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Covid19...second wave...third wave????
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There's plenty of ppl still meeting off here ,I've been asked several times a day since lockdown started , it's not going to kill meeting strangers for sex
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If we can suppress the infection levels, towards those of most European countries, it would be great. We were a little behind Spain and Italy but think the couple of weeks or so lag we had could take a couple of months for us to reach their lower levels of current infection.
There's still round 1 here and it's better to think of it as ongoing, forget the waves, until we get a vaccine or it's managed some other way |
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Was there even a first wave?
Every death from the end of March at least was recorded as a C-19 fatality.
There are cases being opened by aggrieved relatives of those who's death certificates record their death as being from C-19 even though it wasn't.
The NHS were giving out blanket DNR documents to the NOK of hospital admissions.
Still, what with all these C-19 deaths we seen to have cured flu and any number of commonly life threatening illnesses.
And enriched the NHS, £13k per C-19 death to the good.
If there was a peak in the UK it is recorded as being between 10/04/20 & 12/04/20.
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"Was there even a first wave?
Every death from the end of March at least was recorded as a C-19 fatality.
There are cases being opened by aggrieved relatives of those who's death certificates record their death as being from C-19 even though it wasn't.
The NHS were giving out blanket DNR documents to the NOK of hospital admissions.
Still, what with all these C-19 deaths we seen to have cured flu and any number of commonly life threatening illnesses.
And enriched the NHS, £13k per C-19 death to the good.
If there was a peak in the UK it is recorded as being between 10/04/20 & 12/04/20.
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Fully agree with what youve just said, cause of death being something else and on death certificate theyve been writting heart attack/ covid infection where as the cause has only been heart attack, its a total disgrace just write heart attack simple why write covid when the person didnt have it.
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"Given recent events such as beach etc the supposed 2nd wave hasn't really happened "
Totally agree! If we are going to get a second wave, surely all the looters, protesters and counter protesters would have lead to one. Infection and death rates have dropped again. We are well passed the 7 day gestation period, yet not even the slightest of spikes. Are we to assume that not one person who protested had it, and while in such proximity didn’t pass it on? We are also 5-6 weeks on from all those people pictured on beaches supposedly risking all our lives, no spike then either... |
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"Given recent events such as beach etc the supposed 2nd wave hasn't really happened
Totally agree! If we are going to get a second wave, surely all the looters, protesters and counter protesters would have lead to one. Infection and death rates have dropped again. We are well passed the 7 day gestation period, yet not even the slightest of spikes. Are we to assume that not one person who protested had it, and while in such proximity didn’t pass it on? We are also 5-6 weeks on from all those people pictured on beaches supposedly risking all our lives, no spike then either..."
What proportion of the population were participating it these activities? Tiny. They were all outdoors too and in the case of the protesters, many wearing masks.
Also, these activities weren't undertaken as much in Scotland as England and if you look at the stats, Scotland's decline in cases and deaths has been much more rapid than England's. Perhaps the beach trips and protests didn't cause a 2nd wave but a slowdown in the decline. Wait until people are close to each other indoors and then we can revisit your position. |
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"Given recent events such as beach etc the supposed 2nd wave hasn't really happened
Totally agree! If we are going to get a second wave, surely all the looters, protesters and counter protesters would have lead to one. Infection and death rates have dropped again. We are well passed the 7 day gestation period, yet not even the slightest of spikes. Are we to assume that not one person who protested had it, and while in such proximity didn’t pass it on? We are also 5-6 weeks on from all those people pictured on beaches supposedly risking all our lives, no spike then either...
What proportion of the population were participating it these activities? Tiny. They were all outdoors too and in the case of the protesters, many wearing masks.
Also, these activities weren't undertaken as much in Scotland as England and if you look at the stats, Scotland's decline in cases and deaths has been much more rapid than England's. Perhaps the beach trips and protests didn't cause a 2nd wave but a slowdown in the decline. Wait until people are close to each other indoors and then we can revisit your position."
People returned to work and yet again no increase. I’m no fan of boris however maybe by more good luck than good management the spread of the virus does appear to be declining consistently. |
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"Given recent events such as beach etc the supposed 2nd wave hasn't really happened
Totally agree! If we are going to get a second wave, surely all the looters, protesters and counter protesters would have lead to one. Infection and death rates have dropped again. We are well passed the 7 day gestation period, yet not even the slightest of spikes. Are we to assume that not one person who protested had it, and while in such proximity didn’t pass it on? We are also 5-6 weeks on from all those people pictured on beaches supposedly risking all our lives, no spike then either...
What proportion of the population were participating it these activities? Tiny. They were all outdoors too and in the case of the protesters, many wearing masks.
Also, these activities weren't undertaken as much in Scotland as England and if you look at the stats, Scotland's decline in cases and deaths has been much more rapid than England's. Perhaps the beach trips and protests didn't cause a 2nd wave but a slowdown in the decline. Wait until people are close to each other indoors and then we can revisit your position."
If they had affected the figures at all, the government and their scientists would have jumped on it. They can break the figures down to small locations not just countries. The difference between Scotland’s and England’s figures is most likely down to population density.
“As of 2018, the population density for the United Kingdom was 274 people per square kilometre. Of the countries which make up the United Kingdom, England is by far the most densely populated at 430 people per square kilometer. Scotland, by contrast, is the most sparsely populated country in the United Kingdom, with only 70 people per square kilometre.”
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"Given recent events such as beach etc the supposed 2nd wave hasn't really happened
Totally agree! If we are going to get a second wave, surely all the looters, protesters and counter protesters would have lead to one. Infection and death rates have dropped again. We are well passed the 7 day gestation period, yet not even the slightest of spikes. Are we to assume that not one person who protested had it, and while in such proximity didn’t pass it on? We are also 5-6 weeks on from all those people pictured on beaches supposedly risking all our lives, no spike then either...
What proportion of the population were participating it these activities? Tiny. They were all outdoors too and in the case of the protesters, many wearing masks.
Also, these activities weren't undertaken as much in Scotland as England and if you look at the stats, Scotland's decline in cases and deaths has been much more rapid than England's. Perhaps the beach trips and protests didn't cause a 2nd wave but a slowdown in the decline. Wait until people are close to each other indoors and then we can revisit your position.
If they had affected the figures at all, the government and their scientists would have jumped on it. They can break the figures down to small locations not just countries. The difference between Scotland’s and England’s figures is most likely down to population density.
“As of 2018, the population density for the United Kingdom was 274 people per square kilometre. Of the countries which make up the United Kingdom, England is by far the most densely populated at 430 people per square kilometer. Scotland, by contrast, is the most sparsely populated country in the United Kingdom, with only 70 people per square kilometre.”
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If it was population density, please can you explain why at peak rates were approximately comparable. I.e. Scotland had 1/10th.
Also, 70% of the population of Scotland lives in the central belt so using density the way you have is potentially meaningless.
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"Given recent events such as beach etc the supposed 2nd wave hasn't really happened
Totally agree! If we are going to get a second wave, surely all the looters, protesters and counter protesters would have lead to one. Infection and death rates have dropped again. We are well passed the 7 day gestation period, yet not even the slightest of spikes. Are we to assume that not one person who protested had it, and while in such proximity didn’t pass it on? We are also 5-6 weeks on from all those people pictured on beaches supposedly risking all our lives, no spike then either...
What proportion of the population were participating it these activities? Tiny. They were all outdoors too and in the case of the protesters, many wearing masks.
Also, these activities weren't undertaken as much in Scotland as England and if you look at the stats, Scotland's decline in cases and deaths has been much more rapid than England's. Perhaps the beach trips and protests didn't cause a 2nd wave but a slowdown in the decline. Wait until people are close to each other indoors and then we can revisit your position.
If they had affected the figures at all, the government and their scientists would have jumped on it. They can break the figures down to small locations not just countries. The difference between Scotland’s and England’s figures is most likely down to population density.
“As of 2018, the population density for the United Kingdom was 274 people per square kilometre. Of the countries which make up the United Kingdom, England is by far the most densely populated at 430 people per square kilometer. Scotland, by contrast, is the most sparsely populated country in the United Kingdom, with only 70 people per square kilometre.”
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Also, beach goers and protesters potentially travelling distances so pin pointing cases difficult. |
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"Given recent events such as beach etc the supposed 2nd wave hasn't really happened
Totally agree! If we are going to get a second wave, surely all the looters, protesters and counter protesters would have lead to one. Infection and death rates have dropped again. We are well passed the 7 day gestation period, yet not even the slightest of spikes. Are we to assume that not one person who protested had it, and while in such proximity didn’t pass it on? We are also 5-6 weeks on from all those people pictured on beaches supposedly risking all our lives, no spike then either...
What proportion of the population were participating it these activities? Tiny. They were all outdoors too and in the case of the protesters, many wearing masks.
Also, these activities weren't undertaken as much in Scotland as England and if you look at the stats, Scotland's decline in cases and deaths has been much more rapid than England's. Perhaps the beach trips and protests didn't cause a 2nd wave but a slowdown in the decline. Wait until people are close to each other indoors and then we can revisit your position.
If they had affected the figures at all, the government and their scientists would have jumped on it. They can break the figures down to small locations not just countries. The difference between Scotland’s and England’s figures is most likely down to population density.
“As of 2018, the population density for the United Kingdom was 274 people per square kilometre. Of the countries which make up the United Kingdom, England is by far the most densely populated at 430 people per square kilometer. Scotland, by contrast, is the most sparsely populated country in the United Kingdom, with only 70 people per square kilometre.”
Also, beach goers and protesters potentially travelling distances so pin pointing cases difficult."
They have also been monitoring traffic levels and public transport usage. Again we would know, they would have used anything they could to say they were right. |
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over a year ago
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"Given recent events such as beach etc the supposed 2nd wave hasn't really happened
Totally agree! If we are going to get a second wave, surely all the looters, protesters and counter protesters would have lead to one. Infection and death rates have dropped again. We are well passed the 7 day gestation period, yet not even the slightest of spikes. Are we to assume that not one person who protested had it, and while in such proximity didn’t pass it on? We are also 5-6 weeks on from all those people pictured on beaches supposedly risking all our lives, no spike then either...
What proportion of the population were participating it these activities? Tiny. They were all outdoors too and in the case of the protesters, many wearing masks.
Also, these activities weren't undertaken as much in Scotland as England and if you look at the stats, Scotland's decline in cases and deaths has been much more rapid than England's. Perhaps the beach trips and protests didn't cause a 2nd wave but a slowdown in the decline. Wait until people are close to each other indoors and then we can revisit your position.
People returned to work and yet again no increase. I’m no fan of boris however maybe by more good luck than good management the spread of the virus does appear to be declining consistently."
Some have returned to work. Most office workers have not. And I'd guess that offices are likely one of the main routes to spreading.
Those that have gone back, in the most have much higher hygiene levels and mitigation. e.g. for the few in our company that have had to go back, it is mandatory masks, closed canteens, etc.
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"Given recent events such as beach etc the supposed 2nd wave hasn't really happened
Totally agree! If we are going to get a second wave, surely all the looters, protesters and counter protesters would have lead to one. Infection and death rates have dropped again. We are well passed the 7 day gestation period, yet not even the slightest of spikes. Are we to assume that not one person who protested had it, and while in such proximity didn’t pass it on? We are also 5-6 weeks on from all those people pictured on beaches supposedly risking all our lives, no spike then either...
What proportion of the population were participating it these activities? Tiny. They were all outdoors too and in the case of the protesters, many wearing masks.
Also, these activities weren't undertaken as much in Scotland as England and if you look at the stats, Scotland's decline in cases and deaths has been much more rapid than England's. Perhaps the beach trips and protests didn't cause a 2nd wave but a slowdown in the decline. Wait until people are close to each other indoors and then we can revisit your position.
People returned to work and yet again no increase. I’m no fan of boris however maybe by more good luck than good management the spread of the virus does appear to be declining consistently.
Some have returned to work. Most office workers have not. And I'd guess that offices are likely one of the main routes to spreading.
Those that have gone back, in the most have much higher hygiene levels and mitigation. e.g. for the few in our company that have had to go back, it is mandatory masks, closed canteens, etc.
-Matt"
So by good management then. Lets hope that the establishments opening on the 4th maintain such good management. |
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"If there's a second wave, we are just emerging from it. "
How do you work that one out?
When was the first wave?
A lot of conjecture around when the virus first appeared and confirmed it was late last year in Europe and earlier in Asia depending on who you believe but I think we can all agree there has definitely been one big wave, the last four months, but pre that, there was too many cases to warrent it bei g called a pandemic or even epidemic.
There may well be a second wave but I'm not sure the world is over the first wave yet. |
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We are in this for a long time, this is the second innings of a ten inning series,the strange thing is, I predicted this approx August 19,i kid you not, I got laughed at |
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"We are in this for a long time, this is the second innings of a ten inning series,the strange thing is, I predicted this approx August 19,i kid you not, I got laughed at"
Apparently so did Dominic Cummings. |
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"We are in this for a long time, this is the second innings of a ten inning series,the strange thing is, I predicted this approx August 19,i kid you not, I got laughed at
Apparently so did Dominic Cummings."
Havnt got a clue what that means, but I will take it as a dig at me |
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Lets be brutally honest people, thousands more are going to die !
The people of this country (a lot of them) are just fucking idiots !
The problem is they will probably survive after infecting people who will then die because they cant be fucking sensible.
Stay away from other people you don't know how many of them were either at a 'mass gathering' or live with some of the idiots who were.
Next problem will be when the pubs open and are packed with idiots all pissed and in even smaller spaces than they are now !
the death rate by Christmas will be over 75k then maybe people will be serious about this ………… (nah they wont it will never happen to them) |
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"Lets be brutally honest people, thousands more are going to die !
The people of this country (a lot of them) are just fucking idiots !
The problem is they will probably survive after infecting people who will then die because they cant be fucking sensible.
Stay away from other people you don't know how many of them were either at a 'mass gathering' or live with some of the idiots who were.
Next problem will be when the pubs open and are packed with idiots all pissed and in even smaller spaces than they are now !
the death rate by Christmas will be over 75k then maybe people will be serious about this ………… (nah they wont it will never happen to them) "
So what's your answer then, stay in lockdown till the virus goes or a vaccine that could be a year away. By then no jobs thousands dying from other things, poverty and poor up to 60% its not just fighting the virus its also the economy. |
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"We are in this for a long time, this is the second innings of a ten inning series,the strange thing is, I predicted this approx August 19,i kid you not, I got laughed at"
Me too. Apparentley, Chinese doctors had written a paper on it in late 2018 and it was published for the world to see in Feb 2019, there may have been overlooked cases in August dismissed as just regular flu.
Not heard much from Bristol University as they do extensive studies of bats in China as they have the most varieties.
Just joining a few dots.
Was that container truck last October with illegal migrants carrying covid carriers/victims?
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