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"Also it is now test and trace. The track element has been abandoned. " This is suspiciously looking like another fuck up | |||
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"Also it is now test and trace. The track element has been abandoned. " Are you sure they just said on the news the app is to follow early next month | |||
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"Also it is now test and trace. The track element has been abandoned. This is suspiciously looking like another fuck up " Well it's been headed by a dildo....whoops sorry dido....I will go down with fishes | |||
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"Also it is now test and trace. The track element has been abandoned. This is suspiciously looking like another fuck up " Surely not, they've done fabulously so far... | |||
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"Also it is now test and trace. The track element has been abandoned. This is suspiciously looking like another fuck up " It is in everyone's interests for the new system to work and it's not easy to set something like this up. Whatever anyone's reservations think everyone needs to do their bit to make this work. | |||
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"Why would anyone not?" What you trust this bunch of clowns with your data? | |||
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"Why would anyone not?" Because they don't want to quarantine for two weeks and not be able to do their key worker job and then find out they havent got it after all ? | |||
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"Why would anyone not? What you trust this bunch of clowns with your data? " What data? | |||
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"Why would anyone not? Because they don't want to quarantine for two weeks and not be able to do their key worker job and then find out they havent got it after all ? " And what if they have got it? | |||
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"Why would anyone not? Because they don't want to quarantine for two weeks and not be able to do their key worker job and then find out they havent got it after all ? " Can you advise where you seen its been abandoned please so we can keep up to date | |||
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"Isn't Cummings sister part of the company that is meant to be doing this? " The contract wasn't put out to tender | |||
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"no smart phone anyway. I do not understand why we do not use the system and apps the Germans use,why try to do are own,a bit silly" Brexit | |||
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" Can you advise where you seen its been abandoned please so we can keep up to date" I said that the track element of test, trace and track has been abandoned. There is no App to download at present in mainland Britain and no date has been given when one will be available. | |||
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" Can you advise where you seen its been abandoned please so we can keep up to date I said that the track element of test, trace and track has been abandoned. There is no App to download at present in mainland Britain and no date has been given when one will be available. " So not abandoned just not available yet | |||
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"Would of done before the Cummings farce but won’t now. Personally feel government looking at all of us as mugs who will just accept anything they propose. " So you're cutting your nose off to spite your face. Brilliant | |||
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"Would of done before the Cummings farce but won’t now. Personally feel government looking at all of us as mugs who will just accept anything they propose. So you're cutting your nose off to spite your face. Brilliant " Exactly this..... I really don't get this mind set.... People are wanting to go out and get a normal life back, government offer a solution, and they all like, nah I'm not doing that... Well then stay at home.... I'll be downloading the app, if it gives me my social freedom back, they can have my address and know my movements.... I got nothing to hide anyway, if they really that interested in my life, have at it, it's fairly standard and boring other than my kinky meets | |||
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"So who will down load the app when it’s available. " If I tried downloading any app on my little ?10.99 phone it will would explode. Track n trace, wonder how that will go down with the Driscol Brothers. | |||
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"I wouldnt install it. No real interest in installing something on my phone, that allows full access to every tom dick and harry. the software is still on going just connected up with a second nhs software instead that uses google and iphone software. though still bugs me why military is picking up all the info first This work will be carried out by jHub – a Ministry of Defence agency focused on supporting innovation across the armed forces. Once the data is ready for use, jHub will “securely share” it with NHSX. " | |||
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"Test and trace is a dead duck not worked in any country yet. " What an earth are you on about? Do you just come on and say stuff like this for a reaction?? Of course it works. South Korea??.... | |||
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"Hmmm..... Download the App Get texted to say that you walked past someone who says on their App they now have the virus You get ordered to self isolate for 2 weeks Come out of isolation and get text again that you've walked past someone else who now says they have the virus, ordered again to self isolate for 2 weeks Then again and again and maybe again I don't see the majority going for this App to be honest. " You have to have been in close proximity to someone for 15 minutes or more | |||
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"Its different in South Korea, they have full data on your bank Cards, your travel cards,and everyones phone, they can send a hit squad round to your house in a van within ten minutes of you leaving it. BTW, the UK app has basically been kicked into the long grass. " Yeah, but the post said about it has not worked in any country......that is complete and utter nonsense. | |||
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"Question. How are the NHS trackers going to get in touch with you? I keep my personal details to myself. How are they going to get my mobile number or email address? Maybe I'm being a little dense here. Happy to be enlightened. " Because the person who has tested positive will tell them who they have been in contact with. | |||
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"Question. How are the NHS trackers going to get in touch with you? I keep my personal details to myself. How are they going to get my mobile number or email address? Maybe I'm being a little dense here. Happy to be enlightened. Because the person who has tested positive will tell them who they have been in contact with." Why can't they just tell them themselves? Would be a lot quicker! | |||
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"Question. How are the NHS trackers going to get in touch with you? I keep my personal details to myself. How are they going to get my mobile number or email address? Maybe I'm being a little dense here. Happy to be enlightened. Because the person who has tested positive will tell them who they have been in contact with. Why can't they just tell them themselves? Would be a lot quicker! " They are advising to do that as well | |||
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"Question. How are the NHS trackers going to get in touch with you? I keep my personal details to myself. How are they going to get my mobile number or email address? Maybe I'm being a little dense here. Happy to be enlightened. Because the person who has tested positive will tell them who they have been in contact with." Yes, but how will the NHS trackers get my personal details to get in contact with me? | |||
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"If you test positive after standing on a busy tube train for over 15 minutes within two metres of several people you could have infected them. You phone this call centre but without a tracking App how could they trace the people near you on the tube ?" Kind of makes the whole idea a bit of a non starter when you put it like that. This is a more likely scenario of how it is spread as well. | |||
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"Question. How are the NHS trackers going to get in touch with you? I keep my personal details to myself. How are they going to get my mobile number or email address? Maybe I'm being a little dense here. Happy to be enlightened. Because the person who has tested positive will tell them who they have been in contact with. Yes, but how will the NHS trackers get my personal details to get in contact with me? " You'll give them your details. Presumably they have them already anyway | |||
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"Question. How are the NHS trackers going to get in touch with you? I keep my personal details to myself. How are they going to get my mobile number or email address? Maybe I'm being a little dense here. Happy to be enlightened. Because the person who has tested positive will tell them who they have been in contact with. Yes, but how will the NHS trackers get my personal details to get in contact with me? " The person who had close contact with you, ie within 1 metre and for 15 minutes or longer, who develops symptoms and has a positive test, will tell the nhs tracker your details | |||
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"If you test positive after standing on a busy tube train for over 15 minutes within two metres of several people you could have infected them. You phone this call centre but without a tracking App how could they trace the people near you on the tube ? Kind of makes the whole idea a bit of a non starter when you put it like that. This is a more likely scenario of how it is spread as well. " All public transport will be a complete nightmare for it | |||
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"Doesnt it use bluethooth to detect other app users? An hour of bluetooth and my phone wouldnt have any charge left!" The app will use bluetooth but that's not available yet | |||
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"Doesnt it use bluethooth to detect other app users? An hour of bluetooth and my phone wouldnt have any charge left!" Mine's the same. | |||
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"Question. How are the NHS trackers going to get in touch with you? I keep my personal details to myself. How are they going to get my mobile number or email address? Maybe I'm being a little dense here. Happy to be enlightened. Because the person who has tested positive will tell them who they have been in contact with. Yes, but how will the NHS trackers get my personal details to get in contact with me? The person who had close contact with you, ie within 1 metre and for 15 minutes or longer, who develops symptoms and has a positive test, will tell the nhs tracker your details" How does the infected person know the names and numbers of all the people he has has contact with if they have travelled on public transport? | |||
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"Question. How are the NHS trackers going to get in touch with you? I keep my personal details to myself. How are they going to get my mobile number or email address? Maybe I'm being a little dense here. Happy to be enlightened. Because the person who has tested positive will tell them who they have been in contact with. Yes, but how will the NHS trackers get my personal details to get in contact with me? The person who had close contact with you, ie within 1 metre and for 15 minutes or longer, who develops symptoms and has a positive test, will tell the nhs tracker your details How does the infected person know the names and numbers of all the people he has has contact with if they have travelled on public transport?" That's the fail part of the plan as its impossible, to know that. Will people try avoid public transport because of the close contact with lots of other strangers anyway, but that's not helpful for those who have no choice but to use it. | |||
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"Question. How are the NHS trackers going to get in touch with you? I keep my personal details to myself. How are they going to get my mobile number or email address? Maybe I'm being a little dense here. Happy to be enlightened. Because the person who has tested positive will tell them who they have been in contact with. Yes, but how will the NHS trackers get my personal details to get in contact with me? The person who had close contact with you, ie within 1 metre and for 15 minutes or longer, who develops symptoms and has a positive test, will tell the nhs tracker your details" Many will just have my name. I only give my personal details to trusted people. I haven't been to the Doctors for over 20 years and have moved house 3 times in that period. I will take some tracking down! | |||
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"Question. How are the NHS trackers going to get in touch with you? I keep my personal details to myself. How are they going to get my mobile number or email address? Maybe I'm being a little dense here. Happy to be enlightened. Because the person who has tested positive will tell them who they have been in contact with. Yes, but how will the NHS trackers get my personal details to get in contact with me? The person who had close contact with you, ie within 1 metre and for 15 minutes or longer, who develops symptoms and has a positive test, will tell the nhs tracker your details How does the infected person know the names and numbers of all the people he has has contact with if they have travelled on public transport?" Like lockdown, it's about slowing the spread not eliminating the virus Contacting 3 of 20 people you had contact with is better than none. | |||
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"Hmmm..... Download the App Get texted to say that you walked past someone who says on their App they now have the virus You get ordered to self isolate for 2 weeks Come out of isolation and get text again that you've walked past someone else who now says they have the virus, ordered again to self isolate for 2 weeks Then again and again and maybe again I don't see the majority going for this App to be honest. You have to have been in close proximity to someone for 15 minutes or more " Ok so someone gets on the tube to get to work. Journey takes 20 mins. gets into work at the office or where ever they work. Later that day they get notified they was in close proximity to someone with covid go home and isolate for 14 days. Everyone thst person worked with thst day gets told to isolate. 14 days later.... Yay i can go back to work. Gets on train to go to work. Invoming text.... Sorry you been in close proximity to someone that was positive with covid. Go home and isolate. | |||
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"Hmmm..... Download the App Get texted to say that you walked past someone who says on their App they now have the virus You get ordered to self isolate for 2 weeks Come out of isolation and get text again that you've walked past someone else who now says they have the virus, ordered again to self isolate for 2 weeks Then again and again and maybe again I don't see the majority going for this App to be honest. You have to have been in close proximity to someone for 15 minutes or more Ok so someone gets on the tube to get to work. Journey takes 20 mins. gets into work at the office or where ever they work. Later that day they get notified they was in close proximity to someone with covid go home and isolate for 14 days. Everyone thst person worked with thst day gets told to isolate. 14 days later.... Yay i can go back to work. Gets on train to go to work. Invoming text.... Sorry you been in close proximity to someone that was positive with covid. Go home and isolate. " Indeed, that's why I said I can't see the majority going for it, or the majority who use public transport. | |||
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"Question. How are the NHS trackers going to get in touch with you? I keep my personal details to myself. How are they going to get my mobile number or email address? Maybe I'm being a little dense here. Happy to be enlightened. Because the person who has tested positive will tell them who they have been in contact with. Yes, but how will the NHS trackers get my personal details to get in contact with me? The person who had close contact with you, ie within 1 metre and for 15 minutes or longer, who develops symptoms and has a positive test, will tell the nhs tracker your details Many will just have my name. I only give my personal details to trusted people. I haven't been to the Doctors for over 20 years and have moved house 3 times in that period. I will take some tracking down! " It's the trusted people they are expecting you to let get close to you for 15 mins and over, so a close friend that you have a hug and a close walk next to for example, if people keep to the social distancing measures then in theory it won't impact many and hotspots can be controlled easily | |||
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"Hmmm..... Download the App Get texted to say that you walked past someone who says on their App they now have the virus You get ordered to self isolate for 2 weeks Come out of isolation and get text again that you've walked past someone else who now says they have the virus, ordered again to self isolate for 2 weeks Then again and again and maybe again I don't see the majority going for this App to be honest. You have to have been in close proximity to someone for 15 minutes or more Ok so someone gets on the tube to get to work. Journey takes 20 mins. gets into work at the office or where ever they work. Later that day they get notified they was in close proximity to someone with covid go home and isolate for 14 days. Everyone thst person worked with thst day gets told to isolate. 14 days later.... Yay i can go back to work. Gets on train to go to work. Invoming text.... Sorry you been in close proximity to someone that was positive with covid. Go home and isolate. " yep be the same for nhs staff in hospitals surrounded by positive patients... Roll 14 days off woohoo | |||
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"If you got a message saying you must self isolate, I have to say in light of recent issues I would be very hard pressed to comply with them." Just use your own instincts Boris said that’s fine. | |||
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"Also it is now test and trace. The track element has been abandoned. This is suspiciously looking like another fuck up It is in everyone's interests for the new system to work and it's not easy to set something like this up. Whatever anyone's reservations think everyone needs to do their bit to make this work." "We" can't do anything to make an app work. HMG could have used one of the existing apps in development. Instead they prefer to shovel money at Cummings' friends. So long as they're well provided for nothing else matters. This continuous 'it's up to us' is just smokescreen. It was up to HMG to introduce lockdown, to screen at airports, to quarantine, to provide PPE - and they decided to do nothing except tell lies about how fabulously they're doing and have contests for "Most Inane Slogan Of The Week." Be alert/PRotect the NHS - they could have done that by not closing 20 hospitals, by not cutting 12,000 hospital beds since 2010 and by not cutting real terms NHS funding, instead of the childish BS about funding it more than ever when even 3% inflation means you have to do that each year in order to stand still. | |||
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"Very confused, if I am contacted then I need to isolate for 14 days, but the people I live with (and therefore have the most chance of catching anything I may have) do not While in isolation I don't get a test unless I have symptoms, if the test it positive the isolation is 7 days, if it is negative the original 14 days stands. Option 3 is a trip to Barnard Castle " sounds about right from what i saw of the documentation | |||
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"Someone on my Facebook posted this earlier. I'm inclined to agree with them. POLITE NOTICE: If you are someone I see in person and are planning on using this system, please stay well away from me and my family. I would rather we didn’t come into contact so there is no risk of me being contacted by the government to be tested because I have been in contact with you. I respect your wishes to use this service, please respect mine to not need it. Thank you in advance. " I totally agree. I'm going to copy and paste this for my FB. | |||
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"Someone on my Facebook posted this earlier. I'm inclined to agree with them. POLITE NOTICE: If you are someone I see in person and are planning on using this system, please stay well away from me and my family. I would rather we didn’t come into contact so there is no risk of me being contacted by the government to be tested because I have been in contact with you. I respect your wishes to use this service, please respect mine to not need it. Thank you in advance. " I totally agree with this. Will definitely not be using this. | |||
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"Someone on my Facebook posted this earlier. I'm inclined to agree with them. POLITE NOTICE: If you are someone I see in person and are planning on using this system, please stay well away from me and my family. I would rather we didn’t come into contact so there is no risk of me being contacted by the government to be tested because I have been in contact with you. I respect your wishes to use this service, please respect mine to not need it. Thank you in advance. " Are people really gonna be seeing that many people in person that they couldn't send this message by other means rather than facebook? | |||
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"Also it is now test and trace. The track element has been abandoned. This is suspiciously looking like another fuck up It is in everyone's interests for the new system to work and it's not easy to set something like this up. Whatever anyone's reservations think everyone needs to do their bit to make this work. "We" can't do anything to make an app work. HMG could have used one of the existing apps in development. Instead they prefer to shovel money at Cummings' friends. So long as they're well provided for nothing else matters. This continuous 'it's up to us' is just smokescreen. It was up to HMG to introduce lockdown, to screen at airports, to quarantine, to provide PPE - and they decided to do nothing except tell lies about how fabulously they're doing and have contests for "Most Inane Slogan Of The Week." Be alert/PRotect the NHS - they could have done that by not closing 20 hospitals, by not cutting 12,000 hospital beds since 2010 and by not cutting real terms NHS funding, instead of the childish BS about funding it more than ever when even 3% inflation means you have to do that each year in order to stand still. " The system that is due to start today doesn't use the app. Contact tracing has been used for years (including for STIs) operated by people using telephones. Are you saying that the right thing to do is to refuse to have anything to do with contact tracing because you don't agree with the Government's politics? Would you take the same view if you were contacted about a potential STI? International experience suggests that contact tracing will help prevent further spread. | |||
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"Wonder what will be governments response if very few people down load any future app. " We're all going to be chipped like dogs. | |||
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"no smart phone anyway. I do not understand why we do not use the system and apps the Germans use,why try to do are own,a bit silly" Cos we're world leaders | |||
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"Wonder what will be governments response if very few people down load any future app. We're all going to be chipped like dogs." Could be right one that explodes if we get the virus or attempt to visit Barnard Castle or Durham | |||
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"I asked my area manager what would happen re pay if we were contacted to say we'd be in contact someone who had symptoms and had to self isolate. He had no idea " If you work with other people won’t all the staff have to be self isolated as they will have been near you for whole day at work. | |||
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"I asked my area manager what would happen re pay if we were contacted to say we'd be in contact someone who had symptoms and had to self isolate. He had no idea " Gov are sorting out coronavirus ssp payments, they need to sort out a 24hr result test turn around for it, atm its 3/4 days | |||
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"So who will down load the app when it’s available. " I would not trust Johnson to wank himself off successfully | |||
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"If you test positive after standing on a busy tube train for over 15 minutes within two metres of several people you could have infected them. You phone this call centre but without a tracking App how could they trace the people near you on the tube ? Kind of makes the whole idea a bit of a non starter when you put it like that. This is a more likely scenario of how it is spread as well. All public transport will be a complete nightmare for it " If they have an outbreak linked to a public transport journey they can ask those people who were on that particular train or bus to contact the contact tracers. Much like the South Koreans did with the Club outbreak in Seoul a few weeks ago. That was really successful despite the sensitivity of it being in the gay clubs of Seoul. | |||
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"If you test positive after standing on a busy tube train for over 15 minutes within two metres of several people you could have infected them. You phone this call centre but without a tracking App how could they trace the people near you on the tube ? Kind of makes the whole idea a bit of a non starter when you put it like that. This is a more likely scenario of how it is spread as well. All public transport will be a complete nightmare for it If they have an outbreak linked to a public transport journey they can ask those people who were on that particular train or bus to contact the contact tracers. Much like the South Koreans did with the Club outbreak in Seoul a few weeks ago. That was really successful despite the sensitivity of it being in the gay clubs of Seoul." The symptoms take days to show if you travel everyday on bus or train or underground it won’t be one journey it would be loads. How can you possibly contact everyone who may of sat beat in on your journeys for the last few days???? | |||
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"I asked my area manager what would happen re pay if we were contacted to say we'd be in contact someone who had symptoms and had to self isolate. He had no idea If you work with other people won’t all the staff have to be self isolated as they will have been near you for whole day at work. " I suppose so, if I developed symptoms. | |||
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"This isnt about the app. The tedt and trace is very simply you tell them who The app however works on bluetooth x " Lived in London until I was thirty used the underground lots none of my mobiles every worked on the underground so what good will an app be there. And the underground is probably going to be one of the most likely places where the virus could spread. | |||
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"This isnt about the app. The tedt and trace is very simply you tell them who The app however works on bluetooth x " Ah yes, bluetooth. That signal that sends music to my headphones. Unless I put my phone in the other pocket. | |||
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"This isnt about the app. The tedt and trace is very simply you tell them who The app however works on bluetooth x " But I don't use Bluetooth. My phone stays off for most of the day, as signals for everything else don't exist in this area. When my phone DOES work fully, it's in the evenings, when I'm always indoors, know my own! So much for Govt usefulness! | |||
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"Wonder what will be governments response if very few people down load any future app. We're all going to be chipped like dogs." Nothing would surprise me... | |||
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" If you work with other people won’t all the staff have to be self isolated as they will have been near you for whole day at work. I suppose so, if I developed symptoms. " No guidance has been given to medical professionals if they need to isolate every time a patient tests positive. | |||
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"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health " You are right!! Looks like they sneaked that one in! | |||
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"Why would anyone not? Because they don't want to quarantine for two weeks and not be able to do their key worker job and then find out they havent got it after all ? And what if they have got it?" They'd know sooner if tested | |||
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"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health You are right!! Looks like they sneaked that one in!" Well ... according to the kings of the phone business tracking & tracing related to covid will be possible without installing an app so it raises my brows ... the system uses Bluetooth technology - it seems to be more important than location services which makes it even more interesting... | |||
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"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health You are right!! Looks like they sneaked that one in! Well ... according to the kings of the phone business tracking & tracing related to covid will be possible without installing an app so it raises my brows ... the system uses Bluetooth technology - it seems to be more important than location services which makes it even more interesting..." Mmmmm can't even say I had noticed until you put your post up. Not heard anything about it on the news. | |||
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"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health You are right!! Looks like they sneaked that one in! Well ... according to the kings of the phone business tracking & tracing related to covid will be possible without installing an app so it raises my brows ... the system uses Bluetooth technology - it seems to be more important than location services which makes it even more interesting..." You can turn your Bluetooth off easily enough. | |||
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"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health You are right!! Looks like they sneaked that one in! Well ... according to the kings of the phone business tracking & tracing related to covid will be possible without installing an app so it raises my brows ... the system uses Bluetooth technology - it seems to be more important than location services which makes it even more interesting... You can turn your Bluetooth off easily enough. " It says you need to download the app to be able to turn it on. | |||
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"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health You are right!! Looks like they sneaked that one in! Well ... according to the kings of the phone business tracking & tracing related to covid will be possible without installing an app so it raises my brows ... the system uses Bluetooth technology - it seems to be more important than location services which makes it even more interesting... You can turn your Bluetooth off easily enough. " yes that’s true ... there is always way around things, you can actually turn this ‘feature’ off - the point is - we have something in our phones that we didn’t know about and last time I woke up in my bed I thought I was living in a democratic country : ) | |||
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"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health " It's not on mine, just checked. | |||
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"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health It's not on mine, just checked." Just found Health app on my iPhone turned it off | |||
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"If you got a message saying you must self isolate, I have to say in light of recent issues I would be very hard pressed to comply with them. Just use your own instincts Boris said that’s fine." Just quote the excuse cummings used, he has set a precedent now. | |||
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"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health You are right!! Looks like they sneaked that one in! Well ... according to the kings of the phone business tracking & tracing related to covid will be possible without installing an app so it raises my brows ... the system uses Bluetooth technology - it seems to be more important than location services which makes it even more interesting... You can turn your Bluetooth off easily enough. It says you need to download the app to be able to turn it on. " Yes it does say that - do you believe it? Just a question : ) I quote from a very good source: Apple and Google have partnered on offering a secure and private coronavirus contact tracing implementation on iOS and Android .... Anonymous COVID-19 contact tracing via Bluetooth (not GPS location) is available with iOS 13.5. Contact tracing is called “Exposure Notifications” on iPhone and is turned off at the system level by default. You’ll have to download an app from your local health authority that will require your explicit permission to use anonymous Bluetooth data for it to work when phase one of the rollout starts in May. Apple and Google have said that phase two of the contact tracing software will allow it to work without a third-party health authority app.... Now to update your phone you either give it a permission to or you have automatic updates on ... my point is and more of a question - from covid to anything else - is this a way in to tracking & tracing people even easier than it is already? | |||
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"So who will down load the app when it’s available. " Not me | |||
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"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health You are right!! Looks like they sneaked that one in!" google "Google Exposure Notification API". You will find some explanations about what this does. It's not an app but in interface for apps to provide notifications to health agencies. Basically, from what I understand, we could both develop separate apps but they'd use the same API to provide health agencies with notifications. | |||
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"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health You are right!! Looks like they sneaked that one in! Well ... according to the kings of the phone business tracking & tracing related to covid will be possible without installing an app so it raises my brows ... the system uses Bluetooth technology - it seems to be more important than location services which makes it even more interesting... You can turn your Bluetooth off easily enough. It says you need to download the app to be able to turn it on. Yes it does say that - do you believe it? Just a question : ) I quote from a very good source: Apple and Google have partnered on offering a secure and private coronavirus contact tracing implementation on iOS and Android .... Anonymous COVID-19 contact tracing via Bluetooth (not GPS location) is available with iOS 13.5. Contact tracing is called “Exposure Notifications” on iPhone and is turned off at the system level by default. You’ll have to download an app from your local health authority that will require your explicit permission to use anonymous Bluetooth data for it to work when phase one of the rollout starts in May. Apple and Google have said that phase two of the contact tracing software will allow it to work without a third-party health authority app.... Now to update your phone you either give it a permission to or you have automatic updates on ... my point is and more of a question - from covid to anything else - is this a way in to tracking & tracing people even easier than it is already? " May be time to get a pay as you go mobile second hand then it’s not traceable to your address | |||
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"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health It's not on mine, just checked. Just found Health app on my iPhone turned it off " The government have been using iPhone data for there stats on people's movement, that's why I won't buy an iPhone. Android don't log your movements because it's made up by different companies. | |||
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"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health It's not on mine, just checked. Just found Health app on my iPhone turned it off " its not on my phone though i dont update it either though if i did id delete it off the phone as goes for installed on the latest ios update what consent has anyone agreed to in the first place to have it installed in there. from what im aware of your lot was only updating your operating system not consent to install a covid app onto your phone. oh and if forced install on phone id rather do without one so it gets droped down toilet if I cant remove it. | |||
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"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health It's not on mine, just checked. Just found Health app on my iPhone turned it off its not on my phone though i dont update it either though if i did id delete it off the phone as goes for installed on the latest ios update what consent has anyone agreed to in the first place to have it installed in there. from what im aware of your lot was only updating your operating system not consent to install a covid app onto your phone. oh and if forced install on phone id rather do without one so it gets droped down toilet if I cant remove it. " Read my previous posts : ) ... consent - my point exactly - a way around things for the government -perhaps if you consent to go through the update you then consent to things being installed - I called it an app in my first post, it’s not an app just yet but then again we won’t need one to be tracked. | |||
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"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health It's not on mine, just checked. Just found Health app on my iPhone turned it off its not on my phone though i dont update it either though if i did id delete it off the phone as goes for installed on the latest ios update what consent has anyone agreed to in the first place to have it installed in there. from what im aware of your lot was only updating your operating system not consent to install a covid app onto your phone. oh and if forced install on phone id rather do without one so it gets droped down toilet if I cant remove it. Read my previous posts : ) ... consent - my point exactly - a way around things for the government -perhaps if you consent to go through the update you then consent to things being installed - I called it an app in my first post, it’s not an app just yet but then again we won’t need one to be tracked." Since virus not been anywhere away from home really so generally leave my mobile at home while I’m walking the dog or going shopping | |||
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"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health It's not on mine, just checked. Just found Health app on my iPhone turned it off The government have been using iPhone data for there stats on people's movement, that's why I won't buy an iPhone. Android don't log your movements because it's made up by different companies. " Very true but not anymore - they have partnered now and android is just as exposed ... sadly | |||
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"for what ive been reading you cannot remove health from your phone. on either android or iphone as its built into the operating system of the phone. you can remove the data on both theres no reference on how to remove covid off your phone other than both systems removing it on next update " You can. It’s very east. You just delete app | |||
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"for what ive been reading you cannot remove health from your phone. on either android or iphone as its built into the operating system of the phone. you can remove the data on both theres no reference on how to remove covid off your phone other than both systems removing it on next update You can. It’s very east. You just delete app" #easy | |||
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"It’s not an app though, it’s part of your operating system ... I think I’ve managed to switch it off on android, I don’t think it will be possible on iPhone though ... best thing is not to have your phone installing automatic updates because the second one will come probably in a month or so and that one will be more important .... I also think restoring phone to previous setting helps as well ... but honestly ... I don’t think we will escape from this ... what is highly questionable for me is why has nothing been mentioned about the updates and the fact that two major giants have come together to develop this - if I was a BBC presenter I would be all over a story like that ... but it’s all kept quiet " The tracking elements being integrated within the operating systems are independent of the UK government app that's in trial. They were offered the feature access but went instead for a centralised data collection with tracking and tracing. It doesn't mean that the government won't switch to that instead, especially if they continue to have problems. | |||
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"no smart phone anyway. I do not understand why we do not use the system and apps the Germans use,why try to do are own,a bit silly" 1. It will cost a fortune to licence 2. Data security 3. Who will own all the user PII data 4. Most people don't know they have covid 5. Most people may not use an app especially when it requires personal info like IP address, location data etc stored on a server. Also do people always walk around with all these features switched on? 6. What if people start to prank the system? | |||
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"Yes I will download and use the app. Yes the government will more than likely keep my data. No I'm not worried about either point above. Can anyone give me a concrete example of harm resulting from doing either of the above? Or is it all just mad conspiracy theories? " so your fine for your insurance to go up? car insurance and house insurance I mean medical info can soon be attached to those above. your fine to be pestered by scam phonecalls. your fine to recieve cold calls to sell you something. are you fine for the info to be held out of uk jurastiction where you cannot control the data. covid19 app is as close to the old care data system sold to american companies that isnt conpiracy theories | |||
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"Yes I will download and use the app. Yes the government will more than likely keep my data. No I'm not worried about either point above. Can anyone give me a concrete example of harm resulting from doing either of the above? Or is it all just mad conspiracy theories? so your fine for your insurance to go up? car insurance and house insurance I mean medical info can soon be attached to those above. your fine to be pestered by scam phonecalls. your fine to recieve cold calls to sell you something. are you fine for the info to be held out of uk jurastiction where you cannot control the data. covid19 app is as close to the old care data system sold to american companies that isnt conpiracy theories" I want to use the app because I want to help. However I keep seeing things like said above and its putting me off. What I don't know is how or why it will put my house and car insurance up. | |||
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"no smart phone anyway. I do not understand why we do not use the system and apps the Germans use,why try to do are own,a bit silly 1. It will cost a fortune to licence 2. Data security 3. Who will own all the user PII data 4. Most people don't know they have covid 5. Most people may not use an app especially when it requires personal info like IP address, location data etc stored on a server. Also do people always walk around with all these features switched on? 6. What if people start to prank the system? " 6. | |||
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"Just don't answer your phone to numbers you don't recognise, job done. " yep i never answer if its a number i dont know.i used to answer but git fed up of being asked about an accident i never been in or about ppi ive never had | |||
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"Yes I will download and use the app. Yes the government will more than likely keep my data. No I'm not worried about either point above. Can anyone give me a concrete example of harm resulting from doing either of the above? Or is it all just mad conspiracy theories? so your fine for your insurance to go up? car insurance and house insurance I mean medical info can soon be attached to those above. your fine to be pestered by scam phonecalls. your fine to recieve cold calls to sell you something. are you fine for the info to be held out of uk jurastiction where you cannot control the data. covid19 app is as close to the old care data system sold to american companies that isnt conpiracy theories" My insurance goes up anyway due to the young lads round here thinking golf GTIs belong on their roof not wheels. So because I have an app which records only 1 bit of my medical information??? Scam phone calls, calls trying to sell me something? Like it is now you mean? Cant control the data when its held in the uk anyway. Pretty sure they are conspiracy theories or at least nothing to stop me downloading and using the app. | |||
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"I want to use the app because I want to help. However I keep seeing things like said above and its putting me off. What I don't know is how or why it will put my house and car insurance up. " insurance is a bank system they can access this info for peanuts any medical info they have they can state your a low medium or high risk due to your medical info ask yourself this and think have you ever provided your medical info to your car insurance or house insurance. if its all on one system they can gain access to this and adjust any premium to suit from the driving info as it stands now Driving With a Medical Condition : Licences & Insurance If the DVLA has issued you a licence, with knowledge of your medical conditions, car insurers cannot refuse your coverage, raise your premiums, or increase your excess because of your health without evidence that you're an increased risk. but a new premium they can increase the price | |||
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"I want to use the app because I want to help. However I keep seeing things like said above and its putting me off. What I don't know is how or why it will put my house and car insurance up. insurance is a bank system they can access this info for peanuts any medical info they have they can state your a low medium or high risk due to your medical info ask yourself this and think have you ever provided your medical info to your car insurance or house insurance. if its all on one system they can gain access to this and adjust any premium to suit from the driving info as it stands now Driving With a Medical Condition : Licences & Insurance If the DVLA has issued you a licence, with knowledge of your medical conditions, car insurers cannot refuse your coverage, raise your premiums, or increase your excess because of your health without evidence that you're an increased risk. but a new premium they can increase the price " Everyday is school day as they say. I thought the info from the app would only reveal if requested if I have had covid or not. Not sure why that would make a difference. Medical info if needed can be asked for now and before the crisis. Insurance companies can do the same just by adding a couple of medical questions to your application now if they think it can make more money. If you falsify the answer and they find out insurance will be void | |||
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"I want to use the app because I want to help. However I keep seeing things like said above and its putting me off. What I don't know is how or why it will put my house and car insurance up. insurance is a bank system they can access this info for peanuts any medical info they have they can state your a low medium or high risk due to your medical info ask yourself this and think have you ever provided your medical info to your car insurance or house insurance. if its all on one system they can gain access to this and adjust any premium to suit from the driving info as it stands now Driving With a Medical Condition : Licences & Insurance If the DVLA has issued you a licence, with knowledge of your medical conditions, car insurers cannot refuse your coverage, raise your premiums, or increase your excess because of your health without evidence that you're an increased risk. but a new premium they can increase the price Everyday is school day as they say. I thought the info from the app would only reveal if requested if I have had covid or not. Not sure why that would make a difference. Medical info if needed can be asked for now and before the crisis. Insurance companies can do the same just by adding a couple of medical questions to your application now if they think it can make more money. If you falsify the answer and they find out insurance will be void" I think people are just being paranoid, having said that I won't be putting the ap on my phone. I haven't got enough storage for a start! | |||
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"Isn't Cummings sister part of the company that is meant to be doing this? The contract wasn't put out to tender" Contact Tracing is being run by Tory MP John Penrose's wife Dido Harding. Dido Harding may not be a name familiar to everyone but she has left a trail of destruction that everyone will know. She was CEO of TalkTalk at a time they were hacked in 2015. It cost the company £77 million as customers fled. They only got fined £400,000 at the time and with GDPR it would have been considerably more. About 18 months later she resigned saying she wanted to focus on “more activities in public service”. The information commissioner, Elizabeth Denham, said: “TalkTalk’s failure to implement the most basic cyber security measures allowed hackers to penetrate TalkTalk’s systems with ease. “Yes, hacking is wrong, but that is not an excuse for companies to abdicate their security obligations. TalkTalk should and could have done more to safeguard its customer information. It did not and we have taken action.” Doesn't exactly fill you with confidence when someone with a record like this is running the contact tracing, and security of private data. | |||
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"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health You are right!! Looks like they sneaked that one in! Well ... according to the kings of the phone business tracking & tracing related to covid will be possible without installing an app so it raises my brows ... the system uses Bluetooth technology - it seems to be more important than location services which makes it even more interesting... You can turn your Bluetooth off easily enough. It says you need to download the app to be able to turn it on. Yes it does say that - do you believe it? Just a question : ) I quote from a very good source: Apple and Google have partnered on offering a secure and private coronavirus contact tracing implementation on iOS and Android .... Anonymous COVID-19 contact tracing via Bluetooth (not GPS location) is available with iOS 13.5. Contact tracing is called “Exposure Notifications” on iPhone and is turned off at the system level by default. You’ll have to download an app from your local health authority that will require your explicit permission to use anonymous Bluetooth data for it to work when phase one of the rollout starts in May. Apple and Google have said that phase two of the contact tracing software will allow it to work without a third-party health authority app.... Now to update your phone you either give it a permission to or you have automatic updates on ... my point is and more of a question - from covid to anything else - is this a way in to tracking & tracing people even easier than it is already? " So am I correct in thinking that we have no choice in this? | |||
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"Also it is now test and trace. The track element has been abandoned. " is trace not the same as track then? | |||
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"Also it is now test and trace. The track element has been abandoned. is trace not the same as track then? " I'm getting even more confused now lol. | |||
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"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health You are right!! Looks like they sneaked that one in! Well ... according to the kings of the phone business tracking & tracing related to covid will be possible without installing an app so it raises my brows ... the system uses Bluetooth technology - it seems to be more important than location services which makes it even more interesting... You can turn your Bluetooth off easily enough. It says you need to download the app to be able to turn it on. Yes it does say that - do you believe it? Just a question : ) I quote from a very good source: Apple and Google have partnered on offering a secure and private coronavirus contact tracing implementation on iOS and Android .... Anonymous COVID-19 contact tracing via Bluetooth (not GPS location) is available with iOS 13.5. Contact tracing is called “Exposure Notifications” on iPhone and is turned off at the system level by default. You’ll have to download an app from your local health authority that will require your explicit permission to use anonymous Bluetooth data for it to work when phase one of the rollout starts in May. Apple and Google have said that phase two of the contact tracing software will allow it to work without a third-party health authority app.... Now to update your phone you either give it a permission to or you have automatic updates on ... my point is and more of a question - from covid to anything else - is this a way in to tracking & tracing people even easier than it is already? So am I correct in thinking that we have no choice in this? " No, you do have a choice What he is talking about needs an app to make it work, it's off by default, and there is also an option to manually turn it off. More scaremongering probably | |||
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"I reckon we all have the app installed on our phone system already?! - for Android users - go into settings - google and then you will see covid19 exposure notifications - installed will latest update... for iOS users - settings - privacy - health You are right!! Looks like they sneaked that one in! Well ... according to the kings of the phone business tracking & tracing related to covid will be possible without installing an app so it raises my brows ... the system uses Bluetooth technology - it seems to be more important than location services which makes it even more interesting... You can turn your Bluetooth off easily enough. It says you need to download the app to be able to turn it on. Yes it does say that - do you believe it? Just a question : ) I quote from a very good source: Apple and Google have partnered on offering a secure and private coronavirus contact tracing implementation on iOS and Android .... Anonymous COVID-19 contact tracing via Bluetooth (not GPS location) is available with iOS 13.5. Contact tracing is called “Exposure Notifications” on iPhone and is turned off at the system level by default. You’ll have to download an app from your local health authority that will require your explicit permission to use anonymous Bluetooth data for it to work when phase one of the rollout starts in May. Apple and Google have said that phase two of the contact tracing software will allow it to work without a third-party health authority app.... Now to update your phone you either give it a permission to or you have automatic updates on ... my point is and more of a question - from covid to anything else - is this a way in to tracking & tracing people even easier than it is already? So am I correct in thinking that we have no choice in this? No, you do have a choice What he is talking about needs an app to make it work, it's off by default, and there is also an option to manually turn it off. More scaremongering probably" Thankyou. X | |||
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""Confuse people. Confused people are easier to control" Not sure where this quote originated but rings true now more than ever...." So true | |||
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"Perhaps the government should involve Sydney University to take advantage of their expertise in analysing data about people "meeting"..." Do the Sydney uni really get fascinated with watching us kinkster peeps? | |||
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"So who will down load the app when it’s available. " In a heartbeat. Yes. | |||
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