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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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Johns Hopkins Applied Physics Laboratory . ..
Senior scientists say that the virus does NOT change quickly and that that is a major plus for Vaccine Development. And that any mutations observed have little effect on the 'function'of the virus itself.
Go STOOPID virus !!!!!
We will beat you yet !!!!
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Some of the people I've been listening to have remarked on the slow genetic drift of the virus compared to others. It's a subject that's been looked at a lot. A site called Nextstrain gets brought up a lot. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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"Where's the queue so that I can get in line  "
got a funny feeling if one is found it will be front line workers and the vunerable first the rest of us will be at the back of the line wich is how it should be.hopefully it will be someone other than china or the u.s who comes up with one first |
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"Where's the queue so that I can get in line
got a funny feeling if one is found it will be front line workers and the vunerable first the rest of us will be at the back of the line wich is how it should be.hopefully it will be someone other than china or the u.s who comes up with one first"
I hope those with greatest exposure and greatest need get it first. And that some is reserved for poorer countries who can't just throw money at the problem. |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
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"Where's the queue so that I can get in line
got a funny feeling if one is found it will be front line workers and the vunerable first the rest of us will be at the back of the line wich is how it should be.hopefully it will be someone other than china or the u.s who comes up with one first
I hope those with greatest exposure and greatest need get it first. And that some is reserved for poorer countries who can't just throw money at the problem."
thats why i said hopefully soneone other than china or the u.s if they get there first it will be for countrys who can stump up the cash for it |
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By *atEvolution OP Couple
over a year ago
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"Where's the queue so that I can get in line
got a funny feeling if one is found it will be front line workers and the vunerable first the rest of us will be at the back of the line wich is how it should be.hopefully it will be someone other than china or the u.s who comes up with one first
I hope those with greatest exposure and greatest need get it first. And that some is reserved for poorer countries who can't just throw money at the problem.
thats why i said hopefully soneone other than china or the u.s if they get there first it will be for countrys who can stump up the cash for it"
AstraZeneca to supply Europe with up to 400 million doses of Oxford University’s vaccine at no profit. |
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over a year ago
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There is no incentive for finding a cure there is far more money in preventative treatments that minimise the effects, or drugs to control/slow symptoms and delay death. If you find a cure you no longer receive funding. Not one cure found for any corona virus, no cure for aids and no cure for any cancers - or at least no cure that will work for every type and every person. |
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"There is no incentive for finding a cure there is far more money in preventative treatments that minimise the effects, or drugs to control/slow symptoms and delay death. If you find a cure you no longer receive funding. Not one cure found for any corona virus, no cure for aids and no cure for any cancers - or at least no cure that will work for every type and every person."
This is why the government have provided massive funding to universities etc who are not in it for profit. Oxford Uni seem to be most promising. As has been said before...Astra Zeneca producing 100s of millions "at cost". Other companies stepping up and prepared to put lives ahead of profit....lets keep the optimism flowing.... |
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By *69BANMan
over a year ago
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"There is no incentive for finding a cure there is far more money in preventative treatments that minimise the effects, or drugs to control/slow symptoms and delay death. If you find a cure you no longer receive funding. Not one cure found for any corona virus, no cure for aids and no cure for any cancers - or at least no cure that will work for every type and every person."
I can tell you're not in the medical field, so I'll be polite. The incentive to find a viable vaccine is far greater for this virus due to the effect it has had on global economy. The profits from a viable vaccine pale in comparison to the current economic downturn.
If you find a cure your funding goes up as you've demonstrated success, so funding continues to develop and improve upon current treatments.
A cure has never been needed for a coronavirus before.
You're misconstruing HIV and AIDS, developing a vaccine for HIV is incredibly difficult as the body does not mount an immunological response to the virus, so trying to get the immune system to do that against something which doesn't raise a response like influenza is beyond our current treatments.
There are plenty of cures for cancers, otherwise how would anyone survive?? But you explained a lot yourself with your last sentence, cancer is a term given to a variety of conditions all of which present different aetiology and they'll never be a one size fits all.
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By *egin551Couple
over a year ago
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"There is no incentive for finding a cure there is far more money in preventative treatments that minimise the effects, or drugs to control/slow symptoms and delay death. If you find a cure you no longer receive funding. Not one cure found for any corona virus, no cure for aids and no cure for any cancers - or at least no cure that will work for every type and every person.
I can tell you're not in the medical field, so I'll be polite. The incentive to find a viable vaccine is far greater for this virus due to the effect it has had on global economy. The profits from a viable vaccine pale in comparison to the current economic downturn.
If you find a cure your funding goes up as you've demonstrated success, so funding continues to develop and improve upon current treatments.
A cure has never been needed for a coronavirus before.
You're misconstruing HIV and AIDS, developing a vaccine for HIV is incredibly difficult as the body does not mount an immunological response to the virus, so trying to get the immune system to do that against something which doesn't raise a response like influenza is beyond our current treatments.
There are plenty of cures for cancers, otherwise how would anyone survive?? But you explained a lot yourself with your last sentence, cancer is a term given to a variety of conditions all of which present different aetiology and they'll never be a one size fits all.
If you don't understand something then simply ask rather than write nonsense. "
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"There is no incentive for finding a cure there is far more money in preventative treatments that minimise the effects, or drugs to control/slow symptoms and delay death. If you find a cure you no longer receive funding. Not one cure found for any corona virus, no cure for aids and no cure for any cancers - or at least no cure that will work for every type and every person.
I can tell you're not in the medical field, so I'll be polite. The incentive to find a viable vaccine is far greater for this virus due to the effect it has had on global economy. The profits from a viable vaccine pale in comparison to the current economic downturn.
If you find a cure your funding goes up as you've demonstrated success, so funding continues to develop and improve upon current treatments.
A cure has never been needed for a coronavirus before.
You're misconstruing HIV and AIDS, developing a vaccine for HIV is incredibly difficult as the body does not mount an immunological response to the virus, so trying to get the immune system to do that against something which doesn't raise a response like influenza is beyond our current treatments.
There are plenty of cures for cancers, otherwise how would anyone survive?? But you explained a lot yourself with your last sentence, cancer is a term given to a variety of conditions all of which present different aetiology and they'll never be a one size fits all.
If you don't understand something then simply ask rather than write nonsense. "
If there were cures for cancers then how come you could take a range of people with the same cancer at the same stage, give them all the same treatment or cure and not save everyone of them. Why do pharmaceutical companies not share data if the funding for a success was so huge - they wouldn’t need to patent their products. If you create a cure for all virus and disease then the world faces a bigger problem of people living too long. There is as I say, no real incentive. Perhaps as you say in this case it’s slightly different as it is quite an indiscriminate virus damaging the global economy... |
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By *Wman15Man
over a year ago
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"There is no incentive for finding a cure there is far more money in preventative treatments that minimise the effects, or drugs to control/slow symptoms and delay death. If you find a cure you no longer receive funding. Not one cure found for any corona virus, no cure for aids and no cure for any cancers - or at least no cure that will work for every type and every person.
I can tell you're not in the medical field, so I'll be polite. The incentive to find a viable vaccine is far greater for this virus due to the effect it has had on global economy. The profits from a viable vaccine pale in comparison to the current economic downturn.
If you find a cure your funding goes up as you've demonstrated success, so funding continues to develop and improve upon current treatments.
A cure has never been needed for a coronavirus before.
You're misconstruing HIV and AIDS, developing a vaccine for HIV is incredibly difficult as the body does not mount an immunological response to the virus, so trying to get the immune system to do that against something which doesn't raise a response like influenza is beyond our current treatments.
There are plenty of cures for cancers, otherwise how would anyone survive?? But you explained a lot yourself with your last sentence, cancer is a term given to a variety of conditions all of which present different aetiology and they'll never be a one size fits all.
If you don't understand something then simply ask rather than write nonsense.
If there were cures for cancers then how come you could take a range of people with the same cancer at the same stage, give them all the same treatment or cure and not save everyone of them. Why do pharmaceutical companies not share data if the funding for a success was so huge - they wouldn’t need to patent their products. If you create a cure for all virus and disease then the world faces a bigger problem of people living too long. There is as I say, no real incentive. Perhaps as you say in this case it’s slightly different as it is quite an indiscriminate virus damaging the global economy..."
My niece works for a cancer research body (also researching CV19 atm) in London and there is an enormous amount of shared data and testing results |
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By *69BANMan
over a year ago
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"There is no incentive for finding a cure there is far more money in preventative treatments that minimise the effects, or drugs to control/slow symptoms and delay death. If you find a cure you no longer receive funding. Not one cure found for any corona virus, no cure for aids and no cure for any cancers - or at least no cure that will work for every type and every person.
I can tell you're not in the medical field, so I'll be polite. The incentive to find a viable vaccine is far greater for this virus due to the effect it has had on global economy. The profits from a viable vaccine pale in comparison to the current economic downturn.
If you find a cure your funding goes up as you've demonstrated success, so funding continues to develop and improve upon current treatments.
A cure has never been needed for a coronavirus before.
You're misconstruing HIV and AIDS, developing a vaccine for HIV is incredibly difficult as the body does not mount an immunological response to the virus, so trying to get the immune system to do that against something which doesn't raise a response like influenza is beyond our current treatments.
There are plenty of cures for cancers, otherwise how would anyone survive?? But you explained a lot yourself with your last sentence, cancer is a term given to a variety of conditions all of which present different aetiology and they'll never be a one size fits all.
If you don't understand something then simply ask rather than write nonsense.
If there were cures for cancers then how come you could take a range of people with the same cancer at the same stage, give them all the same treatment or cure and not save everyone of them. Why do pharmaceutical companies not share data if the funding for a success was so huge - they wouldn’t need to patent their products. If you create a cure for all virus and disease then the world faces a bigger problem of people living too long. There is as I say, no real incentive. Perhaps as you say in this case it’s slightly different as it is quite an indiscriminate virus damaging the global economy..."
Because not all treatments are effective, everyone can respond slightly differently or not at all. You are not the same person as your parents, you may react differently or have allergies your patents/siblings do not. This is the why a treatment can help one person but not another (a nuanced example without going into serious science) and why clinical trials last over at least 4 phases before going into observational trials, not everyone will show the same effect. |
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"Where's the queue so that I can get in line
got a funny feeling if one is found it will be front line workers and the vunerable first the rest of us will be at the back of the line wich is how it should be.hopefully it will be someone other than china or the u.s who comes up with one first
I hope those with greatest exposure and greatest need get it first. And that some is reserved for poorer countries who can't just throw money at the problem.
thats why i said hopefully soneone other than china or the u.s if they get there first it will be for countrys who can stump up the cash for it
AstraZeneca to supply Europe with up to 400 million doses of Oxford University’s vaccine at no profit."
I hope it's not the same concoction that resulted in half the monkeys in the vaccine group getting respiratory infection. I for one would not be queueing up for that, even if it were dished out for free!
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"Where's the queue so that I can get in line
got a funny feeling if one is found it will be front line workers and the vunerable first the rest of us will be at the back of the line wich is how it should be.hopefully it will be someone other than china or the u.s who comes up with one first
I hope those with greatest exposure and greatest need get it first. And that some is reserved for poorer countries who can't just throw money at the problem.
thats why i said hopefully soneone other than china or the u.s if they get there first it will be for countrys who can stump up the cash for it
AstraZeneca to supply Europe with up to 400 million doses of Oxford University’s vaccine at no profit.
I hope it's not the same concoction that resulted in half the monkeys in the vaccine group getting respiratory infection. I for one would not be queueing up for that, even if it were dished out for free!
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Which vaccine project was this? What type of monkeys were they? How many of the monkeys got respiratory infections in the blank group? Which sites have the results been published on? |
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"Where's the queue so that I can get in line
got a funny feeling if one is found it will be front line workers and the vunerable first the rest of us will be at the back of the line wich is how it should be.hopefully it will be someone other than china or the u.s who comes up with one first
I hope those with greatest exposure and greatest need get it first. And that some is reserved for poorer countries who can't just throw money at the problem.
thats why i said hopefully soneone other than china or the u.s if they get there first it will be for countrys who can stump up the cash for it
AstraZeneca to supply Europe with up to 400 million doses of Oxford University’s vaccine at no profit.
I hope it's not the same concoction that resulted in half the monkeys in the vaccine group getting respiratory infection. I for one would not be queueing up for that, even if it were dished out for free!
Which vaccine project was this? What type of monkeys were they? How many of the monkeys got respiratory infections in the blank group? Which sites have the results been published on?"
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01092-3 |
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"Where's the queue so that I can get in line
got a funny feeling if one is found it will be front line workers and the vunerable first the rest of us will be at the back of the line wich is how it should be.hopefully it will be someone other than china or the u.s who comes up with one first
I hope those with greatest exposure and greatest need get it first. And that some is reserved for poorer countries who can't just throw money at the problem.
thats why i said hopefully soneone other than china or the u.s if they get there first it will be for countrys who can stump up the cash for it
AstraZeneca to supply Europe with up to 400 million doses of Oxford University’s vaccine at no profit.
I hope it's not the same concoction that resulted in half the monkeys in the vaccine group getting respiratory infection. I for one would not be queueing up for that, even if it were dished out for free!
Which vaccine project was this? What type of monkeys were they? How many of the monkeys got respiratory infections in the blank group? Which sites have the results been published on?
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01092-3"
Many thanks for the link, it is 6 weeks old . Doesn't tell you how many of the blank monkey had upper respiratory infections you have to assume the same. If their findings are proved correct it is bad news for everyone as it seems antibodies don't stop you getting infected and infecting other it just stops you getting sick. |
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"Where's the queue so that I can get in line
got a funny feeling if one is found it will be front line workers and the vunerable first the rest of us will be at the back of the line wich is how it should be.hopefully it will be someone other than china or the u.s who comes up with one first
I hope those with greatest exposure and greatest need get it first. And that some is reserved for poorer countries who can't just throw money at the problem.
thats why i said hopefully soneone other than china or the u.s if they get there first it will be for countrys who can stump up the cash for it
AstraZeneca to supply Europe with up to 400 million doses of Oxford University’s vaccine at no profit.
I hope it's not the same concoction that resulted in half the monkeys in the vaccine group getting respiratory infection. I for one would not be queueing up for that, even if it were dished out for free!
Which vaccine project was this? What type of monkeys were they? How many of the monkeys got respiratory infections in the blank group? Which sites have the results been published on?
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01092-3
Many thanks for the link, it is 6 weeks old . Doesn't tell you how many of the blank monkey had upper respiratory infections you have to assume the same. If their findings are proved correct it is bad news for everyone as it seems antibodies don't stop you getting infected and infecting other it just stops you getting sick."
I'm baffled as to whether ppl signing up to take part in human trials of this are aware how badly the animal testing went! |
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"Where's the queue so that I can get in line
got a funny feeling if one is found it will be front line workers and the vunerable first the rest of us will be at the back of the line wich is how it should be.hopefully it will be someone other than china or the u.s who comes up with one first
I hope those with greatest exposure and greatest need get it first. And that some is reserved for poorer countries who can't just throw money at the problem.
thats why i said hopefully soneone other than china or the u.s if they get there first it will be for countrys who can stump up the cash for it
AstraZeneca to supply Europe with up to 400 million doses of Oxford University’s vaccine at no profit.
I hope it's not the same concoction that resulted in half the monkeys in the vaccine group getting respiratory infection. I for one would not be queueing up for that, even if it were dished out for free!
Which vaccine project was this? What type of monkeys were they? How many of the monkeys got respiratory infections in the blank group? Which sites have the results been published on?
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01092-3
Many thanks for the link, it is 6 weeks old . Doesn't tell you how many of the blank monkey had upper respiratory infections you have to assume the same. If their findings are proved correct it is bad news for everyone as it seems antibodies don't stop you getting infected and infecting other it just stops you getting sick.
I'm baffled as to whether ppl signing up to take part in human trials of this are aware how badly the animal testing went! "
It didn't go badly they have gone much better than expected. I don't think any human trials have injected a live virus into volunteers yet. This is the most dangerous part as some people in the placebo group will be injected with live virus with any vaccine projection. |
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"Where's the queue so that I can get in line
got a funny feeling if one is found it will be front line workers and the vunerable first the rest of us will be at the back of the line wich is how it should be.hopefully it will be someone other than china or the u.s who comes up with one first
I hope those with greatest exposure and greatest need get it first. And that some is reserved for poorer countries who can't just throw money at the problem.
thats why i said hopefully soneone other than china or the u.s if they get there first it will be for countrys who can stump up the cash for it
AstraZeneca to supply Europe with up to 400 million doses of Oxford University’s vaccine at no profit.
I hope it's not the same concoction that resulted in half the monkeys in the vaccine group getting respiratory infection. I for one would not be queueing up for that, even if it were dished out for free!
Which vaccine project was this? What type of monkeys were they? How many of the monkeys got respiratory infections in the blank group? Which sites have the results been published on?
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01092-3
Many thanks for the link, it is 6 weeks old . Doesn't tell you how many of the blank monkey had upper respiratory infections you have to assume the same. If their findings are proved correct it is bad news for everyone as it seems antibodies don't stop you getting infected and infecting other it just stops you getting sick."
Oh and btw, the placebo in this set of trials is not a 'blank' vaccine but the men ACWY vaccine. So they're effectively testing safety of a novel vaccine against another vaccine.  |
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By *69BANMan
over a year ago
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"Where's the queue so that I can get in line
got a funny feeling if one is found it will be front line workers and the vunerable first the rest of us will be at the back of the line wich is how it should be.hopefully it will be someone other than china or the u.s who comes up with one first
I hope those with greatest exposure and greatest need get it first. And that some is reserved for poorer countries who can't just throw money at the problem.
thats why i said hopefully soneone other than china or the u.s if they get there first it will be for countrys who can stump up the cash for it
AstraZeneca to supply Europe with up to 400 million doses of Oxford University’s vaccine at no profit.
I hope it's not the same concoction that resulted in half the monkeys in the vaccine group getting respiratory infection. I for one would not be queueing up for that, even if it were dished out for free!
Which vaccine project was this? What type of monkeys were they? How many of the monkeys got respiratory infections in the blank group? Which sites have the results been published on?
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01092-3
Many thanks for the link, it is 6 weeks old . Doesn't tell you how many of the blank monkey had upper respiratory infections you have to assume the same. If their findings are proved correct it is bad news for everyone as it seems antibodies don't stop you getting infected and infecting other it just stops you getting sick.
Oh and btw, the placebo in this set of trials is not a 'blank' vaccine but the men ACWY vaccine. So they're effectively testing safety of a novel vaccine against another vaccine. "
And the issue with that is? Just because you don't understand why something is being done that it must be wrong, including not understanding the nature article. |
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"Where's the queue so that I can get in line
got a funny feeling if one is found it will be front line workers and the vunerable first the rest of us will be at the back of the line wich is how it should be.hopefully it will be someone other than china or the u.s who comes up with one first
I hope those with greatest exposure and greatest need get it first. And that some is reserved for poorer countries who can't just throw money at the problem.
thats why i said hopefully soneone other than china or the u.s if they get there first it will be for countrys who can stump up the cash for it
AstraZeneca to supply Europe with up to 400 million doses of Oxford University’s vaccine at no profit.
I hope it's not the same concoction that resulted in half the monkeys in the vaccine group getting respiratory infection. I for one would not be queueing up for that, even if it were dished out for free!
Which vaccine project was this? What type of monkeys were they? How many of the monkeys got respiratory infections in the blank group? Which sites have the results been published on?
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01092-3
Many thanks for the link, it is 6 weeks old . Doesn't tell you how many of the blank monkey had upper respiratory infections you have to assume the same. If their findings are proved correct it is bad news for everyone as it seems antibodies don't stop you getting infected and infecting other it just stops you getting sick.
Oh and btw, the placebo in this set of trials is not a 'blank' vaccine but the men ACWY vaccine. So they're effectively testing safety of a novel vaccine against another vaccine.
And the issue with that is? Just because you don't understand why something is being done that it must be wrong, including not understanding the nature article. "
Given you like to sound like you understand it, what's right with running a vaccine trial where the control group gets given another vaccine for comparison?
Im no clinical researcher so maybe Im just reading into it too much from the pure scientist point of view given my experience is all in lab science. Does having worked on cancer vaccines count for anything though? Or does these still make me unqualified to pass a judgement?
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By *69BANMan
over a year ago
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"Where's the queue so that I can get in line
got a funny feeling if one is found it will be front line workers and the vunerable first the rest of us will be at the back of the line wich is how it should be.hopefully it will be someone other than china or the u.s who comes up with one first
I hope those with greatest exposure and greatest need get it first. And that some is reserved for poorer countries who can't just throw money at the problem.
thats why i said hopefully soneone other than china or the u.s if they get there first it will be for countrys who can stump up the cash for it
AstraZeneca to supply Europe with up to 400 million doses of Oxford University’s vaccine at no profit.
I hope it's not the same concoction that resulted in half the monkeys in the vaccine group getting respiratory infection. I for one would not be queueing up for that, even if it were dished out for free!
Which vaccine project was this? What type of monkeys were they? How many of the monkeys got respiratory infections in the blank group? Which sites have the results been published on?
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01092-3
Many thanks for the link, it is 6 weeks old . Doesn't tell you how many of the blank monkey had upper respiratory infections you have to assume the same. If their findings are proved correct it is bad news for everyone as it seems antibodies don't stop you getting infected and infecting other it just stops you getting sick.
Oh and btw, the placebo in this set of trials is not a 'blank' vaccine but the men ACWY vaccine. So they're effectively testing safety of a novel vaccine against another vaccine.
And the issue with that is? Just because you don't understand why something is being done that it must be wrong, including not understanding the nature article.
Given you like to sound like you understand it, what's right with running a vaccine trial where the control group gets given another vaccine for comparison?
Im no clinical researcher so maybe Im just reading into it too much from the pure scientist point of view given my experience is all in lab science. Does having worked on cancer vaccines count for anything though? Or does these still make me unqualified to pass a judgement?
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Quite simply because the CoV-19 vaccine is expected to show some minor side effects, so giving a saline shot wouldn't show these and the patient and researcher would know who received what. So an active control is used to help maintain the double blind nature of the study. |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
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"Where's the queue so that I can get in line
got a funny feeling if one is found it will be front line workers and the vunerable first the rest of us will be at the back of the line wich is how it should be.hopefully it will be someone other than china or the u.s who comes up with one first
I hope those with greatest exposure and greatest need get it first. And that some is reserved for poorer countries who can't just throw money at the problem.
thats why i said hopefully soneone other than china or the u.s if they get there first it will be for countrys who can stump up the cash for it"
And be at the back of the queue too.. |
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