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"At least the government is doing a good job in this regard.
Someone is bound to come along and whinge about it "
It's a great scheme but some people have a right to have a moan as they're having to take out a loan to survive while their workers get furlough money.
Not a complaint from me but it needs tweaking a little bit |
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By *s.KerryTV/TS
over a year ago
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The crunch time will come at the end of July when employers will be 'asked' to contribute. What exactly that means hasn't exactly been made clear. By that I mean, as part time working was mentioned, would your wages be made up to the 80% being paid currently or would you purely get that part time wage. |
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Rishi Sunak is showing intelligence, vision and is a polished performer at the dispatch box. (I never would have thought I’d say that as a Labour voter!). The rest are clowns, and Bozo is the chief clown of them all. Sunak v Starmer would be good to watch in HoC. |
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"The crunch time will come at the end of July when employers will be 'asked' to contribute. What exactly that means hasn't exactly been made clear. By that I mean, as part time working was mentioned, would your wages be made up to the 80% being paid currently or would you purely get that part time wage."
I agree, will be interested to see how that pans out. |
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"The crunch time will come at the end of July when employers will be 'asked' to contribute. What exactly that means hasn't exactly been made clear. By that I mean, as part time working was mentioned, would your wages be made up to the 80% being paid currently or would you purely get that part time wage."
I think that's when a lot of employers will be pencilling is as getting back apart from certain sectors, if the employer has to say meet 30% and the treasury 50% the companies will need cash flow and turnover so its a bit more of the nudge team at work.. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"The crunch time will come at the end of July when employers will be 'asked' to contribute. What exactly that means hasn't exactly been made clear. By that I mean, as part time working was mentioned, would your wages be made up to the 80% being paid currently or would you purely get that part time wage."
I would imagine it would mean if you have staff going back working part time you should hopefully be making money to be able to pay them |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Fair play to the government and Sunak, the only one who has come out of this with ay credit, they’re doing the right thing as far as the money goes, shame about the everything else. |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
"At least the government is doing a good job in this regard. "
had to if you are not even going to think about opening up hospitality and tourism industries till at least july!!
doing it till october just kick the general can down the road because it was a decision he would have needed to give them on a monthly basis otherwise
what this decision also says to me is that you can forget having a summer holiday as such!!!! |
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By *s.KerryTV/TS
over a year ago
Blackpool |
"The crunch time will come at the end of July when employers will be 'asked' to contribute. What exactly that means hasn't exactly been made clear. By that I mean, as part time working was mentioned, would your wages be made up to the 80% being paid currently or would you purely get that part time wage.
I would imagine it would mean if you have staff going back working part time you should hopefully be making money to be able to pay them "
I can see your point however it would mean for me, amongst many others I would think, a major pay cut to work part time. Obviously I have been furloughed, and have been managing on the 80% but part time wages would not cover my outgoings by any stretch of the imagination. |
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"The crunch time will come at the end of July when employers will be 'asked' to contribute. What exactly that means hasn't exactly been made clear. By that I mean, as part time working was mentioned, would your wages be made up to the 80% being paid currently or would you purely get that part time wage.
I would imagine it would mean if you have staff going back working part time you should hopefully be making money to be able to pay them "
Also they will know how many staff to make redundant, carnival are announcing just over 400 staff from Southampton |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"The crunch time will come at the end of July when employers will be 'asked' to contribute. What exactly that means hasn't exactly been made clear. By that I mean, as part time working was mentioned, would your wages be made up to the 80% being paid currently or would you purely get that part time wage.
I would imagine it would mean if you have staff going back working part time you should hopefully be making money to be able to pay them
I can see your point however it would mean for me, amongst many others I would think, a major pay cut to work part time. Obviously I have been furloughed, and have been managing on the 80% but part time wages would not cover my outgoings by any stretch of the imagination."
Hopefully it will mean the company pays some and furlough pays the rest, ie you work part time to help the business get going again and the furlough pays for the rest up to the 80% |
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"At least the government is doing a good job in this regard.
had to if you are not even going to think about opening up hospitality and tourism industries till at least july!!
doing it till october just kick the general can down the road because it was a decision he would have needed to give them on a monthly basis otherwise
what this decision also says to me is that you can forget having a summer holiday as such!!!! "
Matt Hancock has said that there will be no holidays over seas this year  |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"The crunch time will come at the end of July when employers will be 'asked' to contribute. What exactly that means hasn't exactly been made clear. By that I mean, as part time working was mentioned, would your wages be made up to the 80% being paid currently or would you purely get that part time wage.
I would imagine it would mean if you have staff going back working part time you should hopefully be making money to be able to pay them
Also they will know how many staff to make redundant, carnival are announcing just over 400 staff from Southampton "
Sadly I imagine this is going to happen a lot |
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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago
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Great news for furloughed workers. Bad news for us all in the mid to long term. I see crippling austerity measures in the not too distant future as they'll use the standard playbook to pay for it  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"At least the government is doing a good job in this regard.
had to if you are not even going to think about opening up hospitality and tourism industries till at least july!!
doing it till october just kick the general can down the road because it was a decision he would have needed to give them on a monthly basis otherwise
what this decision also says to me is that you can forget having a summer holiday as such!!!! Matt Hancock has said that there will be no holidays over seas this year "
Did he ? Or did he say the SUMMER holiday season is unlikely ? |
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I think that a lot of companies will use this "staff on furlough" as a way to see how they manage on skeleton or half the usual staff levels.
If for example they employ 20 but are down to 10 they might cope admirably and think you know what we only need 2 or 3 back off furlough.
A lot of companies have got bloated staff wise and I can see certain job titles where on the face of it they don't contribute lots to the company being laid off when the government stop paying the 80% up to £2500
An ex colleague was useless at his job but brown nosed his way out of sales into a sort of weird role which saw him get away with blue murder, now the company is running without him they might just ask what does he contribute.
Let's hope the time to come isn't as bad as it potentially could be |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
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"At least the government is doing a good job in this regard.
had to if you are not even going to think about opening up hospitality and tourism industries till at least july!!
doing it till october just kick the general can down the road because it was a decision he would have needed to give them on a monthly basis otherwise
what this decision also says to me is that you can forget having a summer holiday as such!!!! Matt Hancock has said that there will be no holidays over seas this year
Did he ? Or did he say the SUMMER holiday season is unlikely ?"
Yes, he said the summer holiday season  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"At least the government is doing a good job in this regard.
had to if you are not even going to think about opening up hospitality and tourism industries till at least july!!
doing it till october just kick the general can down the road because it was a decision he would have needed to give them on a monthly basis otherwise
what this decision also says to me is that you can forget having a summer holiday as such!!!! Matt Hancock has said that there will be no holidays over seas this year
Did he ? Or did he say the SUMMER holiday season is unlikely ?
Yes, he said the summer holiday season "
Hopefully December in Gran Canaria will be ok  |
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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago
Near Wells |
I'm very surprised at that. Some people won't want to go back after this.
80% wages for staying at home, no travelling costs, no paying for lunch etc. I think you could have problems getting some people back into work. |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
chelmsford |
"At least the government is doing a good job in this regard.
had to if you are not even going to think about opening up hospitality and tourism industries till at least july!!
doing it till october just kick the general can down the road because it was a decision he would have needed to give them on a monthly basis otherwise
what this decision also says to me is that you can forget having a summer holiday as such!!!! Matt Hancock has said that there will be no holidays over seas this year
Did he ? Or did he say the SUMMER holiday season is unlikely ?
Yes, he said the summer holiday season
Hopefully December in Gran Canaria will be ok "
Let's hope so |
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"At least the government is doing a good job in this regard.
had to if you are not even going to think about opening up hospitality and tourism industries till at least july!!
doing it till october just kick the general can down the road because it was a decision he would have needed to give them on a monthly basis otherwise
what this decision also says to me is that you can forget having a summer holiday as such!!!! Matt Hancock has said that there will be no holidays over seas this year
Did he ? Or did he say the SUMMER holiday season is unlikely ?"
no he said this year |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm very surprised at that. Some people won't want to go back after this.
80% wages for staying at home, no travelling costs, no paying for lunch etc. I think you could have problems getting some people back into work. "
your firm can stop your furlough any time they like, so you have to have a good reason not to work. |
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"Great news for furloughed workers. Bad news for us all in the mid to long term. I see crippling austerity measures in the not too distant future as they'll use the standard playbook to pay for it "
To be honest it's a no brainer, the forecast is that the hit will be huge but the economy will pick up in the next couple of years and we need to be looking after people now..
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By (user no longer on site)
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"At least the government is doing a good job in this regard.
had to if you are not even going to think about opening up hospitality and tourism industries till at least july!!
doing it till october just kick the general can down the road because it was a decision he would have needed to give them on a monthly basis otherwise
what this decision also says to me is that you can forget having a summer holiday as such!!!! Matt Hancock has said that there will be no holidays over seas this year
Did he ? Or did he say the SUMMER holiday season is unlikely ?no he said this year "
He actually said both .
He said its unlikely that there would be any summer holiday season this year.
December is in winter  |
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And without being too political if we need to lean on the multinationals who quite frankly have gotten away with paying their dues taxes wise then tighten the loopholes the clever accountants use..
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By *s.KerryTV/TS
over a year ago
Blackpool |
"I'm very surprised at that. Some people won't want to go back after this.
80% wages for staying at home, no travelling costs, no paying for lunch etc. I think you could have problems getting some people back into work. "
Not ALL of us wanted to be furloughed you know and those like myself will only be too glad to get back to work |
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"I'm very surprised at that. Some people won't want to go back after this.
80% wages for staying at home, no travelling costs, no paying for lunch etc. I think you could have problems getting some people back into work. "
Sadly some people lost their jobs in February, so now they get stuff all from the Government. Unemployment Benefit/Universal Credit is appalling! It would be lovely to be on £2500 a month now... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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M here
This furlough is killing me, literally feels like everything is on hold.
I hope that the economy can bounce back, simple economics would dictate as long as people are being paid they still spend and it strengthens the economy.
Furlough a cheaper option then an even more substantial financial crash with mass unemployment. |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
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"At least the government is doing a good job in this regard.
had to if you are not even going to think about opening up hospitality and tourism industries till at least july!!
doing it till october just kick the general can down the road because it was a decision he would have needed to give them on a monthly basis otherwise
what this decision also says to me is that you can forget having a summer holiday as such!!!! Matt Hancock has said that there will be no holidays over seas this year
Did he ? Or did he say the SUMMER holiday season is unlikely ?no he said this year
He actually said both .
He said its unlikely that there would be any summer holiday season this year.
December is in winter "
He said he thinks it's unlikely that big lavish international holidays are going to be possible this summer.....ours aren't big or lavish though!
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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RyanAir said leaving the middle seat was ludicrous - and that he would sell as many seats as possible.
No change there then - hope he doesn't expect you to fly through Volcano Plumes at the same time while paying extra for the mask & gloves which you can't reuse on the return flight so will be charged double for. |
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"RyanAir said leaving the middle seat was ludicrous - and that he would sell as many seats as possible.
No change there then - hope he doesn't expect you to fly through Volcano Plumes at the same time while paying extra for the mask & gloves which you can't reuse on the return flight so will be charged double for. "
on s plane leaving middle seat empty wouldn't make any difference really the air everyone breathes is on a cycle regurgitating through the entire plane |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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"on s plane leaving middle seat empty wouldn't make any difference really the air everyone breathes is on a cycle regurgitating through the entire plane "
Indeed. You are right. So will all the Flights begin with the letters 'COV' I wonder |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Would love to be back at work, its driving me mad being sat at home. But as I work in aviation it wont be any time soon if ever"
Wouldn't mind a couple of weeks doing sweet F.a. and getting paid. |
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It's a wise move and needed, with not everyone at work from tomorrow and inbuilt flexibility in to the system is right. It will also help public transport cope better, with a more gradual increase to the numbers using it.
I'd hope that he has looked at what help others may be able to get, those who have slipped through the cracks with this and other systems.
With borrowing costs at incredibly low cost, it's going to be a strong way to help the country regain stability. |
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"At least the government is doing a good job in this regard.
Someone is bound to come along and whinge about it
It's a great scheme but some people have a right to have a moan as they're having to take out a loan to survive while their workers get furlough money.
Not a complaint from me but it needs tweaking a little bit"
Most of those probably paid themselves minimum wage while taking big dividends and saving tax and NI
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Will it remain at 80% of wage for the whole extended period?"
Yes however for some industries part time work will be encourages and the business will have to pay for that and the government the remainder of the 80% , I believe. |
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By *amissCouple
over a year ago
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"Will it remain at 80% of wage for the whole extended period?"
It will stay at 80%, but from August 1st, the government will pay less and the employer will have to make it up to the 80%.
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This is good news for most. I really worry we are going to have a second spike in numbers because of the vague (and somewhat selfish) guidelines coming in from the Government this week. It seems the onus is now on the public and if it all goes tits up, Boris will just say "I told you so".
The industry I work in has been destroyed and will struggle to recover any decent amount for numerous years
I hope we just all stay home and try our best |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"At least the government is doing a good job in this regard.
Someone is bound to come along and whinge about it
Yeah, well, people are dying so I guess a little whingeing might be ok."
About furlough ? |
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"I'm very surprised at that. Some people won't want to go back after this.
80% wages for staying at home, no travelling costs, no paying for lunch etc. I think you could have problems getting some people back into work. "
I agree & people can choose to go back to work full time not just part time! |
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"I'm very surprised at that. Some people won't want to go back after this.
80% wages for staying at home, no travelling costs, no paying for lunch etc. I think you could have problems getting some people back into work.
I agree & people can choose to go back to work full time not just part time! "
I personally canf wait to get back to work. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"At least the government is doing a good job in this regard.
Someone is bound to come along and whinge about it "
So you're furloughed, some are facing real difficulties, the "I'm alright jack" Attitude is shallow |
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By (user no longer on site)
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A couple of observations.
Firstly, the impression was given that October will be the end of the furlough scheme, come what may. There is almost no chance of the leisure, hospitality and tourism sectors being up to anything like capacity before then. Many businesses in those sectors will fold and many redundancies will follow.
Secondly, as employers will have to contribute a portion of pay on the scheme from August, those who can only keep staff on 80% pay because of the scheme who have little or no income will have to lay staff off.
The upshot is there will be 2 waves of redundancies coming. One in August and another in November. Just in time for Christmas. |
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"At least the government is doing a good job in this regard.
Someone is bound to come along and whinge about it
So you're furloughed, some are facing real difficulties, the "I'm alright jack" Attitude is shallow "
Do what? |
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By *s.KerryTV/TS
over a year ago
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"A couple of observations.
Firstly, the impression was given that October will be the end of the furlough scheme, come what may. There is almost no chance of the leisure, hospitality and tourism sectors being up to anything like capacity before then. Many businesses in those sectors will fold and many redundancies will follow.
Secondly, as employers will have to contribute a portion of pay on the scheme from August, those who can only keep staff on 80% pay because of the scheme who have little or no income will have to lay staff off.
The upshot is there will be 2 waves of redundancies coming. One in August and another in November. Just in time for Christmas. "
BBC news says companies will be asked to start sharing the cost of the furlough payments from the end of July not that they are compelled too. It obviously, to my way of thinking, depends on what industry for example and whether part time working is feasible to enable them to share the cost |
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"Would love to be back at work, its driving me mad being sat at home. But as I work in aviation it wont be any time soon if ever
Wouldn't mind a couple of weeks doing sweet F.a. and getting paid."
It sounds great at first but it soon wears off, same when I was off sick with cancer for months wanted to go back but the doctors would not let me |
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We think the government on the whole have really stepped up and we praise them for what they are doing. Some unfortunate people, such as the newly self employed have absoloutely zero money coming in. We have no idea how they are coping.
Those on furlough are very lucky and we hope they are all appreciative.
We wonder when the tax rates will all increase  |
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"We think the government on the whole have really stepped up and we praise them for what they are doing. Some unfortunate people, such as the newly self employed have absoloutely zero money coming in. We have no idea how they are coping.
Those on furlough are very lucky and we hope they are all appreciative.
We wonder when the tax rates will all increase "
I fully appreciate the furlough scheme and fully understand that taxes will rise. |
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By *eroy1000Man
over a year ago
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"This is good news for most. I really worry we are going to have a second spike in numbers because of the vague (and somewhat selfish) guidelines coming in from the Government this week. It seems the onus is now on the public and if it all goes tits up, Boris will just say "I told you so".
The industry I work in has been destroyed and will struggle to recover any decent amount for numerous years
I hope we just all stay home and try our best "
To be fair the onus is always going to be on the public. No government can get through this without the population playing there part and taking responsibility.
The furlough scheme although expensive seems on the whole to have worked though I understand not for all.
seems they have out laboured Labour |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"At least the government is doing a good job in this regard.
Someone is bound to come along and whinge about it
So you're furloughed, some are facing real difficulties, the "I'm alright jack" Attitude is shallow
Do what?"
Referring to people as whingers. Some have lost their insecure jobs and redundant despite the furlough scheme . They've good reason to "whinge" as you put it.
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"At least the government is doing a good job in this regard.
Someone is bound to come along and whinge about it
So you're furloughed, some are facing real difficulties, the "I'm alright jack" Attitude is shallow
Do what?
Referring to people as whingers. Some have lost their insecure jobs and redundant despite the furlough scheme . They've good reason to "whinge" as you put it.
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Whinge about furlough?
Or their personal situations? |
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I guess by end of October the magic money tree will have shed its leaves so no financial reward for those who went to work and got the country through this.
I wonder if Tesco accept claps as payment |
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By *pmsldCouple
over a year ago
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"We think the government on the whole have really stepped up and we praise them for what they are doing. Some unfortunate people, such as the newly self employed have absoloutely zero money coming in. We have no idea how they are coping.
Those on furlough are very lucky and we hope they are all appreciative.
We wonder when the tax rates will all increase "
Maybe they could get the costs back by increasing the tax for the companies that made use of the scheme, or the individuals. rather than expecting everyone to pick up the bill. Wont happen obviously but it would be a nicer gesture than standing around clapping lol |
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"We think the government on the whole have really stepped up and we praise them for what they are doing. Some unfortunate people, such as the newly self employed have absoloutely zero money coming in. We have no idea how they are coping.
Those on furlough are very lucky and we hope they are all appreciative.
We wonder when the tax rates will all increase
Maybe they could get the costs back by increasing the tax for the companies that made use of the scheme, or the individuals. rather than expecting everyone to pick up the bill. Wont happen obviously but it would be a nicer gesture than standing around clapping lol"
Why not cancel furlough and cripple the economy so those who are working outside of care will have a higher likelihood of their jobs been at risk. |
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By *s.KerryTV/TS
over a year ago
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"I guess by end of October the magic money tree will have shed its leaves so no financial reward for those who went to work and got the country through this.
I wonder if Tesco accept claps as payment"
I guess you're working making such a sweeping statement. Not too sure what financial reward you are expecting either? |
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"We think the government on the whole have really stepped up and we praise them for what they are doing. Some unfortunate people, such as the newly self employed have absoloutely zero money coming in. We have no idea how they are coping.
Those on furlough are very lucky and we hope they are all appreciative.
We wonder when the tax rates will all increase "
I can see a hike in the VAT rate also |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We think the government on the whole have really stepped up and we praise them for what they are doing. Some unfortunate people, such as the newly self employed have absoloutely zero money coming in. We have no idea how they are coping.
Those on furlough are very lucky and we hope they are all appreciative.
We wonder when the tax rates will all increase
I can see a hike in the VAT rate also "
It never went back down from the last temporary hike! |
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"We think the government on the whole have really stepped up and we praise them for what they are doing. Some unfortunate people, such as the newly self employed have absoloutely zero money coming in. We have no idea how they are coping.
Those on furlough are very lucky and we hope they are all appreciative.
We wonder when the tax rates will all increase
Maybe they could get the costs back by increasing the tax for the companies that made use of the scheme, or the individuals. rather than expecting everyone to pick up the bill. Wont happen obviously but it would be a nicer gesture than standing around clapping lol"
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This increase is also for the employed.
No mention of the self employed.
As an electrician that mainly does domestic and social housing, people are not wanting me in their homes yet so how do I go back to work? Cant dont it from home |
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"I guess by end of October the magic money tree will have shed its leaves so no financial reward for those who went to work and got the country through this.
I wonder if Tesco accept claps as payment
I guess you're working making such a sweeping statement. Not too sure what financial reward you are expecting either?"
A well deserved sizeable wage rise for NHS staff. Something they haven't have for well over a decade. And even then they were never that great. The government are nodding towards their worth with their clapping. Time to put up or shut up. Either pay them their worth or tell the country they won't be supporting the clap because they don't really value them after all. |
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By *s.KerryTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Furloughed people enjoy to be paid 80% of their salary for doing nothing at the moment, but everybody will pay this bill with increased VAT...
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Just remember. Not ALL of us asked or want to be furloughed. It is simply a way of possibly saving industry as a whole in this country after this pandemic. |
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"Furloughed people enjoy to be paid 80% of their salary for doing nothing at the moment, but everybody will pay this bill with increased VAT...
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Nobody asked to be on furlough. |
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"VAT will be increased to 25% thanks to furloughed people..."
"Accountants have magic fingers...a friend of mine who is self employed, doesn't pay any tax for years. He always says that his accountant is magician.
You need a good accountant!!!"
2nd quote is from you on the Company Director's thread. If VAT goes to 25% then maybe you should be blaming someone closer to home. |
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Telegraph mentioned about tax increases to cover £300bn coronavirus bill especially to cover cost of furloughed people.
People can enjoy 80% salary payment and having holiday at home till October, but then everybody must pay this bill.
UK is in recession and heading even deeper...and Brexit will be added on top... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Telegraph mentioned about tax increases to cover £300bn coronavirus bill especially to cover cost of furloughed people.
People can enjoy 80% salary payment and having holiday at home till October, but then everybody must pay this bill.
UK is in recession and heading even deeper...and Brexit will be added on top..."
Holiday at home with no where to go?
Its a good job ths mrs is a key worker working 6 12 hour shifts per week then eh ?
Sweeping statement much ?
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Many businesses will never recover, there will be significant tax increases directly and indirectly.
You can't pay 80% of 8 million people wages for six months without pain and misery for everyone.
Unfortunately I can't enjoy 80% salary payment for staying home as I work in a company which produces health care products for NHS.
Sometimes I think it's not worth to put my life at risk after seeing people getting paid for doing nothing. |
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"Many businesses will never recover, there will be significant tax increases directly and indirectly.
You can't pay 80% of 8 million people wages for six months without pain and misery for everyone.
Unfortunately I can't enjoy 80% salary payment for staying home as I work in a company which produces health care products for NHS.
Sometimes I think it's not worth to put my life at risk after seeing people getting paid for doing nothing."
OK end furlough and send everyone back to work, and kids back to school.If you work for the nhs your make a fortune in over time. |
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"How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics in the 20th century.” Aneurin Bevan
In 2020 you make the plebs argue amongst themselves to get them to persuade each other to do what's best for the top 1% and not the bottom 99%. |
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"Many businesses will never recover, there will be significant tax increases directly and indirectly.
You can't pay 80% of 8 million people wages for six months without pain and misery for everyone.
Unfortunately I can't enjoy 80% salary payment for staying home as I work in a company which produces health care products for NHS.
Sometimes I think it's not worth to put my life at risk after seeing people getting paid for doing nothing."
Life at risk? the mrs is a key worker in care home.
3 patients where sent there from the nhs .
The home were told they were clear of covid.
4 weeks later 21 deaths 80 % of staff tested positive .
Including the mrs who then passed passed the virus onto me.
Is that risk enough?
There is a reason the furlough scheme is there .
So stfu with your sweeping statements.
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""How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics in the 20th century.” Aneurin Bevan
In 2020 you make the plebs argue amongst themselves to get them to persuade each other to do what's best for the top 1% and not the bottom 99%."
So your saying furlough is in place to make the rich richer, you could be right but can't see another way to keeps business open. End furlough and the bosses will just sack you. |
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By *s.KerryTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Many businesses will never recover, there will be significant tax increases directly and indirectly.
You can't pay 80% of 8 million people wages for six months without pain and misery for everyone.
Unfortunately I can't enjoy 80% salary payment for staying home as I work in a company which produces health care products for NHS.
Sometimes I think it's not worth to put my life at risk after seeing people getting paid for doing nothing."
Sour grapes perhaps? |
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""How can wealth persuade poverty to use its political freedom to keep wealth in power? Here lies the whole art of Conservative politics in the 20th century.” Aneurin Bevan
In 2020 you make the plebs argue amongst themselves to get them to persuade each other to do what's best for the top 1% and not the bottom 99%.So your saying furlough is in place to make the rich richer, you could be right but can't see another way to keeps business open. End furlough and the bosses will just sack you. "
No, I'm saying that the people who want to end lockdown in a major way are trying to get it by making those of us at the bottom argue amongst ourselves. See the narrative in the press change today. Jeremy Vine talking about furlough addiction, Nick Ferrari's show was basically an attack on teachers. |
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
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Well it's all starting to get complicated now, isn't it? 80% coming to and end for Augusta pay day, going down monthly after that with companies being forced to make up the difference. I shouldn't imagine there's many that can afford to do that. So will a lot of firms be thinking about making redundancies?
I was furloughed for 7 weeks, we still have 6 off for health or childcare issues. The rumble is those people can't go back now even if they want to because of 'numbers'. Not really sure what that means ie takings low or what. We have been told not to make contact with the people still off!
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First decent and right thing any gov in recent times has done , shows what can be done to support people when its really needed , if anything adds weight to a citizens payment that was talked about a couple of years ago even if its just an amount to cover mortgage / rent as when we get back to some sort of normal nobody should be faced with the vultures that are the banks looking for their pound of flesh , nobody should have to face added stress of losing their home , would making paying for all the other vital bits folks need a lot easier .
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Absolute bull vat to give to 25% that would cause more of a recession the only way is to spend our way out vat may well be cut scrappage schemes on cars accessing pensions at 50 not 55 all options that I know my local mp is pushing for the banking crisis was far worse financially than covid |
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"The crunch time will come at the end of July when employers will be 'asked' to contribute. What exactly that means hasn't exactly been made clear. By that I mean, as part time working was mentioned, would your wages be made up to the 80% being paid currently or would you purely get that part time wage.
I would imagine it would mean if you have staff going back working part time you should hopefully be making money to be able to pay them
I can see your point however it would mean for me, amongst many others I would think, a major pay cut to work part time. Obviously I have been furloughed, and have been managing on the 80% but part time wages would not cover my outgoings by any stretch of the imagination."
You get full pay for the hours you work (say half hours) furlough/80% for the rest. So you work half time and get 90% pay.... |
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"The crunch time will come at the end of July when employers will be 'asked' to contribute. What exactly that means hasn't exactly been made clear. By that I mean, as part time working was mentioned, would your wages be made up to the 80% being paid currently or would you purely get that part time wage.
I would imagine it would mean if you have staff going back working part time you should hopefully be making money to be able to pay them
I can see your point however it would mean for me, amongst many others I would think, a major pay cut to work part time. Obviously I have been furloughed, and have been managing on the 80% but part time wages would not cover my outgoings by any stretch of the imagination.
You get full pay for the hours you work (say half hours) furlough/80% for the rest. So you work half time and get 90% pay...."
wonder how many will be keen to do 50% extra work with added health risk for only 10% extra pay
do we know if it will be optional or its a case of this is the rule or out of a job? |
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Furlough deadline for new people has past I believe. 3 weeks before July is deadline to add new people. Those on furlough now are fine to remain on furlough long as company contributes. Those not cannot join furlough. |
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
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Bumping....
Does anyone know if this scenario is 'ok'.
5 people still on furlough for genuine reasons. Another who was off for 2 weeks with covid symptoms before lockdown still off, no reason for him not to come back. He has taken a second job whilst still getting his 80% from our employer.
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"Bumping....
Does anyone know if this scenario is 'ok'.
5 people still on furlough for genuine reasons. Another who was off for 2 weeks with covid symptoms before lockdown still off, no reason for him not to come back. He has taken a second job whilst still getting his 80% from our employer.
Thoughts fabbers pretty please "
Depends entirely on what his work contract says I believe. If there is a clause saying he can't have a second job then he's in trouble, but I don't think anything in the furlough scheme stops you taking a second job, it just forbids you from working for the company you are furloughed from. |
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
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"Bumping....
Does anyone know if this scenario is 'ok'.
5 people still on furlough for genuine reasons. Another who was off for 2 weeks with covid symptoms before lockdown still off, no reason for him not to come back. He has taken a second job whilst still getting his 80% from our employer.
Thoughts fabbers pretty please
Depends entirely on what his work contract says I believe. If there is a clause saying he can't have a second job then he's in trouble, but I don't think anything in the furlough scheme stops you taking a second job, it just forbids you from working for the company you are furloughed from."
We were told right at the beginning that we could do voluntary work but nothing else. |
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"The company my daughter works for made her redundant in july rather than keep her on furlough. It hasn't been fair for everyone x"
I feel for her, but the furlough/job retention scheme was intended to avoid redundancy,
If there’s no job to go back to the company did the right thing even though it may be deemed harsh
The HRMC are in the ‘check it later’ stage of the scheme and have found at the beginning of August there’s been a 53% increase in furlough fraud
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
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"What places are still closed?,nightclubs..I thought most people were back working now?"
Most places are open now bowling, cinemas, soft play centres all opened today. We opened 8 weeks after lock down but still have people off! Some have legit health conditions, one looks after her elderly mother, ones girlfriend has severe asthma, one is struggling for childcare. And, well, one or two are taking the piss  |
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"What places are still closed?,nightclubs..I thought most people were back working now?"
nightclubs, theatre, events and entertainment industry, gyms in scotland , bowling soft play etc not open here yet either
even industries which are open aren’t running at full capacity yet so still have furloughed staff ... bars, travel agencies, salons, hotels, even decorators who need to be in peoples homes |
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"What places are still closed?,nightclubs..I thought most people were back working now?
Most places are open now bowling, cinemas, soft play centres all opened today. We opened 8 weeks after lock down but still have people off! Some have legit health conditions, one looks after her elderly mother, ones girlfriend has severe asthma, one is struggling for childcare. And, well, one or two are taking the piss "
that doesnt sound like furlough it sounds like sheilding isn’t that meant to be covered by a companies sick pay? furlough should only be if the company doesn't require you to work at the moment |
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"What places are still closed?,nightclubs..I thought most people were back working now?
Most places are open now bowling, cinemas, soft play centres all opened today. We opened 8 weeks after lock down but still have people off! Some have legit health conditions, one looks after her elderly mother, ones girlfriend has severe asthma, one is struggling for childcare. And, well, one or two are taking the piss
that doesnt sound like furlough it sounds like sheilding isn’t that meant to be covered by a companies sick pay? furlough should only be if the company doesn't require you to work at the moment "
Many, many companies are open with restrictions on the amount of customers that can enter their business due to social distancing, that naturally translates to less business and less need for staff. So a company may be open but not have brought back the amount of staff they normally employ, so some staff are still furloughed or they share the workload and have a combination of company pay and furlough pay. |
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We have been on furlough (doughnut and I work and live in a Gatwick independent hotel) since lockdown began, we knew months ago that the business wouldn't survive as we were struggling for business before this hit (our owner insists on closing for 4 weeks over Christmas so was only just starting to build business up) we tried telling the boss that we had almost all bookings cancelled about two months ago for the rest of the year but yet he kept dragging his heels, I guess hoping for a miracle.
We were made redundant at the end of July, so we have just over two weeks left until we are homeless and jobless, hard enough to find one job let alone two and somewhere to live when like lots of other people have no savings and because we were idiots in the past, our credit is shocking, so in two weeks we have no idea where we will be, we have been here less than two years so don't qualify for redundancy either.
Our boss even asked us to break the law if we wanted to stay on furlough until the end of the scheme! Because he couldn't afford to pay the portion he had too.
We can't deny we have been very lucky during this time but now it's one of the toughest times of both our lives ahead.
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I was on it for 6 weeks , first two week I was productive then got into the habit of staying up late sleeping in late, binge watching box sets no appreciation of the weekend (when I could remember what day it was) I just wish I'd used the time better . Dont know how people do it longer. |
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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago
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"We have been on furlough (doughnut and I work and live in a Gatwick independent hotel) since lockdown began, we knew months ago that the business wouldn't survive as we were struggling for business before this hit (our owner insists on closing for 4 weeks over Christmas so was only just starting to build business up) we tried telling the boss that we had almost all bookings cancelled about two months ago for the rest of the year but yet he kept dragging his heels, I guess hoping for a miracle.
We were made redundant at the end of July, so we have just over two weeks left until we are homeless and jobless, hard enough to find one job let alone two and somewhere to live when like lots of other people have no savings and because we were idiots in the past, our credit is shocking, so in two weeks we have no idea where we will be, we have been here less than two years so don't qualify for redundancy either.
Our boss even asked us to break the law if we wanted to stay on furlough until the end of the scheme! Because he couldn't afford to pay the portion he had too.
We can't deny we have been very lucky during this time but now it's one of the toughest times of both our lives ahead.
Danish x "
I can agree wholeheartedly with the above comments.
The hotel I work in, only opened up again on August 3rd after being closed for almost 5 months.
Since then we have opened only 3 days a week spread over the weekend, though next week we are open every night, albeit with only 4 rooms max being occupied.
From Sundays 23rd & 30th, we are closed Sun to Thurs incl, as there's no forward bookings. September and October so far are totally devoid of room bookings.
There are no function bookings yet as we cannot safely accommodate on a socially distancing format, of more than 25 people, whereas event or party organisers want space for up to 100 people.
The Corporate bedroom trade in this area has said they don't expect to be bringing people back to offices till at least February.
The town as a whole isn't seeing the daily footfall it used to have. Retailers are suffering badly, as are the local hotels both big & small.
As an ex-GM, plus with lots of Sales expertise, I cannot see how the limited revenue coming into this business can sustain the owners beyond the end of October.
I suspect, unless there's a financial miracle, I'll be made redundant from November when the business will close.
I'm preparing just in case by reorganizing my finances, paying off my Mortgage & a loan so I can be without major financial stress when the job fails. |
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By *ENGUYMan
over a year ago
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"What places are still closed?,nightclubs..I thought most people were back working now?"
No, not all businesses are back open again. Hotels and other hospitality businesses were, as July 4th, given the option to open again. But some decided to wait for a while longer, as did my workplace, opening on Aug 3rd.
Furlough pay still continues to October for those businesses that need that financial lifeline.
Sadly, some businesses will fail to reach that time, if they even open at all? |
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My Daughter was on furlough but was made redundant at the end of July as it dose not look like Theatre will open any time soon.
Me and the wife have not stoped she is a nurse and I work as an Electrical engineer for a production company so need to keep machines working.
Would have loved some time off on furlough pay. |
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"My Daughter was on furlough but was made redundant at the end of July as it dose not look like Theatre will open any time soon.
Me and the wife have not stoped she is a nurse and I work as an Electrical engineer for a production company so need to keep machines working.
Would have loved some time off on furlough pay."
While I am sure your comment wasnt actually a dig at those that had no option but to go on furlough, there is and was a vast majority of us that didn't go to the beach, didn't spend all our furlough money on hot tubs and making outside bars! Some of us have actually been getting depressed by not working, ive been stuck at my work for the last 5 months while on furlough so try being at work with no work, literally spending ALL your days just the two of you in a massive building when all you want to do it get it full again and actually do some work, only to be laid off at the end of it all.
So not everyone has been living the life of luxury while on furlough!! Like I say I am sure you didn't mean it like that but I'm fed up of seeing people take digs at people that didn't have a choice in the matter!!
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"My Daughter was on furlough but was made redundant at the end of July as it dose not look like Theatre will open any time soon.
Me and the wife have not stoped she is a nurse and I work as an Electrical engineer for a production company so need to keep machines working.
Would have loved some time off on furlough pay."
Would you have loved it if during it you had no idea if you would lose your job at the end of it ? And had spent it worrying about an unsure future ? |
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"My Daughter was on furlough but was made redundant at the end of July as it dose not look like Theatre will open any time soon.
Me and the wife have not stoped she is a nurse and I work as an Electrical engineer for a production company so need to keep machines working.
Would have loved some time off on furlough pay.
Would you have loved it if during it you had no idea if you would lose your job at the end of it ? And had spent it worrying about an unsure future ? "
I think what he ment (as this was my feeling too as I only went on ferlough late into this (mid june) as that in our lifetime we are never going to get this amount of paid time off again and a chance to get all those jobs at home done, some time to actually spend some long quality time with family and children and yes seeing posts on social media of people spending the days at the beach and just relaxing and enjoying themselves pissed me off but I've paid tens of thousands in tax over the years so it's nice to get something back for the working people for once.yes its shit people losing their jobs (which I dont really understand as companies are not having to pay staff or running utilities at present ) I think after all this we will all learn to prepare (who's laughing at those crazy preppers now eh) next time be that putting savings aside for such emergencies, if you can obviously |
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"My Daughter was on furlough but was made redundant at the end of July as it dose not look like Theatre will open any time soon.
Me and the wife have not stoped she is a nurse and I work as an Electrical engineer for a production company so need to keep machines working.
Would have loved some time off on furlough pay.
Would you have loved it if during it you had no idea if you would lose your job at the end of it ? And had spent it worrying about an unsure future ? I think what he ment (as this was my feeling too as I only went on ferlough late into this (mid june) as that in our lifetime we are never going to get this amount of paid time off again and a chance to get all those jobs at home done, some time to actually spend some long quality time with family and children and yes seeing posts on social media of people spending the days at the beach and just relaxing and enjoying themselves pissed me off but I've paid tens of thousands in tax over the years so it's nice to get something back for the working people for once.yes its shit people losing their jobs (which I dont really understand as companies are not having to pay staff or running utilities at present ) I think after all this we will all learn to prepare (who's laughing at those crazy preppers now eh) next time be that putting savings aside for such emergencies, if you can obviously "
Thank you for seeing my side and putting it better then me.
I guess i was compering me to my Daughter as she was getting about 3k a month and had no out goings so yes she was very happy and has saved up she even did not have to pay travel to London.
And some I know on ferlough have been doing cash work on the side. |
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I think they need to do some sort of tax break for people that have worked continuously through out covid. The people on furlough are still getting a full holiday entitlement, and not working. The people working are having to work twice as hard, and in theory only getting 20% of their wages.... |
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"I think they need to do some sort of tax break for people that have worked continuously through out covid. The people on furlough are still getting a full holiday entitlement, and not working. The people working are having to work twice as hard, and in theory only getting 20% of their wages...."
Thank you for understanding I was asked at work to do more hours to change lines so we could do hand sanitizer We now make 10 tone a day and it's not nice work |
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I work in the farming industry, I have had 1 week of holiday this year. For the last 2 months I have been on 24/7 call out. Working upto 16 hour days. But yet friends of mine have been off the whole time. People say a 20% reduction in wages is huge. But with what people save on fuel, they probably save that. |
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By *xhib12Man
over a year ago
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"I think they need to do some sort of tax break for people that have worked continuously through out covid. The people on furlough are still getting a full holiday entitlement, and not working. The people working are having to work twice as hard, and in theory only getting 20% of their wages...."
The people on furlough are not there through choice. Do you really think they'd choose to be in this position? Would you rather they all lost their homes as well as their jobs? Whst do you think that would do to the economy?
The people working are getting 100% of their wages not 20%. I'm sure 100% of the people on furlough would rather be earning 100% of their wages. They've been put in a position by circumstance, give them a break instead of being bitter about it. |
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"I work in the farming industry, I have had 1 week of holiday this year. For the last 2 months I have been on 24/7 call out. Working upto 16 hour days. But yet friends of mine have been off the whole time. People say a 20% reduction in wages is huge. But with what people save on fuel, they probably save that. "
If you commute from Hastings to London with cabs trains it's more like 40% |
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By *ady LickWoman
over a year ago
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"I think they need to do some sort of tax break for people that have worked continuously through out covid. The people on furlough are still getting a full holiday entitlement, and not working. The people working are having to work twice as hard, and in theory only getting 20% of their wages....
The people on furlough are not there through choice. Do you really think they'd choose to be in this position? Would you rather they all lost their homes as well as their jobs? Whst do you think that would do to the economy?
The people working are getting 100% of their wages not 20%. I'm sure 100% of the people on furlough would rather be earning 100% of their wages. They've been put in a position by circumstance, give them a break instead of being bitter about it."
Actually the one bloke that seems to be taking advantage of the situation is loving it. Getting paid 80% of his pay, taken a second job, going to underground casino nights, there's nothing wrong with him. It makes the people who did go back to look like massive mugs. |
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"I think they need to do some sort of tax break for people that have worked continuously through out covid. The people on furlough are still getting a full holiday entitlement, and not working. The people working are having to work twice as hard, and in theory only getting 20% of their wages....
The people on furlough are not there through choice. Do you really think they'd choose to be in this position? Would you rather they all lost their homes as well as their jobs? Whst do you think that would do to the economy?
The people working are getting 100% of their wages not 20%. I'm sure 100% of the people on furlough would rather be earning 100% of their wages. They've been put in a position by circumstance, give them a break instead of being bitter about it.
Actually the one bloke that seems to be taking advantage of the situation is loving it. Getting paid 80% of his pay, taken a second job, going to underground casino nights, there's nothing wrong with him. It makes the people who did go back to look like massive mugs."
Guess there will always appear to be winners and losers out of it all. |
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"It was always open to be hijacked by the socialists and Marxists,and from what I hear on the phone-ins every day, they are havin a damn good try. "
Lol
Are these the same socialists and Marxists who deliberately gave bj Corona? |
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By *orny PTMan
over a year ago
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"At least the government is doing a good job in this regard.
Someone is bound to come along and whinge about it
It's a great scheme but some people have a right to have a moan as they're having to take out a loan to survive while their workers get furlough money.
Not a complaint from me but it needs tweaking a little bit"
Let's hope the ones who fell through the gaps get looked after. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What places are still closed?,nightclubs..I thought most people were back working now?
Most places are open now bowling, cinemas, soft play centres all opened today. We opened 8 weeks after lock down but still have people off! Some have legit health conditions, one looks after her elderly mother, ones girlfriend has severe asthma, one is struggling for childcare. And, well, one or two are taking the piss
that doesnt sound like furlough it sounds like sheilding isn’t that meant to be covered by a companies sick pay? furlough should only be if the company doesn't require you to work at the moment
Many, many companies are open with restrictions on the amount of customers that can enter their business due to social distancing, that naturally translates to less business and less need for staff. So a company may be open but not have brought back the amount of staff they normally employ, so some staff are still furloughed or they share the workload and have a combination of company pay and furlough pay."
so that would be the company not requiring you to work at the moment because they are not operating at full capacity
what is described is people shielding, looking after elderly relatives or with childcare issues or recovering from covid ... none of that is reason for furlough |
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