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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

Their 'R" rate is now 1.8....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Shhhhh the fab experts keep telling us how Germany have done everything right and we have done everything wrong.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"Shhhhh the fab experts keep telling us how Germany have done everything right and we have done everything wrong.

10 000 vs 42 000. It's true Germany has done crap.

If they have, how we have done mr expert?

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

It's actually less than 9 000 deaths for Germany. Really abysmal indeed.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

I would have preferred to have had most of the German responses to this virus than our world-beating incompetence.

They were perhaps a bit too hasty in their regionally driven push to relax restrictions. Let's hope that this is learned from and that all countries manage to reduce their levels and infection growth.

It would be enlightening to hear from those critical of the German response but not ours, where we have done things better to actually reduce infection levels and deaths in detailed comparison.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Haha 2 on the same hook

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

Very convincing argument. You’ve convinced the families of the 42000 people who’ve lost a loved one.

Quite pathetic actually.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"Haha 2 on the same hook"

Very funny indeed.

I’ve got an idea for your next tattoo.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just off fishing

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"Just off fishing

Don’t. You’re already out of your depth.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Haha 2 on the same hook"

Great fun isn't it..

When you can use the deaths of thousands of people to 'score points' on an internet forum..

Oh, how we laughed..

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

There is a lesson from Germany be very wary coming out of lockdown.They have come out to quick in my view as we are doing

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

"There is a lesson from Germany be very wary coming out of lockdown.They have come out to quick in my view as we are doing"

I agree with the wary coming out of lockdown. Is it too early? I don’t think so .

The German r number spike is down to localised increases - not nationally.

There will be similar spikes in the U.K.

we should monitor how Germany deal with this spike above R1.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"There is a lesson from Germany be very wary coming out of lockdown.They have come out to quick in my view as we are doing

I agree with the wary coming out of lockdown. Is it too early? I don’t think so

The German r number spike is down to localised increases - not nationally.

There will be similar spikes in the U.K.

we should monitor how Germany deal with this spike above R1."

This is providing that our gvt is prepared to learn anything from other countries but as they are in love with their own belly buttons and think what we are so superior to everybody else, I can’t see this happening.

The R number was always going to go up after lockdown I guess. As long as you have a track and trace system in place, this is easier to manage and contain. The Germans do, we don’t.

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By *D835Man over a year ago

London

"There is a lesson from Germany be very wary coming out of lockdown.They have come out to quick in my view as we are doing

I agree with the wary coming out of lockdown. Is it too early? I don’t think so

The German r number spike is down to localised increases - not nationally.

There will be similar spikes in the U.K.

we should monitor how Germany deal with this spike above R1.

The R number was always going to go up after lockdown I guess. As long as you have a track and trace system in place, this is easier to manage and contain. The Germans do, we don’t.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

I am sure that should the R number in the U.K. move past 1 the government will take action appropriate for this country.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"I am sure that should the R number in the U.K. move past 1 the government will take action appropriate for this country.

You’re very forgiving. It’s fair to say that they haven’t made many right decisions so far. What would they do?

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By *r TriomanMan over a year ago

Chippenham Malmesbury area

If this was a sporting event, it would fair to say that we're only in the opening seconds, there's still along way to go before anyone can accurately assess which country has/had the best approach.

No country has ever dealt with this type of situation before, there isn't a best model for handling it. Maybe in 3 to 5 years time the world will know what works best. But for now, no one really knows.

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

Are we sure of this 1.8 figure .

It sounds so high it should be headline news after yesterday's horrific incident of course.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

"Are we sure of this 1.8 figure .

It sounds so high it should be headline news after yesterday's horrific incident of course."

It’s Germany R number

U.K. is still between 0.6 and 0.8

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

"Are we sure of this 1.8 figure .

It sounds so high it should be headline news after yesterday's horrific incident of course.

It’s Germany R number

U.K. is still between 0.6 and 0.8"

Yes sorry should have been clearer I was referring to Germany. Still thought with it being so high it would be very high on the news

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

R number means nothing thousands test positive every day, numbers dying still falling. If vulnerable are not in the R rate, death rate should keep falling.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We will never know if all deaths are from covid-19 since they haven't done post mortem, I suspect we will never know the true death rate

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By *D835Man over a year ago

London

"If this was a sporting event, it would fair to say that we're only in the opening seconds, there's still along way to go before anyone can accurately assess which country has/had the best approach.

Some countries in Asia have dealt with SARS and other viruses before.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

When the overall number of cases is small (as it is in Germany) a relatively insignificant rise in the number of cased can produce a large change in the calculated value of R over a short period (it's a statistical anomaly). Only if the R value remains high for an extended period (2 -3 weeks) would there be cause for serious concern.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Are we sure of this 1.8 figure .

It sounds so high it should be headline news after yesterday's horrific incident of course."

All it really means is that there was an outbreak in a meat factory, not that it proves there is any need to keep healthy people under house arrest

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

"Are we sure of this 1.8 figure .

It sounds so high it should be headline news after yesterday's horrific incident of course.

All it really means is that there was an outbreak in a meat factory, not that it proves there is any need to keep healthy people under house arrest "

My mistake I wrongly thought it was for the country or region. I did not know about the meat factory

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"If this was a sporting event, it would fair to say that we're only in the opening seconds, there's still along way to go before anyone can accurately assess which country has/had the best approach.

Well apart from the Fab Experts, they know.

How is listening to the government experts working out for the country

Since I've been on here I've learnt if you have any sort of opinion you are dismissed as a 'fab expert

Sort of invalidated the point of a forum if you ask me.

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By *oupleforxtrafunCouple over a year ago

Nottingham

"It's actually less than 9 000 deaths for Germany. Really abysmal indeed."
Do you seriously believe everything Germany says just the same as China do you believe exactly what they have said ???

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

"Are we sure of this 1.8 figure .

It sounds so high it should be headline news after yesterday's horrific incident of course.

All it really means is that there was an outbreak in a meat factory, not that it proves there is any need to keep healthy people under house arrest

My mistake I wrongly thought it was for the country or region. I did not know about the meat factory"

It’s a bit more than just a meat factory.

The Rki are monitoring localised outbreaks in 4 Districts/regions - which has steadily increased over a seven day rolling period - this is why they consider the R number to be as high.

It’s not enough to shut down the whole country, as it is localised - but if it doesn’t stabilise then I imagine there would need to be some restrictions.

That’s Germany .

For the U.K. - our R number is monitored and I would expect similar considerations and advice to be offered by SAGE if our number starts to move upwards when our restrictions are lifted .

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By *D835Man over a year ago

London

"If this was a sporting event, it would fair to say that we're only in the opening seconds, there's still along way to go before anyone can accurately assess which country has/had the best approach.

Well apart from the Fab Experts, they know.

How is listening to the government experts working out for the country

Since I've been on here I've learnt if you have any sort of opinion you are dismissed as a 'fab expert

Sort of invalidated the point of a forum if you ask me."

There isn’t a problem having an opinion and sharing your opinion on this forum, that’s what the forum are for.

The problem is: when people try to pass their opinions as “Fact”; in cases where they are not experts in the field they are talking about, nor can they quote any relevant, authentic or credible source for the information they are presenting.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Are we sure of this 1.8 figure .

It sounds so high it should be headline news after yesterday's horrific incident of course.

All it really means is that there was an outbreak in a meat factory, not that it proves there is any need to keep healthy people under house arrest

My mistake I wrongly thought it was for the country or region. I did not know about the meat factory

It’s a bit more than just a meat factory.

The Rki are monitoring localised outbreaks in 4 Districts/regions - which has steadily increased over a seven day rolling period - this is why they consider the R number to be as high.

It’s not enough to shut down the whole country, as it is localised - but if it doesn’t stabilise then I imagine there would need to be some restrictions.

That’s Germany .

For the U.K. - our R number is monitored and I would expect similar considerations and advice to be offered by SAGE if our number starts to move upwards when our restrictions are lifted ."

It's not though. For the whole of June, Germany has been averaging around 400 cases per day. The meat factory is over 1,000 cases, so more than 2 days worth solely attributed to 1 meat factory. Lifting restrictions is about people going shopping, going to gyms, doing sports etc. What on earth does that have to do with what happens in meat factories or care homes?

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

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"Are we sure of this 1.8 figure .

It sounds so high it should be headline news after yesterday's horrific incident of course.

All it really means is that there was an outbreak in a meat factory, not that it proves there is any need to keep healthy people under house arrest

My mistake I wrongly thought it was for the country or region. I did not know about the meat factory

It’s a bit more than just a meat factory.

The Rki are monitoring localised outbreaks in 4 Districts/regions - which has steadily increased over a seven day rolling period - this is why they consider the R number to be as high.

It’s not enough to shut down the whole country, as it is localised - but if it doesn’t stabilise then I imagine there would need to be some restrictions.

That’s Germany .

For the U.K. - our R number is monitored and I would expect similar considerations and advice to be offered by SAGE if our number starts to move upwards when our restrictions are lifted .

I haven’t said the meat factory isn’t a contributing factor.

The rki daily situation update report mentions three other outbreaks (4 in total) that are contributing factors to a higher reading. (The previous day it was 3 )

I think the point is that when the R number goes above 1 then action is required. At the moment the Germans appear to be dealing with this on a local level to where these outbreaks are.

If the number of localised incidences increases then it is at that point the R number has to be brought down by more wide spread restrictions.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"It's actually less than 9 000 deaths for Germany. Really abysmal indeed. Do you seriously believe everything Germany says just the same as China do you believe exactly what they have said ???"

So Germany is in the same league as China when it comes to communicate information.

Please tell me you’re joking! What do these countries have in common?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"It's actually less than 9 000 deaths for Germany. Really abysmal indeed. Do you seriously believe everything Germany says just the same as China do you believe exactly what they have said ???"

Do they have a history of lying?

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"It's actually less than 9 000 deaths for Germany. Really abysmal indeed. Do you seriously believe everything Germany says just the same as China do you believe exactly what they have said ???

Do they have a history of lying?"

The war etc...

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

I think the point is that when the R number goes above 1 then action is required.

This is the dangerous trap we are in. The urge to do something, no matter how ineffective or harmful. If R is spiking in meat factories, then 'we' need to do something in meat factories. You quarantine the sick and vulnerable, not the healthy.

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By *ebbie69Couple over a year ago

milton keynes

"If this was a sporting event, it would fair to say that we're only in the opening seconds, there's still along way to go before anyone can accurately assess which country has/had the best approach.

Well apart from the Fab Experts, they know.

How is listening to the government experts working out for the country

Since I've been on here I've learnt if you have any sort of opinion you are dismissed as a 'fab expert

Sort of invalidated the point of a forum if you ask me.

There isn’t a problem having an opinion and sharing your opinion on this forum, that’s what the forum are for.

it sometimes gets worse as they then insult others for holding a different opinion

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By *erry bull1Man over a year ago

doncaster

Germans are renowned for being economic with the truth

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

"It's actually less than 9 000 deaths for Germany. Really abysmal indeed. Do you seriously believe everything Germany says just the same as China do you believe exactly what they have said ???

Do they have a history of lying?"

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"If this was a sporting event, it would fair to say that we're only in the opening seconds, there's still along way to go before anyone can accurately assess which country has/had the best approach.

Well apart from the Fab Experts, they know.

How is listening to the government experts working out for the country

Since I've been on here I've learnt if you have any sort of opinion you are dismissed as a 'fab expert

Sort of invalidated the point of a forum if you ask me.

There isn’t a problem having an opinion and sharing your opinion on this forum, that’s what the forum are for.

Think if someone provides something as a 'fact' that can be easily shot down.

It's about having an opinion and the fact that people have different ones is the point of the forum.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Germans are renowned for being economic with the truth "

Are they?

Any more than us?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"It's actually less than 9 000 deaths for Germany. Really abysmal indeed. Do you seriously believe everything Germany says just the same as China do you believe exactly what they have said ???

Do they have a history of lying?

VW "

I recall there was some sort of VW scandal

Just dont see Germany being particularly worse than anyone else (us for example)

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

I think the point is that when the R number goes above 1 then action is required.

I expect any spikes are dealt with locally before a much wider set of restrictions would have to be reintroduced

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By *andlingswingersCouple over a year ago

Woodbridge

"It's actually less than 9 000 deaths for Germany. Really abysmal indeed. Do you seriously believe everything Germany says just the same as China do you believe exactly what they have said ???"

No, Germany is probably just saying they've had a big outbreak to get attention. They're so tired there of hearing the UK has the biggest outbreak, the most untraced cases, the highest fatality rate, the latest lockdown, the most farcical quarantine measures and they wanted some of the limelight too.

Obvious when you think about it....

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"It's actually less than 9 000 deaths for Germany. Really abysmal indeed. Do you seriously believe everything Germany says just the same as China do you believe exactly what they have said ???

Obvious when you think about it...."

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By *iger13Couple over a year ago

Cambridge

What a rubbish discussion- Gütersloher meat factory has over 1100 cases rest of country is very low, Hamburg ie is 0.02.... we have over 60000 additional deaths here, it’s time to respect them and not make silly remarks - by the way R number in New Zealand now is 2.5 counting in at 2 new cases- shows how much to read into that number .

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

"What a rubbish discussion- Gütersloher meat factory has over 1100 cases rest of country is very low, Hamburg ie is 0.02.... we have over 60000 additional deaths here, it’s time to respect them and not make silly remarks - by the way R number in New Zealand now is 2.5 counting in at 2 new cases- shows how much to read into that number . "

The Gutersloher outbreak is linked to an outbreak in Warendorf - hence the concern to localise and isolate it in both locations.

Outbreaks in Magdeburg and Berlin are also being highlighted

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"Germans are renowned for being economic with the truth "

Incredible to read this type of bullshit.

However it’s well known that the Brits are incredibly transparent. Our lot is so transparent that they count a pair of gloves as two PPE items. I’ll stop at one example because the list is endless in the last three months.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

"Germans are renowned for being economic with the truth

Incredible to read this type of bullshit.

Would you count a box of 100 gloves as being 50 pairs or 100 gloves as per the number on the side of the box ?

I don’t think the Germans are being dishonest about their covid numbers, despite the facts of the VAG emissions scandal highlighting a certain part of their automotive industry being very economical with the truth . This of course doesn’t mean everyone in Germany is dishonest.

Anyway .... gloves, 100 per box - count them as per box number, or 50 pairs?

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By *urocougarCouple over a year ago

watton

"Germans are renowned for being economic with the truth

Incredible to read this type of bullshit.

Would you count a box of 100 gloves as being 50 pairs or 100 gloves as per the number on the side of the box ?

Anyway .... gloves, 100 per box - count them as per box number, or 50 pairs? "

It’s 100 items _exy7 just nit picks everything the government does

Back in the Labour Party days days there would be just counted as 1 box so would be only 1 box missing in the stores when he gave them to his union mate for his anal probes

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By *hilMan over a year ago

HOUGHTON LE SPRING

They should be counted in pairs of gloves, i.e., one item of PPE you need both gloves for hand protection to be effective. Listed as separate items to inflate the figures and mislead the public.

Are gloves/ mittens connected together by a cord counted as two items? Do we now start counting each covering to each finger and thumb as a separate item of PPE for each digit.

Would any one count a pair of safety boots, ear plugs, or protective spectacles as two separate items?

Do you count the removable filter in a face mask and actual mask itself as two items?

Government obfuscation.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Germans are renowned for being economic with the truth

Incredible to read this type of bullshit.

Would you count a box of 100 gloves as being 50 pairs or 100 gloves as per the number on the side of the box ?

Anyway .... gloves, 100 per box - count them as per box number, or 50 pairs?

It’s 100 items _exy7 just nit picks everything the government does

Back in the Labour Party days days there would be just counted as 1 box so would be only 1 box missing in the stores when he gave them to his union mate for his anal probes

Rolls eyes.

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By *obka3Couple over a year ago

bournemouth

"They should be counted in pairs of gloves, i.e., one item of PPE you need both gloves for hand protection to be effective. Listed as separate items to inflate the figures and mislead the public.

Are gloves/ mittens connected together by a cord counted as two items? Do we now start counting each covering to each finger and thumb as a separate item of PPE for each digit.

Would any one count a pair of safety boots, ear plugs, or protective spectacles as two separate items?

Do you count the removable filter in a face mask and actual mask itself as two items?

Government obfuscation."

Doesnt matter what how you think they should be counted gloves used as ppe are sold by the box and all the boxes I have ever bought for many years are sold 100 per box, if you order gloves you order a set number not pairs, the nhs would order so many gloves and would report that number to the gov.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If this was a sporting event, it would fair to say that we're only in the opening seconds, there's still along way to go before anyone can accurately assess which country has/had the best approach.

I think most people would agree that Boris and his bunch of egotistical cronies have made an absolute balls up of this

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By *moothdickMan over a year ago

stoke

"If this was a sporting event, it would fair to say that we're only in the opening seconds, there's still along way to go before anyone can accurately assess which country has/had the best approach.

I think most people would agree that Boris and his bunch of egotistical cronies have made an absolute balls up of this"

I think he’s done ok.. as said above, this is a new thing to everyone...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If this was a sporting event, it would fair to say that we're only in the opening seconds, there's still along way to go before anyone can accurately assess which country has/had the best approach.

I think most people would agree that Boris and his bunch of egotistical cronies have made an absolute balls up of this"

I think he has done a good job. Far better job than sturgeon has that’s forsure

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If this was a sporting event, it would fair to say that we're only in the opening seconds, there's still along way to go before anyone can accurately assess which country has/had the best approach.

I think most people would agree that Boris and his bunch of egotistical cronies have made an absolute balls up of this

I think he’s done ok.. as said above, this is a new thing to everyone... "

It's a new thing for every country. Britain has the highest death rate per capita in the whole world. How is this a record to be "proud of" as the silly Estonian twat has mentioned

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Etonian

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If this was a sporting event, it would fair to say that we're only in the opening seconds, there's still along way to go before anyone can accurately assess which country has/had the best approach.

I think most people would agree that Boris and his bunch of egotistical cronies have made an absolute balls up of this

I think he has done a good job. Far better job than sturgeon has that’s forsure "

Yeah it's been OK. This is not a race, it's a marathon or is it a snickers. hmmmm not sure.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If this was a sporting event, it would fair to say that we're only in the opening seconds, there's still along way to go before anyone can accurately assess which country has/had the best approach.

I think most people would agree that Boris and his bunch of egotistical cronies have made an absolute balls up of this

I think he has done a good job. Far better job than sturgeon has that’s forsure

Yeah it's been OK. This is not a race, it's a marathon or is it a snickers. hmmmm not sure."

Tell that to the 40 odd thousands who have lost a love one (or more like 60,000)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Scotland having the highest death rate of any country in the world per head. Snp and sturgeon Scotland’s shame.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"If this was a sporting event, it would fair to say that we're only in the opening seconds, there's still along way to go before anyone can accurately assess which country has/had the best approach.

I think most people would agree that Boris and his bunch of egotistical cronies have made an absolute balls up of this

I think he has done a good job. Far better job than sturgeon has that’s forsure "

Really must look up the definition of a 'good job'

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"If this was a sporting event, it would fair to say that we're only in the opening seconds, there's still along way to go before anyone can accurately assess which country has/had the best approach.

I think most people would agree that Boris and his bunch of egotistical cronies have made an absolute balls up of this"

You would think so wouldnt you?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If this was a sporting event, it would fair to say that we're only in the opening seconds, there's still along way to go before anyone can accurately assess which country has/had the best approach.

I think most people would agree that Boris and his bunch of egotistical cronies have made an absolute balls up of this

I think he has done a good job. Far better job than sturgeon has that’s forsure

Really must look up the definition of a 'good job'"

You need to take off your hate filled glasses for the Tory party to do that first.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"If this was a sporting event, it would fair to say that we're only in the opening seconds, there's still along way to go before anyone can accurately assess which country has/had the best approach.

I think most people would agree that Boris and his bunch of egotistical cronies have made an absolute balls up of this

I think he has done a good job. Far better job than sturgeon has that’s forsure

Really must look up the definition of a 'good job'

You need to take off your hate filled glasses for the Tory party to do that first. "

Rightio.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If this was a sporting event, it would fair to say that we're only in the opening seconds, there's still along way to go before anyone can accurately assess which country has/had the best approach.

I think most people would agree that Boris and his bunch of egotistical cronies have made an absolute balls up of this

I think he has done a good job. Far better job than sturgeon has that’s forsure

Really must look up the definition of a 'good job'"

Scottish government has not been great either but at least she gives out a clearer message than bumbling Boris, and an excuse can be made that under the jurisdiction of bummer Boris he gave the call for lockdown far to late for the UK and responsible fot thousands of deaths which could easily have been prevented

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If this was a sporting event, it would fair to say that we're only in the opening seconds, there's still along way to go before anyone can accurately assess which country has/had the best approach.

I think most people would agree that Boris and his bunch of egotistical cronies have made an absolute balls up of this

I think he has done a good job. Far better job than sturgeon has that’s forsure

Really must look up the definition of a 'good job'

Clear message??? So if it was that clear why had Scotland got the most deaths per head than the rest of the world?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If this was a sporting event, it would fair to say that we're only in the opening seconds, there's still along way to go before anyone can accurately assess which country has/had the best approach.

I think most people would agree that Boris and his bunch of egotistical cronies have made an absolute balls up of this

I think he has done a good job. Far better job than sturgeon has that’s forsure

Really must look up the definition of a 'good job'

Clear message??? So if it was that clear why had Scotland got the most deaths per head than the rest of the world? "

Do they, I thought that's was the UKs prize, though whoever it is it doesn't detract from the fact that Boris and his mates have made an absolute cunt of this.

LATE INTO LOCKDOWN

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GIVING OUT CONFLICTING MESSAGES TO THE PUBLIC WHILE CLOWN BORIS BACKING THE OTHER CLOWN CUMMINGS

an absolute fiasco and I'm not going to debate who is worse Sturgeon or the wankhead. It is disrespectful to the family's of the dead. Most of whom are on Boris's watch

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By *ntelligent Gent.Man over a year ago

.....

2.79 in Germany

Second waves in Iran and China

Not even autumn yet. Bloody hell.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"If this was a sporting event, it would fair to say that we're only in the opening seconds, there's still along way to go before anyone can accurately assess which country has/had the best approach.

I think most people would agree that Boris and his bunch of egotistical cronies have made an absolute balls up of this

I think he has done a good job. Far better job than sturgeon has that’s forsure

Really must look up the definition of a 'good job'

Clear message??? So if it was that clear why had Scotland got the most deaths per head than the rest of the world?

Do they, I thought that's was the UKs prize, though whoever it is it doesn't detract from the fact that Boris and his mates have made an absolute cunt of this.

LATE INTO LOCKDOWN

TRACK AND TRACE FARCE

PPE EQUIPMENT DISGRACE

DECIDES TO CLOSE ITS BORDER OVER 3 MONTHS TOO LATE

TRANSFERED PATIENTS FROM HOSPITALS INTO CARE HOMES CAUSING THOUSANDS OF DEATHS

GIVING OUT CONFLICTING MESSAGES TO THE PUBLIC WHILE CLOWN BORIS BACKING THE OTHER CLOWN CUMMINGS

an absolute fiasco and I'm not going to debate who is worse Sturgeon or the wankhead. It is disrespectful to the family's of the dead. Most of whom are on Boris's watch

Yeah I've had a look at cant see anything online about it.

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By *vbride1963TV/TS over a year ago

E.K . Glasgow

"Scotland having the highest death rate of any country in the world per head. Snp and sturgeon Scotland’s shame. "

Can’t find a report for it do you have a link ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I know the answer. Let's have a riot!!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Scotland having the highest death rate of any country in the world per head. Snp and sturgeon Scotland’s shame.

Can’t find a report for it do you have a link ? "

Would be easier to find a liks to Boris is an ass haha!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Scotland having the highest death rate of any country in the world per head. Snp and sturgeon Scotland’s shame.

Can’t find a report for it do you have a link ?

Would be easier to find a liks to Boris is an ass haha!! "

Or the snp are Scotland’s shame. That’s an easy link to find.

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By *yn drwgMan over a year ago

Camarthen

"If this was a sporting event, it would fair to say that we're only in the opening seconds, there's still along way to go before anyone can accurately assess which country has/had the best approach.

I think most people would agree that Boris and his bunch of egotistical cronies have made an absolute balls up of this

I think he has done a good job. Far better job than sturgeon has that’s forsure

Really must look up the definition of a 'good job'

Clear message??? So if it was that clear why had Scotland got the most deaths per head than the rest of the world?

Do they, I thought that's was the UKs prize, though whoever it is it doesn't detract from the fact that Boris and his mates have made an absolute cunt of this.

LATE INTO LOCKDOWN

TRACK AND TRACE FARCE

PPE EQUIPMENT DISGRACE

DECIDES TO CLOSE ITS BORDER OVER 3 MONTHS TOO LATE

TRANSFERED PATIENTS FROM HOSPITALS INTO CARE HOMES CAUSING THOUSANDS OF DEATHS

GIVING OUT CONFLICTING MESSAGES TO THE PUBLIC WHILE CLOWN BORIS BACKING THE OTHER CLOWN CUMMINGS

an absolute fiasco and I'm not going to debate who is worse Sturgeon or the wankhead. It is disrespectful to the family's of the dead. Most of whom are on Boris's watch

Don't you think it just prolongs the inevitable if you hide away.!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There is a lesson from Germany be very wary coming out of lockdown.They have come out to quick in my view as we are doing"

Similar with Floroda,relaced then spiked, the resturaunts etc had to close again i believe.

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By *aria_dreamgirlTV/TS over a year ago

stockport

And they always beat us on penalty shootouts.

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By *aul happyMan over a year ago

tilgate crawley

its not a penalty shootout ………...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Scotland having the highest death rate of any country in the world per head. Snp and sturgeon Scotland’s shame. "

Do we?

Who told you that, the Daily mail? The Tory party?

Links please.

Show your source, or it is simply hear say.

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"There is a lesson from Germany be very wary coming out of lockdown.They have come out to quick in my view as we are doing

I agree with the wary coming out of lockdown. Is it too early? I don’t think so .

The German r number spike is down to localised increases - not nationally.

There will be similar spikes in the U.K.

we should monitor how Germany deal with this spike above R1."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Scotland having the highest death rate of any country in the world per head. Snp and sturgeon Scotland’s shame.

Do we?

Who told you that, the Daily mail? The Tory party?

Links please.

Show your source, or it is simply hear say.

Look it up, dead easy to find on ONS.

Snp Scotland’s shame

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By *acreadCouple over a year ago

central scotland

"Scotland having the highest death rate of any country in the world per head. Snp and sturgeon Scotland’s shame. "
Did Boris give you those figures Scotland does not even have the highest death rate per head in the UK never mind the world, I think you made that one up.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Scotland having the highest death rate of any country in the world per head. Snp and sturgeon Scotland’s shame.

Do we?

Who told you that, the Daily mail? The Tory party?

Links please.

Show your source, or it is simply hear say.

Look it up, dead easy to find on ONS.

Snp Scotland’s shame "

No Scotland shame was being conned out of taking Indy from WM.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"2.79 in Germany

Second waves in Iran and China

Not even autumn yet. Bloody hell. "

There is not a second wave in china. Iran, possibly but it's hard to tell because they've done fuck all testing.

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By *acreadCouple over a year ago

central scotland

"If this was a sporting event, it would fair to say that we're only in the opening seconds, there's still along way to go before anyone can accurately assess which country has/had the best approach.

I think most people would agree that Boris and his bunch of egotistical cronies have made an absolute balls up of this

I think he has done a good job. Far better job than sturgeon has that’s forsure

Really must look up the definition of a 'good job'

You need to take off your hate filled glasses for the Tory party to do that first. "
You need to take the rose tinted glasses for the Tory party off the facts and figures are there so you don't really have to use your own.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Scotland having the highest death rate of any country in the world per head. Snp and sturgeon Scotland’s shame. Did Boris give you those figures Scotland does not even have the highest death rate per head in the UK never mind the world, I think you made that one up."

#FakeNews.

#SnpHateBait

Always to be expected. And i dont even vote SNP. Haha.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Scotland having the highest death rate of any country in the world per head. Snp and sturgeon Scotland’s shame.

Do we?

Who told you that, the Daily mail? The Tory party?

Links please.

Show your source, or it is simply hear say.

Look it up, dead easy to find on ONS.

Snp Scotland’s shame

No Scotland shame was being conned out of taking Indy from WM."

Conned? There was a once in a generation vote (the slogan used by snp) the vote came back as a no.

No one was conned.

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By *yn drwgMan over a year ago

Camarthen

"If this was a sporting event, it would fair to say that we're only in the opening seconds, there's still along way to go before anyone can accurately assess which country has/had the best approach.

I think most people would agree that Boris and his bunch of egotistical cronies have made an absolute balls up of this

I think he has done a good job. Far better job than sturgeon has that’s forsure

Really must look up the definition of a 'good job'

You need to take off your hate filled glasses for the Tory party to do that first. You need to take the rose tinted glasses for the Tory party off the facts and figures are there so you don't really have to use your own.

Likewise in Wales the Tories haven't been running bus for a long time.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

#FakeNews.

#SnpHateBait

Always to be expected. And i dont even vote SNP. Haha. "

I did tell you where to find it. Not fake but cheers for showing us you’re a snp voter. Haha good laugh

Scotland shame

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By *tarcatcher2Man over a year ago

ALLOA

Fab must be right because they know people on here are meeting and they are letting them carry on.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Scotland having the highest death rate of any country in the world per head. Snp and sturgeon Scotland’s shame.

Do we?

Who told you that, the Daily mail? The Tory party?

Links please.

Show your source, or it is simply hear say.

Look it up, dead easy to find on ONS.

Snp Scotland’s shame

No Scotland shame was being conned out of taking Indy from WM.

Conned? There was a once in a generation vote (the slogan used by snp) the vote came back as a no.

No one was conned. "

Not going to drag this in political debate. I agree to disagree with you.

No more responses from me.

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By *yn drwgMan over a year ago

Camarthen

"If this was a sporting event, it would fair to say that we're only in the opening seconds, there's still along way to go before anyone can accurately assess which country has/had the best approach.

I think most people would agree that Boris and his bunch of egotistical cronies have made an absolute balls up of this

I think he has done a good job. Far better job than sturgeon has that’s forsure

Really must look up the definition of a 'good job'

Likewise in Wales the Tories haven't been running bus for a long time. "

Us.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Scotland having the highest death rate of any country in the world per head. Snp and sturgeon Scotland’s shame.

Do we?

Who told you that, the Daily mail? The Tory party?

Links please.

Show your source, or it is simply hear say.

Look it up, dead easy to find on ONS.

Snp Scotland’s shame

No Scotland shame was being conned out of taking Indy from WM.

Conned? There was a once in a generation vote (the slogan used by snp) the vote came back as a no.

No one was conned.

Not going to drag this in political debate. I agree to disagree with you.

No more responses from me. "

Okay if you say so.

Snp voters and political debate in the same sentence?!? That’s a first!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

LATE INTO LOCKDOWN

TRACK AND TRACE FARCE

PPE EQUIPMENT DISGRACE

DECIDES TO CLOSE ITS BORDER OVER 3 MONTHS TOO LATE

TRANSFERED PATIENTS FROM HOSPITALS INTO CARE HOMES CAUSING THOUSANDS OF DEATHS

GIVING OUT CONFLICTING MESSAGES TO THE PUBLIC WHILE CLOWN BORIS BACKING THE OTHER CLOWN CUMMINGS

That is what Boris and his cronies are CLOWNS

Who are making the UK and England in particular a laughing stock

There ain't no Great in Britain any more

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By *yn drwgMan over a year ago

Camarthen

"LATE INTO LOCKDOWN

TRACK AND TRACE FARCE

PPE EQUIPMENT DISGRACE

DECIDES TO CLOSE ITS BORDER OVER 3 MONTHS TOO LATE

TRANSFERED PATIENTS FROM HOSPITALS INTO CARE HOMES CAUSING THOUSANDS OF DEATHS

GIVING OUT CONFLICTING MESSAGES TO THE PUBLIC WHILE CLOWN BORIS BACKING THE OTHER CLOWN CUMMINGS

That is what Boris and his cronies are CLOWNS

Who are making the UK and England in particular a laughing stock

There ain't no Great in Britain any more"

Are you happy for your country to make decisions separately from the rest of UK after lockdown?

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By *acreadCouple over a year ago

central scotland

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"LATE INTO LOCKDOWN

TRACK AND TRACE FARCE

PPE EQUIPMENT DISGRACE

DECIDES TO CLOSE ITS BORDER OVER 3 MONTHS TOO LATE

TRANSFERED PATIENTS FROM HOSPITALS INTO CARE HOMES CAUSING THOUSANDS OF DEATHS

GIVING OUT CONFLICTING MESSAGES TO THE PUBLIC WHILE CLOWN BORIS BACKING THE OTHER CLOWN CUMMINGS

That is what Boris and his cronies are CLOWNS

Who are making the UK and England in particular a laughing stock

There ain't no Great in Britain any more

Are you happy for your country to make decisions separately from the rest of UK after lockdown?"

More than happy for Sturgeon to make decisions, much more trustworthy and straightforward than worzel gummidge is

At the last election the T May one during a leaders debate she came out on top for who the public (a UK poll where the bulk taking part would no doubt be English) thought would make the best leader.

Just a bit of trivia to dampen your rose coloured tory specs ha!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"LATE INTO LOCKDOWN

TRACK AND TRACE FARCE

PPE EQUIPMENT DISGRACE

DECIDES TO CLOSE ITS BORDER OVER 3 MONTHS TOO LATE

TRANSFERED PATIENTS FROM HOSPITALS INTO CARE HOMES CAUSING THOUSANDS OF DEATHS

GIVING OUT CONFLICTING MESSAGES TO THE PUBLIC WHILE CLOWN BORIS BACKING THE OTHER CLOWN CUMMINGS

That is what Boris and his cronies are CLOWNS

Who are making the UK and England in particular a laughing stock

There ain't no Great in Britain any more

Are you happy for your country to make decisions separately from the rest of UK after lockdown?"

Make all decisions seperate from WM. 100% i feel bad that the UK has such piss poor Government. It is a total shame.

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By *acreadCouple over a year ago

central scotland

#FakeNews.

#SnpHateBait

Always to be expected. And i dont even vote SNP. Haha.

I did tell you where to find it. Not fake but cheers for showing us you’re a snp voter. Haha good laugh

Scotland shame "
It's very easy to find and Belgium has the highest followed by the UK England has a much higher death toll per head than Scotland but don't bother looking as you will find something you don't want to see. and if you do want to look

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By *yn drwgMan over a year ago

Camarthen

"LATE INTO LOCKDOWN

TRACK AND TRACE FARCE

PPE EQUIPMENT DISGRACE

DECIDES TO CLOSE ITS BORDER OVER 3 MONTHS TOO LATE

TRANSFERED PATIENTS FROM HOSPITALS INTO CARE HOMES CAUSING THOUSANDS OF DEATHS

GIVING OUT CONFLICTING MESSAGES TO THE PUBLIC WHILE CLOWN BORIS BACKING THE OTHER CLOWN CUMMINGS

That is what Boris and his cronies are CLOWNS

Who are making the UK and England in particular a laughing stock

There ain't no Great in Britain any more

Are you happy for your country to make decisions separately from the rest of UK after lockdown?

More than happy for Sturgeon to make decisions, much more trustworthy and straightforward than worzel gummidge is

At the last election the T May one during a leaders debate she came out on top for who the public (a UK poll where the bulk taking part would no doubt be English) thought would make the best leader.

Just a bit of trivia to dampen your rose coloured tory specs ha!! "

I am happy for the Welsh government to make its own decisions, I don't agree with a lot of things but I can see that keeping the travel ban stops the majority from flooding in from across the border to our beautiful country.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There is a travel ban on UK citizens entering quite a few countries, not wanted all down to bungling Boris

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

#FakeNews.

#SnpHateBait

Always to be expected. And i dont even vote SNP. Haha.

I did tell you where to find it. Not fake but cheers for showing us you’re a snp voter. Haha good laugh

Scotland shame It's very easy to find and Belgium has the highest followed by the UK England has a much higher death toll per head than Scotland but don't bother looking as you will find something you don't want to see. and if you do want to look"

Scotland has the highest in the world per head. As I’ve had look up ONS. It’s there for all to see. The media have reported it over and over and over again. I take it all snp voters have missed it?!?!

It’s reported and the facts are on line for all to read. I’m having a hard time understanding what part you don’t get?

Or is it just the same old snp trick, tell everyone it’s a lie and others will follow?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There is a travel ban on UK citizens entering quite a few countries, not wanted all down to bungling Boris "

Is there? Not a travel ban for Spain or anywhere in the eu.

Spain have open arms for the British

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Did I mention Spain mmmmmm

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You said many, the eu is one of them. So who has said the Uk can’t come to their country?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Only a small portion of European countries are currently letting travellers from the UK visit.

Newspaper exert from 17 June

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And Spain, Italy, Portugal wouldn't let you in unless their economy depended on it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

All down to Boris and his incompetent lot, it would be funny if only there weren't so many deaths caused by their incompetence

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

That’s a pack of lies. Other than portugal (who have asked to keep their country closed till the 1st of July) the eu have not told the Uk not to enter

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And Spain, Italy, Portugal wouldn't let you in unless their economy depended on it"

Hahaha what a load of nonsense.

Did you find this in the snp handbook. 100% bull shit good one

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Must have all changed since 17 June then

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By *yn drwgMan over a year ago

Camarthen

"There is a travel ban on UK citizens entering quite a few countries, not wanted all down to bungling Boris "

Mark draitford is the most boring uncorismatic person ever to run a country, if he is in charge of bringing trade into Wales god help us as in sure they would die of boredom listening to him.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And Spain, Italy, Portugal wouldn't let you in unless their economy depended on it

Hahaha what a load of nonsense.

Did you find this in the snp handbook. 100% bull shit good one "

I am sure they wouldn't I don't think they like the union Jack brigade at the best of times, but needs must haha

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

First of all it’s the union flag. Only a jack when it’s on a boat. As for the rest of your post. It makes as much sense and the snp white paper

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You said many, the eu is one of them. So who has said the Uk can’t come to their country?

Eu is not a country, do you actually think the European Union, is one country?

What ìs ONS i want to see the source you git this lie from.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You said many, the eu is one of them. So who has said the Uk can’t come to their country?

Eu is not a country, do you actually think the European Union, is one country?

What ìs ONS i want to see the source you git this lie from."

Oh boy. Few things to clear up. The eu are the controlling body. That’s why the EU told all country’s to open their borders.

If you don’t know what the ONS is you may as well give up now. That’s the place were we all gets the information off. That’s why it’s called office of national statistics.

Google is a wonderful place to start

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"First of all it’s the union flag. Only a jack when it’s on a boat. As for the rest of your post. It makes as much sense and the snp white paper "

I wouldn't know I haven't read the white paper just as I am sure you haven't

The Spanish will be recoiling in horror as the getyertitsoutfortheboys brigade take over their streets with d*unken oblivian to social distancing

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You said many, the eu is one of them. So who has said the Uk can’t come to their country?

Eu is not a country, do you actually think the European Union, is one country?

What ìs ONS i want to see the source you git this lie from.

Oh boy. Few things to clear up. The eu are the controlling body. That’s why the EU told all country’s to open their borders.

If you don’t know what the ONS is you may as well give up now. That’s the place were we all gets the information off. That’s why it’s called office of national statistics.

Google is a wonderful place to start "

You said it was a country not me.

I see so many abbreviations it gets somewhat confusing.

I shall look. Doubt i will find what you claim.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have not read the full white paper, but sadly I spent a whole afternoon reading it. Unlike others I read both side of opinions.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have not read the full white paper, but sadly I spent a whole afternoon reading it. Unlike others I read both side of opinions. "

Good for you and since you are that well informed, tell me other than the furlough scheme. Name one thing, ONE THING that Boris has got right with this pandemic?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You said many, the eu is one of them. So who has said the Uk can’t come to their country?

Eu is not a country, do you actually think the European Union, is one country?

What ìs ONS i want to see the source you git this lie from.

Oh boy. Few things to clear up. The eu are the controlling body. That’s why the EU told all country’s to open their borders.

If you don’t know what the ONS is you may as well give up now. That’s the place were we all gets the information off. That’s why it’s called office of national statistics.

Google is a wonderful place to start

You said it was a country not me.

I see so many abbreviations it gets somewhat confusing.

I shall look. Doubt i will find what you claim. "

I feel my IQ getting lower reading your posts.

I’ll try again the EU is the controlling body. They tell all the countries in the EU what to do. So as I’ve said before the EU have NOT banned the Uk from traveling. I’m not sure what is hard to understand!

If you can’t find the information I’ve said you, you simply can’t read. It’s there in black and white for all to read.

On that note, I’m off to get some sleep. Good night all. Nothing personal I’m fed up reading the same shit off the same people on here that hate everything the British government do. Maybe they are not perfect. But not one country in the world has done everything correctly.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have not read the full white paper, but sadly I spent a whole afternoon reading it. Unlike others I read both side of opinions.

Good for you and since you are that well informed, tell me other than the furlough scheme. Name one thing, ONE THING that Boris has got right with this pandemic? "

I f ont actually think he's made one decision, they are all looking for answers of whitty and co.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have not read the full white paper, but sadly I spent a whole afternoon reading it. Unlike others I read both side of opinions.

Good for you and since you are that well informed, tell me other than the furlough scheme. Name one thing, ONE THING that Boris has got right with this pandemic?

I f ont actually think he's made one decision, they are all looking for answers of whitty and co. "

That is a pretty sad indictment if that is the case. He is after Al the prime minister and supposed to be leading the country

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You said many, the eu is one of them. So who has said the Uk can’t come to their country?

Eu is not a country, do you actually think the European Union, is one country?

What ìs ONS i want to see the source you git this lie from.

Oh boy. Few things to clear up. The eu are the controlling body. That’s why the EU told all country’s to open their borders.

If you don’t know what the ONS is you may as well give up now. That’s the place were we all gets the information off. That’s why it’s called office of national statistics.

Google is a wonderful place to start

You said it was a country not me.

I see so many abbreviations it gets somewhat confusing.

I shall look. Doubt i will find what you claim.

I feel my IQ getting lower reading your posts.

If you can’t find the information I’ve said you, you simply can’t read. It’s there in black and white for all to read.

New zealand seemed to do not too bad.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have not read the full white paper, but sadly I spent a whole afternoon reading it. Unlike others I read both side of opinions.

Good for you and since you are that well informed, tell me other than the furlough scheme. Name one thing, ONE THING that Boris has got right with this pandemic?

I f ont actually think he's made one decision, they are all looking for answers of whitty and co.

That is a pretty sad indictment if that is the case. He is after Al the prime minister and supposed to be leading the country"

He is a joke leader, like George W. The powers that be put him thw place just so we know we are pawns in a game.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And I will post again these are all Boris decisions to Britain's shame

LATE INTO LOCKDOWN

TRACK AND TRACE FARCE

PPE EQUIPMENT DISGRACE

DECIDES TO CLOSE ITS BORDER OVER 3 MONTHS TOO LATE

TRANSFERED PATIENTS FROM HOSPITALS INTO CARE HOMES CAUSING THOUSANDS OF DEATHS

GIVING OUT CONFLICTING MESSAGES TO THE PUBLIC WHILE CLOWN BORIS BACKING THE OTHER CLOWN CUMMINGS

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have not read the full white paper, but sadly I spent a whole afternoon reading it. Unlike others I read both side of opinions.

Good for you and since you are that well informed, tell me other than the furlough scheme. Name one thing, ONE THING that Boris has got right with this pandemic? "

So the biggest thing the UK government have done is furlough. But I can’t say that because you don’t want to talk about something good they have done?!?!

Okay the best thing outside of that is putting money into finding drugs to help with this virus. That’s the reason why every country want wants the UK and Oxford Uni to supply them with the vaccine they are trying to come up with.

That’s due to the Uk government giving Oxford the cash they needed and when they needed it!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No different than any other country have being doing they have all been funding the finding of a vaccine and medicine. Good that Oxford had the expertise to come up with a drug.

Nothing at all to do with Boris.

Name ONE THING if you can that he has done right?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have not read the full white paper, but sadly I spent a whole afternoon reading it. Unlike others I read both side of opinions.

Good for you and since you are that well informed, tell me other than the furlough scheme. Name one thing, ONE THING that Boris has got right with this pandemic?

I f ont actually think he's made one decision, they are all looking for answers of whitty and co.

That is a pretty sad indictment if that is the case. He is after Al the prime minister and supposed to be leading the country"

He's a bumbling fool,he looks for answers off anybody,the chancellor is far more positive

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By *ymph and ManicCouple over a year ago

North East

Germany don’t post or calculate deaths /tests/results in the same way we do. There total is way past 10,000 ..the relative “spike” is localised as others have said ..we will have our spike as will other countries ...but let’s not proclaim the “German” way was /is the way to go ... we’ve got to deal with our way as that’s what we are in ... look on positive side ffs.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"No different than any other country have being doing they have all been funding the finding of a vaccine and medicine. Good that Oxford had the expertise to come up with a drug.

Nothing at all to do with Boris.

Name ONE THING if you can that he has done right? "

Something, anything??

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By *arl17Man over a year ago

Central Portugal

"No different than any other country have being doing they have all been funding the finding of a vaccine and medicine. Good that Oxford had the expertise to come up with a drug.

Nothing at all to do with Boris.

Name ONE THING if you can that he has done right?

Something, anything?? "

Nope, idiots that were telling us how not to catch it all caught it ffs

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I have not read the full white paper, but sadly I spent a whole afternoon reading it. Unlike others I read both side of opinions.

Good for you and since you are that well informed, tell me other than the furlough scheme. Name one thing, ONE THING that Boris has got right with this pandemic?

So the biggest thing the UK government have done is furlough. But I can’t say that because you don’t want to talk about something good they have done?!?!

That’s due to the Uk government giving Oxford the cash they needed and when they needed it!! "
No different than any other country have being doing they have all been funding the finding of a vaccine and medicine. Good that Oxford had the expertise to come up with a drug.

Nothing at all to do with Boris.

Name ONE THING if you can that he has done right? "

Something, anything??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I thought not, because the bumbling fool hasn't

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I thought not, because the bumbling fool hasn't "

Correct

what's the answer?

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By *ait88Man over a year ago

Plymouth

To return to the main topic: Does anyone know the averages A & E admission waiting time for the best NHS hospital before the epidemic, and the same for the worst German hospital?

Failing that, how did the waiting times for say, a mastectomy compare? The best NHS hospital compared with the worst German hospital, pre-pandemic, again.

Please quote references.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Their 'R" rate is now 1.8...."

This has been covered extensively.

The national figure is skewed heavily by local outbreaks.

The point is that Germany has a very comprehensive test, track and trace system in place.

The R number is meaningful if you are actually gathering a significant amount of data.

We know Trump's position on this. Don't test means there's no problem.

In Germany they come to your home if you report symptoms and they test you. Whilst waiting for results your contacts are asked to self isolate. If the test is negative all fine. If not they test contacts etc.

We are saying that we are test, tracking and tracing.

Perhaps some people think that we are doing so effectively, but I have no faith whatsoever that we are.

Consequently our R number is far more of an approximation.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

#FakeNews.

#SnpHateBait

Always to be expected. And i dont even vote SNP. Haha.

I did tell you where to find it. Not fake but cheers for showing us you’re a snp voter. Haha good laugh

It’s reported and the facts are on line for all to read. I’m having a hard time understanding what part you don’t get?

Or is it just the same old snp trick, tell everyone it’s a lie and others will follow? "

Maybe you could provide some actual,you know,evidence of this at some point?

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

And now it's . . .

2.88 . . .

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-germanys-r-number-rockets-again-from-1-79-to-2-88-12012143

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"I have not read the full white paper, but sadly I spent a whole afternoon reading it. Unlike others I read both side of opinions.

Good for you and since you are that well informed, tell me other than the furlough scheme. Name one thing, ONE THING that Boris has got right with this pandemic?

So the biggest thing the UK government have done is furlough. But I can’t say that because you don’t want to talk about something good they have done?!?!

That’s due to the Uk government giving Oxford the cash they needed and when they needed it!! "

We are the only country in the world doing scientific research into finding a cure?

Priceless

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

"And now it's . . .

2.88 . . .

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-germanys-r-number-rockets-again-from-1-79-to-2-88-12012143

Yikes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yeah stupid or what

He was trying to defend the indefensible. It is blatantly clear to any reasonable person that this government is out of their depth and clueless. They have been found out time and time again, from Kay Betley interviewing a squirming Michael Gove on the Cummings fiasco, from Gavin Williamsons farsical handling off schools (private pike they dubbed him at the MOD), Home Secretary joke figure Dominic Rab thinking that 'taking the knee' was something from the Games of Thrones, Bumbling Boris spouting shite that he is proud of his record, and the list is endless of minister fuckwits mistakes and gaffs. If this wasn't such a serious matter you would think its a comedy.

A bunch of inept bungling fuckwits the lot of them.

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

"Scotland having the highest death rate of any country in the world per head. Snp and sturgeon Scotland’s shame. "

Possibly diet and underlying health ?

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

"Scotland having the highest death rate of any country in the world per head. Snp and sturgeon Scotland’s shame.

Possibly diet and underlying health ?"

And there was 'Nicky Queen of Scots' telling Scotland and the World that they were doing the right thing and going slowly unlike England . . . yadda yadda yadda . . .

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By *otlovefun42Couple over a year ago

Costa Blanca Spain...

"Their 'R" rate is now 1.8....

This has been covered extensively.

The national figure is skewed heavily by local outbreaks.

The point is that Germany has a very comprehensive test, track and trace system in place.

The R number is meaningful if you are actually gathering a significant amount of data.

We know Trump's position on this. Don't test means there's no problem.

We are saying that we are test, tracking and tracing.

Perhaps some people think that we are doing so effectively, but I have no faith whatsoever that we are.

Consequently our R number is far more of an approximation."

Rare I know, but I actually agree with you on that one.

From someone who is actually in Germany.

The R number here has been heavily skewed by less than a handful of very localised outbreaks.

One in particular was in a meat processing factory near Hanover where over 1300 out of over 6000 employees have tested positive. Latest count on this mornings radio but still ongoing.

Most of this has been put down to the workforce being mostly eastern European. Many went back to their home countries to visit family over a holiday weekend which coincided with the relaxation of border controls a couple of weeks ago.

The big spike of infections came bang in the middle of the incubation period from that weekend.

Away from these localised pockets Germany's infection rate is still very low. Our town for example has one active case from a population of over 70,000. Our district has just under 50 from around half a million.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

"Their 'R" rate is now 1.8....

This has been covered extensively.

The national figure is skewed heavily by local outbreaks.

The point is that Germany has a very comprehensive test, track and trace system in place.

The R number is meaningful if you are actually gathering a significant amount of data.

We know Trump's position on this. Don't test means there's no problem.

We are saying that we are test, tracking and tracing.

Perhaps some people think that we are doing so effectively, but I have no faith whatsoever that we are.

Consequently our R number is far more of an approximation.

Rare I know, but I actually agree with you on that one.

From someone who is actually in Germany.

The R number here has been heavily skewed by less than a handful of very localised outbreaks.

One in particular was in a meat processing factory near Hanover where over 1300 out of over 6000 employees have tested positive. Latest count on this mornings radio but still ongoing.

The big spike of infections came bang in the middle of the incubation period from that weekend.

Sadly you will have to suffer the wrath of generalised media reporting - just like many here decide that if it goes up in one single place it must be because of all of those who went to the beach 6 weeks ago!

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Imagine having a leader who was decisive,honest able to answer questions and could actually string a sentence together.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Scotland having the highest death rate of any country in the world per head. Snp and sturgeon Scotland’s shame.

Possibly diet and underlying health ?

And there was 'Nicky Queen of Scots' telling Scotland and the World that they were doing the right thing and going slowly unlike England . . . yadda yadda yadda . . .

"
you should get your facts right. The unwelcome record of most deaths per capita is England's, oh sorry the UKs

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By *estrianguyMan over a year ago

chester

Anyone who thought this section was appropriate for a swinging website what a laugh

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By *arkb73Man over a year ago

Cheshire/Staffs

"Anyone who thought this section was appropriate for a swinging website what a laugh"

It is absolutely bizarre I agree

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"Their 'R" rate is now 1.8....

This has been covered extensively.

The national figure is skewed heavily by local outbreaks.

The point is that Germany has a very comprehensive test, track and trace system in place.

The R number is meaningful if you are actually gathering a significant amount of data.

We know Trump's position on this. Don't test means there's no problem.

We are saying that we are test, tracking and tracing.

Perhaps some people think that we are doing so effectively, but I have no faith whatsoever that we are.

Consequently our R number is far more of an approximation.

Rare I know, but I actually agree with you on that one.

From someone who is actually in Germany.

The R number here has been heavily skewed by less than a handful of very localised outbreaks.

One in particular was in a meat processing factory near Hanover where over 1300 out of over 6000 employees have tested positive. Latest count on this mornings radio but still ongoing.

The big spike of infections came bang in the middle of the incubation period from that weekend.

Part of the point I hoped to bring out in discussion is that the R number is bollocks. It's now 2.88 in Germany....due to a couple of isolated outbreaks.

ONS have been doing large scale testing of random population in order to estimate the total infections in the population.

In last 2 weeks dropped from 0.24% of population to 0.06. Down by a factor of 4 (suggesting an R rate of 0.5) but we are told at briefings it remains between 0.7 and 0.9.....go figure.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Scotland having the highest death rate of any country in the world per head. Snp and sturgeon Scotland’s shame.

Possibly diet and underlying health ?

And there was 'Nicky Queen of Scots' telling Scotland and the World that they were doing the right thing and going slowly unlike England . . . yadda yadda yadda . . .

It’s a fact, also a fact the care home in Scotland is a joke. But the snp voters don’t want to listen. They come on here and talk shit and make up lies.

Funny the voters are just like the whole party hahah

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Scotland having the highest death rate of any country in the world per head. Snp and sturgeon Scotland’s shame.

Possibly diet and underlying health ?

And there was 'Nicky Queen of Scots' telling Scotland and the World that they were doing the right thing and going slowly unlike England . . . yadda yadda yadda . . .

you should get your facts right. The unwelcome record of most deaths per capita is England's, oh sorry the UKs"

ONS don’t back that lie up.....

Snp Scotland shame

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By *andy 1Couple over a year ago

northeast

"Shhhhh the fab experts keep telling us how Germany have done everything right and we have done everything wrong.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Their 'R" rate is now 1.8....

This has been covered extensively.

The national figure is skewed heavily by local outbreaks.

The point is that Germany has a very comprehensive test, track and trace system in place.

The R number is meaningful if you are actually gathering a significant amount of data.

We know Trump's position on this. Don't test means there's no problem.

We are saying that we are test, tracking and tracing.

Perhaps some people think that we are doing so effectively, but I have no faith whatsoever that we are.

Consequently our R number is far more of an approximation.

Rare I know, but I actually agree with you on that one.

From someone who is actually in Germany.

The R number here has been heavily skewed by less than a handful of very localised outbreaks.

One in particular was in a meat processing factory near Hanover where over 1300 out of over 6000 employees have tested positive. Latest count on this mornings radio but still ongoing.

The big spike of infections came bang in the middle of the incubation period from that weekend.

Part of the point I hoped to bring out in discussion is that the R number is bollocks. It's now 2.88 in Germany....due to a couple of isolated outbreaks.

ONS have been doing large scale testing of random population in order to estimate the total infections in the population.

In last 2 weeks dropped from 0.24% of population to 0.06. Down by a factor of 4 (suggesting an R rate of 0.5) but we are told at briefings it remains between 0.7 and 0.9.....go figure."

The "R number is bollocks"?

Really? It's not the way that the uninformed use the R number?

The Office for National Statistics does not carry out testing.

The testing that is carried out is also not large scale.

It is very unreliable in the UK hence the wide range of uncertainty which you have ignored.

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Scotland having the highest death rate of any country in the world per head. Snp and sturgeon Scotland’s shame. "

This is a direct quote from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) website for March and April.

For clarity the "mortality rate" is all deaths regardless of cause.

The data implies that there are more deaths in Scotland not related to Covid-19. This should draw its own criticism but Scotland does not have the highest Covid-19 death rate in the British Isles let alone Europe.

"Figure 3 shows that there was a significant difference between each country within the UK when looking at both all deaths and those involving COVID-19. Scotland continues to have the highest overall mortality rate but only the second-highest rate of deaths involving COVID-19. England had the highest rate (363.8 per 100,000 population) and Northern Ireland had the lowest (185.9 per 100,000 population).

England had the highest percentage of deaths involving COVID-19 over the period with 26.8% (33,235 deaths) of all deaths in England involving COVID-19. This was followed by Wales with 22.3% of deaths, Scotland with 21.0% of deaths and Northern Ireland with 16.5% of deaths."

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Scotland having the highest death rate of any country in the world per head. Snp and sturgeon Scotland’s shame.

This is a direct quote from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) website for March and April.

For clarity the "mortality rate" is all deaths regardless of cause.

I think soneone just has a bee in their bonnet about the snp for some reason.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hahah

Funny same old faces. Posting bs and hating everything the Uk stands for. So did you miss out the 4000+ deaths from ONS in Scotland? Ah you miss out everything you don’t like.

I’m not even sure why you both even bother coming on here. All your posts are the same.

I’ll keep out of this now. Just an other thread that the bigots can’t tell the truth or even have a debate on.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Looks up irony in the dictionary

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Look up bigot!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just telling the truth, stating facts. If that makes me a bigot you are even more deluded than I thought

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By *asyukMan over a year ago

West London

"Hahah

Funny same old faces. Posting bs and hating everything the Uk stands for. So did you miss out the 4000+ deaths from ONS in Scotland? Ah you miss out everything you don’t like.

I’m not even sure why you both even bother coming on here. All your posts are the same.

I’ll keep out of this now. Just an other thread that the bigots can’t tell the truth or even have a debate on.

I am struggling to understand what point you are making.

I have posted the direct quote from the ONS as I cannot give the link due to the forum rules. A Google search of this will take you there.

Do you dispute the information posted or do you accept it?

There is no "ONS in Scotland".

If you have some other information then copy and paste it here just as I have done otherwise it's just hearsay.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

He is obviously just looking at what he wants to see. It's indisputable that Boris and his team of clowns have made a cunt of things.

Oh,, and have you thought of yet the one thing Boris and his clowns have done right (I exclude the furlough scheme which is admirable but is not related to saving covid related illness)

Name ONE THING they have got right

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"He is obviously just looking at what he wants to see. It's indisputable that Boris and his team of clowns have made a cunt of things.

Oh,, and have you thought of yet the one thing Boris and his clowns have done right (I exclude the furlough scheme which is admirable but is not related to saving covid related illness)

Name ONE THING they have got right "

You may have a long wait.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Just telling the truth, stating facts. If that makes me a bigot you are even more deluded than I thought "

Apparently not believing a made up stat makes you a bigot.

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By *unandlaughter69Couple over a year ago

Boston

Politics on a swingers forum eh?

As if it isn't rammed down our throats on every other type of media in this country, we now have to endure it on here too.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Politics on a swingers forum eh?

As if it isn't rammed down our throats on every other type of media in this country, we now have to endure it on here too.

Yes I apologise. I did say I would keep out of it but I’ve not.

I’ll go to the beach and enjoy myself.

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