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Schools what a mess

By *exy7 OP Man over a year ago

Bristol

I am watching Newsnight that is dedicated to schools tonight. This is another area this gvt has messed big time. These guys couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. Children have missed three months of their education and we're still a long way from a solution. Pathetic.

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By *andymanpaulMan over a year ago

Wiltshire

Totally agree - stepson in year 10 and hardly given any work. School now 1 day a week for about 4 hours

GCSE'S to do next year!

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By *ady LickWoman over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

It is a sorry situation. My heart hurts for the children of today. I have 3, 2 who are at secondary, one was supposed to sit his gcses the other in year 9 who is missing her friends.

I had an email from the school saying that atm they are unsure how September will work. I haven't told them yet, I think it will cause more upset which they are not ready for.

I should have watched Newsnight grrrrr

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

The teachers need to take more responsibility they are a discrace.

They do not seem to care about the children

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By *uriousTwosomeCouple over a year ago

Manchester

Been involved with schools for a while; the biggest issue is the schools want autonomy, when it suits, but when they need to use brains to sort themselves out like each individual private business, they are bleating and blaming the government for not spoon feeding every answer.

Teachers are no more at risk from going to WORK, than any other JOB... but unions are fighting for their members and hindering a return to schooling! They admitted on Radio4 that all they were interested in is getting the best deal for their paying members and have sought to frustrate a return by refusing to work worth the government departments to ‘find a way’

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

15yr old.. 45 to 2hrs daily.. She's grade A student but falling behind could affect her life chances.. Gcses next yr

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The teachers need to take more responsibility they are a discrace.

They do not seem to care about the children"

Why is It the teachers fault? Have you heard off Gavin Williamson?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The teachers need to take more responsibility they are a discrace.

They do not seem to care about the children"

That's so unfair. Teachers care deeply about their pupils and their schools.

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By *moothdickMan over a year ago

stoke

Did I hear right that some kids haven’t had work set for them due to the under privileged kids, who don’t have laptops etc at home not been able to access the lessons.. is that right that all kids should suffer because some haven’t got the resources?

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By *ady LickWoman over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

"The teachers need to take more responsibility they are a discrace.

They do not seem to care about the children

That's so unfair. Teachers care deeply about their pupils and their schools. "

Agree! I've never met a teacher who didn't put their students first (well maybe one)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Did I hear right that some kids haven’t had work set for them due to the under privileged kids, who don’t have laptops etc at home not been able to access the lessons.. is that right that all kids should suffer because some haven’t got the resources? "

That’s bull shit

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By *teveuk77Man over a year ago

"The teachers need to take more responsibility they are a discrace.

They do not seem to care about the children"

The teachers who taught you certainly were a 'discrace'...as is your comment.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The teachers need to take more responsibility they are a discrace.

They do not seem to care about the children

The teachers who taught you certainly were a 'discrace'...as is your comment.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My lil one missing her friends like crazy, but thanks to technology talks to them everyday. She was achieving a higher level than the targets for her year so hoping that she won’t have too much trouble catching back up again.

The problem we have is we’re an English speaking household but she attends a Welsh speaking school. Return to school has been put back by another two weeks to July now, but she has been set homework by her school and her teacher has called her and her peers a couple of times to see how they’re coping.

Been lovely to hear her excitedly chatting away in Welsh to her. I can’t find any fault with her school or her teachers, they’re simply abiding by guidelines set by the Welsh Government and to some extent the unions.

It could just be I’m lucky that she attends a village school, so it’s easier for the teachers to offer support. I feel for the children, and the staff, of larger schools.

Viv x

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By *ady LickWoman over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

OP when it finished could give an over view of what's been discussed. Tia!!

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By *asmeenTV/TS over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

"The teachers need to take more responsibility they are a discrace.

They do not seem to care about the children"

Try being a teacher

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By *ockandrollaMan over a year ago

Birmingham

What this basically comes down to is the social distancing rule , if that was lifted and when it’s lifted the schools will and can go back but until there there hands are tied to what they can and can’t do

The other week when the government announced they wanted some kids back before the end of the summer term the media was awash with parents going mad saying they wouldn’t be sending their kids back and been at risk

Now it’s announced that will not prob happen now what happens the media’s awash with parents saying it’s a disgrace and they need to go back

The media have a lot to answer for for stiring up tensions and people’s anxiety levels

I agreed teachers and heads care passionately about there pupils and education and I have a child so I do known

It’s jist a sad affair when kids can get education but footballers are now playing and breaking all the recommended social distancing rules etc

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

It’s jist a sad affair when kids can get education but footballers are now playing and breaking all the recommended social distancing rules etc "

Funny how the more people that break the rules, the lower the case numbers and deaths get.

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By *agneto.Man over a year ago

Bham

There's only a finite number of rooms in the building. To distance over 1000 students across school is just impossible for most school.

It's not the teachers fault.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's scandalous the way fear has been allowed to overrule both evidence and common sense.

There is absolutely no evidence that schools play any significant roll in spreading covid-19 and nothing to support the highly disruptive restrictions that are being forced on them.

A May 6th report from Edinburgh University states 'Despite librarian-supported duplicate searches by experienced reviewers, no high quality studies directly addressing the study question were identified. There is very limited evidence of transmission of SARS-COV-2 from children (based on a case report where there was COVID-19 confirmed transmission from one child to family members in China)"

I'd post the link but apparently it's not allowed (you can find it by google).

So, no evidence of transmission and no serious study yet a torrent of fear and mindless regulations destroying children's educations.

Farcical.

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By *uHorny1Man over a year ago

Cannock

"The teachers need to take more responsibility they are a discrace.

They do not seem to care about the children"

Utter, utter bullshit.

The teachers I know are working bloody hard. My sister is currently in school every day and then coming home to prepare distanced learning activities to post online for those children that parents are keeping at home.

During lockdown she was working all day and then evenings on home learning. She has had to adapt to using new technologies and constantly thinking outside the box to do the best possible job in the circumstances. Often these efforts have been for nothing while furloughed parents and those "working" from home gave up after 30 mins and went out to enjoy the summer sun. (I know this situation doesn't apply to all parents but there are plenty to who it does) So don't you dare lay the blame for this with the teachers.

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By *andymanpaulMan over a year ago

Wiltshire

That does appear to be the case. Plus some parents just letting their kids go out with mates (pre 6 person rule)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

School in Kent was closed today as a pupil tested positive for the virus. It is rarer for kids to become ill with it but they can carry it.

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By *exy7 OP Man over a year ago

Bristol

One thing is certain, in my experience teachers have worked hard since the start of all this. They have had to do a lot of things that parents are not aware of. Predicting grades for year 11s and 13s whose results awarded their results according to their teachers' recommendations. This was not done in 10 mins. There were numerous online meetings to achieve this. A friend of mine told me that he spent at least 30 hours to sort this out for the GCSE Maths results and about 10 hours for his A Level results.

I can't complain about the work we have received from teachers. If anything, it was too much.

Some parents seem to forget that a lot of these teachers have got to look after their own children in school and teach them too. There was a time when every school teacher was issued with a school laptop to work from home. This is one of the first things the tories got rid off when they got in. This is problematic for teachers who are sharing computers with their partner or their children.

Teachers are an easy target. There are a lot of vacancies in the teaching profession but for some reason the people who slag them off and accuse them of having a cushy life don't seem to be interested in joining in. These people would probably be eaten alive within 20 mins.

I personally blame the gvt. No leadership whatsoever. Lack of consultation especially.

And If I were a teacher I certainly wouldn't do anything to help this gvt. I would do my best for the kids but why should teachers get out of their way to bail out the tories on this? These clowns have given them pretty much a pay freeze for 10 years, have slashed school budgets and have reduced drastically funding for teaching assistants as well as privatizing the state schools (academisation is a disaster).

Finally, our local school has lost 15 of its 25 teaching assistants. They are the people who help the kids with learning difficulties. So when you hear these clowns tell us that they care about the vulnerable children, I laugh my head off. Since when do the tories care of the kids who struggle? They have generated more poverty than any other gvt. We even need football players to make them have the decency to carry on with free school meals this summer. What a bunch of hypocrits.

Let's hope that a solution is found.

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By *exy7 OP Man over a year ago

Bristol

"OP when it finished could give an over view of what's been discussed. Tia!!

I have just given my opinion above.

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By *asmeenTV/TS over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

"The teachers need to take more responsibility they are a discrace.

They do not seem to care about the children

Utter, utter bullshit.

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By *exy7 OP Man over a year ago

Bristol

Yes that made me cringe. Another broken promise by the gvt. They said at the very start of all this that vulnerable kids would be given laptops. Well, it's a bit like PPE and everything else. They haven't materialised.

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By *asmeenTV/TS over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

"I am watching Newsnight that is dedicated to schools tonight. This is another area this gvt has messed big time. These guys couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. Children have missed three months of their education and we're still a long way from a solution. Pathetic. "

Could you do any better?

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By *exy7 OP Man over a year ago

Bristol

Could you do any better?"

Yes.

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By *asmeenTV/TS over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

Could you do any better?

Yes. "

So try teachers work very hard

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By *exy7 OP Man over a year ago

Bristol

Could you do any better?

Yes.

So try teachers work very hard "

Are you a joke or what? Have you read my post above? I have been banging on the fact that teachers are fantastic but this gvt is a farce. Please read people's messages before pointing the finger...

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By *ookie46Woman over a year ago

Deepest darkest Peru

We have tablets and a laptop but my oldest daughters school have posted paper copies of all work set online. They couldn’t have done anymore.

My youngest child’s school provided tablets to those children who needed them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The teachers need to take more responsibility they are a discrace.

They do not seem to care about the children

That's so unfair. Teachers care deeply about their pupils and their schools. "

My sister is a secondary school teacher and is struggling to get the kids to do any work, let alone even turn up for the zoom meetings, and when they do they turn their cameras and mics off or pretend they have Internet issues and can't join. She has phoned round multiple times to all of their parents and none of them seem to give a shit or even know what is going with their kids. One of them even asked her to call back as his son doesn't get out of bed until 3pm! Even her A Level students who are wanting to go to uni next year are just totally slacking off. Don't blame the teachers, they are trying their best to work with the situation.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The solution is... Kids old enough need to be proactive and learn. So many resources available. Those that do will do well. Those that don't won't. Parents with kids too young to be proactive, let them play or school them as best you can. It's not rocket science. I wish people didn't have such a dependence to be spoon fed everything. Will we be known as the spoon fed generation?

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By *exy7 OP Man over a year ago

Bristol

We have tablets and a laptop but my oldest daughters school have posted paper copies of all work set online. They couldn’t have done anymore.

My youngest child’s school provided tablets to those children who needed them "

Good to hear. Our local school still hasn't received anything.

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By *asmeenTV/TS over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

Could you do any better?

Yes.

So try teachers work very hard

Are you a joke or what? Have you read my post above? I have been banging on the fact that teachers are fantastic but this gvt is a farce. Please read people's messages before pointing the finger... "

Didnt see that sorry no I'm not a joke rude

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My daughter finds it really hard to study at home for very long periods with no support, she gets stressed and angry. I’ve told her not to worry.

Had a phone call today from her school saying she will be behind and really needs to catch up, I wasn’t happy at all. It’s not her fault she needs the stimulation of a class room to learn. Teacher was very unsupportive.

My son is very lucky as he’s really above average but not every child is that lucky.

Children will be known as the covid generation of kids

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By *exy7 OP Man over a year ago

Bristol

Could you do any better?

Yes.

So try teachers work very hard

Are you a joke or what? Have you read my post above? I have been banging on the fact that teachers are fantastic but this gvt is a farce. Please read people's messages before pointing the finger...

Didnt see that sorry no I'm not a joke rude"

OK no problem. Didn't mean to offend.

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By *asmeenTV/TS over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

Could you do any better?

Yes.

So try teachers work very hard

Are you a joke or what? Have you read my post above? I have been banging on the fact that teachers are fantastic but this gvt is a farce. Please read people's messages before pointing the finger...

Didnt see that sorry no I'm not a joke rude

OK no problem. Didn't mean to offend.

Ok xx

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By *andymanpaulMan over a year ago

Wiltshire

I should add to my comments that I think some schools are better than others. Some are doing zoom/teams classrooms, and properly scheduling work

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

If that chap had to pay a £120 fine for taking his kid to Disneyland during term time for 1 week. How much are the parents due from the government for 3 months of this bullshit?

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By *oncupiscence73Woman over a year ago

South

I’m a teacher I work part time ive worked my whole week’s hours today - just finished at 12.30am. I’m bleeding through the eyes - thanks to comments like some people on here I've resigned ... be careful what you wish for hundreds like men won’t be there to teach your kids in September ... sick of the abuse

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By *oncupiscence73Woman over a year ago

South

*me

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By *agneto.Man over a year ago

Bham

"One thing is certain, in my experience teachers have worked hard since the start of all this. They have had to do a lot of things that parents are not aware of. Predicting grades for year 11s and 13s whose results awarded their results according to their teachers' recommendations. This was not done in 10 mins. There were numerous online meetings to achieve this. A friend of mine told me that he spent at least 30 hours to sort this out for the GCSE Maths results and about 10 hours for his A Level results.

I can't complain about the work we have received from teachers. If anything, it was too much.

I personally blame the gvt. No leadership whatsoever. Lack of consultation especially.

Let's hope that a solution is found.

Hear hear. Absolutely spot on.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The teachers need to take more responsibility they are a discrace.

They do not seem to care about the children"

Would you expect the checkout operator in Tesco to be planning their pandemic response? Or even the store manager? Or would you assume head office would do it?

What about the guy on the tills in McDonalds? Or the store manager? Or would you think that their head office would make a plan?

Given that the obvious answer to both of those is “head office” why on earth would you assume that teachers, who work under Head Teachers, education authorities and, ultimately, the government, are the ones making the bacj-to-school policies?

It’s like idiots yelling at nurses for the policies of the NHS. It’s ridiculous, short-sighted and shows a serious lack of critical thinking.

There was already a teacher retention crisis. God only knows how bad that’s going to be after this

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

The fact some children will not be inside a classroom for 6 months is a disgrace . Shame on all parties who would not work constructively. A large percentage of children will endure educational poverty.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman over a year ago

South

"The fact some children will not be inside a classroom for 6 months is a disgrace . Shame on all parties who would not work constructively. A large percentage of children will endure educational poverty. "

I look forward to you filling the gap when hundreds of vacancies are advertised in September ....... plenty of opportunity for you to put your money where your mouth is.

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

See comments above...

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

"The teachers need to take more responsibility they are a discrace.

They do not seem to care about the children"

I think you'll find it's the government, not others, who have failed dismally to plan.

It's yet another in pretty much every single stage of this awful mess that they have repeatedly done the wrong thing. They fail to plan, they fail to consult, they make the wrong assumptions, they generally fail to understand what the real world is like. The world of ordinary people, the world of real work, the world of people who make great sacrifices for their family, their communities, their pupils, their patients etc.

There are accomplished people all over the country, people who are dedicated to the best for others, the types of people who have given their lives trying to help others. A bloated egotistical fraudster given a golden privilege of the best education, which could only polish a turd, is the stinking mess that is the charlatan making things ever more atrocious for millions. There's plenty more to come as the stupid voted for or support the approach taken, irrespective of the outcome.

Our young people should not be forced to suffer what will affect them for life, degrading their chances. They may be more resistant to the virus but not from having their educational development trashed, just because some don't care about them enough, if at all.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

Makes absolutely no sense to point the finger of blame at anyone else other than those who actively used the situation.

Other countries were already at the stage of children returning to the classrooms while the U.K. was gripped by fear and scaremongering from those who had little or no evidence to back up the purported claims that somehow it wasn’t safe for U.K. teachers to return to the classrooms.

Sadly the government gave way .

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By *oncupiscence73Woman over a year ago

South

"Makes absolutely no sense to point the finger of blame at anyone else other than those who actively used the situation.

Sadly the government gave way ."

The UK guidelines were nowhere near as robust as other counties the classrooms in this country are nowhere near as big and able to cope with the social distancing required. Teachers were and are not allowed to wear PPE nor are they allowed to socially distance from pupils .. tell me the country that treated their teachers like that.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Makes absolutely no sense to point the finger of blame at anyone else other than those who actively used the situation.

Sadly the government gave way .

The drive to school is riskier for the kids than being in the classroom. There's not a single case of a child infecting an adult. What would the teachers be wearing PPE for or socially distancing from, other than each other!?

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By *oncupiscence73Woman over a year ago

South

"Makes absolutely no sense to point the finger of blame at anyone else other than those who actively used the situation.

Sadly the government gave way .

I personally know 7 people that have been infected by keyworker children ... and no the teachers didn’t go shopping or anywhere else. No evidence of transmission isn’t the same as evidence of no transmission. So you don’t expect anyone to wear masks inside buildings then? Nor on public transport? I assume you’re against PPE in general then if you don’t think teachers need it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Makes absolutely no sense to point the finger of blame at anyone else other than those who actively used the situation.

Sadly the government gave way ."

Other countries had enough space and staff to bring their children back in small groups

Our underfunded schools have neither the space nor the staff

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By *oncupiscence73Woman over a year ago

South

"Makes absolutely no sense to point the finger of blame at anyone else other than those who actively used the situation.

Sadly the government gave way .

... my best friend his daughter was at school he is a nurse he was symptomatic and tested positive child brought home from school no symptoms tested positive (child is 6) ... 3 classmates tested positive and the teacher..... within a week children all symptomatic

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Makes absolutely no sense to point the finger of blame at anyone else other than those who actively used the situation.

Sadly the government gave way .

No I'm not against PPE in general, actually I wear it when shopping. It doesn't particularly bother me if teachers do or don't wear it. It bothers me more that the insanely low risks of this virus are being used are a bargaining chip whilst our economy is the worst its ever been. You seriously think anyone is going to have trouble recruiting in September. Half the people on furlough are unemployed, they just don't know it yet.

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By *avidnsa69Man over a year ago

Essex

"The teachers need to take more responsibility they are a discrace.

They do not seem to care about the children"

Here's some homework for you to do:

A school has 300 pupils. 10 classrooms, 10 teachers, Class size 30

Government directive 2m distancing thus maximum class size 15 max

How many classrooms and how many teachers will be needed to teach all pupils at the same time while following the government's guidelines?

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By *oncupiscence73Woman over a year ago

South

"Makes absolutely no sense to point the finger of blame at anyone else other than those who actively used the situation.

Sadly the government gave way .

Ahhh so you’re actually talking about money not children’s education and people’s safety.

You can’t just teach you have to actually be qualified to teach .... furloughed people unless they are teachers that have left the profession won’t actually be qualified ...

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By *amesoflondonMan over a year ago

London

"Makes absolutely no sense to point the finger of blame at anyone else other than those who actively used the situation.

Sadly the government gave way .

Ahhh so you’re actually talking about money not children’s education and people’s safety.

You can’t just teach you have to actually be qualified to teach .... furloughed people unless they are teachers that have left the profession won’t actually be qualified ... "

Mic ?? drop

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

U.K. schools and teachers are no different to the other 22 EU countries schools and teachers that have managed to get children back into the classrooms.

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Makes absolutely no sense to point the finger of blame at anyone else other than those who actively used the situation.

Sadly the government gave way .

Ahhh so you’re actually talking about money not children’s education and people’s safety.

You can’t just teach you have to actually be qualified to teach .... furloughed people unless they are teachers that have left the profession won’t actually be qualified ... "

The contradiction in your statement is unbelievable. There's no clear distinction between money, poverty, health and education. How a teacher could possibly not know the links boggles my mind.

What education are you even talking about, the one the kids haven't been getting for the last 3 months? Don't talk to me about safety whilst 60,000 people rack up undiagnosed cancer because of the hysteria from people like you.

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By *rFunBoyMan over a year ago

Longridge

"The teachers need to take more responsibility they are a discrace.

They do not seem to care about the children

That's so unfair. Teachers care deeply about their pupils and their schools. "

Do they?

Our local school has teachers working one week in four - claiming organising curriculum for the 3 weeks "jolly".

They have not made any forward effort to contact any if the kids who are absent to ask about welfare and make contact to show support.

Agree with OP, it is a f'king disgrace how it has been left to teachers to patch together 'freebies' and demo oacks from normally chargeable online prividers, then whilst threatening the BBC licence fee, put it on them to try to provide some kind of nationilised education.

That idiot of an Edcucation Secretary needs to get his finger from out his backside and his tongue from BJ's ring and form some kind of national at-home edcuation formula.

Currently, no two schools are the same in what they offer, variation is chronically zilch to admiral ifferings, it depends on the school and how proactive the individual teachers per year group are.

Many, many children are going to be disadvantaged by the lack of and variation of response that again, the less well off will take the brunt of thier failures.

Goverment should have stepped in nationwide with harmonised curriculum, education videos, information and learning packs and helped and supported schools getting online lessons up and running.

I know many parents who have simply given up home schooling as impossible.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman over a year ago

South

"Makes absolutely no sense to point the finger of blame at anyone else other than those who actively used the situation.

Sadly the government gave way .

Ahhh so you’re actually talking about money not children’s education and people’s safety.

You can’t just teach you have to actually be qualified to teach .... furloughed people unless they are teachers that have left the profession won’t actually be qualified ...

The contradiction in your statement is unbelievable. There's no clear distinction between money, poverty, health and education. How a teacher could possibly not know the links boggles my mind.

You’ve made your point... you want childcare so you can get back to work. I’ve nothing more to add .... educating the children has nothing to do with you’re reasoning. Undiagnosed cancer is nothing to do with schools being not fit for purpose you know ... you make no sense. Explain the links you’re making in your mind are teachers now responsible for the whole lot?

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By *oncupiscence73Woman over a year ago

South

*your

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

"Makes absolutely no sense to point the finger of blame at anyone else other than those who actively used the situation.

Sadly the government gave way .

Ahhh so you’re actually talking about money not children’s education and people’s safety.

You can’t just teach you have to actually be qualified to teach .... furloughed people unless they are teachers that have left the profession won’t actually be qualified ...

The contradiction in your statement is unbelievable. There's no clear distinction between money, poverty, health and education. How a teacher could possibly not know the links boggles my mind.

You aren't educating the children and haven't been for 3 months now. That's why this thread exists.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"U.K. schools and teachers are no different to the other 22 EU countries schools and teachers that have managed to get children back into the classrooms.

The Uk has the highest class size average in Europe. It also has one of the worst teacher-pupil ratios in Europe.

Both of those facts are a major issue in getting children back to school

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By *oncupiscence73Woman over a year ago

South

"Makes absolutely no sense to point the finger of blame at anyone else other than those who actively used the situation.

Sadly the government gave way .

Ahhh so you’re actually talking about money not children’s education and people’s safety.

You can’t just teach you have to actually be qualified to teach .... furloughed people unless they are teachers that have left the profession won’t actually be qualified ...

The contradiction in your statement is unbelievable. There's no clear distinction between money, poverty, health and education. How a teacher could possibly not know the links boggles my mind.

You aren't educating the children and haven't been for 3 months now. That's why this thread exists. "
. ....... you’re not answering my questions clearly have your own agenda. Let me ask you about the work you’ve been doing for the last three months care to justify your salary to me? No? Then why do you expect me to justify myself to you? I have been doing exactly was has been directed by leaders and the idiot government as I would guess you have to.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman over a year ago

South

"Makes absolutely no sense to point the finger of blame at anyone else other than those who actively used the situation.

Sadly the government gave way .

Ahhh so you’re actually talking about money not children’s education and people’s safety.

You can’t just teach you have to actually be qualified to teach .... furloughed people unless they are teachers that have left the profession won’t actually be qualified ...

The contradiction in your statement is unbelievable. There's no clear distinction between money, poverty, health and education. How a teacher could possibly not know the links boggles my mind.

You aren't educating the children and haven't been for 3 months now. That's why this thread exists. "

This thread exists because we have a useless government that did too little too late and we now have no chance of tracking where the virus now is and people are frustrated and looking for scapegoats as they’ve had enough of spending all day with their own kids.

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By *rFunBoyMan over a year ago

Longridge

Further, as many kids cannot access to laptops. How difficult would it have been for the government to open Freeview and FreeSat channels dedicated to education, one channel per year group as they did for the London Olympics and other major events thus removing need for internet access.

They could have done a lot more than dump it on schools to try and pick up the pieces.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman over a year ago

South

I’ve had enough of this thread now so I’m out .... blame the government not the teachers.

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By *asmeenTV/TS over a year ago

STOKE ON TRENT

"I’ve had enough of this thread now so I’m out .... blame the government not the teachers. "

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By *avidnsa69Man over a year ago

Essex

"Makes absolutely no sense to point the finger of blame at anyone else other than those who actively used the situation.

Sadly the government gave way .

Ahhh so you’re actually talking about money not children’s education and people’s safety.

You can’t just teach you have to actually be qualified to teach .... furloughed people unless they are teachers that have left the profession won’t actually be qualified ...

The contradiction in your statement is unbelievable. There's no clear distinction between money, poverty, health and education. How a teacher could possibly not know the links boggles my mind.

You aren't educating the children and haven't been for 3 months now. That's why this thread exists. "

So all teachers are sitting on their arses doing bugger all are they? What absolute twaddle. You're either being a WUM or are several sandwiches short of a picnic...or possibly both

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

It's more that we've had enough of people who don't even do a high risk job, whinging about it, whilst others just soldier on. You literally get to work with the lowest risk group in society and you're acting like care home workers or NHS staff.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

You do realise that individual teachers don’t make the rules, right?

They can only do what the government and their bosses tell them to do.

It was Gavin Williamson and the government who suspended the curriculum, closed schools and faffed about making guidelines that have changed 50-60 times in a few weeks

Not Miss Smith or Mr Jones who’ve worked their arses off trying to do the best they can in the parameters they’ve been given

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Teachers can’t win. Some are getting shit for setting too much work. Some are getting shit for not enough.

Some are getting shit for not calling pupils to check on them, but some are getting shit for being intrusive and too full on.

They’re getting shafted by a government that doesn’t know its arse from its elbow

If the government had given schools money to hire extra staff (maybe the TAs and classroom assistants they’ve all had to get rid of in the last few years...) and extra spaces then kids would be back at school.

They’ve chucked money at every sector except education.

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By *avidnsa69Man over a year ago

Essex

Some of us are really fed up of ill informed sniping from people who havent the first idea of how schools operate, what's actually happening in schools at the moment and fail to grasp the fact that the guidelines, set by our government, preclude schools from being able to return to normality. What bit of the contradictory relationship between social distancing rules and school accommodation and staffing is proving so hard for you to understand?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The teachers need to take more responsibility they are a discrace.

They do not seem to care about the children

That's so unfair. Teachers care deeply about their pupils and their schools.

Thankfully my daughter is smashing all her school work online from 7am every morning and is generally done in 4 hours or so. She attends in every Zoom meeting and She's constantly being awarded merits daily for her quality of work and has received 2 post cards from teachers in the post to say how well she's doing on top of 2 phone calls from the head of year to inform us how well she's doing.

On the other hand the majority of her class mates do not do even 50% of set work and attend no zoom meetings.

All the teachers have replied to any emails my daughter has sent enquiring about the work within 20 mins.

Every parent also has access to the Class Charts app which logs every piece of set school work their child gets set, it's completion date, marks, comments and any merits awarded by the teacher but it looks like many parents don't seem to give a toss about this if their kids are constantly failing to do the assigned work.

If anyone is failing, in my experience it's the parents.

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By *manda63Woman over a year ago

Southampton

Secondary schools not only need the teachers back too, to enable it to run properly, they need to get it deep cleaned first and if the children require food (possibly hot meal), if the numbers are high enough, then the catering staff need to be brought back too. Social distancing will be a big problem

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By *y Favorite PornstarCouple over a year ago

Basingstoke

You do realise that individual teachers don’t make the rules, right?

They can only do what the government and their bosses tell them to do.

It was Gavin Williamson and the government who suspended the curriculum, closed schools and faffed about making guidelines that have changed 50-60 times in a few weeks

Not Miss Smith or Mr Jones who’ve worked their arses off trying to do the best they can in the parameters they’ve been given "

I'm responding to specific things that we're said in this thread, by a teacher, about the supposed risks. I'm also very critical of the governments covid19 handling. Very very critical.

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By *r1982Man over a year ago

Swansea

Some of the posts here are laughable. Clearly from people that have never worked in a school, but they seem to know how to run one better and teach better than people that actually do just that.

Schools had the same anount of notice they were closing as the public, in that amount of time they were expected to completely change the way kids work and change the way the staff work.

If your child is being provided wor of any sort, consider yourself lucky.

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By *r1982Man over a year ago

Swansea

*work of any sort.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The teachers need to take more responsibility they are a discrace.

They do not seem to care about the children

That's so unfair. Teachers care deeply about their pupils and their schools.

On the other hand the majority of her class mates do not do even 50% of set work and attend no zoom meetings.

All the teachers have replied to any emails my daughter has sent enquiring about the work within 20 mins.

If anyone is failing, in my experience it's the parents. "

Very narrow minded point of view. Some parents have 2,3 children work full time and aren’t equipped to be teachers as such. Not everyone is the same , not everyone’s home situation is the same. Some children have no internet or access to a laptop. Some children find it very difficult and stressful to study at hone with no table to study on maybe or the correct stimuli.

Don’t always judge the parents.

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By *alandNitaCouple over a year ago

Scunthorpe

I work in education (secondary), so I know first hand what My School has been doing and the problems that were faced.

The first issue that schools had was that we had no advanced warning that the schools were closing. Boris said one day "It's not time to close schools" then the next "I'm shutting schools now" We found out through the news just like the parents did.. no direct contact from the DFE, and no idea how long we were closed for.

To make the situations worse, there was no GUIDANCE as to what was expected of us whilst the school was closed. Just a series of "Public Press Conference" announcements which we had to try to figure out a way of complying with.

As a school, we have been providing work for ALL Students to complete, in addition to running a full timetable of "Zoom" video lessons. Students and teachers are in constant contact via email, and tutors ring Every Member of our tutor group on a weekly basis. We have repurposed a dozen laptops for students with no computer and those who have No Internet Access come to the school to pick up a pack of printed work for the week. The Teachers consistently tell me that they feel they are working as hard as they do when the school is open. I personally have been in school EVERY DAY to maintain the provision for "Key Workers Kids & Venerable Kids"... which didn't stop for Half Term or Bank Holidays.

We would all love for the school to be open as normal but whilst social distancing is a thing that's just not feasible. To be able to space the students at 2m in a classroom, we are limited to 10 per room. This means we need THREE TIMES as many Class Rooms and THREE TIMES as many Teachers... There is already a Teacher Shortage.

Cal

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I work in education (secondary), so I know first hand what My School has been doing and the problems that were faced.

Cal"

Completely agree. I’m a governor at a school and we have put in place measures to allow key workers children to attend and teachers are working hard to do online classes and more importantly set grades for GCSE and A Levels (a task they wouldn’t normally do and one that is more difficult than it sounds).

One of the major problems is that we haven’t had any national guidelines like other workplaces and more importantly we have no budget for any of this. As for mobile classrooms there are enough for every school to create socially distanced classrooms.

Teachers want to go back, but it has to be done correctly

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The teachers need to take more responsibility they are a discrace.

They do not seem to care about the children"

What a shitty thing to say! Do you know what the teachers are doing right now?? They are still delivering learning in a way they have never before and it is not them who shut the schools! I bet you are a Daily Mail reader!

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple over a year ago

Falkirk

Well my youngest went back last week and I can’t praise the school or the staff enough.

The hard work that has been put in to make sure everything aligns with the regulations is to be applauded.

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By *on12xxMan over a year ago

leeds

Schools sad but health more important.

Kids can spread therefore ig go to scholl can bring back to parents mrenys who may die not worth risk

If shielding parents or grandparents it more likely kill them if the catch it.

Health first. Sad about schools

Issue government not coping well. New Zealand Australia are proper governments

Also is Eaton or Harrow back at school

Boris only wants school back not for kids but so parents can go back to work

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By *on12xxMan over a year ago

leeds

https://news.sky.com/video/excess-deaths-of-64-000-during-pandemic-11995102

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By *on12xxMan over a year ago

leeds

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By *on12xxMan over a year ago

leeds

Can kill vulnerable or shielding people

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple over a year ago

Falkirk

"Schools sad but health more important.

Kids can spread therefore ig go to scholl can bring back to parents mrenys who may die not worth risk

If shielding parents or grandparents it more likely kill them if the catch it.

Health first. Sad about schools

Issue government not coping well. New Zealand Australia are proper governments

Also is Eaton or Harrow back at school

Boris only wants school back not for kids but so parents can go back to work

Do you have young kids? It's very easy to say keep them off and shield the vulnerable.

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By *orthern StarsCouple over a year ago

Durham

"The teachers need to take more responsibility they are a discrace.

They do not seem to care about the children

That's so unfair. Teachers care deeply about their pupils and their schools.

Agree! I've never met a teacher who didn't put their students first (well maybe one)"

I met one who at a parents evening about our son was more concerned how her results would look to Ofsted if some of her pupils failed. She wanted my son to work hard so she would look good on a league table. Didn't care about our son s education one jot.

Thankfully his other teachers cared about him.

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By *eah BabyCouple over a year ago

Cheshire, Windermere ,Cumbria

It was on the news that it had been found some parents had been selling the laptops given to children by the government, if that’s true it’s an absolute disgrace.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We can't praise our son's school enough. They've set up online schooling and are interacting with their pupils every lesson. They have an average 79% of pupils engaging in on-line schooling every day. The pupils have to sign into every lesson (not just at the beginning of the day). Our son has his alarm set for the beginning of each lesson as once he has completed his task for each lesson he can log off. Teacher is available on line through out the lesson for help and advice.

The school is also carrying out after school activities on-line like quizzes and drama classes and they have recently set up a rewards scheme for pupils who are engaging.

It is doable but think there are a lot of factors which will affect it's success ie school / pupil resources. Parental encouragement. Pupils willingness. Think it's unfair to make judgements when not all facts for each individual circumstance is know.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The teachers need to take more responsibility they are a discrace.

They do not seem to care about the children"

Goverment ruling guidelines

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By *eah BabyCouple over a year ago

Cheshire, Windermere ,Cumbria

Some people won’t like this but what happened to the idea of opening schools on a Saturday and Sunday, it was said it would help with social distancing with splitting the classes over 7 days and not 5.

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By *hilMan over a year ago

HOUGHTON LE SPRING

"Some people won’t like this but what happened to the idea of opening schools on a Saturday and Sunday, it was said it would help with social distancing with splitting the classes over 7 days and not 5."

A lot of public libraries are other buildings are closed at the moment. Could they not be opened up the space utilised for teaching children so as to help with social distancing

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By *istressZoeTV/TS over a year ago

cheshire

"The teachers need to take more responsibility they are a discrace.

They do not seem to care about the children"

I don’t think that’s fair

Teachers clearly care about the children and schools have remained open for the children of key workers during Covid 19

Schools in my area continue to offer free school meals and deliver them

New online learning platforms been sit up from scratch in days when it would normally take weeks

Regular communication with parents and well being surveys for pupils

It’s not Teachers fault that this government is a clusterfxxk with no clear direction - policy or decision making regarding schooling

When a decision is made ( school returns date) it is backtracked because it’s not safe as the R rate in the NW above one

Lots of people can point and recriminations but laying the blame with teachers is wrong

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"The teachers need to take more responsibility they are a discrace.

They do not seem to care about the children"

This comment by you and others does tend to suggest you are totally out of touch with reality..

You had a go at postal workers last week too..

What experiences do you actually have in anything other than this ability to spout unfounded attacks on professionals?

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"The teachers need to take more responsibility they are a discrace.

They do not seem to care about the children"

Clearly not.

They only devote their entire career to teaching them.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Been involved with schools for a while; the biggest issue is the schools want autonomy, when it suits, but when they need to use brains to sort themselves out like each individual private business, they are bleating and blaming the government for not spoon feeding every answer.

They admitted they want the best for their members?

That's what a union is there for.

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By *exy7 OP Man over a year ago

Bristol

"Makes absolutely no sense to point the finger of blame at anyone else other than those who actively used the situation.

Sadly the government gave way ."

You clearly don't have a clue do you? The 2m social distancing makes it impossible for schools to function properly. But as always this gvt wants to deflect attention and find a scapegoat. This type the scapegoat is not the immigrants, it's not the EU, it's the unions. Poor sods. Maybe one day, they'll be able to take responsibility for their incompetence instead of passing the buck.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Would you expect teachers to work 7 days a week? Many are trying to juggle full time work with their own children's needs already.

I retired from teaching last year, but in normal times, I'd work a 60-70 hr week. Teachers are putting in more hours during lockdown. You want more?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Makes absolutely no sense to point the finger of blame at anyone else other than those who actively used the situation.

Sadly the government gave way .

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

I think I recall a few weeks ago, when the schools were supposed tomopen for certain years, there were a lot of negative threads ...

Parents "Im not taking my kids back"

Teachers "its just not safe"

Unfortunately the government can't take all the credit for the pandemic and if the schools were open there would be the usual outcry that the R number will be up tomorrow.

What can they do ?

Maybe all of us including teachers should pay 50% income tax and reduce benefits by 30% and build virus proof schools ? But that's still going to take years ?

What's your answer op ?

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By *exy7 OP Man over a year ago

Bristol

The lack of communication from the gvt is blatant. We're about to have another example of this. Schools haven't been consulted at all on this massive catch up programme that Williamson is about to announce.

It is going to be another thing that these clowns are going to come up with from Whitehall without consulting headtachers, unions, teachers, local authorities and when these organisations will react in one way or another, they will blame them for being obstructive. And obviously the Bojo cult will follow its rock star in blaming the horrible unions.

What a bunch of incompetent clowns. Not only do they have blood on their hands with covid19 but they have the future of this country in their hands with Brexit. They can't organise the reopening of schools but they tell us the UK is going to conquer the universe after we've left the EU and struck those amazing deals. I'd rather trust my five year old than these muppets.

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By *V-AliceTV/TS over a year ago

Ayr

"I work in education (secondary), so I know first hand what My School has been doing and the problems that were faced.

Cal"

Finally, somebody who knows wtf they're talking about.

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By *herryblossom_BJWoman over a year ago

Oxfordshire/Hampshire

"The teachers need to take more responsibility they are a discrace.

They do not seem to care about the children

Why is It the teachers fault? Have you heard off Gavin Williamson? "

My teacher friends get up super early every morning to write current online lesson plans. They still go into the classroom to teach the children of keyworkers. There's so much you can do with online teaching. Real teaching happens in the classroom where they can interact with eachother, not infront of a computer screen.

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By *limmatureguyMan over a year ago

Tonbridge

In France Macron just said all schools return on June 22nd and attendance is compulsory like normal. 1m distancing means is less of a problem and it would appear the French aren't scared of doing the their job.

What a turnaround from 80 years ago when French tanks had 4 reverse gears and one forward. Now its the UK that's running scared.

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By *alandNitaCouple over a year ago

Scunthorpe

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It was on the news that it had been found some parents had been selling the laptops given to children by the government, if that’s true it’s an absolute disgrace. "

That doesn't surprise me, we have many kids who come to school malnourished, unwashed and with holes in their uniforms. But both parents smoke and drink.

There have been MANY reports of parents trying to use "free school meal vouchers" to buy cigarettes and alcohol. Our school choose to provide weekly food hampers instead of the vouchers for this very reason.

Cal

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Makes absolutely no sense to point the finger of blame at anyone else other than those who actively used the situation.

Sadly the government gave way .

The unions tried to arrange 4 meetings with the gmnt a while ago and were ignored.

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By *exy7 OP Man over a year ago

Bristol

I think I recall a few weeks ago, when the schools were supposed tomopen for certain years, there were a lot of negative threads ...

Parents "Im not taking my kids back"

Teachers "its just not safe"

Unfortunately the government can't take all the credit for the pandemic and if the schools were open there would be the usual outcry that the R number will be up tomorrow.

What can they do ?

Maybe all of us including teachers should pay 50% income tax and reduce benefits by 30% and build virus proof schools ? But that's still going to take years ?

What's your answer op ?"

Schools have reopened in other countries mainly because they have almost wiped out the virus. Countries such a France, Germany, Denmark etc have only got 30 or 40 deaths per day (and it's been like this for weeks and weeks)when we still have on average about 200 here except at the weekend when we don't seem to be able to count.

These countries also have a 1m social distancing policy. Why? Because face masks are compulsory. Here we can't even provide our nurses with PPE so I dread to think how this gvt could ensure that 65 million of people have face masks...

Last week we had more deaths in the UK in one day that in all the other 27 EU countries put together ( despite us having 65 millions people vs 400 million). That tells you everything you need to know about how bad the situation still is in this country compared to continental Europe. Nothing to do with teachers, parents, unions etc... We have a bunch of clowns at the helm and it looks like it's taking much more time to get the R down here than in other countries. I wonder why.

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

"In France Macron just said all schools return on June 22nd and attendance is compulsory like normal. 1m distancing means is less of a problem and it would appear the French aren't scared of doing the their job.

What a turnaround from 80 years ago when French tanks had 4 reverse gears and one forward. Now its the UK that's running scared. "

So are you saying that everyone here and in the country should accept that 1m is safe and kids go back next week if the government announce it ?

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By *exy7 OP Man over a year ago

Bristol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Have you given him anything to keep him occupied?

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By *exy7 OP Man over a year ago

Bristol

What a turnaround from 80 years ago when French tanks had 4 reverse gears and one forward. Now its the UK that's running scared. "

80 years ago, the British tanks had 5 gears forward to head to Dunkirk as quickly as possible. I wuld have liked to see how brave the UK would have been if the Channel hadn't separated Germany and our country. I hat these constant pathetic accusations of France being scared at the time. It is much easier to be brave when you have 30 kms of water between yourself and the enemy compared to a bridge over the Rhine river...

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

What a turnaround from 80 years ago when French tanks had 4 reverse gears and one forward. Now its the UK that's running scared.

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

What a turnaround from 80 years ago when French tanks had 4 reverse gears and one forward. Now its the UK that's running scared.

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By *ebjonnsonMan over a year ago

Maldon

"The teachers need to take more responsibility they are a discrace.

They do not seem to care about the children"
that’s a terrible thing to say. I’m living with a deputy head and know that she and the rest of the team feel greatly for the children.

The only time they hear ideas / suggestions is from the tv. This amateurish government is to blame.

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By *eah BabyCouple over a year ago

Cheshire, Windermere ,Cumbria

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It was on the news that it had been found some parents had been selling the laptops given to children by the government, if that’s true it’s an absolute disgrace.

That doesn't surprise me, we have many kids who come to school malnourished, unwashed and with holes in their uniforms. But both parents smoke and drink.

Cal"

That is shocking and sad. I was glad to hear it was vouchers and not money but I suppose some will find a way around that. Why have children if your not going to do your best by them and to pick cigarettes and alcohol over your child’s education and well being is the lowest of the low, makes my blood boil.

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By *avidnsa69Man over a year ago

Essex

What a turnaround from 80 years ago when French tanks had 4 reverse gears and one forward. Now its the UK that's running scared. "

1m distancing will still not allow all kids to be in school here in the UK. Look into the space allocations in school buildings and then tell me how classes of 30 kids can operate in the classroom spaces that exist in our school buildings

Whilst you're at it, may I recommend you dial back on the casual xenophobia?

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By *ev_1Couple over a year ago

Bickliegh

Some peeps here need to take a Look at yourselves in the mirror teachers and support staff do a great job just a pity some parents can't or need the child care so they can put there feet up and relax

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The teachers need to take more responsibility they are a discrace.

They do not seem to care about the children"

My daughter is a school teacher in Hong Kong and sat day after day tutoring children online so they didnt miss their education. So im sorry but that comment just isnt true

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By *ev_1Couple over a year ago

Bickliegh

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"The teachers need to take more responsibility they are a discrace.

They do not seem to care about the children"

Last year I did some temp work in schools and children's centres. I started at 8am and there were teachers there helping to get breakfast ready for the children of deadbeat parents, turning up in their pjs to drop their kids off before returning to bed. In winter children were turning up in summer clothes. Teachers bought a supply of jumpers, coats etc to ensure the kids were warm. Some of the younger kids weren't potty trained so that had to be tackled too.

My opinion was different to yours: I thought why are these teachers enabling useless parents? Teach, don't feed and clothe them, but where I see they care too much others, like you think they don't care at all.

Damned if you do...

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By *exy7 OP Man over a year ago

Bristol

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By *exy7 OP Man over a year ago

Bristol

It might be worth mentioning at this point that the UK already has the shortest teaching holidays in Europe, except Bulgaria so I am not sure that's where the answer is.

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By *exy7 OP Man over a year ago

Bristol

One of the problems the UK has is that our gvt constantly relies on charity to sort out everything:

Poverty, mental health, children poverty, homelessness, you name it, they all have a charity dedicated to these issues.

People volunteer to help combat every society issue. Where else would you see people running marathons or shake a bucket in front of the local supermarket to help the local children hospital?

Ask the French to run a marathon to sponsor their hospital and they'll tell you to f.off (and rightly so).

The problem with relying on charities to sort out every evil in society is that it entitles the government to be useless and not to take responsibility for anything. Charities exonorate the gvt from their responsibilities. W

When you have a pandemic to sort out, charities or volunteers can't do much. The Germans don't have charity shops. Neither do the French, the Italians, the Spaniards, the Swedes etc... They expect the people they voted in to take responsibility and sort out the issues such as poverty, homelessness etc... Here our gvt is used to being bailed out by the community. It works for a lot of issues but not for a pandemic or the reopening of schools. The onus is on them to sort this out but obviously they can't and they're not used to sorting anything on a big scale.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"One of the problems the UK has is that our gvt constantly relies on charity to sort out everything:

Poverty, mental health, children poverty, homelessness, you name it, they all have a charity dedicated to these issues.

People volunteer to help combat every society issue. Where else would you see people running marathons or shake a bucket in front of the local supermarket to help the local children hospital?

Ask the French to run a marathon to sponsor their hospital and they'll tell you to f.off (and rightly so).

Remember The big society?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The teachers need to take more responsibility they are a discrace.

They do not seem to care about the children

That's so unfair. Teachers care deeply about their pupils and their schools.

On the other hand the majority of her class mates do not do even 50% of set work and attend no zoom meetings.

All the teachers have replied to any emails my daughter has sent enquiring about the work within 20 mins.

If anyone is failing, in my experience it's the parents.

Don’t always judge the parents. "

You have a serious deficit in understanding my very easy to read post.

In my experience I said....

I know the vast majority of my daughters friends / classmates and parents.....

All the kids in her class managed to do homework over a school night or weekend normally before the pandemic.....

The majority of the class of kids are on tick tok, Facebook and other drama creating social media all day everyday......

Every parent can manage a 5 minute check on class charts to see how their kids work has been marked if completed or not......

So no, it's not narrow minded, it's my own personal experience, just like I explained before.....

Yes many other kids and parents will be hampered just as you say but I clearly stated I was on about my own personal experience of my daughters class situation.

Hope that clears things up for you

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By *exy7 OP Man over a year ago

Bristol

"One of the problems the UK has is that our gvt constantly relies on charity to sort out everything:

Poverty, mental health, children poverty, homelessness, you name it, they all have a charity dedicated to these issues.

People volunteer to help combat every society issue. Where else would you see people running marathons or shake a bucket in front of the local supermarket to help the local children hospital?

Ask the French to run a marathon to sponsor their hospital and they'll tell you to f.off (and rightly so).

Remember The big society?"

Exactly. I meant to mention the big society in my post but I forgot. Do everything for free or you'll lose when we make cuts. Pull your finger out, volunteer to run your local library for free or we'll close it. Revolting. It's for this reason that I don't volunteer.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

"One of the problems the UK has is that our gvt constantly relies on charity to sort out everything:

Poverty, mental health, children poverty, homelessness, you name it, they all have a charity dedicated to these issues.

People volunteer to help combat every society issue. Where else would you see people running marathons or shake a bucket in front of the local supermarket to help the local children hospital?

Ask the French to run a marathon to sponsor their hospital and they'll tell you to f.off (and rightly so).

France has at least one charity that runs outlets selling stuff for charity. Have a look at Emmaus

Personally I'd rather not rely entirely on government, I think as a wider society we *ought* to take collective responsibility for other people and help out if we can alongside the authorities.

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By *exy7 OP Man over a year ago

Bristol

There are a few charities in France. You're right about Emmaus but it is more the exception than the norm. And of course some people volunteer too over there but not on the same scale as here where it is pretty much a way of life.

You don't see charity shops on the high street in France. They just don't exist.

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By *icecouple561Couple over a year ago
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East Sussex

"There are a few charities in France. You're right about Emmaus but it is more the exception than the norm. And of course some people volunteer too over there but not on the same scale as here where it is pretty much a way of life.

You don't see charity shops on the high street in France. They just don't exist. "

I think charity has become a dirty word. I don't want to rely solely on the government, its a slippery slope to start on in my opinion.

When the pandemic first became evident there was a lot of negative press about footballers asking what they were contributing etc. Now there seems to be a lot of press asking why a footballer has had to contribute. I think that those of us who have should be happy to share with those who have not without it being either a legal obligation or seen as an alternative to state provision.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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O o O oo

"The teachers need to take more responsibility they are a discrace.

They do not seem to care about the children"

That is not true

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By *anshee99Woman over a year ago

all over

"Totally agree - stepson in year 10 and hardly given any work. School now 1 day a week for about 4 hours

GCSE'S to do next year! "

Isnt that the schools fault?

My kids have 20 pieces of work each, every week!

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By *limmatureguyMan over a year ago

Tonbridge

A large number of the so called 'charities' in this area receive all their funding from the government, they are charities for tax reasons.

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By *ev_1Couple over a year ago

Bickliegh

My wife is in education during lockdown still teaching yet parents don't take there safety seriously one child had 6 different adults from different households bring them to school and pick up .Did the parent think about my wife's safety because they couldn't be assed to get off there ass ????

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple over a year ago

Falkirk

"Totally agree - stepson in year 10 and hardly given any work. School now 1 day a week for about 4 hours

GCSE'S to do next year!

Isnt that the schools fault?

My kids have 20 pieces of work each, every week! "

I agree. My daughter gets sent a bulk load of work every Friday by the school. If there is anything she does not understand she can put the work on hold and contact her teacher who will get in touch via Zoom or MS Teams.

On average she does about 3-4 hours a day. This can be broken up into smaller segments but she is happy to rattle through as much as she can.

I can't comment on schools in other regions but ours seem to be on point when it comes down to the kids education.

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By *eorge JetsonMan over a year ago

Middlesbrough

My sons school sent email notifications out on Monday to "advise" that a full re-opening now may not be possible until the October term! So now there's a chance that he may not even be returning to year 8 in September!!

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By *limmatureguyMan over a year ago

Tonbridge

What a turnaround from 80 years ago when French tanks had 4 reverse gears and one forward. Now its the UK that's running scared.

So are you saying that everyone here and in the country should accept that 1m is safe and kids go back next week if the government announce it ?"

Yes.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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O o O oo

"Makes absolutely no sense to point the finger of blame at anyone else other than those who actively used the situation.

Sadly the government gave way ."

Of course there is also the issue of space. To social distance in school you will get less pupils in each class, between 10 and 15 depending on the class size. Then you would need another teacher maybe two to teach the other half / two thirds of the class. Unless they build extensions or pay for temporary classrooms in the grounds outside, while we have the two metre rule you will never get the whole school back into school

Obviously if the government has a solution for this then they have not mentioned it yet as far as I know.

The obstacles of going back to school is not just about catching the virus

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple over a year ago

Falkirk

"My wife is in education during lockdown still teaching yet parents don't take there safety seriously one child had 6 different adults from different households bring them to school and pick up .Did the parent think about my wife's safety because they couldn't be assed to get off there ass ????"

Do you know the facts why there were six different people from different households picking up the one child?

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By *ev_1Couple over a year ago

Bickliegh

Yes it's in the post couldn't be assed to pick up child so got a friend to pick up

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By *limmatureguyMan over a year ago

Tonbridge

What a turnaround from 80 years ago when French tanks had 4 reverse gears and one forward. Now its the UK that's running scared.

Whilst you're at it, may I recommend you dial back on the casual xenophobia?"

1m would allow 4 times more children in a given area than 2m, so it makes a huge difference. My comment about the French was tongue in cheek, my comment about the UK was not, but that's allowed because I'm British.

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By *eavenNhellCouple over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

You don't see charity shops on the high street in France. They just don't exist. "
Emmaus is a charity run to help ex cons rehabilitate back into society after leaving prison there is one close to us brilliant place iirc Terry Waite is one of the patrons it is a world wide charity

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple over a year ago

Falkirk

"Yes it's in the post couldn't be assed to pick up child so got a friend to pick up "

Hmm I don't think you know all the facts and are just making assumptions.

I have 5 people on the school list that can can pick my kids up from school.

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple over a year ago

Falkirk

"Yes it's in the post couldn't be assed to pick up child so got a friend to pick up

Hmm I don't think you know all the facts and are just making assumptions.

I have 5 people on the school list that can can pick my kids up from school.

Anyway you don't know how many people are mixing from other families out of school hours.

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By *ev_1Couple over a year ago

Bickliegh

When in lockdown we weren't allowed to mix with different households fact rest my case or did I misunderstand the meaning of lockdown

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"One of the problems the UK has is that our gvt constantly relies on charity to sort out everything:

Poverty, mental health, children poverty, homelessness, you name it, they all have a charity dedicated to these issues.

People volunteer to help combat every society issue. Where else would you see people running marathons or shake a bucket in front of the local supermarket to help the local children hospital?

Ask the French to run a marathon to sponsor their hospital and they'll tell you to f.off (and rightly so).

France has at least one charity that runs outlets selling stuff for charity. Have a look at Emmaus

Personally I'd rather not rely entirely on government, I think as a wider society we *ought* to take collective responsibility for other people and help out if we can alongside the authorities. "

We pay taxes for the gmnt to provide services such as education.Thats what they are there for.

However a few years ago you had cameron calling for people to volubteer for jobs that were previously paid a wage.

I totally agree that as a community we should help out neighbours etc but not to the extent where they take the piss.

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By *alandNitaCouple over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Makes absolutely no sense to point the finger of blame at anyone else other than those who actively used the situation.

Sadly the government gave way .

Obviously if the government has a solution for this then they have not mentioned it yet as far as I know.

The obstacles of going back to school is not just about catching the virus"

The issue with temporary classrooms is not just getting a few porta-cabins, it's also filling them with furniture and supplying them with the classroom computers and Projecors or Display Screens that are integral to modern teaching. It's certainly not something that schools can finance ourselves.

If there is still a Social Distancing requirement in September, schools will only be able to realistically operate in a part time timetable. Probably with one year-group per day. There just wouldn't be any practical solution to get everyone in.

Cal

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By *alandNitaCouple over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Even with 1m social distancing, you could only have 1 student per desk rather than two and the desks need spacing further apart. So less than half the capacity.

Cal

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

People slagging teachers off....will be scientists next

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By *alandNitaCouple over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"People slagging teachers off....will be scientists next

Well they do think they're clever...

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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PS the teacher I know never moans as she thinks as much as she can't do her job the way she normally does she can do as much as she possibly can.

Her school has looked after key workers kids in term time plus Easter and half term. They have worked at home to provide work for the children not at school.They calls pupils once a week to check how they are. They are planning for September in the hope they will all be back and not just a few .

I think teachers and schools have had a bad deal with this, a bit like furloughed people who were asked to stop working by the Government have had the same disdain

The comment of teachers don't give a toss...this same school not long ago had to go into lockdown because there was a man with a gun on the premises.They were unsure of what was going on for 3 and a half hours so can you imagine trying to keep it normal for you and 25 four and five year olds in a class

After it had all ended I asked her what was going through her head and she said, all I could think of was I have to protect my kids, so he would have had to shoot me first to get to them

It shows how much investment there is when you become a teacher

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By *rFunBoyMan over a year ago

Longridge

Maybe the £900K being used to respray an RAF aircraft could be better used for education.

Schools already have furniture, it is space they need. Desks are currently sitting in classrooms for each child so no need for new.

Librararies, football ground suites, council buildings such as town and civic halls and other buildings, the list goes on can all be used as temp classrooms if imagination was used.

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By *edbath 5Man over a year ago

london

Nothing to do with the left wing loons blocking everything for political gain.

Like being back in the 70’s and 80’s again with Labour.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nothing to do with the left wing loons blocking everything for political gain.

Like being back in the 70’s and 80’s again with Labour. "

Haha, what has been blocked? You do realise that the schools are trying to following the governments own guidelines

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple over a year ago

Falkirk

"When in lockdown we weren't allowed to mix with different households fact rest my case or did I misunderstand the meaning of lockdown"

So single parents that are key workers can't have somebody from another household pick up thier child from school?

There are loads of exeptions to the rules depending on the personal circumstances.

So yes I guess you have misunderstood the meaning of lockdown.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Nothing to do with the left wing loons blocking everything for political gain.

Like being back in the 70’s and 80’s again with Labour. "

Labour were not in power in the 80s.

Left wing loons=not wanting teachers to catch a deadly disease.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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O o O oo

"When in lockdown we weren't allowed to mix with different households fact rest my case or did I misunderstand the meaning of lockdown

So single parents that are key workers can't have somebody from another household pick up thier child from school?

There are loads of exeptions to the rules depending on the personal circumstances.

So yes I guess you have misunderstood the meaning of lockdown."

To be fair no, other households are not meant to pick the kids up from school. The whole reason of the school opening for key workers is because no other household should be looking after other peoples kids

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Maybe the £900K being used to respray an RAF aircraft could be better used for education.

Schools already have furniture, it is space they need. Desks are currently sitting in classrooms for each child so no need for new.

Librararies, football ground suites, council buildings such as town and civic halls and other buildings, the list goes on can all be used as temp classrooms if imagination was used.

Priorities innit?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The teachers need to take more responsibility they are a discrace.

They do not seem to care about the children

That's so unfair. Teachers care deeply about their pupils and their schools.

On the other hand the majority of her class mates do not do even 50% of set work and attend no zoom meetings.

All the teachers have replied to any emails my daughter has sent enquiring about the work within 20 mins.

If anyone is failing, in my experience it's the parents.

Don’t always judge the parents. "

I disagree. For the age group my sister teaches, nobody is asking the parents to teach them while also looking after other kids/working etc. That's what the zoom meetings are for. They are old enough to be able to manage their own school work as well as reach out and email their teachers for support if they need to, which I used to do all the time at that age. She's in a moderately affluent area so 99% of the kids will definitely have access to the internet through a laptop, if not at least a smartphone. I know online learning is a little trickier but I did an entire extra GCSE through distance learning when I was 14 so I know in most cases it can be done without needing a teacher to be physically there at that age.

My parents were never around when I was at school as they were always working so hard to put food on the table but somehow I still managed to do all my assignments and homework on time because I took advantage of being able to communicate with my teachers outside of school. Something which is easier than ever for today's kids.

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By *edbath 5Man over a year ago

london

Nothing to do with the left wing loons blocking everything for political gain.

Like being back in the 70’s and 80’s again with Labour.

Labour were not in power in the 80s.

Left wing loons=not wanting teachers to catch a deadly disease."

Kick in the teeth for every teacher that’s worked all the way through.

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

my daughter is doing all the work that gets sent to her she usually rhrough it all in 3hrs most days.they also have a cpl of zoom lessons a week.teachers are happy with how shes doing.but like my ex has said to me theres half a dizen kids in daughters class who are pretty much falling way behind because the parents cant be botherd.1parent a cpl of weeks ago during a zoom lesson told the teacher we are going out now and just switched the camera off.no doubt it gona be these parents who will be moaning that there kids are way behind the other kids whos parents could be botherd teaching there kids

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By *uHorny1Man over a year ago

Cannock

All this nonsense about schools being low risk. The virus is spread by contact- either directly or via a contaminated surface.

And the idiots who say "no cases of transfer from children" - people have very little idea where they get it from- someone who tests positive doesn't know if they've picked it up at home, at work or anywhere else. That's why they disinfect the trolleys at Tesco! That's why we are still told the best way to avoid infection is to wash our hands.

Small children are germ magnets and I don't think Coronavirus reacts differently to children's skin as to adults. They may not suffer in the same way but they can still pass it on.

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By *exy7 OP Man over a year ago

Bristol

"Maybe the £900K being used to respray an RAF aircraft could be better used for education.

Schools already have furniture, it is space they need. Desks are currently sitting in classrooms for each child so no need for new.

Librararies, football ground suites, council buildings such as town and civic halls and other buildings, the list goes on can all be used as temp classrooms if imagination was used.

Maybe the money is coming form 365 nillion a day or a week, can't remember that we're saving by leaving the EU. I wonder what kind of lie he's going to have written on his toy plane.

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By *uHorny1Man over a year ago

Cannock

My local Macdonald's has better protection measures in place than schools are permitted- screens, pipe, individual workstations.

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By *entralscotscpl7Couple over a year ago

Falkirk

"When in lockdown we weren't allowed to mix with different households fact rest my case or did I misunderstand the meaning of lockdown

So single parents that are key workers can't have somebody from another household pick up thier child from school?

There are loads of exeptions to the rules depending on the personal circumstances.

So yes I guess you have misunderstood the meaning of lockdown.

You are correct but peoples personal circumstances change daily especially with young children.

I've had to collect my friends daughter from school as she has been held back at work through no fault of her own. (She is a paramedic)

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By *uHorny1Man over a year ago

Cannock

Nothing to do with the left wing loons blocking everything for political gain.

Like being back in the 70’s and 80’s again with Labour.

Labour were not in power in the 80s.

Left wing loons=not wanting teachers to catch a deadly disease."

So by definition, not wanting someone to catch a deadly disease is lunacy?

Don't deny it it's literally what you said. Or do you consider teachers lives not to be worthy of saving?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Maybe the £900K being used to respray an RAF aircraft could be better used for education.

Schools already have furniture, it is space they need. Desks are currently sitting in classrooms for each child so no need for new.

Librararies, football ground suites, council buildings such as town and civic halls and other buildings, the list goes on can all be used as temp classrooms if imagination was used.

Maybe the money is coming form 365 nillion a day or a week, can't remember that we're saving by leaving the EU. I wonder what kind of lie he's going to have written on his toy plane. "

Yeah but but ,when the EU negotiators see his plane they will be so impressed that Boris will be able to get a better deal.

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By *exy7 OP Man over a year ago

Bristol

Nothing to do with the left wing loons blocking everything for political gain.

Like being back in the 70’s and 80’s again with Labour. "

Have you learnt you copy of the Daily Mail by heart?

What is there for Labour to block? The 2m social distancing rule is blocking everything itself. Nothing to do with unions or anything else.

Our education system has become a maze and a mosaic of different types of schools: you have comprehensive schools depending on the local authrotities, comps run by trusts, old style academies, free schools, independent schools, private schools, faith schools etc... All this has created the mess we are in and that's why you have same schools starting on the 1st of June, some on the 8th and some not at all.

The tories keep pissing us off with the fact that schools have reopened in France, Denmark etc. Well in France, te minister for education is in charge of ALL schools and whatever he/she decides is implemented by every school in the country. They don't have a fragmented school system like us. Our education system is a bit like a Mc Drive. Everybody chooses what they want to do, how they do it and when they do it.

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By *exy7 OP Man over a year ago

Bristol

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By *hat BlokeMan over a year ago

Harrogate

I second that! As a furloughed member of staff from a local college, I can tell you categorically that I would much rather be at work helping kids achieve their aims rather than being sat on my arse at home. And I know 99% of my colleagues feel exactly the same. We are prevented from doing so by what the government is telling us.

Nothing to do with the left wing loons blocking everything for political gain.

Like being back in the 70’s and 80’s again with Labour.

Have you learnt you copy of the Daily Mail by heart?

What is there for Labour to block? The 2m social distancing rule is blocking everything itself. Nothing to do with unions or anything else.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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Just been on the local news about a school in Nottingham who's teachers donated part of their salary to feed their pupils as they knew the parents were struggling with losing jobs and having less money because of being furloughed. Another school a headmaster had paid for food for his pupils that slipped through the net on his Credit card so they had at least one meal a day.

It is a shame all you hear is how teachers are living a high life at home and don't give a toss about their pupils when it is normally the total opposite

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