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Read today about the Spanish flu, which was around from around 1918 to 1921. There were 4 big waves of the virus in total, the second was by far the worst but a lot of it was hushed up during the first wave as the war was still on so exact numbers aren't known. But killed anywhere between 17 and 50 million people.
It is believed that that particular virus mutated into something less harmful so maybe something similar will happen here, but that took around 3-4 years. After all its not in the interest of a virus to kill its host.
In the absence of a vaccine maybe that's our only hope for it to be completely eradicated? |
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By *arkb73Man
over a year ago
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"It's a little different everyone was tired and hungry after 4 years of war it was a lot of different things that led to that pandemic hunger poverty and sickness off the war "
There’s also a theory that the war itself led to it by churning up the fields of Northern Europe and elsewhere. |
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"It's a little different everyone was tired and hungry after 4 years of war it was a lot of different things that led to that pandemic hunger poverty and sickness off the war "
True and limited medical knowledge but the fact remains that that is what eventually eradicated it. Its probably very unlikely a vaccine will be found. |
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By *arkb73Man
over a year ago
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"It's a little different everyone was tired and hungry after 4 years of war it was a lot of different things that led to that pandemic hunger poverty and sickness off the war
True and limited medical knowledge but the fact remains that that is what eventually eradicated it. Its probably very unlikely a vaccine will be found. "
One was found for flu - so what’s your evidence that one cannot be found for this? |
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"It's a little different everyone was tired and hungry after 4 years of war it was a lot of different things that led to that pandemic hunger poverty and sickness off the war
True and limited medical knowledge but the fact remains that that is what eventually eradicated it. Its probably very unlikely a vaccine will be found.
One was found for flu - so what’s your evidence that one cannot be found for this? "
Flu isn't a coronavirus. There are currently 4 coronaviruses around, one of which is the common cold, and a vaccine has never been found for any of them. |
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By *arkb73Man
over a year ago
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"The 1957-8 Asian flu is a closer comparison.
I'll look that one up tomorrow 
You won’t like the ending - they found and implemented a vaccine in six months
Was it a coronavirus though? "
There’s never really been any attempt to find a coronavirus vaccine - now the world is looking for one. Your Spanish flu was about four different viruses. |
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"The 1957-8 Asian flu is a closer comparison.
I'll look that one up tomorrow
You won’t like the ending - they found and implemented a vaccine in six months
Was it a coronavirus though? "
Influenza viruses (all) are from the family orthomyxoviridae. They are totally different to coronaviruses. |
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"The 1957-8 Asian flu is a closer comparison.
I'll look that one up tomorrow
You won’t like the ending - they found and implemented a vaccine in six months
Was it a coronavirus though?
There’s never really been any attempt to find a coronavirus vaccine - now the world is looking for one. Your Spanish flu was about four different viruses. "
Partly true, people have looked at a vaccine against the "cold" as any drug research company that could develop one would make a fortune but its probably only been a half hearted effort. Let's keep our fingers crossed that they develop a vaccine. |
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By *arkb73Man
over a year ago
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"The 1957-8 Asian flu is a closer comparison.
I'll look that one up tomorrow
You won’t like the ending - they found and implemented a vaccine in six months
Was it a coronavirus though?
Influenza viruses (all) are from the family orthomyxoviridae. They are totally different to coronaviruses. "
But they’re viruses - and the major barriers to vaccines are will; finance and resources. In this case, the world is backing the production of a vaccine. |
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By *arkb73Man
over a year ago
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"The 1957-8 Asian flu is a closer comparison.
I'll look that one up tomorrow
You won’t like the ending - they found and implemented a vaccine in six months
Was it a coronavirus though?
There’s never really been any attempt to find a coronavirus vaccine - now the world is looking for one. Your Spanish flu was about four different viruses.
Partly true, people have looked at a vaccine against the "cold" as any drug research company that could develop one would make a fortune but its probably only been a half hearted effort. Let's keep our fingers crossed that they develop a vaccine. "
I don’t think half hearted covers it - see my other post. |
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one thing we shud all remember is a virus is a living thing and like all living things it wil change and evolv and cum back stronger and more dedley thats why we need a fully funded and stocked nhs as in 25 to 50 years the next virus may kil in as litle as a week so we need to be reddy for the next one as we were not reddy for this one |
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When the Spanish flu stuck 100 years ago and killed about 20 million people, the population of the world was approximately 2 billion, today,100 years later the population of the world is 8/9 billion,
In the 80 years of the 2oth century after the Spanish flu 100s of millons died in the major wars like ww2, Russia china civil wars, and many more wars, hundreds of millions more died in major famines in Asia and Africa, still the population of the world increased over 4 times, we live in 2020 ,one fifth of the 21st century has passed and we have not had a major war or famine, yet the world's population continues to explode, is this virus a ominous warning of what is coming, certainly the population increase will not be allowed to continue by whatever deity controls these things |
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"It's a little different everyone was tired and hungry after 4 years of war it was a lot of different things that led to that pandemic hunger poverty and sickness off the war
True and limited medical knowledge but the fact remains that that is what eventually eradicated it. Its probably very unlikely a vaccine will be found.
One was found for flu - so what’s your evidence that one cannot be found for this? "
Not quite, there is not a vaccine that can prevent all flu.
The vaccine that is available each year is developed to target the strain of flu that they think is most likely that year, some years they get it wrong and the death rates soar like a couple of years ago.
According to the ONS, this virus up until the end of April, had killed around 50,000 in the UK more people than they would normally expect, that's higher than the released figures given each day.
The true Higher figures we won't know until after its all ended. |
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By *arkb73Man
over a year ago
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"It's a little different everyone was tired and hungry after 4 years of war it was a lot of different things that led to that pandemic hunger poverty and sickness off the war
True and limited medical knowledge but the fact remains that that is what eventually eradicated it. Its probably very unlikely a vaccine will be found.
One was found for flu - so what’s your evidence that one cannot be found for this?
Not quite, there is not a vaccine that can prevent all flu.
The vaccine that is available each year is developed to target the strain of flu that they think is most likely that year, some years they get it wrong and the death rates soar like a couple of years ago.
According to the ONS, this virus up until the end of April, had killed around 50,000 in the UK more people than they would normally expect, that's higher than the released figures given each day.
The true Higher figures we won't know until after its all ended."
Never said the flu vaccine prevents all flu |
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According to the ONS, this virus up until the end of April, had killed around 50,000 in the UK more people than they would normally expect, that's higher than the released figures given each day.
The true Higher figures we won't know until after its all ended."
They said there were 50000 EXCESS DEATHS
Not all Covid or flu
Many will be heart attacks where people decide not to see a doctor etc |
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By *arkb73Man
over a year ago
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According to the ONS, this virus up until the end of April, had killed around 50,000 in the UK more people than they would normally expect, that's higher than the released figures given each day.
The true Higher figures we won't know until after its all ended.
They said there were 50000 EXCESS DEATHS
Not all Covid or flu
Many will be heart attacks where people decide not to see a doctor etc"
Correct - some areas have suspended cancer treatment and screening. There are elements of this which are truly baffling. |
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"one thing we shud all remember is a virus is a living thing and like all living things it wil change and evolv and cum back stronger and more dedley thats why we need a fully funded and stocked nhs as in 25 to 50 years the next virus may kil in as litle as a week so we need to be reddy for the next one as we were not reddy for this one"
Some viruses can mutate and become less deadly which is what is believed to have ended Spanish flu. But you're right pandemic planning for the future needs to be much more rigorous. Scientists have warned for years that a pandemic like the one we are experiencing now was imminent and governments around the world ignored it. |
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"It's a little different everyone was tired and hungry after 4 years of war it was a lot of different things that led to that pandemic hunger poverty and sickness off the war "
The troops moved the virus around, most of the deaths were young men, it was perfect for the virus |
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"Read today about the Spanish flu, which was around from around 1918 to 1921. There were 4 big waves of the virus in total, the second was by far the worst but a lot of it was hushed up during the first wave as the war was still on so exact numbers aren't known. But killed anywhere between 17 and 50 million people.
It is believed that that particular virus mutated into something less harmful so maybe something similar will happen here, but that took around 3-4 years. After all its not in the interest of a virus to kill its host.
In the absence of a vaccine maybe that's our only hope for it to be completely eradicated? "
Well it's kinda flu and didn't originate in Spain so I guess it's similar to Spanish flu |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Read today about the Spanish flu, which was around from around 1918 to 1921. There were 4 big waves of the virus in total, the second was by far the worst but a lot of it was hushed up during the first wave as the war was still on so exact numbers aren't known. But killed anywhere between 17 and 50 million people.
It is believed that that particular virus mutated into something less harmful so maybe something similar will happen here, but that took around 3-4 years. After all its not in the interest of a virus to kill its host.
In the absence of a vaccine maybe that's our only hope for it to be completely eradicated? "
Hopefully we have better scientific knowledge these days to get us through this |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The 1957-8 Asian flu is a closer comparison.
I'll look that one up tomorrow
You won’t like the ending - they found and implemented a vaccine in six months "
why wouldnt people like this? just because people are less confident or optimistic than you are about the vaccine doesn't mean they would be unhappy for a quick resolution |
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By *lansmanMan
over a year ago
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"one thing we shud all remember is a virus is a living thing and like all living things it wil change and evolv and cum back stronger and more dedley thats why we need a fully funded and stocked nhs as in 25 to 50 years the next virus may kil in as litle as a week so we need to be reddy for the next one as we were not reddy for this one"
Spanish flu could kill in 12 hours .. from symptom free till dead. Symptoms closer to the plague. One documentary I saw claimed it started in Kansas. |
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By *arkb73Man
over a year ago
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"Read today about the Spanish flu, which was around from around 1918 to 1921. There were 4 big waves of the virus in total, the second was by far the worst but a lot of it was hushed up during the first wave as the war was still on so exact numbers aren't known. But killed anywhere between 17 and 50 million people.
It is believed that that particular virus mutated into something less harmful so maybe something similar will happen here, but that took around 3-4 years. After all its not in the interest of a virus to kill its host.
In the absence of a vaccine maybe that's our only hope for it to be completely eradicated?
Well it's kinda flu and didn't originate in Spain so I guess it's similar to Spanish flu"
Spanish flu didn’t originate in Spain either. They say it originated in...wait for it...China. |
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By *arkb73Man
over a year ago
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"The 1957-8 Asian flu is a closer comparison.
I'll look that one up tomorrow
You won’t like the ending - they found and implemented a vaccine in six months
why wouldnt people like this? just because people are less confident or optimistic than you are about the vaccine doesn't mean they would be unhappy for a quick resolution "
You could have fooled me, judging by the glee with which some folk predict the apocalypse. |
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"It's a little different everyone was tired and hungry after 4 years of war it was a lot of different things that led to that pandemic hunger poverty and sickness off the war
True and limited medical knowledge but the fact remains that that is what eventually eradicated it. Its probably very unlikely a vaccine will be found.
there are different forms and strains of flu. they take a best guess for the next strain and try to cope with that one only
One was found for flu - so what’s your evidence that one cannot be found for this? "
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By *arkb73Man
over a year ago
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"It's a little different everyone was tired and hungry after 4 years of war it was a lot of different things that led to that pandemic hunger poverty and sickness off the war
True and limited medical knowledge but the fact remains that that is what eventually eradicated it. Its probably very unlikely a vaccine will be found.
there are different forms and strains of flu. they take a best guess for the next strain and try to cope with that one only
One was found for flu - so what’s your evidence that one cannot be found for this? "
There isn’t any evidence but it’s much more exciting for some folk to catastrophise everything. |
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"It's a little different everyone was tired and hungry after 4 years of war it was a lot of different things that led to that pandemic hunger poverty and sickness off the war
True and limited medical knowledge but the fact remains that that is what eventually eradicated it. Its probably very unlikely a vaccine will be found.
there are different forms and strains of flu. they take a best guess for the next strain and try to cope with that one only
One was found for flu - so what’s your evidence that one cannot be found for this?
There isn’t any evidence but it’s much more exciting for some folk to catastrophise everything. "
I replied with my "evidence" above |
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By *arkb73Man
over a year ago
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"It's a little different everyone was tired and hungry after 4 years of war it was a lot of different things that led to that pandemic hunger poverty and sickness off the war
True and limited medical knowledge but the fact remains that that is what eventually eradicated it. Its probably very unlikely a vaccine will be found.
there are different forms and strains of flu. they take a best guess for the next strain and try to cope with that one only
One was found for flu - so what’s your evidence that one cannot be found for this?
There isn’t any evidence but it’s much more exciting for some folk to catastrophise everything.
I replied with my "evidence" above "
Remind me of your evidence? |
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"It's a little different everyone was tired and hungry after 4 years of war it was a lot of different things that led to that pandemic hunger poverty and sickness off the war
True and limited medical knowledge but the fact remains that that is what eventually eradicated it. Its probably very unlikely a vaccine will be found.
there are different forms and strains of flu. they take a best guess for the next strain and try to cope with that one only
One was found for flu - so what’s your evidence that one cannot be found for this?
There isn’t any evidence but it’s much more exciting for some folk to catastrophise everything.
I replied with my "evidence" above
Remind me of your evidence? "
Well it's still here in the thread. |
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By *arkb73Man
over a year ago
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"It's a little different everyone was tired and hungry after 4 years of war it was a lot of different things that led to that pandemic hunger poverty and sickness off the war
True and limited medical knowledge but the fact remains that that is what eventually eradicated it. Its probably very unlikely a vaccine will be found.
there are different forms and strains of flu. they take a best guess for the next strain and try to cope with that one only
One was found for flu - so what’s your evidence that one cannot be found for this?
There isn’t any evidence but it’s much more exciting for some folk to catastrophise everything.
I replied with my "evidence" above
Remind me of your evidence?
Well it's still here in the thread. "
You’ve said it’s unlikely there will be a vaccine - not sure that’s evidence? |
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Spanish flu was quite different I thought, biggest impact was on healthy 20/30 year old adults and the elderly and very young were less impacted. I'm not sure comparisons can be drawn.
Equally I'm not skeptical that a vaccine or effective anti virals will be found, I'm sure something will work and allow a return to closer to normality |
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"Spanish flu was quite different I thought, biggest impact was on healthy 20/30 year old adults and the elderly and very young were less impacted. I'm not sure comparisons can be drawn.
Equally I'm not skeptical that a vaccine or effective anti virals will be found, I'm sure something will work and allow a return to closer to normality"
Not ensure how many healthy 20/30 yr olds there were after the war? |
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By *arkb73Man
over a year ago
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"According to the Oxford trials on primates the vaccine prevented COVID-19 from going into the lungs.
That's all we need really."
Not for some - they want the drama and the crisis to continue indefinitely |
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"According to the Oxford trials on primates the vaccine prevented COVID-19 from going into the lungs.
That's all we need really.
Not for some - they want the drama and the crisis to continue indefinitely "
Ok in that case we shouldn't let facts get in the way. I believe the Israelis also have had some promising results. Not just in vaccine development but in treatment too.
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-05/13/c_139051608.htm |
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"Spanish flu was quite different I thought, biggest impact was on healthy 20/30 year old adults and the elderly and very young were less impacted. I'm not sure comparisons can be drawn.
Equally I'm not skeptical that a vaccine or effective anti virals will be found, I'm sure something will work and allow a return to closer to normality
Not ensure how many healthy 20/30 yr olds there were after the war?"
Quite a few, it was called a world war but was largely European |
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"According to the Oxford trials on primates the vaccine prevented COVID-19 from going into the lungs.
That's all we need really.
Not for some - they want the drama and the crisis to continue indefinitely "
this logic of not believing a vaccine is imminent = drama is lost on me  to me it just means we need to be looking at other methods of getting going again that can be implemented if we don't get a vaccine or until we get one
you seem to have aimed it me earlier because i said life might never return to normal and if we side step the fact you took umbrage at me using normal as a term for what people were used to pre covid, i don’t understand why that is dramatic rather than a perfectly reasonable chain of thought
it doesn’t automatically mean we assume the virus will be rampant forever and we wont ever leave the house again but life post covid is likely to look different for alot of people, the effects of a lockdown have not all been negative, and it has sparked a change in thoughts and behaviours for many
how many people have enjoyed finding a better work life balance without the daily commute and flexing their hours around their home commitments, while companies have rushed through the capability for mass home working and are clocking on to the fact that they don’t need to pay to for energy consumption in offices anymore and over time when their leases run out they could save on that rent and office furniture bill too, that employees can “bring your own device” and cut down the equipment bill ... for many 9-5 mon -fri office working wont return because there have been benefits from both sides
how many have commented on here about it being likely to be a long time before they travel abroad again , wether that be because of affordability, fear from the awareness of how easy it is for something like this to happen again, or just because they want to put their money back into the uk economy first, its still a change in most peoples usual holidaying pattern
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If you want information on the 1918/1919 Pandemic, you could do worse than listen to this radio documentary:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000j2tz
That's Part 1, there's two more to come. It's interesting stuff. Obviously, a lot has changed since then - but it's disturbing how some things still haven't been learned yet. |
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"The 1957-8 Asian flu is a closer comparison.
I'll look that one up tomorrow
You won’t like the ending - they found and implemented a vaccine in six months
Was it a coronavirus though?
There’s never really been any attempt to find a coronavirus vaccine - now the world is looking for one. Your Spanish flu was about four different viruses. "
Not true. They tried to find a vaccine for SARS and haven't managed it in 17 years although the efforts for Covid19 will be larger.
A vaccine for canine Coronavirus exists but apparently doesn't work very well so not sure what the point of it is! |
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"The 1957-8 Asian flu is a closer comparison.
I'll look that one up tomorrow
You won’t like the ending - they found and implemented a vaccine in six months
Was it a coronavirus though?
There’s never really been any attempt to find a coronavirus vaccine - now the world is looking for one. Your Spanish flu was about four different viruses.
Not true. They tried to find a vaccine for SARS and haven't managed it in 17 years although the efforts for Covid19 will be larger.
A vaccine for canine Coronavirus exists but apparently doesn't work very well so not sure what the point of it is!"
They stopped developing a vaccine gor SARS because it disappeared on its own. |
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"one thing we shud all remember is a virus is a living thing and like all living things it wil change and evolv and cum back stronger and more dedley thats why we need a fully funded and stocked nhs as in 25 to 50 years the next virus may kil in as litle as a week so we need to be reddy for the next one as we were not reddy for this one
Some viruses can mutate and become less deadly which is what is believed to have ended Spanish flu. But you're right pandemic planning for the future needs to be much more rigorous. Scientists have warned for years that a pandemic like the one we are experiencing now was imminent and governments around the world ignored it. "
Not just scientists.. |
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"Read today about the Spanish flu, which was around from around 1918 to 1921. There were 4 big waves of the virus in total, the second was by far the worst but a lot of it was hushed up during the first wave as the war was still on so exact numbers aren't known. But killed anywhere between 17 and 50 million people.
It is believed that that particular virus mutated into something less harmful so maybe something similar will happen here, but that took around 3-4 years. After all its not in the interest of a virus to kill its host.
In the absence of a vaccine maybe that's our only hope for it to be completely eradicated?
Well it's kinda flu and didn't originate in Spain so I guess it's similar to Spanish flu"
This is correct - it started in Haskell County in Kansas (in a military camp) and then spread to Europe and elsewhere via US troop movements: it became known as 'Spanish 'flu' as the Spanish press, it being WW1 times, was the only press that wasn't 'restricted' and hence news about the 'flu first appeared in papers in Spain and thus 'Spanish 'flu' |
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"It started in Haskell County in Kansas (in a military camp) and then spread to Europe and elsewhere via US troop movements."
That's debatable. Certainly, it spread from Haskell. However, there is evidence of it - or something very similar - on the Western front as early as 1916, in Étaples, at a British Army staging area.
So, the likelihood is that it did not originate in the USA.
Not that it matters. |
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By *69BANMan
over a year ago
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"It's a little different everyone was tired and hungry after 4 years of war it was a lot of different things that led to that pandemic hunger poverty and sickness off the war
True and limited medical knowledge but the fact remains that that is what eventually eradicated it. Its probably very unlikely a vaccine will be found.
One was found for flu - so what’s your evidence that one cannot be found for this?
Flu isn't a coronavirus. There are currently 4 coronaviruses around, one of which is the common cold, and a vaccine has never been found for any of them. "
Nope, there are many types of coronavirus, of which 7 are known to infect humans. Four cause the cold, one is SARS, one is MERS, and now one is SARS-2. There has not been the need for a vaccine until now as we've never got to pandemic levels. |
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The most common name for the killer virus, the Spanish flu, implied, of course, that it originated in Spain. Perhaps this was because there were serious outbreaks in both Madrid and Seville that infected eight million people in May of 1918 alone, even almost taking out the king himself, Alfonso XIII.
But, more likely, Spain had this fatal flu named in its honour because of the freedom enjoyed by the Spanish press at the time. Because of its neutral position in World War I, Spain was not subject to wartime censorship, which in turn meant that the press could freely and passionately report on the extent of local outbreaks.
This widespread coverage mistakenly gave the world the impression that the flu was more prevalent there than anywhere else.
The real geographical culprit, however, was not Spain, where the virus in question was actually most often referred to as the "French Flu."
And, unlike the other serious but less deadly influenza pandemics that followed -- the Asian flu of 1957 and the Hong Kong flu of 1968 -- the site of the very first confirmed outbreak was not China, but the good old U. S. of A.
The first known victim was an American soldier who also happened to be responsible for food preparation at his army training camp and may have unintentionally spread the sickness Typhoid-Mary style. |
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Spanish Flu is only a close comparison for folk trying to terrify people into staying in their homes. Stay indoors of 50million are gonna die.
There may well be peaks and troughs in the meantime but where is this evidence that there will be a 2nd wave that wipes out millions? |
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It was the second and third waves of the Spanish Flu that killed the most people.
I appreciate that the Flu and COVID-19 are two different types of virus.
https://www.history.com/news/spanish-flu-second-wave-resurgence
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By *arkb73Man
over a year ago
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"The 1957-8 Asian flu is a closer comparison.
I'll look that one up tomorrow
You won’t like the ending - they found and implemented a vaccine in six months
Was it a coronavirus though?
There’s never really been any attempt to find a coronavirus vaccine - now the world is looking for one. Your Spanish flu was about four different viruses.
Not true. They tried to find a vaccine for SARS and haven't managed it in 17 years although the efforts for Covid19 will be larger.
A vaccine for canine Coronavirus exists but apparently doesn't work very well so not sure what the point of it is!"
They gave up on a SARS vaccine because everyone who gets SARS shows symptoms so they were able to isolate them. |
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I think some people (well a certain person anyway) has misinterpreted my reason for starting this thread. It was simply to demonstrate that even if a vaccine can't be found (and that's based on the fact that no vaccine for a coronavirus has ever been found) then everything need not be doom and gloom has viruses can mutate into less harmful forms. As in the case of Spanish flu. Not all viruses mutate and remain deadly. |
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"Spanish flue killed over 20-60 million.
WW1 killed 18 million
This is not flu"
Tom, its still a virus. I was merely making the point that viruses can mutate into less harmful versions of themselves |
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"Spanish flue killed over 20-60 million.
WW1 killed 18 million
This is not flu
Tom, its still a virus. I was merely making the point that viruses can mutate into less harmful versions of themselves "
Fair play.. do some mutate to be more deadly ? |
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"It's a little different everyone was tired and hungry after 4 years of war it was a lot of different things that led to that pandemic hunger poverty and sickness off the war
True and limited medical knowledge but the fact remains that that is what eventually eradicated it. Its probably very unlikely a vaccine will be found.
One was found for flu - so what’s your evidence that one cannot be found for this? "
H1N1 and Sara still don't have a vaccine and they are very recent in comparison |
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"It's a little different everyone was tired and hungry after 4 years of war it was a lot of different things that led to that pandemic hunger poverty and sickness off the war
True and limited medical knowledge but the fact remains that that is what eventually eradicated it. Its probably very unlikely a vaccine will be found.
One was found for flu - so what’s your evidence that one cannot be found for this?
H1N1 and Sara still don't have a vaccine and they are very recent in comparison"
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"Spanish flue killed over 20-60 million.
WW1 killed 18 million
This is not flu
Tom, its still a virus. I was merely making the point that viruses can mutate into less harmful versions of themselves
Fair play.. do some mutate to be more deadly ?"
They possibly could. And that's what everyone assumes based on threads I've read. Just wanted to provide reassurance that they can mutate the other way too. |
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According to the ONS, this virus up until the end of April, had killed around 50,000 in the UK more people than they would normally expect, that's higher than the released figures given each day.
The true Higher figures we won't know until after its all ended.
They said there were 50000 EXCESS DEATHS
Not all Covid or flu
Many will be heart attacks where people decide not to see a doctor etc
Correct - some areas have suspended cancer treatment and screening. There are elements of this which are truly baffling. "
Not going to comment on the rights or wrongs of it, but the 2 main treatments for cancers can compromise the immune system, so that's probably the link why some treatments have been suspended, assume screenings are due to lack of resources? |
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"It's a little different everyone was tired and hungry after 4 years of war it was a lot of different things that led to that pandemic hunger poverty and sickness off the war
True and limited medical knowledge but the fact remains that that is what eventually eradicated it. Its probably very unlikely a vaccine will be found.
One was found for flu - so what’s your evidence that one cannot be found for this?
H1N1 and Sara still don't have a vaccine and they are very recent in comparison"
But they were very close on a SARS vaccine from what I have heard, but the threat subsided and hence so did the funding |
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"Spanish flue killed over 20-60 million.
WW1 killed 18 million
This is not flu
Tom, its still a virus. I was merely making the point that viruses can mutate into less harmful versions of themselves "
You can go back through every disease / virus throughout history, the older they are clearly the less accurate the data is, so you probably need to park those (even Spanish flu) and compare it to SARS / MERS / Swine flu outbreaks recently and by far the worst has been swine flu, but it's just not as contagious as this |
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"It's a little different everyone was tired and hungry after 4 years of war it was a lot of different things that led to that pandemic hunger poverty and sickness off the war
True and limited medical knowledge but the fact remains that that is what eventually eradicated it. Its probably very unlikely a vaccine will be found.
One was found for flu - so what’s your evidence that one cannot be found for this?
H1N1 and Sara still don't have a vaccine and they are very recent in comparison
But they were very close on a SARS vaccine from what I have heard, but the threat subsided and hence so did the funding"
genuine question... how can you know if you are close on a vaccine? surely it either works of doesnt work? |
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"It's a little different everyone was tired and hungry after 4 years of war it was a lot of different things that led to that pandemic hunger poverty and sickness off the war
True and limited medical knowledge but the fact remains that that is what eventually eradicated it. Its probably very unlikely a vaccine will be found.
One was found for flu - so what’s your evidence that one cannot be found for this?
H1N1 and Sara still don't have a vaccine and they are very recent in comparison
But they were very close on a SARS vaccine from what I have heard, but the threat subsided and hence so did the funding
genuine question... how can you know if you are close on a vaccine? surely it either works of doesnt work? "
You test, then test again, then test again. Monitor tests for a period of time for side effects then release.
That’s a bit of an edit but is why you won’t get a vaccine tomorrow.
Lessons of Thalidomide...and others |
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"It's a little different everyone was tired and hungry after 4 years of war it was a lot of different things that led to that pandemic hunger poverty and sickness off the war
True and limited medical knowledge but the fact remains that that is what eventually eradicated it. Its probably very unlikely a vaccine will be found.
One was found for flu - so what’s your evidence that one cannot be found for this?
H1N1 and Sara still don't have a vaccine and they are very recent in comparison
But they were very close on a SARS vaccine from what I have heard, but the threat subsided and hence so did the funding
genuine question... how can you know if you are close on a vaccine? surely it either works of doesnt work?
You test, then test again, then test again. Monitor tests for a period of time for side effects then release.
That’s a bit of an edit but is why you won’t get a vaccine tomorrow.
Lessons of Thalidomide...and others "
so very close on SARS could mean it was fighting the SARS successfully but still had too many side effects kind of thing? |
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According to the ONS, this virus up until the end of April, had killed around 50,000 in the UK more people than they would normally expect, that's higher than the released figures given each day.
The true Higher figures we won't know until after its all ended.
They said there were 50000 EXCESS DEATHS
Not all Covid or flu
Many will be heart attacks where people decide not to see a doctor etc
Correct - some areas have suspended cancer treatment and screening. There are elements of this which are truly baffling.
Not going to comment on the rights or wrongs of it, but the 2 main treatments for cancers can compromise the immune system, so that's probably the link why some treatments have been suspended, assume screenings are due to lack of resources? "
You may be right, but that wasn’t the reason given for suspending screenings. The reason was to redirect all resources to deal with COVID. |
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According to the ONS, this virus up until the end of April, had killed around 50,000 in the UK more people than they would normally expect, that's higher than the released figures given each day.
The true Higher figures we won't know until after its all ended.
They said there were 50000 EXCESS DEATHS
Not all Covid or flu
Many will be heart attacks where people decide not to see a doctor etc
Correct - some areas have suspended cancer treatment and screening. There are elements of this which are truly baffling.
Not going to comment on the rights or wrongs of it, but the 2 main treatments for cancers can compromise the immune system, so that's probably the link why some treatments have been suspended, assume screenings are due to lack of resources?
You may be right, but that wasn’t the reason given for suspending screenings. The reason was to redirect all resources to deal with COVID. "
Wasn't that what I said? Lack of resource for screenings  |
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