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"It would appear that the time the PM spent in hospital fighting covid19 has strengthened his resolve to tackle obesity in the country. He is preparing a "much more interventionist" approach to tackling the issue, and is drawing up a new strategy. He is said to be convinced that the reason he needed treatment in ICU was due to his 17 and half stone weight. Will you support and embrace a new strategy, make changes and become healthier? " Sounds positive. Be interested to see what measures are suggested. Previous attempts got a lot of negative press. | |||
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"I see Diabetes accounts for a large percentage as well. Although the two may go hand in hand. Covid 19 has made me reevaluate my diet and training. I have upped the sups, Superfoods and vegetable intakes. I try and do more cardio as well. " Type 2 diabetes and obesity do go hand in hand. Hopefully this virus will force people to take a look at what they eat and how little they exercise. | |||
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"Couldn't believe the queue trying to get into the KFC yesterday! The last say of the Macs in town, led to traffic queues of a mile long. Can people really not do without this stuff? " I queued for an hour for kfc. | |||
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"Couldn't believe the queue trying to get into the KFC yesterday! The last say of the Macs in town, led to traffic queues of a mile long. Can people really not do without this stuff? I queued for an hour for kfc. " Popcorn chicken with gravy? | |||
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"I see Diabetes accounts for a large percentage as well. Although the two may go hand in hand. Covid 19 has made me reevaluate my diet and training. I have upped the sups, Superfoods and vegetable intakes. I try and do more cardio as well. Type 2 diabetes and obesity do go hand in hand. Hopefully this virus will force people to take a look at what they eat and how little they exercise." It is soooooooooooooo much more complex than a calorie intake, calorie expenditure formula. | |||
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"Couldn't believe the queue trying to get into the KFC yesterday! The last say of the Macs in town, led to traffic queues of a mile long. Can people really not do without this stuff? I queued for an hour for kfc. Popcorn chicken with gravy?" it was for the kids mostly. But I had 3 chicken fillets 2 wings and a beans  | |||
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"I see Diabetes accounts for a large percentage as well. Although the two may go hand in hand. Covid 19 has made me reevaluate my diet and training. I have upped the sups, Superfoods and vegetable intakes. I try and do more cardio as well. Type 2 diabetes and obesity do go hand in hand. Hopefully this virus will force people to take a look at what they eat and how little they exercise." Diabetic medications do not help | |||
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"It would appear that the time the PM spent in hospital fighting covid19 has strengthened his resolve to tackle obesity in the country. He is preparing a "much more interventionist" approach to tackling the issue, and is drawing up a new strategy. He is said to be convinced that the reason he needed treatment in ICU was due to his 17 and half stone weight. Will you support and embrace a new strategy, make changes and become healthier? " I'll support a new strategy that aims to educate and help people reevaluate *if they need or want to* but I'm not sure what else can be done. There's huge amounts of information out there, every packaged food item you buy has nutritional information on it, you can't move on the net without some bright eyed celeb telling you how to exercise and advice is freely available everywhere. The only thing that will prevent wide spread obesity is limited availability of food. I won't be making any changes myself as I already eat healthily, exercise regularly and am within the acceptable weight range for my height. | |||
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"Progress and breakthrough often comes in the strangest times, wars, crisis. It has to be good news. For millions of years we stored up fat and sugar in our bodies whenever we had the chance because we never knew when the next meal was coming from. There’s a supermarket over the road but out monkey brain hasn’t caught on. It’s time to solve this problem " I think the only answer to that is evolution. Give it 10,000 years and we'll be fine  | |||
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"Uk and US have highest death rates, we also have the worse diet, makes you think. " I did actually think that looking at populations although we are only 4th highest death rate per million. | |||
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"I dont believe Boris had the virus. I believe he was playing it up and hiding from his responsibility." agreed  | |||
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"I dont believe Boris had the virus. I believe he was playing it up and hiding from his responsibility." Lol not sure the NHS staff treating him would have played along with that. Sounds like a great conspiracy theory though | |||
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"Progress and breakthrough often comes in the strangest times, wars, crisis. It has to be good news. For millions of years we stored up fat and sugar in our bodies whenever we had the chance because we never knew when the next meal was coming from. There’s a supermarket over the road but out monkey brain hasn’t caught on. It’s time to solve this problem I think the only answer to that is evolution. Give it 10,000 years and we'll be fine "Oh I don’t know , if we can resist the urge to drag a sexy woman into our cave , we can learn to say no to another cake | |||
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"Yes they are more in the risk of getting it too." not sure that is true... just if you catch it it's supposed to be worse. | |||
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"Perhaps the first thing that has to change is the notion that you can be healthy and obese." but the fact is that you can be. | |||
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"Perhaps the first thing that has to change is the notion that you can be healthy and obese." But you will not remain healthy if you remain obese. It also depends upon where the fat accumulates - is it all in the adipose tissue or is around your organs or in them. I have research somewhere that also suggests body shape (the accumulation of fat in the adipose tissue) is less unhealthy if you pile it on on the lower half of the body rather than all over. When watching a series of 600lb bodies, I only saw one person with fat accumulated in that way. She was extremely wide frontal view below waist, but turned sideways, well she wasn't a barrel. | |||
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"Overweight people have more fat cells that which produce an enzyme that coronavirus can easily attach to, so it can take a hold more quickly and do more damage internally than an person who is not overweight. I am definitely looking at a healthier lifestyle now" I've never seen this about fat enzymes. I know it attachs itself to certain antibodies to then gain access to cells. Certainly obesity will have a negative effect on your immune system. Obese people tend to have low iron and vitamin D production which is invaluable to the immune system. Hig blood pressure, diabetes and a compromised immune system are the highest risks. | |||
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"Perhaps the first thing that has to change is the notion that you can be healthy and obese. but the fact is that you can be. " Genuinely curious do you have some medical sources to back that up? Many of our friends feel the PC brigade has got to the point where it's ok to be yourself, doesn't matter if your clinically obese just own and do you. Dont let the haters call you fat because these days you can be obese and healthy anyway. A doctor friend feels its becoming dangerous to create that level of acceptance of obesity as the norm, especially going as far as labeling it healthy. Me Mr personally am probably a stone over weight at least atm. I walk the dog and I work full time through lockdown. Not getting to the gym 3 times a week and specifically the swimming pool is what's killing me. Many of the woman in my family are obese and most who are have diabetes. The fact that 25% of all covid deaths had diabetes is very telling and surely has to be a wake up call. Alas none of the obese / diabetic women I know are planning to make any lifestyle changes and many have been desperate to get back to Maccy d's and similar. Like the a previous poster said health eating literature, info is everywhere not sure what more can be done. KJ x | |||
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Plus i work in close contact with others and with no PPE | |||
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" Will you support and embrace a new strategy, make changes and become healthier? " Yes, provided that it doesn't involve taxes, Nanny State etc. I don't see why people who do maintain a healthy lifestyle should be penalised. I would support initiatives which make it easier and more accessible for healthy eating and fitness. | |||
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"I dont believe Boris had the virus. I believe he was playing it up and hiding from his responsibility." And 5G created the virus so sad | |||
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"Perhaps the first thing that has to change is the notion that you can be healthy and obese. but the fact is that you can be. Genuinely curious do you have some medical sources to back that up? Many of our friends feel the PC brigade has got to the point where it's ok to be yourself, doesn't matter if your clinically obese just own and do you. Dont let the haters call you fat because these days you can be obese and healthy anyway. A doctor friend feels its becoming dangerous to create that level of acceptance of obesity as the norm, especially going as far as labeling it healthy. Me Mr personally am probably a stone over weight at least atm. I walk the dog and I work full time through lockdown. Not getting to the gym 3 times a week and specifically the swimming pool is what's killing me. Many of the woman in my family are obese and most who are have diabetes. The fact that 25% of all covid deaths had diabetes is very telling and surely has to be a wake up call. Alas none of the obese / diabetic women I know are planning to make any lifestyle changes and many have been desperate to get back to Maccy d's and similar. Like the a previous poster said health eating literature, info is everywhere not sure what more can be done. KJ x " My wife has a under active thyroid. It drives her to tears sometimes. Before lockdown she could gym 5 days a week with me working as hard as me and getting no weight loss at all. She is as fit as me but cant shift the flab but it's a medical condition. She was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 6 year ago but she has reversed that. I see the frustration in her eyes sometimes and it breaks my heart. So you can kind of be over weight and fit. | |||
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" Will you support and embrace a new strategy, make changes and become healthier? Yes, provided that it doesn't involve taxes, Nanny State etc. I don't see why people who do maintain a healthy lifestyle should be penalised. I would support initiatives which make it easier and more accessible for healthy eating and fitness." I am hoping the "much more interventionist" approach will be based on incentivising healthy food and fitness. | |||
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"Yep I’m a week into intermittent fasting and curbing my calories .... losing weight has so many advantages to lowering blood pressure ensuring against diabetes and it’s also the fat which wraps around your internal organs too... and also promoting good health for my Immune system " | |||
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"Perhaps the first thing that has to change is the notion that you can be healthy and obese. but the fact is that you can be. Genuinely curious do you have some medical sources to back that up? Many of our friends feel the PC brigade has got to the point where it's ok to be yourself, doesn't matter if your clinically obese just own and do you. Dont let the haters call you fat because these days you can be obese and healthy anyway. A doctor friend feels its becoming dangerous to create that level of acceptance of obesity as the norm, especially going as far as labeling it healthy. Me Mr personally am probably a stone over weight at least atm. I walk the dog and I work full time through lockdown. Not getting to the gym 3 times a week and specifically the swimming pool is what's killing me. Many of the woman in my family are obese and most who are have diabetes. The fact that 25% of all covid deaths had diabetes is very telling and surely has to be a wake up call. Alas none of the obese / diabetic women I know are planning to make any lifestyle changes and many have been desperate to get back to Maccy d's and similar. Like the a previous poster said health eating literature, info is everywhere not sure what more can be done. KJ x My wife has a under active thyroid. It drives her to tears sometimes. Before lockdown she could gym 5 days a week with me working as hard as me and getting no weight loss at all. She is as fit as me but cant shift the flab but it's a medical condition. She was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 6 year ago but she has reversed that. I see the frustration in her eyes sometimes and it breaks my heart. So you can kind of be over weight and fit. " Hormones have a role to play as well due to falling levels once women get pre menopausal and behind .... so I’m taking natural hormones to replace | |||
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"Perhaps the first thing that has to change is the notion that you can be healthy and obese. but the fact is that you can be. Genuinely curious do you have some medical sources to back that up? Many of our friends feel the PC brigade has got to the point where it's ok to be yourself, doesn't matter if your clinically obese just own and do you. Dont let the haters call you fat because these days you can be obese and healthy anyway. A doctor friend feels its becoming dangerous to create that level of acceptance of obesity as the norm, especially going as far as labeling it healthy. Me Mr personally am probably a stone over weight at least atm. I walk the dog and I work full time through lockdown. Not getting to the gym 3 times a week and specifically the swimming pool is what's killing me. Many of the woman in my family are obese and most who are have diabetes. The fact that 25% of all covid deaths had diabetes is very telling and surely has to be a wake up call. Alas none of the obese / diabetic women I know are planning to make any lifestyle changes and many have been desperate to get back to Maccy d's and similar. Like the a previous poster said health eating literature, info is everywhere not sure what more can be done. KJ x My wife has a under active thyroid. It drives her to tears sometimes. Before lockdown she could gym 5 days a week with me working as hard as me and getting no weight loss at all. She is as fit as me but cant shift the flab but it's a medical condition. She was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 6 year ago but she has reversed that. I see the frustration in her eyes sometimes and it breaks my heart. So you can kind of be over weight and fit. Hormones have a role to play as well due to falling levels once women get pre menopausal and behind .... so I’m taking natural hormones to replace "Which ones? | |||
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"Perhaps the first thing that has to change is the notion that you can be healthy and obese. but the fact is that you can be. Genuinely curious do you have some medical sources to back that up? Many of our friends feel the PC brigade has got to the point where it's ok to be yourself, doesn't matter if your clinically obese just own and do you. Dont let the haters call you fat because these days you can be obese and healthy anyway. A doctor friend feels its becoming dangerous to create that level of acceptance of obesity as the norm, especially going as far as labeling it healthy. Me Mr personally am probably a stone over weight at least atm. I walk the dog and I work full time through lockdown. Not getting to the gym 3 times a week and specifically the swimming pool is what's killing me. Many of the woman in my family are obese and most who are have diabetes. The fact that 25% of all covid deaths had diabetes is very telling and surely has to be a wake up call. Alas none of the obese / diabetic women I know are planning to make any lifestyle changes and many have been desperate to get back to Maccy d's and similar. Like the a previous poster said health eating literature, info is everywhere not sure what more can be done. KJ x My wife has a under active thyroid. It drives her to tears sometimes. Before lockdown she could gym 5 days a week with me working as hard as me and getting no weight loss at all. She is as fit as me but cant shift the flab but it's a medical condition. She was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 6 year ago but she has reversed that. I see the frustration in her eyes sometimes and it breaks my heart. So you can kind of be over weight and fit. " 75mg of Levothyrox daily will sort that out. Works a treat for a friend of mine. | |||
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"Perhaps the first thing that has to change is the notion that you can be healthy and obese. but the fact is that you can be. Genuinely curious do you have some medical sources to back that up? Many of our friends feel the PC brigade has got to the point where it's ok to be yourself, doesn't matter if your clinically obese just own and do you. Dont let the haters call you fat because these days you can be obese and healthy anyway. A doctor friend feels its becoming dangerous to create that level of acceptance of obesity as the norm, especially going as far as labeling it healthy. Me Mr personally am probably a stone over weight at least atm. I walk the dog and I work full time through lockdown. Not getting to the gym 3 times a week and specifically the swimming pool is what's killing me. Many of the woman in my family are obese and most who are have diabetes. The fact that 25% of all covid deaths had diabetes is very telling and surely has to be a wake up call. Alas none of the obese / diabetic women I know are planning to make any lifestyle changes and many have been desperate to get back to Maccy d's and similar. Like the a previous poster said health eating literature, info is everywhere not sure what more can be done. KJ x My wife has a under active thyroid. It drives her to tears sometimes. Before lockdown she could gym 5 days a week with me working as hard as me and getting no weight loss at all. She is as fit as me but cant shift the flab but it's a medical condition. She was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 6 year ago but she has reversed that. I see the frustration in her eyes sometimes and it breaks my heart. So you can kind of be over weight and fit. 75mg of Levothyrox daily will sort that out. Works a treat for a friend of mine." What under active thyroid? | |||
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"Uk and US have highest death rates, we also have the worse diet, makes you think. " Actually that's a very real point to ponder on | |||
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"Perhaps the first thing that has to change is the notion that you can be healthy and obese. but the fact is that you can be. Genuinely curious do you have some medical sources to back that up? Many of our friends feel the PC brigade has got to the point where it's ok to be yourself, doesn't matter if your clinically obese just own and do you. Dont let the haters call you fat because these days you can be obese and healthy anyway. A doctor friend feels its becoming dangerous to create that level of acceptance of obesity as the norm, especially going as far as labeling it healthy. Me Mr personally am probably a stone over weight at least atm. I walk the dog and I work full time through lockdown. Not getting to the gym 3 times a week and specifically the swimming pool is what's killing me. Many of the woman in my family are obese and most who are have diabetes. The fact that 25% of all covid deaths had diabetes is very telling and surely has to be a wake up call. Alas none of the obese / diabetic women I know are planning to make any lifestyle changes and many have been desperate to get back to Maccy d's and similar. Like the a previous poster said health eating literature, info is everywhere not sure what more can be done. KJ x My wife has a under active thyroid. It drives her to tears sometimes. Before lockdown she could gym 5 days a week with me working as hard as me and getting no weight loss at all. She is as fit as me but cant shift the flab but it's a medical condition. She was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 6 year ago but she has reversed that. I see the frustration in her eyes sometimes and it breaks my heart. So you can kind of be over weight and fit. 75mg of Levothyrox daily will sort that out. Works a treat for a friend of mine. What under active thyroid?" Yes | |||
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"Perhaps the first thing that has to change is the notion that you can be healthy and obese. but the fact is that you can be. Genuinely curious do you have some medical sources to back that up? Many of our friends feel the PC brigade has got to the point where it's ok to be yourself, doesn't matter if your clinically obese just own and do you. Dont let the haters call you fat because these days you can be obese and healthy anyway. A doctor friend feels its becoming dangerous to create that level of acceptance of obesity as the norm, especially going as far as labeling it healthy. Me Mr personally am probably a stone over weight at least atm. I walk the dog and I work full time through lockdown. Not getting to the gym 3 times a week and specifically the swimming pool is what's killing me. Many of the woman in my family are obese and most who are have diabetes. The fact that 25% of all covid deaths had diabetes is very telling and surely has to be a wake up call. Alas none of the obese / diabetic women I know are planning to make any lifestyle changes and many have been desperate to get back to Maccy d's and similar. Like the a previous poster said health eating literature, info is everywhere not sure what more can be done. KJ x My wife has a under active thyroid. It drives her to tears sometimes. Before lockdown she could gym 5 days a week with me working as hard as me and getting no weight loss at all. She is as fit as me but cant shift the flab but it's a medical condition. She was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 6 year ago but she has reversed that. I see the frustration in her eyes sometimes and it breaks my heart. So you can kind of be over weight and fit. 75mg of Levothyrox daily will sort that out. Works a treat for a friend of mine." that's T4 That's here medication. I got some T3 for her and that worked a little but it's so expensive and her GP wont prescribe her with it. | |||
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"Couldn't believe the queue trying to get into the KFC yesterday! The last say of the Macs in town, led to traffic queues of a mile long. Can people really not do without this stuff? " Probably because people haven’t had any fast food in a while and want something to do. Don’t judge them too harshly. | |||
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"I'm morbidly obese. I've been trying to lose weight for 35 years. Never shifted anything significant. I'd love to know what solutions Boris has in mind to help the nation lose weight. " Calorie deficit are your key words here. | |||
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"I'm morbidly obese. I've been trying to lose weight for 35 years. Never shifted anything significant. I'd love to know what solutions Boris has in mind to help the nation lose weight. Calorie deficit are your key words here." if only it were ever that easy. To many people forget or choose to ignore the psychology behind weight loss and of controlling eating | |||
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"It would appear that the time the PM spent in hospital fighting covid19 has strengthened his resolve to tackle obesity in the country. He is preparing a "much more interventionist" approach to tackling the issue, and is drawing up a new strategy. He is said to be convinced that the reason he needed treatment in ICU was due to his 17 and half stone weight. Will you support and embrace a new strategy, make changes and become healthier? " A lot of people start with the same aim every January 1st but history proves the vast majority go back to their old habits at some point. I've seen someone with cancer caused by smoking stood outside the hospital smoking and a friends dad was hospitalised through being overweight and he still begged him to take him to fatty d's on taking him home (it wasn't the salad and carrot sticks he wanted) | |||
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"Having lived and played in France for the last five years we've noticed the difference in body size compared to the UK particularly in the 50 plus age range. The French do eat McDonalds, pizzas and other fast food but the difference is how they eat, taking their time, always at a table and taking 1-2 hour lunch breaks. The benefits are normal size (BMI ratio) and a generally healthier population." That was one thing I noticed when I went to Paris before Christmas to watch the rugby, very few overweight people. Then again, nearly everyone seemed to smoke   | |||
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"It would appear that the time the PM spent in hospital fighting covid19 has strengthened his resolve to tackle obesity in the country. He is preparing a "much more interventionist" approach to tackling the issue, and is drawing up a new strategy. He is said to be convinced that the reason he needed treatment in ICU was due to his 17 and half stone weight. Will you support and embrace a new strategy, make changes and become healthier? A lot of people start with the same aim every January 1st but history proves the vast majority go back to their old habits at some point. I've seen someone with cancer caused by smoking stood outside the hospital smoking and a friends dad was hospitalised through being overweight and he still begged him to take him to fatty d's on taking him home (it wasn't the salad and carrot sticks he wanted)" He does seem very determined, even mentioned him being "obsessed" with this message.  | |||
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"It would appear that the time the PM spent in hospital fighting covid19 has strengthened his resolve to tackle obesity in the country. He is preparing a "much more interventionist" approach to tackling the issue, and is drawing up a new strategy. He is said to be convinced that the reason he needed treatment in ICU was due to his 17 and half stone weight. Will you support and embrace a new strategy, make changes and become healthier? A lot of people start with the same aim every January 1st but history proves the vast majority go back to their old habits at some point. I've seen someone with cancer caused by smoking stood outside the hospital smoking and a friends dad was hospitalised through being overweight and he still begged him to take him to fatty d's on taking him home (it wasn't the salad and carrot sticks he wanted) He does seem very determined, even mentioned him being "obsessed" with this message. "Problem is that even more people are obsessed with eating and drinking unhealthily. It doesn't help when you can buy 6 bags of crisps for £1 and 6 apples cost more. Maybe this will shake people up but I doubt it. | |||
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"It would appear that the time the PM spent in hospital fighting covid19 has strengthened his resolve to tackle obesity in the country. He is preparing a "much more interventionist" approach to tackling the issue, and is drawing up a new strategy. He is said to be convinced that the reason he needed treatment in ICU was due to his 17 and half stone weight. Will you support and embrace a new strategy, make changes and become healthier? A lot of people start with the same aim every January 1st but history proves the vast majority go back to their old habits at some point. I've seen someone with cancer caused by smoking stood outside the hospital smoking and a friends dad was hospitalised through being overweight and he still begged him to take him to fatty d's on taking him home (it wasn't the salad and carrot sticks he wanted) He does seem very determined, even mentioned him being "obsessed" with this message.
Problem is that even more people are obsessed with eating and drinking unhealthily.
It doesn't help when you can buy 6 bags of crisps for £1 and 6 apples cost more.
Maybe this will shake people up but I doubt it. "The people it should shake up are the companies that put far too much sugar in our food. We don’t need it, we don’t ask for it and it’s largely hidden. That is the thing that needs to change. | |||
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"As long as the support doesn’t just involve a diet sheet and told to follow it then no problem. People don’t seem want to address the psychological reasons for lifestyle choices. It’s about far more than food. " Exactly this | |||
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"As long as the support doesn’t just involve a diet sheet and told to follow it then no problem. People don’t seem want to address the psychological reasons for lifestyle choices. It’s about far more than food. Exactly this "Indeed. | |||
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"Perhaps the first thing that has to change is the notion that you can be healthy and obese. but the fact is that you can be. Genuinely curious do you have some medical sources to back that up? Many of our friends feel the PC brigade has got to the point where it's ok to be yourself, doesn't matter if your clinically obese just own and do you. Dont let the haters call you fat because these days you can be obese and healthy anyway. A doctor friend feels its becoming dangerous to create that level of acceptance of obesity as the norm, especially going as far as labeling it healthy. Me Mr personally am probably a stone over weight at least atm. I walk the dog and I work full time through lockdown. Not getting to the gym 3 times a week and specifically the swimming pool is what's killing me. Many of the woman in my family are obese and most who are have diabetes. The fact that 25% of all covid deaths had diabetes is very telling and surely has to be a wake up call. Alas none of the obese / diabetic women I know are planning to make any lifestyle changes and many have been desperate to get back to Maccy d's and similar. Like the a previous poster said health eating literature, info is everywhere not sure what more can be done. KJ x My wife has a under active thyroid. It drives her to tears sometimes. Before lockdown she could gym 5 days a week with me working as hard as me and getting no weight loss at all. She is as fit as me but cant shift the flab but it's a medical condition. She was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 6 year ago but she has reversed that. I see the frustration in her eyes sometimes and it breaks my heart. So you can kind of be over weight and fit. 75mg of Levothyrox daily will sort that out. Works a treat for a friend of mine." No it won't. I hace an underactivd thyroid and take 100 mg and 75 mg on alternate days. That's the dose I personally need to keepy thyroid function level. Giving somebody the same dose as someone else is dangerous because it could be too much or not enough. | |||
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"Perhaps the first thing that has to change is the notion that you can be healthy and obese. but the fact is that you can be. Genuinely curious do you have some medical sources to back that up? Many of our friends feel the PC brigade has got to the point where it's ok to be yourself, doesn't matter if your clinically obese just own and do you. Dont let the haters call you fat because these days you can be obese and healthy anyway. A doctor friend feels its becoming dangerous to create that level of acceptance of obesity as the norm, especially going as far as labeling it healthy. Me Mr personally am probably a stone over weight at least atm. I walk the dog and I work full time through lockdown. Not getting to the gym 3 times a week and specifically the swimming pool is what's killing me. Many of the woman in my family are obese and most who are have diabetes. The fact that 25% of all covid deaths had diabetes is very telling and surely has to be a wake up call. Alas none of the obese / diabetic women I know are planning to make any lifestyle changes and many have been desperate to get back to Maccy d's and similar. Like the a previous poster said health eating literature, info is everywhere not sure what more can be done. KJ x My wife has a under active thyroid. It drives her to tears sometimes. Before lockdown she could gym 5 days a week with me working as hard as me and getting no weight loss at all. She is as fit as me but cant shift the flab but it's a medical condition. She was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 6 year ago but she has reversed that. I see the frustration in her eyes sometimes and it breaks my heart. So you can kind of be over weight and fit. " Has she seen a clinician? If she's not losing weight and eating correctly and exercising her thyroid function needs checking by someone other than a gp. | |||
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"Perhaps the first thing that has to change is the notion that you can be healthy and obese. but the fact is that you can be. Genuinely curious do you have some medical sources to back that up? Many of our friends feel the PC brigade has got to the point where it's ok to be yourself, doesn't matter if your clinically obese just own and do you. Dont let the haters call you fat because these days you can be obese and healthy anyway. A doctor friend feels its becoming dangerous to create that level of acceptance of obesity as the norm, especially going as far as labeling it healthy. Me Mr personally am probably a stone over weight at least atm. I walk the dog and I work full time through lockdown. Not getting to the gym 3 times a week and specifically the swimming pool is what's killing me. Many of the woman in my family are obese and most who are have diabetes. The fact that 25% of all covid deaths had diabetes is very telling and surely has to be a wake up call. Alas none of the obese / diabetic women I know are planning to make any lifestyle changes and many have been desperate to get back to Maccy d's and similar. Like the a previous poster said health eating literature, info is everywhere not sure what more can be done. KJ x My wife has a under active thyroid. It drives her to tears sometimes. Before lockdown she could gym 5 days a week with me working as hard as me and getting no weight loss at all. She is as fit as me but cant shift the flab but it's a medical condition. She was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 6 year ago but she has reversed that. I see the frustration in her eyes sometimes and it breaks my heart. So you can kind of be over weight and fit. Has she seen a clinician? If she's not losing weight and eating correctly and exercising her thyroid function needs checking by someone other than a gp." How would you go about doing that . Through the GP ? | |||
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"Overweight people have more fat cells that which produce an enzyme that coronavirus can easily attach to, so it can take a hold more quickly and do more damage internally than an person who is not overweight. I am definitely looking at a healthier lifestyle now" well done good for you..  | |||
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"I see Diabetes accounts for a large percentage as well. Although the two may go hand in hand. Covid 19 has made me reevaluate my diet and training. I have upped the sups, Superfoods and vegetable intakes. I try and do more cardio as well. Type 2 diabetes and obesity do go hand in hand. Hopefully this virus will force people to take a look at what they eat and how little they exercise. It is soooooooooooooo much more complex than a calorie intake, calorie expenditure formula. " i dont think the science of it is anymore complicated than that at all thats not to say there are not psychological factors, and some people have other issues that result in them burning less , but really it is calories in vs calories out (admitted by someone who's calories in definitely not currently in a deficit) | |||
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"As long as the support doesn’t just involve a diet sheet and told to follow it then no problem. People don’t seem want to address the psychological reasons for lifestyle choices. It’s about far more than food. " i think part of it is about education too, there are psychological reasons for many yes, but for many others they grew up in a home where they just were not taught to cook , if your mum stuck chicken dippers ij the oven or phoned a takeaway your whole life its not easy breaking those habits when you move out schools seem to have moved completely into how to pass exams mode, and life skills like how to budget, how to plan and cook healthy meals, how to wash clothes and basic sewing for mending things ... all out the window over the years but all things that really you should know how to do by the time you leave school and not everyone has the home environment where they can learn it | |||
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"Overweight people have more fat cells that which produce an enzyme that coronavirus can easily attach to, so it can take a hold more quickly and do more damage internally than an person who is not overweight. I am definitely looking at a healthier lifestyle now I've never seen this about fat enzymes. I know it attachs itself to certain antibodies to then gain access to cells. Certainly obesity will have a negative effect on your immune system. Obese people tend to have low iron and vitamin D production which is invaluable to the immune system. Hig blood pressure, diabetes and a compromised immune system are the highest risks. " No it attaches to receptors. | |||
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"Perhaps the first thing that has to change is the notion that you can be healthy and obese. but the fact is that you can be. Genuinely curious do you have some medical sources to back that up? Many of our friends feel the PC brigade has got to the point where it's ok to be yourself, doesn't matter if your clinically obese just own and do you. Dont let the haters call you fat because these days you can be obese and healthy anyway. A doctor friend feels its becoming dangerous to create that level of acceptance of obesity as the norm, especially going as far as labeling it healthy. Me Mr personally am probably a stone over weight at least atm. I walk the dog and I work full time through lockdown. Not getting to the gym 3 times a week and specifically the swimming pool is what's killing me. Many of the woman in my family are obese and most who are have diabetes. The fact that 25% of all covid deaths had diabetes is very telling and surely has to be a wake up call. Alas none of the obese / diabetic women I know are planning to make any lifestyle changes and many have been desperate to get back to Maccy d's and similar. Like the a previous poster said health eating literature, info is everywhere not sure what more can be done. KJ x My wife has a under active thyroid. It drives her to tears sometimes. Before lockdown she could gym 5 days a week with me working as hard as me and getting no weight loss at all. She is as fit as me but cant shift the flab but it's a medical condition. She was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 6 year ago but she has reversed that. I see the frustration in her eyes sometimes and it breaks my heart. So you can kind of be over weight and fit. 75mg of Levothyrox daily will sort that out. Works a treat for a friend of mine. What under active thyroid?" If she has been diagnosed with hypothyroidism via blood tests I'm sure the GP will have prescribed thyroxine meds. | |||
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"I see Diabetes accounts for a large percentage as well. Although the two may go hand in hand. Covid 19 has made me reevaluate my diet and training. I have upped the sups, Superfoods and vegetable intakes. I try and do more cardio as well. Type 2 diabetes and obesity do go hand in hand. Hopefully this virus will force people to take a look at what they eat and how little they exercise. It is soooooooooooooo much more complex than a calorie intake, calorie expenditure formula. i dont think the science of it is anymore complicated than that at all thats not to say there are not psychological factors, and some people have other issues that result in them burning less , but really it is calories in vs calories out (admitted by someone who's calories in definitely not currently in a deficit) " It really isn't. Environment, psychology of eating/relationship with food. Hormones, medications, metabolism, genes. Nutritional value of calories. Digestion. Gut microbes. Age. Personal limit of storage of fat in adipose tissue before accumulation begins in /and around organs. Mental health. | |||
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"Perhaps the first thing that has to change is the notion that you can be healthy and obese. but the fact is that you can be. Genuinely curious do you have some medical sources to back that up? Many of our friends feel the PC brigade has got to the point where it's ok to be yourself, doesn't matter if your clinically obese just own and do you. Dont let the haters call you fat because these days you can be obese and healthy anyway. A doctor friend feels its becoming dangerous to create that level of acceptance of obesity as the norm, especially going as far as labeling it healthy. Me Mr personally am probably a stone over weight at least atm. I walk the dog and I work full time through lockdown. Not getting to the gym 3 times a week and specifically the swimming pool is what's killing me. Many of the woman in my family are obese and most who are have diabetes. The fact that 25% of all covid deaths had diabetes is very telling and surely has to be a wake up call. Alas none of the obese / diabetic women I know are planning to make any lifestyle changes and many have been desperate to get back to Maccy d's and similar. Like the a previous poster said health eating literature, info is everywhere not sure what more can be done. KJ x My wife has a under active thyroid. It drives her to tears sometimes. Before lockdown she could gym 5 days a week with me working as hard as me and getting no weight loss at all. She is as fit as me but cant shift the flab but it's a medical condition. She was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 6 year ago but she has reversed that. I see the frustration in her eyes sometimes and it breaks my heart. So you can kind of be over weight and fit. 75mg of Levothyrox daily will sort that out. Works a treat for a friend of mine. What under active thyroid? If she has been diagnosed with hypothyroidism via blood tests I'm sure the GP will have prescribed thyroxine meds. " Yes 40mg per day . It helps with not putting on weight but whatever she does it wont come off She has been back to the GP about it and he says that's her safe level. | |||
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"Perhaps the first thing that has to change is the notion that you can be healthy and obese. but the fact is that you can be. Genuinely curious do you have some medical sources to back that up? Many of our friends feel the PC brigade has got to the point where it's ok to be yourself, doesn't matter if your clinically obese just own and do you. Dont let the haters call you fat because these days you can be obese and healthy anyway. A doctor friend feels its becoming dangerous to create that level of acceptance of obesity as the norm, especially going as far as labeling it healthy. Me Mr personally am probably a stone over weight at least atm. I walk the dog and I work full time through lockdown. Not getting to the gym 3 times a week and specifically the swimming pool is what's killing me. Many of the woman in my family are obese and most who are have diabetes. The fact that 25% of all covid deaths had diabetes is very telling and surely has to be a wake up call. Alas none of the obese / diabetic women I know are planning to make any lifestyle changes and many have been desperate to get back to Maccy d's and similar. Like the a previous poster said health eating literature, info is everywhere not sure what more can be done. KJ x My wife has a under active thyroid. It drives her to tears sometimes. Before lockdown she could gym 5 days a week with me working as hard as me and getting no weight loss at all. She is as fit as me but cant shift the flab but it's a medical condition. She was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 6 year ago but she has reversed that. I see the frustration in her eyes sometimes and it breaks my heart. So you can kind of be over weight and fit. 75mg of Levothyrox daily will sort that out. Works a treat for a friend of mine. What under active thyroid? If she has been diagnosed with hypothyroidism via blood tests I'm sure the GP will have prescribed thyroxine meds. Yes 40mg per day . It helps with not putting on weight but whatever she does it wont come off She has been back to the GP about it and he says that's her safe level. " If she's not convinced, she can get another opinion. But if it's guided by her blood results, then another GP is likely to say the same thing. Perhaps do some research through NICE guidelines. You can google this. | |||
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"Perhaps the first thing that has to change is the notion that you can be healthy and obese. but the fact is that you can be. Genuinely curious do you have some medical sources to back that up? Many of our friends feel the PC brigade has got to the point where it's ok to be yourself, doesn't matter if your clinically obese just own and do you. Dont let the haters call you fat because these days you can be obese and healthy anyway. A doctor friend feels its becoming dangerous to create that level of acceptance of obesity as the norm, especially going as far as labeling it healthy. Me Mr personally am probably a stone over weight at least atm. I walk the dog and I work full time through lockdown. Not getting to the gym 3 times a week and specifically the swimming pool is what's killing me. Many of the woman in my family are obese and most who are have diabetes. The fact that 25% of all covid deaths had diabetes is very telling and surely has to be a wake up call. Alas none of the obese / diabetic women I know are planning to make any lifestyle changes and many have been desperate to get back to Maccy d's and similar. Like the a previous poster said health eating literature, info is everywhere not sure what more can be done. KJ x My wife has a under active thyroid. It drives her to tears sometimes. Before lockdown she could gym 5 days a week with me working as hard as me and getting no weight loss at all. She is as fit as me but cant shift the flab but it's a medical condition. She was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 6 year ago but she has reversed that. I see the frustration in her eyes sometimes and it breaks my heart. So you can kind of be over weight and fit. 75mg of Levothyrox daily will sort that out. Works a treat for a friend of mine. What under active thyroid? If she has been diagnosed with hypothyroidism via blood tests I'm sure the GP will have prescribed thyroxine meds. Yes 40mg per day . It helps with not putting on weight but whatever she does it wont come off She has been back to the GP about it and he says that's her safe level. If she's not convinced, she can get another opinion. But if it's guided by her blood results, then another GP is likely to say the same thing. Perhaps do some research through NICE guidelines. You can google this. " Ok thanks . | |||
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"I see Diabetes accounts for a large percentage as well. Although the two may go hand in hand. Covid 19 has made me reevaluate my diet and training. I have upped the sups, Superfoods and vegetable intakes. I try and do more cardio as well. Type 2 diabetes and obesity do go hand in hand. Hopefully this virus will force people to take a look at what they eat and how little they exercise. It is soooooooooooooo much more complex than a calorie intake, calorie expenditure formula. i dont think the science of it is anymore complicated than that at all thats not to say there are not psychological factors, and some people have other issues that result in them burning less , but really it is calories in vs calories out (admitted by someone who's calories in definitely not currently in a deficit) It really isn't. Environment, psychology of eating/relationship with food. Hormones, medications, metabolism, genes. Nutritional value of calories. Digestion. Gut microbes. Age. Personal limit of storage of fat in adipose tissue before accumulation begins in /and around organs. Mental health. " those elements might make it more difficult for you to balance the required calories in vs calories out requirement ... but they don’t change the facts of science | |||
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"I see Diabetes accounts for a large percentage as well. Although the two may go hand in hand. Covid 19 has made me reevaluate my diet and training. I have upped the sups, Superfoods and vegetable intakes. I try and do more cardio as well. Type 2 diabetes and obesity do go hand in hand. Hopefully this virus will force people to take a look at what they eat and how little they exercise. It is soooooooooooooo much more complex than a calorie intake, calorie expenditure formula. i dont think the science of it is anymore complicated than that at all thats not to say there are not psychological factors, and some people have other issues that result in them burning less , but really it is calories in vs calories out (admitted by someone who's calories in definitely not currently in a deficit) It really isn't. Environment, psychology of eating/relationship with food. Hormones, medications, metabolism, genes. Nutritional value of calories. Digestion. Gut microbes. Age. Personal limit of storage of fat in adipose tissue before accumulation begins in /and around organs. Mental health. those elements might make it more difficult for you to balance the required calories in vs calories out requirement ... but they don’t change the facts of science " The rate at which you burn calories is part of that science. | |||
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"I see Diabetes accounts for a large percentage as well. Although the two may go hand in hand. Covid 19 has made me reevaluate my diet and training. I have upped the sups, Superfoods and vegetable intakes. I try and do more cardio as well. Type 2 diabetes and obesity do go hand in hand. Hopefully this virus will force people to take a look at what they eat and how little they exercise. It is soooooooooooooo much more complex than a calorie intake, calorie expenditure formula. i dont think the science of it is anymore complicated than that at all thats not to say there are not psychological factors, and some people have other issues that result in them burning less , but really it is calories in vs calories out (admitted by someone who's calories in definitely not currently in a deficit) It really isn't. Environment, psychology of eating/relationship with food. Hormones, medications, metabolism, genes. Nutritional value of calories. Digestion. Gut microbes. Age. Personal limit of storage of fat in adipose tissue before accumulation begins in /and around organs. Mental health. those elements might make it more difficult for you to balance the required calories in vs calories out requirement ... but they don’t change the facts of science The rate at which you burn calories is part of that science. " yep so that make the calories out part of the calculation different, still doesn’t change the overall formula that calories in need to be less than calories out some people need additional help with the calories in, some need help or an alternative calculation of the calories out ... but the principal never changes | |||
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"Couldn't believe the queue trying to get into the KFC yesterday! The last say of the Macs in town, led to traffic queues of a mile long. Can people really not do without this stuff? I queued for an hour for kfc. " Why! | |||
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"Perhaps the first thing that has to change is the notion that you can be healthy and obese. but the fact is that you can be. Genuinely curious do you have some medical sources to back that up? Many of our friends feel the PC brigade has got to the point where it's ok to be yourself, doesn't matter if your clinically obese just own and do you. Dont let the haters call you fat because these days you can be obese and healthy anyway. A doctor friend feels its becoming dangerous to create that level of acceptance of obesity as the norm, especially going as far as labeling it healthy. Me Mr personally am probably a stone over weight at least atm. I walk the dog and I work full time through lockdown. Not getting to the gym 3 times a week and specifically the swimming pool is what's killing me. Many of the woman in my family are obese and most who are have diabetes. The fact that 25% of all covid deaths had diabetes is very telling and surely has to be a wake up call. Alas none of the obese / diabetic women I know are planning to make any lifestyle changes and many have been desperate to get back to Maccy d's and similar. Like the a previous poster said health eating literature, info is everywhere not sure what more can be done. KJ x My wife has a under active thyroid. It drives her to tears sometimes. Before lockdown she could gym 5 days a week with me working as hard as me and getting no weight loss at all. She is as fit as me but cant shift the flab but it's a medical condition. She was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 6 year ago but she has reversed that. I see the frustration in her eyes sometimes and it breaks my heart. So you can kind of be over weight and fit. 75mg of Levothyrox daily will sort that out. Works a treat for a friend of mine. What under active thyroid? If she has been diagnosed with hypothyroidism via blood tests I'm sure the GP will have prescribed thyroxine meds. Yes 40mg per day . It helps with not putting on weight but whatever she does it wont come off She has been back to the GP about it and he says that's her safe level. " I am in that situation and I have been since I was diagnosed 18 years ago. I can’t explain how frustrating and upsetting it is when you try to lose weight and can’t. The worst bit is when you know professionals look at you and don’t believe you’re doing it right and everyone else looks at you like you must be an overeating lazy person. Something else to throw into the mix is the menopause- I’m convinced you could live on lettuce leaves and still put weight on! Hormones are buggers | |||
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"Perhaps the first thing that has to change is the notion that you can be healthy and obese. but the fact is that you can be. Genuinely curious do you have some medical sources to back that up? Many of our friends feel the PC brigade has got to the point where it's ok to be yourself, doesn't matter if your clinically obese just own and do you. Dont let the haters call you fat because these days you can be obese and healthy anyway. A doctor friend feels its becoming dangerous to create that level of acceptance of obesity as the norm, especially going as far as labeling it healthy. Me Mr personally am probably a stone over weight at least atm. I walk the dog and I work full time through lockdown. Not getting to the gym 3 times a week and specifically the swimming pool is what's killing me. Many of the woman in my family are obese and most who are have diabetes. The fact that 25% of all covid deaths had diabetes is very telling and surely has to be a wake up call. Alas none of the obese / diabetic women I know are planning to make any lifestyle changes and many have been desperate to get back to Maccy d's and similar. Like the a previous poster said health eating literature, info is everywhere not sure what more can be done. KJ x My wife has a under active thyroid. It drives her to tears sometimes. Before lockdown she could gym 5 days a week with me working as hard as me and getting no weight loss at all. She is as fit as me but cant shift the flab but it's a medical condition. She was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 6 year ago but she has reversed that. I see the frustration in her eyes sometimes and it breaks my heart. So you can kind of be over weight and fit. 75mg of Levothyrox daily will sort that out. Works a treat for a friend of mine. What under active thyroid? If she has been diagnosed with hypothyroidism via blood tests I'm sure the GP will have prescribed thyroxine meds. Yes 40mg per day . It helps with not putting on weight but whatever she does it wont come off She has been back to the GP about it and he says that's her safe level. I am in that situation and I have been since I was diagnosed 18 years ago. I can’t explain how frustrating and upsetting it is when you try to lose weight and can’t. The worst bit is when you know professionals look at you and don’t believe you’re doing it right and everyone else looks at you like you must be an overeating lazy person. Something else to throw into the mix is the menopause- I’m convinced you could live on lettuce leaves and still put weight on! Hormones are buggers "Yes I see the frustration in her eyes when she has had a good week at the gym . She goes on the scales and no change. | |||
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"the weight saga goes on and on, did you see the film clips of VE day? No fat people! "Proper food | |||
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"Perhaps the first thing that has to change is the notion that you can be healthy and obese. but the fact is that you can be. Genuinely curious do you have some medical sources to back that up? Many of our friends feel the PC brigade has got to the point where it's ok to be yourself, doesn't matter if your clinically obese just own and do you. Dont let the haters call you fat because these days you can be obese and healthy anyway. A doctor friend feels its becoming dangerous to create that level of acceptance of obesity as the norm, especially going as far as labeling it healthy. Me Mr personally am probably a stone over weight at least atm. I walk the dog and I work full time through lockdown. Not getting to the gym 3 times a week and specifically the swimming pool is what's killing me. Many of the woman in my family are obese and most who are have diabetes. The fact that 25% of all covid deaths had diabetes is very telling and surely has to be a wake up call. Alas none of the obese / diabetic women I know are planning to make any lifestyle changes and many have been desperate to get back to Maccy d's and similar. Like the a previous poster said health eating literature, info is everywhere not sure what more can be done. KJ x My wife has a under active thyroid. It drives her to tears sometimes. Before lockdown she could gym 5 days a week with me working as hard as me and getting no weight loss at all. She is as fit as me but cant shift the flab but it's a medical condition. She was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 6 year ago but she has reversed that. I see the frustration in her eyes sometimes and it breaks my heart. So you can kind of be over weight and fit. 75mg of Levothyrox daily will sort that out. Works a treat for a friend of mine. What under active thyroid? If she has been diagnosed with hypothyroidism via blood tests I'm sure the GP will have prescribed thyroxine meds. Yes 40mg per day . It helps with not putting on weight but whatever she does it wont come off She has been back to the GP about it and he says that's her safe level. I am in that situation and I have been since I was diagnosed 18 years ago. I can’t explain how frustrating and upsetting it is when you try to lose weight and can’t. The worst bit is when you know professionals look at you and don’t believe you’re doing it right and everyone else looks at you like you must be an overeating lazy person. Something else to throw into the mix is the menopause- I’m convinced you could live on lettuce leaves and still put weight on! Hormones are buggers "Some professionals do not understand that the cause of obesity is multifactorial. There are others who understand. Unfortunately many people (patients) perceive judgement via professionals when in fact it doesn't exist. It's projection. | |||
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"Some professionals do not understand that the cause of obesity is multifactorial. There are others who understand. Unfortunately many people (patients) perceive judgement via professionals when in fact it doesn't exist. It's projection. " The cause of obesity is eating too much. The reasons for eating to much are multifactorial. | |||
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"the weight saga goes on and on, did you see the film clips of VE day? No fat people!
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"the weight saga goes on and on, did you see the film clips of VE day? No fat people!
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"Couldn't believe the queue trying to get into the KFC yesterday! The last say of the Macs in town, led to traffic queues of a mile long. Can people really not do without this stuff? " So,only fat people like KFC ? Give your head a wobble  | |||
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"Some professionals do not understand that the cause of obesity is multifactorial. There are others who understand. Unfortunately many people (patients) perceive judgement via professionals when in fact it doesn't exist. It's projection. The cause of obesity is eating too much. The reasons for eating to much are multifactorial." Eating too much CAN be a factor. | |||
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"Couldn't believe the queue trying to get into the KFC yesterday! The last say of the Macs in town, led to traffic queues of a mile long. Can people really not do without this stuff? " I can, the last one I had was about 20+ years ago and it gave me food poisoning, think it was a twizzler, put me off the junk for life, yak | |||
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"I dont believe Boris had the virus. I believe he was playing it up and hiding from his responsibility." Forever after to be known as the Boris flu Like the man flu bit for wimps | |||
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"Some professionals do not understand that the cause of obesity is multifactorial. There are others who understand. Unfortunately many people (patients) perceive judgement via professionals when in fact it doesn't exist. It's projection. The cause of obesity is eating too much. The reasons for eating to much are multifactorial. Eating too much CAN be a factor. " If you eat nothing you will end up like Karen Carpenter on a diet, if you eat too much you will put on weight. There is a point between those two extremes where your weight will be stable. | |||
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"Some professionals do not understand that the cause of obesity is multifactorial. There are others who understand. Unfortunately many people (patients) perceive judgement via professionals when in fact it doesn't exist. It's projection. The cause of obesity is eating too much. The reasons for eating to much are multifactorial. Eating too much CAN be a factor. If you eat nothing you will end up like Karen Carpenter on a diet, if you eat too much you will put on weight. There is a point between those two extremes where your weight will be stable." Thanks for your expert advice but I'll stick to what I know and whatever increase in knowledge my dissertation gives me. | |||
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"Some professionals do not understand that the cause of obesity is multifactorial. There are others who understand. Unfortunately many people (patients) perceive judgement via professionals when in fact it doesn't exist. It's projection. The cause of obesity is eating too much. The reasons for eating to much are multifactorial."
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"Some professionals do not understand that the cause of obesity is multifactorial. There are others who understand. Unfortunately many people (patients) perceive judgement via professionals when in fact it doesn't exist. It's projection. The cause of obesity is eating too much. The reasons for eating to much are multifactorial. Eating too much CAN be a factor. If you eat nothing you will end up like Karen Carpenter on a diet, if you eat too much you will put on weight. There is a point between those two extremes where your weight will be stable." Weight gain can be a side effect of drugs, and there are a range of medical conditions that affect a person's weight and ability to regulate it healthily. I think everyone knows this though, and just pretend otherwise for some reason. | |||
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"Some professionals do not understand that the cause of obesity is multifactorial. There are others who understand. Unfortunately many people (patients) perceive judgement via professionals when in fact it doesn't exist. It's projection. The cause of obesity is eating too much. The reasons for eating to much are multifactorial. Eating too much CAN be a factor. If you eat nothing you will end up like Karen Carpenter on a diet, if you eat too much you will put on weight. There is a point between those two extremes where your weight will be stable. Weight gain can be a side effect of drugs, and there are a range of medical conditions that affect a person's weight and ability to regulate it healthily. I think everyone knows this though, and just pretend otherwise for some reason. " that was acknowledged when he said the reasons for eating too much is multifactoral | |||
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"Some professionals do not understand that the cause of obesity is multifactorial. There are others who understand. Unfortunately many people (patients) perceive judgement via professionals when in fact it doesn't exist. It's projection. The cause of obesity is eating too much. The reasons for eating to much are multifactorial. Eating too much CAN be a factor. If you eat nothing you will end up like Karen Carpenter on a diet, if you eat too much you will put on weight. There is a point between those two extremes where your weight will be stable. Weight gain can be a side effect of drugs, and there are a range of medical conditions that affect a person's weight and ability to regulate it healthily. I think everyone knows this though, and just pretend otherwise for some reason. that was acknowledged when he said the reasons for eating too much is multifactoral" Only if the poster had stated the person ate more due to drugs/medical conditions, but the poster didn't. | |||
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"Its always a good excuse to target the obese when health things come up , but I know I wont be popular after this statement but have you ever notice how obese some of the health workers are Nurses Doctors ect , so I think they should get there own house in order first and then once thats done it may give the rest of us some encouragment ,but its always the same do as I say not do as I do " i’m actually not trying to bash obese people, i already posted higher up that i think a lack of education plays a large part too (and that i am definitely not running a calorie deficit just now either) i just dont think its right to deny the science of it in order to make people feel better about other factors that might be at play reminding people of the cold facts is not the same as bashing or shaming them | |||
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"Its always a good excuse to target the obese when health things come up , but I know I wont be popular after this statement but have you ever notice how obese some of the health workers are Nurses Doctors ect , so I think they should get there own house in order first and then once thats done it may give the rest of us some encouragment ,but its always the same do as I say not do as I do i’m actually not trying to bash obese people, i already posted higher up that i think a lack of education plays a large part too (and that i am definitely not running a calorie deficit just now either) i just dont think its right to deny the science of it in order to make people feel better about other factors that might be at play reminding people of the cold facts is not the same as bashing or shaming them " No I was not saying any thing about comments on here every one has there own voice, Just Bumbling Boris as if he has not got enough on his plate with this | |||
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"I see Diabetes accounts for a large percentage as well. Although the two may go hand in hand. Covid 19 has made me reevaluate my diet and training. I have upped the sups, Superfoods and vegetable intakes. I try and do more cardio as well. Type 2 diabetes and obesity do go hand in hand. Hopefully this virus will force people to take a look at what they eat and how little they exercise. It is soooooooooooooo much more complex than a calorie intake, calorie expenditure formula. "
It astounds me that the obesity issue is seen as a simple matter still, after so many years of education about it.
As the same person promoting the new campaign, Johnson, is the one who spent 10 years cutting local government and health services, I'm not expecting him to be wanting to invest according to scientific guidelines and to more adequately resource health teams, to be better able to tackle this complex problem, where physical, psychological and social health factors need to be addressed. | |||
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"Perhaps the first thing that has to change is the notion that you can be healthy and obese. but the fact is that you can be. Genuinely curious do you have some medical sources to back that up? Many of our friends feel the PC brigade has got to the point where it's ok to be yourself, doesn't matter if your clinically obese just own and do you. Dont let the haters call you fat because these days you can be obese and healthy anyway. A doctor friend feels its becoming dangerous to create that level of acceptance of obesity as the norm, especially going as far as labeling it healthy. Me Mr personally am probably a stone over weight at least atm. I walk the dog and I work full time through lockdown. Not getting to the gym 3 times a week and specifically the swimming pool is what's killing me. Many of the woman in my family are obese and most who are have diabetes. The fact that 25% of all covid deaths had diabetes is very telling and surely has to be a wake up call. Alas none of the obese / diabetic women I know are planning to make any lifestyle changes and many have been desperate to get back to Maccy d's and similar. Like the a previous poster said health eating literature, info is everywhere not sure what more can be done. KJ x My wife has a under active thyroid. It drives her to tears sometimes. Before lockdown she could gym 5 days a week with me working as hard as me and getting no weight loss at all. She is as fit as me but cant shift the flab but it's a medical condition. She was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 6 year ago but she has reversed that. I see the frustration in her eyes sometimes and it breaks my heart. So you can kind of be over weight and fit. 75mg of Levothyrox daily will sort that out. Works a treat for a friend of mine. What under active thyroid? If she has been diagnosed with hypothyroidism via blood tests I'm sure the GP will have prescribed thyroxine meds. Yes 40mg per day . It helps with not putting on weight but whatever she does it wont come off She has been back to the GP about it and he says that's her safe level. I am in that situation and I have been since I was diagnosed 18 years ago. I can’t explain how frustrating and upsetting it is when you try to lose weight and can’t. The worst bit is when you know professionals look at you and don’t believe you’re doing it right and everyone else looks at you like you must be an overeating lazy person. Something else to throw into the mix is the menopause- I’m convinced you could live on lettuce leaves and still put weight on! Hormones are buggers
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"As long as the support doesn’t just involve a diet sheet and told to follow it then no problem. People don’t seem want to address the psychological reasons for lifestyle choices. It’s about far more than food. " I totally agree xx | |||
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"Multifactorial or not, everyone who is obese CAN lose weight - if they seriously want to put in the effort. And it will be a big effort for sure, but it CAN be done. It is ultimately an act of willpower. Don't believe those who say it's not possible for them. And as for those stupid types who say they are obese and happy with it, well they are just storing up health problems for middle age. And for the NHS which will have to treat them. Look around - how many obese people do you see over 70 ? Precious few. That's because most of them don't get much past 50." I cant have long left then. I have a BMI of 46. I have health conditions but losing weight doesn't change them.. I have them If I'm a size 8 or a 32. I know as I have been slimmer as well as bigger. I have low blood pressure. Low cholesterol levels..excellent immune system.. and anyone that has met me in a club knows I have little issues with a cardio work out. Yes I'd like to lose about 5 stone. ( actually had done till the worst 2 years of my life. ) still 5 stone lighter than I was at my heaviest. I normally swim every day. Do several 3 or more hour sex sessions per week. But never go in the gym. I struggle with walking far but I would struggle regardless of my weight due to issues I have been born with. My last gym assessment had the assessor looking very confused. As I should be much less healthy than I am. When my head is in the right place I can lose the 5 stone I put on. But I will always be obese as quite simply.. I am happy at a size 14 to 16.. and that means I'm technically 4 stone over weight. | |||
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"One of the biggest problems is portion size. The government suggests 400 calories for breakfast, 400 calories for lunch and 600 calories for dinner. So what the hell is Macdonald's doing selling burgers containing over 1000 calories before they throw the large fries in and a sugary drink. Limit restaurant meal portions and ready meals to 600 calories. If you really want to over eat then you would have to order two meals but at least you would know you were overeating. Of course restaurants want to sell you as much food as possible but they don't have to pay for the resultant ill health." You need to source that, as the government doesnt promote a one size fits all approach. | |||
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"One of the biggest problems is portion size. The government suggests 400 calories for breakfast, 400 calories for lunch and 600 calories for dinner. So what the hell is Macdonald's doing selling burgers containing over 1000 calories before they throw the large fries in and a sugary drink. Limit restaurant meal portions and ready meals to 600 calories. If you really want to over eat then you would have to order two meals but at least you would know you were overeating. Of course restaurants want to sell you as much food as possible but they don't have to pay for the resultant ill health. You need to source that, as the government doesnt promote a one size fits all approach. " They do, 2000 calories for women, 2500 for men. But it is actually 400,600,600 so I got it slightly wrong. See https://www.gov.uk/government/news/behind-the-headlines-calorie-guidelines-remain-unchanged | |||
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"One of the biggest problems is portion size. The government suggests 400 calories for breakfast, 400 calories for lunch and 600 calories for dinner. So what the hell is Macdonald's doing selling burgers containing over 1000 calories before they throw the large fries in and a sugary drink. Limit restaurant meal portions and ready meals to 600 calories. If you really want to over eat then you would have to order two meals but at least you would know you were overeating. Of course restaurants want to sell you as much food as possible but they don't have to pay for the resultant ill health. You need to source that, as the government doesnt promote a one size fits all approach. They do, 2000 calories for women, 2500 for men. But it is actually 400,600,600 so I got it slightly wrong. See https://www.gov.uk/government/news/behind-the-headlines-calorie-guidelines-remain-unchanged" Published 2017. And snacks make up remainder (I know the old totals for men and women). I need to update self on current govt papers/policies - 2019&20 | |||
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"One of the biggest problems is portion size. The government suggests 400 calories for breakfast, 400 calories for lunch and 600 calories for dinner. So what the hell is Macdonald's doing selling burgers containing over 1000 calories before they throw the large fries in and a sugary drink. Limit restaurant meal portions and ready meals to 600 calories. If you really want to over eat then you would have to order two meals but at least you would know you were overeating. Of course restaurants want to sell you as much food as possible but they don't have to pay for the resultant ill health. You need to source that, as the government doesnt promote a one size fits all approach. They do, 2000 calories for women, 2500 for men. But it is actually 400,600,600 so I got it slightly wrong. See https://www.gov.uk/government/news/behind-the-headlines-calorie-guidelines-remain-unchanged" but if your over a certain weight you have to eat more than that. It isnt one size fits all. For instance If I cut down on my carbs too much I struggle to lose weight. Where as my friend is thr opposite | |||
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"One of the biggest problems is portion size. The government suggests 400 calories for breakfast, 400 calories for lunch and 600 calories for dinner. So what the hell is Macdonald's doing selling burgers containing over 1000 calories before they throw the large fries in and a sugary drink. Limit restaurant meal portions and ready meals to 600 calories. If you really want to over eat then you would have to order two meals but at least you would know you were overeating. Of course restaurants want to sell you as much food as possible but they don't have to pay for the resultant ill health. You need to source that, as the government doesnt promote a one size fits all approach. They do, 2000 calories for women, 2500 for men. But it is actually 400,600,600 so I got it slightly wrong. See https://www.gov.uk/government/news/behind-the-headlines-calorie-guidelines-remain-unchanged but if your over a certain weight you have to eat more than that. It isnt one size fits all. For instance If I cut down on my carbs too much I struggle to lose weight. Where as my friend is thr opposite" not sure if you mistyped carbs, but carbs and calories are not the same thing ... despite lots of diets trying to peddle you that cutting carbs is all you have to do | |||
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"I dont believe Boris had the virus. I believe he was playing it up and hiding from his responsibility." I'm sure the nurses and drs were all in on it too | |||
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"One of the biggest problems is portion size. The government suggests 400 calories for breakfast, 400 calories for lunch and 600 calories for dinner. So what the hell is Macdonald's doing selling burgers containing over 1000 calories before they throw the large fries in and a sugary drink. Limit restaurant meal portions and ready meals to 600 calories. If you really want to over eat then you would have to order two meals but at least you would know you were overeating. Of course restaurants want to sell you as much food as possible but they don't have to pay for the resultant ill health. You need to source that, as the government doesnt promote a one size fits all approach. They do, 2000 calories for women, 2500 for men. But it is actually 400,600,600 so I got it slightly wrong. See https://www.gov.uk/government/news/behind-the-headlines-calorie-guidelines-remain-unchanged but if your over a certain weight you have to eat more than that. It isnt one size fits all. For instance If I cut down on my carbs too much I struggle to lose weight. Where as my friend is thr opposite not sure if you mistyped carbs, but carbs and calories are not the same thing ... despite lots of diets trying to peddle you that cutting carbs is all you have to do " nope I meant carbs. Some people diet well from limiting them more than other foods. I don't. I know exactly what to do to lose weight ans lose it well. I even know how to keep it off. I just cant do it if my heads not in the right place. Normally my eating is good.... today I ate half a packet of hobnobs for breakfast. Where as normally it would be bacon..eggs.. mushrooms..Tomatoes ... beans and a slice of toast. I am sure many of us obese people know how to lose weight if we wanted to. | |||
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"One of the biggest problems is portion size. The government suggests 400 calories for breakfast, 400 calories for lunch and 600 calories for dinner. So what the hell is Macdonald's doing selling burgers containing over 1000 calories before they throw the large fries in and a sugary drink. Limit restaurant meal portions and ready meals to 600 calories. If you really want to over eat then you would have to order two meals but at least you would know you were overeating. Of course restaurants want to sell you as much food as possible but they don't have to pay for the resultant ill health. You need to source that, as the government doesnt promote a one size fits all approach. They do, 2000 calories for women, 2500 for men. But it is actually 400,600,600 so I got it slightly wrong. See https://www.gov.uk/government/news/behind-the-headlines-calorie-guidelines-remain-unchanged but if your over a certain weight you have to eat more than that. " Why would you need to eat more if you weigh more? Perhaps taller people need to eat a little more and shorter people less. What I find revealing is the cat scans of overweight people that show the same size skeleton inside the body as you find in a person of normal weight. | |||
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"l I am happy at a size 14 to 16.. and that means I'm technically 4 stone over weight. " Size 14 to 16 is not really obese, just somewhat overweight. I am talking about those of around size 22 and above | |||
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"One of the biggest problems is portion size. The government suggests 400 calories for breakfast, 400 calories for lunch and 600 calories for dinner. So what the hell is Macdonald's doing selling burgers containing over 1000 calories before they throw the large fries in and a sugary drink. Limit restaurant meal portions and ready meals to 600 calories. If you really want to over eat then you would have to order two meals but at least you would know you were overeating. Of course restaurants want to sell you as much food as possible but they don't have to pay for the resultant ill health. You need to source that, as the government doesnt promote a one size fits all approach. They do, 2000 calories for women, 2500 for men. But it is actually 400,600,600 so I got it slightly wrong. See https://www.gov.uk/government/news/behind-the-headlines-calorie-guidelines-remain-unchanged but if your over a certain weight you have to eat more than that. Why would you need to eat more if you weigh more? Perhaps taller people need to eat a little more and shorter people less. What I find revealing is the cat scans of overweight people that show the same size skeleton inside the body as you find in a person of normal weight." I eat more and weigh more in the winter that's my bulk time. Time to build strength. Then spring and summer I go calorie deficient to cut my body fat and get ready for my holidays. I dont go off BMI I go off my body fat percentage. | |||
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"Perhaps the first thing that has to change is the notion that you can be healthy and obese. but the fact is that you can be. Genuinely curious do you have some medical sources to back that up? Many of our friends feel the PC brigade has got to the point where it's ok to be yourself, doesn't matter if your clinically obese just own and do you. Dont let the haters call you fat because these days you can be obese and healthy anyway. A doctor friend feels its becoming dangerous to create that level of acceptance of obesity as the norm, especially going as far as labeling it healthy. Me Mr personally am probably a stone over weight at least atm. I walk the dog and I work full time through lockdown. Not getting to the gym 3 times a week and specifically the swimming pool is what's killing me. Many of the woman in my family are obese and most who are have diabetes. The fact that 25% of all covid deaths had diabetes is very telling and surely has to be a wake up call. Alas none of the obese / diabetic women I know are planning to make any lifestyle changes and many have been desperate to get back to Maccy d's and similar. Like the a previous poster said health eating literature, info is everywhere not sure what more can be done. KJ x My wife has a under active thyroid. It drives her to tears sometimes. Before lockdown she could gym 5 days a week with me working as hard as me and getting no weight loss at all. She is as fit as me but cant shift the flab but it's a medical condition. She was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 6 year ago but she has reversed that. I see the frustration in her eyes sometimes and it breaks my heart. So you can kind of be over weight and fit. Has she seen a clinician? If she's not losing weight and eating correctly and exercising her thyroid function needs checking by someone other than a gp. How would you go about doing that . Through the GP ?" Yes. I have recently seen a consultant in chemical pathology and metabolic medecine. I've had well controlled under active thyroid for 30 years. The last two years my gp has been telling me that my thyroid function is slightly under but not enough to up my dose. This woman looked at my blood test and immediately altered my dose of thyroxine. If it's possible I'd recommend your wife sees a specialist | |||
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"Perhaps the first thing that has to change is the notion that you can be healthy and obese. but the fact is that you can be. Genuinely curious do you have some medical sources to back that up? Many of our friends feel the PC brigade has got to the point where it's ok to be yourself, doesn't matter if your clinically obese just own and do you. Dont let the haters call you fat because these days you can be obese and healthy anyway. A doctor friend feels its becoming dangerous to create that level of acceptance of obesity as the norm, especially going as far as labeling it healthy. Me Mr personally am probably a stone over weight at least atm. I walk the dog and I work full time through lockdown. Not getting to the gym 3 times a week and specifically the swimming pool is what's killing me. Many of the woman in my family are obese and most who are have diabetes. The fact that 25% of all covid deaths had diabetes is very telling and surely has to be a wake up call. Alas none of the obese / diabetic women I know are planning to make any lifestyle changes and many have been desperate to get back to Maccy d's and similar. Like the a previous poster said health eating literature, info is everywhere not sure what more can be done. KJ x My wife has a under active thyroid. It drives her to tears sometimes. Before lockdown she could gym 5 days a week with me working as hard as me and getting no weight loss at all. She is as fit as me but cant shift the flab but it's a medical condition. She was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 6 year ago but she has reversed that. I see the frustration in her eyes sometimes and it breaks my heart. So you can kind of be over weight and fit. 75mg of Levothyrox daily will sort that out. Works a treat for a friend of mine. What under active thyroid? If she has been diagnosed with hypothyroidism via blood tests I'm sure the GP will have prescribed thyroxine meds. Yes 40mg per day . It helps with not putting on weight but whatever she does it wont come off She has been back to the GP about it and he says that's her safe level. " Not all gps fully understand hypothyroidism. As long as she appears to be in the acceptable range according to the blood test they will keep saying she's on the correct dose. If she's at the low end of the acceptable range they should be looking at symptoms too. Sadly the five minute consultation period doesn't allow for that I hope you can get to see a specialist and get it sorted. | |||
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"Some professionals do not understand that the cause of obesity is multifactorial. There are others who understand. Unfortunately many people (patients) perceive judgement via professionals when in fact it doesn't exist. It's projection. The cause of obesity is eating too much. The reasons for eating to much are multifactorial. Eating too much CAN be a factor. If you eat nothing you will end up like Karen Carpenter on a diet, if you eat too much you will put on weight. There is a point between those two extremes where your weight will be stable. Weight gain can be a side effect of drugs, and there are a range of medical conditions that affect a person's weight and ability to regulate it healthily. I think everyone knows this though, and just pretend otherwise for some reason. that was acknowledged when he said the reasons for eating too much is multifactoral" No it wasn't, try reading the posts. It's not about eating too much in all cases. | |||
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"Agree with Nicecouple. An endocrinology consultant upped my dose to 200mcg when GPs refused to change anything. Its about making changes with the normal range, but a GP will simply stop dose adjustment as soon as results are anywhere within normal, even if only just. Most people with hypothyroidism feel best on a dose that pushes them towards the higher end of the normal range. " It took me two flaming years to get my dose adjusted to the correct level. I get tested every three months now. | |||
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" reminding people of the cold facts is not the same as bashing or shaming them " It is when people are already aware of the facts. It is when people get reminded over and over again of the same thing. Unless someone asks for your advice on weight loss there's really no need to give it. | |||
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"Agree with Nicecouple. An endocrinology consultant upped my dose to 200mcg when GPs refused to change anything. Its about making changes with the normal range, but a GP will simply stop dose adjustment as soon as results are anywhere within normal, even if only just. Most people with hypothyroidism feel best on a dose that pushes them towards the higher end of the normal range. It took me two flaming years to get my dose adjusted to the correct level. I get tested every three months now." Yes, took me a similar length of time and now every GP who looks at my blood results wants to knock it down to 150mcg, even when the endocrinologist says its fine. The lack of understanding on the hypothyroid thing is bonkers, considering how common it is. | |||
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" reminding people of the cold facts is not the same as bashing or shaming them It is when people are already aware of the facts. It is when people get reminded over and over again of the same thing. Unless someone asks for your advice on weight loss there's really no need to give it. " well i was discussing the science of it with someone who had said its not about calories in vs calories out i never anywhere singled someone out or tried to provide advice to anyone about their personal weight trouble is if when people read something they don't want to hear it gets jumped on as bashing i’m a size 16 myself with an overweight bmi ... so was i technically bashing myself? | |||
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"Perhaps the first thing that has to change is the notion that you can be healthy and obese. but the fact is that you can be. Genuinely curious do you have some medical sources to back that up? Many of our friends feel the PC brigade has got to the point where it's ok to be yourself, doesn't matter if your clinically obese just own and do you. Dont let the haters call you fat because these days you can be obese and healthy anyway. A doctor friend feels its becoming dangerous to create that level of acceptance of obesity as the norm, especially going as far as labeling it healthy. Me Mr personally am probably a stone over weight at least atm. I walk the dog and I work full time through lockdown. Not getting to the gym 3 times a week and specifically the swimming pool is what's killing me. Many of the woman in my family are obese and most who are have diabetes. The fact that 25% of all covid deaths had diabetes is very telling and surely has to be a wake up call. Alas none of the obese / diabetic women I know are planning to make any lifestyle changes and many have been desperate to get back to Maccy d's and similar. Like the a previous poster said health eating literature, info is everywhere not sure what more can be done. KJ x My wife has a under active thyroid. It drives her to tears sometimes. Before lockdown she could gym 5 days a week with me working as hard as me and getting no weight loss at all. She is as fit as me but cant shift the flab but it's a medical condition. She was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes 6 year ago but she has reversed that. I see the frustration in her eyes sometimes and it breaks my heart. So you can kind of be over weight and fit. Has she seen a clinician? If she's not losing weight and eating correctly and exercising her thyroid function needs checking by someone other than a gp. How would you go about doing that . Through the GP ? Yes. I have recently seen a consultant in chemical pathology and metabolic medecine. I've had well controlled under active thyroid for 30 years. The last two years my gp has been telling me that my thyroid function is slightly under but not enough to up my dose. This woman looked at my blood test and immediately altered my dose of thyroxine. If it's possible I'd recommend your wife sees a specialist "Thanks for the info I will ask her to ask her GP about this | |||
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"Agree with Nicecouple. An endocrinology consultant upped my dose to 200mcg when GPs refused to change anything. Its about making changes with the normal range, but a GP will simply stop dose adjustment as soon as results are anywhere within normal, even if only just. Most people with hypothyroidism feel best on a dose that pushes them towards the higher end of the normal range. It took me two flaming years to get my dose adjusted to the correct level. I get tested every three months now. Yes, took me a similar length of time and now every GP who looks at my blood results wants to knock it down to 150mcg, even when the endocrinologist says its fine. The lack of understanding on the hypothyroid thing is bonkers, considering how common it is. " Hopefully she has the strength to keep onto the GP. I tell her she goes and comes back and says the GP says it's ok. I tell her u live with you and I can tell that you are not ok. I will try to make sure she keeps pushing.. | |||
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"They need to educate people on calories, everyone comments about 2000 calories a day for a woman but after checking, based on my height and body weight etc, I only need 1450 calories to maintain my weight. I think its a positive move to get the nation healthier and would benefit the nhs " You need to recalculate properly, guessing you didn't add the calculation based upon your activity level because going on your height, age, sex and guessing your weight I get that you're about 1450 as your base level BMR but that's only your level if you did nothing all day every day. https://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator Use that calculator to get your BMR and then multiply it according to your average activity level using the following.. Harris Benedict Formula To determine your total daily calorie needs, multiply your BMR by the appropriate activity factor, as follows: If you are sedentary (little or no exercise): BMR x 1.2 If you are lightly active (light exercise 1-3 days/week): BMR x 1.375 If you are moderately active (moderate exercise/sports 3-5 days/week) : BMR x 1.55 If you are very active (hard exercise/sports 6-7 days a week) : BMR x 1.725 If you are extra active (very hard exercise/sports & physical job or 2x training) : BMR x 1.9 | |||
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"One of the biggest problems is portion size. The government suggests 400 calories for breakfast, 400 calories for lunch and 600 calories for dinner. So what the hell is Macdonald's doing selling burgers containing over 1000 calories before they throw the large fries in and a sugary drink. Limit restaurant meal portions and ready meals to 600 calories. If you really want to over eat then you would have to order two meals but at least you would know you were overeating. Of course restaurants want to sell you as much food as possible but they don't have to pay for the resultant ill health. You need to source that, as the government doesnt promote a one size fits all approach. They do, 2000 calories for women, 2500 for men. But it is actually 400,600,600 so I got it slightly wrong. See https://www.gov.uk/government/news/behind-the-headlines-calorie-guidelines-remain-unchanged but if your over a certain weight you have to eat more than that. Why would you need to eat more if you weigh more? Perhaps taller people need to eat a little more and shorter people less. What I find revealing is the cat scans of overweight people that show the same size skeleton inside the body as you find in a person of normal weight." What on earth has the skeleton size got to do with anything? Of course your body uses more energy to exist and complete tasks if you mass is higher. Look at the BMR calculator I posted in the previous comment. | |||
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"One of the biggest problems is portion size. The government suggests 400 calories for breakfast, 400 calories for lunch and 600 calories for dinner. So what the hell is Macdonald's doing selling burgers containing over 1000 calories before they throw the large fries in and a sugary drink. Limit restaurant meal portions and ready meals to 600 calories. If you really want to over eat then you would have to order two meals but at least you would know you were overeating. Of course restaurants want to sell you as much food as possible but they don't have to pay for the resultant ill health. You need to source that, as the government doesnt promote a one size fits all approach. They do, 2000 calories for women, 2500 for men. But it is actually 400,600,600 so I got it slightly wrong. See https://www.gov.uk/government/news/behind-the-headlines-calorie-guidelines-remain-unchanged but if your over a certain weight you have to eat more than that. Why would you need to eat more if you weigh more? Perhaps taller people need to eat a little more and shorter people less. What I find revealing is the cat scans of overweight people that show the same size skeleton inside the body as you find in a person of normal weight. What on earth has the skeleton size got to do with anything? Of course your body uses more energy to exist and complete tasks if you mass is higher. Look at the BMR calculator I posted in the previous comment." So you're saying that if you are overweight then you need to eat more to maintain that excess weight. If you are overweight you should be eating less, not more, than average. | |||
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"Agree with Nicecouple. An endocrinology consultant upped my dose to 200mcg when GPs refused to change anything. Its about making changes with the normal range, but a GP will simply stop dose adjustment as soon as results are anywhere within normal, even if only just. Most people with hypothyroidism feel best on a dose that pushes them towards the higher end of the normal range. It took me two flaming years to get my dose adjusted to the correct level. I get tested every three months now. Yes, took me a similar length of time and now every GP who looks at my blood results wants to knock it down to 150mcg, even when the endocrinologist says its fine. The lack of understanding on the hypothyroid thing is bonkers, considering how common it is. Hopefully she has the strength to keep onto the GP. I tell her she goes and comes back and says the GP says it's ok. I tell her u live with you and I can tell that you are not ok. I will try to make sure she keeps pushing.." Get her to list her symptoms before she goes. Google "thyroid society" and ' thyroid forum" too. Good luck | |||
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"Agree with Nicecouple. An endocrinology consultant upped my dose to 200mcg when GPs refused to change anything. Its about making changes with the normal range, but a GP will simply stop dose adjustment as soon as results are anywhere within normal, even if only just. Most people with hypothyroidism feel best on a dose that pushes them towards the higher end of the normal range. It took me two flaming years to get my dose adjusted to the correct level. I get tested every three months now. Yes, took me a similar length of time and now every GP who looks at my blood results wants to knock it down to 150mcg, even when the endocrinologist says its fine. The lack of understanding on the hypothyroid thing is bonkers, considering how common it is. Hopefully she has the strength to keep onto the GP. I tell her she goes and comes back and says the GP says it's ok. I tell her u live with you and I can tell that you are not ok. I will try to make sure she keeps pushing.. Get her to list her symptoms before she goes. Google "thyroid society" and ' thyroid forum" too. Good luck" Thanks will do. | |||
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"Agree with Nicecouple. An endocrinology consultant upped my dose to 200mcg when GPs refused to change anything. Its about making changes with the normal range, but a GP will simply stop dose adjustment as soon as results are anywhere within normal, even if only just. Most people with hypothyroidism feel best on a dose that pushes them towards the higher end of the normal range. It took me two flaming years to get my dose adjusted to the correct level. I get tested every three months now. Yes, took me a similar length of time and now every GP who looks at my blood results wants to knock it down to 150mcg, even when the endocrinologist says its fine. The lack of understanding on the hypothyroid thing is bonkers, considering how common it is. Hopefully she has the strength to keep onto the GP. I tell her she goes and comes back and says the GP says it's ok. I tell her u live with you and I can tell that you are not ok. I will try to make sure she keeps pushing.. Get her to list her symptoms before she goes. Google "thyroid society" and ' thyroid forum" too. Good luck"
What I thought I understood about thyroid function ,and the purpose of the drugs
Vs what I'm reading do not correlate
As I'm not qualified I'll keep quite on what I thought I knew
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"Agree with Nicecouple. An endocrinology consultant upped my dose to 200mcg when GPs refused to change anything. Its about making changes with the normal range, but a GP will simply stop dose adjustment as soon as results are anywhere within normal, even if only just. Most people with hypothyroidism feel best on a dose that pushes them towards the higher end of the normal range. It took me two flaming years to get my dose adjusted to the correct level. I get tested every three months now. Yes, took me a similar length of time and now every GP who looks at my blood results wants to knock it down to 150mcg, even when the endocrinologist says its fine. The lack of understanding on the hypothyroid thing is bonkers, considering how common it is. Hopefully she has the strength to keep onto the GP. I tell her she goes and comes back and says the GP says it's ok. I tell her u live with you and I can tell that you are not ok. I will try to make sure she keeps pushing.. Get her to list her symptoms before she goes. Google "thyroid society" and ' thyroid forum" too. Good luck
What I thought I understood about thyroid function ,and the purpose of the drugs
Vs what I'm reading do not correlate
As I'm not qualified I'll keep quite on what I thought I knew
"My basic understanding of it is that it produces the T3 and T4 hormones that drive your metabolism When the thyroid is under active it does not produce enough of them. I could be wrong . | |||
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"Agree with Nicecouple. An endocrinology consultant upped my dose to 200mcg when GPs refused to change anything. Its about making changes with the normal range, but a GP will simply stop dose adjustment as soon as results are anywhere within normal, even if only just. Most people with hypothyroidism feel best on a dose that pushes them towards the higher end of the normal range. It took me two flaming years to get my dose adjusted to the correct level. I get tested every three months now. Yes, took me a similar length of time and now every GP who looks at my blood results wants to knock it down to 150mcg, even when the endocrinologist says its fine. The lack of understanding on the hypothyroid thing is bonkers, considering how common it is. Hopefully she has the strength to keep onto the GP. I tell her she goes and comes back and says the GP says it's ok. I tell her u live with you and I can tell that you are not ok. I will try to make sure she keeps pushing.. Get her to list her symptoms before she goes. Google "thyroid society" and ' thyroid forum" too. Good luck
What I thought I understood about thyroid function ,and the purpose of the drugs
Vs what I'm reading do not correlate
As I'm not qualified I'll keep quite on what I thought I knew
My basic understanding of it is that it produces the T3 and T4 hormones that drive your metabolism
When the thyroid is under active it does not produce enough of them.
I could be wrong .
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"Agree with Nicecouple. An endocrinology consultant upped my dose to 200mcg when GPs refused to change anything. Its about making changes with the normal range, but a GP will simply stop dose adjustment as soon as results are anywhere within normal, even if only just. Most people with hypothyroidism feel best on a dose that pushes them towards the higher end of the normal range. It took me two flaming years to get my dose adjusted to the correct level. I get tested every three months now. Yes, took me a similar length of time and now every GP who looks at my blood results wants to knock it down to 150mcg, even when the endocrinologist says its fine. The lack of understanding on the hypothyroid thing is bonkers, considering how common it is. Hopefully she has the strength to keep onto the GP. I tell her she goes and comes back and says the GP says it's ok. I tell her u live with you and I can tell that you are not ok. I will try to make sure she keeps pushing.. Get her to list her symptoms before she goes. Google "thyroid society" and ' thyroid forum" too. Good luck
What I thought I understood about thyroid function ,and the purpose of the drugs
Vs what I'm reading do not correlate
As I'm not qualified I'll keep quite on what I thought I knew
My basic understanding of it is that it produces the T3 and T4 hormones that drive your metabolism
When the thyroid is under active it does not produce enough of them.
I could be wrong .
"The effect the lack of these hormones has on your metabolism is what causes the symptoms. I don't know if people who take thyroxine still get free prescriptions because I'm over 60 and mine are free anyway. That was the case because thyroxine is replacement therapy. Have a read of symptoms poor hearing, carpal tunnel syndrome and a deeper voice are only three of the lesser known ones. That said I'd always advise people to find out for themselves, don't take too much notice of people on the Internet . | |||
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"Agree with Nicecouple. An endocrinology consultant upped my dose to 200mcg when GPs refused to change anything. Its about making changes with the normal range, but a GP will simply stop dose adjustment as soon as results are anywhere within normal, even if only just. Most people with hypothyroidism feel best on a dose that pushes them towards the higher end of the normal range. It took me two flaming years to get my dose adjusted to the correct level. I get tested every three months now. Yes, took me a similar length of time and now every GP who looks at my blood results wants to knock it down to 150mcg, even when the endocrinologist says its fine. The lack of understanding on the hypothyroid thing is bonkers, considering how common it is. Hopefully she has the strength to keep onto the GP. I tell her she goes and comes back and says the GP says it's ok. I tell her u live with you and I can tell that you are not ok. I will try to make sure she keeps pushing.. Get her to list her symptoms before she goes. Google "thyroid society" and ' thyroid forum" too. Good luck
What I thought I understood about thyroid function ,and the purpose of the drugs
Vs what I'm reading do not correlate
As I'm not qualified I'll keep quite on what I thought I knew
My basic understanding of it is that it produces the T3 and T4 hormones that drive your metabolism
When the thyroid is under active it does not produce enough of them.
I could be wrong .
And what is the metabolism?
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"Agree with Nicecouple. An endocrinology consultant upped my dose to 200mcg when GPs refused to change anything. Its about making changes with the normal range, but a GP will simply stop dose adjustment as soon as results are anywhere within normal, even if only just. Most people with hypothyroidism feel best on a dose that pushes them towards the higher end of the normal range. It took me two flaming years to get my dose adjusted to the correct level. I get tested every three months now. Yes, took me a similar length of time and now every GP who looks at my blood results wants to knock it down to 150mcg, even when the endocrinologist says its fine. The lack of understanding on the hypothyroid thing is bonkers, considering how common it is. Hopefully she has the strength to keep onto the GP. I tell her she goes and comes back and says the GP says it's ok. I tell her u live with you and I can tell that you are not ok. I will try to make sure she keeps pushing.. Get her to list her symptoms before she goes. Google "thyroid society" and ' thyroid forum" too. Good luck
What I thought I understood about thyroid function ,and the purpose of the drugs
Vs what I'm reading do not correlate
As I'm not qualified I'll keep quite on what I thought I knew
My basic understanding of it is that it produces the T3 and T4 hormones that drive your metabolism
When the thyroid is under active it does not produce enough of them.
I could be wrong .
And what is the metabolism?
Mate it looks like your a bodybuilder surely you know what metabolism is."Maybe I understand the very complex system we call the metabolism a little, my curiosity is whether others do? what they think it is or does | |||
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"Agree with Nicecouple. An endocrinology consultant upped my dose to 200mcg when GPs refused to change anything. Its about making changes with the normal range, but a GP will simply stop dose adjustment as soon as results are anywhere within normal, even if only just. Most people with hypothyroidism feel best on a dose that pushes them towards the higher end of the normal range. It took me two flaming years to get my dose adjusted to the correct level. I get tested every three months now. Yes, took me a similar length of time and now every GP who looks at my blood results wants to knock it down to 150mcg, even when the endocrinologist says its fine. The lack of understanding on the hypothyroid thing is bonkers, considering how common it is. Hopefully she has the strength to keep onto the GP. I tell her she goes and comes back and says the GP says it's ok. I tell her u live with you and I can tell that you are not ok. I will try to make sure she keeps pushing.. Get her to list her symptoms before she goes. Google "thyroid society" and ' thyroid forum" too. Good luck
What I thought I understood about thyroid function ,and the purpose of the drugs
Vs what I'm reading do not correlate
As I'm not qualified I'll keep quite on what I thought I knew
My basic understanding of it is that it produces the T3 and T4 hormones that drive your metabolism
When the thyroid is under active it does not produce enough of them.
I could be wrong .
And what is the metabolism?
Mate it looks like your a bodybuilder surely you know what metabolism is.
Maybe I understand the very complex system we call the metabolism a little, my curiosity is whether others do? what they think it is or does "I know a little bit about how an under active affects it . Plus before my 30s I could eat anything and never put on weight . These days I am working out 2 hours per day just to keep on my body fat in check. | |||
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"They need to educate people on calories, everyone comments about 2000 calories a day for a woman but after checking, based on my height and body weight etc, I only need 1450 calories to maintain my weight. I think its a positive move to get the nation healthier and would benefit the nhs You need to recalculate properly, guessing you didn't add the calculation based upon your activity level because going on your height, age, sex and guessing your weight I get that you're about 1450 as your base level BMR but that's only your level if you did nothing all day every day. https://www.bmi-calculator.net/bmr-calculator Use that calculator to get your BMR and then multiply it according to your average activity level using the following.. Harris Benedict Formula To determine your total daily calorie needs, multiply your BMR by the appropriate activity factor, as follows: If you are sedentary (little or no exercise): BMR x 1.2 If you are lightly active (light exercise 1-3 days/week): BMR x 1.375 If you are moderately active (moderate exercise/sports 3-5 days/week) : BMR x 1.55 If you are very active (hard exercise/sports 6-7 days a week) : BMR x 1.725 If you are extra active (very hard exercise/sports & physical job or 2x training) : BMR x 1.9 " 1516, so wasn't far out. I was looking for that calculator and couldn't rem_mber it's name. | |||
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"I dont believe Boris had the virus. I believe he was playing it up and hiding from his responsibility. Lol not sure the NHS staff treating him would have played along with that. Sounds like a great conspiracy theory though "There's a lot of those doing the rounds currently | |||
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"A lot of anti fat people on here ,ok there are a lot of reasons why some people are overweight, they maybe on steroids, some diabetic medication makes you put on weight, antidepressants make you put on weight and some heart meds do as well ,also having a underactive thyroid also the menopause can make you gain weight, so before you all judge people get a little medical knowledge.." i think if you read the thread there is actually very little judgement and many people giving one m_mber helpful information for his wife there has been a lot of debate and disagreement about the science... that doesn’t make people anti fat | |||
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"A lot of anti fat people on here ,ok there are a lot of reasons why some people are overweight, they maybe on steroids, some diabetic medication makes you put on weight, antidepressants make you put on weight and some heart meds do as well ,also having a underactive thyroid also the menopause can make you gain weight, so before you all judge people get a little medical knowledge.." Anti fat lol Like I said earlier, no fat people in the VE Day photos, and grandma was eating bread and dripping sandwiches lol more in than out...... | |||
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"Agree with Nicecouple. An endocrinology consultant upped my dose to 200mcg when GPs refused to change anything. Its about making changes with the normal range, but a GP will simply stop dose adjustment as soon as results are anywhere within normal, even if only just. Most people with hypothyroidism feel best on a dose that pushes them towards the higher end of the normal range. It took me two flaming years to get my dose adjusted to the correct level. I get tested every three months now." Don't get me started on this | |||
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"Agree with Nicecouple. An endocrinology consultant upped my dose to 200mcg when GPs refused to change anything. Its about making changes with the normal range, but a GP will simply stop dose adjustment as soon as results are anywhere within normal, even if only just. Most people with hypothyroidism feel best on a dose that pushes them towards the higher end of the normal range. It took me two flaming years to get my dose adjusted to the correct level. I get tested every three months now. Don't get me started on this "I Trust me I've typed and deleted a lengthy rant | |||
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"Agree with Nicecouple. An endocrinology consultant upped my dose to 200mcg when GPs refused to change anything. Its about making changes with the normal range, but a GP will simply stop dose adjustment as soon as results are anywhere within normal, even if only just. Most people with hypothyroidism feel best on a dose that pushes them towards the higher end of the normal range. It took me two flaming years to get my dose adjusted to the correct level. I get tested every three months now. Don't get me started on this I
Trust me I've typed and deleted a lengthy rant "Six years. Up. Down. Up. Down.
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"Agree with Nicecouple. An endocrinology consultant upped my dose to 200mcg when GPs refused to change anything. Its about making changes with the normal range, but a GP will simply stop dose adjustment as soon as results are anywhere within normal, even if only just. Most people with hypothyroidism feel best on a dose that pushes them towards the higher end of the normal range. It took me two flaming years to get my dose adjusted to the correct level. I get tested every three months now. Don't get me started on this I
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Six years. Up. Down. Up. Down.
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"Agree with Nicecouple. An endocrinology consultant upped my dose to 200mcg when GPs refused to change anything. Its about making changes with the normal range, but a GP will simply stop dose adjustment as soon as results are anywhere within normal, even if only just. Most people with hypothyroidism feel best on a dose that pushes them towards the higher end of the normal range. It took me two flaming years to get my dose adjusted to the correct level. I get tested every three months now. Don't get me started on this I
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Six years. Up. Down. Up. Down.
"You're too young to have this!" for the last 20 years
I was very lucky when I was first diagnosed 30 years ago. More recently however it's been a different story. I think doctors don't have the time to look at the whole patient and just treat individual symptoms. "My diagnosis was fine, although yes, I was freakishly young. Shit happens etc. But because I'm under a certain age or my labs don't exactly fit certain criteria they throw me for a loop every 3-6 months. And more on topic, I get lectures about vegetables when I tell people my height and weight until they look up from the computer. Obese I may be, according to BMI... But in terms of body fat percentage I'm doing well. | |||
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"Agree with Nicecouple. An endocrinology consultant upped my dose to 200mcg when GPs refused to change anything. Its about making changes with the normal range, but a GP will simply stop dose adjustment as soon as results are anywhere within normal, even if only just. Most people with hypothyroidism feel best on a dose that pushes them towards the higher end of the normal range. It took me two flaming years to get my dose adjusted to the correct level. I get tested every three months now. Don't get me started on this I
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Six years. Up. Down. Up. Down.
"You're too young to have this!" for the last 20 years
I was very lucky when I was first diagnosed 30 years ago. More recently however it's been a different story. I think doctors don't have the time to look at the whole patient and just treat individual symptoms.
My diagnosis was fine, although yes, I was freakishly young. Shit happens etc.
But because I'm under a certain age or my labs don't exactly fit certain criteria they throw me for a loop every 3-6 months.
And more on topic, I get lectures about vegetables when I tell people my height and weight until they look up from the computer. Obese I may be, according to BMI... But in terms of body fat percentage I'm doing well."Is there a history of thyroid problems in your family? | |||
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"Is there a history of thyroid problems in your family?" Yes. At least as far back as we found levothyroxine in my great grandmother's possession when she died (and every generation since). | |||
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"I see Diabetes accounts for a large percentage as well. Although the two may go hand in hand. Covid 19 has made me reevaluate my diet and training. I have upped the sups, Superfoods and vegetable intakes. I try and do more cardio as well. Type 2 diabetes and obesity do go hand in hand. Hopefully this virus will force people to take a look at what they eat and how little they exercise. Diabetic medications do not help" They do if you are diabetic. | |||
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"Is there a history of thyroid problems in your family? Yes. At least as far back as we found levothyroxine in my great grandmother's possession when she died (and every generation since)." Our daughter gets tested periodically just in case. The only relative that I know of who had thyroid problems had hyperthyroidism | |||
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"Is there a history of thyroid problems in your family? Yes. At least as far back as we found levothyroxine in my great grandmother's possession when she died (and every generation since). Our daughter gets tested periodically just in case. The only relative that I know of who had thyroid problems had hyperthyroidism" Most of the women in my family are hypo, although most got it in their twenties through forties. I got lucky | |||
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"Is there a history of thyroid problems in your family? Yes. At least as far back as we found levothyroxine in my great grandmother's possession when she died (and every generation since). Our daughter gets tested periodically just in case. The only relative that I know of who had thyroid problems had hyperthyroidism Most of the women in my family are hypo, although most got it in their twenties through forties. I got lucky "I . At least you get free prescriptions | |||
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"Uk and US have highest death rates, we also have the worse diet, makes you think. I did actually think that looking at populations although we are only 4th highest death rate per million. " Its more to do with aging populations, not weight.. look at Italy. | |||
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"There is enough information and awareness out there with regards to obesity and the multiple health issues it implies which have only been amplified by covid-19. If people remain the same it's because for the most part they can't be bothered to make an effort. As we're in a free society it's their choice. Only way you could massively change that is through force and that encroaches on fundamental freedoms. I certainly wouldn't support it." I would largely agree with you. I'm overweight, I excersise and on the whole, eat well but too much. I know what I should do, I don't do it enough. What I have done, is work through many psychological issues so I'm more content and less self destructive. My appetite has decreased as has my alcohol consumption. In times of stress, I lean toward food and alcohol. I have lived through and survived years of sexual abuse as a child. I think, so I'm overweight but, I'm alive and happy | |||
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"Uk and US have highest death rates, we also have the worse diet, makes you think. I did actually think that looking at populations although we are only 4th highest death rate per million. Its more to do with aging populations, not weight.. look at Italy." Errrrrmmmmm for about 2months they've been saying..... age, obesity and underlying conditions are the big risks. Why do people always have difficulty accepting only one of these? Lol. | |||
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"Uk and US have highest death rates, we also have the worse diet, makes you think. I did actually think that looking at populations although we are only 4th highest death rate per million. Its more to do with aging populations, not weight.. look at Italy. Errrrrmmmmm for about 2months they've been saying..... age, obesity and underlying conditions are the big risks. Why do people always have difficulty accepting only one of these? Lol. " Interesting isn't it. I was listening to an "expert" on the radio who explained that being overweight wasn't a risk but obesity was. They did give an example of the sort of weight at which problems start which was around 20 stone for a 6 ft man. Obviously this isn't true of all 6ft 20 stone men because some will be body builders etc but if there's evidence that something is a risk factor there's not much point arguing against it | |||
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"Uk and US have highest death rates, we also have the worse diet, makes you think. I did actually think that looking at populations although we are only 4th highest death rate per million. Its more to do with aging populations, not weight.. look at Italy. Errrrrmmmmm for about 2months they've been saying..... age, obesity and underlying conditions are the big risks. Why do people always have difficulty accepting only two of these? Lol. " FTFY Because you can't change those two
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"Uk and US have highest death rates, we also have the worse diet, makes you think. I did actually think that looking at populations although we are only 4th highest death rate per million. Its more to do with aging populations, not weight.. look at Italy. Errrrrmmmmm for about 2months they've been saying..... age, obesity and underlying conditions are the big risks. Why do people always have difficulty accepting only one of these? Lol. Interesting isn't it. I was listening to an "expert" on the radio who explained that being overweight wasn't a risk but obesity was. They did give an example of the sort of weight at which problems start which was around 20 stone for a 6 ft man. Obviously this isn't true of all 6ft 20 stone men because some will be body builders etc but if there's evidence that something is a risk factor there's not much point arguing against it" Yep BMI 40+ class 3 obesity/morbid obesity. Rem_mbering BMI is an indicator. IE doctors and nurses looking at the person. Height is already factored in. Volume of fat per kg is larger than same volume of muscle. Bone density is higher in people younger than 50 (I'm using 50 as a ball park figure ). | |||
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"Uk and US have highest death rates, we also have the worse diet, makes you think. I did actually think that looking at populations although we are only 4th highest death rate per million. Its more to do with aging populations, not weight.. look at Italy. Errrrrmmmmm for about 2months they've been saying..... age, obesity and underlying conditions are the big risks. Why do people always have difficulty accepting only one of these? Lol. " They probably only accept the issues that they don't have. In denial because they don't want to worry that they themselves are at risk. | |||
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"I am hoping the "much more interventionist" approach will be based on incentivising healthy food and fitness. "That's been tried for years already. Sadly, it hasn't worked. As long as we live in a society without excessive limits on our freedom, we're going to struggle to prevent people harming their own health. | |||
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"You can’t change age but you can be bloody slimmer and look after yourself so there isn’t any underlying health conditions "You do realise not all underlying conditions are lifestyle related. Re becoming slimmer: Imagine (non-identical) twin females. Obese and decide to choose same diet and exercise regime. Both strictly compliant. Meet up 3 months later with these results of weight loss... Twin one Month one 16lbs loss Month two 14lbs loss Month three 10lbs loss Twin two Month one 2lbs loss Month two 0lbs loss Month three 1lbs loss Fitness level of both is up, inches loss is greater in twin one. The difference in the twins is that twin two has polycystic ovary syndrome (hormone issue). Just consider how demotivating losing that little is. I'm pointing out not impossible but extremely hard. | |||
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"I dont believe Boris had the virus. I believe he was playing it up and hiding from his responsibility. Lol not sure the NHS staff treating him would have played along with that. Sounds like a great conspiracy theory though "Who sais the staff were legit? | |||
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"Is there a history of thyroid problems in your family? Yes. At least as far back as we found levothyroxine in my great grandmother's possession when she died (and every generation since). Our daughter gets tested periodically just in case. The only relative that I know of who had thyroid problems had hyperthyroidism Most of the women in my family are hypo, although most got it in their twenties through forties. I got lucky I
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"You can’t change age but you can be bloody slimmer and look after yourself so there isn’t any underlying health conditions
You do realise not all underlying conditions are lifestyle related.
Re becoming slimmer:
Imagine (non-identical) twin females. Obese and decide to choose same diet and exercise regime. Both strictly compliant. Meet up 3 months later with these results of weight loss...
Twin one
Month one 16lbs loss
Month two 14lbs loss
Month three 10lbs loss
Twin two
Month one 2lbs loss
Month two 0lbs loss
Month three 1lbs loss
Fitness level of both is up, inches loss is greater in twin one.
The difference in the twins is that twin two has polycystic ovary syndrome (hormone issue). Just consider how demotivating losing that little is. I'm pointing out not impossible but extremely hard. "surely the issue here is that knowing one had a hormone problem, they were both given the same plan ... it should have been adapted to take that into account | |||
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"You can’t change age but you can be bloody slimmer and look after yourself so there isn’t any underlying health conditions
You do realise not all underlying conditions are lifestyle related.
Re becoming slimmer:
Imagine (non-identical) twin females. Obese and decide to choose same diet and exercise regime. Both strictly compliant. Meet up 3 months later with these results of weight loss...
Twin one
Month one 16lbs loss
Month two 14lbs loss
Month three 10lbs loss
Twin two
Month one 2lbs loss
Month two 0lbs loss
Month three 1lbs loss
Fitness level of both is up, inches loss is greater in twin one.
The difference in the twins is that twin two has polycystic ovary syndrome (hormone issue). Just consider how demotivating losing that little is. I'm pointing out not impossible but extremely hard.
surely the issue here is that knowing one had a hormone problem, they were both given the same plan ... it should have been adapted to take that into account "They CHOSE the same plan. This is a hypothetical scenario chosen to reduce other variables which exist in real life. | |||
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"You can’t change age but you can be bloody slimmer and look after yourself so there isn’t any underlying health conditions
You do realise not all underlying conditions are lifestyle related.
Re becoming slimmer:
Imagine (non-identical) twin females. Obese and decide to choose same diet and exercise regime. Both strictly compliant. Meet up 3 months later with these results of weight loss...
Twin one
Month one 16lbs loss
Month two 14lbs loss
Month three 10lbs loss
Twin two
Month one 2lbs loss
Month two 0lbs loss
Month three 1lbs loss
Fitness level of both is up, inches loss is greater in twin one.
The difference in the twins is that twin two has polycystic ovary syndrome (hormone issue). Just consider how demotivating losing that little is. I'm pointing out not impossible but extremely hard.
surely the issue here is that knowing one had a hormone problem, they were both given the same plan ... it should have been adapted to take that into account
They CHOSE the same plan. This is a hypothetical scenario chosen to reduce other variables which exist in real life. "wether they chose it or were given its still the flaw being twins is not the same as being the same person there is no guarantee that they both have the same metabolic rate so the level of calories and exercise that work for one doesnt mean its the same for the other | |||
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"I dont believe Boris had the virus. I believe he was playing it up and hiding from his responsibility. Lol not sure the NHS staff treating him would have played along with that. Sounds like a great conspiracy theory though
Who sais the staff were legit?" | |||
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