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Last week Boris promised that there would be an update for shielders in England week commencing 15th June. Like many, I’ve been glued to the briefings waiting to find out his plans. Did we get an update? No we bloody didn’t! The rest of the UK has got put out a clear and concise update about shielding. Why has Boris not done the same for England? There are now questions being asked every day about when will there be an update and the answer is “very soon” or like today’s answer “in the coming weeks”. How can it be in the coming weeks when shielding as it stands is meant to cease in 11 days?
The virus hasn’t gone away. Employers have got to plan rotas, do full risk assessments for shielders, possibly make changes to working patterns or job role to ensure that very strict social distancing is adhered to. Parents will need to arrange childcare. Shielders have got to mentally prepare themselves to set foot outside their door after spending months being told that if they go out they may catch the virus and it will probably kill them. Do the government really think that leaving it until the last possible moment is acceptable?
Not to mention the effect what the stress of not knowing is having on our mental health!
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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago
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I completely understand where you are coming from, and I'm not sure why they haven't mentioned this either, as our government here is Scotland is trying to pretend they are better than England, but then rolled out all the same rules as Westminster did 
But I'm sure they did mention the shielded about being able to go out and exercise now.
Can I just add to your note on mental well being, people should think about the people that were told incorrectly that they should be shielding and then sent a DNR to sign and return!
And that was not the government of any sort, that was local GP surgeries taking it upon themselves to add that additional stress, as a person living and working alone, with no local support system, I think that would have toppled me over the edge, we should not forget that behaviour and deal with it appropriately when it is better placed to do so but do it vocally.  |
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"Those shielding have been able to go outside for a couple of weeks now ?
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For 1 hour exercise once a day. We are told to strictly social distance and avoid places where other people may be likely to be. We are told that it’s best to go out for a walk early in the morning or late at night to reduce the risk of seeing other people. We cannot go to the shops. The only other reason we are allowed out is for medical appointments or in and emergency.
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"Those shielding have been able to go outside for a couple of weeks now ?
For 1 hour exercise once a day. We are told to strictly social distance and avoid places where other people may be likely to be. We are told that it’s best to go out for a walk early in the morning or late at night to reduce the risk of seeing other people. We cannot go to the shops. The only other reason we are allowed out is for medical appointments or in and emergency.
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I thought shielders could now go outdoors and also meet 1 person from another household .
The advice appears to be different ? |
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"Those shielding have been able to go outside for a couple of weeks now ?
For 1 hour exercise once a day. We are told to strictly social distance and avoid places where other people may be likely to be. We are told that it’s best to go out for a walk early in the morning or late at night to reduce the risk of seeing other people. We cannot go to the shops. The only other reason we are allowed out is for medical appointments or in and emergency.
I thought shielders could now go outdoors and also meet 1 person from another household .
The advice appears to be different ?"
They may only meet one person from another household if the live alone. That must be the same person each time, can’t be a different person. If you live with someone you can go out with one person from your household. It was brought in to try and make mental health better. They should probably think about mental health with regards to the update too as the constant “soon” is causing a lot of anxiety and stress for a lot of people! |
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The information I received today is that shielding is to continue ur to July 30th but if you have a mild condition or something that’s is not a risk it should be ending 6th July.
Letters for each category will be sent soon so to help people
Hope this helps
I know it’s frustrating as my parents in same situation and can’t get out but I also want to protect them as lots idiots about taking the mick |
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By *reya73Woman
over a year ago
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I can totally understand why you feel this way. I'm sorry it's so stressful for you. As a singke mother isolating alone I felt at my wits end waiting for information on whether I could have contact.
I'm not in the same risk category as you and can't imagine what it must feel like .. but is there a way you can make your own personal informed risk assessment on certain things that may help to balance between the risk and alleviating your mental health?
Wishing you well and I hope you can make some positive changes that support your well being xxx |
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How can people blame the government ?
Assume responsibility for your own health regardless of what you.want the government to tell you.
If you're shielding you're probably fairly safe, you don't need the government to reassure you on this.
If you go outside you're less safe, you don't need the government to tell you this.
The government have plenty of things you can blame them for, but how can they tell you if it's safe to go out ? |
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"How can people blame the government ?
Assume responsibility for your own health regardless of what you.want the government to tell you.
If you're shielding you're probably fairly safe, you don't need the government to reassure you on this.
If you go outside you're less safe, you don't need the government to tell you this.
The government have plenty of things you can blame them for, but how can they tell you if it's safe to go out ? "
Maybe you should tell the thousands of employers which are expecting shielded staff back at work on 1st July that they can forget it as staff will decide for themselves whether it’s safe to go to work!
Secondly, the government have claimed from day one that their response is lead by science. They hold all of the knowledge gained from scientific research into Covid and release only a tiny amount of data into the public domain. They are learning more and more every day about what social, economic and health factors make people extremely clinically vulnerable and more likely to die or need ICU care. Do you honestly think that the tiny amount of scientific data that is being drip fed to us via the press is enough to make what could potentially be a life or death decision? |
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"The information I received today is that shielding is to continue ur to July 30th but if you have a mild condition or something that’s is not a risk it should be ending 6th July.
Letters for each category will be sent soon so to help people
Hope this helps
I know it’s frustrating as my parents in same situation and can’t get out but I also want to protect them as lots idiots about taking the mick"
Please can I ask where you got that information as I have asked my gp and contacts on a support group for shielders that use have asked their gp’s and hospital consultants, only to be told that they don’t know any more than we do |
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We are in exactly the same situation and totally feel your frustration.
It's all well and good saying we can go out for a walk for one hour A-day if we stay away from people, Well try doing that in the middle of London!
We have pretty much now stopped totally shielding.
We are using our common sense and protecting ourselves as best as possible but we feel totally forgotten.
People get far too close when I have reminded people 2 meters to keep us safe iv verbally abused.
Thankfully my employers have told me I don't have to go back until September am I am on full pay until then.
The biggest difficulty that we are facing is ongoing medical treatment, As it has all been suspended so we are now more at risk from our pre existing conditions than the virus.
Its all an absolute mess.
So the people who have said I've been a bit cranky recently this is exactly the reason why. |
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"How can people blame the government ?
Assume responsibility for your own health regardless of what you.want the government to tell you.
If you're shielding you're probably fairly safe, you don't need the government to reassure you on this.
If you go outside you're less safe, you don't need the government to tell you this.
The government have plenty of things you can blame them for, but how can they tell you if it's safe to go out ?
Maybe you should tell the thousands of employers which are expecting shielded staff back at work on 1st July that they can forget it as staff will decide for themselves whether it’s safe to go to work!
Secondly, the government have claimed from day one that their response is lead by science. They hold all of the knowledge gained from scientific research into Covid and release only a tiny amount of data into the public domain. They are learning more and more every day about what social, economic and health factors make people extremely clinically vulnerable and more likely to die or need ICU care. Do you honestly think that the tiny amount of scientific data that is being drip fed to us via the press is enough to make what could potentially be a life or death decision? "
Another misconception is that people think that the shield in group are either exceptionally ill or very old.
People think but people in the shielding group probably don't go out or live active lives anyway.
Well I can assure you but yes I have a pre existing health condition but I am a very active 37 year old with a life to live.
So many missconceptions out there.
And yes we do take responsibility for our own now but just imagine for one minute That you are told you are not safe to leave your house but the government will support you you will not be left alone. Well I can assure you we feel very alone. |
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"The information I received today is that shielding is to continue ur to July 30th but if you have a mild condition or something that’s is not a risk it should be ending 6th July.
Letters for each category will be sent soon so to help people
Hope this helps
I know it’s frustrating as my parents in same situation and can’t get out but I also want to protect them as lots idiots about taking the mick"
I will be told to shield until the end of july then ! |
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"The information I received today is that shielding is to continue ur to July 30th but if you have a mild condition or something that’s is not a risk it should be ending 6th July.
Letters for each category will be sent soon so to help people
Hope this helps
I know it’s frustrating as my parents in same situation and can’t get out but I also want to protect them as lots idiots about taking the mick
Please can I ask where you got that information as I have asked my gp and contacts on a support group for shielders that use have asked their gp’s and hospital consultants, only to be told that they don’t know any more than we do"
It was in press few days ago
Plus my parents received letter about it dad has early July mum end July but says govt to clarify more this week coming.
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"The information I received today is that shielding is to continue ur to July 30th but if you have a mild condition or something that’s is not a risk it should be ending 6th July.
Letters for each category will be sent soon so to help people
Hope this helps
I know it’s frustrating as my parents in same situation and can’t get out but I also want to protect them as lots idiots about taking the mick
Please can I ask where you got that information as I have asked my gp and contacts on a support group for shielders that use have asked their gp’s and hospital consultants, only to be told that they don’t know any more than we do
It was in press few days ago
Plus my parents received letter about it dad has early July mum end July but says govt to clarify more this week coming.
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I'm suprised some people have heard before others ! |
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"The information I received today is that shielding is to continue ur to July 30th but if you have a mild condition or something that’s is not a risk it should be ending 6th July.
Letters for each category will be sent soon so to help people
Hope this helps
I know it’s frustrating as my parents in same situation and can’t get out but I also want to protect them as lots idiots about taking the mick
Please can I ask where you got that information as I have asked my gp and contacts on a support group for shielders that use have asked their gp’s and hospital consultants, only to be told that they don’t know any more than we do
It was in press few days ago
Plus my parents received letter about it dad has early July mum end July but says govt to clarify more this week coming.
I'm suprised some people have heard before others !"
Scotland has already clarified it supposedly if google it and wales now says August 14th ish but England says will confirm this week but some press stuff on a google search says letters are going out |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"press stuff"...
Rumours are unhelpful when your life is on hold. Shielding people were told we'd have an update w/c 15th June, yet all we've been given is we'll get a letter "shortly" . Some shielders received their first letter in April, weeks later than the start of lockdown. That's no use for those who have jobs, whose employers are expecting them back on 1st July.
Telling shielding people one month that you are at risk of death if you go beyond your front door, then to make your own mind up if it's OK to return to normal is disingenuous to say the least.
Clarity is all we're asking for. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I got my original letter 2 weeks ago. My GP messed up big time. Hence i havn't shielded at all and have worked the whole time apart from a month furloughed, plus there's no social distancing or PPE used in my job. |
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"The information I received today is that shielding is to continue ur to July 30th but if you have a mild condition or something that’s is not a risk it should be ending 6th July.
Letters for each category will be sent soon so to help people
Hope this helps
I know it’s frustrating as my parents in same situation and can’t get out but I also want to protect them as lots idiots about taking the mick
Please can I ask where you got that information as I have asked my gp and contacts on a support group for shielders that use have asked their gp’s and hospital consultants, only to be told that they don’t know any more than we do
It was in press few days ago
Plus my parents received letter about it dad has early July mum end July but says govt to clarify more this week coming.
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Are your parents in England? Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have had updates which have been in the media. England are the only part of the UK who haven’t |
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"The information I received today is that shielding is to continue ur to July 30th but if you have a mild condition or something that’s is not a risk it should be ending 6th July.
Letters for each category will be sent soon so to help people
Hope this helps
I know it’s frustrating as my parents in same situation and can’t get out but I also want to protect them as lots idiots about taking the mick
Please can I ask where you got that information as I have asked my gp and contacts on a support group for shielders that use have asked their gp’s and hospital consultants, only to be told that they don’t know any more than we do
It was in press few days ago
Plus my parents received letter about it dad has early July mum end July but says govt to clarify more this week coming.
Are your parents in England? Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have had updates which have been in the media. England are the only part of the UK who haven’t "
England they got their letter Friday say about extension and change of details.
I know other regions already put out information and been in the media
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What a horrible position to be in. I would hate that uncertainty.
It’s seems from my experience no amount of social distancing is going to stop it in the workplace. We had people in my office adhering to social distancing and small bubble teams yet it still broke out and took out two work groups. Thankfully all recovered but it’s scary how quickly it spreads.
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By *andAukCouple
over a year ago
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We know some people who have been shielding and they've had a call from their doctor to say that it's safe for them to return to work so they have. Employers won't let anybody back unless signed off from their doctor, due to opening themselves up to been sued if anything should happen and the person shouldn't have been at work. Something for sure does need updating though. We're sure that employers are having to foot the bill for sheilders as don't think they can be furloughed but feel free to correct us if we're wrong. The people we know have been off on full pay covered by the company,something that no company would be able to sustain longterm. This then could possibly lead to people been let go under health grounds and not been able to carry out their duties. The whole thing is a mess with covid on a whole and everyone seems to be flying by the seat of their pants. |
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"The information I received today is that shielding is to continue ur to July 30th but if you have a mild condition or something that’s is not a risk it should be ending 6th July.
Letters for each category will be sent soon so to help people
Hope this helps
I know it’s frustrating as my parents in same situation and can’t get out but I also want to protect them as lots idiots about taking the mick
Please can I ask where you got that information as I have asked my gp and contacts on a support group for shielders that use have asked their gp’s and hospital consultants, only to be told that they don’t know any more than we do
It was in press few days ago
Plus my parents received letter about it dad has early July mum end July but says govt to clarify more this week coming.
Are your parents in England? Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have had updates which have been in the media. England are the only part of the UK who haven’t
England they got their letter Friday say about extension and change of details.
I know other regions already put out information and been in the media
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I was on the phone to the hospital on Thursday and they had no updates. |
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"How can people blame the government ?
Assume responsibility for your own health regardless of what you.want the government to tell you.
If you're shielding you're probably fairly safe, you don't need the government to reassure you on this.
If you go outside you're less safe, you don't need the government to tell you this.
The government have plenty of things you can blame them for, but how can they tell you if it's safe to go out ?
Maybe you should tell the thousands of employers which are expecting shielded staff back at work on 1st July that they can forget it as staff will decide for themselves whether it’s safe to go to work!
Secondly, the government have claimed from day one that their response is lead by science. They hold all of the knowledge gained from scientific research into Covid and release only a tiny amount of data into the public domain. They are learning more and more every day about what social, economic and health factors make people extremely clinically vulnerable and more likely to die or need ICU care. Do you honestly think that the tiny amount of scientific data that is being drip fed to us via the press is enough to make what could potentially be a life or death decision? "
So why would you think it's safe to return to work if the government say it is ?
You can see for yourself the virus is still around in very large numbers.
The risk is much less than 3 months ago but only you can assume the risk of returning to work as only you know your individual circumstances such as medical risk and the risk posed in your workplace. If you work with two other people in an office would be vastly different from working on a production line.
I really don't understand the need for the government to tell you to get back to work ?
I fully understand the issue re work payment if they ask you to return but again it's up to individuals if they want to take this risk too.
Can you imagine the media response if the government told people who are shielding to go back and just one person died ?
Fucked of they do fucked if they don't
Not that I have any particular fondness for the bumbling babbling buffoon who runs England and is going to ruin the country for his own vanity.
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"The information I received today is that shielding is to continue ur to July 30th but if you have a mild condition or something that’s is not a risk it should be ending 6th July.
Letters for each category will be sent soon so to help people
Hope this helps
I know it’s frustrating as my parents in same situation and can’t get out but I also want to protect them as lots idiots about taking the mick
Please can I ask where you got that information as I have asked my gp and contacts on a support group for shielders that use have asked their gp’s and hospital consultants, only to be told that they don’t know any more than we do
It was in press few days ago
Plus my parents received letter about it dad has early July mum end July but says govt to clarify more this week coming.
Are your parents in England? Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have had updates which have been in the media. England are the only part of the UK who haven’t
England they got their letter Friday say about extension and change of details.
I know other regions already put out information and been in the media
I was on the phone to the hospital on Thursday and they had no updates."
Yeah it’s all a mess
My dad called go Thursday as mum is very poorly and he wanted know if now safe etc they didn’t know just England people will find out next week.
Then Friday got letter of changes
At start know mum got hers early just frustrating Dad only got his 7-8 weeks later
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"How can people blame the government ?
Assume responsibility for your own health regardless of what you.want the government to tell you.
If you're shielding you're probably fairly safe, you don't need the government to reassure you on this.
If you go outside you're less safe, you don't need the government to tell you this.
The government have plenty of things you can blame them for, but how can they tell you if it's safe to go out ?
Maybe you should tell the thousands of employers which are expecting shielded staff back at work on 1st July that they can forget it as staff will decide for themselves whether it’s safe to go to work!
Secondly, the government have claimed from day one that their response is lead by science. They hold all of the knowledge gained from scientific research into Covid and release only a tiny amount of data into the public domain. They are learning more and more every day about what social, economic and health factors make people extremely clinically vulnerable and more likely to die or need ICU care. Do you honestly think that the tiny amount of scientific data that is being drip fed to us via the press is enough to make what could potentially be a life or death decision?
So why would you think it's safe to return to work if the government say it is ?
You can see for yourself the virus is still around in very large numbers.
The risk is much less than 3 months ago but only you can assume the risk of returning to work as only you know your individual circumstances such as medical risk and the risk posed in your workplace. If you work with two other people in an office would be vastly different from working on a production line.
I really don't understand the need for the government to tell you to get back to work ?
I fully understand the issue re work payment if they ask you to return but again it's up to individuals if they want to take this risk too.
Can you imagine the media response if the government told people who are shielding to go back and just one person died ?
Fucked of they do fucked if they don't
Not that I have any particular fondness for the bumbling babbling buffoon who runs England and is going to ruin the country for his own vanity.
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It’s not safe to return to work but for many of us, if we don’t return when told that shielding ends we won’t have a job to return to! |
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"We know some people who have been shielding and they've had a call from their doctor to say that it's safe for them to return to work so they have. Employers won't let anybody back unless signed off from their doctor, due to opening themselves up to been sued if anything should happen and the person shouldn't have been at work. Something for sure does need updating though. We're sure that employers are having to foot the bill for sheilders as don't think they can be furloughed but feel free to correct us if we're wrong. The people we know have been off on full pay covered by the company,something that no company would be able to sustain longterm. This then could possibly lead to people been let go under health grounds and not been able to carry out their duties. The whole thing is a mess with covid on a whole and everyone seems to be flying by the seat of their pants. "
Employers an furlough then but it’s up to the individual business. The only legal entitlement whilst shielding is SSP |
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"We know some people who have been shielding and they've had a call from their doctor to say that it's safe for them to return to work so they have. Employers won't let anybody back unless signed off from their doctor, due to opening themselves up to been sued if anything should happen and the person shouldn't have been at work. Something for sure does need updating though. We're sure that employers are having to foot the bill for sheilders as don't think they can be furloughed but feel free to correct us if we're wrong. The people we know have been off on full pay covered by the company,something that no company would be able to sustain longterm. This then could possibly lead to people been let go under health grounds and not been able to carry out their duties. The whole thing is a mess with covid on a whole and everyone seems to be flying by the seat of their pants.
Employers an furlough then but it’s up to the individual business. The only legal entitlement whilst shielding is SSP"
Yes that's my understanding too but people who are shielding should be treated as people who are on sick leave.
It gives you some protection meaning your employer can't just sack you for not going in But yes you are only legally entitled to statutory sick pay. |
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By *andAukCouple
over a year ago
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Employers an furlough then but it’s up to the individual business. The only legal entitlement whilst shielding is SSP
Yes that's my understanding too but people who are shielding should be treated as people who are on sick leave."
This is really poor for those shielding. Potentially only been paid ssp, whilst also building up sick days on their record when not
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By (user no longer on site)
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"These shielding will be allowed out again from the end of July.... You heard it here first "
Actually we are grown adults so I can go out whenever I like.
secondly the advice has been that those shielding can go out an hour a day for the last 2 weeks now so it's not really news. |
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"These shielding will be allowed out again from the end of July.... You heard it here first
Actually we are grown adults so I can go out whenever I like.
secondly the advice has been that those shielding can go out an hour a day for the last 2 weeks now so it's not really news."
Exactly, common sense and risk assessment  |
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By *eeBee67Man
over a year ago
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Isn't it all "recommendations" or "advice"?
I'm pretty sure people shielding will not get arrested for going outside. You catch the virus from close prolonged contact with one of the 30,000 people in the entire nation who are infected, or touching you facial orrifices with unclean hands. Dont do either and it's pretty certain you will be ok. But theres no guarantee in life.
We have had years of people complaining about the Nanny state, and now we want them to prescribe in detail exactly what we can and cant do.
I feel so much for those isolating for so long, but if it were me I would be now taking matters into my own hands and doing my own risk assessments.
Last week only 1 in 2000 people had covid19 this week it will be much less. |
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"Isn't it all "recommendations" or "advice"?
I'm pretty sure people shielding will not get arrested for going outside. You catch the virus from close prolonged contact with one of the 30,000 people in the entire nation who are infected, or touching you facial orrifices with unclean hands. Dont do either and it's pretty certain you will be ok. But theres no guarantee in life.
We have had years of people complaining about the Nanny state, and now we want them to prescribe in detail exactly what we can and cant do.
I feel so much for those isolating for so long, but if it were me I would be now taking matters into my own hands and doing my own risk assessments.
Last week only 1 in 2000 people had covid19 this week it will be much less."
Its really not that simple.
To start with I had a friend who wanted to go back to work who is in the shielding group and has been told by her employer that they are not insured as she would be going back against medical and government advice.
So actually it is imperative that guidelines are updated.
It's a complicated situation and not easy or straightforward.
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"Isn't it all "recommendations" or "advice"?
I'm pretty sure people shielding will not get arrested for going outside. You catch the virus from close prolonged contact with one of the 30,000 people in the entire nation who are infected, or touching you facial orrifices with unclean hands. Dont do either and it's pretty certain you will be ok. But theres no guarantee in life.
We have had years of people complaining about the Nanny state, and now we want them to prescribe in detail exactly what we can and cant do.
I feel so much for those isolating for so long, but if it were me I would be now taking matters into my own hands and doing my own risk assessments.
Last week only 1 in 2000 people had covid19 this week it will be much less."
It's not about law, it's about life.
If shielding ends on 30th and vulnerable are forced to return to jobs before it's safe, the virus could kill them. |
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"Isn't it all "recommendations" or "advice"?
I'm pretty sure people shielding will not get arrested for going outside. You catch the virus from close prolonged contact with one of the 30,000 people in the entire nation who are infected, or touching you facial orrifices with unclean hands. Dont do either and it's pretty certain you will be ok. But theres no guarantee in life.
We have had years of people complaining about the Nanny state, and now we want them to prescribe in detail exactly what we can and cant do.
I feel so much for those isolating for so long, but if it were me I would be now taking matters into my own hands and doing my own risk assessments.
Last week only 1 in 2000 people had covid19 this week it will be much less.
It's not about law, it's about life.
If shielding ends on 30th and vulnerable are forced to return to jobs before it's safe, the virus could kill them. "
Exactly.
It's easy for those the who aren't in this situation to make comment or judgement but living it is really difficult. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I feel like those shielding are being abandoned because it's no longer convenient to protect them."
It really does feel that way.
I think they just don't know what to do with us.
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By *eeBee67Man
over a year ago
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I appreciate that it is not a simple issue or solution, and that the medical advice does need updating.
Currently 0.05% or less of the population are estimated to be infected outside hospitals. The risk must be classed as extremely low of coming into contact with an infected person.
But as with all governments they are damned if they do and damned if they dont.
Some people complaining things moving too fast, others that it's too slow. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I appreciate that it is not a simple issue or solution, and that the medical advice does need updating.
Currently 0.05% or less of the population are estimated to be infected outside hospitals. The risk must be classed as extremely low of coming into contact with an infected person.
But as with all governments they are damned if they do and damned if they dont.
Some people complaining things moving too fast, others that it's too slow."
But the shielders are completely different because it was the government that told them they were extremely high risk.
They were told they would not be forgotten and that plans were in place for them.
Please remember the lots of people in the shielding group are young fit and healthy other than the fact they have underline condition that makes it likely they would die if they were to catch the virus.
Please don't try to over simplify it and make it sound like people adjust running scared because we were told to be scared. |
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"I feel like those shielding are being abandoned because it's no longer convenient to protect them.
It really does feel that way.
I think they just don't know what to do with us.
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It's such a mess. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I believe there will be an announcement by government on Thursday June 25th with regards to shielding. What they will say I've no idea. "
I hope so but then they also said there would be an announcement on the 15th. |
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I had a letter Friday from my consultant to say despite the guidelines suggesting it’s now safe to go out and the rules being relaxed, I must continue to shield and stay in! Bit late coz I’ve been going out for my daily exercise and seeing one other person for a couple weeks now
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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My housemate was shielding but has no come of the med that put them at risk. Interesting that the so called medicine the think that made them more likely to die if they caught covid |
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"Why has Boris not done the same for England? "
Because he's a shitty chancer who's making it up as he goes along. He's way out of his depth. He thought being PM would be a lucrative lark like everything else he's fallen into. He's not a detail man. He can't even remember how many kids he's fathered. |
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By *oddyWoman
over a year ago
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I'm still under house arrest till the end of July allowed to go the hospital and a very short walk round the block
Thanks o the few on here who know my condition and have been keeping me going with calls texts and message means a lot xxxxx |
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No offence
What do people shielding want ?
To be told they can return to work ?
To be told they can't return to work ?
To be told they can go outside the house ?
What exactly would be the solution ?
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over a year ago
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"No offence
What do people shielding want ?
To be told they can return to work ?
To be told they can't return to work ?
To be told they can go outside the house ?
What exactly would be the solution ?
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A clear date so employers know when employees are able to return, so they are properly insured and reasonable adjustments can be made to keep them safe.
A clear date so shielders can begin to make plans with their family (my kids live with me and are keen to do things like book a day at the zoo).
A clear date so we can arrange to see our loved ones in the garden or for a walk, or to organise a support bubble.
A clear date so it feels like we haven't just been written off by the government.
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"No offence
What do people shielding want ?
To be told they can return to work ?
To be told they can't return to work ?
To be told they can go outside the house ?
What exactly would be the solution ?
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I do voluntary work with people who are shielding, and it's much harder now to get compliance from them (other issues too, not just the shielding). I want somewhere between "this is a big deal" and "you're all fine now" so I/we can work out how to help them and support them psychologically without putting them at risk. |
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"No offence
What do people shielding want ?
To be told they can return to work ?
To be told they can't return to work ?
To be told they can go outside the house ?
What exactly would be the solution ?
A clear date so employers know when employees are able to return, so they are properly insured and reasonable adjustments can be made to keep them safe.
A clear date so shielders can begin to make plans with their family (my kids live with me and are keen to do things like book a day at the zoo).
A clear date so we can arrange to see our loved ones in the garden or for a walk, or to organise a support bubble.
A clear date so it feels like we haven't just been written off by the government.
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Exactly and I don't think that's too much to ask. |
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"The information I received today is that shielding is to continue ur to July 30th but if you have a mild condition or something that’s is not a risk it should be ending 6th July.
Letters for each category will be sent soon so to help people
Hope this helps
I know it’s frustrating as my parents in same situation and can’t get out but I also want to protect them as lots idiots about taking the mick
Please can I ask where you got that information as I have asked my gp and contacts on a support group for shielders that use have asked their gp’s and hospital consultants, only to be told that they don’t know any more than we do"
We really do not have any insider knowledge, been blindsided on several occasions by the updated guidelines for our patients.   |
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"The information I received today is that shielding is to continue ur to July 30th but if you have a mild condition or something that’s is not a risk it should be ending 6th July.
Letters for each category will be sent soon so to help people
Hope this helps
I know it’s frustrating as my parents in same situation and can’t get out but I also want to protect them as lots idiots about taking the mick
Please can I ask where you got that information as I have asked my gp and contacts on a support group for shielders that use have asked their gp’s and hospital consultants, only to be told that they don’t know any more than we do
We really do not have any insider knowledge, been blindsided on several occasions by the updated guidelines for our patients. "
As a person, I'd like the government to not leave healthcare professionals in the dark.
I can't believe I have to say this. |
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"No offence
What do people shielding want ?
To be told they can return to work ?
To be told they can't return to work ?
To be told they can go outside the house ?
What exactly would be the solution ?
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Please remember it was the government that asked people to do this so I feel they have a responsibility to keep people updated. |
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"The information I received today is that shielding is to continue ur to July 30th but if you have a mild condition or something that’s is not a risk it should be ending 6th July.
Letters for each category will be sent soon so to help people
Hope this helps
I know it’s frustrating as my parents in same situation and can’t get out but I also want to protect them as lots idiots about taking the mick
Please can I ask where you got that information as I have asked my gp and contacts on a support group for shielders that use have asked their gp’s and hospital consultants, only to be told that they don’t know any more than we do
We really do not have any insider knowledge, been blindsided on several occasions by the updated guidelines for our patients.
As a person, I'd like the government to not leave healthcare professionals in the dark.
I can't believe I have to say this."
We have had new patients added to the shielding list,every week throughout this whole thing,up to last week, how does the system add them this late in the day, so when we contact them, as contractually required, imagine the fall guys we are!!! |
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over a year ago
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"My original letter said i should be shielding for 12 weeks from 4th june."
Thats really late.
That takes you to September.
Hopefully the people that have commented or that think the shielders just aren't using common sense should maybe realise it's an absolute mess and not consistent. |
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"Last week Boris promised that there would be an update for shielders in England week commencing 15th June. Like many, I’ve been glued to the briefings waiting to find out his plans. "
Not watched ANYTHING virus update wise from that wanker in weeks, just getting on with my life now as I see fit. |
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"Last week Boris promised that there would be an update for shielders in England week commencing 15th June. Like many, I’ve been glued to the briefings waiting to find out his plans.
Not watched ANYTHING virus update wise from that wanker in weeks, just getting on with my life now as I see fit. "
which is exactly what in some respects they want you to do |
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"Last week Boris promised that there would be an update for shielders in England week commencing 15th June. Like many, I’ve been glued to the briefings waiting to find out his plans.
Not watched ANYTHING virus update wise from that wanker in weeks, just getting on with my life now as I see fit.
which is exactly what in some respects they want you to do "
But we cant as our employees won't take us back until we get the all clear. |
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"My original letter said i should be shielding for 12 weeks from 4th june.
Thats really late.
That takes you to September.
Hopefully the people that have commented or that think the shielders just aren't using common sense should maybe realise it's an absolute mess and not consistent."
I think my GP has just used the standard letter that went out in march but they left me off the list and it was only when they recently did an asthma review via the phone that they realised i should have been shielding from the begining (which i knew as i easily fit the most vunerable criteria).
Anyway iv worked all the time except for 4 weeks on furlough, no social distancing, no PPE. Seems pointless shielding now !! |
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"Last week Boris promised that there would be an update for shielders in England week commencing 15th June. Like many, I’ve been glued to the briefings waiting to find out his plans.
Not watched ANYTHING virus update wise from that wanker in weeks, just getting on with my life now as I see fit.
which is exactly what in some respects they want you to do
But we cant as our employees won't take us back until we get the all clear. "
My workplace is fine about me working despite having a shielding letter. |
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"Last week Boris promised that there would be an update for shielders in England week commencing 15th June. Like many, I’ve been glued to the briefings waiting to find out his plans.
Not watched ANYTHING virus update wise from that wanker in weeks, just getting on with my life now as I see fit.
which is exactly what in some respects they want you to do
But we cant as our employees won't take us back until we get the all clear.
My workplace is fine about me working despite having a shielding letter."
Mine are being over Cautious.
Thankfully I'm on full pay till September.
Its all so frustrating though. |
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"I appreciate that it is not a simple issue or solution, and that the medical advice does need updating.
Currently 0.05% or less of the population are estimated to be infected outside hospitals. The risk must be classed as extremely low of coming into contact with an infected person.
But as with all governments they are damned if they do and damned if they dont.
Some people complaining things moving too fast, others that it's too slow."
Where the hell are you getting your figures from? The testing is a fiasco, only those with symptoms are being tested if they are lucky ( no gov figures for over3wks) because they don't know. There are no tests for non-sympomatic people. no immunity tests, no test to tell if you've had it, didn't know, and thus are current immune.
"99.48% of stats are made up on the spur of the moment"
Are yours? |
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"I appreciate that it is not a simple issue or solution, and that the medical advice does need updating.
Currently 0.05% or less of the population are estimated to be infected outside hospitals. The risk must be classed as extremely low of coming into contact with an infected person.
But as with all governments they are damned if they do and damned if they dont.
Some people complaining things moving too fast, others that it's too slow.
Where the hell are you getting your figures from? The testing is a fiasco, only those with symptoms are being tested if they are lucky ( no gov figures for over3wks) because they don't know. There are no tests for non-sympomatic people. no immunity tests, no test to tell if you've had it, didn't know, and thus are current immune.
"99.48% of stats are made up on the spur of the moment"
Are yours?"
It's such a mess. |
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"No offence
What do people shielding want ?
To be told they can return to work ?
To be told they can't return to work ?
To be told they can go outside the house ?
What exactly would be the solution ?
A clear date so employers know when employees are able to return, so they are properly insured and reasonable adjustments can be made to keep them safe.
A clear date so shielders can begin to make plans with their family (my kids live with me and are keen to do things like book a day at the zoo).
A clear date so we can arrange to see our loved ones in the garden or for a walk, or to organise a support bubble.
A clear date so it feels like we haven't just been written off by the government.
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Bit can't you see the virus status changes on an almost daily basis so saying it will be ok on the 1st of August would be pulling a date out of a hat and nobody in tbe world knows what it's going to be like on the 1st of July never mind august or September
I'm no fan of babbling bumbling Boris but I really can't see how those shielding can possibly be given a date.
It's certainly a lot safer today than it was three months ago and very probably less safe than it will be in another three months but it's lives we are talking about and why should risks be taken ?
Some people can use common sense and are already going outdoors taking what precautions they see fit but others with less sense would be joining the supermarket and pub queues as soon as the government says go even though the risk remains |
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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago
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Can I just add to your note on mental well being, people should think about the people that were told incorrectly that they should be shielding and then sent a DNR to sign and return!
And that was not the government of any sort, that was local GP surgeries taking it upon themselves to add that additional stress, as a person living and working alone, with no local support system, I think that would have toppled me over the edge, we should not forget that behaviour and deal with it appropriately when it is better placed to do so but do it vocally. "
Why is this type of post continually ignored on here? Are people really that callous that they don't give a shit unless it is aimed at them?
Shame on you all!
That is all I can say, and when YOU receive a DNR incorrectly? Don't bother to post on here about it!
Because I will certainly not be a voice to back you up |
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Can I just add to your note on mental well being, people should think about the people that were told incorrectly that they should be shielding and then sent a DNR to sign and return!
And that was not the government of any sort, that was local GP surgeries taking it upon themselves to add that additional stress, as a person living and working alone, with no local support system, I think that would have toppled me over the edge, we should not forget that behaviour and deal with it appropriately when it is better placed to do so but do it vocally.
Why is this type of post continually ignored on here? Are people really that callous that they don't give a shit unless it is aimed at them?
Shame on you all!
That is all I can say, and when YOU receive a DNR incorrectly? Don't bother to post on here about it!
Because I will certainly not be a voice to back you up"
That wasn't necessary at all.
there have been lots of posts on this thread that haven't been replied to it isn't personal so let's not make it that way hey. |
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Can I just add to your note on mental well being, people should think about the people that were told incorrectly that they should be shielding and then sent a DNR to sign and return!
And that was not the government of any sort, that was local GP surgeries taking it upon themselves to add that additional stress, as a person living and working alone, with no local support system, I think that would have toppled me over the edge, we should not forget that behaviour and deal with it appropriately when it is better placed to do so but do it vocally.
Why is this type of post continually ignored on here? Are people really that callous that they don't give a shit unless it is aimed at them?
Shame on you all!
That is all I can say, and when YOU receive a DNR incorrectly? Don't bother to post on here about it!
Because I will certainly not be a voice to back you up"
I think we have spoke of this before. You prompted me to check on my Dad to see if he received one as he would keep it to himself. Luckily he didn’t I think it’s down to a postcode lottery.
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"OK thats a lot more clear.
We are happy with that.
Good
It means we can actually start to make plans and get back to some sort of normality. "
So long as you remember the risk is there it's real and will be around for a long time to come.
It's safER not safe |
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"OK thats a lot more clear.
We are happy with that.
Good
It means we can actually start to make plans and get back to some sort of normality.
So long as you remember the risk is there it's real and will be around for a long time to come.
It's safER not safe"
We are very aware |
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By *aura60Woman
over a year ago
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"But allowed to see up to 6 people from july ?
Only if you're single....
One of my children is over 18, so that rules me out. "
any one in shielding group can meet up to 6 people outside
single can form bubble with 1 household
my mother shielding
so bit similar to our rules i think that starts 1 st august |
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"But allowed to see up to 6 people from july ?
Only if you're single....
One of my children is over 18, so that rules me out. "
Sorry, read a bit more... Yes, can meet up to 6 people outdoors, but can only "bubble" if you're single |
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"But allowed to see up to 6 people from july ?
Only if you're single....
One of my children is over 18, so that rules me out. "
I can't find where it says only if you're single, it does say that for Wales though. |
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"But allowed to see up to 6 people from july ?
Only if you're single....
One of my children is over 18, so that rules me out.
Sorry, read a bit more... Yes, can meet up to 6 people outdoors, but can only "bubble" if you're single "
I can't see that bit, on the BBC it doesn't specify being single. |
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"But allowed to see up to 6 people from july ?
Only if you're single....
One of my children is over 18, so that rules me out.
Sorry, read a bit more... Yes, can meet up to 6 people outdoors, but can only "bubble" if you're single
I can't see that bit, on the BBC it doesn't specify being single."
"What changes from 6 July?
Those who are shielding and live alone in England - including single parents who are shielding - will be able to create a support bubble with one other household of any size.
This follows the 'social bubble' rules which were introduced earlier this month for anyone living alone and single-parent households.
People shielding will also be able to meet in groups of up to six outdoors while maintaining social distancing rules." |
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"But allowed to see up to 6 people from july ?
Only if you're single....
One of my children is over 18, so that rules me out.
Sorry, read a bit more... Yes, can meet up to 6 people outdoors, but can only "bubble" if you're single
I can't see that bit, on the BBC it doesn't specify being single.
Nor on ITV news. Well done Bozo an another totally pifflerly confusing message. "
Non shielding single people can only bubble with one household. Did you think it would be different for those that had been shielding |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"But allowed to see up to 6 people from july ?
Only if you're single....
One of my children is over 18, so that rules me out.
Sorry, read a bit more... Yes, can meet up to 6 people outdoors, but can only "bubble" if you're single
I can't see that bit, on the BBC it doesn't specify being single.
Nor on ITV news. Well done Bozo an another totally pifflerly confusing message. "
Ffs, it's on the .gov website, it's basically the same rules as for people not shielding. Why blame someone else for the fact you couldn't find the information with a simple google search? |
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over a year ago
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"But allowed to see up to 6 people from july ?
Only if you're single....
One of my children is over 18, so that rules me out.
Sorry, read a bit more... Yes, can meet up to 6 people outdoors, but can only "bubble" if you're single
I can't see that bit, on the BBC it doesn't specify being single.
Nor on ITV news. Well done Bozo an another totally pifflerly confusing message.
Ffs, it's on the .gov website, it's basically the same rules as for people not shielding. Why blame someone else for the fact you couldn't find the information with a simple google search?"
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May I just remind people this is just advice and not the law as long as you are sticking to the guidelines for everybody then as a shielder it is your choice.
It's not about being allowed or not allowed.
Just do what you think is right for you. |
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"May I just remind people this is just advice and not the law as long as you are sticking to the guidelines for everybody then as a shielder it is your choice.
It's not about being allowed or not allowed.
Just do what you think is right for you. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"But allowed to see up to 6 people from july ?
Only if you're single....
One of my children is over 18, so that rules me out.
Sorry, read a bit more... Yes, can meet up to 6 people outdoors, but can only "bubble" if you're single
I can't see that bit, on the BBC it doesn't specify being single."
No it doesn't and actually my understanding is the shielding people conform a bubble whether they us single or not as often support/care is needed. Well thats my GP has told me. |
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By *j48Man
over a year ago
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Use common sense, why on earth people have to wait be told what to do is beyond me..
If people are vulnerable stay in at home. One visitor / carer etc
Simple really, make you're own decision based on yior own circumstances
There's no vaccine, it won't go away.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"But allowed to see up to 6 people from july ?
Only if you're single....
One of my children is over 18, so that rules me out.
Sorry, read a bit more... Yes, can meet up to 6 people outdoors, but can only "bubble" if you're single
I can't see that bit, on the BBC it doesn't specify being single.
Nor on ITV news. Well done Bozo an another totally pifflerly confusing message.
Ffs, it's on the .gov website, it's basically the same rules as for people not shielding. Why blame someone else for the fact you couldn't find the information with a simple google search?"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Use common sense, why on earth people have to wait be told what to do is beyond me..
If people are vulnerable stay in at home. One visitor / carer etc
Simple really, make you're own decision based on yior own circumstances
There's no vaccine, it won't go away.. "
I'm very much assuming you are not a shielder?
It was the government that told people to shield, Told they were not safe to leave their house so please think before you spout off!
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By (user no longer on site)
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"But allowed to see up to 6 people from july ?
Only if you're single....
One of my children is over 18, so that rules me out.
Sorry, read a bit more... Yes, can meet up to 6 people outdoors, but can only "bubble" if you're single
I can't see that bit, on the BBC it doesn't specify being single.
No it doesn't and actually my understanding is the shielding people conform a bubble whether they us single or not as often support/care is needed. Well thats my GP has told me. "
That's the info i found aswell |
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"Use common sense, why on earth people have to wait be told what to do is beyond me..
If people are vulnerable stay in at home. One visitor / carer etc
Simple really, make you're own decision based on yior own circumstances
There's no vaccine, it won't go away.. "
Also yet again you are assuming that everyone that has been told to shield is extremely ill and pretty much housebound that is very wrong. |
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over a year ago
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"But allowed to see up to 6 people from july ?
Only if you're single....
One of my children is over 18, so that rules me out.
Sorry, read a bit more... Yes, can meet up to 6 people outdoors, but can only "bubble" if you're single
I can't see that bit, on the BBC it doesn't specify being single.
No it doesn't and actually my understanding is the shielding people conform a bubble whether they us single or not as often support/care is needed. Well thats my GP has told me.
That's the info i found aswell "
This thread is full of people giving crap, sulky advice who haven't had to live this.
They really don't understand the Pressures and stress. |
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over a year ago
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"But allowed to see up to 6 people from july ?
Only if you're single....
One of my children is over 18, so that rules me out.
Sorry, read a bit more... Yes, can meet up to 6 people outdoors, but can only "bubble" if you're single
I can't see that bit, on the BBC it doesn't specify being single.
No it doesn't and actually my understanding is the shielding people conform a bubble whether they us single or not as often support/care is needed. Well thats my GP has told me.
That's the info i found aswell "
I'll post the quote from. Gov website again, for the sake of clarity..
"What changes from 6 July?
Those who are shielding and live alone in England - including single parents who are shielding - will be able to create a support bubble with one other household of any size.
This follows the 'social bubble' rules which were introduced earlier this month for anyone living alone and single-parent households.
People shielding will also be able to meet in groups of up to six outdoors while maintaining social distancing rules." |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"But allowed to see up to 6 people from july ?
Only if you're single....
One of my children is over 18, so that rules me out.
Sorry, read a bit more... Yes, can meet up to 6 people outdoors, but can only "bubble" if you're single
I can't see that bit, on the BBC it doesn't specify being single.
No it doesn't and actually my understanding is the shielding people conform a bubble whether they us single or not as often support/care is needed. Well thats my GP has told me.
That's the info i found aswell
I'll post the quote from. Gov website again, for the sake of clarity..
"What changes from 6 July?
Those who are shielding and live alone in England - including single parents who are shielding - will be able to create a support bubble with one other household of any size.
This follows the 'social bubble' rules which were introduced earlier this month for anyone living alone and single-parent households.
People shielding will also be able to meet in groups of up to six outdoors while maintaining social distancing rules.""
Thank you but I would much prefer to listen to the advice of my GP who knows me. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Use common sense, why on earth people have to wait be told what to do is beyond me..
If people are vulnerable stay in at home. One visitor / carer etc
Simple really, make you're own decision based on yior own circumstances
There's no vaccine, it won't go away.. "
It is common sense but many workplaces make people stick to the advice given. My boss told us that all highly vunerable people have to come back to work at the begining of july, she and HR said that's what the government have said, so it is important to see the correct info ourselves.
I'm highly vunerable, have got the letter (late due to my GPs surgery f##kin it up) but I'm working, no social distancing, no PPE, i won't be paid and i will face disiplinary procedures if i don't work.
On a good note, i received a emergency food package today (while i was at work ... a neighbour took it in to stop it getting stolen), i hadn't asked for one, i'd registered for an online shopping spot ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The new guidance is available here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/plans-to-ease-guidance-for-over-2-million-shielding
It's very clear and states exactly what is allowed and for whom."
Again it's not about being allowed as we are fully grown adults. |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"The new guidance is available here:
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/plans-to-ease-guidance-for-over-2-million-shielding
It's very clear and states exactly what is allowed and for whom. Again it's not about being allowed as we are fully grown adults."
Well that's one way to look at it. |
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"But allowed to see up to 6 people from july ?
Only if you're single....
One of my children is over 18, so that rules me out.
Sorry, read a bit more... Yes, can meet up to 6 people outdoors, but can only "bubble" if you're single
I can't see that bit, on the BBC it doesn't specify being single.
No it doesn't and actually my understanding is the shielding people conform a bubble whether they us single or not as often support/care is needed. Well thats my GP has told me.
That's the info i found aswell
I'll post the quote from. Gov website again, for the sake of clarity..
"What changes from 6 July?
Those who are shielding and live alone in England - including single parents who are shielding - will be able to create a support bubble with one other household of any size.
This follows the 'social bubble' rules which were introduced earlier this month for anyone living alone and single-parent households.
People shielding will also be able to meet in groups of up to six outdoors while maintaining social distancing rules."
Thank you but I would much prefer to listen to the advice of my GP who knows me. "
Good luck with that one, they'll probably tell you it's your decision, your risk, your life.
No gp in their right mind will tell you it's safe to return to normal.
It's been said over and over and over, the virus is still there, the numbers are lower, it's safer than it was three months ago but if you were told to shield because you will die if you catch it you'll verly likely still die if you catch it.
There's more data, you can do things and take adequate precautions but at rhe end of the day it's still your risk
The new guidelines are perfectly clear and hopefully your gp will read them to you but he probably won't make an interpretation in your behalf because if he does and you catch it ........ |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"But allowed to see up to 6 people from july ?
Only if you're single....
One of my children is over 18, so that rules me out.
Sorry, read a bit more... Yes, can meet up to 6 people outdoors, but can only "bubble" if you're single
I can't see that bit, on the BBC it doesn't specify being single.
No it doesn't and actually my understanding is the shielding people conform a bubble whether they us single or not as often support/care is needed. Well thats my GP has told me.
That's the info i found aswell
I'll post the quote from. Gov website again, for the sake of clarity..
"What changes from 6 July?
Those who are shielding and live alone in England - including single parents who are shielding - will be able to create a support bubble with one other household of any size.
This follows the 'social bubble' rules which were introduced earlier this month for anyone living alone and single-parent households.
People shielding will also be able to meet in groups of up to six outdoors while maintaining social distancing rules."
Thank you but I would much prefer to listen to the advice of my GP who knows me.
Good luck with that one, they'll probably tell you it's your decision, your risk, your life.
No gp in their right mind will tell you it's safe to return to normal.
It's been said over and over and over, the virus is still there, the numbers are lower, it's safer than it was three months ago but if you were told to shield because you will die if you catch it you'll verly likely still die if you catch it.
There's more data, you can do things and take adequate precautions but at rhe end of the day it's still your risk
The new guidelines are perfectly clear and hopefully your gp will read them to you but he probably won't make an interpretation in your behalf because if he does and you catch it ........"
The GP didn't tell me that and I didn't say that so please don't make assumptions |
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"But allowed to see up to 6 people from july ?
Only if you're single....
One of my children is over 18, so that rules me out.
Sorry, read a bit more... Yes, can meet up to 6 people outdoors, but can only "bubble" if you're single
I can't see that bit, on the BBC it doesn't specify being single.
No it doesn't and actually my understanding is the shielding people conform a bubble whether they us single or not as often support/care is needed. Well thats my GP has told me.
That's the info i found aswell
I'll post the quote from. Gov website again, for the sake of clarity..
"What changes from 6 July?
Those who are shielding and live alone in England - including single parents who are shielding - will be able to create a support bubble with one other household of any size.
This follows the 'social bubble' rules which were introduced earlier this month for anyone living alone and single-parent households.
People shielding will also be able to meet in groups of up to six outdoors while maintaining social distancing rules."
Thank you but I would much prefer to listen to the advice of my GP who knows me.
Good luck with that one, they'll probably tell you it's your decision, your risk, your life.
No gp in their right mind will tell you it's safe to return to normal.
It's been said over and over and over, the virus is still there, the numbers are lower, it's safer than it was three months ago but if you were told to shield because you will die if you catch it you'll verly likely still die if you catch it.
There's more data, you can do things and take adequate precautions but at rhe end of the day it's still your risk
The new guidelines are perfectly clear and hopefully your gp will read them to you but he probably won't make an interpretation in your behalf because if he does and you catch it ........
The GP didn't tell me that and I didn't say that so please don't make assumptions "
Believe me I'm not judging you, and if you thought so please say so here.
You don't seem too clear on what you can and cannot do I was simply taking the time to tell you that just because the guidelines are changing the risk is still there.
You seem a little confused as to whether you are actually shielding so I'll say no more because you're obviously upset and need it explained by your gp. Bye bye and take care.
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over a year ago
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"But allowed to see up to 6 people from july ?
Only if you're single....
One of my children is over 18, so that rules me out.
Sorry, read a bit more... Yes, can meet up to 6 people outdoors, but can only "bubble" if you're single
I can't see that bit, on the BBC it doesn't specify being single.
No it doesn't and actually my understanding is the shielding people conform a bubble whether they us single or not as often support/care is needed. Well thats my GP has told me.
That's the info i found aswell
I'll post the quote from. Gov website again, for the sake of clarity..
"What changes from 6 July?
Those who are shielding and live alone in England - including single parents who are shielding - will be able to create a support bubble with one other household of any size.
This follows the 'social bubble' rules which were introduced earlier this month for anyone living alone and single-parent households.
People shielding will also be able to meet in groups of up to six outdoors while maintaining social distancing rules."
Thank you but I would much prefer to listen to the advice of my GP who knows me.
Good luck with that one, they'll probably tell you it's your decision, your risk, your life.
No gp in their right mind will tell you it's safe to return to normal.
It's been said over and over and over, the virus is still there, the numbers are lower, it's safer than it was three months ago but if you were told to shield because you will die if you catch it you'll verly likely still die if you catch it.
There's more data, you can do things and take adequate precautions but at rhe end of the day it's still your risk
The new guidelines are perfectly clear and hopefully your gp will read them to you but he probably won't make an interpretation in your behalf because if he does and you catch it ........
The GP didn't tell me that and I didn't say that so please don't make assumptions
Believe me I'm not judging you, and if you thought so please say so here.
You don't seem too clear on what you can and cannot do I was simply taking the time to tell you that just because the guidelines are changing the risk is still there.
You seem a little confused as to whether you are actually shielding so I'll say no more because you're obviously upset and need it explained by your gp. Bye bye and take care.
"
I'm very clear actually if you had read my posts. You then told me no doctor would have told me that so I suggest it's best if you just don't comment about my personal situation anymore please. |
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over a year ago
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"But allowed to see up to 6 people from july ?
Only if you're single....
One of my children is over 18, so that rules me out.
Sorry, read a bit more... Yes, can meet up to 6 people outdoors, but can only "bubble" if you're single
I can't see that bit, on the BBC it doesn't specify being single.
No it doesn't and actually my understanding is the shielding people conform a bubble whether they us single or not as often support/care is needed. Well thats my GP has told me.
That's the info i found aswell
I'll post the quote from. Gov website again, for the sake of clarity..
"What changes from 6 July?
Those who are shielding and live alone in England - including single parents who are shielding - will be able to create a support bubble with one other household of any size.
This follows the 'social bubble' rules which were introduced earlier this month for anyone living alone and single-parent households.
People shielding will also be able to meet in groups of up to six outdoors while maintaining social distancing rules."
Thank you but I would much prefer to listen to the advice of my GP who knows me.
Good luck with that one, they'll probably tell you it's your decision, your risk, your life.
No gp in their right mind will tell you it's safe to return to normal.
It's been said over and over and over, the virus is still there, the numbers are lower, it's safer than it was three months ago but if you were told to shield because you will die if you catch it you'll verly likely still die if you catch it.
There's more data, you can do things and take adequate precautions but at rhe end of the day it's still your risk
The new guidelines are perfectly clear and hopefully your gp will read them to you but he probably won't make an interpretation in your behalf because if he does and you catch it ........
The GP didn't tell me that and I didn't say that so please don't make assumptions
Believe me I'm not judging you, and if you thought so please say so here.
You don't seem too clear on what you can and cannot do I was simply taking the time to tell you that just because the guidelines are changing the risk is still there.
You seem a little confused as to whether you are actually shielding so I'll say no more because you're obviously upset and need it explained by your gp. Bye bye and take care.
"
And absolutely no need to patronise me.
I am fully aware of my situation.
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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There is no need for all this angst.
When you said this "No it doesn't and actually my understanding is the shielding people conform a bubble whether they us single or not as often support/care is needed. Well thats my GP has told me" I assumed your GP had told you, is that not what you meant? |
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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago
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What value is one life.
Virus hasnt gone away
Everyone acting normally before second spike in october
It appears, vulnerable people's, lives, are not valued
So what value do you put one life???
Someone mum dad grandad grandmum
Or is it I'm OK doesn't matter
So what value do you put on one life |
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By *on12xxMan
over a year ago
leeds |
What value is one life.
Virus hasnt gone away
Everyone acting normally before second spike in october
It appears, vulnerable people's, lives, are not valued
So what value do you put one life???
Someone mum dad grandad grandmum
Or is it I'm OK doesn't matter
So what value do you put on one life |
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"What value is one life.
Virus hasnt gone away
Everyone acting normally before second spike in october
It appears, vulnerable people's, lives, are not valued
So what value do you put one life???
Someone mum dad grandad grandmum
Or is it I'm OK doesn't matter
So what value do you put on one life "
Carry on Shielding then mate Anyone stopping you? |
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over a year ago
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"What value is one life.
Virus hasnt gone away
Everyone acting normally before second spike in october
It appears, vulnerable people's, lives, are not valued
So what value do you put one life???
Someone mum dad grandad grandmum
Or is it I'm OK doesn't matter
So what value do you put on one life
Carry on Shielding then mate Anyone stopping you? "
your attitude sucks mate.
I dispair of people constantly downplaying the magnitude of this. It is a PANDEMIC the first such thing in our lifetimes that we have went through. Do you think the WHO declared a PANDEMIC just for the hell of it. Do you think almost every country have went into lockdown at the expense of their economy going into the worst recession this century. Do you not realise the measures being put in place is to preserve human life. Country's like New Zealand had got their infection rate down to zero and had all but eradicated it from their shores, no it won't have went away but the general public taking it seriously and following rules has seen it controlled and under control where they can get back to normal. As long as people here have a 'fuck you mate it's every man for themselves' attitude we will never get it under control in this country, and such cavalier attitude shows a disregard for other human beings. |
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"What value is one life.
Virus hasnt gone away
Everyone acting normally before second spike in october
It appears, vulnerable people's, lives, are not valued
So what value do you put one life???
Someone mum dad grandad grandmum
Or is it I'm OK doesn't matter
So what value do you put on one life
Carry on Shielding then mate Anyone stopping you? your attitude sucks mate.
I dispair of people constantly downplaying the magnitude of this. It is a PANDEMIC the first such thing in our lifetimes that we have went through. Do you think the WHO declared a PANDEMIC just for the hell of it. Do you think almost every country have went into lockdown at the expense of their economy going into the worst recession this century. Do you not realise the measures being put in place is to preserve human life. Country's like New Zealand had got their infection rate down to zero and had all but eradicated it from their shores, no it won't have went away but the general public taking it seriously and following rules has seen it controlled and under control where they can get back to normal. As long as people here have a 'fuck you mate it's every man for themselves' attitude we will never get it under control in this country, and such cavalier attitude shows a disregard for other human beings. "
Why does my attitude suck exactly? He’s spammed it on loads of posts.
Not sure you can find a “fuck you” attitude with any of my posts or where I have downplayed the pandemic. I continue to follow the guidance given.
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It was in the sheilding advice thing you said that seemed a bit off.
I wasn't having a go at you just people in general who think this whole thing is a sham
Appologies and propabky should have read your earlier post, bus as said it was a general post I made |
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"It was in the sheilding advice thing you said that seemed a bit off.
I wasn't having a go at you just people in general who think this whole thing is a sham
Appologies and propabky should have read your earlier post, bus as said it was a general post I made"
Ok mate it’s cool. My Dad is shielding so I know how much it’s taking a toll on people. I would never belittle their experiences. |
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"But allowed to see up to 6 people from july ?
Only if you're single....
One of my children is over 18, so that rules me out.
Sorry, read a bit more... Yes, can meet up to 6 people outdoors, but can only "bubble" if you're single
I can't see that bit, on the BBC it doesn't specify being single.
No it doesn't and actually my understanding is the shielding people conform a bubble whether they us single or not as often support/care is needed. Well thats my GP has told me.
That's the info i found aswell
I'll post the quote from. Gov website again, for the sake of clarity..
"What changes from 6 July?
Those who are shielding and live alone in England - including single parents who are shielding - will be able to create a support bubble with one other household of any size.
This follows the 'social bubble' rules which were introduced earlier this month for anyone living alone and single-parent households.
People shielding will also be able to meet in groups of up to six outdoors while maintaining social distancing rules."
Thank you but I would much prefer to listen to the advice of my GP who knows me.
Good luck with that one, they'll probably tell you it's your decision, your risk, your life.
No gp in their right mind will tell you it's safe to return to normal.
It's been said over and over and over, the virus is still there, the numbers are lower, it's safer than it was three months ago but if you were told to shield because you will die if you catch it you'll verly likely still die if you catch it.
There's more data, you can do things and take adequate precautions but at rhe end of the day it's still your risk
The new guidelines are perfectly clear and hopefully your gp will read them to you but he probably won't make an interpretation in your behalf because if he does and you catch it ........
The GP didn't tell me that and I didn't say that so please don't make assumptions
Believe me I'm not judging you, and if you thought so please say so here.
You don't seem too clear on what you can and cannot do I was simply taking the time to tell you that just because the guidelines are changing the risk is still there.
You seem a little confused as to whether you are actually shielding so I'll say no more because you're obviously upset and need it explained by your gp. Bye bye and take care.
I'm very clear actually if you had read my posts. You then told me no doctor would have told me that so I suggest it's best if you just don't comment about my personal situation anymore please. "
How could I possibly comment on your personal information lol I don't even know you nor do I (or we) partcily want to.
It's a forum for debate and exchange so maybe you shouldn't discuss or issue personal information.
Anyway I tried to enlighten you regards the virus and in the vein of the topic ... Shielding and my personal views and opinions which may or may not be correct but it's a forum and I'm entitled to an opinion and hopefully that opinion might help someone understay that just because restrictions are being lifted those shielding shod still take all available precautions including if necessary staying at home until such time as a vaccine is available.
Choose to do whatever suits your risk levels
Final comment to you I'm afraid I don't really want to argue it's not healthy on a swingers forum.
Enjoy your life |
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