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"Just seen on the news this morning that 60 year olds need to wear medical grade face masks when going to shops ect... So not old socks and t-shirts. Made me wonder if they will be readily available. Your thoughts on this? " Wearing them is advisory according to WHO, no doubt Boris will say it is mandatory. Finding them will be near impossible according to a friendly nurse. I am now in my 80th year and have survived all that has been thrown at us including Hitlers bombs, just hope I can keep the virus at bay. | |||
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"The chemist local to me are selling them. The local GP also give you one now if you’re attending an appointment. I just hope people are wise enough to keep them and not bin them as the GP does not have infinite supply. " Whats a G.P. Appointment ????  | |||
"Doesn't really make sense as a mask protects others and not the wearer " With this virus and this government nothing makes sense. | |||
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"Just seen on the news this morning that 60 year olds need to wear medical grade face masks when going to shops ect... So not old socks and t-shirts. Made me wonder if they will be readily available. Your thoughts on this? Wearing them is advisory according to WHO, no doubt Boris will say it is mandatory. Finding them will be near impossible according to a friendly nurse. I am now in my 80th year and have survived all that has been thrown at us including Hitlers bombs, just hope I can keep the virus at bay." Yeah I think they will be hard to source at a decent price now. But hang in there you....you are make of the right stuff to survive this  | |||
"Doesn't really make sense as a mask protects others and not the wearer " That has always been a fallacy...correctly fitted and used correctly FFP3 masks have always benefited the wearer too. | |||
"The chemist local to me are selling them. The local GP also give you one now if you’re attending an appointment. I just hope people are wise enough to keep them and not bin them as the GP does not have infinite supply. Whats a G.P. Appointment ???? "A phone call | |||
"The medical grade masks do offer some protection to the user, I am over 60 have a few medical problems but am still working & find getting any PPE difficult " Try car spray shop suppliers  | |||
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"Just seen on the news this morning that 60 year olds need to wear medical grade face masks when going to shops ect... So not old socks and t-shirts. Made me wonder if they will be readily available. Your thoughts on this? " We can rely on this gvt to have enough of those in two years’ time... | |||
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"The medical grade masks do offer some protection to the user, I am over 60 have a few medical problems but am still working & find getting any PPE difficult Try car spray shop suppliers "Thanks ... this is why i cannot get any to do my work. | |||
"The medical grade masks do offer some protection to the user, I am over 60 have a few medical problems but am still working & find getting any PPE difficult Try car spray shop suppliers
Thanks ... this is why i cannot get any to do my work."Some you win some you lose eh | |||
"The medical grade masks do offer some protection to the user, I am over 60 have a few medical problems but am still working & find getting any PPE difficult Try car spray shop suppliers "uncle is a paint sprayer and he cant get masks or filters at the mo.there are none to be had.he orderd some on line when they turned up they wasnt the ones he orderd | |||
"well, i am 61 and WILL NOT be wearing a face mask when i go shpping, people need to get a grip and get on with life !!! . "I agree with you, for what it's worth. | |||
"well, i am 61 and WILL NOT be wearing a face mask when i go shpping, people need to get a grip and get on with life !!! . "I wonder why we have the largest death toll in Europe The Germans seem to listen to what they are asked to do ... Strange times | |||
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"well, i am 61 and WILL NOT be wearing a face mask when i go shpping, people need to get a grip and get on with life !!! .
I wonder why we have the largest death toll in Europe
The Germans seem to listen to what they are asked to do ... Strange times"The good think is we can of course blame the government for everything that happens to us as a result of our own actions | |||
"Doesn't really make sense as a mask protects others and not the wearer That has always been a fallacy...correctly fitted and used correctly FFP3 masks have always benefited the wearer too." But you do need to change them every 30 mins .. they don't provide protection for too long . As soon as they are damp they loose effectiveness. | |||
"Just seen on the news this morning that 60 year olds need to wear medical grade face masks when going to shops ect... So not old socks and t-shirts. Made me wonder if they will be readily available. Your thoughts on this? " Not heard this but if so my surgery will mail me,I have face masks but not medical grade,not been in any situation to wear one yet. Due to supply do not really believe this allthough you allways post well so I guess it could be true but I hope not | |||
"well, i am 61 and WILL NOT be wearing a face mask when i go shpping, people need to get a grip and get on with life !!! .
I agree with you, for what it's worth." | |||
"It’s a recommendation by WHO if you’re 60+ with underlying health conditions." I do not often agree with Trump but the WHO are a load of idiots in my view | |||
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But only 3 packs of 5 allowed per purchase as they would be selling on fleabay for 10 x that price | |||
"The medical grade masks do offer some protection to the user, I am over 60 have a few medical problems but am still working & find getting any PPE difficult " Pointless unless you shave off that beard. | |||
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"The medical grade masks do offer some protection to the user, I am over 60 have a few medical problems but am still working & find getting any PPE difficult Pointless unless you shave off that beard." You talking to me? | |||
"Just seen on the news this morning that 60 year olds need to wear medical grade face masks when going to shops ect... So not old socks and t-shirts. Made me wonder if they will be readily available. Your thoughts on this? " They sell n95 surgical masks in my local petrol station. £2.60 per masks. I hope our government gives them free to the elderly like they do in China. Masks are only really effective if everyone in the supermarket wears them. | |||
"The medical grade masks do offer some protection to the user, I am over 60 have a few medical problems but am still working & find getting any PPE difficult Try car spray shop suppliers
uncle is a paint sprayer and he cant get masks or filters at the mo.there are none to be had.he orderd some on line when they turned up they wasnt the ones he orderd"That's sad to know. So he can't do his job properly without affecting his health? | |||
"Ffp3 are for fumes and fine particles not vapour Will stop saliva coming out as will most material coverings but won't stop mist vapour coming in" You will find they stop mists which is the same as vapours...a FFP3 will stop 99%(also known as a N99) and the FFP2 will stop 95% (also know as a N95) but as pointed out on this thread earlier...prolonged use will dampen them and ruin the inbuilt layer that protects against mists. Hence they cannot be washed. But they can be cleaned with the correct chemicals ,just as long as you dont wear them too long and the get too wet through your own vapour. Have a good day  | |||
"The medical grade masks do offer some protection to the user, I am over 60 have a few medical problems but am still working & find getting any PPE difficult Try car spray shop suppliers
uncle is a paint sprayer and he cant get masks or filters at the mo.there are none to be had.he orderd some on line when they turned up they wasnt the ones he orderd
That's sad to know. So he can't do his job properly without affecting his health? "Since you have pointed out where you can buy them and so have I. I wonder why he cant buy them... | |||
"The chemist local to me are selling them. The local GP also give you one now if you’re attending an appointment. I just hope people are wise enough to keep them and not bin them as the GP does not have infinite supply. Whats a G.P. Appointment ???? "Oh dont... lol | |||
"The medical grade masks do offer some protection to the user, I am over 60 have a few medical problems but am still working & find getting any PPE difficult Try car spray shop suppliers
uncle is a paint sprayer and he cant get masks or filters at the mo.there are none to be had.he orderd some on line when they turned up they wasnt the ones he orderd
That's sad to know. So he can't do his job properly without affecting his health? "nope he cant place he usually buys his filters has told him hopefully nxt 14days they will have some in so hes orderd his usual amount.luckily he also mechanic so has some sort of income at the mo as the gov help he getting. is not covering a lot of his outgoings | |||
"The medical grade masks do offer some protection to the user, I am over 60 have a few medical problems but am still working & find getting any PPE difficult Try car spray shop suppliers
uncle is a paint sprayer and he cant get masks or filters at the mo.there are none to be had.he orderd some on line when they turned up they wasnt the ones he orderd
That's sad to know. So he can't do his job properly without affecting his health?
Since you have pointed out where you can buy them and so have I. I wonder why he cant buy them..."i not pointed out where you can buy them?ur talking about face mask he after the filters to fit his respitator for when he in the spray booth seems as when this started you had peeps stock pilling that why it so hard to get them now | |||
"The medical grade masks do offer some protection to the user, I am over 60 have a few medical problems but am still working & find getting any PPE difficult Try car spray shop suppliers
uncle is a paint sprayer and he cant get masks or filters at the mo.there are none to be had.he orderd some on line when they turned up they wasnt the ones he orderd
That's sad to know. So he can't do his job properly without affecting his health?
Since you have pointed out where you can buy them and so have I. I wonder why he cant buy them...
i not pointed out where you can buy them?ur talking about face mask he after the filters to fit his respitator for when he in the spray booth seems as when this started you had peeps stock pilling that why it so hard to get them now"Loads of them heavy duty types in screwfix when I looked yesterday,I've also seen them in B&Q and toolstation. I would have thought there was to not too much of a problem with them...the so called single use ones I can understand | |||
"The medical grade masks do offer some protection to the user, I am over 60 have a few medical problems but am still working & find getting any PPE difficult Try car spray shop suppliers
uncle is a paint sprayer and he cant get masks or filters at the mo.there are none to be had.he orderd some on line when they turned up they wasnt the ones he orderd
That's sad to know. So he can't do his job properly without affecting his health?
Since you have pointed out where you can buy them and so have I. I wonder why he cant buy them...
i not pointed out where you can buy them?ur talking about face mask he after the filters to fit his respitator for when he in the spray booth seems as when this started you had peeps stock pilling that why it so hard to get them now
Loads of them heavy duty types in screwfix when I looked yesterday,I've also seen them in B&Q and toolstation. I would have thought there was to not too much of a problem with them...the so called single use ones I can understand "There is no reusable mask suitable for protection from the virus | |||
"The medical grade masks do offer some protection to the user, I am over 60 have a few medical problems but am still working & find getting any PPE difficult Try car spray shop suppliers
uncle is a paint sprayer and he cant get masks or filters at the mo.there are none to be had.he orderd some on line when they turned up they wasnt the ones he orderd
That's sad to know. So he can't do his job properly without affecting his health?
Since you have pointed out where you can buy them and so have I. I wonder why he cant buy them...
i not pointed out where you can buy them?ur talking about face mask he after the filters to fit his respitator for when he in the spray booth seems as when this started you had peeps stock pilling that why it so hard to get them now
Loads of them heavy duty types in screwfix when I looked yesterday,I've also seen them in B&Q and toolstation. I would have thought there was to not too much of a problem with them...the so called single use ones I can understand
There is no reusable mask suitable for protection from the virus"He's on about paint spraying though...all us buggers trying to stay alive are stopping the job | |||
"I think it's a case of using what we can, which may mean homemade stuff, as stocks are going to be scarce. " Socks gonna be scarce too if we make masks from these... | |||
"I think it's a case of using what we can, which may mean homemade stuff, as stocks are going to be scarce. Socks gonna be scarce too if we make masks from these..." Especially for that bloke who's always losing one | |||
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"Sorry but ffp3 don't protect against aerosols and mists that's why people who spray have different types of mask A mask of this sort will only stop outward spray from coughs n sneezes but once wet are useless The ffp3 filter only stops particals such as dust n soot they will not stop any vapours from being breathed in Trust me I'm trained in face sitting" FIFY | |||
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"I think it's a case of using what we can, which may mean homemade stuff, as stocks are going to be scarce. Socks gonna be scarce too if we make masks from these... Especially for that bloke who's always losing one ", They get eaten by the washing machine monster  | |||
"I think it's a case of using what we can, which may mean homemade stuff, as stocks are going to be scarce. Socks gonna be scarce too if we make masks from these... Especially for that bloke who's always losing one ,
They get eaten by the washing machine monster "Got one of them buggers too | |||
"I think it's a case of using what we can, which may mean homemade stuff, as stocks are going to be scarce. Socks gonna be scarce too if we make masks from these... Especially for that bloke who's always losing one ,
They get eaten by the washing machine monster
Got one of them buggers too"Haha! | |||
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"Masks are the last of our problems. 8,700,000 on furlough and 3 million + unemployed a real possibly in the face of no deal brexit and a global recession " Yeah I guess that you being nowhere near 60 the thread wont bother you. As that what the thread is about...so take your Brexit to the politics forum eh | |||
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"If you really want to protect yourselves wear an N95 mask not a regular "medical grade" surgical mask. Problem is N95 not easy to buy and they ideally do need to be "fitted" to your face but still, even without that better to use that than surgical masks. N95 masks are not so easy to wear for prolonged periods. Best if you're vulnerable and have to go out, buy one from ebay or somewhere else paying 10X the sane price and reuse it when you have to they do last." That's nonsense, you can't possibly reuse it. If you are exposed to the virus and the mask is contaminated then it needs to be properly removed and destroyed otherwise the wearer will contaminate themselves directly or indirectly Reusable kit needs PROPER removal, storage and sterisation. Most masks cannot be sterilised and definitely not at home You'd be better off with a t towel round your face | |||
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"If you really want to protect yourselves wear an N95 mask not a regular "medical grade" surgical mask. Problem is N95 not easy to buy and they ideally do need to be "fitted" to your face but still, even without that better to use that than surgical masks. N95 masks are not so easy to wear for prolonged periods. Best if you're vulnerable and have to go out, buy one from ebay or somewhere else paying 10X the sane price and reuse it when you have to they do last. That's nonsense, you can't possibly reuse it. If you are exposed to the virus and the mask is contaminated then it needs to be properly removed and destroyed otherwise the wearer will contaminate themselves directly or indirectly Reusable kit needs PROPER removal, storage and sterisation. Most masks cannot be sterilised and definitely not at home You'd be better off with a t towel round your face" Your wrong. I use isopropyl to kill any bugs on mine...you cant wash them as water wrecks the filter. But isopropyl is 99.9% alcohol so it kills any bugs and dries super..super fast | |||
"If you really want to protect yourselves wear an N95 mask not a regular "medical grade" surgical mask. Problem is N95 not easy to buy and they ideally do need to be "fitted" to your face but still, even without that better to use that than surgical masks. N95 masks are not so easy to wear for prolonged periods. Best if you're vulnerable and have to go out, buy one from ebay or somewhere else paying 10X the sane price and reuse it when you have to they do last. That's nonsense, you can't possibly reuse it. If you are exposed to the virus and the mask is contaminated then it needs to be properly removed and destroyed otherwise the wearer will contaminate themselves directly or indirectly Reusable kit needs PROPER removal, storage and sterisation. Most masks cannot be sterilised and definitely not at home You'd be better off with a t towel round your face Your wrong. I use isopropyl to kill any bugs on mine...you cant wash them as water wrecks the filter. But isopropyl is 99.9% alcohol so it kills any bugs and dries super..super fast "Best of luck but please don't recommend that to vulnerable people as it's not an approved method of decontamination and there's no way to know for sure it worked. Unless of course someone is selling one that is CE marked and comes with a specific procedure that can be verified. | |||
"If you really want to protect yourselves wear an N95 mask not a regular "medical grade" surgical mask. Problem is N95 not easy to buy and they ideally do need to be "fitted" to your face but still, even without that better to use that than surgical masks. N95 masks are not so easy to wear for prolonged periods. Best if you're vulnerable and have to go out, buy one from ebay or somewhere else paying 10X the sane price and reuse it when you have to they do last. That's nonsense, you can't possibly reuse it. If you are exposed to the virus and the mask is contaminated then it needs to be properly removed and destroyed otherwise the wearer will contaminate themselves directly or indirectly Reusable kit needs PROPER removal, storage and sterisation. Most masks cannot be sterilised and definitely not at home You'd be better off with a t towel round your face Your wrong. I use isopropyl to kill any bugs on mine...you cant wash them as water wrecks the filter. But isopropyl is 99.9% alcohol so it kills any bugs and dries super..super fast
Best of luck but please don't recommend that to vulnerable people as it's not an approved method of decontamination and there's no way to know for sure it worked. Unless of course someone is selling one that is CE marked and comes with a specific procedure that can be verified.
"I cant provide a link, but if you Google you'll find it Method #1: 70 – 75% Ethanol Bath Followed by Drying Decontamination: Ethanol has been found to be effective in viral decontamination after as little as 10 minutes of exposure (Fischer 2020) Integrity: Filtration efficacy fell below 95% after a single decon cycle (56%) (Stanford Medicine 2020) Recommendation: Ethanol Bath is not a safe method for decon as it results in non-protective masks after a single decon cycle. | |||
"If you really want to protect yourselves wear an N95 mask not a regular "medical grade" surgical mask. Problem is N95 not easy to buy and they ideally do need to be "fitted" to your face but still, even without that better to use that than surgical masks. N95 masks are not so easy to wear for prolonged periods. Best if you're vulnerable and have to go out, buy one from ebay or somewhere else paying 10X the sane price and reuse it when you have to they do last. That's nonsense, you can't possibly reuse it. If you are exposed to the virus and the mask is contaminated then it needs to be properly removed and destroyed otherwise the wearer will contaminate themselves directly or indirectly Reusable kit needs PROPER removal, storage and sterisation. Most masks cannot be sterilised and definitely not at home You'd be better off with a t towel round your face Your wrong. I use isopropyl to kill any bugs on mine...you cant wash them as water wrecks the filter. But isopropyl is 99.9% alcohol so it kills any bugs and dries super..super fast
Best of luck but please don't recommend that to vulnerable people as it's not an approved method of decontamination and there's no way to know for sure it worked. Unless of course someone is selling one that is CE marked and comes with a specific procedure that can be verified.
I cant provide a link, but if you Google you'll find it
Method #1: 70 – 75% Ethanol Bath Followed by Drying
Decontamination: Ethanol has been found to be effective in viral decontamination after as little as 10 minutes of exposure (Fischer 2020)
Integrity: Filtration efficacy fell below 95% after a single decon cycle (56%) (Stanford Medicine 2020)
Recommendation: Ethanol Bath is not a safe method for decon as it results in non-protective masks after a single decon cycle."Believe me it's isopropyl not 70-75% ethanol...its 99.9% alcohol and you dont bath them...you spray them and they dry almost instant...been using it for 3 months. You can pick a litre up on ebay for £12. You will get around 10 uses per mask. | |||
"If you really want to protect yourselves wear an N95 mask not a regular "medical grade" surgical mask. Problem is N95 not easy to buy and they ideally do need to be "fitted" to your face but still, even without that better to use that than surgical masks. N95 masks are not so easy to wear for prolonged periods. Best if you're vulnerable and have to go out, buy one from ebay or somewhere else paying 10X the sane price and reuse it when you have to they do last. That's nonsense, you can't possibly reuse it. If you are exposed to the virus and the mask is contaminated then it needs to be properly removed and destroyed otherwise the wearer will contaminate themselves directly or indirectly Reusable kit needs PROPER removal, storage and sterisation. Most masks cannot be sterilised and definitely not at home You'd be better off with a t towel round your face Your wrong. I use isopropyl to kill any bugs on mine...you cant wash them as water wrecks the filter. But isopropyl is 99.9% alcohol so it kills any bugs and dries super..super fast
Best of luck but please don't recommend that to vulnerable people as it's not an approved method of decontamination and there's no way to know for sure it worked. Unless of course someone is selling one that is CE marked and comes with a specific procedure that can be verified.
I cant provide a link, but if you Google you'll find it
Method #1: 70 – 75% Ethanol Bath Followed by Drying
Decontamination: Ethanol has been found to be effective in viral decontamination after as little as 10 minutes of exposure (Fischer 2020)
Integrity: Filtration efficacy fell below 95% after a single decon cycle (56%) (Stanford Medicine 2020)
Recommendation: Ethanol Bath is not a safe method for decon as it results in non-protective masks after a single decon cycle.
Believe me it's isopropyl not 70-75% ethanol...its 99.9% alcohol and you dont bath them...you spray them and they dry almost instant...been using it for 3 months. You can pick a litre up on ebay for £12. You will get around 10 uses per mask."There's no point in getting into a heated or otherwise debate but I spent 30 years working in labs. You can't legally buy 99.9% alcohol and actually 70% is the standard for disinfection and killing viruses and bacteria Any stronger and it's just not as effective. Also there's no guarantee you haven't degraded the mask fibres even by spraying and you cannot test it. That's why medical sterilising procedures are very very strict and the equipment used has to be regularly verified. I know because I did it. Anything is better than nothing in terms of masks, but putting on or taking off a potentially jnfected mask is worse than nothing. That's my last comment on the subject but I do recommend anyone following advice on YouTube or whatever to be very careful. | |||
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"That should have been 70% IPA" Indian pale ale...ok | |||
" Believe me it's isopropyl not 70-75% ethanol...its 99.9% alcohol and you dont bath them...you spray them and they dry almost instant...been using it for 3 months. You can pick a litre up on ebay for £12. You will get around 10 uses per mask. There's no point in getting into a heated or otherwise debate but I spent 30 years working in labs. You can't legally buy 99.9% alcohol and actually 70% is the standard for disinfection and killing viruses and bacteria Any stronger and it's just not as effective. Also there's no guarantee you haven't degraded the mask fibres even by spraying and you cannot test it. That's why medical sterilising procedures are very very strict and the equipment used has to be regularly verified. I know because I did it. Anything is better than nothing in terms of masks, but putting on or taking off a potentially jnfected mask is worse than nothing. That's my last comment on the subject but I do recommend anyone following advice on YouTube or whatever to be very careful." I find it hard to believe if you had 30 years working in labs and not heard of isopropyl...unless you where a Guinea pig for that time
It's totally legal to buy at 99.9% alcohol and it does work...here's a wikipedia link to it
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isopropyl_alcohol
Now I could go one better as we are just typing on here and say I have a PhD in chemistry...but hey we can say we have this and that to each other here and we dont know what's true.
But a memory of what a poster has previously posted goes a long way | |||
" Believe me it's isopropyl not 70-75% ethanol...its 99.9% alcohol and you dont bath them...you spray them and they dry almost instant...been using it for 3 months. You can pick a litre up on ebay for £12. You will get around 10 uses per mask. There's no point in getting into a heated or otherwise debate but I spent 30 years working in labs. You can't legally buy 99.9% alcohol and actually 70% is the standard for disinfection and killing viruses and bacteria Any stronger and it's just not as effective. Also there's no guarantee you haven't degraded the mask fibres even by spraying and you cannot test it. That's why medical sterilising procedures are very very strict and the equipment used has to be regularly verified. I know because I did it. Anything is better than nothing in terms of masks, but putting on or taking off a potentially jnfected mask is worse than nothing. That's my last comment on the subject but I do recommend anyone following advice on YouTube or whatever to be very careful. I find it hard to believe if you had 30 years working in labs and not heard of isopropyl...unless you where a Guinea pig for that time
It's totally legal to buy at 99.9% alcohol and it does work...here's a wikipedia link to it
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isopropyl_alcohol
Now I could go one better as we are just typing on here and say I have a PhD in chemistry...but hey we can say we have this and that to each other here and we dont know what's true.
But a memory of what a poster has previously posted goes a long way "Apart from pointing out what you would have learned in GCSE never mind degree which is that 70% IPA is actually an abbreviation for 70% Isopropyl Alcohol I'll leave the rest as it doesn't deserve comment other than ...nah .. not worth it..  | |||
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