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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I've seen on the news that trains are implementing social distancing measures but then tubes are packed like normal. Shops and supermarkets are making people queue outside but then once inside the stores people are moving around within close proximity on eachother (not to mention picking up fruit, veg and other products and then putting them back on the shelf). People are flocking to beaches with no social distancing going on. My question is, are people aware that if things continue as they as are then there will be a second wave? Was the lockdown eased too early? Can it even be called a lockdown? There's a bank holiday approaching and with the weather looking great will that see more people breaking social distancing?
Thoughts please. Personally I think the lockdown was eased too soon and I fear a second wave. |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
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"There will be a second, third ,forth and so on wave it isn't going away should we stay in lockdown forever?"
A second, third, fourth wave is preventable or can be minimised - all depending on how we handle the first wave.
Nobody in Westminster suggested we stay lock down forever, however as we ease the lockdown, other measures like good hygiene, social distancing etc should be promoted and adhere to.
That’s how you minimise the the chances of second and third waves. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"There will be a second, third ,forth and so on wave it isn't going away should we stay in lockdown forever?"
We shouldn't stay in lockdown forever. But as the government has been saying since the start, save the NHS, surely a "second, third, forth wave..." will put more strain on the NHS. History shows that the second waves in a pandemic has been far worse than the first. I want to get back to normality as much as the next person but with people breaking social distancing could it mean a step back? |
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Unless we social distance and stay locked down forever... without a working vaccine then it will be like flu.. or a cold.. it will keep coming back.
We cant stay SD forever or on lockdown.... oh and other countries arent getting 2nd waves after lifting lockdown
They have already said that they think this will be seasonal |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Get the fucking country open again get on with it! What will be will be.
Although I think this is the second wave now.. as may reports suggest it was probably already here late Nov early dec
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I work in a hospital and the number of covid patients is 5, nightingale hospitals zero I really don't think going to a beach is going to overwhelm the NHS anytime soon."
Thank fuck someone telling the truth ..
Only thing people are suffering from is mass hysteria..and being gullible and believing main stream media |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Get the fucking country open again get on with it! What will be will be.
Although I think this is the second wave now.. as may reports suggest it was probably already here late Nov early dec
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Experts are saying a second wave is 4 to 5 weeks away  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Get the fucking country open again get on with it! What will be will be.
Although I think this is the second wave now.. as may reports suggest it was probably already here late Nov early dec
Experts are saying a second wave is 4 to 5 weeks away "
Same experts that are paid by whom?
The people who want to instill the fear and compliance |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I work in a hospital and the number of covid patients is 5, nightingale hospitals zero I really don't think going to a beach is going to overwhelm the NHS anytime soon."
My neighbour works as an ITU nurse and she's seen it get slightly busier with Covid19 cases in the last week and she's said that experts are worried about a second wave in 4 to 5 weeks and a third in or around November. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Get the fucking country open again get on with it! What will be will be.
Although I think this is the second wave now.. as may reports suggest it was probably already here late Nov early dec
I work in hospital most beds empty. We prepared for it but the rush of covid patients did not happen
Experts are saying a second wave is 4 to 5 weeks away
Same experts that are paid by whom?
The people who want to instill the fear and compliance "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Then open hairdressers so we can get a chop before we lockdown again."
What he said!
When I got up this morning I looked like ken Dodd on a bad hair day! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Then open hairdressers so we can get a chop before we lockdown again."
I'm a barber its joke .. when we go back it wont be like before ..they will make us dress up like we are going to perform surgery.
And it will be half the customers seen each day .. good luck getting in.
Oddly I can't do my own job where I can control who comes in ..
But I can get a shit job working nights in a supermarket.
(Not that it bothers me)
Where there is no ppe or social distance bullshit ..
People are working as close to me as if I were cutting hair..
No mask nothing..
Why that, and then when we can open I have to dress up like a dr .. cunts ..
Oh and by the way .. half the food that goes on the shelf has been slid across the floor ..and the milk and meat ..stays out way longer than it should..
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"I work in a hospital and the number of covid patients is 5, nightingale hospitals zero I really don't think going to a beach is going to overwhelm the NHS anytime soon."
There are currently 10,000 people in hospital with Covid 19. So whilst the institution you work in may have low numbers, lots others still have plenty. |
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Nobody in Westminster suggested we stay lock down forever, however as we ease the lockdown, other measures like good hygiene, social distancing etc should be promoted and adhere to.
That’s how you minimise the the chances of second and third waves. "
Really good point.
I read a piece about Sweden's apparently laisser faire view around isolating, stating the character of Swedes is different to other Europeans, they're generally conformers, so aren't taxed by social distancing etc
We tend to challenge/ignore rules, so it may well take two/three waves to promote the required behaviour change before the general population believes they need to act differently. |
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The virus is here until further notice as the government chose this, instead of eradication. If they had taken different steps to tightly isolate when total infections were lower, and or have continuous effective contact tracing - implemented testing of everyone suspected of infection, isolated infected contacts, with lockdowns started as soon as they know they aren't stopping it and not easing lockdowns until r values are shown by testing to be very low for any area to come out of lockdown, we'd be safer and have many fewer deaths.
Too little of the right things done. Too much emphasis on the economy and not on evidence of other countries who were successful.
It didn't have to be this way. Neither does the blind pursuit down the rabbit holes were jumping in to. Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are looking wiser. |
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
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"I work in a hospital and the number of covid patients is 5, nightingale hospitals zero I really don't think going to a beach is going to overwhelm the NHS anytime soon.
Thank fuck someone telling the truth ..
Only thing people are suffering from is mass hysteria..and being gullible and believing main stream media "
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Responsible government is to govern the situation.
A vaccine is 50/50 within a year at best.
The country can't afford to be permanently locked down on the hope of a vaccine coming along at sometime.
Soooo.......
A responsible government needs to manage the exposure to keep levels at or slightly below what the NHS can cope with. To give as many as possible a fighting chance.
An R rating ranging from 0.8 to 1.2 is desirable.
It ain't rocket science guys. |
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"I've seen on the news that trains are implementing social distancing measures but then tubes are packed like normal. Shops and supermarkets are making people queue outside but then once inside the stores people are moving around within close proximity on eachother (not to mention picking up fruit, veg and other products and then putting them back on the shelf). People are flocking to beaches with no social distancing going on. My question is, are people aware that if things continue as they as are then there will be a second wave? Was the lockdown eased too early? Can it even be called a lockdown? There's a bank holiday approaching and with the weather looking great will that see more people breaking social distancing?
Thoughts please. Personally I think the lockdown was eased too soon and I fear a second wave. "
Ask the question in two weeks and you'll get an accurate answer
Nobody knows |
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"A friend of ours works in icu in the south east ....the only thing he has got at the moment is too many staff...and no customers x"
That's fantastic! Imagine though what the situation might have been like without the protection measures or if those measures are relaxed to soon? |
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"Responsible government is to govern the situation.
A vaccine is 50/50 within a year at best.
The country can't afford to be permanently locked down on the hope of a vaccine coming along at sometime.
Soooo.......
A responsible government needs to manage the exposure to keep levels at or slightly below what the NHS can cope with. To give as many as possible a fighting chance.
An R rating ranging from 0.8 to 1.2 is desirable.
It ain't rocket science guys. "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We are in this for the long haul, this is a 9 innings virus, we are only on innings no.2,the virus doesn't care about hope or fear,its not bothered about your family or friends, if we dont come up with a plan to actually live with this then many more will die
Hope is not a strategy, Dr Michael osterholm director of infectious diceases at minnesota University
Stay safe.... Dash |
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"Get the fucking country open again get on with it! What will be will be.
Although I think this is the second wave now.. as may reports suggest it was probably already here late Nov early dec
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One of the ways to combat a pandemic is herd immunity, are you willing to infect yourself and catch it to build up the populations immunity?
I mean sure we dont know if there will be any immunity for a decent length of time, but you're a man in a rush to get a haircut and some McDonalds, it's a risk you're willing to take right? And you'd be happy to refuse treatment to not overburden the NHS too, right? |
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"This is the second wave. We had the unofficial first one around christmas time. "
As much as I'd like to agree with you, and nod along absently as I mentally undress you. Lol.
What are you actually basing this claim on. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This is the second wave. We had the unofficial first one around christmas time.
As much as I'd like to agree with you, and nod along absently as I mentally undress you. Lol.
What are you actually basing this claim on. "
She's already undressed |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This is the second wave. We had the unofficial first one around christmas time.
So the first wave caused zero deaths??"
How do you know there were zero deaths |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This is the second wave. We had the unofficial first one around christmas time.
So the first wave caused zero deaths??"
Pneumonia was put down as the cause of illness/deaths prior to this. Plenty of those. |
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"This is the second wave. We had the unofficial first one around christmas time.
As much as I'd like to agree with you, and nod along absently as I mentally undress you. Lol.
What are you actually basing this claim on.
She's already undressed "
His kink is that hot skeleton action. Every time he goes to his GP he tries to get alone time with the skeleton model. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This is the second wave. We had the unofficial first one around christmas time.
As much as I'd like to agree with you, and nod along absently as I mentally undress you. Lol.
What are you actually basing this claim on.
She's already undressed "
 I'll have to be re-dressed |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This is the second wave. We had the unofficial first one around christmas time.
You know you could actually be right, and I think I had it"
Everybody I speak to has, and this is why the death rate has been so high, the deadly 'second wave' |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This is the second wave. We had the unofficial first one around christmas time.
So the first wave caused zero deaths??
Pneumonia was put down as the cause of illness/deaths prior to this. Plenty of those. "
A lot of deaths have covid-19 on the certificates, they don't know as they aren't doing postmortem s |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This is the second wave. We had the unofficial first one around christmas time.
So the first wave caused zero deaths??
Pneumonia was put down as the cause of illness/deaths prior to this. Plenty of those.
A lot of deaths have covid-19 on the certificates, they don't know as they aren't doing postmortem s"
Before covid was a thing, lots of deaths were recorded for pnuemonia that had also been negative for flu |
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"This is the second wave. We had the unofficial first one around christmas time.
So the first wave caused zero deaths??
How do you know there were zero deaths "
I was being a bit obtuse but I'm sure people would have noticed extra excessive deaths during that time and I'm sure it's been looked at regarding weekly death rates compared to averages of those weeks over the last 5 years. A few Eu countries have said one or two deaths have now been attributed to the virus but I hardly think that can be counted as a wave. |
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"This is the second wave. We had the unofficial first one around christmas time.
So the first wave caused zero deaths??
How do you know there were zero deaths
I was being a bit obtuse but I'm sure people would have noticed extra excessive deaths during that time and I'm sure it's been looked at regarding weekly death rates compared to averages of those weeks over the last 5 years. A few Eu countries have said one or two deaths have now been attributed to the virus but I hardly think that can be counted as a wave. "
Oops I meant to put one or two deaths in December last year  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This is the second wave. We had the unofficial first one around christmas time.
So the first wave caused zero deaths??
How do you know there were zero deaths
I was being a bit obtuse but I'm sure people would have noticed extra excessive deaths during that time and I'm sure it's been looked at regarding weekly death rates compared to averages of those weeks over the last 5 years. A few Eu countries have said one or two deaths have now been attributed to the virus but I hardly think that can be counted as a wave. "
Just to contradict myself,the death rate from 2019 and 2018 in April, may and June is higher than this year |
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"This is the second wave. We had the unofficial first one around christmas time.
So the first wave caused zero deaths??
Pneumonia was put down as the cause of illness/deaths prior to this. Plenty of those.
A lot of deaths have covid-19 on the certificates, they don't know as they aren't doing postmortem s
Before covid was a thing, lots of deaths were recorded for pnuemonia that had also been negative for flu "
So can you show us the death rates in December for pneumonia over the past few years? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This is the second wave. We had the unofficial first one around christmas time.
As much as I'd like to agree with you, and nod along absently as I mentally undress you. Lol.
What are you actually basing this claim on.
She's already undressed
His kink is that hot skeleton action. Every time he goes to his GP he tries to get alone time with the skeleton model."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This is the second wave. We had the unofficial first one around christmas time.
So the first wave caused zero deaths??
Pneumonia was put down as the cause of illness/deaths prior to this. Plenty of those.
A lot of deaths have covid-19 on the certificates, they don't know as they aren't doing postmortem s
Before covid was a thing, lots of deaths were recorded for pnuemonia that had also been negative for flu
So can you show us the death rates in December for pneumonia over the past few years? "
Im afraid I cannot no. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This is the second wave. We had the unofficial first one around christmas time.
So the first wave caused zero deaths??
Pneumonia was put down as the cause of illness/deaths prior to this. Plenty of those.
A lot of deaths have covid-19 on the certificates, they don't know as they aren't doing postmortem s
Before covid was a thing, lots of deaths were recorded for pnuemonia that had also been negative for flu
So can you show us the death rates in December for pneumonia over the past few years? "
Just Google it, you have Google dont you? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This is the second wave. We had the unofficial first one around christmas time.
So the first wave caused zero deaths??
Pneumonia was put down as the cause of illness/deaths prior to this. Plenty of those.
A lot of deaths have covid-19 on the certificates, they don't know as they aren't doing postmortem s
Before covid was a thing, lots of deaths were recorded for pnuemonia that had also been negative for flu
So can you show us the death rates in December for pneumonia over the past few years?
Im afraid I cannot no. "
Actually here we go, good old google copy and pasted
'There were 129,821 deaths registered in England in Quarter 4 (Oct to Dec) 2019; this was 6,752 more deaths than the five-year average (2014 to 2018) for this quarter' |
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"This is the second wave. We had the unofficial first one around christmas time.
So the first wave caused zero deaths??
Pneumonia was put down as the cause of illness/deaths prior to this. Plenty of those.
A lot of deaths have covid-19 on the certificates, they don't know as they aren't doing postmortem s
Before covid was a thing, lots of deaths were recorded for pnuemonia that had also been negative for flu
So can you show us the death rates in December for pneumonia over the past few years?
Just Google it, you have Google dont you? "
Hahaha, stupidly thought you'd already looked at the information. Hahaha |
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"This is the second wave. We had the unofficial first one around christmas time.
So the first wave caused zero deaths??
Pneumonia was put down as the cause of illness/deaths prior to this. Plenty of those.
A lot of deaths have covid-19 on the certificates, they don't know as they aren't doing postmortem s
Before covid was a thing, lots of deaths were recorded for pnuemonia that had also been negative for flu
So can you show us the death rates in December for pneumonia over the past few years?
Im afraid I cannot no.
Actually here we go, good old google copy and pasted
'There were 129,821 deaths registered in England in Quarter 4 (Oct to Dec) 2019; this was 6,752 more deaths than the five-year average (2014 to 2018) for this quarter'"
Hahaha, is that what you are basing it on.
Less than 5% swing on a AVERAGE number.
That is absolutely nothing. How do you know that the year before was 5% lower than average.
Must be some proper figures you guys are using?  |
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By *ob rodMan
over a year ago
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Of course there will brave additional waves of this
The only thing that would stop it is eradication which is virtually impossible (staying in for few months does not eradicate it)
Can’t believe intelligent people think there won’t be |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This is the second wave. We had the unofficial first one around christmas time.
So the first wave caused zero deaths??
Pneumonia was put down as the cause of illness/deaths prior to this. Plenty of those.
A lot of deaths have covid-19 on the certificates, they don't know as they aren't doing postmortem s
Before covid was a thing, lots of deaths were recorded for pnuemonia that had also been negative for flu
So can you show us the death rates in December for pneumonia over the past few years?
Im afraid I cannot no.
Actually here we go, good old google copy and pasted
'There were 129,821 deaths registered in England in Quarter 4 (Oct to Dec) 2019; this was 6,752 more deaths than the five-year average (2014 to 2018) for this quarter'
Hahaha, is that what you are basing it on.
Less than 5% swing on a AVERAGE number.
That is absolutely nothing. How do you know that the year before was 5% lower than average.
Must be some proper figures you guys are using? "
Show us some proper figures then Einstein |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This is the second wave. We had the unofficial first one around christmas time.
So the first wave caused zero deaths??
Pneumonia was put down as the cause of illness/deaths prior to this. Plenty of those.
A lot of deaths have covid-19 on the certificates, they don't know as they aren't doing postmortem s
Before covid was a thing, lots of deaths were recorded for pnuemonia that had also been negative for flu
So can you show us the death rates in December for pneumonia over the past few years?
Im afraid I cannot no.
Actually here we go, good old google copy and pasted
'There were 129,821 deaths registered in England in Quarter 4 (Oct to Dec) 2019; this was 6,752 more deaths than the five-year average (2014 to 2018) for this quarter'
Hahaha, is that what you are basing it on.
Less than 5% swing on a AVERAGE number.
That is absolutely nothing. How do you know that the year before was 5% lower than average.
Must be some proper figures you guys are using? "
It came from the office of national statistics. To my mind it is still sounding like nearly 7000 more deaths than you would have expected. Why dont you look at the year before and tell me haha.
Why does the thought of this idea upset you though? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"This is the second wave. We had the unofficial first one around christmas time.
So the first wave caused zero deaths??
Pneumonia was put down as the cause of illness/deaths prior to this. Plenty of those.
A lot of deaths have covid-19 on the certificates, they don't know as they aren't doing postmortem s
Before covid was a thing, lots of deaths were recorded for pnuemonia that had also been negative for flu
So can you show us the death rates in December for pneumonia over the past few years?
Im afraid I cannot no.
Actually here we go, good old google copy and pasted
'There were 129,821 deaths registered in England in Quarter 4 (Oct to Dec) 2019; this was 6,752 more deaths than the five-year average (2014 to 2018) for this quarter'
Hahaha, is that what you are basing it on.
Less than 5% swing on a AVERAGE number.
That is absolutely nothing. How do you know that the year before was 5% lower than average.
Must be some proper figures you guys are using?
Show us some proper figures then Einstein "
I counted on my fingers And toes and everything! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This is the second wave. We had the unofficial first one around christmas time.
So the first wave caused zero deaths??
Pneumonia was put down as the cause of illness/deaths prior to this. Plenty of those.
A lot of deaths have covid-19 on the certificates, they don't know as they aren't doing postmortem s
Before covid was a thing, lots of deaths were recorded for pnuemonia that had also been negative for flu
So can you show us the death rates in December for pneumonia over the past few years?
Im afraid I cannot no.
Actually here we go, good old google copy and pasted
'There were 129,821 deaths registered in England in Quarter 4 (Oct to Dec) 2019; this was 6,752 more deaths than the five-year average (2014 to 2018) for this quarter'
Hahaha, is that what you are basing it on.
Less than 5% swing on a AVERAGE number.
That is absolutely nothing. How do you know that the year before was 5% lower than average.
Must be some proper figures you guys are using?
Show us some proper figures then Einstein
I counted on my fingers And toes and everything! "
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
Lockdown was just a timing buffer while they fixed the nhs , if it’s fixed now, enough beds for those at risk , and thick people now know to wash their hands, no issue , let’s all get back to normal |
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By *lansmanMan
over a year ago
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"I work in a hospital and the number of covid patients is 5, nightingale hospitals zero I really don't think going to a beach is going to overwhelm the NHS anytime soon."
I have heard the same from my local hospital. Has anyone here experienced a hospital that has been overwhelmed at any point ? It's been a bit confusing tbh .. A&E departments are at record breaking low levels of usage and routine appointments cancelled .. maybe save the ICU departments but not the NHS ... |
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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago
Scotland - Aberdeen |
Well I'm still effectively in 'lockdown' and I am going stir fucking crazy! I am normally a very stoic person, but every now and then I have a wobble!
Was emailed by work today that we will definitely be out of the office until 20th July, so has given me mini palpitations as living and working alone is bloody hard to say the least yet still expected to deliver results!
Being alone through all of this is fucking hard, so I wish others feeling the same all the best will ever! Stay in there and stay strong! And it's ok to break down now and again  |
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This now seems total bollocks ...sea fronts packed and friends in car with 2 kids to Devon to visit parents ...as they say tk u Boris 80% wages and 8 weeks off happy days ...how many more like this ...total crap |
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By *oxy_minxWoman
over a year ago
Scotland - Aberdeen |
"This now seems total bollocks ...sea fronts packed and friends in car with 2 kids to Devon to visit parents ...as they say tk u Boris 80% wages and 8 weeks off happy days ...how many more like this ...total crap"
But do you agree with them? |
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By *yn drwgMan
over a year ago
Camarthen |
There will never be a right time to relax lockdown as the virus isn't going away we need a choice if we want to be in crowded areas, social distance will be with us for a while. I've been working all along and found the last week to be very busy on the roads, what I don't get is that people are more concerned about being able to go to the takeaway, beach, parks than seeing close family and being able to work. I really feel for the industries that have no hope of returning to work for a long time. |
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"This is the second wave. We had the unofficial first one around christmas time.
So the first wave caused zero deaths??
Pneumonia was put down as the cause of illness/deaths prior to this. Plenty of those.
A lot of deaths have covid-19 on the certificates, they don't know as they aren't doing postmortem s
Before covid was a thing, lots of deaths were recorded for pnuemonia that had also been negative for flu
So can you show us the death rates in December for pneumonia over the past few years?
Im afraid I cannot no.
Actually here we go, good old google copy and pasted
'There were 129,821 deaths registered in England in Quarter 4 (Oct to Dec) 2019; this was 6,752 more deaths than the five-year average (2014 to 2018) for this quarter'
Hahaha, is that what you are basing it on.
Less than 5% swing on a AVERAGE number.
That is absolutely nothing. How do you know that the year before was 5% lower than average.
Must be some proper figures you guys are using?
Show us some proper figures then Einstein "
Einstein? Errrrrr not even in the same ballpark. Lol.
To ask what figures you've seen to draw the conclusions that you are proposing is just a logical question.
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"This is the second wave. We had the unofficial first one around christmas time.
So the first wave caused zero deaths??
Pneumonia was put down as the cause of illness/deaths prior to this. Plenty of those.
A lot of deaths have covid-19 on the certificates, they don't know as they aren't doing postmortem s
Before covid was a thing, lots of deaths were recorded for pnuemonia that had also been negative for flu
So can you show us the death rates in December for pneumonia over the past few years?
Im afraid I cannot no.
Actually here we go, good old google copy and pasted
'There were 129,821 deaths registered in England in Quarter 4 (Oct to Dec) 2019; this was 6,752 more deaths than the five-year average (2014 to 2018) for this quarter'
Hahaha, is that what you are basing it on.
Less than 5% swing on a AVERAGE number.
That is absolutely nothing. How do you know that the year before was 5% lower than average.
Must be some proper figures you guys are using?
It came from the office of national statistics. To my mind it is still sounding like nearly 7000 more deaths than you would have expected. Why dont you look at the year before and tell me haha.
Why does the thought of this idea upset you though? "
Those figures you posted are no doubt accurate.
But the figures don't actually tell you anything.
They are not relevant to your proposition of an earlier wave, before the virus was even registered in China or anywhere else.
They is no emotional upset from me. I'm just asking for the evidence that has convinced you of your claims. |
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"This now seems total bollocks ...sea fronts packed and friends in car with 2 kids to Devon to visit parents ...as they say tk u Boris 80% wages and 8 weeks off happy days ...how many more like this ...total crap
But do you agree with them? "
no but if they can get 80% and not work it's not a bad deal ...get back to work is my thoughts |
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"This is the second wave. We had the unofficial first one around christmas time.
So the first wave caused zero deaths??
Pneumonia was put down as the cause of illness/deaths prior to this. Plenty of those.
A lot of deaths have covid-19 on the certificates, they don't know as they aren't doing postmortem s
Before covid was a thing, lots of deaths were recorded for pnuemonia that had also been negative for flu
So can you show us the death rates in December for pneumonia over the past few years?
Im afraid I cannot no.
Actually here we go, good old google copy and pasted
'There were 129,821 deaths registered in England in Quarter 4 (Oct to Dec) 2019; this was 6,752 more deaths than the five-year average (2014 to 2018) for this quarter'
Hahaha, is that what you are basing it on.
Less than 5% swing on a AVERAGE number.
That is absolutely nothing. How do you know that the year before was 5% lower than average.
Must be some proper figures you guys are using?
It came from the office of national statistics. To my mind it is still sounding like nearly 7000 more deaths than you would have expected. Why dont you look at the year before and tell me haha.
Why does the thought of this idea upset you though?
Those figures you posted are no doubt accurate.
But the figures don't actually tell you anything.
They are not relevant to your proposition of an earlier wave, before the virus was even registered in China or anywhere else.
They is no emotional upset from me. I'm just asking for the evidence that has convinced you of your claims. "
I gave you my evidence taken off an official website which is entirely relevant to what I said. You are just using assumption to try and make a point and sounding a bit wishy washy with it |
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"This is the second wave. We had the unofficial first one around christmas time.
So the first wave caused zero deaths??
Pneumonia was put down as the cause of illness/deaths prior to this. Plenty of those.
A lot of deaths have covid-19 on the certificates, they don't know as they aren't doing postmortem s
Before covid was a thing, lots of deaths were recorded for pnuemonia that had also been negative for flu
So can you show us the death rates in December for pneumonia over the past few years?
Im afraid I cannot no.
Actually here we go, good old google copy and pasted
'There were 129,821 deaths registered in England in Quarter 4 (Oct to Dec) 2019; this was 6,752 more deaths than the five-year average (2014 to 2018) for this quarter'
Hahaha, is that what you are basing it on.
Less than 5% swing on a AVERAGE number.
That is absolutely nothing. How do you know that the year before was 5% lower than average.
Must be some proper figures you guys are using?
It came from the office of national statistics. To my mind it is still sounding like nearly 7000 more deaths than you would have expected. Why dont you look at the year before and tell me haha.
Why does the thought of this idea upset you though?
Those figures you posted are no doubt accurate.
But the figures don't actually tell you anything.
They are not relevant to your proposition of an earlier wave, before the virus was even registered in China or anywhere else.
They is no emotional upset from me. I'm just asking for the evidence that has convinced you of your claims.
I gave you my evidence taken off an official website which is entirely relevant to what I said. You are just using assumption to try and make a point and sounding a bit wishy washy with it "
Hahaha. I'll try one more time. More clearly. Lol. 
You saw a figure that UK deaths in December 2019 were circa 4.5% above a five year average.
So you claimed there must have been a early wave of covid 19 in the UK before it was registered in China or anywhere else in the world.
Can you know see why someone would ask for some real evidence?
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"This is the second wave. We had the unofficial first one around christmas time.
So the first wave caused zero deaths??
Pneumonia was put down as the cause of illness/deaths prior to this. Plenty of those.
A lot of deaths have covid-19 on the certificates, they don't know as they aren't doing postmortem s
Before covid was a thing, lots of deaths were recorded for pnuemonia that had also been negative for flu
So can you show us the death rates in December for pneumonia over the past few years?
Im afraid I cannot no.
Actually here we go, good old google copy and pasted
'There were 129,821 deaths registered in England in Quarter 4 (Oct to Dec) 2019; this was 6,752 more deaths than the five-year average (2014 to 2018) for this quarter'
Hahaha, is that what you are basing it on.
Less than 5% swing on a AVERAGE number.
That is absolutely nothing. How do you know that the year before was 5% lower than average.
Must be some proper figures you guys are using?
It came from the office of national statistics. To my mind it is still sounding like nearly 7000 more deaths than you would have expected. Why dont you look at the year before and tell me haha.
Why does the thought of this idea upset you though?
Those figures you posted are no doubt accurate.
But the figures don't actually tell you anything.
They are not relevant to your proposition of an earlier wave, before the virus was even registered in China or anywhere else.
They is no emotional upset from me. I'm just asking for the evidence that has convinced you of your claims.
I gave you my evidence taken off an official website which is entirely relevant to what I said. You are just using assumption to try and make a point and sounding a bit wishy washy with it
Hahaha. I'll try one more time. More clearly. Lol.
You saw a figure that UK deaths in December 2019 were circa 4.5% above a five year average.
So you claimed there must have been a early wave of covid 19 in the UK before it was registered in China or anywhere else in the world.
Can you know see why someone would ask for some real evidence?
Or perhaps you wouldn't? Lol. "
You keep trying as often as you like until you can understand, I'm not sure I have an obligation to prove a theory but Im fairly sure I did, well enough for me anyway. Would you like me to do a full report and fax it over. I can do it in big writing ? ! Lol. |
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"Get the fucking country open again get on with it! What will be will be.
Although I think this is the second wave now.. as may reports suggest it was probably already here late Nov early dec
Experts are saying a second wave is 4 to 5 weeks away
Same experts that are paid by whom?
The people who want to instill the fear and compliance "
Why would any experts want to instill fear and compliance - what have they to gain by this - you really are taking conspiracy theories far too seriously. |
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over a year ago
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i think there is a big different between what you are going to see as spikes and what you are going to see as a wave...
remember that hancock has said that they reckon 15% of london, and 5% of the rest of the country have had covid so far... so you can see home much damage it has done with a relatively small amount of the population...
so if anyone mentions herd immunity.. tell them to shut up!!!
i think what you are like to see for the next few months are localised hotspots and flair ups... so its almost going to like dampening down pop up fires.....
the issue is going to be in the autumn, when the flu comes around this is likely to comeback up as well...
the question is going to be... if lets say between december and january it comes back as bad as it did...... do you then shut down the country again? |
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"i think there is a big different between what you are going to see as spikes and what you are going to see as a wave...
remember that hancock has said that they reckon 15% of london, and 5% of the rest of the country have had covid so far... so you can see home much damage it has done with a relatively small amount of the population...
so if anyone mentions herd immunity.. tell them to shut up!!!
i think what you are like to see for the next few months are localised hotspots and flair ups... so its almost going to like dampening down pop up fires.....
the issue is going to be in the autumn, when the flu comes around this is likely to comeback up as well...
the question is going to be... if lets say between december and january it comes back as bad as it did...... do you then shut down the country again?"
We are in this for the long haul,it's only just started, we need to adapt very quickly for economy sake,complacency will be our undoing |
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"Get the fucking country open again get on with it! What will be will be.
Although I think this is the second wave now.. as may reports suggest it was probably already here late Nov early dec
Experts are saying a second wave is 4 to 5 weeks away "
Which experts....I've not heard anthing on those lines. Unless of course it's "fab experts" in which case I missed the thread.
I appreciate it's different in different areas but R is now below 0.4 in London. At that rate (if it stays there) it would be gone by end of June.... |
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Shut down will not be a option, has anyone else seen the borrowing figures?
A vaccine seems unlikely within 12months or even longer.
So our only choice is to use social distancing and keep the R rating between 0.8 and 1.2 to manage hospital admissions.
With the aim of achieving a herd immunity with in the productive part of the economy.
Or we accept being 50% poorer as a nation, give up all the benefits we enjoy from our countrt/economy, including the NHS, education, law and order etc etc. ...
Surely even the dimist can appreciate that? Lol. |
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By *ostafunMan
over a year ago
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"Shut down will not be a option, has anyone else seen the borrowing figures?
A vaccine seems unlikely within 12months or even longer.
So our only choice is to use social distancing and keep the R rating between 0.8 and 1.2 to manage hospital admissions.
With the aim of achieving a herd immunity with in the productive part of the economy.
Or we accept being 50% poorer as a nation, give up all the benefits we enjoy from our countrt/economy, including the NHS, education, law and order etc etc. ...
Surely even the dimist can appreciate that? Lol. "
exactly why do you think the rest of Europe is opening up? Can't hide away forever. |
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"Get the fucking country open again get on with it! What will be will be.
Although I think this is the second wave now.. as may reports suggest it was probably already here late Nov early dec
Experts are saying a second wave is 4 to 5 weeks away
Which experts....I've not heard anthing on those lines. Unless of course it's "fab experts" in which case I missed the thread.
I appreciate it's different in different areas but R is now below 0.4 in London. At that rate (if it stays there) it would be gone by end of June...."
An expert in this field said his greatest fear is for it to go quite, and for people to think it has gone away and get complacent |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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"Get the fucking country open again get on with it! What will be will be.
Although I think this is the second wave now.. as may reports suggest it was probably already here late Nov early dec
Experts are saying a second wave is 4 to 5 weeks away
Which experts....I've not heard anthing on those lines. Unless of course it's "fab experts" in which case I missed the thread.
I appreciate it's different in different areas but R is now below 0.4 in London. At that rate (if it stays there) it would be gone by end of June...."
the difference between parts of the country can look as large as this
on the same day that london recorded only 24 new cases of covid, yorkshire and the north east recorded 4200 new cases! the north west recorded 3800 new cases....
it will come back out as people relax their guards... and as more people travel greater distances! (inter city train travel as basically died at the moment!)
its going nowhere.... |
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over a year ago
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"Shut down will not be a option, has anyone else seen the borrowing figures?
A vaccine seems unlikely within 12months or even longer.
So our only choice is to use social distancing and keep the R rating between 0.8 and 1.2 to manage hospital admissions.
With the aim of achieving a herd immunity with in the productive part of the economy.
Or we accept being 50% poorer as a nation, give up all the benefits we enjoy from our countrt/economy, including the NHS, education, law and order etc etc. ...
Surely even the dimist can appreciate that? Lol. "
see i hate the people who push the herd immunity arguement for the economy.. because its a sneeky way of saying "sure i'd let people die, its the oldes and weakest anyway!! i want mine back....
look at it like this... i'm going to be generous and say 10% of the uk population have had covid so far....
10% has cost use about 35-40000 lives....
to get o herd immunity you need a minimum 60-70% of the population.... you do the maths over have many hundreds of thousand would die to get to your utopia..... |
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"Shut down will not be a option, has anyone else seen the borrowing figures?
A vaccine seems unlikely within 12months or even longer.
So our only choice is to use social distancing and keep the R rating between 0.8 and 1.2 to manage hospital admissions.
With the aim of achieving a herd immunity with in the productive part of the economy.
Or we accept being 50% poorer as a nation, give up all the benefits we enjoy from our countrt/economy, including the NHS, education, law and order etc etc. ...
Surely even the dimist can appreciate that? Lol.
see i hate the people who push the herd immunity arguement for the economy.. because its a sneeky way of saying "sure i'd let people die, its the oldes and weakest anyway!! i want mine back....
look at it like this... i'm going to be generous and say 10% of the uk population have had covid so far....
10% has cost use about 35-40000 lives....
to get o herd immunity you need a minimum 60-70% of the population.... you do the maths over have many hundreds of thousand would die to get to your utopia..... "
Your maths/logic may be right.
But that's not what I said so please don't presume.
I explained the facts and choices as I see it.
Having a herd immunity in the working/productive part of the economy doesn't mean those at high risk are sacrificed.
They can continue to shield themselves, in the hope that at sometime a vaccine is found.
But luckily the vast majority of these are not in the productive part of the economy and their shielding impact could be managed.
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"Shut down will not be a option, has anyone else seen the borrowing figures?
A vaccine seems unlikely within 12months or even longer.
So our only choice is to use social distancing and keep the R rating between 0.8 and 1.2 to manage hospital admissions.
With the aim of achieving a herd immunity with in the productive part of the economy.
Or we accept being 50% poorer as a nation, give up all the benefits we enjoy from our countrt/economy, including the NHS, education, law and order etc etc. ...
Surely even the dimist can appreciate that? Lol.
see i hate the people who push the herd immunity arguement for the economy.. because its a sneeky way of saying "sure i'd let people die, its the oldes and weakest anyway!! i want mine back....
look at it like this... i'm going to be generous and say 10% of the uk population have had covid so far....
10% has cost use about 35-40000 lives....
to get o herd immunity you need a minimum 60-70% of the population.... you do the maths over have many hundreds of thousand would die to get to your utopia..... "
Not true we don't have hundreds of thousands of old and vulnerable so numbers will be lower. |
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"Shut down will not be a option, has anyone else seen the borrowing figures?
A vaccine seems unlikely within 12months or even longer.
So our only choice is to use social distancing and keep the R rating between 0.8 and 1.2 to manage hospital admissions.
With the aim of achieving a herd immunity with in the productive part of the economy.
Or we accept being 50% poorer as a nation, give up all the benefits we enjoy from our countrt/economy, including the NHS, education, law and order etc etc. ...
Surely even the dimist can appreciate that? Lol.
see i hate the people who push the herd immunity arguement for the economy.. because its a sneeky way of saying "sure i'd let people die, its the oldes and weakest anyway!! i want mine back....
look at it like this... i'm going to be generous and say 10% of the uk population have had covid so far....
10% has cost use about 35-40000 lives....
to get o herd immunity you need a minimum 60-70% of the population.... you do the maths over have many hundreds of thousand would die to get to your utopia..... Not true we don't have hundreds of thousands of old and vulnerable so numbers will be lower. "
Jeeze I would hate to be an elderly relative of yours talk about heartless. |
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"Shut down will not be a option, has anyone else seen the borrowing figures?
A vaccine seems unlikely within 12months or even longer.
So our only choice is to use social distancing and keep the R rating between 0.8 and 1.2 to manage hospital admissions.
With the aim of achieving a herd immunity with in the productive part of the economy.
Or we accept being 50% poorer as a nation, give up all the benefits we enjoy from our countrt/economy, including the NHS, education, law and order etc etc. ...
Surely even the dimist can appreciate that? Lol.
see i hate the people who push the herd immunity arguement for the economy.. because its a sneeky way of saying "sure i'd let people die, its the oldes and weakest anyway!! i want mine back....
look at it like this... i'm going to be generous and say 10% of the uk population have had covid so far....
10% has cost use about 35-40000 lives....
to get o herd immunity you need a minimum 60-70% of the population.... you do the maths over have many hundreds of thousand would die to get to your utopia..... Not true we don't have hundreds of thousands of old and vulnerable so numbers will be lower.
Jeeze I would hate to be an elderly relative of yours talk about heartless."
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"Shut down will not be a option, has anyone else seen the borrowing figures?
A vaccine seems unlikely within 12months or even longer.
So our only choice is to use social distancing and keep the R rating between 0.8 and 1.2 to manage hospital admissions.
With the aim of achieving a herd immunity with in the productive part of the economy.
Or we accept being 50% poorer as a nation, give up all the benefits we enjoy from our countrt/economy, including the NHS, education, law and order etc etc. ...
Surely even the dimist can appreciate that? Lol.
see i hate the people who push the herd immunity arguement for the economy.. because its a sneeky way of saying "sure i'd let people die, its the oldes and weakest anyway!! i want mine back....
look at it like this... i'm going to be generous and say 10% of the uk population have had covid so far....
10% has cost use about 35-40000 lives....
to get o herd immunity you need a minimum 60-70% of the population.... you do the maths over have many hundreds of thousand would die to get to your utopia..... Not true we don't have hundreds of thousands of old and vulnerable so numbers will be lower. "
Ons figures for 2016 give over 11 million people over 65, about 18% of the UK population..
Take away the average deaths pa and we are still looking at several million, and as to how many are vulnerable who knows..
You seem to be saying there's not a lot so that's OK if a number of them pay the price..?
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"Shut down will not be a option, has anyone else seen the borrowing figures?
A vaccine seems unlikely within 12months or even longer.
So our only choice is to use social distancing and keep the R rating between 0.8 and 1.2 to manage hospital admissions.
With the aim of achieving a herd immunity with in the productive part of the economy.
Or we accept being 50% poorer as a nation, give up all the benefits we enjoy from our countrt/economy, including the NHS, education, law and order etc etc. ...
Surely even the dimist can appreciate that? Lol.
see i hate the people who push the herd immunity arguement for the economy.. because its a sneeky way of saying "sure i'd let people die, its the oldes and weakest anyway!! i want mine back....
look at it like this... i'm going to be generous and say 10% of the uk population have had covid so far....
10% has cost use about 35-40000 lives....
to get o herd immunity you need a minimum 60-70% of the population.... you do the maths over have many hundreds of thousand would die to get to your utopia..... Not true we don't have hundreds of thousands of old and vulnerable so numbers will be lower.
Jeeze I would hate to be an elderly relative of yours talk about heartless."
No heartless we can protect our old and vulnerable, it's people using project fear of thousands dying if we come out of lockdown. We must stop using numbers that are way out to scare people. |
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"Shut down will not be a option, has anyone else seen the borrowing figures?
A vaccine seems unlikely within 12months or even longer.
So our only choice is to use social distancing and keep the R rating between 0.8 and 1.2 to manage hospital admissions.
With the aim of achieving a herd immunity with in the productive part of the economy.
Or we accept being 50% poorer as a nation, give up all the benefits we enjoy from our countrt/economy, including the NHS, education, law and order etc etc. ...
Surely even the dimist can appreciate that? Lol.
see i hate the people who push the herd immunity arguement for the economy.. because its a sneeky way of saying "sure i'd let people die, its the oldes and weakest anyway!! i want mine back....
look at it like this... i'm going to be generous and say 10% of the uk population have had covid so far....
10% has cost use about 35-40000 lives....
to get o herd immunity you need a minimum 60-70% of the population.... you do the maths over have many hundreds of thousand would die to get to your utopia..... Not true we don't have hundreds of thousands of old and vulnerable so numbers will be lower.
Jeeze I would hate to be an elderly relative of yours talk about heartless.No heartless we can protect our old and vulnerable, it's people using project fear of thousands dying if we come out of lockdown. We must stop using numbers that are way out to scare people. "
Over 50,000 death's more than the yearly average is enough to scare me anyone who isn't scared is living in cloud cuckoo land. |
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"Shut down will not be a option, has anyone else seen the borrowing figures?
A vaccine seems unlikely within 12months or even longer.
So our only choice is to use social distancing and keep the R rating between 0.8 and 1.2 to manage hospital admissions.
With the aim of achieving a herd immunity with in the productive part of the economy.
Or we accept being 50% poorer as a nation, give up all the benefits we enjoy from our countrt/economy, including the NHS, education, law and order etc etc. ...
Surely even the dimist can appreciate that? Lol.
see i hate the people who push the herd immunity arguement for the economy.. because its a sneeky way of saying "sure i'd let people die, its the oldes and weakest anyway!! i want mine back....
look at it like this... i'm going to be generous and say 10% of the uk population have had covid so far....
10% has cost use about 35-40000 lives....
to get o herd immunity you need a minimum 60-70% of the population.... you do the maths over have many hundreds of thousand would die to get to your utopia..... Not true we don't have hundreds of thousands of old and vulnerable so numbers will be lower.
Jeeze I would hate to be an elderly relative of yours talk about heartless.No heartless we can protect our old and vulnerable, it's people using project fear of thousands dying if we come out of lockdown. We must stop using numbers that are way out to scare people.
Over 50,000 death's more than the yearly average is enough to scare me anyone who isn't scared is living in cloud cuckoo land."
Most of the extra deaths are due to the fucked up care homes system, hopefully they are on top of that now. We are all to blame for this shoved our old into homes and left it to private money making companies to care of the old. |
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"Shut down will not be a option, has anyone else seen the borrowing figures?
A vaccine seems unlikely within 12months or even longer.
So our only choice is to use social distancing and keep the R rating between 0.8 and 1.2 to manage hospital admissions.
With the aim of achieving a herd immunity with in the productive part of the economy.
Or we accept being 50% poorer as a nation, give up all the benefits we enjoy from our countrt/economy, including the NHS, education, law and order etc etc. ...
Surely even the dimist can appreciate that? Lol.
see i hate the people who push the herd immunity arguement for the economy.. because its a sneeky way of saying "sure i'd let people die, its the oldes and weakest anyway!! i want mine back....
look at it like this... i'm going to be generous and say 10% of the uk population have had covid so far....
10% has cost use about 35-40000 lives....
to get o herd immunity you need a minimum 60-70% of the population.... you do the maths over have many hundreds of thousand would die to get to your utopia..... Not true we don't have hundreds of thousands of old and vulnerable so numbers will be lower.
Jeeze I would hate to be an elderly relative of yours talk about heartless.No heartless we can protect our old and vulnerable, it's people using project fear of thousands dying if we come out of lockdown. We must stop using numbers that are way out to scare people.
Over 50,000 death's more than the yearly average is enough to scare me anyone who isn't scared is living in cloud cuckoo land.Most of the extra deaths are due to the fucked up care homes system, hopefully they are on top of that now. We are all to blame for this shoved our old into homes and left it to private money making companies to care of the old. "
I agree to some point but at the end of the day it was that virus that you want to unleash...that killed them. |
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"Shut down will not be a option, has anyone else seen the borrowing figures?
A vaccine seems unlikely within 12months or even longer.
So our only choice is to use social distancing and keep the R rating between 0.8 and 1.2 to manage hospital admissions.
With the aim of achieving a herd immunity with in the productive part of the economy.
Or we accept being 50% poorer as a nation, give up all the benefits we enjoy from our countrt/economy, including the NHS, education, law and order etc etc. ...
Surely even the dimist can appreciate that? Lol.
see i hate the people who push the herd immunity arguement for the economy.. because its a sneeky way of saying "sure i'd let people die, its the oldes and weakest anyway!! i want mine back....
look at it like this... i'm going to be generous and say 10% of the uk population have had covid so far....
10% has cost use about 35-40000 lives....
to get o herd immunity you need a minimum 60-70% of the population.... you do the maths over have many hundreds of thousand would die to get to your utopia..... Not true we don't have hundreds of thousands of old and vulnerable so numbers will be lower.
Jeeze I would hate to be an elderly relative of yours talk about heartless.No heartless we can protect our old and vulnerable, it's people using project fear of thousands dying if we come out of lockdown. We must stop using numbers that are way out to scare people.
Over 50,000 death's more than the yearly average is enough to scare me anyone who isn't scared is living in cloud cuckoo land.Most of the extra deaths are due to the fucked up care homes system, hopefully they are on top of that now. We are all to blame for this shoved our old into homes and left it to private money making companies to care of the old.
I agree to some point but at the end of the day it was that virus that you want to unleash...that killed them."
Unleash that's so funny, so you believe we can hold this or any virus down it will run it's course. Thinking we can hide from it is means it's going to be a long haul. If enough fit people catch it the virus dies out, protect the vulnerable and get on with our lives. |
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