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By *DGF20Man
over a year ago
Dublin |
Really not sure what's behind that story, it's in Croatia so everything is possible...i am just sad about tourism in Croatia this summer because it's almost main income for Croatian economy and they did great job about Covid-19 but they fuck all now i think |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
Forum Mod O o O oo |
"No different to those covidiots protesting
Bit different
Very much different
Not you again...
Still kicking off arguments and pretending to be the one who is hurt? "
Ignore each other please |
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By *arkb73Man
over a year ago
Cheshire/Staffs |
"No different to those covidiots protesting
Bit different
Very much different
Not you again...
Still kicking off arguments and pretending to be the one who is hurt?
Ignore each other please"
Delighted to do so |
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"Is he the one that is an anti-vaxxer, bit ironic isn't it?  "
Is it ?
So he has caught it not died and is now possibly immune
I suggest caution at ridicule
Imagine if immunity to the virus give some greater freedoms
Imagine he can now safely genuinely hug his mum
I suggest caution with holier than thou finger wagging
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"Is he the one that is an anti-vaxxer, bit ironic isn't it?
Is it ?
So he has caught it not died and is now possibly immune
I suggest caution at ridicule
Imagine if immunity to the virus give some greater freedoms
Imagine he can now safely genuinely hug his mum
I suggest caution with holier than thou finger wagging
"
No one knows if or for how long catching the virus makes you immmune. He may get sick yet. He has admitted he was stupid. |
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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago
Scotland - Aberdeen |
It wasn't just tennis he was playing though!
Him and friends were partying in some sort of night club, with no social distancing at all, says it all really Not that I know the rules that Croatia has set themselves of course. |
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"Is he the one that is an anti-vaxxer, bit ironic isn't it?
Is it ?
So he has caught it not died and is now possibly immune
I suggest caution at ridicule
Imagine if immunity to the virus give some greater freedoms
Imagine he can now safely genuinely hug his mum
I suggest caution with holier than thou finger wagging
No one knows if or for how long catching the virus makes you immmune. He may get sick yet. He has admitted he was stupid."
As you say no one , no one , absolutely no one knows
Holding A position either way is based upon stuff no one knows
I did not say I condone his actions I suggested caution in condemning them vehemently that there are other quite valid perspectives
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"Is he the one that is an anti-vaxxer, bit ironic isn't it?
Is it ?
So he has caught it not died and is now possibly immune
I suggest caution at ridicule
Imagine if immunity to the virus give some greater freedoms
Imagine he can now safely genuinely hug his mum
I suggest caution with holier than thou finger wagging
No one knows if or for how long catching the virus makes you immmune. He may get sick yet. He has admitted he was stupid.
As you say no one , no one , absolutely no one knows
Holding A position either way is based upon stuff no one knows
I did not say I condone his actions I suggested caution in condemning them vehemently that there are other quite valid perspectives
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there is actually a suggestion coming out of a study in china (so take it for what its worth) that the milder your experience with Covid is.... the shorter time the antibodies you have last
if you have me agree with Nick Kyrgios, who called all the tennis players "boneheads" and he is suppose to be the mental aussie, then we know 2020 is a weird place....
actually the irony in the anti vaxxer getting it... then possibly getting it again because of his anti vaxxer beliefs is just setting off all my irony alarms at chez _abio!!!
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"Is he the one that is an anti-vaxxer, bit ironic isn't it?
Is it ?
So he has caught it not died and is now possibly immune
I suggest caution at ridicule
Imagine if immunity to the virus give some greater freedoms
Imagine he can now safely genuinely hug his mum
I suggest caution with holier than thou finger wagging
"
With you there brother. I'm still pretty new to these forums but there seem to be industrial quantities of schadenfreude in most threads. |
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"Is he the one that is an anti-vaxxer, bit ironic isn't it?
Is it ?
So he has caught it not died and is now possibly immune
I suggest caution at ridicule
Imagine if immunity to the virus give some greater freedoms
Imagine he can now safely genuinely hug his mum
I suggest caution with holier than thou finger wagging
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What about all the people he gave it to that may not be as strong as an ox like him
Food for thought or is he just is a selfish cunt really |
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"Is he the one that is an anti-vaxxer, bit ironic isn't it?
Is it ?
So he has caught it not died and is now possibly immune
I suggest caution at ridicule
Imagine if immunity to the virus give some greater freedoms
Imagine he can now safely genuinely hug his mum
I suggest caution with holier than thou finger wagging
What about all the people he gave it to that may not be as strong as an ox like him
Food for thought or is he just is a selfish cunt really "
Have you ever wondered how many deaths you are directly responsible for in the past for not a, avoiding a virus and b, then continuing with your life
Food for thought x |
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Big tennis fan here.
He organised the tournament with a few others and it say it was wildly irresponsible would be an understatement.
Especially considering sport, in general, is on shaky ground getting back on its feet. This could be a calamity for the ATP and WTA.
The lack of social distancing and the massive post tournament players party were head in hand moments.
Djokovic has had several missteps culminating in this over the last several months and would do well taking a step back.
Not a good look for the sport at all. |
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As for anti vaccine
This from the BBC
Many traditional vaccines are based on a weakened or modified form of virus, or parts of it, but the Imperial vaccine is based on a new approach, using synthetic strands of genetic code, called RNA, which mimic the virus.
Once injected into muscle, the RNA self-amplifies - generating copies of itself - and instructs the body's own cells to make copies of a spike protein found on the outside of the virus.
This should train the immune system to recognise and fight coronavirus without having to develop Covid-19.
New approach
Not tried tested understood
New approach
Modified RNA. They have made a new virus in other words and are injecting it
Now I wish them well but the traditional arguments pro vaccine do not exactly hold true
With a man made virus made and injected into humans within 4 months of development
I'm an advocate of vaccine but personally I'd rather catch cov and isolate responsibly than have this RNA injected this year or two ???
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"No different to those covidiots protesting "
Agree but others won't, because they have two sets of rules, one for those they like and one for those they don't lol |
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"He is Serbian. They are very strong willed people and have a history of upsetting the rest of the world. He is obviously not very different.
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Is that not also
A trait shared by SOME
English,Welsh,Scottish, Irish, French, Italian, Russian , infact some humans generally
???
The average fab response to the question
" do you care what others think "
Is usually
" I could not give a flying fuck what others think"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"He is Serbian. They are very strong willed people and have a history of upsetting the rest of the world. He is obviously not very different.
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He is Serbian therefore........ He is from Jamaica therefore...... He is from ........ Hmmmmm |
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By *69BANMan
over a year ago
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"As for anti vaccine
This from the BBC
Many traditional vaccines are based on a weakened or modified form of virus, or parts of it, but the Imperial vaccine is based on a new approach, using synthetic strands of genetic code, called RNA, which mimic the virus.
Once injected into muscle, the RNA self-amplifies - generating copies of itself - and instructs the body's own cells to make copies of a spike protein found on the outside of the virus.
This should train the immune system to recognise and fight coronavirus without having to develop Covid-19.
New approach
Not tried tested understood
New approach
Modified RNA. They have made a new virus in other words and are injecting it
Now I wish them well but the traditional arguments pro vaccine do not exactly hold true
With a man made virus made and injected into humans within 4 months of development
I'm an advocate of vaccine but personally I'd rather catch cov and isolate responsibly than have this RNA injected this year or two ???
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None of what you said shows you understand what was reported  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"As for anti vaccine
This from the BBC
Many traditional vaccines are based on a weakened or modified form of virus, or parts of it, but the Imperial vaccine is based on a new approach, using synthetic strands of genetic code, called RNA, which mimic the virus.
Once injected into muscle, the RNA self-amplifies - generating copies of itself - and instructs the body's own cells to make copies of a spike protein found on the outside of the virus.
This should train the immune system to recognise and fight coronavirus without having to develop Covid-19.
New approach
Not tried tested understood
New approach
Modified RNA. They have made a new virus in other words and are injecting it
Now I wish them well but the traditional arguments pro vaccine do not exactly hold true
With a man made virus made and injected into humans within 4 months of development
I'm an advocate of vaccine but personally I'd rather catch cov and isolate responsibly than have this RNA injected this year or two ???
"
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"As for anti vaccine
This from the BBC
Many traditional vaccines are based on a weakened or modified form of virus, or parts of it, but the Imperial vaccine is based on a new approach, using synthetic strands of genetic code, called RNA, which mimic the virus.
Once injected into muscle, the RNA self-amplifies - generating copies of itself - and instructs the body's own cells to make copies of a spike protein found on the outside of the virus.
This should train the immune system to recognise and fight coronavirus without having to develop Covid-19.
New approach
Not tried tested understood
New approach
Modified RNA. They have made a new virus in other words and are injecting it
Now I wish them well but the traditional arguments pro vaccine do not exactly hold true
With a man made virus made and injected into humans within 4 months of development
I'm an advocate of vaccine but personally I'd rather catch cov and isolate responsibly than have this RNA injected this year or two ???
None of what you said shows you understand what was reported "
Ok thank you could you articulate what part I have mis understood
Dont think I mis understood that it was a new approach?
Dont think I mis understood that the RNA they have built did not exist before cov sars2
Dont think I mis understood that RNA that (self amplifies) ie uses human cells to replicate is a virus
I'm perfectly aware they have been experimenting with virus administered genes and other techniques for a while
Experimenting. Learning
I understand scientific method for understanding
Does not mean everything human scientists produce are robust
The anti anti vaccers have a valid point that past vaccines have been illustrated to be tatistically safe and robust
This does not have the safety credentials yet
Now regardless of whether you know more or are indeed correct about my understanding your argument of
"Your wrong cos I say you are"
Has not yet convinced me
I'm perfectly open to being given reasoning that illustrates why I mis understood the meaning of new untested human developed viral vaccine ? |
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For him personally it would be more about what the long term effects of the virus will have on his lungs. As a top tennis player he needs his fitness to be super fit. This may affect him long term. We can only hope not. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Is he the one that is an anti-vaxxer, bit ironic isn't it?
Is it ?
So he has caught it not died and is now possibly immune
I suggest caution at ridicule
Imagine if immunity to the virus give some greater freedoms
Imagine he can now safely genuinely hug his mum
I suggest caution with holier than thou finger wagging
With you there brother. I'm still pretty new to these forums but there seem to be industrial quantities of schadenfreude in most threads. "
Doubt he can freely hug his mum. While he might not get infected again himself (as yet unproven) he may well still potentially be a vector. His skin and clothing could act as surfaces to collect and transfer viable viruses. |
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By *69BANMan
over a year ago
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"As for anti vaccine
This from the BBC
Many traditional vaccines are based on a weakened or modified form of virus, or parts of it, but the Imperial vaccine is based on a new approach, using synthetic strands of genetic code, called RNA, which mimic the virus.
Once injected into muscle, the RNA self-amplifies - generating copies of itself - and instructs the body's own cells to make copies of a spike protein found on the outside of the virus.
This should train the immune system to recognise and fight coronavirus without having to develop Covid-19.
New approach
Not tried tested understood
New approach
Modified RNA. They have made a new virus in other words and are injecting it
Now I wish them well but the traditional arguments pro vaccine do not exactly hold true
With a man made virus made and injected into humans within 4 months of development
I'm an advocate of vaccine but personally I'd rather catch cov and isolate responsibly than have this RNA injected this year or two ???
None of what you said shows you understand what was reported
Ok thank you could you articulate what part I have mis understood
Dont think I mis understood that it was a new approach?
Dont think I mis understood that the RNA they have built did not exist before cov sars2
Dont think I mis understood that RNA that (self amplifies) ie uses human cells to replicate is a virus
I'm perfectly aware they have been experimenting with virus administered genes and other techniques for a while
Experimenting. Learning
I understand scientific method for understanding
Does not mean everything human scientists produce are robust
The anti anti vaccers have a valid point that past vaccines have been illustrated to be tatistically safe and robust
This does not have the safety credentials yet
Now regardless of whether you know more or are indeed correct about my understanding your argument of
"Your wrong cos I say you are"
Has not yet convinced me
I'm perfectly open to being given reasoning that illustrates why I mis understood the meaning of new untested human developed viral vaccine ? "
It's actually really difficult to understand what you're trying to articulate, maybe English isn't your first language? But I'll attempt to address your points.
- a mRNA vaccine does not code for a virus, it codes for the S-protein in this case (which all current vaccine candidates are targeting). So you end up with an antigen protein against which the body can mount an immune response.
- they have not made a new virus, they have identified from SARS-2 genome what codes for the specific antigen and are using this that's all. You copied this yourself from the BBC yet came to the conclusion it meant an actual virus!
- they have the potential of being safer as you're not having to deal with attenuated or even live virus vaccines
- of course there are 'no safety credentials', it's early days and why clinical trials are being performed to the highest standards of GCP and declaration of Helsinki, etc.
- if this treatment isn't robust enough or demonstrate its primary objective in the trials it will likely not make it any further without revision, at which point it'll start at the beginning again.
- Unless you've signed up for the trial, you will not be injected within 4 months of development. It is at phase 1 at the moment, we need to get to phase 3 at least before we know if it's a viable option
- to prefer to catch a potentially life threatening virus over a vaccine that will be thoroughly tested is just a big wow!
- the approach is maybe 20 years old, it's just that we haven't had the technology or know how to keep mRNA stable enough for vaccines, and we still may not dependent on the results of the studies |
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"As for anti vaccine
This from the BBC
Many traditional vaccines are based on a weakened or modified form of virus, or parts of it, but the Imperial vaccine is based on a new approach, using synthetic strands of genetic code, called RNA, which mimic the virus.
Once injected into muscle, the RNA self-amplifies - generating copies of itself - and instructs the body's own cells to make copies of a spike protein found on the outside of the virus.
This should train the immune system to recognise and fight coronavirus without having to develop Covid-19.
New approach
Not tried tested understood
New approach
Modified RNA. They have made a new virus in other words and are injecting it
Now I wish them well but the traditional arguments pro vaccine do not exactly hold true
With a man made virus made and injected into humans within 4 months of development
I'm an advocate of vaccine but personally I'd rather catch cov and isolate responsibly than have this RNA injected this year or two ???
None of what you said shows you understand what was reported
Ok thank you could you articulate what part I have mis understood
Dont think I mis understood that it was a new approach?
Dont think I mis understood that the RNA they have built did not exist before cov sars2
Dont think I mis understood that RNA that (self amplifies) ie uses human cells to replicate is a virus
I'm perfectly aware they have been experimenting with virus administered genes and other techniques for a while
Experimenting. Learning
I understand scientific method for understanding
Does not mean everything human scientists produce are robust
The anti anti vaccers have a valid point that past vaccines have been illustrated to be tatistically safe and robust
This does not have the safety credentials yet
Now regardless of whether you know more or are indeed correct about my understanding your argument of
"Your wrong cos I say you are"
Has not yet convinced me
I'm perfectly open to being given reasoning that illustrates why I mis understood the meaning of new untested human developed viral vaccine ?
It's actually really difficult to understand what you're trying to articulate, maybe English isn't your first language? But I'll attempt to address your points.
- a mRNA vaccine does not code for a virus, it codes for the S-protein in this case (which all current vaccine candidates are targeting). So you end up with an antigen protein against which the body can mount an immune response.
- they have not made a new virus, they have identified from SARS-2 genome what codes for the specific antigen and are using this that's all. You copied this yourself from the BBC yet came to the conclusion it meant an actual virus!
- they have the potential of being safer as you're not having to deal with attenuated or even live virus vaccines
- of course there are 'no safety credentials', it's early days and why clinical trials are being performed to the highest standards of GCP and declaration of Helsinki, etc.
- if this treatment isn't robust enough or demonstrate its primary objective in the trials it will likely not make it any further without revision, at which point it'll start at the beginning again.
- Unless you've signed up for the trial, you will not be injected within 4 months of development. It is at phase 1 at the moment, we need to get to phase 3 at least before we know if it's a viable option
- to prefer to catch a potentially life threatening virus over a vaccine that will be thoroughly tested is just a big wow!
- the approach is maybe 20 years old, it's just that we haven't had the technology or know how to keep mRNA stable enough for vaccines, and we still may not dependent on the results of the studies"
Apart from the side swipe at my language origin that was beautifully articulated thank you
I especially liked the emphasis on "thoroughly tested"
It seems despite your attempt to be condescending we have an accord
I clearly said I'd prefer to take my chances with covid than an "untested" vaccine
I also said I'm an advocate of vaccines
As you clearly perfectly illustrate this is still an experimental approach will the potential to be safer not evidently so
I think the statistics would be in my favour if I were infected
The reality is statistically I most like will be or have been infected before a safe vaccination
But keeping it civil thank you for an insight to how the new approach is hypothetically supposed to work in humans
And regardless of your denial they are using RNA that replicates into a shell
That's still a virus
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over a year ago
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"As for anti vaccine
This from the BBC
Many traditional vaccines are based on a weakened or modified form of virus, or parts of it, but the Imperial vaccine is based on a new approach, using synthetic strands of genetic code, called RNA, which mimic the virus.
Once injected into muscle, the RNA self-amplifies - generating copies of itself - and instructs the body's own cells to make copies of a spike protein found on the outside of the virus.
This should train the immune system to recognise and fight coronavirus without having to develop Covid-19.
New approach
Not tried tested understood
New approach
Modified RNA. They have made a new virus in other words and are injecting it
Now I wish them well but the traditional arguments pro vaccine do not exactly hold true
With a man made virus made and injected into humans within 4 months of development
I'm an advocate of vaccine but personally I'd rather catch cov and isolate responsibly than have this RNA injected this year or two ???
None of what you said shows you understand what was reported
Ok thank you could you articulate what part I have mis understood
Dont think I mis understood that it was a new approach?
Dont think I mis understood that the RNA they have built did not exist before cov sars2
Dont think I mis understood that RNA that (self amplifies) ie uses human cells to replicate is a virus
I'm perfectly aware they have been experimenting with virus administered genes and other techniques for a while
Experimenting. Learning
I understand scientific method for understanding
Does not mean everything human scientists produce are robust
The anti anti vaccers have a valid point that past vaccines have been illustrated to be tatistically safe and robust
This does not have the safety credentials yet
Now regardless of whether you know more or are indeed correct about my understanding your argument of
"Your wrong cos I say you are"
Has not yet convinced me
I'm perfectly open to being given reasoning that illustrates why I mis understood the meaning of new untested human developed viral vaccine ?
It's actually really difficult to understand what you're trying to articulate, maybe English isn't your first language? But I'll attempt to address your points.
- a mRNA vaccine does not code for a virus, it codes for the S-protein in this case (which all current vaccine candidates are targeting). So you end up with an antigen protein against which the body can mount an immune response.
- they have not made a new virus, they have identified from SARS-2 genome what codes for the specific antigen and are using this that's all. You copied this yourself from the BBC yet came to the conclusion it meant an actual virus!
- they have the potential of being safer as you're not having to deal with attenuated or even live virus vaccines
- of course there are 'no safety credentials', it's early days and why clinical trials are being performed to the highest standards of GCP and declaration of Helsinki, etc.
- if this treatment isn't robust enough or demonstrate its primary objective in the trials it will likely not make it any further without revision, at which point it'll start at the beginning again.
- Unless you've signed up for the trial, you will not be injected within 4 months of development. It is at phase 1 at the moment, we need to get to phase 3 at least before we know if it's a viable option
- to prefer to catch a potentially life threatening virus over a vaccine that will be thoroughly tested is just a big wow!
- the approach is maybe 20 years old, it's just that we haven't had the technology or know how to keep mRNA stable enough for vaccines, and we still may not dependent on the results of the studies
Apart from the side swipe at my language origin that was beautifully articulated thank you
I especially liked the emphasis on "thoroughly tested"
It seems despite your attempt to be condescending we have an accord
I clearly said I'd prefer to take my chances with covid than an "untested" vaccine
I also said I'm an advocate of vaccines
As you clearly perfectly illustrate this is still an experimental approach will the potential to be safer not evidently so
I think the statistics would be in my favour if I were infected
The reality is statistically I most like will be or have been infected before a safe vaccination
But keeping it civil thank you for an insight to how the new approach is hypothetically supposed to work in humans
And regardless of your denial they are using RNA that replicates into a shell
That's still a virus
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You'd have to be insane to take this fast tracked vaccine.
No one is going to want it. |
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