-vaccine-for-the-current-one-but-didnt-for-the-other-137583 | |||
"Even if there is sporadic up ticks in cases across the country, maybe due to more testing,protests, football celebrations, July 4th etc, There is now quite clear evidence, from the daily charts that the virus is mutating and becoming less potent,I would not expect any major up tick in deaths or ICUs from now on. The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed. There is no "clear evidence" of anything of the sort. Feel free to indicate where you got this from. Possibly someone said, it may have been in news, it may be a learned friend on face page.... seriously what does it matter ..... are you believing the ‘experts’.... because while I’m not going to cite a text they are all contradicting each other and have throughout. If you could enlighten me as to THE source that we should trust let me know xx Because it may well be made up. Untrue. A lie. I have heard no indication of this anywhere. You may not be concerned about the source of information during a pandemic. I am. A peer reviewed scientific paper, a WHO report, even a Government announcement. If not, then it's gossip. This is a bit too serious a matter to trust gossip, wouldn't you say? I wouldn’t trust the gossip implicitly nor would I trust the sources you mention. There has been mention, if I remember rightly by the Italian chief medical officer supporting (maybe even proposing) the idea of a weakened virus... that’s maybe where it came from .... if something happens today it’s unlikely to yield a peer reviewed paper tomorrow ... so that’s out ... the WHO and U.K. government? " Alberto Zangrillo, who heads Milan's San Raffaele Hospital, told Italian TV on Sunday that "in reality, the virus clinically no longer exists in Italy," "Pending scientific evidence to support the thesis that the virus has disappeared ... I would invite those who say they are sure of it not to confuse Italians," Sandra Zampa, Italy's undersecretary of the health ministry, said in a statement, according to Reuters. "We should instead invite Italians to maintain the maximum caution, maintain physical distancing, avoid large groups, to frequently wash their hands and to wear masks." Again, I'm not going to pick and choose the small pieces of information that confirm what I want to believe. What I want to believe is that everything is fine and we can go back life as before. There's Avant evidence to suggest that. You are telling me what exactly? That all information is equal and I should choose to believe whatever I wish to? | |||
"Even if there is sporadic up ticks in cases across the country, maybe due to more testing,protests, football celebrations, July 4th etc, There is now quite clear evidence, from the daily charts that the virus is mutating and becoming less potent,I would not expect any major up tick in deaths or ICUs from now on. The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed. There is no "clear evidence" of anything of the sort. Feel free to indicate where you got this from. Possibly someone said, it may have been in news, it may be a learned friend on face page.... seriously what does it matter ..... are you believing the ‘experts’.... because while I’m not going to cite a text they are all contradicting each other and have throughout. If you could enlighten me as to THE source that we should trust let me know xx Because it may well be made up. Untrue. A lie. I have heard no indication of this anywhere. You may not be concerned about the source of information during a pandemic. I am. A peer reviewed scientific paper, a WHO report, even a Government announcement. If not, then it's gossip. This is a bit too serious a matter to trust gossip, wouldn't you say?" For a start Professor Matteo Bassetti said it and also Fernando Simón said it on Spanish news | |||
"Even if there is sporadic up ticks in cases across the country, maybe due to more testing,protests, football celebrations, July 4th etc, There is now quite clear evidence, from the daily charts that the virus is mutating and becoming less potent,I would not expect any major up tick in deaths or ICUs from now on. The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed. There is no "clear evidence" of anything of the sort. Feel free to indicate where you got this from. Possibly someone said, it may have been in news, it may be a learned friend on face page.... seriously what does it matter ..... are you believing the ‘experts’.... because while I’m not going to cite a text they are all contradicting each other and have throughout. If you could enlighten me as to THE source that we should trust let me know xx Because it may well be made up. Untrue. A lie. I have heard no indication of this anywhere. You may not be concerned about the source of information during a pandemic. I am. A peer reviewed scientific paper, a WHO report, even a Government announcement. If not, then it's gossip. This is a bit too serious a matter to trust gossip, wouldn't you say? I wouldn’t trust the gossip implicitly nor would I trust the sources you mention. There has been mention, if I remember rightly by the Italian chief medical officer supporting (maybe even proposing) the idea of a weakened virus... that’s maybe where it came from .... if something happens today it’s unlikely to yield a peer reviewed paper tomorrow ... so that’s out ... the WHO and U.K. government? Alberto Zangrillo, who heads Milan's San Raffaele Hospital, told Italian TV on Sunday that "in reality, the virus clinically no longer exists in Italy," "Pending scientific evidence to support the thesis that the virus has disappeared ... I would invite those who say they are sure of it not to confuse Italians," Sandra Zampa, Italy's undersecretary of the health ministry, said in a statement, according to Reuters. "We should instead invite Italians to maintain the maximum caution, maintain physical distancing, avoid large groups, to frequently wash their hands and to wear masks." Again, I'm not going to pick and choose the small pieces of information that confirm what I want to believe. What I want to believe is that everything is fine and we can go back life as before. There's Avant evidence to suggest that. You are telling me what exactly? That all information is equal and I should choose to believe whatever I wish to?" You can choose to believe whatever you want but it doesn't alter the fact that dispite continued social distancing and a report from an Italian doctor there are still hundreds of positive tests a day in Italy and unfortunately people are still dying daily. | |||
"Even if there is sporadic up ticks in cases across the country, maybe due to more testing,protests, football celebrations, July 4th etc, There is now quite clear evidence, from the daily charts that the virus is mutating and becoming less potent,I would not expect any major up tick in deaths or ICUs from now on. The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed. There is no "clear evidence" of anything of the sort. Feel free to indicate where you got this from. Possibly someone said, it may have been in news, it may be a learned friend on face page.... seriously what does it matter ..... are you believing the ‘experts’.... because while I’m not going to cite a text they are all contradicting each other and have throughout. If you could enlighten me as to THE source that we should trust let me know xx Because it may well be made up. Untrue. A lie. I have heard no indication of this anywhere. You may not be concerned about the source of information during a pandemic. I am. A peer reviewed scientific paper, a WHO report, even a Government announcement. If not, then it's gossip. This is a bit too serious a matter to trust gossip, wouldn't you say? For a start Professor Matteo Bassetti said it and also Fernando Simón said it on Spanish news " "Prof Bassetti added there could be several explanations for this, including lockdowns causing people to be exposed to smaller doses of Covid-19." Sounds like a sensatioalised, selective quote. Nothing said by Fernando Simón on this topic as far as I can see. Have you a quote? | |||
"Even if there is sporadic up ticks in cases across the country, maybe due to more testing,protests, football celebrations, July 4th etc, There is now quite clear evidence, from the daily charts that the virus is mutating and becoming less potent,I would not expect any major up tick in deaths or ICUs from now on. The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed. There is no "clear evidence" of anything of the sort. Feel free to indicate where you got this from. Possibly someone said, it may have been in news, it may be a learned friend on face page.... seriously what does it matter ..... are you believing the ‘experts’.... because while I’m not going to cite a text they are all contradicting each other and have throughout. If you could enlighten me as to THE source that we should trust let me know xx Because it may well be made up. Untrue. A lie. I have heard no indication of this anywhere. You may not be concerned about the source of information during a pandemic. I am. A peer reviewed scientific paper, a WHO report, even a Government announcement. If not, then it's gossip. This is a bit too serious a matter to trust gossip, wouldn't you say? I wouldn’t trust the gossip implicitly nor would I trust the sources you mention. There has been mention, if I remember rightly by the Italian chief medical officer supporting (maybe even proposing) the idea of a weakened virus... that’s maybe where it came from .... if something happens today it’s unlikely to yield a peer reviewed paper tomorrow ... so that’s out ... the WHO and U.K. government? Alberto Zangrillo, who heads Milan's San Raffaele Hospital, told Italian TV on Sunday that "in reality, the virus clinically no longer exists in Italy," "Pending scientific evidence to support the thesis that the virus has disappeared ... I would invite those who say they are sure of it not to confuse Italians," Sandra Zampa, Italy's undersecretary of the health ministry, said in a statement, according to Reuters. "We should instead invite Italians to maintain the maximum caution, maintain physical distancing, avoid large groups, to frequently wash their hands and to wear masks." Again, I'm not going to pick and choose the small pieces of information that confirm what I want to believe. What I want to believe is that everything is fine and we can go back life as before. There's Avant evidence to suggest that. You are telling me what exactly? That all information is equal and I should choose to believe whatever I wish to?" I’m suggesting that before asking someone to cite evidence for their post you consider that they’ve heard it and through whatever channel and now don’t really need to provide that evidence. Whatever information cited would lead to people interrogating and dispelling that info..... which could be done for pretty much any statement, publication, etc. Personally I couldn’t give a shit what you choose to believe or not .... | |||
"Even if there is sporadic up ticks in cases across the country, maybe due to more testing,protests, football celebrations, July 4th etc, There is now quite clear evidence, from the daily charts that the virus is mutating and becoming less potent,I would not expect any major up tick in deaths or ICUs from now on. The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed. There is no "clear evidence" of anything of the sort. Feel free to indicate where you got this from. Possibly someone said, it may have been in news, it may be a learned friend on face page.... seriously what does it matter ..... are you believing the ‘experts’.... because while I’m not going to cite a text they are all contradicting each other and have throughout. If you could enlighten me as to THE source that we should trust let me know xx Because it may well be made up. Untrue. A lie. I have heard no indication of this anywhere. You may not be concerned about the source of information during a pandemic. I am. A peer reviewed scientific paper, a WHO report, even a Government announcement. If not, then it's gossip. This is a bit too serious a matter to trust gossip, wouldn't you say? For a start Professor Matteo Bassetti said it and also Fernando Simón said it on Spanish news "Prof Bassetti added there could be several explanations for this, including lockdowns causing people to be exposed to smaller doses of Covid-19." Sounds like a sensatioalised, selective quote. Nothing said by Fernando Simón on this topic as far as I can see. Have you a quote?" Sounds like you‘re an online expert. So I’ll let you have your agenda. Have fun | |||
"Coronavirus death rate in hospitals is dropping sharply https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53192532 Which probably suggests that the majority of those still dying will be in the care homes. As long as we don't see the same outcome as the USA as it left lock down too early. We, sadly, do not have an adequate test, track and trace system in place to date and have seen the "common sense" displayed over distancing led by a demonstration from Dominic Cummings. We do have better methods of treatment in place now. We do have more PPE available to medical and care staff. There are more people working from home and taking care when out. The virus is no less dangerous and it will still transmit exponentially." Are the above titbits fact?, your opinion?, | |||
"Coronavirus death rate in hospitals is dropping sharply https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53192532 Which probably suggests that the majority of those still dying will be in the care homes. As long as we don't see the same outcome as the USA as it left lock down too early. We, sadly, do not have an adequate test, track and trace system in place to date and have seen the "common sense" displayed over distancing led by a demonstration from Dominic Cummings. We do have better methods of treatment in place now. We do have more PPE available to medical and care staff. There are more people working from home and taking care when out. The virus is no less dangerous and it will still transmit exponentially. Are the above titbits fact?, your opinion?, " They are my opinion formed by a range of facts. Which of them are controversial? | |||
"Even if there is sporadic up ticks in cases across the country, maybe due to more testing,protests, football celebrations, July 4th etc, There is now quite clear evidence, from the daily charts that the virus is mutating and becoming less potent,I would not expect any major up tick in deaths or ICUs from now on. The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed. There is no "clear evidence" of anything of the sort. Feel free to indicate where you got this from. Possibly someone said, it may have been in news, it may be a learned friend on face page.... seriously what does it matter ..... are you believing the ‘experts’.... because while I’m not going to cite a text they are all contradicting each other and have throughout. If you could enlighten me as to THE source that we should trust let me know xx Because it may well be made up. Untrue. A lie. I have heard no indication of this anywhere. You may not be concerned about the source of information during a pandemic. I am. A peer reviewed scientific paper, a WHO report, even a Government announcement. If not, then it's gossip. This is a bit too serious a matter to trust gossip, wouldn't you say? For a start Professor Matteo Bassetti said it and also Fernando Simón said it on Spanish news "Prof Bassetti added there could be several explanations for this, including lockdowns causing people to be exposed to smaller doses of Covid-19." Sounds like a sensatioalised, selective quote. Nothing said by Fernando Simón on this topic as far as I can see. Have you a quote? Sounds like you‘re an online expert. So I’ll let you have your agenda. Have fun " Not at all. You've made some assertions. I looked at there veracity. What did Fernando Simón say? Where's the quote? | |||
"Coronavirus death rate in hospitals is dropping sharply https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53192532 Which probably suggests that the majority of those still dying will be in the care homes. As long as we don't see the same outcome as the USA as it left lock down too early. We, sadly, do not have an adequate test, track and trace system in place to date and have seen the "common sense" displayed over distancing led by a demonstration from Dominic Cummings. We do have better methods of treatment in place now. We do have more PPE available to medical and care staff. There are more people working from home and taking care when out. The virus is no less dangerous and it will still transmit exponentially. Are the above titbits fact?, your opinion?, They are my opinion formed by a range of facts. Which of them are controversial?" I see no controversy .... but while you’re on it could you cite the facts you’ve used to form your opinion please ? | |||
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"Even if there is sporadic up ticks in cases across the country, maybe due to more testing,protests, football celebrations, July 4th etc, There is now quite clear evidence, from the daily charts that the virus is mutating and becoming less potent,I would not expect any major up tick in deaths or ICUs from now on. The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed. There is no "clear evidence" of anything of the sort. Feel free to indicate where you got this from. Possibly someone said, it may have been in news, it may be a learned friend on face page.... seriously what does it matter ..... are you believing the ‘experts’.... because while I’m not going to cite a text they are all contradicting each other and have throughout. If you could enlighten me as to THE source that we should trust let me know xx Because it may well be made up. Untrue. A lie. I have heard no indication of this anywhere. You may not be concerned about the source of information during a pandemic. I am. A peer reviewed scientific paper, a WHO report, even a Government announcement. If not, then it's gossip. This is a bit too serious a matter to trust gossip, wouldn't you say? For a start Professor Matteo Bassetti said it and also Fernando Simón said it on Spanish news "Prof Bassetti added there could be several explanations for this, including lockdowns causing people to be exposed to smaller doses of Covid-19." Sounds like a sensatioalised, selective quote. Nothing said by Fernando Simón on this topic as far as I can see. Have you a quote? Sounds like you‘re an online expert. So I’ll let you have your agenda. Have fun Not at all. You've made some assertions. I looked at there veracity. What did Fernando Simón say? Where's the quote?" If you can understand Spanish it’s on YouTube. After all you know everything haha. | |||
"Even if there is sporadic up ticks in cases across the country, maybe due to more testing,protests, football celebrations, July 4th etc, There is now quite clear evidence, from the daily charts that the virus is mutating and becoming less potent,I would not expect any major up tick in deaths or ICUs from now on. The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed. There is no "clear evidence" of anything of the sort. Feel free to indicate where you got this from. Possibly someone said, it may have been in news, it may be a learned friend on face page.... seriously what does it matter ..... are you believing the ‘experts’.... because while I’m not going to cite a text they are all contradicting each other and have throughout. If you could enlighten me as to THE source that we should trust let me know xx Because it may well be made up. Untrue. A lie. I have heard no indication of this anywhere. You may not be concerned about the source of information during a pandemic. I am. A peer reviewed scientific paper, a WHO report, even a Government announcement. If not, then it's gossip. This is a bit too serious a matter to trust gossip, wouldn't you say? I wouldn’t trust the gossip implicitly nor would I trust the sources you mention. There has been mention, if I remember rightly by the Italian chief medical officer supporting (maybe even proposing) the idea of a weakened virus... that’s maybe where it came from .... if something happens today it’s unlikely to yield a peer reviewed paper tomorrow ... so that’s out ... the WHO and U.K. government? Alberto Zangrillo, who heads Milan's San Raffaele Hospital, told Italian TV on Sunday that "in reality, the virus clinically no longer exists in Italy," "Pending scientific evidence to support the thesis that the virus has disappeared ... I would invite those who say they are sure of it not to confuse Italians," Sandra Zampa, Italy's undersecretary of the health ministry, said in a statement, according to Reuters. "We should instead invite Italians to maintain the maximum caution, maintain physical distancing, avoid large groups, to frequently wash their hands and to wear masks." Again, I'm not going to pick and choose the small pieces of information that confirm what I want to believe. What I want to believe is that everything is fine and we can go back life as before. There's Avant evidence to suggest that. You are telling me what exactly? That all information is equal and I should choose to believe whatever I wish to? I’m suggesting that before asking someone to cite evidence for their post you consider that they’ve heard it and through whatever channel and now don’t really need to provide that evidence. Whatever information cited would lead to people interrogating and dispelling that info..... which could be done for pretty much any statement, publication, etc. Personally I couldn’t give a shit what you choose to believe or not ...." When it's a statement that is contrary to the situation as it stands then I will question it particularly in circumstances where others may take them at face value. It's a normal thing to do. If they are unable to indicate any source for it or only a dubious one then I will disregard it. It's quicker and easier to ask than to look for myself right? I've "heard" that you have an STD. Consider that I’ve heard it and through whatever channel and now don’t really need to provide that evidence, apparently  | |||
"Even if there is sporadic up ticks in cases across the country, maybe due to more testing,protests, football celebrations, July 4th etc, There is now quite clear evidence, from the daily charts that the virus is mutating and becoming less potent,I would not expect any major up tick in deaths or ICUs from now on. The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed. There is no "clear evidence" of anything of the sort. Feel free to indicate where you got this from. Possibly someone said, it may have been in news, it may be a learned friend on face page.... seriously what does it matter ..... are you believing the ‘experts’.... because while I’m not going to cite a text they are all contradicting each other and have throughout. If you could enlighten me as to THE source that we should trust let me know xx Because it may well be made up. Untrue. A lie. I have heard no indication of this anywhere. You may not be concerned about the source of information during a pandemic. I am. A peer reviewed scientific paper, a WHO report, even a Government announcement. If not, then it's gossip. This is a bit too serious a matter to trust gossip, wouldn't you say? I wouldn’t trust the gossip implicitly nor would I trust the sources you mention. There has been mention, if I remember rightly by the Italian chief medical officer supporting (maybe even proposing) the idea of a weakened virus... that’s maybe where it came from .... if something happens today it’s unlikely to yield a peer reviewed paper tomorrow ... so that’s out ... the WHO and U.K. government? Alberto Zangrillo, who heads Milan's San Raffaele Hospital, told Italian TV on Sunday that "in reality, the virus clinically no longer exists in Italy," "Pending scientific evidence to support the thesis that the virus has disappeared ... I would invite those who say they are sure of it not to confuse Italians," Sandra Zampa, Italy's undersecretary of the health ministry, said in a statement, according to Reuters. "We should instead invite Italians to maintain the maximum caution, maintain physical distancing, avoid large groups, to frequently wash their hands and to wear masks." Again, I'm not going to pick and choose the small pieces of information that confirm what I want to believe. What I want to believe is that everything is fine and we can go back life as before. There's Avant evidence to suggest that. You are telling me what exactly? That all information is equal and I should choose to believe whatever I wish to? I’m suggesting that before asking someone to cite evidence for their post you consider that they’ve heard it and through whatever channel and now don’t really need to provide that evidence. Whatever information cited would lead to people interrogating and dispelling that info..... which could be done for pretty much any statement, publication, etc. Personally I couldn’t give a shit what you choose to believe or not .... When it's a statement that is contrary to the situation as it stands then I will question it particularly in circumstances where others may take them at face value. It's a normal thing to do. If they are unable to indicate any source for it or only a dubious one then I will disregard it. It's quicker and easier to ask than to look for myself right? I've "heard" that you have an STD. Consider that I’ve heard it and through whatever channel and now don’t really need to provide that evidence, apparently "How you doing with those facts? | |||
"Some doctors say people with COVID-19 don’t seem to be getting as sick, and that people recently tested are showing a lower viral load compared to those who tested positive for COVID-19 a few months ago. In Italy, there’s an ongoing public debate about a possible encouraging shift toward a weaker version of Covid-19. A leading virologist and doctor have endorsed this idea as the number of deaths, cases, severely ill patients and viral load they’ve seen on swabs are declining or holding steady even as the country reopens. The virologist, Arnaldo Caruso, suggested that the virus could vanish even without a vaccine and that distancing and masks may no longer be needed soon. One of the golden rules of virology,” says Mark Cameron, PhD, an associate professor of population and quantitative health sciences at Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine, “is that viruses that circulate in the community do change and mutate.” They do this, he says, to survive. A virus that’s deadly enough to kill all of its hosts will die out as soon as the last infected person dies. A weaker form of the virus -- one that doesn’t make people quite as sick -- can continue to travel from person to person. " '"What we're seeing here in Italy, and also I think in Spain, is that the virus has lost a lot of strength from the point of view of the infections, which are now much more attenuated," Caruso told El Mundo. "There are patients, even elderly ones, who have very light symptoms. "That makes you think that the virus no longer has the same destructive power it had before." Despite this piece of positive news, Caruso remains cautious. "A second wave could happen when the virus is stronger again, when the climate conditions are optimal for its spread again," he said.' He's saying that the infection rate has weakened. Not the virus itself. 'The virologist, Arnaldo Caruso, suggested that the virus could vanish even without a vaccine and that distancing and masks may no longer be needed soon. Caruso did acknowledge the possibility of other explanations and a future resurgence in an interview' So again picking out one part of a discussion. Nobody's disputing what 'Mark Cameron, PhD, an associate professor of population and quantitative health sciences at Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine' said. He's not actuallysaying that this has happened in the case of Covid-19 though is he? Please point me to the search terms appropriate to the YouTube clip for Fernando Simon. Not expecting much considering your reliability to date, bit you could surprise me | |||
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"Some doctors say people with COVID-19 don’t seem to be getting as sick, and that people recently tested are showing a lower viral load compared to those who tested positive for COVID-19 a few months ago. In Italy, there’s an ongoing public debate about a possible encouraging shift toward a weaker version of Covid-19. A leading virologist and doctor have endorsed this idea as the number of deaths, cases, severely ill patients and viral load they’ve seen on swabs are declining or holding steady even as the country reopens. The virologist, Arnaldo Caruso, suggested that the virus could vanish even without a vaccine and that distancing and masks may no longer be needed soon. One of the golden rules of virology,” says Mark Cameron, PhD, an associate professor of population and quantitative health sciences at Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine, “is that viruses that circulate in the community do change and mutate.” They do this, he says, to survive. A virus that’s deadly enough to kill all of its hosts will die out as soon as the last infected person dies. A weaker form of the virus -- one that doesn’t make people quite as sick -- can continue to travel from person to person. '"What we're seeing here in Italy, and also I think in Spain, is that the virus has lost a lot of strength from the point of view of the infections, which are now much more attenuated," Caruso told El Mundo. "There are patients, even elderly ones, who have very light symptoms. "That makes you think that the virus no longer has the same destructive power it had before." Despite this piece of positive news, Caruso remains cautious. "A second wave could happen when the virus is stronger again, when the climate conditions are optimal for its spread again," he said.' He's saying that the infection rate has weakened. Not the virus itself. 'The virologist, Arnaldo Caruso, suggested that the virus could vanish even without a vaccine and that distancing and masks may no longer be needed soon. Caruso did acknowledge the possibility of other explanations and a future resurgence in an interview' So again picking out one part of a discussion. Nobody's disputing what 'Mark Cameron, PhD, an associate professor of population and quantitative health sciences at Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine' said. He's not actuallysaying that this has happened in the case of Covid-19 though is he? Please point me to the search terms appropriate to the YouTube clip for Fernando Simon. Not expecting much considering your reliability to date, bit you could surprise me "Ha-ha you got owned. Pull your pants up and stop crying | |||
"Picking out your bits I see. As for pointing you to anything. I’ll not bother. You can easily find it. But after reading your posts I’ve clearly seen one thing There is an old saying: Don’t argue with fools they only drag you down to their level. Then beat you with experience. " Nice try. Insisting that you have "won" when the actual words say otherwise is quite a stretch. They are there, written down for everyone to read. Too worried to be shown up with the Spanish too | |||
"Some doctors say people with COVID-19 don’t seem to be getting as sick, and that people recently tested are showing a lower viral load compared to those who tested positive for COVID-19 a few months ago. In Italy, there’s an ongoing public debate about a possible encouraging shift toward a weaker version of Covid-19. A leading virologist and doctor have endorsed this idea as the number of deaths, cases, severely ill patients and viral load they’ve seen on swabs are declining or holding steady even as the country reopens. The virologist, Arnaldo Caruso, suggested that the virus could vanish even without a vaccine and that distancing and masks may no longer be needed soon. One of the golden rules of virology,” says Mark Cameron, PhD, an associate professor of population and quantitative health sciences at Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine, “is that viruses that circulate in the community do change and mutate.” They do this, he says, to survive. A virus that’s deadly enough to kill all of its hosts will die out as soon as the last infected person dies. A weaker form of the virus -- one that doesn’t make people quite as sick -- can continue to travel from person to person. '"What we're seeing here in Italy, and also I think in Spain, is that the virus has lost a lot of strength from the point of view of the infections, which are now much more attenuated," Caruso told El Mundo. "There are patients, even elderly ones, who have very light symptoms. "That makes you think that the virus no longer has the same destructive power it had before." Despite this piece of positive news, Caruso remains cautious. "A second wave could happen when the virus is stronger again, when the climate conditions are optimal for its spread again," he said.' He's saying that the infection rate has weakened. Not the virus itself. 'The virologist, Arnaldo Caruso, suggested that the virus could vanish even without a vaccine and that distancing and masks may no longer be needed soon. Caruso did acknowledge the possibility of other explanations and a future resurgence in an interview' So again picking out one part of a discussion. Nobody's disputing what 'Mark Cameron, PhD, an associate professor of population and quantitative health sciences at Case Western Reserve University School of Medicine' said. He's not actuallysaying that this has happened in the case of Covid-19 though is he? Please point me to the search terms appropriate to the YouTube clip for Fernando Simon. Not expecting much considering your reliability to date, bit you could surprise me
Ha-ha you got owned. Pull your pants up and stop crying"Nice one 
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"Picking out your bits I see. As for pointing you to anything. I’ll not bother. You can easily find it. But after reading your posts I’ve clearly seen one thing There is an old saying: Don’t argue with fools they only drag you down to their level. Then beat you with experience. " *******************************   | |||
"Picking out your bits I see. As for pointing you to anything. I’ll not bother. You can easily find it. But after reading your posts I’ve clearly seen one thing There is an old saying: Don’t argue with fools they only drag you down to their level. Then beat you with experience. Nice try. Insisting that you have "won" when the actual words say otherwise is quite a stretch. They are there, written down for everyone to read. Too worried to be shown up with the Spanish too "Hi sorry, how about those facts? | |||
"Even if there is sporadic up ticks in cases across the country, maybe due to more testing,protests, football celebrations, July 4th etc, There is now quite clear evidence, from the daily charts that the virus is mutating and becoming less potent,I would not expect any major up tick in deaths or ICUs from now on. The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed. There is no "clear evidence" of anything of the sort. Feel free to indicate where you got this from. Possibly someone said, it may have been in news, it may be a learned friend on face page.... seriously what does it matter ..... are you believing the ‘experts’.... because while I’m not going to cite a text they are all contradicting each other and have throughout. If you could enlighten me as to THE source that we should trust let me know xx Because it may well be made up. Untrue. A lie. I have heard no indication of this anywhere. You may not be concerned about the source of information during a pandemic. I am. A peer reviewed scientific paper, a WHO report, even a Government announcement. If not, then it's gossip. This is a bit too serious a matter to trust gossip, wouldn't you say? For a start Professor Matteo Bassetti said it and also Fernando Simón said it on Spanish news "Prof Bassetti added there could be several explanations for this, including lockdowns causing people to be exposed to smaller doses of Covid-19." Sounds like a sensatioalised, selective quote. Nothing said by Fernando Simón on this topic as far as I can see. Have you a quote? Sounds like you‘re an online expert. So I’ll let you have your agenda. Have fun Not at all. You've made some assertions. I looked at there veracity. What did Fernando Simón say? Where's the quote? If you can understand Spanish it’s on YouTube. After all you know everything haha. " Still unable to find anything whatsoever from Fernando Simón the Spanish Chief Epidemiologist indicating that "the virus is mutating and becoming less potent". The closest thing that I could find was this from El Pais (translated): 'With the exception of one outbreak in Andalusia, which has been detected in a senior care home, most of the cases do not represent a threat to at-risk communities. “In Aragón, they are young workers who are healthy, no one has needed intensive care,” explained Simón, who added that the average age of coronavirus patients has fallen from 62 to 50 in one month. “This means that we are seeing a much less severe disease,” he said. Although the origin of some coronavirus cases is still unknown, most new infections are connected with the outbreaks. “They are going to be a threat throughout this period, both local and imported [cases],” said Simón. “We have better detection capacity, better knowledge, we understand how the virus behaves,” he explained. “Although there are outbreaks, it is difficult for the speed of transmission to be like it was before. Now we are detecting [cases] more quickly: 24 to 48 hours after symptoms begin; back then it was 10 or 15 days. We are better prepared. I’m not saying that things can’t happen, but it is more difficult for them to.”' This does not meant that the virus has changed or become less deadly. It just means that its spread has been better controlled. Definitely nothing about "The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed" | |||
"Even if there is sporadic up ticks in cases across the country, maybe due to more testing,protests, football celebrations, July 4th etc, There is now quite clear evidence, from the daily charts that the virus is mutating and becoming less potent,I would not expect any major up tick in deaths or ICUs from now on. The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed. There is no "clear evidence" of anything of the sort. Feel free to indicate where you got this from. Possibly someone said, it may have been in news, it may be a learned friend on face page.... seriously what does it matter ..... are you believing the ‘experts’.... because while I’m not going to cite a text they are all contradicting each other and have throughout. If you could enlighten me as to THE source that we should trust let me know xx Because it may well be made up. Untrue. A lie. I have heard no indication of this anywhere. You may not be concerned about the source of information during a pandemic. I am. A peer reviewed scientific paper, a WHO report, even a Government announcement. If not, then it's gossip. This is a bit too serious a matter to trust gossip, wouldn't you say? For a start Professor Matteo Bassetti said it and also Fernando Simón said it on Spanish news "Prof Bassetti added there could be several explanations for this, including lockdowns causing people to be exposed to smaller doses of Covid-19." Sounds like a sensatioalised, selective quote. Nothing said by Fernando Simón on this topic as far as I can see. Have you a quote? Sounds like you‘re an online expert. So I’ll let you have your agenda. Have fun Not at all. You've made some assertions. I looked at there veracity. What did Fernando Simón say? Where's the quote? If you can understand Spanish it’s on YouTube. After all you know everything haha. Still unable to find anything whatsoever from Fernando Simón the Spanish Chief Epidemiologist indicating that "the virus is mutating and becoming less potent". The closest thing that I could find was this from El Pais (translated): 'With the exception of one outbreak in Andalusia, which has been detected in a senior care home, most of the cases do not represent a threat to at-risk communities. “In Aragón, they are young workers who are healthy, no one has needed intensive care,” explained Simón, who added that the average age of coronavirus patients has fallen from 62 to 50 in one month. “This means that we are seeing a much less severe disease,” he said. Although the origin of some coronavirus cases is still unknown, most new infections are connected with the outbreaks. “They are going to be a threat throughout this period, both local and imported [cases],” said Simón. “We have better detection capacity, better knowledge, we understand how the virus behaves,” he explained. “Although there are outbreaks, it is difficult for the speed of transmission to be like it was before. Now we are detecting [cases] more quickly: 24 to 48 hours after symptoms begin; back then it was 10 or 15 days. We are better prepared. I’m not saying that things can’t happen, but it is more difficult for them to.”' This does not meant that the virus has changed or become less deadly. It just means that its spread has been better controlled. Definitely nothing about "The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed"" Facts? | |||
"Even if there is sporadic up ticks in cases across the country, maybe due to more testing,protests, football celebrations, July 4th etc, There is now quite clear evidence, from the daily charts that the virus is mutating and becoming less potent,I would not expect any major up tick in deaths or ICUs from now on. The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed. There is no "clear evidence" of anything of the sort. Feel free to indicate where you got this from. Possibly someone said, it may have been in news, it may be a learned friend on face page.... seriously what does it matter ..... are you believing the ‘experts’.... because while I’m not going to cite a text they are all contradicting each other and have throughout. If you could enlighten me as to THE source that we should trust let me know xx Because it may well be made up. Untrue. A lie. I have heard no indication of this anywhere. You may not be concerned about the source of information during a pandemic. I am. A peer reviewed scientific paper, a WHO report, even a Government announcement. If not, then it's gossip. This is a bit too serious a matter to trust gossip, wouldn't you say? For a start Professor Matteo Bassetti said it and also Fernando Simón said it on Spanish news "Prof Bassetti added there could be several explanations for this, including lockdowns causing people to be exposed to smaller doses of Covid-19." Sounds like a sensatioalised, selective quote. Nothing said by Fernando Simón on this topic as far as I can see. Have you a quote? Sounds like you‘re an online expert. So I’ll let you have your agenda. Have fun Not at all. You've made some assertions. I looked at there veracity. What did Fernando Simón say? Where's the quote? If you can understand Spanish it’s on YouTube. After all you know everything haha. Still unable to find anything whatsoever from Fernando Simón the Spanish Chief Epidemiologist indicating that "the virus is mutating and becoming less potent". The closest thing that I could find was this from El Pais (translated): 'With the exception of one outbreak in Andalusia, which has been detected in a senior care home, most of the cases do not represent a threat to at-risk communities. “In Aragón, they are young workers who are healthy, no one has needed intensive care,” explained Simón, who added that the average age of coronavirus patients has fallen from 62 to 50 in one month. “This means that we are seeing a much less severe disease,” he said. Although the origin of some coronavirus cases is still unknown, most new infections are connected with the outbreaks. “They are going to be a threat throughout this period, both local and imported [cases],” said Simón. “We have better detection capacity, better knowledge, we understand how the virus behaves,” he explained. “Although there are outbreaks, it is difficult for the speed of transmission to be like it was before. Now we are detecting [cases] more quickly: 24 to 48 hours after symptoms begin; back then it was 10 or 15 days. We are better prepared. I’m not saying that things can’t happen, but it is more difficult for them to.”' This does not meant that the virus has changed or become less deadly. It just means that its spread has been better controlled. Definitely nothing about "The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed" Facts? " You "couldn’t give a shit what" I "choose to believe or not ...." Your words, so why so keen to get my attention?
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"Even if there is sporadic up ticks in cases across the country, maybe due to more testing,protests, football celebrations, July 4th etc, There is now quite clear evidence, from the daily charts that the virus is mutating and becoming less potent,I would not expect any major up tick in deaths or ICUs from now on. The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed. There is no "clear evidence" of anything of the sort. Feel free to indicate where you got this from. Possibly someone said, it may have been in news, it may be a learned friend on face page.... seriously what does it matter ..... are you believing the ‘experts’.... because while I’m not going to cite a text they are all contradicting each other and have throughout. If you could enlighten me as to THE source that we should trust let me know xx Because it may well be made up. Untrue. A lie. I have heard no indication of this anywhere. You may not be concerned about the source of information during a pandemic. I am. A peer reviewed scientific paper, a WHO report, even a Government announcement. If not, then it's gossip. This is a bit too serious a matter to trust gossip, wouldn't you say? For a start Professor Matteo Bassetti said it and also Fernando Simón said it on Spanish news "Prof Bassetti added there could be several explanations for this, including lockdowns causing people to be exposed to smaller doses of Covid-19." Sounds like a sensatioalised, selective quote. Nothing said by Fernando Simón on this topic as far as I can see. Have you a quote? Sounds like you‘re an online expert. So I’ll let you have your agenda. Have fun Not at all. You've made some assertions. I looked at there veracity. What did Fernando Simón say? Where's the quote? If you can understand Spanish it’s on YouTube. After all you know everything haha. Still unable to find anything whatsoever from Fernando Simón the Spanish Chief Epidemiologist indicating that "the virus is mutating and becoming less potent". The closest thing that I could find was this from El Pais (translated): 'With the exception of one outbreak in Andalusia, which has been detected in a senior care home, most of the cases do not represent a threat to at-risk communities. “In Aragón, they are young workers who are healthy, no one has needed intensive care,” explained Simón, who added that the average age of coronavirus patients has fallen from 62 to 50 in one month. “This means that we are seeing a much less severe disease,” he said. Although the origin of some coronavirus cases is still unknown, most new infections are connected with the outbreaks. “They are going to be a threat throughout this period, both local and imported [cases],” said Simón. “We have better detection capacity, better knowledge, we understand how the virus behaves,” he explained. “Although there are outbreaks, it is difficult for the speed of transmission to be like it was before. Now we are detecting [cases] more quickly: 24 to 48 hours after symptoms begin; back then it was 10 or 15 days. We are better prepared. I’m not saying that things can’t happen, but it is more difficult for them to.”' This does not meant that the virus has changed or become less deadly. It just means that its spread has been better controlled. Definitely nothing about "The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed" Facts? You "couldn’t give a shit what" I "choose to believe or not ...." Your words, so why so keen to get my attention?
Anything to discuss on-topic or just going to go with a personal vedetta? "Probably just making a point more than anything that opinions and beliefs are possibly quite difficult to qualify with a quote, a peer reviewed paper, a link etc., especially when the ‘facts’ used to form the opinion or belief could, likely, be disputed. As for my STD(‘s) .... did they mention what so I can hopefully source treatment without taking up the NHS time? | |||
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"Even if there is sporadic up ticks in cases across the country, maybe due to more testing,protests, football celebrations, July 4th etc, There is now quite clear evidence, from the daily charts that the virus is mutating and becoming less potent,I would not expect any major up tick in deaths or ICUs from now on. The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed. There is no "clear evidence" of anything of the sort. Feel free to indicate where you got this from. Possibly someone said, it may have been in news, it may be a learned friend on face page.... seriously what does it matter ..... are you believing the ‘experts’.... because while I’m not going to cite a text they are all contradicting each other and have throughout. If you could enlighten me as to THE source that we should trust let me know xx Because it may well be made up. Untrue. A lie. I have heard no indication of this anywhere. You may not be concerned about the source of information during a pandemic. I am. A peer reviewed scientific paper, a WHO report, even a Government announcement. If not, then it's gossip. This is a bit too serious a matter to trust gossip, wouldn't you say? For a start Professor Matteo Bassetti said it and also Fernando Simón said it on Spanish news "Prof Bassetti added there could be several explanations for this, including lockdowns causing people to be exposed to smaller doses of Covid-19." Sounds like a sensatioalised, selective quote. Nothing said by Fernando Simón on this topic as far as I can see. Have you a quote? Sounds like you‘re an online expert. So I’ll let you have your agenda. Have fun Not at all. You've made some assertions. I looked at there veracity. What did Fernando Simón say? Where's the quote? If you can understand Spanish it’s on YouTube. After all you know everything haha. Still unable to find anything whatsoever from Fernando Simón the Spanish Chief Epidemiologist indicating that "the virus is mutating and becoming less potent". The closest thing that I could find was this from El Pais (translated): 'With the exception of one outbreak in Andalusia, which has been detected in a senior care home, most of the cases do not represent a threat to at-risk communities. “In Aragón, they are young workers who are healthy, no one has needed intensive care,” explained Simón, who added that the average age of coronavirus patients has fallen from 62 to 50 in one month. “This means that we are seeing a much less severe disease,” he said. Although the origin of some coronavirus cases is still unknown, most new infections are connected with the outbreaks. “They are going to be a threat throughout this period, both local and imported [cases],” said Simón. “We have better detection capacity, better knowledge, we understand how the virus behaves,” he explained. “Although there are outbreaks, it is difficult for the speed of transmission to be like it was before. Now we are detecting [cases] more quickly: 24 to 48 hours after symptoms begin; back then it was 10 or 15 days. We are better prepared. I’m not saying that things can’t happen, but it is more difficult for them to.”' This does not meant that the virus has changed or become less deadly. It just means that its spread has been better controlled. Definitely nothing about "The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed" Facts? You "couldn’t give a shit what" I "choose to believe or not ...." Your words, so why so keen to get my attention?
Anything to discuss on-topic or just going to go with a personal vedetta?
Probably just making a point more than anything that opinions and beliefs are possibly quite difficult to qualify with a quote, a peer reviewed paper, a link etc., especially when the ‘facts’ used to form the opinion or belief could, likely, be disputed.
As for my STD(‘s) .... did they mention what so I can hopefully source treatment without taking up the NHS time?
"That particular quote was sweeping, definitive and really pretty wrong. I know that this is not a news site and it's ridiculous to expect journalistic standards. However, like all social media people read things and believe them. I will challenge something like this which actually has dangerous consequences. Nobody has to respond, but if they won't or can't it at least indicates how much the information should be believed. "They" could just be blatantly lying about STDs and the NHS need never be troubled | |||
"Even if there is sporadic up ticks in cases across the country, maybe due to more testing,protests, football celebrations, July 4th etc, There is now quite clear evidence, from the daily charts that the virus is mutating and becoming less potent,I would not expect any major up tick in deaths or ICUs from now on. The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed. There is no "clear evidence" of anything of the sort. Feel free to indicate where you got this from. Possibly someone said, it may have been in news, it may be a learned friend on face page.... seriously what does it matter ..... are you believing the ‘experts’.... because while I’m not going to cite a text they are all contradicting each other and have throughout. If you could enlighten me as to THE source that we should trust let me know xx Because it may well be made up. Untrue. A lie. I have heard no indication of this anywhere. You may not be concerned about the source of information during a pandemic. I am. A peer reviewed scientific paper, a WHO report, even a Government announcement. If not, then it's gossip. This is a bit too serious a matter to trust gossip, wouldn't you say? For a start Professor Matteo Bassetti said it and also Fernando Simón said it on Spanish news "Prof Bassetti added there could be several explanations for this, including lockdowns causing people to be exposed to smaller doses of Covid-19." Sounds like a sensatioalised, selective quote. Nothing said by Fernando Simón on this topic as far as I can see. Have you a quote? Sounds like you‘re an online expert. So I’ll let you have your agenda. Have fun Not at all. You've made some assertions. I looked at there veracity. What did Fernando Simón say? Where's the quote? If you can understand Spanish it’s on YouTube. After all you know everything haha. Still unable to find anything whatsoever from Fernando Simón the Spanish Chief Epidemiologist indicating that "the virus is mutating and becoming less potent". The closest thing that I could find was this from El Pais (translated): 'With the exception of one outbreak in Andalusia, which has been detected in a senior care home, most of the cases do not represent a threat to at-risk communities. “In Aragón, they are young workers who are healthy, no one has needed intensive care,” explained Simón, who added that the average age of coronavirus patients has fallen from 62 to 50 in one month. “This means that we are seeing a much less severe disease,” he said. Although the origin of some coronavirus cases is still unknown, most new infections are connected with the outbreaks. “They are going to be a threat throughout this period, both local and imported [cases],” said Simón. “We have better detection capacity, better knowledge, we understand how the virus behaves,” he explained. “Although there are outbreaks, it is difficult for the speed of transmission to be like it was before. Now we are detecting [cases] more quickly: 24 to 48 hours after symptoms begin; back then it was 10 or 15 days. We are better prepared. I’m not saying that things can’t happen, but it is more difficult for them to.”' This does not meant that the virus has changed or become less deadly. It just means that its spread has been better controlled. Definitely nothing about "The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed" Facts? You "couldn’t give a shit what" I "choose to believe or not ...." Your words, so why so keen to get my attention?
Anything to discuss on-topic or just going to go with a personal vedetta?
Probably just making a point more than anything that opinions and beliefs are possibly quite difficult to qualify with a quote, a peer reviewed paper, a link etc., especially when the ‘facts’ used to form the opinion or belief could, likely, be disputed.
As for my STD(‘s) .... did they mention what so I can hopefully source treatment without taking up the NHS time?
That particular quote was sweeping, definitive and really pretty wrong.
I know that this is not a news site and it's ridiculous to expect journalistic standards.
However, like all social media people read things and believe them.
I will challenge something like this which actually has dangerous consequences.
Nobody has to respond, but if they won't or can't it at least indicates how much the information should be believed.
"They" could just be blatantly lying about STDs and the NHS need never be troubled "Ok | |||
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"Even if there is sporadic up ticks in cases across the country, maybe due to more testing,protests, football celebrations, July 4th etc, There is now quite clear evidence, from the daily charts that the virus is mutating and becoming less potent,I would not expect any major up tick in deaths or ICUs from now on. The virus will die off and be gone well before any vacancies are made and distributed." Are you professor Ferguson in disguise?! | |||
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"Another 155 deaths today. Will we ever get the same number of deaths as France, Spain or Italy who tend to get 30/ 40 deaths per day. Not only have we got many more deaths than these countries but on top of this, it takes us much longer to reach their low daily numbers. I agree we haven't even sorted first spike. 200 cases death day is seen as acceptable. II IS NOT EVERYONE NEEDS OPEN THEIR EYES AND TAKE HEAD OUT OF THE SAND WE ARE WORLD BEATERS AT GETTING IT WRONG We’ve been having between 100 and 200 deaths per day for a very long time now. For a long time they told we were two weeks behind France, it looks like we’re two months behind them number wise." | |||
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"We still have nearly 200 deaths a day!!! It stopped reducing now increasing slightly worrying we're in summer Winter frightening thought Scotland so much better than england Worrying that Nicole sturgeon is doing better job then London Open your eyes this world beating getting it wrong. People dying before their time 65k" Sturgeon has got it right because of a more cautious approach and her messages given to the public have been very clear and concise whereas Boris and his team of clowns have done not one thing right in their attempts at protecting the public | |||
"We still have nearly 200 deaths a day!!! It stopped reducing now increasing slightly worrying we're in summer Winter frightening thought Scotland so much better than england Worrying that Nicole sturgeon is doing better job then London Open your eyes this world beating getting it wrong. People dying before their time 65k Sturgeon has got it right because of a more cautious approach and her messages given to the public have been very clear and concise whereas Boris and his team of clowns have done not one thing right in their attempts at protecting the public " Scotland haven’t got anything right - it’s just because they’re a smaller population, starting with fewer cases. It’s basic maths that things would drop there first compared with a population that’s 11 times greater. Sturgeon just finds out what the U.K./England plans are, adjusts the days and quickly rushes a statement out before the major U.K. announcement to make it seem like she’s doing something. | |||
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" It’s basic maths that things would drop there first compared with a population that’s 11 times greater. " That's why you look at the deaths per million or infection per 100k | |||
"We still have nearly 200 deaths a day!!! It stopped reducing now increasing slightly worrying we're in summer Winter frightening thought Scotland so much better than england Worrying that Nicole sturgeon is doing better job then London Open your eyes this world beating getting it wrong. People dying before their time 65k Sturgeon has got it right because of a more cautious approach and her messages given to the public have been very clear and concise whereas Boris and his team of clowns have done not one thing right in their attempts at protecting the public Scotland haven’t got anything right - it’s just because they’re a smaller population, starting with fewer cases. It’s basic maths that things would drop there first compared with a population that’s 11 times greater. Sturgeon just finds out what the U.K./England plans are, adjusts the days and quickly rushes a statement out before the major U.K. announcement to make it seem like she’s doing something." So what about Northern Ireland then ? We seem to be managing quite well sans Sturgeon et al | |||
" It’s basic maths that things would drop there first compared with a population that’s 11 times greater. That's why you look at the deaths per million or infection per 100k " I can't stand Nicola Sturgeon and will take any chance to have a pop at her. But, she and the folks north of the border seem to have done a much better job than we have in England. You can't just blame or congratulate the leaders, it's the population that make or break the policies and they seem to have done a better job of it. Well done. I know the population is lower and has more space so not the same challenges. But fair is fair. I'd rather be in Scotland right now than in England dreading the inevitable second lock down. | |||
" It’s basic maths that things would drop there first compared with a population that’s 11 times greater. That's why you look at the deaths per million or infection per 100k " It’s not as simple as that - you need to look at population size, population density, as well as many other factors that aggravate or slow down the spread of the virus. For example, one city in the England (London) contains more people than the whole population of Scotland, tightly packed into an area a fraction of the size. Deaths per 100k could be used as a measure but that doesn’t do anything to explain the obvious differences in how effectively it spreads. | |||
" It’s basic maths that things would drop there first compared with a population that’s 11 times greater. That's why you look at the deaths per million or infection per 100k It’s not as simple as that - you need to look at population size, population density, as well as many other factors that aggravate or slow down the spread of the virus. For example, one city in the England (London) contains more people than the whole population of Scotland, tightly packed into an area a fraction of the size. Deaths per 100k could be used as a measure but that doesn’t do anything to explain the obvious differences in how effectively it spreads." Also yeah I’m glad Scotland are recovering. I don’t want to seem like I’m against Scottish people. I just don’t believe or see any evidence that sturgeons actions made the virus deviate from its projected post-lockdown course. | |||
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" It’s basic maths that things would drop there first compared with a population that’s 11 times greater. That's why you look at the deaths per million or infection per 100k It’s not as simple as that - you need to look at population size, population density, as well as many other factors that aggravate or slow down the spread of the virus. For example, one city in the England (London) contains more people than the whole population of Scotland, tightly packed into an area a fraction of the size. Deaths per 100k could be used as a measure but that doesn’t do anything to explain the obvious differences in how effectively it spreads. Also yeah I’m glad Scotland are recovering. I don’t want to seem like I’m against Scottish people. I just don’t believe or see any evidence that sturgeons actions made the virus deviate from its projected post-lockdown course." Couldn't agree more...all wee Jimmy Kranky does is copy the UK gov lock down rules just a week later. But by doing it a week later, makes it look like she's being more careful. Fact is, the population density is a lot smaller. Maybe compare Scotland to the South West of England for a fairer comparison? | |||
"We still have nearly 200 deaths a day!!! It stopped reducing now increasing slightly worrying we're in summer Winter frightening thought Scotland so much better than england Worrying that Nicole sturgeon is doing better job then London Open your eyes this world beating getting it wrong. People dying before their time 65k Sturgeon has got it right because of a more cautious approach and her messages given to the public have been very clear and concise whereas Boris and his team of clowns have done not one thing right in their attempts at protecting the public Scotland haven’t got anything right - it’s just because they’re a smaller population, starting with fewer cases. It’s basic maths that things would drop there first compared with a population that’s 11 times greater. Sturgeon just finds out what the U.K./England plans are, adjusts the days and quickly rushes a statement out before the major U.K. announcement to make it seem like she’s doing something. So what about Northern Ireland then ? We seem to be managing quite well sans Sturgeon et al " We were doing great, then sinn fein go to a funeral and next day the bonfire builders are out and the bands lining up for parades. Maybe the worst is yet to come. How can someone be so stupid and arrogant ? | |||
