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By *eatwave OP Man over a year ago

Barnet

I know this will not be popular but think the protests in london over the USA police brutality of Floyd is selfish and verging on ridiculous.

Where is the evidence it was racist rather than an incompetent brutal police act?

Yes black people have died at the hands of police officers, but so do every colour. Police will inevitably have bad police officers who commit brutality some justifiable i.e. through poor decision making and some just utterly wrong like what happened to floyd.

Police will lye to get themselves out of trouble, that is human nature.

In the uk police are probably one of the least aggresive around, think what european, russian or china police are like, we are really lucky. Also they all have cameras on now and people video them on phones so comparatively from the past are much more accountable.

There however is no doubt some truth in the protesters argument and am all for freedom to protest but we have a national crisis that is not only risking the lives of people who protest but everyones life in london. People have had love ones die and been unable to attend funerals, huge sacrifices and economic damage, now is not the time or the place for protesting in London.

Just think how far we have come from the days of muhammed ali winning gold at the olympics and then not being allowed to eat at a local resturant due to being black. We have come so far and no doubt have further to go but sadly racism will always excist from every colour but now is the time for national solidarity to get rid of this virus.

#all lives matter, no mass protests, save lives, protect the NHS

Peace & love to all

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

White guy who hasn't experienced racism says the UK isn't that racist.

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By *mmixtapeCouple over a year ago

middle earth

You're a white man, you have more privilege than you know of. You do not need an opinion. It's black lives matter because black people have been systematically oppressed for hundreds of thousands of years. Be better.

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By *ornLordMan over a year ago

Wiltshire and London

Racism nowadays is all the more insidious for being less overt. The OP’s post is proof.

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By *mmixtapeCouple over a year ago

middle earth

How fantastic that there have been black people recognised for the same shit white people do but there is a disproportionately large number of BAME people who are at the hands of racismt, your post is ridiculously bad

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By *ady LickWoman over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

There's another protest going on in Northamptonshire later, even though we have a high infection rate atm. Imo the police shouldn't allow it to go ahead.

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS over a year ago

Blackpool

I wonder just how many folks down London today know who David Dorn is without gooleing it, No thought not, and I also wonder if folks realise that BLM stand for defunding the police and kill cops #Dallas

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By *ornLordMan over a year ago

Wiltshire and London

"There's another protest going on in Northamptonshire later, even though we have a high infection rate atm. Imo the police shouldn't allow it to go ahead."

No, the police should ensure social distancing is observed.

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By *eavenscentitCouple over a year ago

barnstaple

I don't think a white man can really understand racism. You need to experience it as a black person. White men are the most privilaged.

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By *icebloke551Man over a year ago

Kidderminster

"I know this will not be popular but think the protests in london over the USA police brutality of Floyd is selfish and verging on ridiculous.

Where is the evidence it was racist rather than an incompetent brutal police act?

Police will lye to get themselves out of trouble, that is human nature.

#all lives matter, no mass protests, save lives, protect the NHS

Peace & love to all

Well done all lives matter why is everything about racism or sexism .its going to far as people are scared to say anything or your racist .where it is been used to there advantage

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"You're a white man, you have more privilege than you know of. You do not need an opinion. It's black lives matter because black people have been systematically oppressed for hundreds of thousands of years. Be better. "

"black people have been systematically oppressed for hundreds of thousands of years" - is a little excessive. Tribalism in African is still rife with not a white man in sight.

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By *ENGUYMan over a year ago

Hull

"There's another protest going on in Northamptonshire later, even though we have a high infection rate atm. Imo the police shouldn't allow it to go ahead."

But to disallow the event to proceed could turn negatively, as it would more than likely go ahead anyway. Thus, police are stuck between a rock & a hard place!

The problem is that many protests get hijacked by other more extreme groups or others, who use the event to promote their own agenda, often to the detriment of the theme of the original event being held.

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By *lyreelMan over a year ago

King's lynn

Saying that he does not have an “opinion” wow!! Isn’t that what we have fought for, freedom of speech etc etc, for you to say he has no opinion is nearly as bad an oppression as racism.

Opinions may be right, they may be wrong, according to others but without them we are just potatoes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

OP the protest is about racism in all over, it doesn’t just exist in the US.

George Flloyds death was a trigger because this is not the first time this has happened & people are tired of it.

If you’ve watched the footage it’s way more than an error in judgement.

You saying all lives matter is just diminishing the cause.

How can All Lives matters if the police are not thinking that way?

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By *ancs_tgirl_38TV/TS over a year ago

Blackpool

Actually the figures don't stack up for sistemic racisum of cops towards African Americans, they are actually looking into a personal connection between the cop and the guy. They may have history.

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By *ost SockMan over a year ago

West Wales and Cardiff

I’m uneasy about protests at a time when the virus is still around. I understand the imperative to protest on this, but it will give a lot of ammunition to the far right if there’s a spike in cases.

Black people are right to be angry though. Their experience is very different. The US was built on the extermination of its indigenous population and the shipping of many thousands of Africans to be slaves. We’ve got a lot to be ashamed of here too (and plenty to be proud of).

There’s a huge amount of discrimination towards black people the US. Of course, white people can experience it too - my own grandmother was beaten in school for speaking her native language (Welsh). That was government policy and was outright oppression. Black people have experienced it on a massive, systemic scale though.

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By *ornLordMan over a year ago

Wiltshire and London

"black people have been systematically oppressed for hundreds of thousands of years" - is a little excessive. Tribalism in African is still rife with not a white man in sight."

Let’s take out the hundreds and note that tribalism is not just driven by skin colour.

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By *kstallionMan over a year ago

milton keynes

Why can't he have an opinion?

I don't really agree with his statement but to say he can't have an opinion is crazy in the extreme.

Millions died so we can all have an opinion .

He may not be a black guy and may or may not have experienced racism but that does not deny him his opinion

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"black people have been systematically oppressed for hundreds of thousands of years" - is a little excessive. Tribalism in African is still rife with not a white man in sight.

Let’s take out the hundreds and note that tribalism is not just driven by skin colour."

Well, for accuracy I would take out the thousands but that is semantics. Racism is not just about skin colour either - many factors contribute but the results are the same. Hatred by one group of people for another due to their differences.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There was a protest in Reading yesterday.

I’ve been on leave so didn’t see it, my office is in the centre of Reading so would have seen it pas from the windows.

I’ve seen photos of it though and they definitely aren’t social distancing.

Will be interesting to see if the amount of people in Reading testing positive for COVID 19 goes up in the next few weeks.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I know this will not be popular but think the protests in london over the USA police brutality of Floyd is selfish and verging on ridiculous.

Where is the evidence it was racist rather than an incompetent brutal police act?

Police will lye to get themselves out of trouble, that is human nature.

#all lives matter, no mass protests, save lives, protect the NHS

Peace & love to all

How would you know how far we have come with police treating black people? Have u been pulled over as a black man driving an expensive car? Have u ever been " subject to a routine random search" as a black person?

You worry about the nhs, great now us black people have the added pressure of racism and the nhs because us minorities are more likely to die.

You say we shouldn't protest now? Bro we been doing it for years but people aren't listening, the oppression still lives. If not now , when????

All lives matter' imagine we're all stuck in the desert, I say "I'm thirsty," you shout no "All of us are thirsty" but only you get water, so I say "I'm thirsty " over and over again, but you keep getting the water.

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By *lyreelMan over a year ago

King's lynn

Why can't he have an opinion?

I don't really agree with his statement but to say he can't have an opinion is crazy in the extreme.

Millions died so we can all have an opinion .

He may not be a black guy and may or may not have experienced racism but that does not deny him his opinion"

Exactly as I said just prior to your post!! We need to be able to have and voice an opinion.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I know this will not be popular but think the protests in london over the USA police brutality of Floyd is selfish and verging on ridiculous.

Where is the evidence it was racist rather than an incompetent brutal police act?

Police will lye to get themselves out of trouble, that is human nature.

#all lives matter, no mass protests, save lives, protect the NHS

Peace & love to all

Good post

all the idiots out protesting against police brutality in another country are risking everything the lowndown achieved.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Mr here : we are living in the uk since 2015 and barely seen racism toward black people however, I must admit that I've seen it (very very rarely) towards Asians. I'm always mistaken for Asian by the way even though I'm not (I'm north African- from my father's side). I might be completely wrong, just saying my point of view which could be driven by me being mistaken for Asian multiple times but again, racism it's not common thing in the UK and I'm very happy that my kids are growing in a country where racism is very rare.

Cheers

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Mr here : we are living in the uk since 2015 and barely seen racism toward black people however, I must admit that I've seen it (very very rarely) towards Asians. I'm always mistaken for Asian by the way even though I'm not (I'm north African- from my father's side). I might be completely wrong, just saying my point of view which could be driven by me being mistaken for Asian multiple times but again, racism it's not common thing in the UK and I'm very happy that my kids are growing in a country where racism is very rare.

Cheers"

Stop talking sense

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Cheers"

Well said. I have lived in, and visited over 100 countries for work or personal reasons. The UK is way way down on the list of what I would consider to be a racist environment. The thing that bugs me the most about the UK is the amount of white people who sincerely believe that they speak on my behalf but follow their own agenda, whilst completely ignoring what black people actually say.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Cheers

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By *he riverdeep69Couple over a year ago

North west ish

"I know this will not be popular but think the protests in london over the USA police brutality of Floyd is selfish and verging on ridiculous.

Where is the evidence it was racist rather than an incompetent brutal police act?

Police will lye to get themselves out of trouble, that is human nature.

#all lives matter, no mass protests, save lives, protect the NHS

Peace & love to all

Good post

all the idiots out protesting against police brutality in another country are risking everything the lowndown achieved.

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By *lansmanMan over a year ago

Sheffield

"black people have been systematically oppressed for hundreds of thousands of years" - is a little excessive. Tribalism in African is still rife with not a white man in sight.

Let’s take out the hundreds and note that tribalism is not just driven by skin colour.

Indeed .. didn't the first human appear in Africa some hundred thousand years ago ? That makes us all black using that argument..

Not denying racism in this country , but it's definitely on a different scale in the US. All 4 of those cops where responsible .. not all where white.

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By *arakiss12TV/TS over a year ago

Bedford

George Floyd tried to pass off a fake 20 dollar bill at an Asian shopkeepers store, possibly a of moslem origin.

Now was Mr Floyd just trying to rip off any old store owner or did he specificaly aim for an Asian owned one. Taking the opportunity the police were already run off their feet with the pandemic.

Was he being the racist in the first instance. Racism isn't just a black and white thing.

Of course he didn't deserve to die. Would it reach the news if it was he who was being racist to the shopkeeper. It seems to me he put himself at risk of being dealt with by bad policing.

As racism in the police is already well known. The police already have a tough enough job.

Yes the police do need reform there, I agree. An on line protest would have been better.

It seems a chance for some to bash them, loot and let off steam or get back for that speeding fine.

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By *ady LickWoman over a year ago

Northampton Somewhere

"There's another protest going on in Northamptonshire later, even though we have a high infection rate atm. Imo the police shouldn't allow it to go ahead.

No, the police should ensure social distancing is observed. "

Almost impossible with the amount of people who will be there!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Indeed .. didn't the first human appear in Africa some hundred thousand years ago ? That makes us all black using that argument..

Not denying racism in this country , but it's definitely on a different scale in the US. All 4 of those cops where responsible .. not all where white."

The protests are against police brutality and profiling of black people.

It was never white people vs. black people, or saying the life of a black person is more important than that of a white person. Yet closet racists still push this idea to other white people. (Divide and conquer, an all that).

There is a clear pattern on this forum. First people are told not to protest because of the virus. Then they're told they shouldn't protest because it's a US issue. Then they're told by a white person who lives in suburban England that the UK isn't that racist. And who gives them the thumbs up and says they're making sense? Other white people.

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By *arkb73Man over a year ago

Cheshire/Staffs

There are more important things in this world than COVID-19 - I applaud those who are protesting #blacklivesmatter

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By *utualpleasure42Man over a year ago

enter location here

Boris Johnson is a racist and the country voted for him.

I'm Welsh not British.

Knowing Welsh history helps me understand the racism a lot better.

BLACK LIVES MATTER! Let's educate ourselves.

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

Taking into account the theme of these protests and the amount of people in attendance. How would people suggest the Police stop them?

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By *ostafunMan over a year ago

near ipswich

They will all be blaming the government in a few weeks when the rate rises again.

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By *itty9899Man over a year ago

Craggy Island

Me, privileged, I can only wish.

He was a man committing a crime who probably wouldn't come alone quietly and probably kicked off and was "overly" aggressive detained and died as the result the office or officers will probably lose their jobs and will be imprisoned and should be.

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By *couple123Couple over a year ago

Derby

Hundreds of thousands of years lol. How can it be true if our flat planet is just 2020 years old? Dooh.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hundreds of thousands of years lol. How can it be true if our flat planet is just 2020 years old? Dooh. "

What lol ?

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By *D835Man over a year ago

London

Cheers"

“.... we are living in the uk *since 2015* and barely seen.....

No wonder you’ve seen so little...,

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Me, privileged, I can only wish.

Sounds like you know very little about the situation.

Yes compared to a black person you a privileged. Suspicion, job refusals and verbal harassment is part of our lives on top of anything you would have to deal with.

In regards of George Floyd the shop owner has said that he highly doubted that George knew it was a counterfeit bill as they were circulating in the area. That's the reason why he didn't flee the scene. If you don't think you're guilty and they're already arresting you (happens all the time) you would resist. He wasn't aggressive (witnesses has testified as so) and so blaming him for any of this is just a way of trying to de-escalate a very serious problem that happens everyday in the US

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By *eatwave OP Man over a year ago

Barnet

Some intresting messages. What i see in the replys is alot of black this, white this, Asian this. We have the greatest national emergency since world war 2 and our calling is for collective responsibilty. Everyone needs to come together, do the right thing otherwise innocent people in london and uk will die.

We all have personal struggles and issues, some greater than others but this is our time to action together as one to keep all safe.

You have forever to bring more equality for black people which still needs more improvement but as of now we have a deadly virus that needs immediate action. Please lets stop this mass gathering protest so we can keep our community and country safe

Love to all x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Me, privileged, I can only wish.

White privilege doesn't mean you're living a cushty life because you're white. It means the colour of your skin hasn't affected your everyday life and opportunities that have come your way.

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By *mmixtapeCouple over a year ago

middle earth

"black people have been systematically oppressed for hundreds of thousands of years" - is a little excessive. Tribalism in African is still rife with not a white man in sight."

Yeah? You just gonna forget about slavery?

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By *rimKardashianMan over a year ago

Yorkshire

It is by all means unfortunate that the protest against systemic racism and police brutality is taking place against the current backdrop of the Covid-19 global pandemic.

While it would be completely idyllic if every protestor going to a BLM protest this weekend could observe social distancing rules put plainly it might not be entirely possible due to weight of numbers.

Proclaiming that these protests alone will be the sole reason there will be an increase in infection rates seems to conveniently ignore the thousands of people travelling half the country to visit packed beaches during the recent good weather, the VE Day conga lines celebrating the 75th anniversary date and people on and off this website surreptitiously arranging to meet in people's houses when clearly everyone knew it was prohibited.

Now the idea that it is somehow acceptable that George Floyd died after supposedly using a counterfeit $20 note at a store at the hands of the police whilst unarmed is plainly ridiculous.

How often do we see the extrajudicial killing of black unarmed men whilst in police custody...?

The answer is too many times!

Whilst yes this incident might have occurred in the USA, the UK is not without it's faults & goes some way to explain how and why this is a global movement & people are marching worldwide.

The struggle continues.

Educate yourselves on the subject & do better.

BLACK LIVES MATTER.

ALWAYS AND FOREVER.

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By *mmixtapeCouple over a year ago

middle earth

"Some intresting messages. What i see in the replys is alot of black this, white this, Asian this. We have the greatest national emergency since world war 2 and our calling is for collective responsibilty. Everyone needs to come together, do the right thing otherwise innocent people in london and uk will die.

We all have personal struggles and issues, some greater than others but this is our time to action together as one to keep all safe.

Love to all x

If not now then when? The only people who have been speaking out against the protests have been white people, people who are far less likely to have died from covid. There has been a far larger number of black people dying from covid. If you aren't using the fact that you are the most privileged type of person for good then stay in your house and grump and groan all you want. But at a time like this your voice isnt needed and isn't valued at all.

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By *uited staffs guyMan over a year ago

staffordshire

Yes all lives matter

But all deaths of cancer matter, it doesn’t mean people campaigning about breast cancer or prostate cancer are dissing people dying of lung cancer it just means they are bringing publicity to a cause close to them that’s all

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I was on the fence at the start of this so I decided to take time to educate myself on what this actually means. I think there are many people here who would benefit from the same. Personally I don't see anyone as being indifferent. What I didn't understand was the bigger picture and what a lot of non white people have to live with. USA is particularly worse than the UK but the UK isn't without faults. While I wouldn't join a protest in COVID times, it has got many people like me to actually take some time and educate on what is really happening.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

You have forever to bring more equality for black people which still needs more improvement but as of now we have a deadly virus that needs immediate action.

George Floyd didn't have forever. Nor did Breonna Taylor or Stephon Clarke or all the other black men and women killed by police without the remotest justification.

The conduct of police in America kills people. Don't tell black people they have to wait for that to stop.

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

Christ, it's amazing people still don't have an historical or contextual understanding of this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We all have personal struggles and issues, some greater than others but this is our time to action together as one to keep all safe.

Love to all x

I greatly respect how you have worded your message, there does need to be unity for us to recover from this virus quickly and with a few deaths as possible and we don't need to go into specifics about deaths here.

My only issue here is saying we have forever to bring about equality for black people and minorities. Everyday they are harassed, attacked and in places murdered for being themselves. The longer we wait the more people die so people are choosing risking the virus so save the lives of others.

If you don't want to protest during this outbreak I completely understand and if you want to support the cause there are many safe ways to do so but the most impactful way is to show solidarity in person.

It's down to choosing the lesser of two evils

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By *rumalexMan over a year ago

Birmingham

The OP has a right to his opinion, whether we agree or not, as for the COVID argument, what kind of social distancing where the killer cops using? and because there is a virus this means we just shut up and accept any crap thrown at us?

Racism is a complex argument which i'm not getting into, but on these marches are people of all colours and religion, protesting about injustice.

And the main cause of the anger is that another black man been murdered, and the cop was going to get away with it as usual, and as the court case hasn't concluded yet, he still might

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

"The OP has a right to his opinion, whether we agree or not, as for the COVID argument, what kind of social distancing where the killer cops using? and because there is a virus this means we just shut up and accept any crap thrown at us?

Racism is a complex argument which i'm not getting into, but on these marches are people of all colours and religion, protesting about injustice.

And the main cause of the anger is that another black man been murdered, and the cop was going to get away with it as usual, and as the court case hasn't concluded yet, he still might "

I have a feeling that the sentences will not be as much as people want. I don’t think he will walk though.

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By *esali2019Couple over a year ago

Chelmsford

Although All Lives Matter is a laudable message I don't think we should be saying it.

The reason is, imo, the alt-right use the same message as a way of diffusing the potency of the #BLM movement.

So yes, all lives matter but that is not what the protests are about.

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

The conduct of police in America kills people. Don't tell black people they have to wait for that to stop. "

Even more than that it's the development of cultures, where the execution of another human being, in the mind of the perpetrator, is acceptable.

What influences were they exposed to throughout their lifetime? Certainly not one where people of different races are regarded as equals.

How have they and their associates interacted with black people previously? This and the other instances mentioned don't exist in a vacuum.

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By *rumalexMan over a year ago

Birmingham

Racism is a complex argument which i'm not getting into, but on these marches are people of all colours and religion, protesting about injustice.

And the main cause of the anger is that another black man been murdered, and the cop was going to get away with it as usual, and as the court case hasn't concluded yet, he still might

I have a feeling that the sentences will not be as much as people want. I don’t think he will walk though. "

i agree with you on that

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By *xfordshireCoupleMFCouple over a year ago

Nr. Oxford

"It is by all means unfortunate that the protest against systemic racism and police brutality is taking place against the current backdrop of the Covid-19 global pandemic.

Now the idea that it is somehow acceptable that George Floyd died after supposedly using a counterfeit $20 note at a store at the hands of the police whilst unarmed is plainly ridiculous.

How often do we see the extrajudicial killing of black unarmed men whilst in police custody...?

The answer is too many times!

Whilst yes this incident might have occurred in the USA, the UK is not without it's faults & goes some way to explain how and why this is a global movement & people are marching worldwide.

The struggle continues.

Educate yourselves on the subject & do better.

BLACK LIVES MATTER.

ALWAYS AND FOREVER. "

Say it louder so the people in the back can hear.

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"Although All Lives Matter is a laudable message I don't think we should be saying it.

The reason is, imo, the alt-right use the same message as a way of diffusing the potency of the #BLM movement.

So yes, all lives matter but that is not what the protests are about."

And what the alt right fail to appreciate is that black lives apparently matter less.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I know this will not be popular but think the protests in london over the USA police brutality of Floyd is selfish and verging on ridiculous.

Where is the evidence it was racist rather than an incompetent brutal police act?

Police will lye to get themselves out of trouble, that is human nature.

#all lives matter, no mass protests, save lives, protect the NHS

Peace & love to all

Good post

all the idiots out protesting against police brutality in another country are risking everything the lowndown achieved.

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"It is by all means unfortunate that the protest against systemic racism and police brutality is taking place against the current backdrop of the Covid-19 global pandemic.

Now the idea that it is somehow acceptable that George Floyd died after supposedly using a counterfeit $20 note at a store at the hands of the police whilst unarmed is plainly ridiculous.

How often do we see the extrajudicial killing of black unarmed men whilst in police custody...?

The answer is too many times!

Whilst yes this incident might have occurred in the USA, the UK is not without it's faults & goes some way to explain how and why this is a global movement & people are marching worldwide.

The struggle continues.

Educate yourselves on the subject & do better.

BLACK LIVES MATTER.

ALWAYS AND FOREVER. "

Sadly, a lot of people need to do better. I am also sad for the loss of George Floyd and many others who should still be with us

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By *penbicoupleCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"All lives matter"...

Always makes me think of someone holding a fundraiser for a friend dying of the cancer - and some twat shouts out, "Er, there are other diseases, you know!"

OP, would it make you feel better if they said, "Black Lives Matter too!"? The point is, no one needs to say, "white lives matter."

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By *ools and the brainCouple over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

How many people posting on this thread have been a victim of a racist crime?

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By *lansmanMan over a year ago

Sheffield

"black people have been systematically oppressed for hundreds of thousands of years" - is a little excessive. Tribalism in African is still rife with not a white man in sight.

Yeah? You just gonna forget about slavery? "

Slavery isn't a white invention

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By *elshsunsWoman over a year ago

Flintshire

"White guy who hasn't experienced racism says the UK isn't that racist."

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By *Wman15Man over a year ago

Altrincham

The assumption that just because you are a white man you are privileged is lazy and erroneous

Ask those that struggle with constant unemployment or insecure or badly paid employment - many of the poorest boroughs have largely white populations

Yes, many of us have been fortunate to have good jobs, housing and health, and I'm very thankful for that. But I've had to work hard - this hasn't just been handed to me

Let's avoid crass sweeping generalisations and see human beings, not colour

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By *itty9899Man over a year ago

Craggy Island

"black people have been systematically oppressed for hundreds of thousands of years" - is a little excessive. Tribalism in African is still rife with not a white man in sight.

Yeah? You just gonna forget about slavery? "

Every culture was in slaved at one point the Christians were thrown to the lions, slavery wasn't just for black people.

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By *rumalexMan over a year ago

Birmingham

"How many people posting on this thread have been a victim of a racist crime?"

I've been a victim of racism in my time, why ask?

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By *ethnmelvCouple over a year ago

Cardiff

"black people have been systematically oppressed for hundreds of thousands of years" - is a little excessive. Tribalism in African is still rife with not a white man in sight.

Yeah? You just gonna forget about slavery?

Slavery isn't a white invention"

We just industrialised it...

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By *elshsunsWoman over a year ago

Flintshire

I was in a mixed race relationship before he passed away and before I met him I was very naive about racism .... oh my god I certainly had my eyes opened afterwards though

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Although All Lives Matter is a laudable message I don't think we should be saying it.

The reason is, imo, the alt-right use the same message as a way of diffusing the potency of the #BLM movement.

So yes, all lives matter but that is not what the protests are about.

And what the alt right fail to appreciate is that black lives apparently matter less."

Black people are hit harder with covid 19. But there they are out protesting during a pandemic, not social distancing, potentially taking home a deadly virus to their family members that didn't go out and protest. The point of the lock down is to keep everyone safe. I think it's a joke to be chanting black lives matter in the streets by the thousands when obviously they don't matter that much or they wouldn't be foolish enough to risk a death sentence on themselves and the people they love.

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By *penbicoupleCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"Actually the figures don't stack up for sistemic racisum of cops towards African Americans, they are actually looking into a personal connection between the cop and the guy. They may have history. "

The figures don't stack up?

Dear god!

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By *ools and the brainCouple over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"How many people posting on this thread have been a victim of a racist crime?

I've been a victim of racism in my time, why ask?

I'm just trying to see if anyone actually understands what it's like.

And I am sorry to hear this btw.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There's another protest going on in Northamptonshire later, even though we have a high infection rate atm. Imo the police shouldn't allow it to go ahead."
same here they cancelled the d day celebration and memorials but are allowing a protest to go ahead . The world as gone totaly mad if you ask me .

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By *esali2019Couple over a year ago

Chelmsford

"The assumption that just because you are a white man you are privileged is lazy and erroneous

Ask those that struggle with constant unemployment or insecure or badly paid employment - many of the poorest boroughs have largely white populations

Yes, many of us have been fortunate to have good jobs, housing and health, and I'm very thankful for that. But I've had to work hard - this hasn't just been handed to me

Let's avoid crass sweeping generalisations and see human beings, not colour"

What you are talking about has nothing to do with white privilege.

It does not mean you are born with a silver spoon in your mouth.

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By *rumalexMan over a year ago

Birmingham

"Although All Lives Matter is a laudable message I don't think we should be saying it.

The reason is, imo, the alt-right use the same message as a way of diffusing the potency of the #BLM movement.

So yes, all lives matter but that is not what the protests are about.

And what the alt right fail to appreciate is that black lives apparently matter less.

So do you suggest they wait a few more months or years to protest against injustice, because injustice doesn't stop for COVID

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

"The assumption that just because you are a white man you are privileged is lazy and erroneous

The phrase 'white privilege' or 'male privilege' does not mean you have an easy life or you don't face hardship.

It means you're very unlikely to face sexism or racism, which is a privilege.

It says nothing at all about the rest of your life.

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By *Wman15Man over a year ago

Altrincham

"The assumption that just because you are a white man you are privileged is lazy and erroneous

Ask those that struggle with constant unemployment or insecure or badly paid employment - many of the poorest boroughs have largely white populations

Yes, many of us have been fortunate to have good jobs, housing and health, and I'm very thankful for that. But I've had to work hard - this hasn't just been handed to me

Let's avoid crass sweeping generalisations and see human beings, not colour

What you are talking about has nothing to do with white privilege.

It does not mean you are born with a silver spoon in your mouth.

And what do you define as white privilege then?

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By *penbicoupleCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"The assumption that just because you are a white man you are privileged is lazy and erroneous"

With respect, that statement suggests you do not really understand what is meant by the phrase, "White privilege."

But, that's okay, you don't have to know - and it won't make one jot of difference to you. That's kinda the point.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The assumption that just because you are a white man you are privileged is lazy and erroneous

Ask those that struggle with constant unemployment or insecure or badly paid employment - many of the poorest boroughs have largely white populations

Yes, many of us have been fortunate to have good jobs, housing and health, and I'm very thankful for that. But I've had to work hard - this hasn't just been handed to me

Let's avoid crass sweeping generalisations and see human beings, not colour

What you are talking about has nothing to do with white privilege.

It does not mean you are born with a silver spoon in your mouth.

And what do you define as white privilege then?"

Im going to go with the fact you dont get treated differently in day to day life for the color of your skin.

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By *rumalexMan over a year ago

Birmingham

"How many people posting on this thread have been a victim of a racist crime?

I've been a victim of racism in my time, why ask?

I'm just trying to see if anyone actually understands what it's like.

And I am sorry to hear this btw."

Its ok wrongly or rightly my parents made me aware of it from a young age and i did fight back

But was shocked when pulled over as a 19 year old by the police and asked how can a n***** like you afford a car like this

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The assumption that just because you are a white man you are privileged is lazy and erroneous

Ask those that struggle with constant unemployment or insecure or badly paid employment - many of the poorest boroughs have largely white populations

Yes, many of us have been fortunate to have good jobs, housing and health, and I'm very thankful for that. But I've had to work hard - this hasn't just been handed to me

Let's avoid crass sweeping generalisations and see human beings, not colour"

You misunderstand the meaning behind it. It's not that black people have it worse all the time but that if we faced the same conditions (wealth, education ect) then we have less chance at succeeding in life due to prejudice. The same can be said for a lot of minorities so while it's a generalisation it's also instilled in the society of this and many other countries

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By *hongguyMan over a year ago

heckmondwike

"White guy who hasn't experienced racism says the UK isn't that racist."

unfortunately you will find every country is racist to others no matter what colour of your skin and that's fact

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Seems like he wasn’t very innocent or a upstanding citizen either, been jail for 5 years and on meth plus fake money that’s how it’s brought about. Plus a list of other issues bad related too, Suffered because of his own body abuse and committed robberies and has firearms offences. It wasn’t because of his colour he was arrested just a follow up on a reported crime from a store worker, if you haven’t done anything you haven’t got anything to worry about with the police. The officer who made the arrest has to live and take the flack for that now for the rest of his life for doing his job, okay a man has died for no need but the officer didn’t know that at the time. But if he didn’t commit the crime in the first place he wouldn’t of been arrested and its no race related, rip and joy to the world peace and love x

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By *esali2019Couple over a year ago

Chelmsford

"The assumption that just because you are a white man you are privileged is lazy and erroneous

Ask those that struggle with constant unemployment or insecure or badly paid employment - many of the poorest boroughs have largely white populations

Yes, many of us have been fortunate to have good jobs, housing and health, and I'm very thankful for that. But I've had to work hard - this hasn't just been handed to me

Let's avoid crass sweeping generalisations and see human beings, not colour

What you are talking about has nothing to do with white privilege.

It does not mean you are born with a silver spoon in your mouth.

And what do you define as white privilege then?"

From the wiki page:

White privilege is a social phenomenon.[15] Although the definition of "white privilege" has been somewhat fluid, it is generally agreed to refer to the implicit or systemic advantages that white people have relative to people who are the objects of racism; it is the absence of suspicion and other negative reactions that people who are objects of racism experience.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Although All Lives Matter is a laudable message I don't think we should be saying it.

The reason is, imo, the alt-right use the same message as a way of diffusing the potency of the #BLM movement.

So yes, all lives matter but that is not what the protests are about.

And what the alt right fail to appreciate is that black lives apparently matter less.

So do you suggest they wait a few more months or years to protest against injustice, because injustice doesn't stop for COVID"

As someone suggested , an online protest would work. Which brings me to

ALL LIVES MATTER

why should the rest of our lives be put at risk for this protest? It's a selfish thing to do.

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By *lansmanMan over a year ago

Sheffield

"black people have been systematically oppressed for hundreds of thousands of years" - is a little excessive. Tribalism in African is still rife with not a white man in sight.

Yeah? You just gonna forget about slavery?

Slavery isn't a white invention

We just industrialised it...

But slavery wasn't a "racist" invention. It's the wrong argument to use. Didn't the UK also make slavery illegal ?

White privilege is used to shut down debate .

I'm also not denying racism at all.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The assumption that just because you are a white man you are privileged is lazy and erroneous

Ask those that struggle with constant unemployment or insecure or badly paid employment - many of the poorest boroughs have largely white populations

Yes, many of us have been fortunate to have good jobs, housing and health, and I'm very thankful for that. But I've had to work hard - this hasn't just been handed to me

Let's avoid crass sweeping generalisations and see human beings, not colour"

I addressed this earlier.

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By *Wman15Man over a year ago

Altrincham

"The assumption that just because you are a white man you are privileged is lazy and erroneous

The phrase 'white privilege' or 'male privilege' does not mean you have an easy life or you don't face hardship.

It means you're very unlikely to face sexism or racism, which is a privilege.

It says nothing at all about the rest of your life. "

That is another narrow definition

Many men of my age (north of 50) are discriminated against in the labour market for example

Economic well being is crucial- it has such wide implications

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"same here they cancelled the d day celebration and memorials but are allowing a protest to go ahead . The world as gone totaly mad if you ask me . "

Do you think it was right to cancel the D Day celebration and memorials?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"White guy who hasn't experienced racism says the UK isn't that racist.

unfortunately you will find every country is racist to others no matter what colour of your skin and that's fact "
is it not possible to suffer racism as a white person ? Or is it just called something differant when another race hates whites???.

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By *lansmanMan over a year ago

Sheffield

"The assumption that just because you are a white man you are privileged is lazy and erroneous

Ask those that struggle with constant unemployment or insecure or badly paid employment - many of the poorest boroughs have largely white populations

Yes, many of us have been fortunate to have good jobs, housing and health, and I'm very thankful for that. But I've had to work hard - this hasn't just been handed to me

Let's avoid crass sweeping generalisations and see human beings, not colour

What you are talking about has nothing to do with white privilege.

It does not mean you are born with a silver spoon in your mouth.

And what do you define as white privilege then?

From the wiki page:

A bit like the caste system in India then ... Racist twats ...

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

That is another narrow definition

Many men of my age (north of 50) are discriminated against in the labour market for example

Economic well being is crucial- it has such wide implications "

That's not in doubt, but despite the challenges they face, they have one less than black people in a similar position.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Seems like he wasn’t very innocent or a upstanding citizen either, been jail for 5 years and on meth plus fake money that’s how it’s brought about. Plus a list of other issues bad related too, Suffered because of his own body abuse and committed robberies and has firearms offences. It wasn’t because of his colour he was arrested just a follow up on a reported crime from a store worker, if you haven’t done anything you haven’t got anything to worry about with the police. The officer who made the arrest has to live and take the flack for that now for the rest of his life for doing his job, okay a man has died for no need but the officer didn’t know that at the time. But if he didn’t commit the crime in the first place he wouldn’t of been arrested and its no race related, rip and joy to the world peace and love x "

Dear lord, are you joking. He didnt know leaning on a guys neck for NINE MINUTES would kill him, I can ch0ke somebody out in no time, ridiculous statement, utterly ridiculous.

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By *D835Man over a year ago

London

"I was on the fence at the start of this so I decided to take time to educate myself on what this actually means. I think there are many people here who would benefit from the same. Personally I don't see anyone as being indifferent. What I didn't understand was the bigger picture and what a lot of non white people have to live with. USA is particularly worse than the UK but the UK isn't without faults. While I wouldn't join a protest in COVID times, it has got many people like me to actually take some time and educate on what is really happening. "

***...it has got many people like me to actually take some time and educate on what is really happening. ***

Agreed, and that's the main purpose the protest seeks to achieve.

And I'm sure many others have taken this time to educate themselves like you have.

It's a pity it is happening at this time when social distancing is in place. Even though some people did not follow social distancing in the crowded beaches over the weekend and didn't do so on VE day either.

But if there is a spike, they will want to blame it solely on the protesters, while forgetting the other scenarios.

At least the protesters remembered to wear face coverings to protect each other, not so with those at the crowded beaches.

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By *rumalexMan over a year ago

Birmingham

If you haven't done anything you haven't got anything to worry about? i wish i grew up in your world

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"same here they cancelled the d day celebration and memorials but are allowing a protest to go ahead . The world as gone totaly mad if you ask me .

Do you think it was right to cancel the D Day celebration and memorials?"
no not at all this can be done with social distancing and peacefully I'm sure a protest wont go down that well

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By *arakiss12TV/TS over a year ago

Bedford

"It is by all means unfortunate that the protest against systemic racism and police brutality is taking place against the current backdrop of the Covid-19 global pandemic.

Now the idea that it is somehow acceptable that George Floyd died after supposedly using a counterfeit $20 note at a store at the hands of the police whilst unarmed is plainly ridiculous.

How often do we see the extrajudicial killing of black unarmed men whilst in police custody...?

The answer is too many times!

Whilst yes this incident might have occurred in the USA, the UK is not without it's faults & goes some way to explain how and why this is a global movement & people are marching worldwide.

The struggle continues.

Educate yourselves on the subject & do better.

BLACK LIVES MATTER.

ALWAYS AND FOREVER. "

Maybe 40 or so years rap music culture promoting abuse toward women drive by shootings gang and drug culture haven't done the young black men who died in custody any favours.

It's not just police brutality that's the issue, it's the causes and effect.

If George Floyd chose to stay at home and read a book on black history instead of trying to rip off an Asian shopkeeper things would have been better for him.

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By *rumalexMan over a year ago

Birmingham

"Although All Lives Matter is a laudable message I don't think we should be saying it.

The reason is, imo, the alt-right use the same message as a way of diffusing the potency of the #BLM movement.

So yes, all lives matter but that is not what the protests are about.

And what the alt right fail to appreciate is that black lives apparently matter less.

So do you suggest they wait a few more months or years to protest against injustice, because injustice doesn't stop for COVID

As someone suggested , an online protest would work. Which brings me to

ALL LIVES MATTER

why should the rest of our lives be put at risk for this protest? It's a selfish thing to do. "

Thats your opinion and you're welcome to it, you can always stay indoors locked away safe from the virus if you want, but others realise life has risks attached to it, and if covid dont kill you, some other disease, injury or old age will

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"same here they cancelled the d day celebration and memorials but are allowing a protest to go ahead . The world as gone totaly mad if you ask me .

Do you think it was right to cancel the D Day celebration and memorials?"

I think it's right that they were cancelled. These protesters should be electronically tagged and forced to self isolate for 14 days. No excuse for putting your beliefs before the wellbeing, heath and safety of your fellow countrymen

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By *rumalexMan over a year ago

Birmingham

"It is by all means unfortunate that the protest against systemic racism and police brutality is taking place against the current backdrop of the Covid-19 global pandemic.

Now the idea that it is somehow acceptable that George Floyd died after supposedly using a counterfeit $20 note at a store at the hands of the police whilst unarmed is plainly ridiculous.

How often do we see the extrajudicial killing of black unarmed men whilst in police custody...?

The answer is too many times!

Whilst yes this incident might have occurred in the USA, the UK is not without it's faults & goes some way to explain how and why this is a global movement & people are marching worldwide.

The struggle continues.

Educate yourselves on the subject & do better.

BLACK LIVES MATTER.

ALWAYS AND FOREVER.

Maybe 40 or so years rap music culture promoting abuse toward women drive by shootings gang and drug culture haven't done the young black men who died in custody any favours.

It's not just police brutality that's the issue, it's the causes and effect.

If George Floyd chose to stay at home and read a book on black history instead of trying to rip off an Asian shopkeeper things would have been better for him."

Has there actually been definate proof that the note he was using was fake?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is by all means unfortunate that the protest against systemic racism and police brutality is taking place against the current backdrop of the Covid-19 global pandemic.

Now the idea that it is somehow acceptable that George Floyd died after supposedly using a counterfeit $20 note at a store at the hands of the police whilst unarmed is plainly ridiculous.

How often do we see the extrajudicial killing of black unarmed men whilst in police custody...?

The answer is too many times!

Whilst yes this incident might have occurred in the USA, the UK is not without it's faults & goes some way to explain how and why this is a global movement & people are marching worldwide.

The struggle continues.

Educate yourselves on the subject & do better.

BLACK LIVES MATTER.

ALWAYS AND FOREVER.

Maybe 40 or so years rap music culture promoting abuse toward women drive by shootings gang and drug culture haven't done the young black men who died in custody any favours.

It's not just police brutality that's the issue, it's the causes and effect.

If George Floyd chose to stay at home and read a book on black history instead of trying to rip off an Asian shopkeeper things would have been better for him."

Are you joking, in your world do people get killed for a fake 20? Utterly ridiculous, seriously, get with the times people, and CHECK YOURSELVES, this thread is proof of the need for education and change on this issue.

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By *rumalexMan over a year ago

Birmingham

"It is by all means unfortunate that the protest against systemic racism and police brutality is taking place against the current backdrop of the Covid-19 global pandemic.

Now the idea that it is somehow acceptable that George Floyd died after supposedly using a counterfeit $20 note at a store at the hands of the police whilst unarmed is plainly ridiculous.

How often do we see the extrajudicial killing of black unarmed men whilst in police custody...?

The answer is too many times!

Whilst yes this incident might have occurred in the USA, the UK is not without it's faults & goes some way to explain how and why this is a global movement & people are marching worldwide.

The struggle continues.

Educate yourselves on the subject & do better.

BLACK LIVES MATTER.

ALWAYS AND FOREVER.

Maybe 40 or so years rap music culture promoting abuse toward women drive by shootings gang and drug culture haven't done the young black men who died in custody any favours.

It's not just police brutality that's the issue, it's the causes and effect.

If George Floyd chose to stay at home and read a book on black history instead of trying to rip off an Asian shopkeeper things would have been better for him.

totally agree

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By *Wman15Man over a year ago

Altrincham

"The assumption that just because you are a white man you are privileged is lazy and erroneous

With respect, that statement suggests you do not really understand what is meant by the phrase, "White privilege."

But, that's okay, you don't have to know - and it won't make one jot of difference to you. That's kinda the point."

That is pretty offensive frankly - you are clearly insinuating that I don't care about equality and fairness

Nothing could be further from the truth

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Although All Lives Matter is a laudable message I don't think we should be saying it.

The reason is, imo, the alt-right use the same message as a way of diffusing the potency of the #BLM movement.

So yes, all lives matter but that is not what the protests are about.

And what the alt right fail to appreciate is that black lives apparently matter less.

So do you suggest they wait a few more months or years to protest against injustice, because injustice doesn't stop for COVID

As someone suggested , an online protest would work. Which brings me to

ALL LIVES MATTER

why should the rest of our lives be put at risk for this protest? It's a selfish thing to do.

I'm not too old, fit heathy and white so I'll probably be okay. But my son on the other hand isn't and is at high risk. So yeah I will stay in and be considered to the risk I could carry and endanger the life's of others.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"black people have been systematically oppressed for hundreds of thousands of years" - is a little excessive. Tribalism in African is still rife with not a white man in sight.

Yeah? You just gonna forget about slavery?

Slavery isn't a white invention

We just industrialised it...

But slavery wasn't a "racist" invention. It's the wrong argument to use. Didn't the UK also make slavery illegal ?

White privilege is used to shut down debate .

I'm also not denying racism at all. "

Slavery was abolished by paying off the slavers (final payments cleared in 2015) from public money. Since then a chunk of tax has been used to pay towards the money that the slavers were given. Nothing was given to the slaves by the way.

This type of slavery was racist as they literally stated if a slave escapes everyone would know by the colour of their skin.

In regards to white privilege I'd be happy to discuss it as it's not a way to just end debates

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No one will argue black is white on this thread

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The world is racist its not just black people suffering from it some black people are also guilty of it ,dont take me down the history track its about whats happening now , people killing other people because they dont like their race or culturers sad but true its not just white people causing this problem

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't think a white man can really understand racism. You need to experience it as a black person. White men are the most privilaged."

we live in a non white community and sent our kids to a non white school,one of them spent most his school life being bullied and when we finally got down to the root cause we was told by the child that he and his gang of thugs was doing the bullying it was because he was white,that was the bullies words.

mr has been assaulted while going to the shops by a gang of non whites,crap has been left on our doorstep and I mean actual crap. these are just a few incidents so do not say such utter bollox

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By *elshsunsWoman over a year ago

Flintshire

"How many people posting on this thread have been a victim of a racist crime?

I've been a victim of racism in my time, why ask?

I'm just trying to see if anyone actually understands what it's like.

And I am sorry to hear this btw."

Yes and we were in a mixed race relationship subject to it .... totally shocked me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The assumption that just because you are a white man you are privileged is lazy and erroneous

With respect, that statement suggests you do not really understand what is meant by the phrase, "White privilege."

But, that's okay, you don't have to know - and it won't make one jot of difference to you. That's kinda the point.

That is pretty offensive frankly - you are clearly insinuating that I don't care about equality and fairness

Nothing could be further from the truth "

Then prove your point and educate yourself.

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By *ools and the brainCouple over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Anyone who thinks racism isn't existing in the UK is frankly delusional and very probably one of the one's dishing out racist abuse.

It's not just about name calling.

I have been fortunate enough to have many friends over the years of many different colours but I just call them friends rather than black or Asian.

I have witnessed as am sure many people have, not just obvious abuse but constant stuff all day everyday from snide remarks or questions, look's and joke's made at their expense.

This is what white privilege is not having to deal with shit like this every single day of your life.

I posted this on a previous thread.

When I was a teenager I was severely beaten and hospitalised by national front members for being friends with non White's.

The difference is as a white man I can move away and be in the fortune situation to probably never encounter anything like this again.

Where as black and Asian people can't just move away they have to deal with the fear every day.

And that's the point of the demonstrations

They shouldn't have to be in fear of just setting foot outside their front door.

I don't think any White person can truly understand what it's like but we sure as hell can stand up for what's right and against wrong.

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By *lansmanMan over a year ago

Sheffield

"black people have been systematically oppressed for hundreds of thousands of years" - is a little excessive. Tribalism in African is still rife with not a white man in sight.

Yeah? You just gonna forget about slavery?

Slavery isn't a white invention

We just industrialised it...

But slavery wasn't a "racist" invention. It's the wrong argument to use. Didn't the UK also make slavery illegal ?

White privilege is used to shut down debate .

I'm also not denying racism at all.

This type of slavery was racist as they literally stated if a slave escapes everyone would know by the colour of their skin.

In regards to white privilege I'd be happy to discuss it as it's not a way to just end debates"

For example. Where's my white privilege when I work in Nigeria ?

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By *D835Man over a year ago

London

***....The officer who made the arrest has to live and take the flack for that now for the rest of his life for doing his job....***

The police officer's job was to arrest, not to kill - that's why he has to take the flack.

It is up to a court of law to decide whether Floyd was guilty or not.

That's not your call, neither is it that of the police officers.

And a past criminal record should not be used to make assumptions.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm glad some people of colour have spoken up in one of these threads.

For anyone merely 'lurking', the only people's opinions and experiences worth anything in this thread are those of people like _rumalex and BD835 because it is their lived experience and not simply guesswork, as is the case with the OP.

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By *rumalexMan over a year ago

Birmingham

"Anyone who thinks racism isn't existing in the UK is frankly delusional and very probably one of the one's dishing out racist abuse.

It's not just about name calling.

I have been fortunate enough to have many friends over the years of many different colours but I just call them friends rather than black or Asian.

I have witnessed as am sure many people have, not just obvious abuse but constant stuff all day everyday from snide remarks or questions, look's and joke's made at their expense.

This is what white privilege is not having to deal with shit like this every single day of your life.

I posted this on a previous thread.

When I was a teenager I was severely beaten and hospitalised by national front members for being friends with non White's.

The difference is as a white man I can move away and be in the fortune situation to probably never encounter anything like this again.

Where as black and Asian people can't just move away they have to deal with the fear every day.

And that's the point of the demonstrations

They shouldn't have to be in fear of just setting foot outside their front door.

I don't think any White person can truly understand what it's like but we sure as hell can stand up for what's right and against wrong."

Agree with this post, people need to understand as a black person even booking a holiday, we google about racism in the country we looking to go to before booking, we check up on things like this if we have to visit or think of moving to certain areas as well

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

For example. Where's my white privilege when I work in Nigeria ?"

Hahaha, seriously?

The only reason you have work in Nigeria is due to the colonial legacy in Africa!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Cheers

“.... we are living in the uk *since 2015* and barely seen.....

No wonder you’ve seen so little...,

Well, prior to that, I lived couple of years in Poland and trust me , it was more than enough to see real racism... so I still consider that racism is very very rare in the UK.

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By *lansmanMan over a year ago

Sheffield

"The world is racist its not just black people suffering from it some black people are also guilty of it ,dont take me down the history track its about whats happening now , people killing other people because they dont like their race or culturers sad but true its not just white people causing this problem"

It's a fear or mistrust of outsiders. It's a global phenomenon and applies to all cultures. Not excusing anything here but its possible to have black privileged in the correct country.

Anyway this debate should be everyone versus racists , not black v white.

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

I understand the protests and fully stand behind the message, however, protesting violence with violence makes a mockery of the original issue.

Saying white people can't or don't suffer racism is totally inaccurate, anyone can be a victim of racism, arguing about it takes the focus away from the point of the protests.

An innocent black man was brutally murdered by 4 white police officers, it was a horrible way to die and black people are often harassed and victimised by the police, more so in America, but it does happen here.

That is the point, not an argument about who suffers the most racism. It's not a competition.

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"I'm glad some people of colour have spoken up in one of these threads.

My hubby of 30 years is black and I have wonderful adult children of mixed heritage, even then I wouldn't claim to understand fully how racism affects them

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By *rumalexMan over a year ago

Birmingham

It's a fear or mistrust of outsiders. It's a global phenomenon and applies to all cultures. Not excusing anything here but its possible to have black privileged in the correct country.

Anyway this debate should be everyone versus racists , not black v white."

Totally agree it shouldn't be a black v white, it should be against all racists

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"black people have been systematically oppressed for hundreds of thousands of years" - is a little excessive. Tribalism in African is still rife with not a white man in sight.

Yeah? You just gonna forget about slavery?

Slavery isn't a white invention

We just industrialised it...

But slavery wasn't a "racist" invention. It's the wrong argument to use. Didn't the UK also make slavery illegal ?

White privilege is used to shut down debate .

I'm also not denying racism at all.

This type of slavery was racist as they literally stated if a slave escapes everyone would know by the colour of their skin.

In regards to white privilege I'd be happy to discuss it as it's not a way to just end debates

For example. Where's my white privilege when I work in Nigeria ?"

If you applied for most jobs they would choose you over a fellow Nigerian. If you have a look online there are a note able amount of sources about the benefits of people white in all African countries. If fact there are many sources from south africans about how they have noticed their privilege throughout the continent.

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By *arakiss12TV/TS over a year ago

Bedford

If you haven't done anything you haven't got anything to worry about? i wish i grew up in your world "

Ah but you did. It's that easy, stay out of trouble and good things come your way.

Being non white has it's advantages too.

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By *he riverdeep69Couple over a year ago

North west ish

Seems we have moved on from the #bekind movement, onto the #staysafestayathome and now on to #fuckanyoneelsewhohasadifferentpointofview movement. Vile vile world we are living in.

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By *oncupiscence73Woman over a year ago

South

"OP the protest is about racism in all over, it doesn’t just exist in the US.

George Flloyds death was a trigger because this is not the first time this has happened & people are tired of it.

If you’ve watched the footage it’s way more than an error in judgement.

You saying all lives matter is just diminishing the cause.

How can All Lives matters if the police are not thinking that way?"

All lives matter cannot happen until black live s matter ...... seriously white privilege has been happening to me my whole life an I didn’t even realise. Black people are being treated disproportionately due to the colour of their skin- that’s all there is to it. We either stand up and say it’s enough or say it’s black people’s problem. I’m standing up....

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By *lansmanMan over a year ago

Sheffield

For example. Where's my white privilege when I work in Nigeria ?

Hahaha, seriously?

The only reason you have work in Nigeria is due to the colonial legacy in Africa!"

I have no advantage today in Nigeria being white. That's the point I am making. Read up on Africa history before white settlers. I don't agree we should have settled there either ... But it was a pretty brutal place at times.

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By *D835Man over a year ago

London

***....if you haven’t done anything you haven’t got anything to worry about with the police...****

Shows how much you know.

Ask some of those out there protesting, hopefully they can educate you a bit more.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you haven't done anything you haven't got anything to worry about? i wish i grew up in your world

Ah but you did. It's that easy, stay out of trouble and good things come your way.

Being non white has it's advantages too.

Examples please, this should be good, this thread isnt even funny, and its exactly proving why we need change.

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By *lansmanMan over a year ago

Sheffield

"I understand the protests and fully stand behind the message, however, protesting violence with violence makes a mockery of the original issue.

Saying white people can't or don't suffer racism is totally inaccurate, anyone can be a victim of racism, arguing about it takes the focus away from the point of the protests.

That is the point, not an argument about who suffers the most racism. It's not a competition. "

I don't think they where all white btw ... Still wrong tho

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Racism isn't a competition.

No one is denying that white people can't be discriminated. But the likelihood of that happening is very, very low. Have you had a security guard follow you around the shop because you're white? Have you had someone cross the road avoiding you because you're white? Have you had someone move away from you on the bus or train because you are white? Have you been denied entry to a bar or club because you're white?

White privilege does not mean white people have no hardship. It means you have the privilege of not dealing with the stereotypes and prejudice that black people live with.

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By *rimKardashianMan over a year ago

Yorkshire

"It is by all means unfortunate that the protest against systemic racism and police brutality is taking place against the current backdrop of the Covid-19 global pandemic.

Now the idea that it is somehow acceptable that George Floyd died after supposedly using a counterfeit $20 note at a store at the hands of the police whilst unarmed is plainly ridiculous.

How often do we see the extrajudicial killing of black unarmed men whilst in police custody...?

The answer is too many times!

Whilst yes this incident might have occurred in the USA, the UK is not without it's faults & goes some way to explain how and why this is a global movement & people are marching worldwide.

The struggle continues.

Educate yourselves on the subject & do better.

BLACK LIVES MATTER.

ALWAYS AND FOREVER.

Maybe 40 or so years rap music culture promoting abuse toward women drive by shootings gang and drug culture haven't done the young black men who died in custody any favours.

It's not just police brutality that's the issue, it's the causes and effect.

If George Floyd chose to stay at home and read a book on black history instead of trying to rip off an Asian shopkeeper things would have been better for him."

Hang on one second.

Are you deliberately being a troll or are these your genuine opinions??

The association you've just made between deaths in police custody and rap music is so outrageous as to be laughable!

I am flabbergasted by such a generalisation. This assumes SO many things that patently you are not able to accurately correlate.

It is almost too idiotic to actually comprehend.

I would question whether you have EVER read a book on black history in your lifetime? Nevermind George Floyd (Rest In Power).

I seriously doubt you have as you wouldn't be making such sweeping statements like that if you had.

Here is a list of books I suggest you read to educate yourself;

Why I’m No Longer Talking to White People About Race by Reni Eddo-Lodge

Brit(ish): On Race, Identity & Belonging by Afua Hirsch

Me and White Supremacy: How to Recognise Your Privilege, Combat Racism and Change the World by Layla F. Saad

By any means this list is not exhaustive and could just be the start of your journey to better understand the issues at hand here.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

***....if you haven’t done anything you haven’t got anything to worry about with the police...****

Shows how much you know.

Ask some of those out there protesting, hopefully they can educate you a bit more."

Agree!, plus the latest news about a white 75yo man pushed over while peacefully protesting on a black lives matter and thry leave him unc*nscious on thr ground. They've been charged with assault and 57 othe riot officers resigned in protest. That's 57 thugs out! Good riddance! .

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By *rumalexMan over a year ago

Birmingham

If you haven't done anything you haven't got anything to worry about? i wish i grew up in your world

Ah but you did. It's that easy, stay out of trouble and good things come your way.

Being non white has it's advantages too.

so how do you explain, me driving my car within the speed limit getting pulled over by police and roughed up, in your words i wasn't doing anything wrong, as a teenager i was more worried being approached by police, than i was being approached by a group of people walking towards me at night, so please don't say if you not doing anything wrong you have nothing to fear, i have nephews experiencing the same crap now, when they not doing anything just because of their skin colour

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I understand the protests and fully stand behind the message, however, protesting violence with violence makes a mockery of the original issue.

Saying white people can't or don't suffer racism is totally inaccurate, anyone can be a victim of racism, arguing about it takes the focus away from the point of the protests.

That is the point, not an argument about who suffers the most racism. It's not a competition.

I don't think they where all white btw ... Still wrong tho"

One guy was Hmong I think, ethnic group from vietnam/china, one was possibly mixed race I think? Two of them where very new to the job first week I think, but the guy actually doing the choking has an insane amount of complaints against him including a use of force complaint that was settled for a lot of money, smashed somebodys face in broke all their teeth.

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By *Wman15Man over a year ago

Altrincham

"The assumption that just because you are a white man you are privileged is lazy and erroneous

With respect, that statement suggests you do not really understand what is meant by the phrase, "White privilege."

But, that's okay, you don't have to know - and it won't make one jot of difference to you. That's kinda the point.

That is pretty offensive frankly - you are clearly insinuating that I don't care about equality and fairness

Nothing could be further from the truth

Then prove your point and educate yourself. "

I don't have to prove anything to you or you to me

You know nothing about me or my circumstances

As for the need to "educate" myself

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By *lansmanMan over a year ago

Sheffield

If you haven't done anything you haven't got anything to worry about? i wish i grew up in your world

Ah but you did. It's that easy, stay out of trouble and good things come your way.

Being non white has it's advantages too.

Examples please, this should be good, this thread isnt even funny, and its exactly proving why we need change."

Curiously white working class boys have the lowest educational achievements ..

Can't think of anything else though.

Being white in a majority white country is otherwise usually an advantage.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The assumption that just because you are a white man you are privileged is lazy and erroneous

With respect, that statement suggests you do not really understand what is meant by the phrase, "White privilege."

But, that's okay, you don't have to know - and it won't make one jot of difference to you. That's kinda the point.

That is pretty offensive frankly - you are clearly insinuating that I don't care about equality and fairness

Nothing could be further from the truth

Then prove your point and educate yourself.

I don't have to prove anything to you or you to me

You know nothing about me or my circumstances

As for the need to "educate" myself

It's okay to disagree and I won't pry any further but by not trying to learn you are only stopping yourself.

Stay safe and healthy good sir

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By *xccvvMan over a year ago

Yorkshire North East

Not read all the post, just the OP

All lives do matter, but understand the Black lives matter movement. I was brought up in a time when racialism was popular, not all of us back then were racialists.

The police, councillors (local Government) and Central Goverment were all racist, believe they were, not all the people were racist, sadly the ones who were racist spoke loudly, and freely.

I work around the Country, and meet people from all walks of live in different parts of the Country, and sadly still hear the crap that went on in the 60s, 70s, 80s, even 90s, still goes on, which I find very sad.

Yes all lives matter, but the black lives matter is because people like me born white have had a better chance in life than others, which is wrong, we are all equal, and as such be treated as equal. So it has to be black lives matter until things change.

My father told me a long time ago, all men are born equal, yes you might say he should have said all people are born equal, but think you understand his saying, and he was again from a different generation

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

For example. Where's my white privilege when I work in Nigeria ?

Hahaha, seriously?

The only reason you have work in Nigeria is due to the colonial legacy in Africa!

I'm not really sure of your point, professional whites are generally well regarded in Nigeria and of course there is the colonial legacy (particularly in southern Africa), which may well have created ill feeling towards whites.

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By *lansmanMan over a year ago

Sheffield

For example. Where's my white privilege when I work in Nigeria ?

Hahaha, seriously?

The only reason you have work in Nigeria is due to the colonial legacy in Africa!

I'm not a professional white.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

All lives matter

#be kind

Inequalities lie in ever corner because of the perpetrators poer and control

What happened in America was utterly appalling to kill an unarmed man.

Why are the girls who been sexualy abused /grooming gangs not getting the same press coverage you could argue..

Why are victims of domestic abuse not being heard.

Why are the elderly not getting free care..

Nasty people in all walks of life.

Blm

My life matters too.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

I think you've missed something op

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"All lives matter

#be kind

Inequalities lie in ever corner because of the perpetrators poer and control

What happened in America was utterly appalling to kill an unarmed man.

Why are the girls who been sexualy abused /grooming gangs not getting the same press coverage you could argue..

Why are victims of domestic abuse not being heard.

Why are the elderly not getting free care..

Nasty people in all walks of life.

Blm

My life matters too.

No one has implied any of those don't matter though

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By *Wman15Man over a year ago

Altrincham

"The assumption that just because you are a white man you are privileged is lazy and erroneous

With respect, that statement suggests you do not really understand what is meant by the phrase, "White privilege."

But, that's okay, you don't have to know - and it won't make one jot of difference to you. That's kinda the point.

That is pretty offensive frankly - you are clearly insinuating that I don't care about equality and fairness

Nothing could be further from the truth

Then prove your point and educate yourself.

I don't have to prove anything to you or you to me

You know nothing about me or my circumstances

As for the need to "educate" myself

It's okay to disagree and I won't pry any further but by not trying to learn you are only stopping yourself.

Stay safe and healthy good sir

What do you mean "Not trying to learn"?

So is your assumption that I don't understand the issues or don't want to understand the issues?

Again...far from the truth

Just because I may not share your exact opinions doesn't mean that I don't appreciate the issues and circumstances

Try treating others with a little more respect - after all this is a (though clearly not the only) key root cause to what has happened here

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"All lives matter

#be kind

Inequalities lie in ever corner because of the perpetrators poer and control

What happened in America was utterly appalling to kill an unarmed man.

Why are the girls who been sexualy abused /grooming gangs not getting the same press coverage you could argue..

Why are victims of domestic abuse not being heard.

Why are the elderly not getting free care..

Nasty people in all walks of life.

Blm

My life matters too.

All lives do matter but not all lives are treated equally.

There are issues everywhere and no one is disputing that. I agree that grooming gangs haven't been given the amount of media attention it deserves as it's a awful and important subject to be spoken about.

The mee too movement is helping victims of domestic abuse speak up.

Free care for elderly is up to the government really.

The problem is that black people and minorities are treated unequally as a group regardless of who we are. In the US he wasn't the first and if we don't change things we wouldn't be the last killed unfairly, especially when police get cleared of any wrongdoing

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By *Wman15Man over a year ago

Altrincham

"All lives matter

#be kind

Inequalities lie in ever corner because of the perpetrators poer and control

What happened in America was utterly appalling to kill an unarmed man.

Why are the girls who been sexualy abused /grooming gangs not getting the same press coverage you could argue..

Why are victims of domestic abuse not being heard.

Why are the elderly not getting free care..

Nasty people in all walks of life.

Blm

My life matters too.

All lives do matter but not all lives are treated equally.

The mee too movement is helping victims of domestic abuse speak up.

Free care for elderly is up to the government really.

Good post

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By *lansmanMan over a year ago

Sheffield

"All lives matter

#be kind

Inequalities lie in ever corner because of the perpetrators poer and control

What happened in America was utterly appalling to kill an unarmed man.

Why are the girls who been sexualy abused /grooming gangs not getting the same press coverage you could argue..

Why are victims of domestic abuse not being heard.

Why are the elderly not getting free care..

Nasty people in all walks of life.

Blm

My life matters too.

All lives do matter but not all lives are treated equally.

The mee too movement is helping victims of domestic abuse speak up.

Free care for elderly is up to the government really.

It's really serious in the US , blacks get shot .. dead .. on a completely different scale to the UK. Theres still a sort of segregation too . New Orleans anyone ? And as for Detroit it's a wasteland in the predominantly black areas.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

"All lives matter

#be kind

Inequalities lie in ever corner because of the perpetrators poer and control

What happened in America was utterly appalling to kill an unarmed man.

Why are the girls who been sexualy abused /grooming gangs not getting the same press coverage you could argue..

Why are victims of domestic abuse not being heard.

Why are the elderly not getting free care..

Nasty people in all walks of life.

Blm

My life matters too.

Why do people only do this when the subject is black lives?

If there was a topic about childhood cancer you wouldn't go onto it and write this stuff about how other issues are important too. You'd just discuss the topic.

Is it because some white people can't cope with a conversation that isn't about them?

Sure seems like it sometimes.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

what have i learnt from this thread...

the time to have the conversation about "race and inequalities".... never!

its not the time when someone gets murdered, and it snot the time when people are loud and protest, and its not the time when people were peaceful and taking a knee

there is always something that comes up... its never the time....

people can live in their blissful bubbles and because its never happened to them it doesn't happen...

or people try to frame it to justify.....

or use whataboutism.....

or deflect or hijack the there... oooh big shiny object!!!!

the thread is very telling.... because you have seen all those tactic in one thread....

so if you could tell me when exactly is the time to have this conversation... which has been going on in this from world war... thru the windrush generation... thru the rise of the 2nd generation black people and the 80's riots..... thru stephen lawrence and the 00's.... thru to now.......

tell me when it is the time to have this conversation.... i'll set it in my diary, i'll be there!!!

its not "black lives matter only"... its black lives matter AS WELL!

ineqalities in healthcare, in jobs, in education, in income, and yes in aspects of policing ect ect ect.....

least racist doesn't mean no racism isn't going on... so stop giving yourselves a pat on the back!

you can do better....

i feel like i am saying the same thing in every bloody single thread! yes it is an uncomfortable conversation to have, but if anything is going to change then you have to start by looking inward and acknowledging the fact you have a head start based on the colour of your skin....

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

There is a word missing: too. Black lives matter too.

I have been watching CNN, Fox, YouTube etc at the hell black Americans live in. As a first generation Windrush I've experienced racism. You hear the occasional racial mutterings etc but nothing, and i mean nothing like what's experienced by black Americans in 2020.

Arrested for clearing leaves from your own drive.

Profiled when sat with friends and handcuffed, black guy was a FBI agent.

Pulled over for having two white kids in the car (baby sitter).

Handcuffed in halls of residence (Yale) because a white student saw a black student who didn't belong there.

White man phoned police as he saw two black men breaking into a house (estate agent and potential buyer).

White policeman threw a 15 year old girl in a bikini on the floor and straddled her and drew his weapon when her friends were begging him to get off.

White women calling the police on black men, one even accused an 8 year old boy of groping her. CCTV showed he didn't even look at her, his rucksack brushed past her...and I could go on.

Black people are being hunted in America. It's all there to see for yourselves, it is scary, sad and very disheartening.

I don't know why they are so quiet about it. I don't know why hell has not been unleashed. I wouldn't survive America because the outcome would not be pretty if a white person came and asked me for id walking down the road.

Disclaimer: partner white. Son in law white. Brother-in-law white. Grandchildren bi racial: no axe to grind here.

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By *arakiss12TV/TS over a year ago

Bedford

"It is by all means unfortunate that the protest against systemic racism and police brutality is taking place against the current backdrop of the Covid-19 global pandemic.

Now the idea that it is somehow acceptable that George Floyd died after supposedly using a counterfeit $20 note at a store at the hands of the police whilst unarmed is plainly ridiculous.

How often do we see the extrajudicial killing of black unarmed men whilst in police custody...?

The answer is too many times!

Whilst yes this incident might have occurred in the USA, the UK is not without it's faults & goes some way to explain how and why this is a global movement & people are marching worldwide.

The struggle continues.

Educate yourselves on the subject & do better.

BLACK LIVES MATTER.

ALWAYS AND FOREVER.

Maybe 40 or so years rap music culture promoting abuse toward women drive by shootings gang and drug culture haven't done the young black men who died in custody any favours.

It's not just police brutality that's the issue, it's the causes and effect.

If George Floyd chose to stay at home and read a book on black history instead of trying to rip off an Asian shopkeeper things would have been better for him.

I think George needed to get with times. He was a grown man behaving like a teenager attracting police attention, he got the wrong kind. He was the master of his own destiny.

Not saying he deserved to die, what he did deserve was a chance to apologise for ripping off an Asian shopkeeper and paying him back and wasting police time.

The police officer who killed him will probably get off with a manslaughter charge. To prove he was intending to kill him will be extremely difficult.

George Floyds death will be in vain because it has been hijacked by looters and left extremists. The true BML supporters are being tainted.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't think a white man can really understand racism. You need to experience it as a black person. White men are the most privilaged."

BULLSHIT

Walk the streets of Liberia and you will be lucky to get out alive if you are white,

good possibility you may end up as lunch too

why dont you google - cannibal soldiers of liberia

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By *ssex guy64Man over a year ago

futurama land

As long as everyone who is say this is OK to protest during a pandemic are happy that it could lead to more deaths and contagion then you be happy in your life, I fore one believe in protest and I believe that an injustice was done but putting other people in harms way is just so wrong, yes I am a white male and I will never know what it's like to be racial abused but I also don't want to die at the hands of a virus that wants to kill us all and the protesters are giving it hosts to do this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I know this will not be popular but think the protests in london over the USA police brutality of Floyd is selfish and verging on ridiculous.

Where is the evidence it was racist rather than an incompetent brutal police act?

Police will lye to get themselves out of trouble, that is human nature.

#all lives matter, no mass protests, save lives, protect the NHS

Peace & love to all

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By *oan of DArcCouple over a year ago

Glasgow

"I don't think a white man can really understand racism. You need to experience it as a black person. White men are the most privilaged.

BULLSHIT

Walk the streets of Liberia and you will be lucky to get out alive if you are white,

good possibility you may end up as lunch too

why dont you google - cannibal soldiers of liberia"

I'm not sure we're talking about Liberia or the centuries of black oppression of whites in that country.

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

Prepares yourselves for another lockdown.

A lot of those protestors today for sure live with Mummy and Daddy and now the everybody is going or gone back to work.

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By *ty31Man over a year ago

NW London

The Black Lives Matter campaign has raised many valid points and highlighted significant issues which need to be addressed in society and it's been very positive to see so many people stand up against racism.

However in my opinion, the current protests are focusing so much on police behaviours and not enough on the even bigger issue of black on black violence and homicide. I think part of the Black Lives Matter movement should be demanding answers and action on why so many black people are dying young.

Also I feel that the current demonstrations have been hijacked by groups of yobs who want to use it as a convenient excuse to cause vandalism and start fights with police officers, which I think undermines the movement's core motives and gives people a negative view.

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By *D835Man over a year ago

London

***....if you haven’t done anything you haven’t got anything to worry about with the police...****

Shows how much you know.

Ask some of those out there protesting, hopefully they can educate you a bit more.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't think a white man can really understand racism. You need to experience it as a black person. White men are the most privilaged.

BULLSHIT

Walk the streets of Liberia and you will be lucky to get out alive if you are white,

good possibility you may end up as lunch too

why dont you google - cannibal soldiers of liberia

I'm not sure we're talking about Liberia or the centuries of black oppression of whites in that country."

I don't think there's any point in debating with him.

When someone has to bring up some cannical group in Liberia you know they don't have a leg to stand on.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As long as everyone who is say this is OK to protest during a pandemic are happy that it could lead to more deaths and contagion then you be happy in your life, I fore one believe in protest and I believe that an injustice was done but putting other people in harms way is just so wrong, yes I am a white male and I will never know what it's like to be racial abused but I also don't want to die at the hands of a virus that wants to kill us all and the protesters are giving it hosts to do this. "

And this is a good stance to have on the subject. No one truly wants to protest and people having issues with it is justified.

Unfortunately we have to do it to try and stop the problems black people and minorities face from happening in the future

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

Also compare two cases.

Dylan Flood walks into a black church and kills 19 black people, one being a state senator. On his way to the police station the police walk him into Burger King and pay for his big whopper and fries...he gets his day in court.

George Floyd allegedly passed a fake $20 bill and is murdered in front of us by a policeman.

That sadly seems to be how the police operate. I personally think the black officers are gutless wonders. How can you trust being partnered with officers like that. You're more likely to ge shot by your own partner.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Black Lives Matter campaign has raised many valid points and highlighted significant issues which need to be addressed in society and it's been very positive to see so many people stand up against racism.

Why would an anti-racism movement talk about black on black crime? It's a different issue (albeit, being the effect of institutional racism).

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By *iseekingbiCouple over a year ago

N ireland and West Midlands

Wow just wow! Even if he'd murdered someone he shouldn't have been killed like that. Have a block

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Wow just wow! Even if he'd murdered someone he shouldn't have been killed like that. Have a block "

Have a block?

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I think George needed to get with times. He was a grown man behaving like a teenager attracting police attention, he got the wrong kind. He was the master of his own destiny.

Not saying he deserved to die, what he did deserve was a chance to apologise for ripping off an Asian shopkeeper and paying him back and wasting police time.

The police officer who killed him will probably get off with a manslaughter charge. To prove he was intending to kill him will be extremely difficult.

George Floyds death will be in vain because it has been hijacked by looters and left extremists. The true BML supporters are being tainted.

see... and this is what we are up again... because you have made up and entire narrative in your head to justify what happened.... problem is we have it on video.. police bodycam, cctv, and mobile phones...

so here is what we know...

1)he never resisted arrest at any point...

2) one cop put knee on neck, 2 others had knees on the body....

3) we know he was such a threat to the cops that cope with knee on neck actually also hand his hands in his pockets... for that super surprise move!

4) they had it there for 8 minutes and 46 seconds....

5) he was saying i can't breathe, and callingout for his momma (he knew he was about to die!)

6) according to the ME report... he stopped breathing after 6 minutes... which means for the last 3 he was unresponsive and STILL had a knee placed on his neck!

so how dare you place a different narrative... you may lie.... but video doesn't!!!!

disgusting!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Wow just wow! Even if he'd murdered someone he shouldn't have been killed like that. Have a block

Have a block?"

The user blocked the poster on here

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Wow just wow! Even if he'd murdered someone he shouldn't have been killed like that. Have a block

Have a block?

The user blocked the poster on here

That will teach him

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't think a white man can really understand racism. You need to experience it as a black person. White men are the most privilaged.

BULLSHIT

Walk the streets of Liberia and you will be lucky to get out alive if you are white,

good possibility you may end up as lunch too

why dont you google - cannibal soldiers of liberia

I'm not sure we're talking about Liberia or the centuries of black oppression of whites in that country.

I don't think there's any point in debating with him.

When someone has to bring up some cannical group in Liberia you know they don't have a leg to stand on."

Fucksake did they eat his leg

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Apparently 42 percent white die during arrest, 32 percent black 20 Latino, and on news night, when the ex New York police chief was asked about it, of the officers charged the police union back them, as would a teachers union or plumbers etc and 46 percent are found innocent. And a neck hold is legal but she didn't give full details of what that involves. Don't shoot the messenger!

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

"It is by all means unfortunate that the protest against systemic racism and police brutality is taking place against the current backdrop of the Covid-19 global pandemic.

Now the idea that it is somehow acceptable that George Floyd died after supposedly using a counterfeit $20 note at a store at the hands of the police whilst unarmed is plainly ridiculous.

How often do we see the extrajudicial killing of black unarmed men whilst in police custody...?

The answer is too many times!

Whilst yes this incident might have occurred in the USA, the UK is not without it's faults & goes some way to explain how and why this is a global movement & people are marching worldwide.

The struggle continues.

Educate yourselves on the subject & do better.

BLACK LIVES MATTER.

ALWAYS AND FOREVER.

Maybe 40 or so years rap music culture promoting abuse toward women drive by shootings gang and drug culture haven't done the young black men who died in custody any favours.

It's not just police brutality that's the issue, it's the causes and effect.

If George Floyd chose to stay at home and read a book on black history instead of trying to rip off an Asian shopkeeper things would have been better for him.

I think George needed to get with times. He was a grown man behaving like a teenager attracting police attention, he got the wrong kind. He was the master of his own destiny.

Not saying he deserved to die, what he did deserve was a chance to apologise for ripping off an Asian shopkeeper and paying him back and wasting police time.

The police officer who killed him will probably get off with a manslaughter charge. To prove he was intending to kill him will be extremely difficult.

George Floyds death will be in vain because it has been hijacked by looters and left extremists. The true BML supporters are being tainted.

Wow, you're blaming the man who was brutally murdered for his own murder?

Kneeling on someone's neck while they beg for their life doesn't show intent? Really?

There is no way this can be twisted to be George's fault, he died terrified and in pain, whichever way you look at it, it was murder, plain and simple.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I don't think a white man can really understand racism. You need to experience it as a black person. White men are the most privilaged.

BULLSHIT

Walk the streets of Liberia and you will be lucky to get out alive if you are white,

good possibility you may end up as lunch too

why dont you google - cannibal soldiers of liberia

I'm not sure we're talking about Liberia or the centuries of black oppression of whites in that country.

I don't think there's any point in debating with him.

When someone has to bring up some cannical group in Liberia you know they don't have a leg to stand on.

Fucksake did they eat his leg

It would explain why he's so angry towards Liberians

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By *rumalexMan over a year ago

Birmingham

Another thing to think about, the cop with his knee on the mans neck knew he was been filmed, so what goes on when there are no cameras about?

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By *iseekingbiCouple over a year ago

N ireland and West Midlands

"what have i learnt from this thread...

the time to have the conversation about "race and inequalities".... never!

its not the time when someone gets murdered, and it snot the time when people are loud and protest, and its not the time when people were peaceful and taking a knee

there is always something that comes up... its never the time....

people can live in their blissful bubbles and because its never happened to them it doesn't happen...

or people try to frame it to justify.....

or use whataboutism.....

or deflect or hijack the there... oooh big shiny object!!!!

the thread is very telling.... because you have seen all those tactic in one thread....

tell me when it is the time to have this conversation.... i'll set it in my diary, i'll be there!!!

its not "black lives matter only"... its black lives matter AS WELL!

ineqalities in healthcare, in jobs, in education, in income, and yes in aspects of policing ect ect ect.....

least racist doesn't mean no racism isn't going on... so stop giving yourselves a pat on the back!

you can do better....

Good Post.

It is surprising that people who have open minded, refreshing attitudes to sex don't apply that same open mind and willingness to learn to race, class etc.

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By *arakiss12TV/TS over a year ago

Bedford

If you haven't done anything you haven't got anything to worry about? i wish i grew up in your world

Ah but you did. It's that easy, stay out of trouble and good things come your way.

Being non white has it's advantages too.

Now did that happening make you think all police are racist? Are your nephews adopting a gang culture look or attitude?

Have you thought about not just the fact the colour of your skin was the issue but the baggage it carries. Remember you are carrying the baggage of other badder dudes, the police who dealt with you may have been carrying a grievence after seeing or dealing a genuine case and took it out on you.

All cultures need to police their peers.

I don't excuse the bad police but the causes and effects need to be looked into more deeply if people really want to live in harmony.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The crap you read on here sometimes......

Until anyone has walked a day in the life as a black man... please keep what you think you know about racism to yourself.......

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It is by all means unfortunate that the protest against systemic racism and police brutality is taking place against the current backdrop of the Covid-19 global pandemic.

Now the idea that it is somehow acceptable that George Floyd died after supposedly using a counterfeit $20 note at a store at the hands of the police whilst unarmed is plainly ridiculous.

How often do we see the extrajudicial killing of black unarmed men whilst in police custody...?

The answer is too many times!

Whilst yes this incident might have occurred in the USA, the UK is not without it's faults & goes some way to explain how and why this is a global movement & people are marching worldwide.

The struggle continues.

Educate yourselves on the subject & do better.

BLACK LIVES MATTER.

ALWAYS AND FOREVER.

Maybe 40 or so years rap music culture promoting abuse toward women drive by shootings gang and drug culture haven't done the young black men who died in custody any favours.

It's not just police brutality that's the issue, it's the causes and effect.

If George Floyd chose to stay at home and read a book on black history instead of trying to rip off an Asian shopkeeper things would have been better for him.

I think George needed to get with times. He was a grown man behaving like a teenager attracting police attention, he got the wrong kind. He was the master of his own destiny.

Not saying he deserved to die, what he did deserve was a chance to apologise for ripping off an Asian shopkeeper and paying him back and wasting police time.

The police officer who killed him will probably get off with a manslaughter charge. To prove he was intending to kill him will be extremely difficult.

George Floyds death will be in vain because it has been hijacked by looters and left extremists. The true BML supporters are being tainted.

You need to get with the times, I hope you are a troll because otherwise you really just are the prime example of the problem here, seriously, cringeworthy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"black people have been systematically oppressed for hundreds of thousands of years" - is a little excessive. Tribalism in African is still rife with not a white man in sight.

Yeah? You just gonna forget about slavery? "

How on earth did you get I had forgotten about slavery from what I posted? I really do not think you understood what I said at all.

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By *wisted999Man over a year ago

North Bucks

No one disputes George Floyd had a criminal record yes he did some pretty horrible shit. (And thanks to some other horrible fucks his porn videos are trending)

BUT

He passed a fake 20 dollar bill and then was casually and callously killed in full view of the public. With complete and utter disdain for his welfare and the onlookers who were filming. All while he had his hands in pockets and was quipping to onlookers don’t do drugs kids.

It was such an overt act of cruelty and indifference that highlighted the gulf in treatment.

Irrespective of his past he did not deserve to suffer such a horrible end. The poor lad in his final moments was calling for his mother. I dare anyone to watch it and see it for what it is.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Apparently 42 percent white die during arrest, 32 percent black 20 Latino, and on news night, when the ex New York police chief was asked about it, of the officers charged the police union back them, as would a teachers union or plumbers etc and 46 percent are found innocent. And a neck hold is legal but she didn't give full details of what that involves. Don't shoot the messenger! "

if you are talking about new york state... c hokeholds have been banned.... it was banned after the murder of Eric Garner...

stopped me if you have heard this type of story before....

he was murdered by a cop... after a mobile phone video caught him being c hoked out by a cop for 8 minutes.... he got away with it!

he is famous for saying "i can't breathe" 8 times during his ordeal

hmmm... i can't breathe for some reason sounds familiar.. hmmmmm

anyway.... his crime of the century.... selling "loosies" (loose cigarettes to you and me!)