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over a year ago
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"Why dont we hear so much about the stats of those of who are recovered as much? It sounds like it is something political, although it is good news  "
Because it don’t sell papers   |
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Initially it wasn't reported on a more balanced level with the numbers for those who had recovered, but would put that down to it being a developing crisis..
Certainly the numbers of those recovering has been widely reported, depending on which source you use..
It's nothing to do with politics.. |
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"Why dont we hear so much about the stats of those of who are recovered as much? It sounds like it is something political, although it is good news
Because it don’t sell papers "
That is right and it doesnt make the headlines as much either. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Why dont we hear so much about the stats of those of who are recovered as much? It sounds like it is something political, although it is good news
Good news indeed. "
Yes it is |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
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"Initially it wasn't reported on a more balanced level with the numbers for those who had recovered, but would put that down to it being a developing crisis..
Certainly the numbers of those recovering has been widely reported, depending on which source you use..
It's nothing to do with politics.. "
That’s true, and it has nothing to do with politics. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Why dont we hear so much about the stats of those of who are recovered as much? It sounds like it is something political, although it is good news "
It's literally because the NHS doesn't have access to that data. If you look at any of the metrics that track the virus. The UK is the one country where number of recovered isn't actually released.
Either because it's not recorded for some statistical or medical reason.
I don't know why exactly, i'm sure it'd be interesting to know why exactly. But the ultimate reason the press aren't reporting on it, is because they don't know what the numbers are.
You could extrapolate I guess, but it's not so easy to run a story based on that. |
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By *exy7Man
over a year ago
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For the same reason as you don't talk about trains that arrive on time but only about trains that arrive late.
Shall we also celebrate that there are still 66 million people who are alive in the UK or celebrate that flowers are still growing in ou gardens? I mean we can celebrate this type of things but I don't expect the media to do so. That's for me on a personal level to take a step back and put all this in perspective.
The role of the press and the opposition is to a certain degree to scrutinize what the people in charge are doing. When you look at how this gvt is desperately trying to put positive spin and refuses to accept having made any mistakes with anything and is lying so blatantly (the Cummings affair for example, th number of tests), I am glad to see that the media are trying to expose these polticians and confront them. Without the press, you wouldn't know anything about the Cummings scandal.
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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Shall we also celebrate that there are still 66 million people who are alive in the UK or celebrate that flowers are still growing in our gardens? "
Yes. I do for sure everyday, because some of those 66 million are my friends and family.
" The role of the press and the opposition is to a certain degree to scrutinize what the people in charge are doing.
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The role of the press is to 'get advertising revenue and to spin to whichever political direction the owners or political party that they support'. To pretend they are being altruistic is a little naive.
The roles of the opposition is to knock the current goverment from power to take it for themselves.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Oh but getting back on track. 4 million people having survived is GOOD NEWS "
Very good news but less than 10% of the population tested, so maybe millions more survived. |
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By *ingo69Man
over a year ago
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"Oh but getting back on track. 4 million people having survived is GOOD NEWS "
True it is brilliant news and if there imune system is good perhaps we will see a vacine soon |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Why dont we hear so much about the stats of those of who are recovered as much? It sounds like it is something political, although it is good news "
I dont think the figure is accurate, seems like guess work, as most of this situation has been especially in the UK. |
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Initially in the UK the majority of people weren't tested, they were left to isolate and recover. Their numbers don't appear in the stats and will not be covered by the media generally. The country messed up by not preparing or planning appropriately in the early stages. |
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"Initially in the UK the majority of people weren't tested, they were left to isolate and recover. Their numbers don't appear in the stats and will not be covered by the media generally. The country messed up by not preparing or planning appropriately in the early stages. "
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Why dont we hear so much about the stats of those of who are recovered as much? It sounds like it is something political, although it is good news "
Sadly people seem to prefer bad news and negativity,very odd I think.
Yes we should look at the positives a bit more |
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how many people believe they may have had it in some shape or form and recovered but not recorded anywhere
probably a high proportion of the population so 4 million plus many more should be positive news |
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The fact thousands of volunteers are looking after vulnerable people and thousands of retired medical staff returned to practice is awe inspiring.
It shows what can happen when cooperation wins out over competition.
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Definitely use survived not recovered. Whilst the survival rate is good news. There are no statistics recording the number of people who have survived but are left with life changing injuries from covid infection. |
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At height of crisis they wouldn't want to downplay the seriousness of the situation now we seem to be heading towards end of lockdown reduction is social distancing to a metre I don't see what political purpose hiding figures would achieve |
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"Why dont we hear so much about the stats of those of who are recovered as much? It sounds like it is something political, although it is good news "
If you NEED people to be worried about how serious the virus is, it makes sense to concentrate on the deaths rather than recovery. If you make a big noise about the recovery rate people with think they don't need to be cautious.
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Why dont we hear so much about the stats of those of who are recovered as much? It sounds like it is something political, although it is good news
If you NEED people to be worried about how serious the virus is, it makes sense to concentrate on the deaths rather than recovery. If you make a big noise about the recovery rate people with think they don't need to be cautious.
Cal"
You are right on that one as it is about using different tactics to get their agenda through |
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Maybe if we’d tested people from the start we would be able to assess how many have recovered. Sadly, testing was deemed not a priority by the Govt. So unless we retest everybody to see if they have the Covid antibodies, then we have no way of knowing how many people have recovered.
All we do know with any certainty, is that an extra 65,000 plus people have died during the lockdown period. So at least 65,000 never recovered.
This isn’t political, it is fact. |
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"Maybe if we’d tested people from the start we would be able to assess how many have recovered. Sadly, testing was deemed not a priority by the Govt. So unless we retest everybody to see if they have the Covid antibodies, then we have no way of knowing how many people have recovered.
All we do know with any certainty, is that an extra 65,000 plus people have died during the lockdown period. So at least 65,000 never recovered.
This isn’t political, it is fact."
We have hit a turning point last Thursday, the number of people dying was less than this time last year and growing. So ONS are keping check of it,maybe excess deaths wil balance out by the end of the year. |
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"Maybe if we’d tested people from the start we would be able to assess how many have recovered. Sadly, testing was deemed not a priority by the Govt. So unless we retest everybody to see if they have the Covid antibodies, then we have no way of knowing how many people have recovered.
All we do know with any certainty, is that an extra 65,000 plus people have died during the lockdown period. So at least 65,000 never recovered.
This isn’t political, it is fact.We have hit a turning point last Thursday, the number of people dying was less than this time last year and growing. So ONS are keping check of it,maybe excess deaths wil balance out by the end of the year. "
The balance of deaths expected this year will level out in the latter part of this year and in to the early part of next.
Of the 40k+ deaths currently attributed to covid19 - the percentage of those who would have died anyway this year will become visible when the number of deaths per week turns negative compared with the 5year average.
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"For the same reason as you don't talk about trains that arrive on time but only about trains that arrive late.
Shall we also celebrate that there are still 66 million people who are alive in the UK or celebrate that flowers are still growing in ou gardens? I mean we can celebrate this type of things but I don't expect the media to do so. That's for me on a personal level to take a step back and put all this in perspective.
The role of the press and the opposition is to a certain degree to scrutinize what the people in charge are doing. When you look at how this gvt is desperately trying to put positive spin and refuses to accept having made any mistakes with anything and is lying so blatantly (the Cummings affair for example, th number of tests), I am glad to see that the media are trying to expose these polticians and confront them. Without the press, you wouldn't know anything about the Cummings scandal.
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labourite shite again  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Because world wide 460k are dead from this and its only the first wave. Yes most people will survive it but not everyone."
Are they realy dead from it? Or did they die with the virus?
I heard about somone who fell down the stairs then died and it was recoded as a coronavirus death because he had the virus at the time of death. |
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"Because world wide 460k are dead from this and its only the first wave. Yes most people will survive it but not everyone.
Are they realy dead from it? Or did they die with the virus?
I heard about somone who fell down the stairs then died and it was recoded as a coronavirus death because he had the virus at the time of death. "
That best you got one example? If you compare average deaths by month of the past few years with the same months this year you'll see that there is a massive net increase in deaths. So regardless of how deaths are labelled you can easily see how damaging the virus is. |
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"Initially in the UK the majority of people weren't tested, they were left to isolate and recover. Their numbers don't appear in the stats and will not be covered by the media generally. The country messed up by not preparing or planning appropriately in the early stages. "
Just because we want something, doesn't mean we can have it or that it is so. Our country, for whatever reason, 1 in 4 people provide false information to track and trace, how can any govt or system provide accurate numbers in such an environment. We get what we deserve in such circumstances.
But in line with the thread, finding information about those who have on the face of it, recovered, is not as readily available as the latest gaffe by trump as an example. |
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"Because world wide 460k are dead from this and its only the first wave. Yes most people will survive it but not everyone.
Are they realy dead from it? Or did they die with the virus?
I heard about somone who fell down the stairs then died and it was recoded as a coronavirus death because he had the virus at the time of death.
That best you got one example? If you compare average deaths by month of the past few years with the same months this year you'll see that there is a massive net increase in deaths. So regardless of how deaths are labelled you can easily see how damaging the virus is."
If the media focused on how many people have died from cleaning out their gutters there would be a massive increase compared to what we heard in this month last year. |
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"Because world wide 460k are dead from this and its only the first wave. Yes most people will survive it but not everyone.
Are they realy dead from it? Or did they die with the virus?
I heard about somone who fell down the stairs then died and it was recoded as a coronavirus death because he had the virus at the time of death.
That best you got one example? If you compare average deaths by month of the past few years with the same months this year you'll see that there is a massive net increase in deaths. So regardless of how deaths are labelled you can easily see how damaging the virus is.
If the media focused on how many people have died from cleaning out their gutters there would be a massive increase compared to what we heard in this month last year. "
no there wouldn't be there has been 133 thousand extra deaths compared to a normal year a normal year already factors in accidents at home |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Initially it wasn't reported on a more balanced level with the numbers for those who had recovered, but would put that down to it being a developing crisis..
Certainly the numbers of those recovering has been widely reported, depending on which source you use..
It's nothing to do with politics..
That’s true, and it has nothing to do with politics. "
Nothing to do with politics.... other numbers are more relevant |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Its also why countries are using different reporting systems...UK covid deaths are reported as covid present in the deceased at time of death, but fails to state exactly why the patient died was it covid 19 or another reason ? People are now looking at the effects of covid 19 in the higher than year on year death rates averages for the countries reporting will this include the side effect where medical services have priorities to treat covid infections over other health problems ? Most coubtries are seeing an increased death rate over recent years..is it that a patient might of recovered but been weakened by the virus so succumbed to another health issue ? Are cancers heart disease being neglected ? The total effect of covid 19 lockdown will be something many discuss and debate for years to come. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"how many people believe they may have had it in some shape or form and recovered but not recorded anywhere
probably a high proportion of the population so 4 million plus many more should be positive news"
Yes I also reckon it is more than 4 million as not everyone have had it, have done the test which is also good news |
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"Maybe if we’d tested people from the start we would be able to assess how many have recovered. Sadly, testing was deemed not a priority by the Govt. So unless we retest everybody to see if they have the Covid antibodies, then we have no way of knowing how many people have recovered.
All we do know with any certainty, is that an extra 65,000 plus people have died during the lockdown period. So at least 65,000 never recovered.
This isn’t political, it is fact.We have hit a turning point last Thursday, the number of people dying was less than this time last year and growing. So ONS are keping check of it,maybe excess deaths wil balance out by the end of the year.
The balance of deaths expected this year will level out in the latter part of this year and in to the early part of next.
Of the 40k+ deaths currently attributed to covid19 - the percentage of those who would have died anyway this year will become visible when the number of deaths per week turns negative compared with the 5year average.
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I doubt very much that the total number of excess deaths for 2020 will be below the 5 year running average. However it is probable, as Covid disproportionately effects the old and I'll who are always more likely to die in any 12 month period that, once Covid is under control, the number of excess deaths per month will decrease to a level below normal. It just probably won't be enough to turn the yearly total below the 5 year average.
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By (user no longer on site)
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Compared to actual cases the death rate is low when you look at it, surely time to get things moving now and let the ones who want to stay home, stay home. |
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"Definitely use survived not recovered. Whilst the survival rate is good news. There are no statistics recording the number of people who have survived but are left with life changing injuries from covid infection."
Absolutely- we still have no idea of the life time effects this will have on people. Survival is not the same as recovery.
Im 3mths down the line still struggling but I'm in better position than many thousands of others |
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"Definitely use survived not recovered. Whilst the survival rate is good news. There are no statistics recording the number of people who have survived but are left with life changing injuries from covid infection.
Absolutely- we still have no idea of the life time effects this will have on people. Survival is not the same as recovery.
Im 3mths down the line still struggling but I'm in better position than many thousands of others "
I'm seven and a half weeks in and I'm seeing "not housebound" being possible in the next couple of weeks. |
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"Definitely use survived not recovered. Whilst the survival rate is good news. There are no statistics recording the number of people who have survived but are left with life changing injuries from covid infection.
Absolutely- we still have no idea of the life time effects this will have on people. Survival is not the same as recovery.
Im 3mths down the line still struggling but I'm in better position than many thousands of others
I'm seven and a half weeks in and I'm seeing "not housebound" being possible in the next couple of weeks."
I hope you start to feel better sometime soon - I've been working but still really struggling with exhaustion after the virus. Take your time when you finally get out - dont rush yourself & don't expect to to where you were quickly. Be very kind to yourself x |
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"Because world wide 460k are dead from this and its only the first wave. Yes most people will survive it but not everyone.
Are they realy dead from it? Or did they die with the virus?
I heard about somone who fell down the stairs then died and it was recoded as a coronavirus death because he had the virus at the time of death.
That best you got one example? If you compare average deaths by month of the past few years with the same months this year you'll see that there is a massive net increase in deaths. So regardless of how deaths are labelled you can easily see how damaging the virus is.
If the media focused on how many people have died from cleaning out their gutters there would be a massive increase compared to what we heard in this month last year. no there wouldn't be there has been 133 thousand extra deaths compared to a normal year a normal year already factors in accidents at home "
Some years just so many people have died from the common flue and probably even more than that.
I don't believe the statistics anyway. |
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OK so the numbers of people who recovered isn't necessarily reported but the numbers of new cases and new deaths are. obviously because the number of deaths are far less than the number of cases then I assume we are expected to realise that those people have recovered. |
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"OK so the numbers of people who recovered isn't necessarily reported but the numbers of new cases and new deaths are. obviously because the number of deaths are far less than the number of cases then I assume we are expected to realise that those people have recovered."
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"Because world wide 460k are dead from this and its only the first wave. Yes most people will survive it but not everyone.
Are they realy dead from it? Or did they die with the virus?
I heard about somone who fell down the stairs then died and it was recoded as a coronavirus death because he had the virus at the time of death.
That best you got one example? If you compare average deaths by month of the past few years with the same months this year you'll see that there is a massive net increase in deaths. So regardless of how deaths are labelled you can easily see how damaging the virus is.
If the media focused on how many people have died from cleaning out their gutters there would be a massive increase compared to what we heard in this month last year. no there wouldn't be there has been 133 thousand extra deaths compared to a normal year a normal year already factors in accidents at home
Some years just so many people have died from the common flue and probably even more than that.
I don't believe the statistics anyway. "
Not true that more people have died of flu in one year. The highest since they have been collecting stats is 26k and has been as low as about 1500. The average is around 16k. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Now the world wide stats is 7.93 million people who have recovered, you still dont hear anything about this good news "
And that is just after 3 weeks since the last update |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide. Flu is a non-reportable disease. Hence the wide gamut of figures.
COVID-19: There have been approximately 590,608 deaths reported worldwide.
17 July 2020 John Hopkins Data. |
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Shall we also celebrate that there are still 66 million people who are alive in the UK or celebrate that flowers are still growing in our gardens?
Yes. I do for sure everyday, because some of those 66 million are my friends and family.
The role of the press and the opposition is to a certain degree to scrutinize what the people in charge are doing.
The role of the press is to 'get advertising revenue and to spin to whichever political direction the owners or political party that they support'. To pretend they are being altruistic is a little naive.
The roles of the opposition is to knock the current goverment from power to take it for themselves.
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The role of the press is to present the news in an impartial manner.
Ironically one of the few examples of that in this under intense scrutiny with people calling for it to be abolished. |
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"For the same reason as you don't talk about trains that arrive on time but only about trains that arrive late.
Shall we also celebrate that there are still 66 million people who are alive in the UK or celebrate that flowers are still growing in ou gardens? I mean we can celebrate this type of things but I don't expect the media to do so. That's for me on a personal level to take a step back and put all this in perspective.
The role of the press and the opposition is to a certain degree to scrutinize what the people in charge are doing. When you look at how this gvt is desperately trying to put positive spin and refuses to accept having made any mistakes with anything and is lying so blatantly (the Cummings affair for example, th number of tests), I am glad to see that the media are trying to expose these polticians and confront them. Without the press, you wouldn't know anything about the Cummings scandal.
labourite shite again "
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By *atEvolutionCouple
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The role of the press is to present the news in an impartial manner.
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No Really. It's not. Most newspapers lean to the left or to the right. But that is only after securing revenue for profit. |
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The role of the press is to present the news in an impartial manner.
No Really. It's not. Most newspapers lean to the left or to the right. But that is only after securing revenue for profit."
The role of the press is not to present the news? Seriously?
The way they do it is a totally different matter. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
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The role of the press is to present the news in an impartial manner.
No Really. It's not. Most newspapers lean to the left or to the right. But that is only after securing revenue for profit.
The role of the press is not to present the news? Seriously?
The way they do it is a totally different matter."
Not what I said. I said in the news they present secondly they choose a left or a right (very few are bang in the middle) First they have to produce a profit by chasing revenue.
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By *abioMan
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"Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide. Flu is a non-reportable disease. Hence the wide gamut of figures.
COVID-19: There have been approximately 590,608 deaths reported worldwide.
17 July 2020 John Hopkins Data."
thats a disengenous comparison because you are comparing the yearly figure for one with the other figure which has basically been over a 5 month period!
600,000 deaths over 5 months would work out to be 1.5 million ish deaths over a year....
now compare that figure to you "290-600k" |
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The role of the press is to present the news in an impartial manner.
No Really. It's not. Most newspapers lean to the left or to the right. But that is only after securing revenue for profit.
The role of the press is not to present the news? Seriously?
The way they do it is a totally different matter.
Not what I said. I said in the news they present secondly they choose a left or a right (very few are bang in the middle) First they have to produce a profit by chasing revenue.
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Of course most have a agenda (overwhelmingly on The right) and they have to make a profit but their reason for being is to provide the news.
As for it being political.. if there is a train crash they don't say how many survived.
It's not political at all. |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide. Flu is a non-reportable disease. Hence the wide gamut of figures.
COVID-19: There have been approximately 590,608 deaths reported worldwide.
17 July 2020 John Hopkins Data.
thats a disengenous comparison because you are comparing the yearly figure for one with the other figure which has basically been over a 5 month period!
600,000 deaths over 5 months would work out to be 1.5 million ish deaths over a year....
now compare that figure to you "290-600k" "
Well I can't give you the figures for the year as the figures for the year will come . . . unsurprisingly . . . at the end of the year.
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By *atEvolutionCouple
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"Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide. Flu is a non-reportable disease. Hence the wide gamut of figures.
COVID-19: There have been approximately 590,608 deaths reported worldwide.
17 July 2020 John Hopkins Data.
thats a disengenous comparison because you are comparing the yearly figure for one with the other figure which has basically been over a 5 month period!
600,000 deaths over 5 months would work out to be 1.5 million ish deaths over a year....
now compare that figure to you "290-600k"
Well I can't give you the figures for the year as the figures for the year will come . . . unsurprisingly . . . at the end of the year.
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By *abioMan
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"Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide. Flu is a non-reportable disease. Hence the wide gamut of figures.
COVID-19: There have been approximately 590,608 deaths reported worldwide.
17 July 2020 John Hopkins Data.
thats a disengenous comparison because you are comparing the yearly figure for one with the other figure which has basically been over a 5 month period!
600,000 deaths over 5 months would work out to be 1.5 million ish deaths over a year....
now compare that figure to you "290-600k"
Well I can't give you the figures for the year as the figures for the year will come . . . unsurprisingly . . . at the end of the year.
And besides I made no comparison I gave the figures from John Hopkins (is all). "
in which case one set of figures means absolutely nothing to the other.... you put them together to try and made a point to serve a narrative....
would you like me to compare car accidents to cats rescued by firemen???? |
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"Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide. Flu is a non-reportable disease. Hence the wide gamut of figures.
COVID-19: There have been approximately 590,608 deaths reported worldwide.
17 July 2020 John Hopkins Data.
thats a disengenous comparison because you are comparing the yearly figure for one with the other figure which has basically been over a 5 month period!
600,000 deaths over 5 months would work out to be 1.5 million ish deaths over a year....
now compare that figure to you "290-600k"
Well I can't give you the figures for the year as the figures for the year will come . . . unsurprisingly . . . at the end of the year.
And besides I made no comparison I gave the figures from John Hopkins (is all).
in which case one set of figures means absolutely nothing to the other.... you put them together to try and made a point to serve a narrative....
would you like me to compare car accidents to cats rescued by firemen????"
Nope. I put them as they were on John Hopkins page. No Alterations. No Omissions. Nice try but no. |
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"Now the world wide stats is 7.93 million people who have recovered, you still dont hear anything about this good news
Where did you hear it?"
I was googling covid stats and it comes up on the first result, it is not a link instead a direct page of all the stats there. |
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"Now the world wide stats is 7.93 million people who have recovered, you still dont hear anything about this good news
Where did you hear it?I was googling covid stats and it comes up on the first result, it is not a link instead a direct page of all the stats there."
Yeah it's hard to find accurate unbiased reporting |
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"Initially it wasn't reported on a more balanced level with the numbers for those who had recovered, but would put that down to it being a developing crisis..
Certainly the numbers of those recovering has been widely reported, depending on which source you use..
It's nothing to do with politics.. "
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"Now 15million people have recovered
Great news starting to edge towards whats needed for herd immunity
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To achieve herd immunity, you need around 75% or more with a resistance to the virus. That would need around five and a half BILLION people.
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"Now 15million people have recovered
Great news starting to edge towards whats needed for herd immunity
You are right there ."
I would ask you to look at the long term effects of SARS 1 virus, Covid is likely to mimic these-
Myocarditis
Chronic fatigue
Neurological issues .
15 million guinea pigs- wait for another 6 months and we will be saying why did we ever consider herd immunity |
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"Now 15million people have recovered
Great news starting to edge towards whats needed for herd immunity
You are right there .
I would ask you to look at the long term effects of SARS 1 virus, Covid is likely to mimic these-
Myocarditis
Chronic fatigue
Neurological issues .
15 million guinea pigs- wait for another 6 months and we will be saying why did we ever consider herd immunity "
I don't think anyone sensible considers herd immunity achieveable without a vaccine. |
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"Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide. Flu is a non-reportable disease. Hence the wide gamut of figures.
COVID-19: There have been approximately 590,608 deaths reported worldwide.
17 July 2020 John Hopkins Data."
And most of the world shut down or locked down to keep those figures as low as 590,608 so what are you trying to say ? |
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"For the same reason as you don't talk about trains that arrive on time but only about trains that arrive late.
Shall we also celebrate that there are still 66 million people who are alive in the UK or celebrate that flowers are still growing in ou gardens? I mean we can celebrate this type of things but I don't expect the media to do so. That's for me on a personal level to take a step back and put all this in perspective.
The role of the press and the opposition is to a certain degree to scrutinize what the people in charge are doing. When you look at how this gvt is desperately trying to put positive spin and refuses to accept having made any mistakes with anything and is lying so blatantly (the Cummings affair for example, th number of tests), I am glad to see that the media are trying to expose these polticians and confront them. Without the press, you wouldn't know anything about the Cummings scandal.
labourite shite again "
Ha ha what? If you’re gonna dismiss someone’s comment like that you gotta at least have some substance to back up it up or you sound mental. Which bit are you calling shite? |
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So 43,000 deaths from 4.3 million cases that are known of. 1% maximum mortality rate; and if you are under 70 with no other health issues then the chances are you have very little to worry about. Just a view. |
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"So 43,000 deaths from 4.3 million cases that are known of. 1% maximum mortality rate; and if you are under 70 with no other health issues then the chances are you have very little to worry about. Just a view. "
You don't think 43,000 is enough... obviously 1% of the uk's population would be 680,000, would that be an acceptable number? |
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"So 43,000 deaths from 4.3 million cases that are known of. 1% maximum mortality rate; and if you are under 70 with no other health issues then the chances are you have very little to worry about. Just a view.
You don't think 43,000 is enough... obviously 1% of the uk's population would be 680,000, would that be an acceptable number?"
. Ha. Clearly you don’t understand do you. I will try to spell it out simply. We’re not talking about the entire population, just the known positive cases, which obviously is a minimum number. Thankfully it simply shows that the maximum mortality rate is 1%. Make of it what you will |
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"So 43,000 deaths from 4.3 million cases that are known of. 1% maximum mortality rate; and if you are under 70 with no other health issues then the chances are you have very little to worry about. Just a view.
You don't think 43,000 is enough... obviously 1% of the uk's population would be 680,000, would that be an acceptable number?. Ha. Clearly you don’t understand do you. I will try to spell it out simply. We’re not talking about the entire population, just the known positive cases, which obviously is a minimum number. Thankfully it simply shows that the maximum mortality rate is 1%. Make of it what you will"
And even more simply, those are the numbers with lockdown
Anybody's guess what it would be without restrictions
43001
430000
4300000
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"So 43,000 deaths from 4.3 million cases that are known of. 1% maximum mortality rate; and if you are under 70 with no other health issues then the chances are you have very little to worry about. Just a view.
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You don't think 43,000 is enough... obviously 1% of the uk's population would be 680,000, would that be an acceptable number?.
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Ha. Clearly you don’t understand do you. I will try to spell it out simply. We’re not talking about the entire population, just the known positive cases, which obviously is a minimum number. Thankfully it simply shows that the maximum mortality rate is 1%. Make of it what you will"
There is no issue with my understanding, you're just wrong. To start with, there have not been 4.3 million recorded cases here, only 330 thousand which makes the mortality rate about 7.5%. Obviously we "know" that many more infections have gone unrecorded, but don't know how many... and "many more" is not a useful number for doing sums with.
Saying that we shouldn't be worried because the mortality rate is only 1% is missing the point somewhat. We have protected the majority of the population from infection, especially those in the highest risk groups. If we hadn't done so the death rate and the number of cases would have been much higher.
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