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Should key workers also get free cash?

By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man over a year ago

salisbury

Putting their lives at risk by continuing to work without a single extra penny, while others sit at home on 80%! Surely that can't be fair?!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Yeah, give them 20% of your paycheque

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By *luebell888Woman over a year ago

Glasgowish

I must admit i am a bit envious of people getting paid to sit at home but then again i could not afford to live off only 80% of my wages so grateful i am still at work.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Putting their lives at risk by continuing to work without a single extra penny, while others sit at home on 80%! Surely that can't be fair?!"

My daughter works in a Spar shop and their head office gives them a £10 voucher every two weeks, so a lovely touch x

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By *ntrigued32Couple over a year ago

Nottingham

100% They should get paid extra.

Jo.Xx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

People haven't been given free cash. They're being paid 80% of their usual salary due to the pandemic and not being able to work. Most people wouldn't have been able to survive without it.

Our key workers are doing an amazing job, and deserve every ounce of praise they get, but they are still able to go out and earn a living. (I'd give my right tit for a full week of work atm!)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I'm sat at home on 100% and it wasn't by choice so I certainly do not feel guilty about it but I am grateful the company I work for has ensured we get 100%.

It will be a while yet before we are aloud to work, we are last on the list.

My sister is a carer & her employer is giving them a bonus for continuing to work throughout lockdown.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"100% They should get paid extra.

Jo.Xx "

But who pays the extra? Companies are having to furlough folk to protect their jobs longterm not as an easy option out.so where would the money come from....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People haven't been given free cash. They're being paid 80% of their usual salary due to the pandemic and not being able to work. Most people wouldn't have been able to survive without it.

Our key workers are doing an amazing job, and deserve every ounce of praise they get, but they are still able to go out and earn a living. (I'd give my right tit for a full week of work atm!)

Finally a good point of view.

Im working, want no extra than my wage as I'm glad I'm getting that at least. I can still pay my rent, but food etc.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yeah, give them 20% of your paycheque "

Top answer, most folk seem to think furlough means free cash. It's done to protect your employment longterm.

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By *ustBoWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in Co. Down

"I'm sat at home on 100% and it wasn't by choice so I certainly do not feel guilty about it but I am grateful the company I work for has ensured we get 100%.

It will be a while yet before we are aloud to work, we are last on the list.

My sister is a carer & her employer is giving them a bonus for continuing to work throughout lockdown.

Your sister is lucky I'm a carer and we just get our basic wage and they have told us we will get nothing extra but maybe a party when it's all over lol

But no I don't think we should get free cash as such a bonus from work would be great but the way I see it is the people who are not allowed to work and are getting the 80 per cent they need that money to survive otherwise they would be in real financial trouble. A lot are willing to work but can't. I don't see it as free cash for them more a necessity to live.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm sat at home on 100% and it wasn't by choice so I certainly do not feel guilty about it but I am grateful the company I work for has ensured we get 100%.

It will be a while yet before we are aloud to work, we are last on the list.

My sister is a carer & her employer is giving them a bonus for continuing to work throughout lockdown.

Your sister is lucky I'm a carer and we just get our basic wage and they have told us we will get nothing extra but maybe a party when it's all over lol

I think her company used it an incentive to continue working & not self isolate as a few of the carers did, as said they were at risk with the elderly.

Hope it's one hell of a party for you! X

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By *ustBoWoman over a year ago

Somewhere in Co. Down

"I'm sat at home on 100% and it wasn't by choice so I certainly do not feel guilty about it but I am grateful the company I work for has ensured we get 100%.

It will be a while yet before we are aloud to work, we are last on the list.

My sister is a carer & her employer is giving them a bonus for continuing to work throughout lockdown.

Your sister is lucky I'm a carer and we just get our basic wage and they have told us we will get nothing extra but maybe a party when it's all over lol

I think her company used it an incentive to continue working & not self isolate as a few of the carers did, as said they were at risk with the elderly.

Hope it's one hell of a party for you! X"

I can almost guarantee we won't get one. Our company won't do the 80 per cent anyhow even for people who are high risk or self isolating. Even if we get covid we just get basic sick pay. But most of us were going to continue working anyhow as we care about the people we look after. It is what it is really. Just hope we continue to stay clear of covid.

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

As a healthcare worker I'd like to say yes

. But truthfully I have seen how tough this is for my friends at home too. My work might be extra stressful right now but at least I'm getting some social interaction.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think they should be given a permanent pay rise and their yearly fee should be abolished. But unless they are doing overtime, I don't see why they should get free extra cash for doing their job.

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By *a LunaWoman over a year ago

South Wales

I know of at least one local authority that has allocated money for care companies to pay a bonus to staff.

There are stipulations etc so that the care companies can’t misappropriate the funds.

This was before the welsh government mentioned giving carers £500 as well, although not heard anything further on that.

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By *V-AliceTV/TS over a year ago

Ayr

"People haven't been given free cash. They're being paid 80% of their usual salary due to the pandemic and not being able to work. Most people wouldn't have been able to survive without it."

How are they going to survive when the furlough ends?

There's 7.5M on the scheme. It's been extended to October to give the Government time to think about how to handle the 2.5M of them that won't have a job to go back to by then.

In October, we'll still be a year away from a vaccine and a lot of restrictions will still be in place.

Even if there is a return to work, it will not be on the same scale as it was pre-Covid 19; in addition, the UK is already in a massive recession.

Millions of people are going to go from 80% of their wages to Universal Credit - just before Christmas.

And all my optimism is based on the notion that there's no further widespread outbreaks due to restrictions being relaxed - and that events in the other economies of the world don't harm our own for any reason.

Things are definitely going to get worse before they get better - and better really isn't going to be as good as it was.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm sat at home on 100% and it wasn't by choice so I certainly do not feel guilty about it but I am grateful the company I work for has ensured we get 100%.

It will be a while yet before we are aloud to work, we are last on the list.

My sister is a carer & her employer is giving them a bonus for continuing to work throughout lockdown.

Your sister is lucky I'm a carer and we just get our basic wage and they have told us we will get nothing extra but maybe a party when it's all over lol

I think her company used it an incentive to continue working & not self isolate as a few of the carers did, as said they were at risk with the elderly.

Hope it's one hell of a party for you! X

Yes, would be sick pay if my sister didn't work. She did say herself it's her job & she does it because she cares so there's reward in doing the job in itself x

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By *hilloutMan over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

"As a healthcare worker I'd like to say yes

. But truthfully I have seen how tough this is for my friends at home too. My work might be extra stressful right now but at least I'm getting some social interaction."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Extra paid leave when things settle down would be a good idea imo.

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By *hilloutMan over a year ago

All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest

"People haven't been given free cash. They're being paid 80% of their usual salary due to the pandemic and not being able to work. Most people wouldn't have been able to survive without it.

How are they going to survive when the furlough ends?

There's 7.5M on the scheme. It's been extended to October to give the Government time to think about how to handle the 2.5M of them that won't have a job to go back to by then.

In October, we'll still be a year away from a vaccine and a lot of restrictions will still be in place.

Even if there is a return to work, it will not be on the same scale as it was pre-Covid 19; in addition, the UK is already in a massive recession.

Millions of people are going to go from 80% of their wages to Universal Credit - just before Christmas.

Things are definitely going to get worse before they get better - and better really isn't going to be as good as it was."

Agreed. People will get massive sticker shock when the bill for all these measures is presented. I've no doubt Sunak has already prepared his speech about how new austerity measures will come into play to plug this extra £300 billion hole being dug as we speak. As an ex Goldman Sachs employee, i'm sure the axe will fall on the side of the those who can least afford to pay, and that's most of us. If you thought previous austerity is bad, you've seen nothing yet.

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By *s.KerryTV/TS over a year ago

Blackpool

When will people understand not ALL furloughed workers had a choice in the decision. It was a decision taken by bosses to try and protect jobs and avoid mass redundancies etc. I do appreciate everything the key workers are doing, especially in the healthcare profession however.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Our daughter works in a end of life care home and she dont get any extra what so ever

Was told if you have time of with any symptoms all you will get is basic sick pay..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People haven't been given free cash. They're being paid 80% of their usual salary due to the pandemic and not being able to work. Most people wouldn't have been able to survive without it.

How are they going to survive when the furlough ends?

There's 7.5M on the scheme. It's been extended to October to give the Government time to think about how to handle the 2.5M of them that won't have a job to go back to by then.

In October, we'll still be a year away from a vaccine and a lot of restrictions will still be in place.

Even if there is a return to work, it will not be on the same scale as it was pre-Covid 19; in addition, the UK is already in a massive recession.

Millions of people are going to go from 80% of their wages to Universal Credit - just before Christmas.

Things are definitely going to get worse before they get better - and better really isn't going to be as good as it was."

I don't have an answer for that.

We're both self employed so have had no furlough, and as tattooers we've both been unable to continue to work.

It's a shit situation for everyone.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

atlantisEVOLUTION Swingers Club. Stoke

"Putting their lives at risk by continuing to work without a single extra penny, while others sit at home on 80%! Surely that can't be fair?!"

Keyworkers (unless they are volunteers) are being paid their salaries.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

People aren’t sat at home through choice, so no. Although I wouldn’t turn it down.

Instead, the government are looking at freezing public sector workers pay instead

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

2 year pay freeze for their efforts

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm sat at home on 100% and it wasn't by choice so I certainly do not feel guilty about it but I am grateful the company I work for has ensured we get 100%.

It will be a while yet before we are aloud to work, we are last on the list.

My sister is a carer & her employer is giving them a bonus for continuing to work throughout lockdown.

Your sister is lucky I'm a carer and we just get our basic wage and they have told us we will get nothing extra but maybe a party when it's all over lol

At least you're gonna get a party!

Everything is relative x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

We asked for a wee increase in our wage to show a little appreciation from the boss man and were given Easter Eggs

I guess that’s all we’re getting

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By *teveanddebsCouple over a year ago

Norwich

I don't have an answer for that.

We're both self employed so have had no furlough, and as tattooers we've both been unable to continue to work.

It's a shit situation for everyone."

Have you claimed the self employed 80% of profits grant?

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By *ab jamesMan over a year ago

ribble valley

Although, I have a huge amount of respect for all key workers, money is going to be tight for many years. If pay increases now, it's less to spend on say medical equipment or new hospitals. To pay careers (love em to bits) more now means costs of care homes will have to increase. Perhaps we need to spend more on stockpiling ppe and ventilators. I'd happy pay more tax towards this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Hubby a lorry driver and he's been sat at home for four weeks now and its doing his head in

He knows it's going to be a while before he's back at work because what work his out there for the haulage firms you'll find every haulage firms around under cutting each other just to get the work xx

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By *ustme34Man over a year ago

Bradford

I've had it both ways.. I was at hone on 80% for 3 weeks and now been back at work on full pay for 4 weeks.

I'd rather be working along as it's safe..

the extra 20% pay for 100% more work doesn't seem to be fair .. specially when people I work with are still sat at home on 80%

At the same time I wouldnt of coped if I'd been laid off with zero wages.

So if it's what keeps the economy going and lets people eat who are we to complain

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

Maybe one day people in this country will realise that people who work in public services / supermarkets/ shops etc... deserve better salaries than they get. We’ve been told for years that we couldn’t give these people a pay rise and suddenly this gvt is splashing the cash like never. The same who told us two years ago that nurses couldn’t get a pay rise, that we had to stop the deficit etc...

A lot of people clap their hands every Thursday for our key workers but six months ago they didn’t seem to bother too much about the same key workers and how they’ve been treated for the last 10 years.

A lot of these key workers and I’m one of them would probably tell you to stop clapping or raise money for them through charity and instead of this pay them decently.

I think there’s a lot of hypocrisy amongst the people who clap. They should look at themselves a bit more and at how the people they’ve voted for have treated these key workers.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People haven't been given free cash. They're being paid 80% of their usual salary due to the pandemic and not being able to work. Most people wouldn't have been able to survive without it.

How are they going to survive when the furlough ends?

There's 7.5M on the scheme. It's been extended to October to give the Government time to think about how to handle the 2.5M of them that won't have a job to go back to by then.

In October, we'll still be a year away from a vaccine and a lot of restrictions will still be in place.

Even if there is a return to work, it will not be on the same scale as it was pre-Covid 19; in addition, the UK is already in a massive recession.

Millions of people are going to go from 80% of their wages to Universal Credit - just before Christmas.

Things are definitely going to get worse before they get better - and better really isn't going to be as good as it was.

I don't have an answer for that.

We're both self employed so have had no furlough, and as tattooers we've both been unable to continue to work.

It's a shit situation for everyone."
there was something on Facebook yesterday about self employed people could claim 1600 pound

Maybe worth a check guy's

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By *oxychicWoman over a year ago

Nottinghamshire

I'm furlough I wouldnt say at home allday is a good thing , tbh if i HAD a choice i be working

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By *acey_RedWoman over a year ago

Liverpool

"People haven't been given free cash. They're being paid 80% of their usual salary due to the pandemic and not being able to work. Most people wouldn't have been able to survive without it.

How are they going to survive when the furlough ends?

There's 7.5M on the scheme. It's been extended to October to give the Government time to think about how to handle the 2.5M of them that won't have a job to go back to by then.

In October, we'll still be a year away from a vaccine and a lot of restrictions will still be in place.

Even if there is a return to work, it will not be on the same scale as it was pre-Covid 19; in addition, the UK is already in a massive recession.

Millions of people are going to go from 80% of their wages to Universal Credit - just before Christmas.

Things are definitely going to get worse before they get better - and better really isn't going to be as good as it was.

I was listening to various experts discussing this on radio 4 in work yesterday. Apparently the biggest cost to the country isn't the furlough scheme or pay outs to businesses. It's the impact of the loss of productivity on our economy. Apparently austerity won't work to fix that as austerity would slow down the economy even more. Even Boris has agreed with this.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don't have an answer for that.

We're both self employed so have had no furlough, and as tattooers we've both been unable to continue to work.

It's a shit situation for everyone.

Have you claimed the self employed 80% of profits grant?"

No. I'm claiming universal credit for now. My rent is cheap and without travel costs I can survive on the 600 quid a month going into my account, plus a little cash from some artwork I'm selling. It's tough, but we're all struggling. I don't wanna take more than I need from the pot.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Maybe one day people in this country will realise that people who work in public services / supermarkets/ shops etc... deserve better salaries than they get. We’ve been told for years that we couldn’t give these people a pay rise and suddenly this gvt is splashing the cash like never. The same who told us two years ago that nurses couldn’t get a pay rise, that we had to stop the deficit etc...

A lot of these key workers and I’m one of them would probably tell you to stop clapping or raise money for them through charity and instead of this pay them decently.

I think there’s a lot of hypocrisy amongst the people who clap. They should look at themselves a bit more and at how the people they’ve voted for have treated these key workers. "
its been the same in the haulage industry for years nobody wants trucks on the road

Dont want to be stuck behind him cant park there driver etc etc

But now they love them all of a sudden but once this gas finished we'll be the scum of the earth again x

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"2 year pay freeze for their efforts "

If the MPs were to forego theirs then that wouldn't be such a bitter pill but given they scrapped all the independent pay review biddies apart from their own I can see them taking part in the austerity to come..

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By *oxychicWoman over a year ago

Nottinghamshire

Plus there nothing fair in this not everyone is getting 80% thousands have lost their job, it's hard times for everyone

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

A lot of these key workers and I’m one of them would probably tell you to stop clapping or raise money for them through charity and instead of this pay them decently.

I think there’s a lot of hypocrisy amongst the people who clap. They should look at themselves a bit more and at how the people they’ve voted for have treated these key workers. "

There is money there when it suits them.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

A lot of these key workers and I’m one of them would probably tell you to stop clapping or raise money for them through charity and instead of this pay them decently.

I think there’s a lot of hypocrisy amongst the people who clap. They should look at themselves a bit more and at how the people they’ve voted for have treated these key workers. its been the same in the haulage industry for years nobody wants trucks on the road

Dont want to be stuck behind him cant park there driver etc etc

But now they love them all of a sudden but once this gas finished we'll be the scum of the earth again x"

Well in this country, anybody who’s asked for decent pay for key workers has been described as a communist. That’s how the right wingers demonise anybody who’s asking for a little more fairness.

A: Nurses deserve a pay rise. We can’t have people who look after the elderly use food banks.

B: (The Daily Mail and the sheep who read it): Get back to Venezuela. You’re going to ruin us all.

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By *ab jamesMan over a year ago

ribble valley

I think the money for furlough is borrowed money, it has to be paid back. Productivity is at a low. The country is hemorrhaging huge amounts of money everyday, now is not the time to raise wages etc, unless taxes are raised substantialy.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"I think the money for furlough is borrowed money, it has to be paid back. Productivity is at a low. The country is hemorrhaging huge amounts of money everyday, now is not the time to raise wages etc, unless taxes are raised substantialy.

We pay less tax than most european countries. I’d like to see the current gvt make the Google, Amazon, Facebook, Starbucks etc... pay their fair share of tax. In this country we always regard the Scandinavian countries as good models for a lot of things but funnily we never mention how highly taxed they are over there. Dogs, bikes etc are taxed. They must be in love with Venezuela. ??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A lot of these key workers and I’m one of them would probably tell you to stop clapping or raise money for them through charity and instead of this pay them decently.

I think there’s a lot of hypocrisy amongst the people who clap. They should look at themselves a bit more and at how the people they’ve voted for have treated these key workers. "

Sorry I appreciate you're having to work through this shit time but I don't think supermarket workers should get higher pay. For what?

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By *agneto.Man over a year ago

Bham

Danger money.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Their pay is a lot higher than ours.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

A lot of these key workers and I’m one of them would probably tell you to stop clapping or raise money for them through charity and instead of this pay them decently.

I think there’s a lot of hypocrisy amongst the people who clap. They should look at themselves a bit more and at how the people they’ve voted for have treated these key workers.

Sorry I appreciate you're having to work through this shit time but I don't think supermarket workers should get higher pay. For what?"

I do not work in a supermarket but I work in a public service although not in the NHS. The savage cuts that this gvt have imposed were not necessary. They were driven by ideology. These guys gave themselves a 10% pay rise a couple of years ago when they said that teachers and nurses couldn’t get a pay rise. To be honest, they were tight to do so because people still vote for them. Why shouldn’t they. Everything in life is down to education but it looks like tabloid brainwashing is more efficient.

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By *etite_delightWoman over a year ago

BunnyLand

That would be nice

who can say no to free cash. However, we are really grateful that charities and loads of chain business help out keyworkers in the hospital I work for.

From free food boxes to sanitary products x Everyone really nice and helpful x x x x

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

No. They shouldn't.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

A lot of these key workers and I’m one of them would probably tell you to stop clapping or raise money for them through charity and instead of this pay them decently.

I think there’s a lot of hypocrisy amongst the people who clap. They should look at themselves a bit more and at how the people they’ve voted for have treated these key workers.

Sorry I appreciate you're having to work through this shit time but I don't think supermarket workers should get higher pay. For what?

The sun and the mail would regularly run stories on people being overpaid in the nhs.

Sadly a lot of their readers have the attention span of a gnat.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

Their pay is a lot higher than ours."

Salaries in France and Germany are lower than here - yes I know it’s not Scandinavia.

. But ask the French to have a royale family that live on taxpayers’ money or tell that the social inequalities we have here are justified and they’ll burn your car! ?? we have the politicians we deserve. When people at the bottom of the pile ( financially I mean) carry on voting for the people who have stuffed them for decades, you know that things will probably never change. Let’s keep clapping! ??

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

"No. They shouldn't."

Great argumentation.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It’s a difficult one Clem, one I’ve thought about a few times. Perhaps danger money could be an option but I don’t think it will happen. It does all seem a bit unfair. I do think paying 80% of people’s salary is very very generous, maybe a bit too generous considering banks are giving mortgage and loan holidays on top of that.

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By *abs..Woman over a year ago

It’s probably more economically viable to pay the subsidised salaries than have everyone claiming all sorts of benefits. It also goes a long way to keeping people available, off the unemployment list and better for their stress levels to know what they have coming in.

When you get in the realms of keyworkers, some are keyworkers but haven’t actually been to work during this time so I don’t think they should receive more. Some keyworkers are in more key dangers zones that others so how would you manage that?

If people are furloughed and in good health - if their contract allows, could always volunteer to do some of the jobs which they’re struggling to cover at the moment.

I would be happier if people got paid a fair wage. Some jobs put you more at risk, that’s life I suppose but you should still be valued and paid accordingly.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Their pay is a lot higher than ours.

Salaries in France and Germany are lower than here - yes I know it’s not Scandinavia.

I do quite like That bolshy streak the French have.

We are very timid in comparison.

Agree completely btw.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

No. I'm doing my job because it's the right thing to do, in a time of extraordinary circumstances. Head down and get it done. Now isnt the time to discuss such matters especially with so much disparity.

Do soldiers get deployed to a warzone and aside from the normal extra allowance suddenly demanding bonuses?

Recognition of everyones roles is needed and required for future reviews, but demanding cash right now is in bad taste.

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By *exy7Man over a year ago

Bristol

Their pay is a lot higher than ours.

Salaries in France and Germany are lower than here - yes I know it’s not Scandinavia.

I do quite like That bolshy streak the French have.

We are very timid in comparison.

Agree completely btw."

The coverage of the gilets jaunes in this country was really interesting by the way. They were obviously very vociferous but the hype about them here was blown out of proportion. That’s how you keep the mob in check.

The working class over there wouldn’t accept the stark inequalities we have here. People are too resigned about their ‘social class’ in our country. It’s as if they knew their place and don’t dare rocking the boat.

They might be a bit extreme over there but they don’t let themselves manipulate in the same way as most of us Brits do. But more importantly they are more politically savvy and knowledgeable than most Brits. A lot of people don’t give a toss about politics here. They’re easy to keep in check.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

All we've had so far is 'can you do more overtime' messages as we're so busy, not a thank you or sod all.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

Their pay is a lot higher than ours.

Salaries in France and Germany are lower than here - yes I know it’s not Scandinavia.

I do quite like That bolshy streak the French have.

We are very timid in comparison.

Agree completely btw.

Agree totally.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man over a year ago

salisbury

Of course when the tax goes up to pay for the furlough, the key workers will still have to pay back the money they never recieved. Double fucked.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Perhaps it's time to look at key workers paying less or no tax on their wages?

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man over a year ago

salisbury

"Perhaps it's time to look at key workers paying less or no tax on their wages?"

Can't imagine the Tories going for that!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I think they should be given a permanent pay rise and their yearly fee should be abolished. But unless they are doing overtime, I don't see why they should get free extra cash for doing their job."

Aldi worker told me he got a 10% pay rise due to crisis. It's bloody brilliant when workers are recognised the sacrifices they make.

I think most people just want a fair wage for what they do. Formal carers are amongst minimum wage staff, support workers pay depend on their level and also are low paid.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I don’t work as such. I own a number of houses and live off the rent from them. five houses haven’t paid rent for two months now. I know I’m more fortunate than my tenants so don’t mind too much. However two more months of it and it maybe a different story.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Perhaps it's time to look at key workers paying less or no tax on their wages?"

No chance.

It's just noise they are making now..when this is over we will be back to normal..cuts and pay freezes.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Perhaps it's time to look at key workers paying less or no tax on their wages?

No chance.

It's just noise they are making now..when this is over we will be back to normal..cuts and pay freezes."

That’s because we will have too. No other choice.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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O o O oo

"Putting their lives at risk by continuing to work without a single extra penny, while others sit at home on 80%! Surely that can't be fair?!"

It isn't out of choice, the Government asked them to do it

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Perhaps it's time to look at key workers paying less or no tax on their wages?

No chance.

It's just noise they are making now..when this is over we will be back to normal..cuts and pay freezes.

That’s because we will have too. No other choice. "

There is always choice.we are about to spunk billions on a train route which will save minutes of a train journey.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I've worked throughout (residential/dementia care) and don't expect any extra

What I do expect is safe (as possible) working conditions and adequate PPE, which I have been fortunate enough to get

Our company is paying everyone 30% on top of their hourly rate for all hours worked over 30 hours a week.

I'm not a lover of this £500 grant the Welsh Government is giving though as they have (for whatever reason) chosen to exclude our domestic and kitchen staff. We couldn't do our jobs without their support.

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

"Putting their lives at risk by continuing to work without a single extra penny, while others sit at home on 80%! Surely that can't be fair?!"

People dieing and getting sick isn't fair either is it ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Many people on furlough may soon discover they have no jobs to go back to. So I would rather be on full pay whilst still very much employed, than at home on 80% with worry.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I must admit i am a bit envious of people getting paid to sit at home but then again i could not afford to live off only 80% of my wages so grateful i am still at work."

As I'm still at work and thus on 100% of my wages, can I ask if you have to pay tax on that?

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By *ovegames42Man over a year ago

london

Iv been working full time right throughout.

My bonus is probably sitting at the end of all the rainbows I keep seeing.

Just happy to still be at work and not stuck inside.

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

"100% They should get paid extra.

Jo.Xx "

I’m a key worker & my employer is refusing to allow us to carry over our annual leave for the next two years, as per new government guidelines. Our holiday year ends at the end of August, unlike the majority whose ends in December.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

Redesign the whole scheme if you disagree with parts of it. It was introduced fairly quickly and I'd expected some adjustments if it were to be introduced.

What we've seen is that many essential jobs are paid at too low a rate, so some adjustments need to be made there. The government has been putting off alignment of the care services with the health services, which is a much overdue change to be made.

If you are willing for more people to get paid more, it needs a broader willingness to contribute more via tax.

Whilst we are in this situation, many security guards have got infected and died too - they have a disproportionate level of BAME staff.

I would have preferred a universal basic income for all citizens instead of the various schemes.

We've extended the private profit, with government, public funded, risk situation, much appreciated by the very wealthy. We probably should be clarifying what level of risk and provision private businesses should be expected to hold in future, so that most of the cost isn't funded by taxpayers, when shareholders dividends could be reduced, to help fund corporate risk insurance etc. There have now been repeated multi-billion bailouts paid by the public to corporations who have paid out £millions in bonuses and dividends, which should have reflected their levels of investment risk and real costs, when the public guaranteed those £millions, as the poorest struggled to deal with poverty.

A broader review of who pays the most, via reduced life expectancy, poorer opportunities etc, alongside remuneration is needed.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"100% They should get paid extra.

Jo.Xx

So you miss out on holidays.?

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By *arbellsWoman over a year ago

Cambridge

I'm still working (work in transport and keeping supermarket arctics lorries and delivery vans on the road etc) I don't need extra money, the way I look at it I'm lucky I've got a job and am paying my bill. Where does this extra money cone from?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am A level 2 NHS staff on near minimum wage and govt is discussing a pay freeze and more tax because of furlough workers off while I have to work I think it is a slap in the face.

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By *xtra4funMan over a year ago

Ashford

I would look at the ACAS website for advice. You should be able to either carry over up to 4 weeks or be allowed to take you holiday in the current year and receive full pay.

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By *lem-H-Fandango OP Man over a year ago

salisbury

"I am A level 2 NHS staff on near minimum wage and govt is discussing a pay freeze and more tax because of furlough workers off while I have to work I think it is a slap in the face."

Disgusting way to be treated.

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By *ab jamesMan over a year ago

ribble valley

"100% They should get paid extra.

Jo.Xx

So you miss out on holidays.?"

You are protected by law. Your employer has to ensure that you take at least 28days a year.

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By *eah BabyCouple over a year ago

Cheshire, Windermere ,Cumbria

"I would look at the ACAS website for advice. You should be able to either carry over up to 4 weeks or be allowed to take you holiday in the current year and receive full pay.

ACAS is a waste of time they just say it’s down to the employer if you can carry holidays over, some are even making their employees take a percentage of holidays while on Furlough so they haven’t got lots of holidays to take when they do go back to work or I suppose if they get made redundant there’s no holiday pay to fork out on top.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"I am A level 2 NHS staff on near minimum wage and govt is discussing a pay freeze and more tax because of furlough workers off while I have to work I think it is a slap in the face."

2 years apparently.Thats the thanks you get.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"100% They should get paid extra.

Jo.Xx

Are you in a union?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I am a key worker (healthcare) and to be honest we are getting paid to do what we signed up for. We knew what the job entailed. It’s vocational and not the right career for those won want 9-5 Mon-Fri and every bank holiday off.

Hopefully our rates of pay might get reviewed after all the positive publicity.

Miss V

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"100% They should get paid extra.

Jo.Xx

Small or large business?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Perhaps it's time to look at key workers paying less or no tax on their wages?"

it would never work, many people are still working from home and haven’t taken anything out of the pot, how would they make sure those people didnt put in for a while and even if they could do the admin they can’t afford it

i take the OPs point about it not being fair, im working from home probably almost double my full time hours for nothing extra so would i like to be sat at home sunbathing in the garden for a few months in exchange for a small pay cut ... possibly

but would i like to be at home worrying about how to save from that 80% because it might soon be zero and i need to prepare for the worst... definitely not

its a crap situation for people all round, so no its not fair but life rarely is and nobody chose this situation we just have to make the best of the one we got landed with

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Perhaps it's time to look at key workers paying less or no tax on their wages?

but would i like to be at home worrying about how to save from that 80% because it might soon be zero and i need to prepare for the worst... definitely not

its a crap situation for people all round, so no its not fair but life rarely is and nobody chose this situation we just have to make the best of the one we got landed with

i did like the suggestion someone made of extra annual leave though, particularly since our furloughed colleagues will have a full entitlement when they come back and be due even more time off

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"100% They should get paid extra.

Jo.Xx

the guideline was only that it is now allowable to carry them forward(tax benefit wise), not that employers have to let you ... however if they dont let you carry them they have to let you take them

you didnt say if you were unable to take them or just didnt want to because you cant use the time to get away just now , if its the latter unfortunately its tough luck

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"100% They should get paid extra.

Jo.Xx

Small or large business? "

Just to point out that bosses may say one thing but their employers something else. I had a boss who stated we had to use all annual leave by December (even though our year was the same as the financial year April to March) with nothing to carry over. And yet the Trust allowed a week to be carried over into the next year. Why the lie? Cos she (her departmental budget) was "fined" if anyone did that.

In other words the culture bred the lie.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"People haven't been given free cash. They're being paid 80% of their usual salary due to the pandemic and not being able to work. Most people wouldn't have been able to survive without it.

How are they going to survive when the furlough ends?

There's 7.5M on the scheme. It's been extended to October to give the Government time to think about how to handle the 2.5M of them that won't have a job to go back to by then.

In October, we'll still be a year away from a vaccine and a lot of restrictions will still be in place.

Even if there is a return to work, it will not be on the same scale as it was pre-Covid 19; in addition, the UK is already in a massive recession.

Millions of people are going to go from 80% of their wages to Universal Credit - just before Christmas.

Things are definitely going to get worse before they get better - and better really isn't going to be as good as it was."

is it not better to go from an extended period of 80% to universal credit with substantiatial notice to allow then to save as much and get their finances in as best shape possible, than to just go from 100% to universal credit at the start of lockdown

just because it will have to end sometime doesn’t mean it was a bad plan to put in place

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By *alandNitaCouple over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Putting their lives at risk by continuing to work without a single extra penny, while others sit at home on 80%! Surely that can't be fair?!"

Maybe everyone who has worked through the lock-down should be exempt from the tax rises that will be needed to pay for it?

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By *luebell888Woman over a year ago

Glasgowish

Just been informed that i will be getting £2 per shift extra in my wages whilst working during the virus. That is a grand total of £28 extra a month as we do 12hr shifts

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Putting their lives at risk by continuing to work without a single extra penny, while others sit at home on 80%! Surely that can't be fair?!

Maybe everyone who has worked through the lock-down should be exempt from the tax rises that will be needed to pay for it?"

This I agree with

There shouldn't be any tax increases for key workers to recoup the losses from the furlough scheme

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Everyone may get free cash. It's an economic theory to get the economy moving by giving everyone, say £1500, to spend. It's being considered.

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By *alandNitaCouple over a year ago

Scunthorpe

It does seem ironic that the public sector who have been working through the lockdown, will probably be the worst hit financially in the future. Public sector wages will undoubtedly be frozen for years and budgets cut... meaning that jobs will need to be cut too.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"It does seem ironic that the public sector who have been working through the lockdown, will probably be the worst hit financially in the future. Public sector wages will undoubtedly be frozen for years and budgets cut... meaning that jobs will need to be cut too."

So all their platitudes mean nothing.

Who would have thought it?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I got a free Easter egg from M&S when I had my badge on.

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By *ilmissplumpyWoman over a year ago

Wolverhampton

"We asked for a wee increase in our wage to show a little appreciation from the boss man and were given Easter Eggs

I guess that’s all we’re getting "

Funnily enough my employer (NHS trust) gave us all Easter Eggs this year...

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By *itonmyfacebookMan over a year ago

Burton on Trent

"Putting their lives at risk by continuing to work without a single extra penny, while others sit at home on 80%! Surely that can't be fair?!"

Also only get SSP if have to isolate.

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By *itonmyfacebookMan over a year ago

Burton on Trent

"Putting their lives at risk by continuing to work without a single extra penny, while others sit at home on 80%! Surely that can't be fair?!

Also only get SSP if have to isolate."

They're stupid uneducated, unskilled plebs. They can't even understand what Be Alert! means. They deserve nothing!

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By *rotic-TouchTV/TS over a year ago

doncaster

"Putting their lives at risk by continuing to work without a single extra penny, while others sit at home on 80%! Surely that can't be fair?!

Also only get SSP if have to isolate.

They're stupid uneducated, unskilled plebs. They can't even understand what Be Alert! means. They deserve nothing! "
how vile !!!

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By *arbellsWoman over a year ago

Cambridge

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By *arbellsWoman over a year ago

Cambridge

"Putting their lives at risk by continuing to work without a single extra penny, while others sit at home on 80%! Surely that can't be fair?!

Also only get SSP if have to isolate.

They're stupid uneducated, unskilled plebs. They can't even understand what Be Alert! means. They deserve nothing! "

Who are unskilled plebs?

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By *oodnitegirlWoman over a year ago

Yorkshire

"100% They should get paid extra.

Jo.Xx

Get to the union!

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By *ools and the brainCouple over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

I'm classed as a key worker.

Been made to work throughout by employer didn't have a choice.

98% of the company have been on furlough but due to the nature of the contract we work on we have had to keep working.

Our reward for putting ourselves in jeopardy daily?

Been told that redundancies are certain over the coming months.

Thanks

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By *oodnitegirlWoman over a year ago

Yorkshire

"Putting their lives at risk by continuing to work without a single extra penny, while others sit at home on 80%! Surely that can't be fair?!

Also only get SSP if have to isolate.

They're stupid uneducated, unskilled plebs. They can't even understand what Be Alert! means. They deserve nothing! "

So, is a brain surgeon or your GP an ‘unskilled pleb’ too?

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By *alandNitaCouple over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"Putting their lives at risk by continuing to work without a single extra penny, while others sit at home on 80%! Surely that can't be fair?!

Also only get SSP if have to isolate.

They're stupid uneducated, unskilled plebs. They can't even understand what Be Alert! means. They deserve nothing!

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So, is a brain surgeon or your GP an ‘unskilled pleb’ too?"

They should obviously be working from home... as should nurses, police, fire, shop keepers, etc...

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By *oodnitegirlWoman over a year ago

Yorkshire

I think the real shitter Is the fact that many of them are having to do extra hours to cover their colleagues that are self-isolating/off-sick, yes I know this is reflected in their wage but not only can they not self-isolate they are going out MORE!

I’m a healthcare professional in a community setting, my dad lets my sister in his house to deliver his shopping, but I If I do it I have to stand and shout at him through the window like some kind of leper because ‘I’ve been near the patients’.

It’s simply exhausting, both physically and emotionally but I love my job, I just worry about things afterwards like will we all be disappointed re:annual leave next year when we are all desperate to go? I’d kill for one of those caravan holidays that the sun can do for £9 - just to sleep and drink wine on the decking.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I have been working throughout.

I really would love to just have a week off.

And to be honest i am.not on the front line,working in hospitals or shops and risking my life daily.

Those who are on the front line definitely deserve something.

Doubt that those in Westminster will give them anything though other than mocking them when refusing to increase their pay or condesending claps.

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

this free cash you talk of you do realise its not free its gona be paid back in higher taxes and as someobe else pointed out most would rather be back at work earning 100%.myself im having to choose what bills im paying as none off them have dropped 20%.sounds great sit at home and get 80% but peeps are getting into debt.ive never owed anyone anything yet already im starring to get into debt

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By *andR Staffs cplCouple over a year ago

here and there

I (J) am classed as a key worker and am receiving extra for as long as we attend work. As this has come at the expense of higher management in my employers taking pay cuts, I'm extremely grateful.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I know if you ask most people and ask them "do you think nurses and doctors should get paid more?", most say definitely yes. But how much do they actually get paid? What I mean is a tangible comparison, so if you put it in to an hourly rate , plus pensions, holiday etc.

It's a well asked question, but we never get the proper information to make an informed answer.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Putting their lives at risk by continuing to work without a single extra penny, while others sit at home on 80%! Surely that can't be fair?!

Maybe everyone who has worked through the lock-down should be exempt from the tax rises that will be needed to pay for it?"

So those that have already been subject to a 20% decrease in wages should then penalised for that by tax rises when they can return to work? That hardly seems fair for those people who will be already suffering financially through no fault of their own.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I know if you ask most people and ask them "do you think nurses and doctors should get paid more?", most say definitely yes. But how much do they actually get paid? What I mean is a tangible comparison, so if you put it in to an hourly rate , plus pensions, holiday etc.

It's a well asked question, but we never get the proper information to make an informed answer."

Do you have a 2:1 degree? Aldi may employ you on a £44,000 starting wage in management.

An assistant manager starts on around 32,000 rising to just under 40,000 in 4 years. A newly qualified nurse (with an honours degree) starts on around £24,000, a newly appointed junior sister gets around 32 and takes 8 years to get to 38.

Nurses have lives in their hands, aldi management do not and yet "same" qualification has a £20,000 difference.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"this free cash you talk of you do realise its not free its gona be paid back in higher taxes and as someobe else pointed out most would rather be back at work earning 100%.myself im having to choose what bills im paying as none off them have dropped 20%.sounds great sit at home and get 80% but peeps are getting into debt.ive never owed anyone anything yet already im starring to get into debt"

have you sat down and looked at your outgoings and what you can reduce? for example expensive tv contracts, cancelling gym memberships, surely kids (if you have them) sports club and hobbies have all stopped and no longer paid for, switching energy provider for a cheaper deal, and for most people not working their petrol costs should be almost down to zero

im sure martin lewis has lots of helpful suggestions on his website

because they provide 80% of gross pay , on the average uk wage (£29k as per google) after tax and national insurance you actually only see a take home drop of 17%, the lower towards minimum wage you go, the lower the drop becomes too so someone who works 35 hours a week on minimum wage sees just under 15% drop ... pretty sure thats why they decided to do it as 80% of gross before tax, because then the lowest paid who most likely have the tightest budgets, actually see the lowest drop

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's a well asked question, but we never get the proper information to make an informed answer.

Do you have a 2:1 degree? Aldi may employ you on a £44,000 starting wage in management.

Nurses have lives in their hands, aldi management do not and yet "same" qualification has a £20,000 difference. "

Not everyone is on salary, an hourly rate is a more tangible comparison.

Also an Aldi manager isn't really a good example, how many Aldi assistant managers are there compared with nurses? I and alot of other people are greatfull of anyone who is good at there job, be it a cleaner or a surgeon. Starting off on £12-£13 per hour, a good holiday structure, very generous maternity and full sick pay, a sister starting on 32k would probably be £24 per hour with the associated benefits. Is that badly paid?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's a well asked question, but we never get the proper information to make an informed answer.

Do you have a 2:1 degree? Aldi may employ you on a £44,000 starting wage in management.

Nurses have lives in their hands, aldi management do not and yet "same" qualification has a £20,000 difference.

Not everyone is on salary, an hourly rate is a more tangible comparison.

The example of having attained a degree is comparing like with like so 24,000 grand vs 44,000.

And you imply 32,000 is good pay, but that isn't your standard staff nurse.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's a well asked question, but we never get the proper information to make an informed answer.

Do you have a 2:1 degree? Aldi may employ you on a £44,000 starting wage in management.

Nurses have lives in their hands, aldi management do not and yet "same" qualification has a £20,000 difference.

Not everyone is on salary, an hourly rate is a more tangible comparison.

The example of having attained a degree is comparing like with like so 24,000 grand vs 44,000.

And you imply 32,000 is good pay, but that isn't your standard staff nurse. "

and an aldi manager isnt your standard aldi employee

i dont disagree that the pay is low for a difficult job, but i do agree that the type of comparison being drawn doesnt really work

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's a well asked question, but we never get the proper information to make an informed answer.

Do you have a 2:1 degree? Aldi may employ you on a £44,000 starting wage in management.

Nurses have lives in their hands, aldi management do not and yet "same" qualification has a £20,000 difference.

Not everyone is on salary, an hourly rate is a more tangible comparison.

The example of having attained a degree is comparing like with like so 24,000 grand vs 44,000.

And you imply 32,000 is good pay, but that isn't your standard staff nurse.

and an aldi manager isnt your standard aldi employee

i dont disagree that the pay is low for a difficult job, but i do agree that the type of comparison being drawn doesnt really work "

Why? They are both degree jobs. An assistant manager doesn't require a degree, but still enjoys a much higher starting wage.

Did you know that if a nurse administers a medication prescribed in error by a doctor, the nurse faces disciplinary action?

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By *ary_ArgyllMan over a year ago

Argyll

"When will people understand not ALL furloughed workers had a choice in the decision. It was a decision taken by bosses to try and protect jobs and avoid mass redundancies etc. I do appreciate everything the key workers are doing, especially in the healthcare profession however. "

I agree - staff on furlough are not doing it through choice, it's to try and keep businesses viable during this crisis.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's a well asked question, but we never get the proper information to make an informed answer.

Do you have a 2:1 degree? Aldi may employ you on a £44,000 starting wage in management.

Nurses have lives in their hands, aldi management do not and yet "same" qualification has a £20,000 difference.

Not everyone is on salary, an hourly rate is a more tangible comparison.

The example of having attained a degree is comparing like with like so 24,000 grand vs 44,000.

And you imply 32,000 is good pay, but that isn't your standard staff nurse.

and an aldi manager isnt your standard aldi employee

i dont disagree that the pay is low for a difficult job, but i do agree that the type of comparison being drawn doesnt really work

Why? They are both degree jobs. An assistant manager doesn't require a degree, but still enjoys a much higher starting wage.

Did you know that if a nurse administers a medication prescribed in error by a doctor, the nurse faces disciplinary action? "

so then compare a nurse to a doctor then

a retail management role also doesn't need a degree , and most supermarkets are paying nothing near that ... i used to work as an admin manager for a well known supermarket chain, contracted 43 ours per week , realistically expected to work 50+ for £18k

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's a well asked question, but we never get the proper information to make an informed answer.

Do you have a 2:1 degree? Aldi may employ you on a £44,000 starting wage in management.

Nurses have lives in their hands, aldi management do not and yet "same" qualification has a £20,000 difference.

Not everyone is on salary, an hourly rate is a more tangible comparison.

The example of having attained a degree is comparing like with like so 24,000 grand vs 44,000.

And you imply 32,000 is good pay, but that isn't your standard staff nurse.

and an aldi manager isnt your standard aldi employee

i dont disagree that the pay is low for a difficult job, but i do agree that the type of comparison being drawn doesnt really work

Why? They are both degree jobs. An assistant manager doesn't require a degree, but still enjoys a much higher starting wage.

Did you know that if a nurse administers a medication prescribed in error by a doctor, the nurse faces disciplinary action?

so then compare a nurse to a doctor then

Aldi are known for their generous packages.

As for comparing nurses and doctors, they are not comparable with regards to length of education (accountability and responsibility yes).

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By *lassy lady 216Woman over a year ago

Craigavon

Yes i do believe that we should get "free cash as you put it op we are the ones on the frontline risking our lives and that of our families if people that are on furlough arent happy and bored sitting at home let them come and do our jobs havent seen too many of them volunteering for the different rolls when thry were advertised and i bet they arent paying tax on the money they are getting like us and dont forget it will be all of us paying for everyone that is on furlough when this is all over as we will be paying more tax i have stopped clapping on a thurs nite because it just makes my blood boil when i see all the hypocrites who a few months ago where giving out because we were standing out in the freezing cold and pissing rain demanding better pay the whole 4 nations are a disgrace

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Yes i do believe that we should get "free cash as you put it op we are the ones on the frontline risking our lives and that of our families if people that are on furlough arent happy and bored sitting at home let them come and do our jobs havent seen too many of them volunteering for the different rolls when thry were advertised and i bet they arent paying tax on the money they are getting like us and dont forget it will be all of us paying for everyone that is on furlough when this is all over as we will be paying more tax i have stopped clapping on a thurs nite because it just makes my blood boil when i see all the hypocrites who a few months ago where giving out because we were standing out in the freezing cold and pissing rain demanding better pay the whole 4 nations are a disgrace "

people are paying tax on furlough ; it also wasnt their choice to be furloughed so i think your frustration is being misdirected at the wrong people

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's a well asked question, but we never get the proper information to make an informed answer.

Do you have a 2:1 degree? Aldi may employ you on a £44,000 starting wage in management.

Nurses have lives in their hands, aldi management do not and yet "same" qualification has a £20,000 difference.

Not everyone is on salary, an hourly rate is a more tangible comparison.

The example of having attained a degree is comparing like with like so 24,000 grand vs 44,000.

And you imply 32,000 is good pay, but that isn't your standard staff nurse.

and an aldi manager isnt your standard aldi employee

i dont disagree that the pay is low for a difficult job, but i do agree that the type of comparison being drawn doesnt really work

Why? They are both degree jobs. An assistant manager doesn't require a degree, but still enjoys a much higher starting wage.

Did you know that if a nurse administers a medication prescribed in error by a doctor, the nurse faces disciplinary action?

so then compare a nurse to a doctor then

Aldi are known for their generous packages.

As for comparing nurses and doctors, they are not comparable with regards to length of education (accountability and responsibility yes). "

"As a doctor in training you’ll earn a basic salary, plus pay for any hours over 40 per week, a 37 per cent enhancement for working nights, a weekend allowance for any work at the weekend, an availability allowance if you are required to be available on-call, and other potential pay premia.

In Foundation training, you will earn a basic salary of £28,243 to £32,691 (from 1 April 2020).

If you’re a doctor starting your specialist training in 2020 your basic salary will be £38,693 to £49,036."

Doctors start earning as an F1. I think that is year four of training. So that would be the same as a newly qualified nurse.

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By *eavenscentitCouple over a year ago

barnstaple

"2 year pay freeze for their efforts "

It'll be more and they will look at terms & conditions as well

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"2 year pay freeze for their efforts

It'll be more and they will look at terms & conditions as well"

They sure know how to make you feel valued

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I work in healthcare and been working full-time for no extra pay.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's a well asked question, but we never get the proper information to make an informed answer.

Do you have a 2:1 degree? Aldi may employ you on a £44,000 starting wage in management.

Nurses have lives in their hands, aldi management do not and yet "same" qualification has a £20,000 difference.

Not everyone is on salary, an hourly rate is a more tangible comparison.

The example of having attained a degree is comparing like with like so 24,000 grand vs 44,000.

And you imply 32,000 is good pay, but that isn't your standard staff nurse.

and an aldi manager isnt your standard aldi employee

i dont disagree that the pay is low for a difficult job, but i do agree that the type of comparison being drawn doesnt really work

Why? They are both degree jobs. An assistant manager doesn't require a degree, but still enjoys a much higher starting wage.

Did you know that if a nurse administers a medication prescribed in error by a doctor, the nurse faces disciplinary action?

so then compare a nurse to a doctor then

Aldi are known for their generous packages.

As for comparing nurses and doctors, they are not comparable with regards to length of education (accountability and responsibility yes).

In Foundation training, you will earn a basic salary of £28,243 to £32,691 (from 1 April 2020).

If you’re a doctor starting your specialist training in 2020 your basic salary will be £38,693 to £49,036."

Doctors start earning as an F1. I think that is year four of training. So that would be the same as a newly qualified nurse.

So how much do think nurses ought to be payed? Obviously as you say a doctor has a greater level of responsibility so their pay ought to be more. Instead of salary based comparisons an hourly rate would be good for ease of comparing, like I say is £23 ish per hour basic bad money plus pensions, plus full sick pay, plus very generous maternity, plus good holiday provisions (based on your 32k junior sister). Talking annual salaries can mask good and bad money.

Lots of people have responsibilities that they can be held accountable for, money is not the scale of responsibility.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It's a well asked question, but we never get the proper information to make an informed answer.

Do you have a 2:1 degree? Aldi may employ you on a £44,000 starting wage in management.

Nurses have lives in their hands, aldi management do not and yet "same" qualification has a £20,000 difference.

Not everyone is on salary, an hourly rate is a more tangible comparison.

The example of having attained a degree is comparing like with like so 24,000 grand vs 44,000.

And you imply 32,000 is good pay, but that isn't your standard staff nurse.

and an aldi manager isnt your standard aldi employee

i dont disagree that the pay is low for a difficult job, but i do agree that the type of comparison being drawn doesnt really work

Why? They are both degree jobs. An assistant manager doesn't require a degree, but still enjoys a much higher starting wage.

Did you know that if a nurse administers a medication prescribed in error by a doctor, the nurse faces disciplinary action?

so then compare a nurse to a doctor then

Aldi are known for their generous packages.

As for comparing nurses and doctors, they are not comparable with regards to length of education (accountability and responsibility yes).

In Foundation training, you will earn a basic salary of £28,243 to £32,691 (from 1 April 2020).

If you’re a doctor starting your specialist training in 2020 your basic salary will be £38,693 to £49,036."

Doctors start earning as an F1. I think that is year four of training. So that would be the same as a newly qualified nurse.

Lots of people have responsibilities that they can be held accountable for, money is not the scale of responsibility."

No I didn't say doctors have more responsibility.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Apologies.

So is £23ish per hour with the added benefits a bad wage?

What would you like it to be?

Very interested what is classed as a good hourly rate.

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By *eddy and legsCouple over a year ago

the wetlands

"I am A level 2 NHS staff on near minimum wage and govt is discussing a pay freeze and more tax because of furlough workers off while I have to work I think it is a slap in the face.

2 years apparently.Thats the thanks you get."

There will be plenty of money, Boris told us that Brexit is a fantastic opportunity so after December we will be rolling in money

Boris wouldn't lie

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Apologies.

So is £23ish per hour with the added benefits a bad wage?

What would you like it to be?

Very interested what is classed as a good hourly rate."

32,000 a year for newly qualified nurses? Fuck yeah

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"I am A level 2 NHS staff on near minimum wage and govt is discussing a pay freeze and more tax because of furlough workers off while I have to work I think it is a slap in the face.

2 years apparently.Thats the thanks you get.

There will be plenty of money, Boris told us that Brexit is a fantastic opportunity so after December we will be rolling in money

Boris wouldn't lie"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Apologies.

So is £23ish per hour with the added benefits a bad wage?

What would you like it to be?

Very interested what is classed as a good hourly rate.

32,000 a year for newly qualified nurses? Fuck yeah

Nicely answered

So when you add up the total package on your 24k you would be getting up there, a positive result

Always in pay matters that's banded about it's abit of smoke and mirrors, changing the question in to an hourly rate which alot of private sector jobs are given in, which isn't done especially by the media would be a more honest way of asking should some get payed more. You will never usually here an annual salary of a careworker..... In fact they never say how much a nurse is on.....

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By *ust RachelTV/TS over a year ago

Horsham

Maybe not free cash, but certainly something to show the company's gratitude.

Like someone mentioned a party in a hotel, or maybe a few extra days holiday.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

As front liner I would say we should get bonus or a pay rise. But I’m just doin the job I do.

I know carers are getting a bonus and prison staff given a bonus but nhs not as we had a 1% pay rise lol when govt have huge rise plus 10k to help work at home.

Am jealous of friends getting enjoy hone and sun etc and chilling on 80-100% wages as I go in daily. I’ve just done 3 week stretch and now have 3 days to recover.

So yes all front liners no matter the role deserve something extra

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By *dnlawCouple over a year ago

buckhurst hill

A lot of these key workers and I’m one of them would probably tell you to stop clapping or raise money for them through charity and instead of this pay them decently.

I think there’s a lot of hypocrisy amongst the people who clap. They should look at themselves a bit more and at how the people they’ve voted for have treated these key workers. "

all this clapping nonsense doesnt pay their bills. Ffs, pay them what they are worth. We wouldnt think twice paying our hairdressers plumbers electricians etc £20, 30, 40 an hour.

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By *dnlawCouple over a year ago

buckhurst hill

"Of course when the tax goes up to pay for the furlough, the key workers will still have to pay back the money they never recieved. Double fucked. "

been happening to docs & nurses for last 13years.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A lot of these key workers and I’m one of them would probably tell you to stop clapping or raise money for them through charity and instead of this pay them decently.

I think there’s a lot of hypocrisy amongst the people who clap. They should look at themselves a bit more and at how the people they’ve voted for have treated these key workers.

all this clapping nonsense doesnt pay their bills. Ffs, pay them what they are worth. We wouldnt think twice paying our hairdressers plumbers electricians etc £20, 30, 40 an hour."

How much an hour would you set a newly qualified nurse at?

The hair dresser,plumbers,electricians are self employed or work for a private company. Holiday pay, insurance etc, sick pay (other than basic) is included in that hourly rate. I would personally be happy to start a nurse on £20-30 an hour on a self employed basis like the trades, seems fair.

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By *ools and the brainCouple over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

The problem with the NHS is the banding system is complicated and frankly dated.

It worked well when people used to get yearly increments and people would steadily move up the pay scale with length of service,since the pay freeze people can be stuck on the same pay for years.

The other thing this government has done on the sly is the slow phasing out of the band 5 nurses and upskilling care assistants to do basically the same job with a few important differences for far less money.

It's a scam.

Rather than upskill and move up band 4 or train a whole new set of nurses.

If you go into a hospital it's not just doctor's and nurses they have created a wide gamut of roles to save money getting people to do jobs qualified nurses used to do.

Training less nurses.

Bringing in cheap labour from other sources.

Much like many other industries .

So it's simply not a case of giving nurses a payrise as the government will worm their way out of paying everyone and giving equal payrises.

The scales need to be simplified.

Make nurse training more attractive financially.

Let medical staff be in charge of medical decisions not accountants.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The problem with the NHS is the banding system is complicated and frankly dated.

It worked well when people used to get yearly increments and people would steadily move up the pay scale with length of service,since the pay freeze people can be stuck on the same pay for years.

It's a scam.

Rather than upskill and move up band 4 or train a whole new set of nurses.

If you go into a hospital it's not just doctor's and nurses they have created a wide gamut of roles to save money getting people to do jobs qualified nurses used to do.

Training less nurses.

Bringing in cheap labour from other sources.

Much like many other industries .

So it's simply not a case of giving nurses a payrise as the government will worm their way out of paying everyone and giving equal payrises.

The scales need to be simplified.

Make nurse training more attractive financially.

Let medical staff be in charge of medical decisions not accountants."

What are you on about re band 5? When the pay banding was in letters:

A - auxiliary nurses

B - Community auxiliary nurses

C - (extremely rare but like an enrolled nurse but couldn't administer meds)

D - enrolled nurses, junior staff nurse

E - registered nurses, senior staff nurse

F - junior sister

G - ward sister/ward manager

Then agenda for change

Auxiliaries were being recognised as achieving a certain level of training and you could align the levels of NVQs with banding.

2,3,4 healthcare assistants (and other titles).

4 - is now associate nurse (2 years uni, ie associates degree)

5 - staff nurse (amalgamation of previous D and E).

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The problem with the NHS is the banding system is complicated and frankly dated.

It worked well when people used to get yearly increments and people would steadily move up the pay scale with length of service,since the pay freeze people can be stuck on the same pay for years.

It's a scam.

Rather than upskill and move up band 4 or train a whole new set of nurses.

If you go into a hospital it's not just doctor's and nurses they have created a wide gamut of roles to save money getting people to do jobs qualified nurses used to do.

Training less nurses.

Bringing in cheap labour from other sources.

Much like many other industries .

So it's simply not a case of giving nurses a payrise as the government will worm their way out of paying everyone and giving equal payrises.

The scales need to be simplified.

Make nurse training more attractive financially.

Let medical staff be in charge of medical decisions not accountants.

What are you on about re band 5? When the pay banding was in letters:

A - auxiliary nurses

B - Community auxiliary nurses

C - (extremely rare but like an enrolled nurse but couldn't administer meds)

D - enrolled nurses, junior staff nurse

E - registered nurses, senior staff nurse

F - junior sister

G - ward sister/ward manager

Then agenda for change

Auxiliaries were being recognised as achieving a certain level of training and you could align the levels of NVQs with banding.

2,3,4 healthcare assistants (and other titles).

4 - is now associate nurse (2 years uni, ie associates degree)

5 - staff nurse (amalgamation of previous D and E).

5 - is now degree with honours (3 years).

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By *rettyGreenWoman over a year ago

watton

I want my wages, plus the 80% everyone else has been getting while im suiting myself up and working with covid patients.

I dont work for the NHS, i dont get night enhancements, or weekend enhancements. I get basic minimum wage, plus about 8 pence.

I went 2weeks without seeing my son, missed his birthday, i spend more time with my coworkers, and reisdents than i do anyone else.

What i want most? To be appreciated. To be paid, what i DESERVE to be paid. I would earn more working at aldi, but alas i love my job, and the residents i care for. Maybe i should be less empathetic and just go stack shelves.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I want my wages, plus the 80% everyone else has been getting while im suiting myself up and working with covid patients.

I dont work for the NHS, i dont get night enhancements, or weekend enhancements. I get basic minimum wage, plus about 8 pence.

I went 2weeks without seeing my son, missed his birthday, i spend more time with my coworkers, and reisdents than i do anyone else.

Nursing/caring - it's a vocation... Hate that term! It's like "how dare you ask for more money".

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

A lot of these key workers and I’m one of them would probably tell you to stop clapping or raise money for them through charity and instead of this pay them decently.

I think there’s a lot of hypocrisy amongst the people who clap. They should look at themselves a bit more and at how the people they’ve voted for have treated these key workers.

Sorry I appreciate you're having to work through this shit time but I don't think supermarket workers should get higher pay. For what?"

Think on it this way, nurses, doctors etc know what they are signing up for when they go into the job i.e. Close proximity to contageons, need to have ppe etc. Supermarket workers etc didn't sign up for this kinda risk. So maybe a bit of understanding it's affecting us all in different ways.

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By *rettyGreenWoman over a year ago

watton

"I want my wages, plus the 80% everyone else has been getting while im suiting myself up and working with covid patients.

I dont work for the NHS, i dont get night enhancements, or weekend enhancements. I get basic minimum wage, plus about 8 pence.

I went 2weeks without seeing my son, missed his birthday, i spend more time with my coworkers, and reisdents than i do anyone else.

Nursing/caring - it's a vocation... Hate that term! It's like "how dare you ask for more money". "

Its the shock when people realise how much abuse we have to put up with that makes me giggle. I go to work, and help all those that need help, whos families arent prepared or unable to do it themselves. Yet, in the last 12months ive been bitten, scratched, punched, kicked, spat on, and verbally abused.

A night with just verbal abuse is a good night

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By *arlomaleMan over a year ago

darlington

Where’s the free cash coming from

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By *all me FlikWoman over a year ago

Galaxy Far Far Away

"Where’s the free cash coming from "

Our future taxes

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I want my wages, plus the 80% everyone else has been getting while im suiting myself up and working with covid patients.

I dont work for the NHS, i dont get night enhancements, or weekend enhancements. I get basic minimum wage, plus about 8 pence.

I went 2weeks without seeing my son, missed his birthday, i spend more time with my coworkers, and reisdents than i do anyone else.

Nursing/caring - it's a vocation... Hate that term! It's like "how dare you ask for more money".

A night with just verbal abuse is a good night

I can relate.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Where’s the free cash coming from "

Taxing billionaires and huge companies making obscene profits a decent amount?

Nah scrub that we will crucify those who kept the country afloat.

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By *arlomaleMan over a year ago

darlington

"Where’s the free cash coming from

Taxing billionaires and huge companies making obscene profits a decent amount?

Nah scrub that we will crucify those who kept the country afloat."
so technically it’s not free it’s going to hit someone in the pocket

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"As front liner I would say we should get bonus or a pay rise. But I’m just doin the job I do.

I know carers are getting a bonus and prison staff given a bonus but nhs not as we had a 1% pay rise lol when govt have huge rise plus 10k to help work at home.

Am jealous of friends getting enjoy hone and sun etc and chilling on 80-100% wages as I go in daily. I’ve just done 3 week stretch and now have 3 days to recover.

So yes all front liners no matter the role deserve something extra"
totally agree and don't forget about the transport and Warehouse sector workers

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By *all me FlikWoman over a year ago

Galaxy Far Far Away

"Where’s the free cash coming from

Taxing billionaires and huge companies making obscene profits a decent amount?

Nah scrub that we will crucify those who kept the country afloat. so technically it’s not free it’s going to hit someone in the pocket "

Yes...everyone

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Where’s the free cash coming from

Taxing billionaires and huge companies making obscene profits a decent amount?

Nah scrub that we will crucify those who kept the country afloat. so technically it’s not free it’s going to hit someone in the pocket "

Well its money that generated by the country.

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By *otnatured1Couple over a year ago

Bexley

And let's not forget that key workers ( and I'm one of the ) have had a shit deal under this government for the last 10 years!!! A massive 1% pay rise a year, if we were lucky !!!

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"And let's not forget that key workers ( and I'm one of the ) have had a shit deal under this government for the last 10 years!!! A massive 1% pay rise a year, if we were lucky !!!"

Well it makes sense they should be the 1st to suffer.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Some contrast here to the other thread where people are calling for a pay cut and extra austerity for key workers.

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By *iker boy 69Man over a year ago

midlands

"Putting their lives at risk by continuing to work without a single extra penny, while others sit at home on 80%! Surely that can't be fair?!"

When lads at our place are earning more than us still in work its shit. Theyre getting 80% of their overtime from last year, where as now, we have no o.t

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some contrast here to the other thread where people are calling for a pay cut and extra austerity for key workers."

Who, what, where? The bleeps.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Some contrast here to the other thread where people are calling for a pay cut and extra austerity for key workers.

Who, what, where? The bleeps. "

Piri thread

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Some contrast here to the other thread where people are calling for a pay cut and extra austerity for key workers.

Who, what, where? The bleeps.

Piri thread"

Yeah the Priti Patel threat. It's great craic over there.

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By *kstallionMan over a year ago

milton keynes

"Where’s the free cash coming from

Taxing billionaires and huge companies making obscene profits a decent amount?

Nah scrub that we will crucify those who kept the country afloat. so technically it’s not free it’s going to hit someone in the pocket

Well its money that generated by the country."

Not sure its free then

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Where’s the free cash coming from

Taxing billionaires and huge companies making obscene profits a decent amount?

Nah scrub that we will crucify those who kept the country afloat. so technically it’s not free it’s going to hit someone in the pocket

Well its money that generated by the country.

Not sure its free then"

I'm not sure what you mean by free money exactly?

The money generated by the tax?vat?The money that is getting spunked on trident?or hs2?

The gmnt has shown plenty of times in the past they can find it when they need it?

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By *eroy1000Man over a year ago

milton keynes

"Where’s the free cash coming from

Taxing billionaires and huge companies making obscene profits a decent amount?

Nah scrub that we will crucify those who kept the country afloat. so technically it’s not free it’s going to hit someone in the pocket

Well its money that generated by the country.

Not sure its free then

I'm not sure what you mean by free money exactly?

The money generated by the tax?vat?The money that is getting spunked on trident?or hs2?

The gmnt has shown plenty of times in the past they can find it when they need it?"

I think you will find it was not me that said its free money

Money generated by the country is not free

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Where’s the free cash coming from

Taxing billionaires and huge companies making obscene profits a decent amount?

Nah scrub that we will crucify those who kept the country afloat. so technically it’s not free it’s going to hit someone in the pocket

Well its money that generated by the country.

Not sure its free then

I'm not sure what you mean by free money exactly?

The money generated by the tax?vat?The money that is getting spunked on trident?or hs2?

The gmnt has shown plenty of times in the past they can find it when they need it?

I think you will find it was not me that said its free money

Money generated by the country is not free"

I apologise.

I just dont get the concept of free money.

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By *eroy1000Man over a year ago

milton keynes

"Where’s the free cash coming from

Taxing billionaires and huge companies making obscene profits a decent amount?

Nah scrub that we will crucify those who kept the country afloat. so technically it’s not free it’s going to hit someone in the pocket

Well its money that generated by the country.

Not sure its free then

I'm not sure what you mean by free money exactly?

The money generated by the tax?vat?The money that is getting spunked on trident?or hs2?

The gmnt has shown plenty of times in the past they can find it when they need it?

I think you will find it was not me that said its free money

Money generated by the country is not free

I apologise.

I just dont get the concept of free money."

No problem

I don't get the concept either as it does not exist in my view. Someone somewhere is always affected

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By *os19Man over a year ago

Edmonton

I am a civil servant classed as a key worker.The first 4 weeks I was off work with flu like symptoms and a persistent cough I was paid in full.Since then I have been in work every day and I have been offered overtime at time and a half for 6 hours on a Saturday I have declined it each time as I don’t believe I should profit when other people through no fault of their own are on 80%

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"Where’s the free cash coming from

Taxing billionaires and huge companies making obscene profits a decent amount?

Nah scrub that we will crucify those who kept the country afloat. so technically it’s not free it’s going to hit someone in the pocket

Well its money that generated by the country.

Not sure its free then

I'm not sure what you mean by free money exactly?

The money generated by the tax?vat?The money that is getting spunked on trident?or hs2?

The gmnt has shown plenty of times in the past they can find it when they need it?

I think you will find it was not me that said its free money

Money generated by the country is not free

I apologise.

I just dont get the concept of free money.

No problem

I don't get the concept either as it does not exist in my view. Someone somewhere is always affected"

Of course..its not like the have a big piggy bank.

They have numerous sources of revenue and numerous ways to save more/raise more.

Going after those who have got us through this crises would be last on my list.

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By *ionelhutzMan over a year ago

liverpool

"I am a civil servant classed as a key worker.The first 4 weeks I was off work with flu like symptoms and a persistent cough I was paid in full.Since then I have been in work every day and I have been offered overtime at time and a half for 6 hours on a Saturday I have declined it each time as I don’t believe I should profit when other people through no fault of their own are on 80%"

Doing overtime isnt taking advantage.You are working on your days off.

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

Fantastic attitude

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By *un couple 2Couple over a year ago

Tynemouth.

most companys are paying that extra 20% so most on full pay.

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By *os19Man over a year ago

Edmonton

Doing overtime isnt taking advantage.You are working on your days off."
. To my way of thinking I would be profiting from other people misery and it’s not something that sits comfortable with me

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm sat at home on 100% and it wasn't by choice so I certainly do not feel guilty about it but I am grateful the company I work for has ensured we get 100%.

It will be a while yet before we are aloud to work, we are last on the list.

My sister is a carer & her employer is giving them a bonus for continuing to work throughout lockdown.

Your sister is lucky I'm a carer and we just get our basic wage and they have told us we will get nothing extra but maybe a party when it's all over lol

It's exactly this...and also to allow companies to survive and re-open as and when they can. The companies are not getting this money as some on other threads have suggested...it goes straight out again to workers.

Rishi Sunak has done a brilliant job....one could certainly argue far better than the rest of the government....

Next PM??

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