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Boris throws working class under the bus

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

It just seems to me that Boris is throwing the working class construction and manufacturing workers under the bus.

He is saying they should go straight back to work when it is probably harder to social distance in a factory than in offices

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

But it isn’t solely those sectors being told to return. I think he’s trying to get the country & economy en masse back working isn’t he ?

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

Halloween Decks are up and looking fabulous

"It just seems to me that Boris is throwing the working class construction and manufacturing workers under the bus.

He is saying they should go straight back to work when it is probably harder to social distance in a factory than in offices"

But he also said:

That the Government have been working to establish new guidance to make the workplace covid secure.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"It just seems to me that Boris is throwing the working class construction and manufacturing workers under the bus.

He is saying they should go straight back to work when it is probably harder to social distance in a factory than in offices

But he also said:

That the Government have been working to establish new guidance to make the workplace covid secure."
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Oh that must mean its ok then if boris says

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So don’t go back to work then.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

Halloween Decks are up and looking fabulous

"It just seems to me that Boris is throwing the working class construction and manufacturing workers under the bus.

He is saying they should go straight back to work when it is probably harder to social distance in a factory than in offices

But he also said:

That the Government have been working to establish new guidance to make the workplace covid secure..

Oh that must mean its ok then if boris says"

If you don't believe him - don't go back.

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By *unloversCouple over a year ago

rotherham

A lot of people are complaining that’s it’s ok to go back to work when it’s impossible to self distance from the staff but yet we can’t go and see our families

How does that work then

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By *itonmyfacebookMan over a year ago

Burton on Trent

Construction, manufacturing. As with care and supermarket staff, public transport drivers, etc. it's the poor getting hammered and put at risk on the front line while the middle class remain safely tucked away.

R goes up it's only the poor who don't matter who are getting infected.

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By *atex and KinkCouple over a year ago

Edinburgh

There is a great meme on Facebook it goes....

Ignore Boris, listen to Sturgeon, Save Lives!!!

You lot in Englandshire voted for him. He's yours. You keep him!!

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By *appy AnytimeMan over a year ago

Scunthorpe

I work in construction, we haven't stopped working, all the sites we have worked on have been fine yes social distancing is observed as well, but a lot of site have just scaled back on staff the job takes longer but social distancing is essential

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By *heShyBiCoupleCouple over a year ago

Coventry

"A lot of people are complaining that’s it’s ok to go back to work when it’s impossible to self distance from the staff but yet we can’t go and see our families

How does that work then"

I agree entirely with your point. However, he knows the public are taking the piss with bbq's, seeing friends and family and gathering in large groups, so if he was to give an inch, the public would take a mile.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"But it isn’t solely those sectors being told to return. I think he’s trying to get the country & economy en masse back working isn’t he ?"

Yes, that's exactly what he said. Nothing to do with class or professions at all. Just people twisting the facts to misinform and scaremongering as usual.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It’s quite simple really isn’t it? If you’re not prepared to return to work, stay home. Claim benefits. Someone else willingly take your job.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"But it isn’t solely those sectors being told to return. I think he’s trying to get the country & economy en masse back working isn’t he ?

Yes, that's exactly what he said. Nothing to do with class or professions at all. Just people twisting the facts to misinform and scaremongering as usual. "

Go back and listento his speech he names to sectors manufacturing and construction.

Also on furlough pay you cannot refuse to go into work unless there is a specific issue on safety.

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By *uttyjonnMan over a year ago

cheshire

"But it isn’t solely those sectors being told to return. I think he’s trying to get the country & economy en masse back working isn’t he ?

Yes, that's exactly what he said. Nothing to do with class or professions at all. Just people twisting the facts to misinform and scaremongering as usual.

Go back and listento his speech he names to sectors manufacturing and construction.

Also on furlough pay you cannot refuse to go into work unless there is a specific issue on safety."

He gave those as examples of people who are unlikely to be able to work from home. Whereas some office workers will be able to and those that can't should also go back to work

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By *itonmyfacebookMan over a year ago

Burton on Trent

"But it isn’t solely those sectors being told to return. I think he’s trying to get the country & economy en masse back working isn’t he ?

Yes, that's exactly what he said. Nothing to do with class or professions at all. Just people twisting the facts to misinform and scaremongering as usual. "

Who has never stopped working?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But it isn’t solely those sectors being told to return. I think he’s trying to get the country & economy en masse back working isn’t he ?

Yes, that's exactly what he said. Nothing to do with class or professions at all. Just people twisting the facts to misinform and scaremongering as usual.

Go back and listento his speech he names to sectors manufacturing and construction.

Also on furlough pay you cannot refuse to go into work unless there is a specific issue on safety."

“ We now need to stress that anyone who can’t work from home, for instance those in construction or manufacturing, should be actively encouraged to go to work.”

You missed out the ‘anyone who can’t work from home’ and the ’for instance‘.

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By *etLikeMan over a year ago

most fundamental aspects

I don’t think he is throwing one section of society under the bus per se.

What is obvious, is how consistently out of touch he is with those who do not have privileged backgrounds.

I consider myself to be pretty well educated, yet find some of the language and waffle as if it’s some kind of speech to the Oxford Union.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The construction industry was never shut down.

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By *itonmyfacebookMan over a year ago

Burton on Trent

"It’s quite simple really isn’t it? If you’re not prepared to return to work, stay home. Claim benefits. Someone else willingly take your job. "

Can you sign on to benefits if you do that?

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By *itonmyfacebookMan over a year ago

Burton on Trent

"The construction industry was never shut down.

That's how much Boris / his speech writers know about life in the real world.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"The construction industry was never shut down.

Bellway, Redrow, Barratt, Persimmon, Vistry and Taylor Wimpey to name a few that did

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By *essie.Woman over a year ago

Serendipity

Isn’t he laying it all out in more detail in parliament today? I actually think his speech would have been better just done today, when you’ve got the proper detail.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

Halloween Decks are up and looking fabulous

"Isn’t he laying it all out in more detail in parliament today? I actually think his speech would have been better just done today, when you’ve got the proper detail.

50 pages worth of detail.

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man over a year ago

BRIDPORT

"But it isn’t solely those sectors being told to return. I think he’s trying to get the country & economy en masse back working isn’t he ?

Yes, that's exactly what he said. Nothing to do with class or professions at all. Just people twisting the facts to misinform and scaremongering as usual.

Who has never stopped working?"

I haven’t stopped working, haven’t had a day off since before it all started and I know others the same.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The construction industry was never shut down.

Bellway, Redrow, Barratt, Persimmon, Vistry and Taylor Wimpey to name a few that did"

Government never told them to shut.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"The construction industry was never shut down.

Bellway, Redrow, Barratt, Persimmon, Vistry and Taylor Wimpey to name a few that did

Government never told them to shut."

But you said they didnt shut

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But it isn’t solely those sectors being told to return. I think he’s trying to get the country & economy en masse back working isn’t he ?

Yes, that's exactly what he said. Nothing to do with class or professions at all. Just people twisting the facts to misinform and scaremongering as usual. "

I’ve found throughout this a large proportion of people who can’t seem to read or listen to the guidance or simply don’t understand it and then create their own reality. And that ‘reality’ spreads through social media and causes misinformation. If some people aren’t comfortable returning to work, that’s their prerogative and I totally respect that. But personally I think people need to accept that for the short term future, whether that’s 6/12/18/24 months, how they work & Live is going to be different to before and they need to accept and adapt to it

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"But it isn’t solely those sectors being told to return. I think he’s trying to get the country & economy en masse back working isn’t he ?

Yes, that's exactly what he said. Nothing to do with class or professions at all. Just people twisting the facts to misinform and scaremongering as usual.

Go back and listento his speech he names to sectors manufacturing and construction.

Also on furlough pay you cannot refuse to go into work unless there is a specific issue on safety."

As examples, not purely just those professions it applies to and certainly didn't mention working class either. You are hearing what you want to hear.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The construction industry was never shut down.

Bellway, Redrow, Barratt, Persimmon, Vistry and Taylor Wimpey to name a few that did

Government never told them to shut.

But you said they didnt shut"

The construction industry was not told to close by the government.

If sites have closed it was the individual company's who made the choice to do so.

They were NOT locked down.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The construction industry was never shut down.

Bellway, Redrow, Barratt, Persimmon, Vistry and Taylor Wimpey to name a few that did

Government never told them to shut.

But you said they didnt shut"

No, they said it wasn’t shut down. That implies it wasn’t forced to stop. You have a real talent for reading something and picking words out of context and changing the intent

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man over a year ago

BRIDPORT

"The construction industry was never shut down.

Bellway, Redrow, Barratt, Persimmon, Vistry and Taylor Wimpey to name a few that did

Government never told them to shut.

But you said they didnt shut"

They didn’t get shut down, they chose to shut, most construction round here chose to stay open as did the builders merchants, they just altered their working practices to stay as safe as possible.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But it isn’t solely those sectors being told to return. I think he’s trying to get the country & economy en masse back working isn’t he ?

Yes, that's exactly what he said. Nothing to do with class or professions at all. Just people twisting the facts to misinform and scaremongering as usual.

Who has never stopped working?"

Thats me then... large office enough space for social distancing plus we've gone though 3 large packs of disinfectant wipes

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"But it isn’t solely those sectors being told to return. I think he’s trying to get the country & economy en masse back working isn’t he ?

Yes, that's exactly what he said. Nothing to do with class or professions at all. Just people twisting the facts to misinform and scaremongering as usual.

I totally agree with you here. It's something we need to take day by day. It's simple, things will ease up when it's safe for this to happen. What we don't need is Joe Blogs from here and Karen from Facebook putting their own spin on things and spreading misinformation, which in turn, will cause dissent amongst people. I'm heartily sick of it tbh.

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By *reasyontheeyesMan over a year ago

out in the sticks

"It just seems to me that Boris is throwing the working class construction and manufacturing workers under the bus.

He is saying they should go straight back to work when it is probably harder to social distance in a factory than in offices"

Anyone who can not work from home should go back to work if the can and socially distance.

Bin men, bus drivers etc have been doing that are they not working class?

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By *oldswarriorMan over a year ago

Falkirk

"But it isn’t solely those sectors being told to return. I think he’s trying to get the country & economy en masse back working isn’t he ?

Yes, that's exactly what he said. Nothing to do with class or professions at all. Just people twisting the facts to misinform and scaremongering as usual.

Go back and listento his speech he names to sectors manufacturing and construction.

Also on furlough pay you cannot refuse to go into work unless there is a specific issue on safety."

Your wrong.

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By *itonmyfacebookMan over a year ago

Burton on Trent

"But it isn’t solely those sectors being told to return. I think he’s trying to get the country & economy en masse back working isn’t he ?

Yes, that's exactly what he said. Nothing to do with class or professions at all. Just people twisting the facts to misinform and scaremongering as usual.

Who has never stopped working?

I haven’t stopped working, haven’t had a day off since before it all started and I know others the same. "

Not one day since middle of March?!

I wasn't asking for individual cases, was I. I've been working f/t + o/t. Which I really don't like with my son off school. I'm on the last of 4 days off ATM.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A lot of people are complaining that’s it’s ok to go back to work when it’s impossible to self distance from the staff but yet we can’t go and see our families

How does that work then

Exactly

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But it isn’t solely those sectors being told to return. I think he’s trying to get the country & economy en masse back working isn’t he ?

Yes, that's exactly what he said. Nothing to do with class or professions at all. Just people twisting the facts to misinform and scaremongering as usual.

Who has never stopped working?

I haven’t stopped working, haven’t had a day off since before it all started and I know others the same. "

After the night when lockdown was announced I spent the rest of that week at home. Not working, feeling sorry for myself and treating it like an enforced holiday. Then I gave my head a wobble and got back to business & making money. Money for myself, to pay staff, and paying into the public purse. And I haven’t stopped since, haven’t taken a day off. I’ve adapted parts of my business to be able to operate under this current new normal. And business is thriving, albeit not at my usual levels, to the point that I’ve been taking members of my team off furlough and integrating them back into work. The OPs comment shows a lack of understanding that many people, across all classes have been back working for a long time. No ‘class’ has been thrown under the bus, that’s just a negative non helpful comment. It’s time to get our great country & the economy moving again so let’s all work out a way how we can do that safely and take back control of our lives.

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By *adetMan over a year ago

South of Ipswich

"A lot of people are complaining that’s it’s ok to go back to work when it’s impossible to self distance from the staff but yet we can’t go and see our families

How does that work then

Exactly

I just saw footage of a crowd of people all dancing down the road in a long line. If everybody had stuck to 2m social distancing we would be a lot further forward by now

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By *itonmyfacebookMan over a year ago

Burton on Trent

"It just seems to me that Boris is throwing the working class construction and manufacturing workers under the bus.

He is saying they should go straight back to work when it is probably harder to social distance in a factory than in offices"

Seems more reiteration of Emily Maitlis's excellent intro to Newsnight on April 9th.

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By *atEvolutionCouple over a year ago

Halloween Decks are up and looking fabulous

and a 50 page detailed outline in Parliament today.

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By *otsMan over a year ago

Higham

Interestingly

This is what my colleague said and he's partially right.

Another forum.

Its very inspiring the stoney silence and total lack of reaction on here to the plight of middle sized businesses.

May I remind everyone that small businesses pay little tax.

large businesses through manipuation minimize their tax.

The businesses who actually pay tax and employ the lions share of people are mid sized.

Without them recovery and paying back the national debt will be a lot harder.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why are u posting this phase 5 roadmap ? That isn’t an official document for England. Is that for the ROI ????

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By *otsMan over a year ago

Higham

It's as close as you'll see until its posted publically

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's as close as you'll see until its posted publically"

Alternatively you could wait for the official UK information and not spread misinformation.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

"It just seems to me that Boris is throwing the working class construction and manufacturing workers under the bus.

He is saying they should go straight back to work when it is probably harder to social distance in a factory than in offices

Seems more reiteration of Emily Maitlis's excellent intro to Newsnight on April 9th. "

Interesting clup that

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's as close as you'll see until its posted publically"

So right now it’s just more unsubstantiated misinformation. You do realize it’s clear from a number of the words/phrases in there that’s it’s clearly not written for England don’t u ???

Km ? Gaelic Athletic Association ? Soccer ?

This isn’t our ‘roadmap’, it might be another countries. But how is that relevant to us ?

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

none of the building sites round near me. have been closed througout lockdown and most peeps i know have wanted to get back to work for the last 2 or 3 weeks. remember lockdown to to take pressure of the nhs and thats been done. this virus aibt going anywhere any time soon .are people expecting to sit on there arses getting 80% for the nxt 18 months? only ones who need to isolate are the old and those with health isdues.we might get lucky and get a vaccine then again we may just have to get used to living with it

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By *estivalMan over a year ago

borehamwood

"But it isn’t solely those sectors being told to return. I think he’s trying to get the country & economy en masse back working isn’t he ?

Yes, that's exactly what he said. Nothing to do with class or professions at all. Just people twisting the facts to misinform and scaremongering as usual.

Who has never stopped working?

I haven’t stopped working, haven’t had a day off since before it all started and I know others the same.

shhhhhh dont use common sense on here the doom mongers wont have anything to moan about

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By *ty31Man over a year ago

NW London

It's probably to do with the incoming extension to the furlough scheme for self employed workers. The govt grossly underestimated how many there are and are now trying to get places to reopen so that it doesn't unbalance their books.

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By *atcoupleCouple over a year ago

Suffolk - East Anglia

"But it isn’t solely those sectors being told to return. I think he’s trying to get the country & economy en masse back working isn’t he ?

Yes, that's exactly what he said. Nothing to do with class or professions at all. Just people twisting the facts to misinform and scaremongering as usual.

Who has never stopped working?

I haven’t stopped working, haven’t had a day off since before it all started and I know others the same.

Well said and most of all, well done!!

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man over a year ago

BRIDPORT

"But it isn’t solely those sectors being told to return. I think he’s trying to get the country & economy en masse back working isn’t he ?

Yes, that's exactly what he said. Nothing to do with class or professions at all. Just people twisting the facts to misinform and scaremongering as usual.

Who has never stopped working?

I haven’t stopped working, haven’t had a day off since before it all started and I know others the same.

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By *anejohnkent6263Couple over a year ago

canterbury

Did Boris have his bollocks cut off whilst in hospital

..he has lost them somewhere

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But it isn’t solely those sectors being told to return. I think he’s trying to get the country & economy en masse back working isn’t he ?

Yes, that's exactly what he said. Nothing to do with class or professions at all. Just people twisting the facts to misinform and scaremongering as usual.

Who has never stopped working?

I haven’t stopped working, haven’t had a day off since before it all started and I know others the same. "

Worked every day since the end of March although every second week I'm working from home and have chosen to work every weekend as it's time and a half on a Saturday and double time on a Sunday. Feeling a bit jaded but thankful to have job security right now.

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By *all me FlikWoman over a year ago

Galaxy Far Far Away

"But it isn’t solely those sectors being told to return. I think he’s trying to get the country & economy en masse back working isn’t he ?

Yes, that's exactly what he said. Nothing to do with class or professions at all. Just people twisting the facts to misinform and scaremongering as usual.

Who has never stopped working?

I haven’t stopped working, haven’t had a day off since before it all started and I know others the same. "

Same here

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By *itonmyfacebookMan over a year ago

Burton on Trent

"But it isn’t solely those sectors being told to return. I think he’s trying to get the country & economy en masse back working isn’t he ?

Yes, that's exactly what he said. Nothing to do with class or professions at all. Just people twisting the facts to misinform and scaremongering as usual.

Who has never stopped working?

I haven’t stopped working, haven’t had a day off since before it all started and I know others the same.

I'm sure I'll be quoted exceptions but most in the care sector get no extra for overtime. The same minimum qage pay for weekends and bank holidays. With Just a tiny bit more on December 25th itself.

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"But it isn’t solely those sectors being told to return. I think he’s trying to get the country & economy en masse back working isn’t he ?

Yes, that's exactly what he said. Nothing to do with class or professions at all. Just people twisting the facts to misinform and scaremongering as usual.

Who has never stopped working?

I haven’t stopped working, haven’t had a day off since before it all started and I know others the same.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why on earth is anyone even remotely surprised that Boris is "throwing the working class under the bus"?

That's his entire mantra since as long has he's been in politics.

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By *layfull pairingCouple over a year ago

Bristol

Strange how some people moan they can’t socialise and go out and meet up with family and friends etc... then moan when being asked to go back to work .. are some getting too comfortable on furlough maybe while others pick up the tab... the ones who are working who never had the option to bunk off... bin men, nurses, construction, supermarkets, care staff etc .. paying their taxes every week. These are the middle classes who been thrown under a bus I feel .

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By *ab jamesMan over a year ago

ribble valley

Why worry about what bojo said? People need to be responsible for themselves. If you need to go back to work, call your boss and ask about how this will work. If you feel unsafe, ask for better h+s. If your workplace won't keep you safe, say so, and don't return, until its sorted.

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By *uttyjonnMan over a year ago

cheshire

It will be interesting to see if anything comes out about furlough later.

Will they continue paying if someone says I can't maintain the 2m distancing so I'm not willing to return to work

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Construction, manufacturing. As with care and supermarket staff, public transport drivers, etc. it's the poor getting hammered and put at risk on the front line while the middle class remain safely tucked away.

R goes up it's only the poor who don't matter who are getting infected. "

It's always been that way throughout history. Always will be.

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By *heblackmacMan over a year ago

Ladywell, Lewisham.

"But it isn’t solely those sectors being told to return. I think he’s trying to get the country & economy en masse back working isn’t he ?

Yes, that's exactly what he said. Nothing to do with class or professions at all. Just people twisting the facts to misinform and scaremongering as usual.

Go back and listento his speech he names to sectors manufacturing and construction.

Also on furlough pay you cannot refuse to go into work unless there is a specific issue on safety."
farlough pay decrease from 80% to 60%

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But it isn’t solely those sectors being told to return. I think he’s trying to get the country & economy en masse back working isn’t he ?

Yes, that's exactly what he said. Nothing to do with class or professions at all. Just people twisting the facts to misinform and scaremongering as usual. "

Absolutely bang on

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But it isn’t solely those sectors being told to return. I think he’s trying to get the country & economy en masse back working isn’t he ?

Yes, that's exactly what he said. Nothing to do with class or professions at all. Just people twisting the facts to misinform and scaremongering as usual.

Who has never stopped working?

I haven’t stopped working, haven’t had a day off since before it all started and I know others the same. "

Same here, apart from 4 or 5 days between made redundant end of March until I got a new job I've worked through out

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

"But it isn’t solely those sectors being told to return. I think he’s trying to get the country & economy en masse back working isn’t he ?

Yes, that's exactly what he said. Nothing to do with class or professions at all. Just people twisting the facts to misinform and scaremongering as usual.

Who has never stopped working?

I haven’t stopped working, haven’t had a day off since before it all started and I know others the same.

Same here, apart from 4 or 5 days between made redundant end of March until I got a new job I've worked through out

Hats off to you

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By *arracksCouple over a year ago

Deal

"But it isn’t solely those sectors being told to return. I think he’s trying to get the country & economy en masse back working isn’t he ?

Yes, that's exactly what he said. Nothing to do with class or professions at all. Just people twisting the facts to misinform and scaremongering as usual.

Who has never stopped working?"

Me,for one...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Strange how some people moan they can’t socialise and go out and meet up with family and friends etc... then moan when being asked to go back to work .. are some getting too comfortable on furlough maybe while others pick up the tab... the ones who are working who never had the option to bunk off... bin men, nurses, construction, supermarkets, care staff etc .. paying their taxes every week. These are the middle classes who been thrown under a bus I feel . "
Bunk off ?

Comfortable on Furlough?

Generalize much ?

I am on furlough waiting on my company to say come back In.

Yet the mrs has had to work on 12 hour shifts 6 days a week .

So yeah it's a cushy number.FFS.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It just seems to me that Boris is throwing the working class construction and manufacturing workers under the bus.

He is saying they should go straight back to work when it is probably harder to social distance in a factory than in offices

But he also said:

That the Government have been working to establish new guidance to make the workplace covid secure..

Oh that must mean its ok then if boris says

If you don't believe him - don't go back."

Do you still believe him?

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By *al2001Man over a year ago

kildare

Other countries with humane leaders are more than willing to sit this out and keep paying it's citizens to stay home for just a little bit longer in order to save lives

Of course Boris isn't one of them

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There is a great meme on Facebook it goes....

Ignore Boris, listen to Sturgeon, Save Lives!!!

You lot in Englandshire voted for him. He's yours. You keep him!!

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By *itonmyfacebookMan over a year ago

Burton on Trent

"Why on earth is anyone even remotely surprised that Boris is "throwing the working class under the bus"?

That's his entire mantra since as long has he's been in politics."

Yes. It's only what folk voted in.

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By *uttyjonnMan over a year ago

cheshire

"Other countries with humane leaders are more than willing to sit this out and keep paying it's citizens to stay home for just a little bit longer in order to save lives

Of course Boris isn't one of them

Out of interest, which ones are doing this?

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman over a year ago

all loved up

I dont think the government can win. A few weeks ago people were moaning about how can we keep all these businesses shut.. they will go under etc. I just want to get back to work.

Now it's all the PM doesnt care.. hes throwing the working class under the bus...

We have to save the economy as well as help guard the health service from being overwhelmed. I know loads more people that have lost their jobs than got the dreaded virus.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I dont think the government can win. A few weeks ago people were moaning about how can we keep all these businesses shut.. they will go under etc. I just want to get back to work.

Now it's all the PM doesnt care.. hes throwing the working class under the bus...

We have to save the economy as well as help guard the health service from being overwhelmed. I know loads more people that have lost their jobs than got the dreaded virus. "
Yes it's a big worry.

They need to balance health and wealth.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It’s quite simple really isn’t it? If you’re not prepared to return to work, stay home. Claim benefits. Someone else willingly take your job.

Can you sign on to benefits if you do that? "

Hopefully not

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By *mmabluTV/TS over a year ago

upton wirral

"It just seems to me that Boris is throwing the working class construction and manufacturing workers under the bus.

He is saying they should go straight back to work when it is probably harder to social distance in a factory than in offices"
We cannot live in fear forever otherwise we will all starve to death.We must be aware and stay alert.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The construction industry was never shut down.

Bellway, Redrow, Barratt, Persimmon, Vistry and Taylor Wimpey to name a few that did

Government never told them to shut.

But you said they didnt shut

No, they said it wasn’t shut down. That implies it wasn’t forced to stop. You have a real talent for reading something and picking words out of context and changing the intent "

Ha ha far too many have that talent.... Anything to cause hysteria and an argument..... I'm sure people read to argue instead of read to understand then respond

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By *ondon-guy68Man over a year ago

London

It’ could still be weeks until the smaller sites can reopen properly anyway. I’ve not worked since the lockdown started as we just couldn’t get materials and the supply chain for all the other essentials to carry on has stooped as well and will take time to get back to normal.

Still feels like certain sectors are being treated like guinea pigs though but even with that in mind I would still go back tomorrow, regardless of the consequences.

Sitting at home don’t pay the bills.

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By *DW1983Man over a year ago

Aberdeen, Leeds, Sheffield

I've pretty much given in listening to the news, it seems that half of it is people moaning that we should have gone into lockdiwn sooner, and the ither half wanting to know how soon it'll be over. If Boris had done A B and C like all the people who know better say he should, instead of X Y and Z that he did, then those same people would no doubt now be jumping up and down questioning why he did A B and C not X Y and Z.

If he'd singled out construction workers and retail staff and told them *not* to go back to work, people would be complaining that he was throwing those on low incomes who need to work, who need to earn money to survive, etc, under the bus by making them stay home. You can't win.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS over a year ago

Central

We certainly need explicitly clear rules for when people are working. This should include responsibility and perhaps a whistleblowers service, for where staff are put in to danger that contravenes covid-19 rules that supplement health and safety legislation. Nothing should be vague or allowed to be at an employers discretion.

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By *ittleMissCaliWoman over a year ago

all loved up

"It’s quite simple really isn’t it? If you’re not prepared to return to work, stay home. Claim benefits. Someone else willingly take your job.

Can you sign on to benefits if you do that?

Hopefully not"
dont quote me on it but a friend who works for the job centre has said that losing your job due to lack of health and safety is a reason to sign on. When they are ringing new claimants they ask If there unemployment is covid related and thats a yes or no answer.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There's been allot of factories still running while this has been going on, they was told that though its impossible to social distance in all instances they could still work as long as they put measure in place like extra cleaning, I don't think they got any explicit rules though on what they needed to do so will be interesting to see if any come out now

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By *62newbiesCouple over a year ago

Ulverston

Are office workers not working class. People who can work from home not working class ? Is that inverse snobbery ?

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

the problem is that some sectors who never needed to shut down did.... the stay home message was too successful and now the govt have to try and dig themselves out of that hole.....

they gonna blame the public for actually listening to them!!!

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By *itonmyfacebookMan over a year ago

Burton on Trent

"It’s quite simple really isn’t it? If you’re not prepared to return to work, stay home. Claim benefits. Someone else willingly take your job.

Can you sign on to benefits if you do that?

Hopefully not dont quote me on it but a friend who works for the job centre has said that losing your job due to lack of health and safety is a reason to sign on. When they are ringing new claimants they ask If there unemployment is covid related and thats a yes or no answer. "

It used to be that job centre checked with one's last employer regarding reason for loss of job. For example benefits couldn't be claimed by someone who'd left their job because they'd had an argument and/or been sacked for gross misconduct.

Wonder if someone says they're not going back to work because they consider it unsafe due to Covid 19; not enough PPE or distancing, for example but the employer claims it's safe?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It was just on sky news.

The highest death rates for working people.

Are taxi drivers,bus drivers,construction workers and chefs.

Yet he singled out construction workers out last night as being encouraged to go back to work.

That's confusing in itself.

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By *itonmyfacebookMan over a year ago

Burton on Trent

"Are office workers not working class. People who can work from home not working class ? Is that inverse snobbery ?"

Seems more a case of blue and white collar working.

With globalization; most production being moved to poorer countries, it's maybe not so easy to distinguish the former as it used to be. More a case of care worker and supermarket staff, etc. now.

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By *itonmyfacebookMan over a year ago

Burton on Trent

"It was just on sky news.

The highest death rates for working people.

Are taxi drivers,bus drivers,construction workers and chefs.

Yet he singled out construction workers out last night as being encouraged to go back to work.

That's confusing in itself."

Building sites seemed to be an ambiguous issue right at the start of lockdown. For example: was building luxury flats essential labour?

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By *itonmyfacebookMan over a year ago

Burton on Trent

"the problem is that some sectors who never needed to shut down did.... the stay home message was too successful and now the govt have to try and dig themselves out of that hole.....

they gonna blame the public for actually listening to them!!!

Sure it's always been the poors' fault that they're poor.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It was just on sky news.

The highest death rates for working people.

Are taxi drivers,bus drivers,construction workers and chefs.

Yet he singled out construction workers out last night as being encouraged to go back to work.

That's confusing in itself.

Building sites seemed to be an ambiguous issue right at the start of lockdown. For example: was building luxury flats essential labour? "

I agree our company took the furlough route but others didnt.

I am back at work a week today.

But there needs to be some kind of relaxation of the 2 metre rule as we need to work in pairs and sometimes its impossible to be 2 metres apart.

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"It was just on sky news.

The highest death rates for working people.

Are taxi drivers,bus drivers,construction workers and chefs.

Yet he singled out construction workers out last night as being encouraged to go back to work.

That's confusing in itself.

Building sites seemed to be an ambiguous issue right at the start of lockdown. For example: was building luxury flats essential labour? "

my answer to that was as long as what you were doing was to make that building or property safe, then yes it would count as essential labour...(social distancing rules apply)

see the government got themselves into all this when they were encouraging pubs to shut... but not forcing them to because it would affect their "insurance buddies".....

they leave everything so vague we are here thinking WTF, and probably wont't know till they release the 50 page outline in parliament...

even then.. i know that Trade and BEIS are bringing out extra guidelines for employers.... and those may not come out till tomorrow/wednesday....

its basically a cluster at the moment!

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By *itonmyfacebookMan over a year ago

Burton on Trent

"It was just on sky news.

The highest death rates for working people.

Are taxi drivers,bus drivers,construction workers and chefs.

Yet he singled out construction workers out last night as being encouraged to go back to work.

That's confusing in itself.

Building sites seemed to be an ambiguous issue right at the start of lockdown. For example: was building luxury flats essential labour?

I agree our company took the furlough route but others didnt.

I am back at work a week today.

But there needs to be some kind of relaxation of the 2 metre rule as we need to work in pairs and sometimes its impossible to be 2 metres apart."

Yes. There's also been a roofer on here who's raised that point well.

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By *ick270Man over a year ago

Here

The U.K. has been asked to

‘use your common sense’

It is why the majority are struggling.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Why on earth is anyone even remotely surprised that Boris is "throwing the working class under the bus"?

That's his entire mantra since as long has he's been in politics.

Yes. It's only what folk voted in."

Yes indeed. 13,941,086 people inflicted this government on us.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The U.K. has been asked to

‘use your common sense’

It is why the majority are struggling."

This whole thing has been common sense but the government had none and had to use science

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And the science has been shite...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The U.K. has been asked to

‘use your common sense’

It is why the majority are struggling.

This whole thing has been common sense but the government had none and had to use science

Yeah I mean who would ever listen to science experts right

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By *riskynriskyCouple over a year ago

Essex.

"It was just on sky news.

The highest death rates for working people.

Are taxi drivers,bus drivers,construction workers and chefs.

Yet he singled out construction workers out last night as being encouraged to go back to work.

That's confusing in itself."

I work in central London and when the lockdown first came in and I was still using the tube and buses, many of the other passengers were construction workers.

I started cycling, so don't use public transport in London now but there are still plenty of construction workers about and no doubt most of them are still using public transport which that tw*t Khan decided to cut back...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The U.K. has been asked to

‘use your common sense’

It is why the majority are struggling.

This whole thing has been common sense but the government had none and had to use science

Yeah I mean who would ever listen to science experts right

But the so called experts have been all over the place dont you think?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The U.K. has been asked to

‘use your common sense’

It is why the majority are struggling.

This whole thing has been common sense but the government had none and had to use science

Yeah I mean who would ever listen to science experts right

But the so called experts have been all over the place dont you think?"

The scientific advice has been clear and consistent.

Politicians around the globe have paid various levels of heed to the advice.

New Zealand, Singapore, Greece etc, paying close attention.

Brazil, USA, UK, paying less attention.

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

"I've pretty much given in listening to the news, it seems that half of it is people moaning that we should have gone into lockdiwn sooner, and the ither half wanting to know how soon it'll be over. If Boris had done A B and C like all the people who know better say he should, instead of X Y and Z that he did, then those same people would no doubt now be jumping up and down questioning why he did A B and C not X Y and Z.

Agreed, he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The uk government is about 4th in the world of people happy with handling the virus.

Just been looking Japan only 5% behind their government, makes you think when folk knock the uk.

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By *ig1gaz1Man over a year ago

bradford

"Interestingly

This is what my colleague said and he's partially right.

Another forum.

Its very inspiring the stoney silence and total lack of reaction on here to the plight of middle sized businesses.

May I remind everyone that small businesses pay little tax.

large businesses through manipuation minimize their tax.

The businesses who actually pay tax and employ the lions share of people are mid sized.

Without them recovery and paying back the national debt will be a lot harder."

actually its the poor to middle working class that keeps the economy going.

As much as they can bring us out of recession faster.

Its these people who have wants that buy materials, wallpaper, garden stuff and many others.

If people dont know where they stand with wages and there jobs they simple dont spend.

Thats why we struggled on the last recession and not come out of it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The U.K. has been asked to

‘use your common sense’

It is why the majority are struggling.

This whole thing has been common sense but the government had none and had to use science

Yeah I mean who would ever listen to science experts right

But the so called experts have been all over the place dont you think?"

I dunno, New Zealand listened to scientific experts and they look like they’re doing pretty well

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The uk government is about 4th in the world of people happy with handling the virus.

Just been looking Japan only 5% behind their government, makes you think when folk knock the uk. "

This is an excellent victory for the huge amount of effort, time, money and resources that go into the PR campaigns.

Keeping the population submissive and compliant while having one of the highest death rates in the world! Sterling work.

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By *ister.mrMan over a year ago

birmingham

I thought with the incoming virus ,its best to stay at home,then they make your work place safer so i return to work.Dont think the gov wanted such a lockdown to last forever,and are slowly trying different stages to slowly repair the economy,they wont enforce it by law,because people will blame etc if things go wrong,all i can say is man up grow up,face the situation and make your choice save the life style you were living and want to return,or watch it all disappear never to return.Dont sit behind your key boards saying you have the answers ,come out and show us,dont moan about working class or the poor dont matter,you will never change that unless you go back to school or maybe get a better job

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By *rotic-TouchTV/TS over a year ago

doncaster

If you voted for Boris and his cronies then suck it up , you wanted him in charge !!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

This is both good and bad news. The bad news is that Boris threw the working class under the bus.

The good news being that he hasn't sent the bus driver back to work. And a stationary bus is the roof over our heads we have been asking for.

Yay Boris my hero!

Good old Rishi too so thoughtful of him to wean us off furlough lest we become to 'addicted' to having an income

What a guy!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Always read the small print.

When the large print reads:

"WE WILL STAND BEHIND YOU"

The small print might read:

"Because we can't throw you under the bus while we're in front of you"

What is it with Boris and buses?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I thought with the incoming virus ,its best to stay at home,then they make your work place safer so i return to work.Dont think the gov wanted such a lockdown to last forever,and are slowly trying different stages to slowly repair the economy,they wont enforce it by law,because people will blame etc if things go wrong,all i can say is man up grow up,face the situation and make your choice save the life style you were living and want to return,or watch it all disappear never to return.Dont sit behind your key boards saying you have the answers ,come out and show us,dont moan about working class or the poor dont matter,you will never change that unless you go back to school or maybe get a better job"

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By *iss_tressWoman over a year ago

London

"A lot of people are complaining that’s it’s ok to go back to work when it’s impossible to self distance from the staff but yet we can’t go and see our families

How does that work then"

That's what I don't get either. Along with it's okay to travel to work on a packed tube train but you have to be 6ft from co-workers !

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By *itonmyfacebookMan over a year ago

Burton on Trent

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By *itonmyfacebookMan over a year ago

Burton on Trent

Sure the educated working from home regardless get all of what Boris has said.

Obviously the fault of the poor for not being educated enough to understand this very clear message.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sure the educated working from home regardless get all of what Boris has said.

Obviously the fault of the poor for not being educated enough to understand this very clear message."

Its the bottom third of his post that I agree with.

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By *eah BabyCouple over a year ago

Cheshire, Windermere ,Cumbria

A lot of company’s haven’t stopped working since March, like those that supply to the NHS, & Care Homes, Food supply chains etc. etc. Some B&Q suppliers opened back up a few weeks ago, not everybody stopped and of which are close contact. If everybody stopped working back in March and it was total lockdown where would we be today? Starving and dead, sorry but that’s the harsh reality, the first rush to the supermarket that most did wouldn’t last 18 months, we can not all stay locked away until the vaccine comes or we would cease to exist wouldn’t we. Just need to be sensible in what you do and make sure your employer has done as much as possible to allow distancing and be safety aware, it’s their responsibility, so ask them, if your worried and can stay on Furlough do so.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A lot of company’s haven’t stopped working since March, like those that supply to the NHS, & Care Homes, Food supply chains etc. etc. Some B&Q suppliers opened back up a few weeks ago, not everybody stopped and of which are close contact. If everybody stopped working back in March and it was total lockdown where would we be today? Starving and dead, sorry but that’s the harsh reality, the first rush to the supermarket that most did wouldn’t last 18 months, we can not all stay locked away until the vaccine comes or we would cease to exist wouldn’t we. Just need to be sensible in what you do and make sure your employer has done as much as possible to allow distancing and be safety aware, it’s their responsibility, so ask them, if your worried and can stay on Furlough do so. "

Fully agreed.

Apart from the furlough bit I think that will be phased out soon.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"So don’t go back to work then. "

What is your employers are making you ??

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By *sGivesWoodWoman over a year ago

ST. AUSTELL, CORNWALL

"A lot of people are complaining that’s it’s ok to go back to work when it’s impossible to self distance from the staff but yet we can’t go and see our families

How does that work then

That's what I don't get either. Along with it's okay to travel to work on a packed tube train but you have to be 6ft from co-workers !"

Did he tell people to travel on packed tube trains? No he didn't. He said to avoid publ3 transport if you can.

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By *mokes n MirrorsCouple over a year ago

Plymouth and Newcastle (sometimes)

"But it isn’t solely those sectors being told to return. I think he’s trying to get the country & economy en masse back working isn’t he ?

Yes, that's exactly what he said. Nothing to do with class or professions at all. Just people twisting the facts to misinform and scaremongering as usual.

Who has never stopped working?"

Neither of us has stopped working as P is NHS keyworker and I can go to work and not even see another person all day let alone have to think about social distancing.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"A lot of people are complaining that’s it’s ok to go back to work when it’s impossible to self distance from the staff but yet we can’t go and see our families

How does that work then

That's what I don't get either. Along with it's okay to travel to work on a packed tube train but you have to be 6ft from co-workers !

Did he tell people to travel on packed tube trains? No he didn't. He said to avoid publ3 transport if you can. "

‘If you can’ how do people without their own transport get to work?

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By *itonmyfacebookMan over a year ago

Burton on Trent

Ahh some clarity, from Wednesday .. whilst the great unwashed are herded onto public transport or cycling through head winds in order to be exploited in the workplace , the boss can play golf, safely ... maybe they will observe your productivity and social distancing via their smartphones..

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By *nnnikCouple over a year ago

Walsall

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sure the educated working from home regardless get all of what Boris has said.

Obviously the fault of the poor for not being educated enough to understand this very clear message.

Its the bottom third of his post that I agree with.

Fair play, at least you're not one of the Tories who pretends to give a fuck about poor people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sure the educated working from home regardless get all of what Boris has said.

Obviously the fault of the poor for not being educated enough to understand this very clear message.

Its the bottom third of his post that I agree with.

Fair play, at least you're not one of the Tories who pretends to give a fuck about poor people. "

Me ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sure the educated working from home regardless get all of what Boris has said.

Obviously the fault of the poor for not being educated enough to understand this very clear message.

Its the bottom third of his post that I agree with.

Fair play, at least you're not one of the Tories who pretends to give a fuck about poor people.

Me ?"

I understood you were agreeing with this kind of sentiment.

"Obviously the fault of the poor for not being educated enough to understand this very clear message."

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By *hetalkingstoveMan over a year ago

London

Did he tell people to travel on packed tube trains? No he didn't. He said to avoid publ3 transport if you can. "

If people are being told to go back to work, and public transport is their only option to get there, then they will be on the tube and trains.

People pretending this is all in the control of individuals are either naive or deliberately trying to shift blame off the government.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Did he tell people to travel on packed tube trains? No he didn't. He said to avoid publ3 transport if you can.

If people are being told to go back to work, and public transport is their only option to get there, then they will be on the tube and trains.

People pretending this is all in the control of individuals are either naive or deliberately trying to shift blame off the government. "

As FB said:

"The message seems to be that construction workers should go back to work, on foot, to make money for people who don't care if they live or die."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sure the educated working from home regardless get all of what Boris has said.

Obviously the fault of the poor for not being educated enough to understand this very clear message.

Its the bottom third of his post that I agree with.

Fair play, at least you're not one of the Tories who pretends to give a fuck about poor people.

Me ?

I understood you were agreeing with this kind of sentiment.

"Obviously the fault of the poor for not being educated enough to understand this very clear message.""

Dont sit behind your key boards saying you have the answers ,come out and show us,dont moan about working class or the poor dont matter,you will never change that unless you go back to school or maybe get a better job

That's the bit I agree with.

I am not conservative.

I am very working class.

I am a roofer and the Mrs is a care assistant is that working class enough.

But what is wrong with wanting to better yourself instead of sitting behind a keyboard whining about it.

Haha a geordie tory the very thought of it

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By *itonmyfacebookMan over a year ago

Burton on Trent

Sure the educated working from home regardless get all of what Boris has said.

Obviously the fault of the poor for not being educated enough to understand this very clear message.

Its the bottom third of his post that I agree with.

Fair play, at least you're not one of the Tories who pretends to give a fuck about poor people.

Me ?

I understood you were agreeing with this kind of sentiment.

"Obviously the fault of the poor for not being educated enough to understand this very clear message."

That's the bit I agree with.

I am not conservative.

I am very working class.

I am a roofer and the Mrs is a care assistant is that working class enough.

But what is wrong with wanting to better yourself instead of sitting behind a keyboard whining about it.

Haha a geordie tory the very thought of it

'Better oneself' is rather ambiguous.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sure the educated working from home regardless get all of what Boris has said.

Obviously the fault of the poor for not being educated enough to understand this very clear message.

Its the bottom third of his post that I agree with.

Fair play, at least you're not one of the Tories who pretends to give a fuck about poor people.

Me ?

I understood you were agreeing with this kind of sentiment.

"Obviously the fault of the poor for not being educated enough to understand this very clear message."

That's the bit I agree with.

I am not conservative.

I am very working class.

I am a roofer and the Mrs is a care assistant is that working class enough.

But what is wrong with wanting to better yourself instead of sitting behind a keyboard whining about it.

Haha a geordie tory the very thought of it

Fair enough.

Nothing wrong with wanting to improve your personal situation. For some people it's not as easy as "going back to school" or "getting another job".

And I would still suggest that's it's valid to speak out against the government when you feel they have let us down.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It just seems to me that Boris is throwing the working class construction and manufacturing workers under the bus.

He is saying they should go straight back to work when it is probably harder to social distance in a factory than in offices"

Well that’s not true is it. It’s about as true as my bust.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sure the educated working from home regardless get all of what Boris has said.

Obviously the fault of the poor for not being educated enough to understand this very clear message.

Its the bottom third of his post that I agree with.

Fair play, at least you're not one of the Tories who pretends to give a fuck about poor people.

Me ?

I understood you were agreeing with this kind of sentiment.

"Obviously the fault of the poor for not being educated enough to understand this very clear message."

That's the bit I agree with.

I am not conservative.

I am very working class.

I am a roofer and the Mrs is a care assistant is that working class enough.

But what is wrong with wanting to better yourself instead of sitting behind a keyboard whining about it.

Haha a geordie tory the very thought of it

Fair enough.

Nothing wrong with wanting to improve your personal situation. For some people it's not as easy as "going back to school" or "getting another job".

And I would still suggest that's it's valid to speak out against the government when you feel they have let us down. "

Agreed you should speak out against them.

But iam sure there are more constructive places to do that than swingers site.

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By *arialoueWoman over a year ago

bradford

I work in a factory n have been working since the start of all this we social distances where we can n working to improve it where its harder to social distances

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sure the educated working from home regardless get all of what Boris has said.

Obviously the fault of the poor for not being educated enough to understand this very clear message.

Its the bottom third of his post that I agree with.

Fair play, at least you're not one of the Tories who pretends to give a fuck about poor people.

Me ?

I understood you were agreeing with this kind of sentiment.

"Obviously the fault of the poor for not being educated enough to understand this very clear message."

That's the bit I agree with.

I am not conservative.

I am very working class.

I am a roofer and the Mrs is a care assistant is that working class enough.

But what is wrong with wanting to better yourself instead of sitting behind a keyboard whining about it.

Haha a geordie tory the very thought of it

Fair enough.

Nothing wrong with wanting to improve your personal situation. For some people it's not as easy as "going back to school" or "getting another job".

And I would still suggest that's it's valid to speak out against the government when you feel they have let us down.

Agreed you should speak out against them.

But iam sure there are more constructive places to do that than swingers site."

True. There are more constructive places, and I'm sure may of us do.

Also seems appropriate on a thread specifically about how we've been let down, to talk about these things.

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By *ister.mrMan over a year ago

birmingham

I dont think ive been let down,its the usual rant about tories or labour who can do better,as if we seem to know,i know you google and quote facts ,which i will agree with if you can prove them to be true,100% with no doubt ,we are not in a good place when a nation is fighting this global problem and you,we are all bickering.You see i would take notice and follow your guidance, to stay safe,if you were of some authority, but sittin behind your keyboard,maybe with yer dick out coming across as i got the answers doesnt convince me.Sorry,its as if you want this government to fail this mammoth task,they shut the country down ffs,who wants to do that,you will say it was too late etc,but how do we know,surely they will have more facts than you to help with their decision

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I work in a factory n have been working since the start of all this we social distances where we can n working to improve it where its harder to social distances "

My mates have been doing the same. It was new at the start but everyone is used to it now. It works fine.

Supermarkets have been managing it for 7 weeks. I don't know what people don't understand.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But it isn’t solely those sectors being told to return. I think he’s trying to get the country & economy en masse back working isn’t he ?

Yes, that's exactly what he said. Nothing to do with class or professions at all. Just people twisting the facts to misinform and scaremongering as usual.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It's probably to do with the incoming extension to the furlough scheme for self employed workers. The govt grossly underestimated how many there are and are now trying to get places to reopen so that it doesn't unbalance their books."

I agree with you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It just seems to me that Boris is throwing the working class construction and manufacturing workers under the bus.

He is saying they should go straight back to work when it is probably harder to social distance in a factory than in offices"

I am an installation and maintenance engineer in the food production industry and have been working throughout this crisis and visiting a wide number of what yiu can call factories, we in the industry call them packhouses.

The people who generally work the shop floors and the lines in these places are your working class.

I can assure you that the packhouses have risk assessed every possible process and area thoroughly and put in place every arrangement possible to ensure that social distancing and safety are still met. Most of them have also created a one way system, like in the supermarkets, floor markings of a far superior method than the supermarkets, removed seating at canteen tables to also ensure distancing is kept.

It is down to the individual business, shop, factory to carry out risk assessments and implement everything they deem necessary to ensure their employees are kept safe, and not the job of the government, if they feel the risk is too great then they need to keep current policies of work from home or keeping people on furlough.

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By *ewcouplemidsCouple over a year ago

walsall

To be fair work in construction and have remained working onsite with others not in my household all through this

Some jobs can't be done by one man so social distancing has been hard but glad I've remained at work throughout as sitting at home all day worrying about what could of happened would of drove me nuts

All the lads I work with have tried where possible to remain 2 metres apart unless a job stops it so we have managed to carry on

People forget workers that have had no choice but to carry on to support families or provide support to the public such as NHS prison service carers and such people

They have put themselves and their families at risk providing care for others its a good job they all wasn't selfish at the beginning and said we are staying at home like many on here say we should all do

There would of been triple the deaths if they had

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By *uysx2Couple (MM) over a year ago

Birmingham

"It just seems to me that Boris is throwing the working class construction and manufacturing workers under the bus.

He is saying they should go straight back to work when it is probably harder to social distance in a factory than in offices"

Wouldn't it be good if the left wing could see the bigger picture instead of trying to score political points.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It just seems to me that Boris is throwing the working class construction and manufacturing workers under the bus.

He is saying they should go straight back to work when it is probably harder to social distance in a factory than in offices

Wouldn't it be good if the left wing could see the bigger picture instead of trying to score political points."

Why is it only the leftwing that don't want manufacturing and construction workers to die of Covid-19?

I'm not left wing, and I don't want them to die.

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By *istyblue1967Man over a year ago

manchester

did he tell the city bankers to go back to work ???

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"did he tell the city bankers to go back to work ???"

They're working remotely from their penthouse apartments.

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By *istyblue1967Man over a year ago

manchester

lol nice one

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

There is two things to consider before returning to work.

1) Is it as safe as possible

2) if you stay home will your job survive an extended closure

Not an easy choice buts that's life .

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"There is a great meme on Facebook it goes....

Ignore Boris, listen to Sturgeon, Save Lives!!!

You lot in Englandshire voted for him. He's yours. You keep him!!

Not in my name!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But it isn’t solely those sectors being told to return. I think he’s trying to get the country & economy en masse back working isn’t he ?

Yes, that's exactly what he said. Nothing to do with class or professions at all. Just people twisting the facts to misinformand scaremongering as usual.

Go back and listento his speech he names to sectors manufacturing and construction.

Also on furlough pay you cannot refuse to go into work unless there is a specific issue on safety."

I believe he was using those industries as a "for example". Clearly they are professions that you need to be at the workplace to conduct them.

He also stressed that of you can work from home then you should do.

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By *ETSHAVEFUN1Man over a year ago

bromsgrove

For fuck sake .

A lot of people actually work in this country, we can not all work from home.

Oh piss take how many put in 8 hours working from home.?,??,

I work in manufacturing, oh this is what we need.

fucking service industry.?????

With no money service industry not exist.

Make something sell it oh fucking new money.

It's all shit

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

To all those that voted for him, we only have yourselves to blame.

He was voted in to get Brexit done, not for his leadership qualities.

So on one hand he got us out of the EU, while at the same time killing us with his vague directions.

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By *eeBee67Man over a year ago

Masked and Distant

I and our company have not stopped working all the way through.

1. Keep away from others.

2. Keep your hands clean.

Dont stick your fingers in your orifices if you've not done 2. Above.

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By *yn drwgMan over a year ago

Camarthen

"The construction industry was never shut down.

Bellway, Redrow, Barratt, Persimmon, Vistry and Taylor Wimpey to name a few that did"

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"To all those that voted for him, we only have yourselves to blame.

He was voted in to get Brexit done, not for his leadership qualities.

So on one hand he got us out of the EU, while at the same time killing us with his vague directions."

The people who are killing this country are the ones with a negative attitude

Thank fuck we haven't got to fight a war now

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By *arlomaleMan over a year ago

darlington

"The construction industry was never shut down.

Bellway, Redrow, Barratt, Persimmon, Vistry and Taylor Wimpey to name a few that did

There's more to construction than those corporate companies, I've not stopped, we work safe, travel to work in separate vehicles and I'm busting a gut every day trying to find materials to keep a few boys in work."
we paid 25 per bag for multi finish people selling them online as we are struggling for materials up our way

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"It just seems to me that Boris is throwing the working class construction and manufacturing workers under the bus.

He is saying they should go straight back to work when it is probably harder to social distance in a factory than in offices

Wouldn't it be good if the left wing could see the bigger picture instead of trying to score political points.

Why is it only the leftwing that don't want manufacturing and construction workers to die of Covid-19?

I'm not left wing, and I don't want them to die."

If you're going to say things like that I want my copy of Das Kapital back!

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By *yn drwgMan over a year ago

Camarthen

"did he tell the city bankers to go back to work ???"

While I have no time for your city banker and they're activities what you have to remember is how the stock market has collapsed and has put everyone's future at risk again with pensions and savings.

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By *eeleyWoman over a year ago

Dudley

"To all those that voted for him, we only have yourselves to blame.

He was voted in to get Brexit done, not for his leadership qualities.

So on one hand he got us out of the EU, while at the same time killing us with his vague directions."

Yes because all these deaths are his fault

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"did he tell the city bankers to go back to work ???

While I have no time for your city banker and they're activities what you have to remember is how the stock market has collapsed and has put everyone's future at risk again with pensions and savings."

If COVID-19 had affected banking we would have been in lockdown in January.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"The construction industry was never shut down.

Bellway, Redrow, Barratt, Persimmon, Vistry and Taylor Wimpey to name a few that did

There's more to construction than those corporate companies, I've not stopped, we work safe, travel to work in separate vehicles and I'm busting a gut every day trying to find materials to keep a few boys in work. we paid 25 per bag for multi finish people selling them online as we are struggling for materials up our way "

£25?

fuckers..

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By *yn drwgMan over a year ago

Camarthen

"did he tell the city bankers to go back to work ???

While I have no time for your city banker and they're activities what you have to remember is how the stock market has collapsed and has put everyone's future at risk again with pensions and savings.

If COVID-19 had affected banking we would have been in lockdown in January. "

Yes that's the nature of the banking trade going up and down but but you can't compare the slide that's happened since lockdown

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By *arlomaleMan over a year ago

darlington

"The construction industry was never shut down.

Bellway, Redrow, Barratt, Persimmon, Vistry and Taylor Wimpey to name a few that did

There's more to construction than those corporate companies, I've not stopped, we work safe, travel to work in separate vehicles and I'm busting a gut every day trying to find materials to keep a few boys in work. we paid 25 per bag for multi finish people selling them online as we are struggling for materials up our way

£25?

fuckers.. "
yes £25 we needed to get the walls finished as it was holding the painters and joiners up hence we’d get countercharges against us and would be more costly mind he did throw in some skim beads for free

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Most of the working class have actually been working through all this anyway!. I dont know many who have been off at home.

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By *yn drwgMan over a year ago

Camarthen

"The construction industry was never shut down.

Bellway, Redrow, Barratt, Persimmon, Vistry and Taylor Wimpey to name a few that did

There's more to construction than those corporate companies, I've not stopped, we work safe, travel to work in separate vehicles and I'm busting a gut every day trying to find materials to keep a few boys in work. we paid 25 per bag for multi finish people selling them online as we are struggling for materials up our way

£25?

fuckers.. yes £25 we needed to get the walls finished as it was holding the painters and joiners up hence we’d get countercharges against us and would be more costly mind he did throw in some skim beads for free

Same here been paying well over the odds for materials, you did well to even find some plaster!

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

"The construction industry was never shut down.

Bellway, Redrow, Barratt, Persimmon, Vistry and Taylor Wimpey to name a few that did

There's more to construction than those corporate companies, I've not stopped, we work safe, travel to work in separate vehicles and I'm busting a gut every day trying to find materials to keep a few boys in work. we paid 25 per bag for multi finish people selling them online as we are struggling for materials up our way

£25?

fuckers.. "

Multi finish people? a Baltic Finnic ethnic group native to Finland

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

"The construction industry was never shut down.

Bellway, Redrow, Barratt, Persimmon, Vistry and Taylor Wimpey to name a few that did

There's more to construction than those corporate companies, I've not stopped, we work safe, travel to work in separate vehicles and I'm busting a gut every day trying to find materials to keep a few boys in work. we paid 25 per bag for multi finish people selling them online as we are struggling for materials up our way

£25?

fuckers..

Multi finish people? a Baltic Finnic ethnic group native to Finland

Why do I now think of spam and those bloody vikings..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you vote for a clown. You live on a circus....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you vote for a clown. You live on a circus...."

Just a pity our NHS workers had to walk the tight rope without a safety net

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By *heBirminghamWeekendMan over a year ago

here

"If you vote for a clown. You live on a circus...."

Don't you love farce?

My fault, I fear

I thought that you'd want what I want

Sorry, my dear!

But where are the clowns

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By *ister.mrMan over a year ago

birmingham

I cant see the left wing worrying about construction workers,your talking white van man here,we fukkin hate left wing pc tree huggers,and we know you got to get the job done,nobody else is goin to do it.Youve spent weeks and weeks,moaning about it all,waiting on press releases,if this was

China you would be dog food in the wet market pal.Shut the fuck up and let the sun come up ha ha lol

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I cant see the left wing worrying about construction workers,your talking white van man here,we fukkin hate left wing pc tree huggers,and we know you got to get the job done,nobody else is goin to do it.Youve spent weeks and weeks,moaning about it all,waiting on press releases,if this was

China you would be dog food in the wet market pal.Shut the fuck up and let the sun come up ha ha lol"

So you hate people who would be on your side politically?

You'll get a job done?

Something about dog food in a Chinese market and stop talking because it's somehow preventing the sun from rising?

Is that your general gist?

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By *arry247Couple over a year ago

Wakefield

"But it isn’t solely those sectors being told to return. I think he’s trying to get the country & economy en masse back working isn’t he ?

Yes, that's exactly what he said. Nothing to do with class or professions at all. Just people twisting the facts to misinform and scaremongering as usual.

Go back and listento his speech he names to sectors manufacturing and construction.

Also on furlough pay you cannot refuse to go into work unless there is a specific issue on safety.

He gave those as examples of people who are unlikely to be able to work from home. Whereas some office workers will be able to and those that can't should also go back to work "

If you think your working environment is unsafe you have the legal right to refuse to work until it is made safe.

Under the Employment Rights Act 1996 (ERA), employees have a right not to be subject to detriments (s.44(1)(d)) or dismissals (s.100(1)(d)) for leaving or refusing to return to work where they ‘reasonably believe’ there is a ‘serious and imminent’ danger which they could not reasonably have been expected to avert.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"But it isn’t solely those sectors being told to return. I think he’s trying to get the country & economy en masse back working isn’t he ?

Yes, that's exactly what he said. Nothing to do with class or professions at all. Just people twisting the facts to misinform and scaremongering as usual.

Go back and listento his speech he names to sectors manufacturing and construction.

Also on furlough pay you cannot refuse to go into work unless there is a specific issue on safety.

He gave those as examples of people who are unlikely to be able to work from home. Whereas some office workers will be able to and those that can't should also go back to work

If you think your working environment is unsafe you have the legal right to refuse to work until it is made safe.

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