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By *ee121163 OP Couple
over a year ago
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Why is Scotland's death rate by far the highest of any other country? Population 5.5M deaths now over 4000! Average nearly 800 per million. Top of the charts! Shocking! Disgraceful! Embarrassing! Why?
I believe this country never had the testing kits to meet the testing capacity they said they had. That's why all care home staff and patients never got tested weeks ago despite what the government stated could now happen regardless of any covid symptoms they had! But in the past month or two I've not once heard any journalist or opposition party members asking if they had the testing kits! All I hear is why have they still not been tested why have they not been test, for government to pass the buck and blame either the care homes themselves or the local authorities. Is it just me or is it hard to get a number of staff and patients for each care home in Scotland, then knowing this, each local councils could send out delivery vans daily to drop off and uplift kits for every care home in there area.
Please tell me if I'm wrong or if any of what I say makes sense.
Ps. Sorry for any spelling mistakes.
Please take care and stay safe! Until! Who knows! |
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"Where are you getting your data from? The official figure is around 2500 deaths in scotland as I understand it "
ONS. your figure is the positive test death figure, OP figure includes the tested and non tested covid-19 listed on the death certificate |
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"Where are you getting your data from? The official figure is around 2500 deaths in scotland as I understand it
ONS. your figure is the positive test death figure, OP figure includes the tested and non tested covid-19 listed on the death certificate "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Firstly, the ONS total may be misleading. By counting deaths where Covid was 'mentioned on the death certificate' as deaths caused BY Covid you can't be sure that all those people died FROM Covid.
Also, most international stats only include lab confirmed covid cases, a totally different (and lower) measure.
You also need to consider the demographics of Scotland's population - age, health etc. which can also affect the result.
In general the death rate here appears higher (that is equally true south of the border) but the reason for that is not yet clear and won't be until a globally agreed standard for designating a death as beihg from Covid is agreed and much more work has been done on the resulting data.
It's overly simplistic to say 'More tests, less deaths' or 'later lockdown caused it' - the truth is we actually don't have reliable data with which to make international comparisons right now.
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I'd be surprised if it weren't something to do with how care homes, their staff and residents were overlooked in the initial phase of the lockdown.
I don't have a problem with prioritising what PPE there actually was, for NHS use; but there wasn't enough - anywhere in the UK - leading to a gap the virus was bound to fill. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"England gets supplied first
Then Wales
Then Scotland
Then Northern Ireland
Did you think they viewed you as equal?"
do you have proof this is the case? Or is this just your opinion? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'd be surprised if it weren't something to do with how care homes, their staff and residents were overlooked in the initial phase of the lockdown.
I don't have a problem with prioritising what PPE there actually was, for NHS use; but there wasn't enough - anywhere in the UK - leading to a gap the virus was bound to fill."
Given the high proportion of elderly & vulnerable people within that environment and clear evidence that the virus disproportionately affects the elderly and vulnerable I can't disagree with you.
Quite why we ended up so short of PPE is a question both the UK and the Scottish governments will eventually have to answer - I personally can't see any excuse as the PPE for Covid is exactly the same as the PPE for Influenza, a pandemic we've supposedly been prepared for for years! |
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"England gets supplied first
Then Wales
Then Scotland
Then Northern Ireland
Did you think they viewed you as equal?"
The two companies making most of the tests (Randox Laboratories and Biopanda Reagents in Bekfast) have both said they are fulfilling orders in the order that they were placed. England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have all placed their own orders for tests.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Health services, testing, PPE whatever....are all devolved matters.. if Scotland have lower testing then deaths confirmed by test is bound to be lower tgat true level.
ONS deaths by "mentioning" on death certs will be too high as some of these are just a quick guess.
True stats will possibly never be known.
Maybe excess deaths is best measure but very few, if any, other countries are publishing these. The idea of judging countries by comparison and "league" tables is innacurate, premature and quite frankly abhorrent. |
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By *uboCouple
over a year ago
East kilbride |
"There leader simple in my books god help Scotland if she ever leads them as an independant nation"
Would certainly prefer her as opposed to the dithering clueless liar of a buffoon you lot have. Thats for sure |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There leader simple in my books god help Scotland if she ever leads them as an independant nation
Would certainly prefer her as opposed to the dithering clueless liar of a buffoon you lot have. Thats for sure"
Absolutely |
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By *exy7Man
over a year ago
Bristol |
One thing that's hardly mentioned about this debate is health. We keep comparing deaths rates between countries but how often have you heard obesity in this country mentioned?
Too many people in this country are overweight or obese. One thing that shocks me the most is nurses. I have lived in Germany and Italy for long periods of time. I never (or hardly) came up a fat nurse in these countries. Since the covid-19 crisis started we have seen countless nurses on TV. Is it just me or are at least 50% of them fat? And why is it the case? I would have thought that nurses should lead by example and be reasonably fit?
The same goes for the rest of the population. Coach drivers in the UK are pretty much all fat. Not really on the continent.
With the virus being more dangerous for overweight people, no wonder the UK has more victims. And although I love Scotland to bits (I go there every summer  the Scots are in worse health than down south.
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"Is it just me or are at least 50% of them fat? And why is it the case? I would have thought that nurses should lead by example and be reasonably fit?
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It's not just you:
https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/7/12/e018498
However, one reason is that shift workers in general will struggle to stay as healthy as non-shift workers, especially if they have to do night shifts. |
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