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By *ook OP Man
over a year ago
london |
Now gone up to £15 per day and extended hours to 10pm at night...plus now running 7 days a week ( to include weekends)... plus add in the ulez charge and it’s a serious amount to find if you need to drive in the zone. I now have bikes and electric scooter in place and will get another Exempt motorbike post covid... but guessing it’s just the start of a very difficult and expensive travel nightmare for Londoners... no news about trains yet but guessing fares will go through the roof for out of town commuters... |
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"Now gone up to £15 per day and extended hours to 10pm at night...plus now running 7 days a week ( to include weekends)... plus add in the ulez charge and it’s a serious amount to find if you need to drive in the zone. I now have bikes and electric scooter in place and will get another Exempt motorbike post covid... but guessing it’s just the start of a very difficult and expensive travel nightmare for Londoners... no news about trains yet but guessing fares will go through the roof for out of town commuters..."
Two questions.....
1. Which element of the above is a surprise to anyone?
2. Why aren’t the same ULEZ charges and restrictions being rolled out across every uk town and city? |
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over a year ago
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"Now gone up to £15 per day and extended hours to 10pm at night...plus now running 7 days a week ( to include weekends)... plus add in the ulez charge and it’s a serious amount to find if you need to drive in the zone. I now have bikes and electric scooter in place and will get another Exempt motorbike post covid... but guessing it’s just the start of a very difficult and expensive travel nightmare for Londoners... no news about trains yet but guessing fares will go through the roof for out of town commuters...
Two questions.....
1. Which element of the above is a surprise to anyone?
2. Why aren’t the same ULEZ charges and restrictions being rolled out across every uk town and city?"
i would guess this at the same time as the PM is on tv asking people wherever possible to use their cars instead of public transport might be the surprise |
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"Now gone up to £15 per day and extended hours to 10pm at night...plus now running 7 days a week ( to include weekends)... plus add in the ulez charge and it’s a serious amount to find if you need to drive in the zone. I now have bikes and electric scooter in place and will get another Exempt motorbike post covid... but guessing it’s just the start of a very difficult and expensive travel nightmare for Londoners... no news about trains yet but guessing fares will go through the roof for out of town commuters...
Two questions.....
1. Which element of the above is a surprise to anyone?
2. Why aren’t the same ULEZ charges and restrictions being rolled out across every uk town and city?
i would guess this at the same time as the PM is on tv asking people wherever possible to use their cars instead of public transport might be the surprise "
It's almost as if the mop-haired blitherer and his gang of nodding dogs are making it up as they go along. |
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"i would guess this at the same time as the PM is on tv asking people wherever possible to use their cars instead of public transport might be the surprise
It's almost as if the mop-haired blitherer and his gang of nodding dogs are making it up as they go along."
Sadiq Khan was on LBC yesterday saying that he'd been planning with TFL and the DfT for a restart this coming Monday. They were working out staffing etc with that in mind. Johnson's announcement bringing it forward a week was a surprise to him too. |
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Seems reasonable to reinstate the income streams for TfL, especially as they have just received (possibly by untoward means) a government bailout to the tune of £1.7 billion.
Khan has increased the congestion charge to try and avoid a surge in traffic.
Hope its not another of his common sense plans that saw him reduce the number of tube trains running, thereby increasing the number of people being crammed into fewer trains...
now he appears to back, after 7 weeks
absence from reporting to the London Assembly, i'm sure the members are looking forward to his first Mayors Questions, and having the opportunity to scrutinise what the hell he has been doing! |
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By *emptd2Man
over a year ago
Burgess Hill & Birmingham |
- Fare freezes removed.
- congestion charge the go up to £15
- congestion charge 7 days a week
- congestion charge extended to 10pm
- under 18s lose free travel and discounts
- over 60s no longer get free travel at rush hour times
All imposed terms of the government bailout. |
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By *ook OP Man
over a year ago
london |
Not a surprise no...just Going to be impossible to pay for vast majority of car commuters so god knows how many who can’t use bikes or otherwise to travel will cope. Agree roll out is probably a good idea. Personally think they should scrap ( or delay) hs2 now and reallocate money as roads for cycles will need work. Air quality is much improved so mayor must be happy about that at least. Will probably be the last thing he does though as he’s going to be out for sure. |
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By *ty31Man
over a year ago
NW London |
Really stupid, really dangerous and really punishing to those who can least afford it.
At a time when we are being advised and encouraged to use other means of transport this will only make it less feasible and put more people in danger.
Plus it's going to impact on tradesmen and couriers, taking money out of their pockets at a time of financial crisis |
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"Really stupid, really dangerous and really punishing to those who can least afford it.
At a time when we are being advised and encouraged to use other means of transport this will only make it less feasible and put more people in danger.
Plus it's going to impact on tradesmen and couriers, taking money out of their pockets at a time of financial crisis"
Problem is that the charge was and has been too low for years.When did it last go up.Was expecting it to be 20quid.
Public transport fares also to rise more than the Mayor would like.
Roosters coming home to roost now.If the Mayor had increased fares and the congestion charge at sensible rates and had some reserves then HE would not have had to go cap in hand and had these conditions imposed on him. |
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"- Fare freezes removed.
- congestion charge the go up to £15
- congestion charge 7 days a week
- congestion charge extended to 10pm
- under 18s lose free travel and discounts
- over 60s no longer get free travel at rush hour times
All imposed terms of the government bailout."
All quite sensible moves. |
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"- Fare freezes removed.
- congestion charge the go up to £15
- congestion charge 7 days a week
- congestion charge extended to 10pm
- under 18s lose free travel and discounts
- over 60s no longer get free travel at rush hour times
All imposed terms of the government bailout.
All quite sensible moves."
Yeah, really sensible to suspend disabled people's travel cards at peak times. Because disabled people don't have jobs to go to, obviously. Disabled people are also highly unlikely to be able to cycle or walk (I know I certainly can't) and I don't know if you've tried commuting by wheelchair, but it's fucking hard work if you have excellent upper body strength. It's impossible if your impairment involves the upper body. I can push my chair at least 10km over uneven ground. I work over 20km from my house (in normal circumstances). The 10k over uneven ground, up hills etc took me nearly 3hrs. I was utterly knackered afterwards. What I'm trying to say is that if I can't drive my (adapted) car to work, then I'm out of a job. I earn a decent salary, it would be very economically stupid to make me sit at home and claim benefits. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"- Fare freezes removed.
- congestion charge the go up to £15
- congestion charge 7 days a week
- congestion charge extended to 10pm
- under 18s lose free travel and discounts
- over 60s no longer get free travel at rush hour times
All imposed terms of the government bailout.
All quite sensible moves.
Yeah, really sensible to suspend disabled people's travel cards at peak times. Because disabled people don't have jobs to go to, obviously. Disabled people are also highly unlikely to be able to cycle or walk (I know I certainly can't) and I don't know if you've tried commuting by wheelchair, but it's fucking hard work if you have excellent upper body strength. It's impossible if your impairment involves the upper body. I can push my chair at least 10km over uneven ground. I work over 20km from my house (in normal circumstances). The 10k over uneven ground, up hills etc took me nearly 3hrs. I was utterly knackered afterwards. What I'm trying to say is that if I can't drive my (adapted) car to work, then I'm out of a job. I earn a decent salary, it would be very economically stupid to make me sit at home and claim benefits. "
I could afford the fair, easily, an office cleaner?
It's another tax on lower earners. |
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"- Fare freezes removed.
- congestion charge the go up to £15
- congestion charge 7 days a week
- congestion charge extended to 10pm
- under 18s lose free travel and discounts
- over 60s no longer get free travel at rush hour times
All imposed terms of the government bailout.
All quite sensible moves.
Yeah, really sensible to suspend disabled people's travel cards at peak times. Because disabled people don't have jobs to go to, obviously. Disabled people are also highly unlikely to be able to cycle or walk (I know I certainly can't) and I don't know if you've tried commuting by wheelchair, but it's fucking hard work if you have excellent upper body strength. It's impossible if your impairment involves the upper body. I can push my chair at least 10km over uneven ground. I work over 20km from my house (in normal circumstances). The 10k over uneven ground, up hills etc took me nearly 3hrs. I was utterly knackered afterwards. What I'm trying to say is that if I can't drive my (adapted) car to work, then I'm out of a job. I earn a decent salary, it would be very economically stupid to make me sit at home and claim benefits.
I could afford the fair, easily, an office cleaner?
It's another tax on lower earners."
Its irrelevant to me here in the North West - our public transport is inaccesible (no lifts at the railway stations) so my only option to get to work is to drive. If they start congestion charges etc of upwards of £15 a day, I have no idea if I could afford to keep working.
London is a different kettle of fish entirely - different infrastructure, integrated ticketing etc. If they are willing to give free passes to disabled people, why now obstruct the likely hours someone might go to work? The disabled pass in London is far more generous than we have here. I use a wheelchair but don't qualify for a disabled travel pass, because I don't claim benefits. I have a Blue Badge, but that's not enough  |
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"- Fare freezes removed.
- congestion charge the go up to £15
- congestion charge 7 days a week
- congestion charge extended to 10pm
- under 18s lose free travel and discounts
- over 60s no longer get free travel at rush hour times
All imposed terms of the government bailout.
All quite sensible moves.
Yeah, really sensible to suspend disabled people's travel cards at peak times. Because disabled people don't have jobs to go to, obviously. Disabled people are also highly unlikely to be able to cycle or walk (I know I certainly can't) and I don't know if you've tried commuting by wheelchair, but it's fucking hard work if you have excellent upper body strength. It's impossible if your impairment involves the upper body. I can push my chair at least 10km over uneven ground. I work over 20km from my house (in normal circumstances). The 10k over uneven ground, up hills etc took me nearly 3hrs. I was utterly knackered afterwards. What I'm trying to say is that if I can't drive my (adapted) car to work, then I'm out of a job. I earn a decent salary, it would be very economically stupid to make me sit at home and claim benefits.
I could afford the fair, easily, an office cleaner?
It's another tax on lower earners."
But the problem is that HE held fares and congestion charge at levels that TFL could not sustain.
At some point this was going to come home to roost.Just happened to be on his watch not someone elses.
And no I haven't tried travelling in a wheelchair in London as I drive into the city most days as it really hard to carry all my tools and ladders on public transport.Bad enough just with a tool bag in rush hour.One of our engineers did go by tube to a job carrying a ladder once.
But we I will take your point.If you want to travel at peak times then pay the full fare like everyone else.Also if you drive in then you get to park on a disabled bay free of charge.
And as to under 18s loosing free travel.Then either the parents pay the fare or they walk like I did when a kid.Wont do them any harm.
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I don't get to park for free, unless it's on the street for 3hrs or less. I pay NCP for a season ticket, the same as everyone else, apart from there's only 2 disabled bays in the car park, so it's pot luck if I get one. I've found myself boxed in to standard spaces lots of times, on one occasion had to sit in my chair at the side of my car for 2hrs, waiting for the knob who'd parked 2cm from my door to come back.
I don't live in London, here in the NW, you don't get a travel pass unless you claim benefits, which I don't, so I don't have one. Yes, I have the Blue badge, but that's not about free parking, it's about needing the space to get in and out and space to get a wheelchair in and out of the boot. Private car parks almost 100% charge disabled badge holders and I paid for parking at the hospital yesterday while in a Blue Badge space. |
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"I don't get to park for free, unless it's on the street for 3hrs or less. I pay NCP for a season ticket, the same as everyone else, apart from there's only 2 disabled bays in the car park, so it's pot luck if I get one. I've found myself boxed in to standard spaces lots of times, on one occasion had to sit in my chair at the side of my car for 2hrs, waiting for the knob who'd parked 2cm from my door to come back.
I don't live in London, here in the NW, you don't get a travel pass unless you claim benefits, which I don't, so I don't have one. Yes, I have the Blue badge, but that's not about free parking, it's about needing the space to get in and out and space to get a wheelchair in and out of the boot. Private car parks almost 100% charge disabled badge holders and I paid for parking at the hospital yesterday while in a Blue Badge space."
We do in London I believe as one of the painters on one of my sites drove in everyday and parked on a bay for 4 hours before moving it to another one for the afternoon.
The City of London carparks all have marked bays for disabled badge holders.How much they are charged I don't know.And most of the time in the carpark I use the bays are mostly free.
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over a year ago
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It’s just unfair. They give with one hand and take with the other. My monthly expense is now going to go up an additional £400.
They always give you a false impression that they’re looking out for the networkers, are they fuck!?
I don’t need your clapping on a Thursday. Just let me be able to actually GET to work!!
And I’m sorry, I’m not a fan of the cyclists and all the scooters etc. Why on earth do they never use the actual cycle lanes? And if you try to tell them to use it as it’ll be safer, it’s as if you’re the one at fault.
I’m sorry. We’re the ones paying the road tax and all the other charges. They need to find a way to start getting those cyclists to cough up a bit of money
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"I don't get to park for free, unless it's on the street for 3hrs or less. I pay NCP for a season ticket, the same as everyone else, apart from there's only 2 disabled bays in the car park, so it's pot luck if I get one. I've found myself boxed in to standard spaces lots of times, on one occasion had to sit in my chair at the side of my car for 2hrs, waiting for the knob who'd parked 2cm from my door to come back.
I don't live in London, here in the NW, you don't get a travel pass unless you claim benefits, which I don't, so I don't have one. Yes, I have the Blue badge, but that's not about free parking, it's about needing the space to get in and out and space to get a wheelchair in and out of the boot. Private car parks almost 100% charge disabled badge holders and I paid for parking at the hospital yesterday while in a Blue Badge space.
We do in London I believe as one of the painters on one of my sites drove in everyday and parked on a bay for 4 hours before moving it to another one for the afternoon.
The City of London carparks all have marked bays for disabled badge holders.How much they are charged I don't know.And most of the time in the carpark I use the bays are mostly free.
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There are almost no council car parks left up here. They've all been handed over to the likes of NCP etc. Surface car parks and multi storeys all have Blue Badge bays, yes, but you have to pay exactly the same as everyone else. Hospitals aren't free either. The only free parking I can benefit from as a Blue badge holder is on-street council parking and that's capped at 3hrs. Doesn't stretch for the workday, eh?
Why is it relevant if the Blue Badge bays are unoccupied when you go? I've seen the same car park with no-one in Blue Badge bays and every single bay full. Depends on the time of day, day of the week etc. Trying to get a Blue Badge bay at Salford Hospital, for example, is a feat of magic. They are always full. The bays are designed to enable access for people with disabilities, nothing to do with money. |
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"I don't get to park for free, unless it's on the street for 3hrs or less. I pay NCP for a season ticket, the same as everyone else, apart from there's only 2 disabled bays in the car park, so it's pot luck if I get one. I've found myself boxed in to standard spaces lots of times, on one occasion had to sit in my chair at the side of my car for 2hrs, waiting for the knob who'd parked 2cm from my door to come back.
I don't live in London, here in the NW, you don't get a travel pass unless you claim benefits, which I don't, so I don't have one. Yes, I have the Blue badge, but that's not about free parking, it's about needing the space to get in and out and space to get a wheelchair in and out of the boot. Private car parks almost 100% charge disabled badge holders and I paid for parking at the hospital yesterday while in a Blue Badge space.
We do in London I believe as one of the painters on one of my sites drove in everyday and parked on a bay for 4 hours before moving it to another one for the afternoon.
The City of London carparks all have marked bays for disabled badge holders.How much they are charged I don't know.And most of the time in the carpark I use the bays are mostly free.
There are almost no council car parks left up here. They've all been handed over to the likes of NCP etc. Surface car parks and multi storeys all have Blue Badge bays, yes, but you have to pay exactly the same as everyone else. Hospitals aren't free either. The only free parking I can benefit from as a Blue badge holder is on-street council parking and that's capped at 3hrs. Doesn't stretch for the workday, eh?
Why is it relevant if the Blue Badge bays are unoccupied when you go? I've seen the same car park with no-one in Blue Badge bays and every single bay full. Depends on the time of day, day of the week etc. Trying to get a Blue Badge bay at Salford Hospital, for example, is a feat of magic. They are always full. The bays are designed to enable access for people with disabilities, nothing to do with money. "
Car parking in the City and surrounds is all to do with money.To park for a day in London costs me between £20 and £60 depending on where I have to park |
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"I don't get to park for free, unless it's on the street for 3hrs or less. I pay NCP for a season ticket, the same as everyone else, apart from there's only 2 disabled bays in the car park, so it's pot luck if I get one. I've found myself boxed in to standard spaces lots of times, on one occasion had to sit in my chair at the side of my car for 2hrs, waiting for the knob who'd parked 2cm from my door to come back.
I don't live in London, here in the NW, you don't get a travel pass unless you claim benefits, which I don't, so I don't have one. Yes, I have the Blue badge, but that's not about free parking, it's about needing the space to get in and out and space to get a wheelchair in and out of the boot. Private car parks almost 100% charge disabled badge holders and I paid for parking at the hospital yesterday while in a Blue Badge space.
We do in London I believe as one of the painters on one of my sites drove in everyday and parked on a bay for 4 hours before moving it to another one for the afternoon.
The City of London carparks all have marked bays for disabled badge holders.How much they are charged I don't know.And most of the time in the carpark I use the bays are mostly free.
There are almost no council car parks left up here. They've all been handed over to the likes of NCP etc. Surface car parks and multi storeys all have Blue Badge bays, yes, but you have to pay exactly the same as everyone else. Hospitals aren't free either. The only free parking I can benefit from as a Blue badge holder is on-street council parking and that's capped at 3hrs. Doesn't stretch for the workday, eh?
Why is it relevant if the Blue Badge bays are unoccupied when you go? I've seen the same car park with no-one in Blue Badge bays and every single bay full. Depends on the time of day, day of the week etc. Trying to get a Blue Badge bay at Salford Hospital, for example, is a feat of magic. They are always full. The bays are designed to enable access for people with disabilities, nothing to do with money.
Car parking in the City and surrounds is all to do with money.To park for a day in London costs me between £20 and £60 depending on where I have to park"
The NCP I use for work is about £25 for 24hrs. If I wasn't a season ticket holder, that's what I'd pay, whilst displaying a Blue badge. I'm trying to say that the Blue Badge is bugger all to do with money, it's about enabling access to the vehicle. Yes, parking charges are about money, but the Blue badge scheme is not. |
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