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By *uysx2 OP Couple (MM)
over a year ago
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With the U.K. currently under lockdown what needs to change to end the lockdown?
All the people saying they're not meeting under lockdown what changes do you need to see before you'll start meeting again?
A number of people think the end of lockdown will mean a slow return to normal life but until there is a vaccine we are stuck with Covid-19 unless it can be proven that after having it once you cannot get it again.
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"With the U.K. currently under lockdown what needs to change to end the lockdown?
All the people saying they're not meeting under lockdown what changes do you need to see before you'll start meeting again?
A number of people think the end of lockdown will mean a slow return to normal life but until there is a vaccine we are stuck with Covid-19 unless it can be proven that after having it once you cannot get it again.
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That would depend on ones suspected vulnerability wouldn't it ?
Young fit healthy people the risk is minimal except for infecting parents, relatives etc
Older people obviously higher risk, and those with underlying health issues will no doubt be very careful. |
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"With the U.K. currently under lockdown what needs to change to end the lockdown?
All the people saying they're not meeting under lockdown what changes do you need to see before you'll start meeting again?
A number of people think the end of lockdown will mean a slow return to normal life but until there is a vaccine we are stuck with Covid-19 unless it can be proven that after having it once you cannot get it again.
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A drastic increase in the collective intelligence of the country and of those in power? |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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Common sense and perspective to start with,and learning to live with it a manageable way.
We have learned to live with other illnesses so we must do the same with this.
I had measles,german measles,chicken pox,mumps,whooping caugh and probably more as a kid but was never locked up by perents they wanted me to get these things while young.I got them dispite vacinations I survived as most will survive covid.Sadly all I have mentioned kids died with but life went on,it is life like it or not.
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Many people around the world live with diseases as part of their daily life. Although it's unusual here, maybe we need to get used to people dying for now as part of our daily life.
25000 people die a day of malnutrition but we live with this because it doesn't threaten us and we don't really see it.
Im sorry for anyone who is impacted by the virus but the vast majority of people will get through it |
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By *itty9899Man
over a year ago
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"With the U.K. currently under lockdown what needs to change to end the lockdown?
All the people saying they're not meeting under lockdown what changes do you need to see before you'll start meeting again?
A number of people think the end of lockdown will mean a slow return to normal life but until there is a vaccine we are stuck with Covid-19 unless it can be proven that after having it once you cannot get it again.
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A cure or a total lack of respect for human life.  |
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"Many people around the world live with diseases as part of their daily life. Although it's unusual here, maybe we need to get used to people dying for now as part of our daily life.
25000 people die a day of malnutrition but we live with this because it doesn't threaten us and we don't really see it.
Im sorry for anyone who is impacted by the virus but the vast majority of people will get through it "
Well said. Common sense and perspective must prevail. |
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By *eilde HoarWoman
over a year ago
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"Lockdown the old and vulnerable and start mixing until heard immunity kicks in .
...but it's also killing younger, healthier people. How many need to be sacrificed?"
That's the toughest question of them all, sacrifice the elderly so the young can survive or sacrifice the young and some of the elderly die anyway, suicides and killings are rising rapidly, any death covid-19 related is awful it's a lose lose situation which ever way you look at it  |
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"Lockdown the old and vulnerable and start mixing until heard immunity kicks in .
It will come to this eventually  "
Sounds really harsh, but this is probably true.
Truth? We can't handle the truth! Lol. |
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over a year ago
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"Lockdown the old and vulnerable and start mixing until heard immunity kicks in .
...but it's also killing younger, healthier people. How many need to be sacrificed?
That's the toughest question of them all, sacrifice the elderly so the young can survive or sacrifice the young and some of the elderly die anyway, suicides and killings are rising rapidly, any death covid-19 related is awful it's a lose lose situation which ever way you look at it "
Over 80% of deaths are people over 70. Most of the other 20% are immune compromised in some way. Government should be advising people how to improve their immune system. |
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It doesn’t seem terribly hard to suggest people limit how far they travel for now. First Stay Home, 2nd 10 mile radius, 3rd 50 mile radius. Given that parts of Britain have differing ‘R’ rates, maybe have rules by County/Region? It has worked in other countries, why not here? All of a sudden saying 55m people can do what they like whilst some regions have growing ‘R’ rates is mad. This Government are useless at getting us out of this one |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It doesn’t seem terribly hard to suggest people limit how far they travel for now. First Stay Home, 2nd 10 mile radius, 3rd 50 mile radius. Given that parts of Britain have differing ‘R’ rates, maybe have rules by County/Region? It has worked in other countries, why not here? All of a sudden saying 55m people can do what they like whilst some regions have growing ‘R’ rates is mad. This Government are useless at getting us out of this one "
No government can get us out of this only the people can, use common sense and remember this virus kills 0.35% of the population. Or in other words 99.65% survive how long do we keep crashing our economy, because we will have to pay the bill.
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"It doesn’t seem terribly hard to suggest people limit how far they travel for now. First Stay Home, 2nd 10 mile radius, 3rd 50 mile radius. Given that parts of Britain have differing ‘R’ rates, maybe have rules by County/Region? It has worked in other countries, why not here? All of a sudden saying 55m people can do what they like whilst some regions have growing ‘R’ rates is mad. This Government are useless at getting us out of this one No government can get us out of this only the people can, use common sense and remember this virus kills 0.35% of the population. Or in other words 99.65% survive how long do we keep crashing our economy, because we will have to pay the bill. "
So an extra 250,000 people being killed is ok? |
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The virus could disappear here before there is a vaccine, just as it's getting closer to doing elsewhere. The r value, when below 1, means that it is infecting ever fewer people. Continue this and it disappears.
You just need a government that is committed to this and citizens who will adhere to the rules that are made.
How low does the number of people who are infected have to be before others will meet? Ideally it would be 0 but it's likely more people would meet if we were down to very low numbers of people who are all in isolation - say less than the 100 final sufferers, especially if they were all very distant to you geographically.
If patient numbers were low, others would still need some rights to travel to be able to meet of course.
At present there are likely several thousand people with the virus. We've still not tested all care or health workers, despite them putting themselves in grave risk. The government is rushing to get businesses open, rather than total eradication of the virus. Mediocre standards. That's what the UK settled for.
I don't have an absolute point where I'll meet. I'd prefer it to be when zero cases remain but I sense that may not happen for a long time, especially as we have 4 more years of this government. |
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It's like a common flu but obviously much mote severe I think time will be the ultimate judge I know England has relaxed its laws but wales is still keeping them because we haven't hit our peak yet. Hasn't stopped me going out on the motorbike though |
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Test trace and isolate is the only way I can see us getting out lock down let's face it nobody knows who has it or not its worked well else where. I also belive they don't test when you return to the country from abroad just jump in a taxi and go about your business as normal  |
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"Lockdown the old and vulnerable and start mixing until heard immunity kicks in .
...but it's also killing younger, healthier people. How many need to be sacrificed?
That's the toughest question of them all, sacrifice the elderly so the young can survive or sacrifice the young and some of the elderly die anyway, suicides and killings are rising rapidly, any death covid-19 related is awful it's a lose lose situation which ever way you look at it
Over 80% of deaths are people over 70. Most of the other 20% are immune compromised in some way. Government should be advising people how to improve their immune system."
All well and good advising how to improve the immune system but those who are shielding due to immunodeficiencies generally have conditions which prevent boosting it. |
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"Lockdown the old and vulnerable and start mixing until heard immunity kicks in .
...but it's also killing younger, healthier people. How many need to be sacrificed?
That's the toughest question of them all, sacrifice the elderly so the young can survive or sacrifice the young and some of the elderly die anyway, suicides and killings are rising rapidly, any death covid-19 related is awful it's a lose lose situation which ever way you look at it
Over 80% of deaths are people over 70. Most of the other 20% are immune compromised in some way. Government should be advising people how to improve their immune system.
All well and good advising how to improve the immune system but those who are shielding due to immunodeficiencies generally have conditions which prevent boosting it. "
Then you absolutely need to continue shielding, but the rest of the country being out working won't affect you in the slightest if you are shielding anyway. |
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"Lockdown the old and vulnerable and start mixing until heard immunity kicks in ."
Ive never heard such crap, older people have the same rights as the rest. We are human beings, some you younger ones are the ones who need lockdown. I mean 70 turn up for a rave, an then moan because told return to their home.God helps us
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"Test trace and isolate is the only way I can see us getting out lock down let's face it nobody knows who has it or not its worked well else where. I also belive they don't test when you return to the country from abroad just jump in a taxi and go about your business as normal "
Agreed. If they can sort out what they're doing with the app and address the privacy concerns then a lot of people will be a lot more comfortable.
I can't see anything other than a regional approach working either. They're desperate to get London moving again but the rest of the country are not ready yet. |
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By *litterbabeWoman
over a year ago
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If somehow the people who were infected or infectious somehow knew and stayed away from everybody until they were past it, am I right in thinking that then this particular virus would be gone and eradicated as it would have no host or host surface?
Or would whatever happened to attach it to humans be able to just do that again? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"With the U.K. currently under lockdown what needs to change to end the lockdown?
All the people saying they're not meeting under lockdown what changes do you need to see before you'll start meeting again?
A number of people think the end of lockdown will mean a slow return to normal life but until there is a vaccine we are stuck with Covid-19 unless it can be proven that after having it once you cannot get it again.
A drastic increase in the collective intelligence of the country and of those in power?"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Many people around the world live with diseases as part of their daily life. Although it's unusual here, maybe we need to get used to people dying for now as part of our daily life.
25000 people die a day of malnutrition but we live with this because it doesn't threaten us and we don't really see it.
Im sorry for anyone who is impacted by the virus but the vast majority of people will get through it "
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By (user no longer on site)
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All well and good advising how to improve the immune system but those who are shielding due to immunodeficiencies generally have conditions which prevent boosting it. "
So they should continue to shield until herd immunity makes it safe for them to return to normal life. Only other options are: vaccine or risk it! |
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"Lockdown the old and vulnerable and start mixing until heard immunity kicks in ."
I see your ad comment on another tread that you agreed with Human right an freedoms.An the right to meet to protest about lockdown an how wrong it. But state here Lockdown old an vulnerable.WHAT ABOUT OUR HUMAN RIGHTS.Or does that matter in our case. |
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"Lockdown the old and vulnerable and start mixing until heard immunity kicks in .
I see your ad comment on another tread that you agreed with Human right an freedoms.An the right to meet to protest about lockdown an how wrong it. But state here Lockdown old an vulnerable.WHAT ABOUT OUR HUMAN RIGHTS.Or does that matter in our case."
His views are/can be consistent, I don't suspect he is suggesting house arrest.
But without a vaccine, this seems the most advisable action. |
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"Many people around the world live with diseases as part of their daily life. Although it's unusual here, maybe we need to get used to people dying for now as part of our daily life.
25000 people die a day of malnutrition but we live with this because it doesn't threaten us and we don't really see it.
Im sorry for anyone who is impacted by the virus but the vast majority of people will get through it "
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People need to use common sense. Lockdown needs to be lifted regardless at some point. The virud will be around for a lomg time. We need to accept it's part of life now. Lockdown was to help the NHS cope. Many hospitals are now standing half/three quarters empty. Things must move forwards. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"People need to use common sense. Lockdown needs to be lifted regardless at some point. The virud will be around for a lomg time. We need to accept it's part of life now. Lockdown was to help the NHS cope. Many hospitals are now standing half/three quarters empty. Things must move forwards. Agree lockdown will.have to lift soon but to clarify something
nhs hospitals are not that empty pre covid work is on hold that is why they are quite then usual "
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"People need to use common sense. Lockdown needs to be lifted regardless at some point. The virud will be around for a lomg time. We need to accept it's part of life now. Lockdown was to help the NHS cope. Many hospitals are now standing half/three quarters empty. Things must move forwards. Agree lockdown will.have to lift soon but to clarify something
nhs hospitals are not that empty pre covid work is on hold that is why they are quite then usual "
Our local trust announced their Covid wards have only ever been at half their capacity, even at the peak, and are now much lower thsn half capacity. Nothing to do with other work being on hold. |
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"Our local trust announced their Covid wards have only ever been at half their capacity, even at the peak, and are now much lower thsn half capacity. Nothing to do with other work being on hold."
It'll be interesting to see if the capacity is adequate for the second spike that seems pretty much inevitable. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"People need to use common sense. Lockdown needs to be lifted regardless at some point. The virud will be around for a lomg time. We need to accept it's part of life now. Lockdown was to help the NHS cope. Many hospitals are now standing half/three quarters empty. Things must move forwards."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Just watched a program on the 3 camps in Greece shocking no doctors no where to wash, no social distancing. 100,000 people mixing together they had 500 positive case's but no one died, hang on we are being told if you go near someone you've going to die. Who bullshiting who? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Lockdown the old and vulnerable and start mixing until heard immunity kicks in .
I see your ad comment on another tread that you agreed with Human right an freedoms.An the right to meet to protest about lockdown an how wrong it. But state here Lockdown old an vulnerable.WHAT ABOUT OUR HUMAN RIGHTS.Or does that matter in our case.
His views are/can be consistent, I don't suspect he is suggesting house arrest.
But without a vaccine, this seems the most advisable action. "
Exactly, totally agree with you. no one is saying don't go out, but considering the stats on who's most vulnerable, it's common sense for the elderly to stay in and be protected. If the elderly aren't mixing with youngsters, they have less chance of catching covid and dying.... But I mean if you think your human rights are infringed because healthy people are prepared to go out, get the disease and try gain some form of herd immunity, for the benefit of those most at risk, by all means go out and compromise yourself, you still have a choice, you can't be forced to stay in. The diffence is most younger people will survive, the older you get, the less chance of survival you have. |
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"Lockdown the old and vulnerable and start mixing until heard immunity kicks in .
I see your ad comment on another tread that you agreed with Human right an freedoms.An the right to meet to protest about lockdown an how wrong it. But state here Lockdown old an vulnerable.WHAT ABOUT OUR HUMAN RIGHTS.Or does that matter in our case."
Nobody is taking away human rights, the advice for over 70 or vulnerable is to shield themselves by staying at home.
The risk to life is far greater for those in either of those groups but you are still free to leave your home should you choose too, you can go to the supermarket or the beach or a park etc
You still have your human rights and freedom!
I don't understand why people complain that those things are taken away.... 
But, should you happen to contract the virus and become seriously ill there is a greater risk you could die, so shielding is purely for your protection and to reduce the chance that you could lose your freedom forever through death.
Ultimately it's down to the individual to make that informed choice. |
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