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By *etsome OP Man
over a year ago
birmingham |
"after nine weeks of lockdown we are level with Sweden (deaths per million)That can't be right they didn’t lockdown? "
They are refusing to die in the numbers professor lockdown's model predicted. It's not like any of his earlier predictions were any better though |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"after nine weeks of lockdown we are level with Sweden (deaths per million)That can't be right they didn’t lockdown? "
Sweden population density 24 per 1 km2, UK 259, I hope this helps  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"after nine weeks of lockdown we are level with Sweden (deaths per million)That can't be right they didn’t lockdown?
Sweden population density 24 per 1 km2, UK 259, I hope this helps "
Lol... Waiting for the comeback  *got my popcorn ready* |
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By *adetMan
over a year ago
South of Ipswich |
"after nine weeks of lockdown we are level with Sweden (deaths per million)That can't be right they didn’t lockdown?
Sweden population density 24 per 1 km2, UK 259, I hope this helps "
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"after nine weeks of lockdown we are level with Sweden (deaths per million)That can't be right they didn’t lockdown?
Sweden population density 24 per 1 km2, UK 259, I hope this helps "
This..
Op the difference between the UK and Sweden have been pointed out several times..
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Too many factors have to be used to do a full comparison. The UK is firstly as one said more densely populated, secondly the UK is a major transit hub same as Belgium and new York, so more chances of infection being introduced into the population. These are just two of the main factors for a virus to spread among the population without looking at lifestyle etc.. |
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Sweden stands by its choice and is still seeing a decline .. it freely admits its failings were with care homes. Something it feels it's now rectified.. I think I remember reading that 90% of Swedens deaths were in the over 70s |
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None of these comparisons are relevant.
The real issue is the number of Covid 19 deaths in your own country - and whether or not your government, whose primary function is the security of its citizens, could have done anything to prevent any of them.
Our government - by no means alone in this respect - has a case to answer. |
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
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"Germany has roughly the same population per square mile as UK
Compare those figures
UK 650/sq mile
Germany 236/sq mile "
You are getting your miles and kilometres mixed up,you quote miles for one and I'm for other
REAL numbers are
UK pop per sq km 259
Germany pop per sq km 240
Now compare these countries |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
London |
"Sweden stands by its choice and is still seeing a decline .. it freely admits its failings were with care homes. Something it feels it's now rectified.. I think I remember reading that 90% of Swedens deaths were in the over 70s "
The same way the UK stands by its choice (which it deems appropriate) and is seeing a decline.
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
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"Sweden stands by its choice and is still seeing a decline .. it freely admits its failings were with care homes. Something it feels it's now rectified.. I think I remember reading that 90% of Swedens deaths were in the over 70s
The same way the UK stands by its choice (which it deems appropriate) and is seeing a decline.
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What planet are you on?
Boris fucked up his handling of covid from the start and brought UK to almost top of the highest covid deaths list |
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By *ax777Man
over a year ago
Not here |
"after nine weeks of lockdown we are level with Sweden (deaths per million)That can't be right they didn’t lockdown?
They are refusing to die in the numbers professor lockdown's model predicted. It's not like any of his earlier predictions were any better though"
Try comparing Sweden with its neighbours Norway and a Denmark who did lockdown
Sweden 399 deaths per million Population
Norway. 43 per million
Denmark 97 per million
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"None of these comparisons are relevant.
The real issue is the number of Covid 19 deaths in your own country - and whether or not your government, whose primary function is the security of its citizens, could have done anything to prevent any of them.
Our government - by no means alone in this respect - has a case to answer."
Every country and respective government will have a full inquiry into what happened in their coronavirus journey
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
London |
"Sweden stands by its choice and is still seeing a decline .. it freely admits its failings were with care homes. Something it feels it's now rectified.. I think I remember reading that 90% of Swedens deaths were in the over 70s
The same way the UK stands by its choice (which it deems appropriate) and is seeing a decline.
What planet are you on?
Boris fucked up his handling of covid from the start and brought UK to almost top of the highest covid deaths list"
I didn’t say it was handled perfectly nor did I say there were no failings.
Though we were slow to lock down, we eventually did, and the deaths are declining - if you are following the news. |
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By *etsome OP Man
over a year ago
birmingham |
People who are talking about Sweden's population density being lower than ours fail to grasp that professor lockdown's model was able to take that difference into account. After taking that difference into account they have a 17 times lower death rate than his model predicted
I repeat - the Swedes are simply refusing to die in the numbers his model predicted -awkward buggers
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By *etsome OP Man
over a year ago
birmingham |
"Sweden population density 24 per 1 km2, UK 259, I hope this helps
This..
Op the difference between the UK and Sweden have been pointed out several times..
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their major cities are comparable. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"People who are talking about Sweden's population density being lower than ours fail to grasp that professor lockdown's model was able to take that difference into account. After taking that difference into account they have a 17 times lower death rate than his model predicted
I repeat - the Swedes are simply refusing to die in the numbers his model predicted -awkward buggers
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What is your point? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"90% of Sweden's deaths have been in the over 70s.. and they admit that they sidnt get it right in the start with the risk to care homes"
I think most care homes are run by the state and not left to the money making private sector like ours.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"90% of Sweden's deaths have been in the over 70s.. and they admit that they sidnt get it right in the start with the risk to care homesI think most care homes are run by the state and not left to the money making private sector like ours. "
That's socialist talk! I approve. |
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By *ax777Man
over a year ago
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"Sweden population density 24 per 1 km2, UK 259, I hope this helps
This..
Op the difference between the UK and Sweden have been pointed out several
their major cities are comparable."
No they’re not, metropolitan Stockholm has a population of approx 1.5 million compared to London’s 10 million. The next largest city is about half a million, which is about the size of Newcastle/Gateshead. The overall population is roughly the size of London’s |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"after nine weeks of lockdown we are level with Sweden (deaths per million)"
Are you trying to make the point that we should not have locked-down?
If we had not do you think our death rate would be the same as we have now with lockdown?
Is it actually more likely that it would be substantially higher?
When you add this to the other information here about how fundamentally different the two countries are and how much worse their outcomes are than neighbouring countries what conclusion do you draw? |
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"People who are talking about Sweden's population density being lower than ours fail to grasp that professor lockdown's model was able to take that difference into account. After taking that difference into account they have a 17 times lower death rate than his model predicted
I repeat - the Swedes are simply refusing to die in the numbers his model predicted -awkward buggers
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The initial report from Imperial College does not state it was modelled for Sweden at all. It states UK and US. The highest death figure was also based on an high R value. This R value would be lower for Sweden as its not densely populated. Additionally this model was based on what they knew then, ie data from China and Italy. I'm sure it must have been updated based on all the data to hand. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"People who are talking about Sweden's population density being lower than ours fail to grasp that professor lockdown's model was able to take that difference into account. After taking that difference into account they have a 17 times lower death rate than his model predicted
I repeat - the Swedes are simply refusing to die in the numbers his model predicted -awkward buggers
The initial report from Imperial College does not state it was modelled for Sweden at all. It states UK and US. The highest death figure was also based on an high R value. This R value would be lower for Sweden as its not densely populated. Additionally this model was based on what they knew then, ie data from China and Italy. I'm sure it must have been updated based on all the data to hand. "
Why bother to take the time to understand how a complex infection model is created or what data is used to populate it?
If all you want to do is sent that the virus is that much of a problem and imply that science is pointless?  |
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"People who are talking about Sweden's population density being lower than ours fail to grasp that professor lockdown's model was able to take that difference into account. After taking that difference into account they have a 17 times lower death rate than his model predicted
I repeat - the Swedes are simply refusing to die in the numbers his model predicted -awkward buggers
The initial report from Imperial College does not state it was modelled for Sweden at all. It states UK and US. The highest death figure was also based on an high R value. This R value would be lower for Sweden as its not densely populated. Additionally this model was based on what they knew then, ie data from China and Italy. I'm sure it must have been updated based on all the data to hand.
Why bother to take the time to understand how a complex infection model is created or what data is used to populate it?
If all you want to do is sent that the virus is that much of a problem and imply that science is pointless? "
Can you turn the last sentence into English so that we can understand it |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"People who are talking about Sweden's population density being lower than ours fail to grasp that professor lockdown's model was able to take that difference into account. After taking that difference into account they have a 17 times lower death rate than his model predicted
I repeat - the Swedes are simply refusing to die in the numbers his model predicted -awkward buggers
The initial report from Imperial College does not state it was modelled for Sweden at all. It states UK and US. The highest death figure was also based on an high R value. This R value would be lower for Sweden as its not densely populated. Additionally this model was based on what they knew then, ie data from China and Italy. I'm sure it must have been updated based on all the data to hand.
Why bother to take the time to understand how a complex infection model is created or what data is used to populate it?
If all you want to do is sent that the virus is that much of a problem and imply that science is pointless?
Can you turn the last sentence into English so that we can understand it "
"If all you want to do is say that the virus isn't that much of a problem and imply that science is pointless?"
I am not criticising you. It's the OP I am taking exception to. |
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By *etsome OP Man
over a year ago
birmingham |
"after nine weeks of lockdown we are level with Sweden (deaths per million)
Are you trying to make the point that we should not have locked-down?
If we had not do you think our death rate would be the same as we have now with lockdown?
Is it actually more likely that it would be substantially higher?
When you add this to the other information here about how fundamentally different the two countries are and how much worse their outcomes are than neighbouring countries what conclusion do you draw?"
I draw the conclusion that the biggest recession for 300 years will kill more people than covid-19 |
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"after nine weeks of lockdown we are level with Sweden (deaths per million)
Are you trying to make the point that we should not have locked-down?
If we had not do you think our death rate would be the same as we have now with lockdown?
Is it actually more likely that it would be substantially higher?
When you add this to the other information here about how fundamentally different the two countries are and how much worse their outcomes are than neighbouring countries what conclusion do you draw?
I draw the conclusion that the biggest recession for 300 years will kill more people than covid-19"
Omg so you are having a go at ‘Professor Lockdown’ and then you ‘predict’ the biggest recession for 300 years and that it will kill more than the virus. And this is based on gut feeling? Biggest recession for 300 years - so you are saying the UK recession before 1720 was awful? Hhmmmm the Great Frost recession of 1709 which was over a very bad winter. Or were you just plucking a number of years out of the air? |
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"Yesterdays Figures of Deaths Per Million
Belgium 812.46
Spain 615.36
UK 553.37
Italy 542.52
France 422.93
Sweden 392.61"
It's important to note that all these figures, and all other countries of the world, are 'reported' figures. It will be some time before the 'actual' like for like figures are available for comparison. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"after nine weeks of lockdown we are level with Sweden (deaths per million)
Are you trying to make the point that we should not have locked-down?
If we had not do you think our death rate would be the same as we have now with lockdown?
Is it actually more likely that it would be substantially higher?
When you add this to the other information here about how fundamentally different the two countries are and how much worse their outcomes are than neighbouring countries what conclusion do you draw?
I draw the conclusion that the biggest recession for 300 years will kill more people than covid-19"
Based on? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"after nine weeks of lockdown we are level with Sweden (deaths per million)"
Sweden itself is a much bigger country than the UK in terms of area. In population, you could tot up the populations of Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland and Iceland (ie Scandinavia) and the total would be just under half the population of England alone.
Therefore as it is much less densely populated, people are further apart on average and the virus won't be spread anywhere near as easily.
Which makes any comparison to the UK inpossible and ridiculous even.
You can compare our death totals with similarly dense populations per area of course to see how effective our efforts have been in relation to those nations; I believe Italy, Vietnam and Switzerland are the closest countries of any size comparable with us in this way.
But for Sweden's strategy and how effective it has been, you'd have to compare their own death totals with countries with a similar population density, such as Norway and Finland. Doing so should make it all too obvious of the effects that their decision NOT to go into lockdown had on the nation. 
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"after nine weeks of lockdown we are level with Sweden (deaths per million)That can't be right they didn’t lockdown?
Sweden population density 24 per 1 km2, UK 259, I hope this helps "
Beat me to it! That'll teach me to read the whole thread first...
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"after nine weeks of lockdown we are level with Sweden (deaths per million)That can't be right they didn’t lockdown?
They are refusing to die in the numbers professor lockdown's model predicted. It's not like any of his earlier predictions were any better though"
He didn't predict the numbers in Sweden. |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
London |
"after nine weeks of lockdown we are level with Sweden (deaths per million)
Sweden itself is a much bigger country than the UK in terms of area. In population, you could tot up the populations of Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland and Iceland (ie Scandinavia) and the total would be just under half the population of England alone.
Therefore as it is much less densely populated, people are further apart on average and the virus won't be spread anywhere near as easily.
Which makes any comparison to the UK inpossible and ridiculous even.
You can compare our death totals with similarly dense populations per area of course to see how effective our efforts have been in relation to those nations; I believe Italy, Vietnam and Switzerland are the closest countries of any size comparable with us in this way.
But for Sweden's strategy and how effective it has been, you'd have to compare their own death totals with countries with a similar population density, such as Norway and Finland. Doing so should make it all too obvious of the effects that their decision NOT to go into lockdown had on the nation.
B"
This has been explained to the OP on other threads, but he is determined to turn a blind eye to the explanations. |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
London |
"after nine weeks of lockdown we are level with Sweden (deaths per million)
Are you trying to make the point that we should not have locked-down?
If we had not do you think our death rate would be the same as we have now with lockdown?
Is it actually more likely that it would be substantially higher?
When you add this to the other information here about how fundamentally different the two countries are and how much worse their outcomes are than neighbouring countries what conclusion do you draw?
I draw the conclusion that the biggest recession for 300 years will kill more people than covid-19"
So you have become ‘Professor Recession’ now ?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yesterdays Figures of Deaths Per Million
Belgium 812.46
Spain 615.36
UK 553.37
Italy 542.52
France 422.93
Sweden 392.61"
Correct, I was going to write the same!
So Italy, UK, France, Belgium and Spain are worse than Sweden (not locked down!)
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yesterdays Figures of Deaths Per Million
Belgium 812.46
Spain 615.36
UK 553.37
Italy 542.52
France 422.93
Sweden 392.61
Correct, I was going to write the same!
So Italy, UK, France, Belgium and Spain are worse than Sweden (not locked down!)
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The Moon hasn't locked down either and there's not been a single case, never mind death there.
Let's follow the strategy of the Moon.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yesterdays Figures of Deaths Per Million
Belgium 812.46
Spain 615.36
UK 553.37
Italy 542.52
France 422.93
Sweden 392.61
Correct, I was going to write the same!
So Italy, UK, France, Belgium and Spain are worse than Sweden (not locked down!)
The Moon hasn't locked down either and there's not been a single case, never mind death there.
Let's follow the strategy of the Moon.
B"
Said the member with a hidden profile |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Yesterdays Figures of Deaths Per Million
Belgium 812.46
Spain 615.36
UK 553.37
Italy 542.52
France 422.93
Sweden 392.61
Correct, I was going to write the same!
So Italy, UK, France, Belgium and Spain are worse than Sweden (not locked down!)
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Did you read any of the responses to that post?
Have a look at the surrounding Scandinavian countries with similar population densities and care systems then come back  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yesterdays Figures of Deaths Per Million
Belgium 812.46
Spain 615.36
UK 553.37
Italy 542.52
France 422.93
Sweden 392.61
Correct, I was going to write the same!
So Italy, UK, France, Belgium and Spain are worse than Sweden (not locked down!)
Did you read any of the responses to that post?
Have a look at the surrounding Scandinavian countries with similar population densities and care systems then come back "
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
I did, Enjoy.
UK is the worse country in the world after Spain (for now). |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
West London |
"Yesterdays Figures of Deaths Per Million
Belgium 812.46
Spain 615.36
UK 553.37
Italy 542.52
France 422.93
Sweden 392.61
Correct, I was going to write the same!
So Italy, UK, France, Belgium and Spain are worse than Sweden (not locked down!)
Did you read any of the responses to that post?
Have a look at the surrounding Scandinavian countries with similar population densities and care systems then come back
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
I did, Enjoy.
UK is the worse country in the world after Spain (for now)."
Jow does that address the comparison between Sweden, Finland, Denmark and Norway?
Fancy posting that?
Then perhaps post the population density?
Then perhaps you can have a think about why that might be.
Alternatively pretend you have a we answer for a difficult problem.
I suspect you will only do the last one though |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Statistics are funny things, you can always make them present as you want them to.
Its a difficult comparison because of what others have pointed out.
There are lots of other factors that contribute like; density, ethnicity, aging population, obesity of the population, reporting deaths (outside of hospital or trusting what other countries have stated).
Basically impossible to compare countries side by side.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Swedish will follow the rules unlike us brits, so while they didn't lockdown they are actually good at listening to advice. Unlike a good chunk of the UK. |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"Statistics are funny things, you can always make them present as you want them to.
Its a difficult comparison because of what others have pointed out.
There are lots of other factors that contribute like; density, ethnicity, aging population, obesity of the population, reporting deaths (outside of hospital or trusting what other countries have stated).
Basically impossible to compare countries side by side.
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You can, however, make a much better comparison between neighbouring countries with similar cultures but taking different approaches...such as the Scandinavian countries.
What's the current data on that indicate? |
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By *lyreelMan
over a year ago
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To put things into perspective, Sweden has the highest recorded death rate so far.....and it translates to 6 deaths per day per million inhabitants.
Another fact, of the 40000 people dead in the UK, only 400 have been under the age of 59.
Soon we will be having higher death rates through cancellation of surgeries and cancer treatments etc.
I have no answer but plenty to think about. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Yesterdays Figures of Deaths Per Million
Belgium 812.46
Spain 615.36
UK 553.37
Italy 542.52
France 422.93
Sweden 392.61
Correct, I was going to write the same!
So Italy, UK, France, Belgium and Spain are worse than Sweden (not locked down!)
The Moon hasn't locked down either and there's not been a single case, never mind death there.
Let's follow the strategy of the Moon.
B
Said the member with a hidden profile "
Tbf our profile being hidden has about as much bearing on the discussion, ie none whatsoever.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Germany has roughly the same population per square mile as UK
Compare those figures
UK 650/sq mile
Germany 236/sq mile
You are getting your miles and kilometres mixed up,you quote miles for one and I'm for other
REAL numbers are
UK pop per sq km 259
Germany pop per sq km 240
Now compare these countries "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yesterdays Figures of Deaths Per Million
Belgium 812.46
Spain 615.36
UK 553.37
Italy 542.52
France 422.93
Sweden 392.61
What about Greece?
Same population as Sweden
Greece. 17,8 |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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Try the tabulation again . . .
May 27 2020
. 1. . . .2 . . . 3
9,334 11.42 817.19 Belgium
27,117 46.72 580.37 Spain
37,048 66.49 557.21 UK
32,955 60.43 545.33 Italy
28,494 66.99 425.36 France
4,125 10.18 405.08 Sweden
5,856 17.23 339.85 Netherlands
1,615 4.85 332.75 Ireland
98,787 327.17 301.95 United States
1,915 8.52 224.86 Switzerland
3,203 17.08 187.48 Ecuador
6,753 37.06 182.22 Canada
1,342 10.28 130.52 Portugal
3,788 31.99 118.41 Peru
24,512 209.47 117.02 Brazil
8,372 82.93 100.96 Germany
563 5.8 97.11 .Denmark
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173 10.73 16.13 .Greece
1. CD = Confirmed deaths (absolute)
2. PiM = Population (in millions)
3. DpM = Deaths per million |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke |
"Try the tabulation again . . .
May 27 2020
. 1. . . .2 . . . 3
9,334 11.42 817.19 Belgium
27,117 46.72 580.37 Spain
37,048 66.49 557.21 UK
32,955 60.43 545.33 Italy
28,494 66.99 425.36 France
4,125 10.18 405.08 Sweden
5,856 17.23 339.85 Netherlands
1,615 4.85 332.75 Ireland
98,787 327.17 301.95 United States
1,915 8.52 224.86 Switzerland
3,203 17.08 187.48 Ecuador
6,753 37.06 182.22 Canada
1,342 10.28 130.52 Portugal
3,788 31.99 118.41 Peru
24,512 209.47 117.02 Brazil
8,372 82.93 100.96 Germany
563 5.8 97.11 .Denmark
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173 10.73 16.13 .Greece
1. CD = Confirmed deaths (absolute)
2. PiM = Population (in millions)
3. DpM = Deaths per million"
Well you cant tabulate on a poorly scripted webpage I guess. Simply split the figures using commas and spaces and periods. |
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