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By *oxy_minx OP Woman
over a year ago
Scotland - Aberdeen |
I had a rather confusing and disturbing conversation with my dad yesterday.
Both him and his wife are currently isolating at their caravan (before the lockdown) and within a 2 hour drive back to see their own GP if necessary.
Now my dad has already gone through treatment for prostate cancer which included both chemo and radiotherapy which end at the end of January.
Thankful to say his last PSA count was something like 0.2 which was great to hear.
Now 2 weeks ago, he received a phone from his surgery completely out of the blue and they were asking him some questions which involved, if something were to happen to him, would he or wouldn't he like to be resuscitated, to which he said, well if I was going to be left in a vegetable state will no hope, no he wouldn't, but he also said he was fit and healthy and had many more miles in him yet.
Then 7 days ago, he received a 'Do Not Resuscitate' letter from his GP asking him to sign and return it asap.
To which fact he scored out various lines, and added 'Rescinded' in large letters and returned it.
A few days later the Dr called him to ask what were is intentions as they thought there must be some sort of misunderstanding as they had the previous phone call, He said there was no misunderstanding, he made it quite clear that he had many more miles in him yet, unless they knew something that he didn't? And to make sure that that letter was filed and properly documented in his file, but it was on the tip of his tongue to ask if this was their way of culling the over 70?
Has anyone heard of this happening in their area perchance? As I think this is a shocking way to act in current times, and how would you feel receiving a DNR notice through the post?   |
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over a year ago
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"I had a rather confusing and disturbing conversation with my dad yesterday.
Both him and his wife are currently isolating at their caravan (before the lockdown) and within a 2 hour drive back to see their own GP if necessary.
Now my dad has already gone through treatment for prostate cancer which included both chemo and radiotherapy which end at the end of January.
Thankful to say his last PSA count was something like 0.2 which was great to hear.
Now 2 weeks ago, he received a phone from his surgery completely out of the blue and they were asking him some questions which involved, if something were to happen to him, would he or wouldn't he like to be resuscitated, to which he said, well if I was going to be left in a vegetable state will no hope, no he wouldn't, but he also said he was fit and healthy and had many more miles in him yet.
Then 7 days ago, he received a 'Do Not Resuscitate' letter from his GP asking him to sign and return it asap.
To which fact he scored out various lines, and added 'Rescinded' in large letters and returned it.
A few days later the Dr called him to ask what were is intentions as they thought there must be some sort of misunderstanding as they had the previous phone call, He said there was no misunderstanding, he made it quite clear that he had many more miles in him yet, unless they knew something that he didn't? And to make sure that that letter was filed and properly documented in his file, but it was on the tip of his tongue to ask if this was their way of culling the over 70?
Has anyone heard of this happening in their area perchance? As I think this is a shocking way to act in current times, and how would you feel receiving a DNR notice through the post? "
He should make a complaint and ask them why he received a phone call about DNAR in the first place. |
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By *oxy_minx OP Woman
over a year ago
Scotland - Aberdeen |
"I had a rather confusing and disturbing conversation with my dad yesterday.
Both him and his wife are currently isolating at their caravan (before the lockdown) and within a 2 hour drive back to see their own GP if necessary.
Now my dad has already gone through treatment for prostate cancer which included both chemo and radiotherapy which end at the end of January.
Thankful to say his last PSA count was something like 0.2 which was great to hear.
Now 2 weeks ago, he received a phone from his surgery completely out of the blue and they were asking him some questions which involved, if something were to happen to him, would he or wouldn't he like to be resuscitated, to which he said, well if I was going to be left in a vegetable state will no hope, no he wouldn't, but he also said he was fit and healthy and had many more miles in him yet.
Then 7 days ago, he received a 'Do Not Resuscitate' letter from his GP asking him to sign and return it asap.
To which fact he scored out various lines, and added 'Rescinded' in large letters and returned it.
A few days later the Dr called him to ask what were is intentions as they thought there must be some sort of misunderstanding as they had the previous phone call, He said there was no misunderstanding, he made it quite clear that he had many more miles in him yet, unless they knew something that he didn't? And to make sure that that letter was filed and properly documented in his file, but it was on the tip of his tongue to ask if this was their way of culling the over 70?
Has anyone heard of this happening in their area perchance? As I think this is a shocking way to act in current times, and how would you feel receiving a DNR notice through the post?
He should make a complaint and ask them why he received a phone call about DNAR in the first place. "
Oh I think he will believe me, he just didn't think it was the time or the place and he would prefer to have a face to face conversation for that kind of thing. |
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over a year ago
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"I had a rather confusing and disturbing conversation with my dad yesterday.
Both him and his wife are currently isolating at their caravan (before the lockdown) and within a 2 hour drive back to see their own GP if necessary.
Now my dad has already gone through treatment for prostate cancer which included both chemo and radiotherapy which end at the end of January.
Thankful to say his last PSA count was something like 0.2 which was great to hear.
Now 2 weeks ago, he received a phone from his surgery completely out of the blue and they were asking him some questions which involved, if something were to happen to him, would he or wouldn't he like to be resuscitated, to which he said, well if I was going to be left in a vegetable state will no hope, no he wouldn't, but he also said he was fit and healthy and had many more miles in him yet.
Then 7 days ago, he received a 'Do Not Resuscitate' letter from his GP asking him to sign and return it asap.
To which fact he scored out various lines, and added 'Rescinded' in large letters and returned it.
A few days later the Dr called him to ask what were is intentions as they thought there must be some sort of misunderstanding as they had the previous phone call, He said there was no misunderstanding, he made it quite clear that he had many more miles in him yet, unless they knew something that he didn't? And to make sure that that letter was filed and properly documented in his file, but it was on the tip of his tongue to ask if this was their way of culling the over 70?
Has anyone heard of this happening in their area perchance? As I think this is a shocking way to act in current times, and how would you feel receiving a DNR notice through the post? "
DNACPR's are very common especially for elderly people with multiple conditions. Not all over 70s would be asked this.
It is a perfectly healthy conversation to have, and your dad was not clear of his intentions hence the misunderstanding. If he was clear that he was for resuscitation then he wouldnt have received the letter - there is no coercion here - your dad just didnt answer the questions clearly, |
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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago
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Yes, our local Doctors surgery made the news headlines in Wales for this very thing!!!
They sent out letters to folk who (i understand it) had recently been very poorly and had received hospital treatment. They sent one to an older gent who had received cancer treatment (and was currently in the clear). It caused the gent a lot of upset and his son went to the local press about it.
It was not a letter that had been ok’d by the local Hospital Authority or the NHS as a whole, just an idea the surgery had come up with  .
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over a year ago
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"Yes, our local Doctors surgery made the news headlines in Wales for this very thing!!!
They sent out letters to folk who (i understand it) had recently been very poorly and had received hospital treatment. They sent one to an older gent who had received cancer treatment (and was currently in the clear). It caused the gent a lot of upset and his son went to the local press about it
It was not a letter that had been ok’d by the local Hospital Authority or the NHS as a whole, just an idea the surgery had come up with .
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I agree this is inappropriate! OP's dad had a converation though... |
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By *oxy_minx OP Woman
over a year ago
Scotland - Aberdeen |
"Yes, our local Doctors surgery made the news headlines in Wales for this very thing!!!
They sent out letters to folk who (i understand it) had recently been very poorly and had received hospital treatment. They sent one to an older gent who had received cancer treatment (and was currently in the clear). It caused the gent a lot of upset and his son went to the local press about it
It was not a letter that had been ok’d by the local Hospital Authority or the NHS as a whole, just an idea the surgery had come up with .
I agree this is inappropriate! OP's dad had a converation though... "
Completely out of the blue and had no idea why they were contacting him, totally different than what you are trying to make out!
He may have had a conversation, but the reasons why were very unclear indeed! |
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By *urvySub87Woman
over a year ago
Near Wellingborough |
My mums friend has gotten over brain cancer recently but has been left with a large hole in her skull. When this all started her Dr rang het to ask how she was, inform her to quarantine for 12 weeks and also asked if she wanted to sign a dnr. She told them how drastic that sounded and they explained that everyone with a compromised immunity was being offered a dnr. Unless she gave a solid no as an answer she would be sent one.
Maybe because your father said he didn't want to be a vegetable they sent one out anyway but they really should have explained on the phone that they were taking yes or no answers and treating maybes as a yes like they explained to my mums friend |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"I had a rather confusing and disturbing conversation with my dad yesterday.
Both him and his wife are currently isolating at their caravan (before the lockdown) and within a 2 hour drive back to see their own GP if necessary.
Now my dad has already gone through treatment for prostate cancer which included both chemo and radiotherapy which end at the end of January.
Thankful to say his last PSA count was something like 0.2 which was great to hear.
Now 2 weeks ago, he received a phone from his surgery completely out of the blue and they were asking him some questions which involved, if something were to happen to him, would he or wouldn't he like to be resuscitated, to which he said, well if I was going to be left in a vegetable state will no hope, no he wouldn't, but he also said he was fit and healthy and had many more miles in him yet.
Then 7 days ago, he received a 'Do Not Resuscitate' letter from his GP asking him to sign and return it asap.
To which fact he scored out various lines, and added 'Rescinded' in large letters and returned it.
A few days later the Dr called him to ask what were is intentions as they thought there must be some sort of misunderstanding as they had the previous phone call, He said there was no misunderstanding, he made it quite clear that he had many more miles in him yet, unless they knew something that he didn't? And to make sure that that letter was filed and properly documented in his file, but it was on the tip of his tongue to ask if this was their way of culling the over 70?
Has anyone heard of this happening in their area perchance? As I think this is a shocking way to act in current times, and how would you feel receiving a DNR notice through the post? "
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By *innMan
over a year ago
edinburgh |
I think a lot of people are not seeing what is actually going on - the wider picture.
There is no treatment for Covid. In the hospitals they can help you fight it - but there is no drugs or medicine for this.
Regardless of paperwork - if you are old, overweight, smoke, drink to much, or have serious complications - the system will not intervene to save you- you are not getting a ventilator even if it’s free.
Ventilators will only be available to those that are deemed appropriate - young enough, parents of young families, key workers, people who can contribute to society.
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over a year ago
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"Makes you think what’s sort of strategy is at play here.
Must ring my Dad and ask if he has had the same. "
No-one should have as it is clearly NOT policy. There have been a number of 90+ year oods hospitalised, ICU and full ventilators who have come through COVID and been released as cured.
Certainly not government or NHS policy.
Need to put in an official complaint. |
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By *eah BabyCouple
over a year ago
Cheshire, Windermere ,Cumbria |
Sounds quite shocking to me for this to happen.
The whole DNR as been concerning me for a few weeks, I worry about the people in care homes who have DNR on their records or even above their bed, if they contract Covid and become ill with it are they hospitalised to try for recovery or are they just left in the care home for the illness to take them? Also what goes on the death certificate Covid or the reason they were in the care home like Vascular Dementia for example?
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By *oxy_minx OP Woman
over a year ago
Scotland - Aberdeen |
"My mums friend has gotten over brain cancer recently but has been left with a large hole in her skull. When this all started her Dr rang het to ask how she was, inform her to quarantine for 12 weeks and also asked if she wanted to sign a dnr. She told them how drastic that sounded and they explained that everyone with a compromised immunity was being offered a dnr. Unless she gave a solid no as an answer she would be sent one.
Maybe because your father said he didn't want to be a vegetable they sent one out anyway but they really should have explained on the phone that they were taking yes or no answers and treating maybes as a yes like they explained to my mums friend"
Personally I find it all to be a bit ambiguous to say the least! People are hiding their true intentions by not being upfront in the first place.
My dad is ex military and has all his faculties in place, he will certainly not let this go, but I have heard of it happening in other places also! |
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"Sounds quite shocking to me for this to happen.
The whole DNR as been concerning me for a few weeks, I worry about the people in care homes who have DNR on their records or even above their bed, if they contract Covid and become ill with it are they hospitalised to try for recovery or are they just left in the care home for the illness to take them? Also what goes on the death certificate Covid or the reason they were in the care home like Vascular Dementia for example?
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Vascular Dementia is a horrible horrible condition.
When my mam got diagnosed with this 4 year ago she made the 7 of us 4 sons and 3 daughters sign a DNR with her it broke our hearts but it is what she wanted.
4 years later thankfully before it too her memory of us completely.
It took her via a cardiac arrest in her own home we took it in turns looking after her so she didn't have to go in a care home.
Thankfully my sister who was with her at the time was so strong when it happened to let her go and refuse the resuscitation.
That was early march and it's still so raw now.
Sorry for sharing that but it still hurts so much.
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"I had a rather confusing and disturbing conversation with my dad yesterday.
Both him and his wife are currently isolating at their caravan (before the lockdown) and within a 2 hour drive back to see their own GP if necessary.
Now my dad has already gone through treatment for prostate cancer which included both chemo and radiotherapy which end at the end of January.
Thankful to say his last PSA count was something like 0.2 which was great to hear.
Now 2 weeks ago, he received a phone from his surgery completely out of the blue and they were asking him some questions which involved, if something were to happen to him, would he or wouldn't he like to be resuscitated, to which he said, well if I was going to be left in a vegetable state will no hope, no he wouldn't, but he also said he was fit and healthy and had many more miles in him yet.
Then 7 days ago, he received a 'Do Not Resuscitate' letter from his GP asking him to sign and return it asap.
To which fact he scored out various lines, and added 'Rescinded' in large letters and returned it.
A few days later the Dr called him to ask what were is intentions as they thought there must be some sort of misunderstanding as they had the previous phone call, He said there was no misunderstanding, he made it quite clear that he had many more miles in him yet, unless they knew something that he didn't? And to make sure that that letter was filed and properly documented in his file, but it was on the tip of his tongue to ask if this was their way of culling the over 70?
Has anyone heard of this happening in their area perchance? As I think this is a shocking way to act in current times, and how would you feel receiving a DNR notice through the post? "
Just want to say how sorry I am you've also had to go through this, it's a horrible horrible thing to read and then eventually go through. My dad also had this letter and then the phone call, my dad was asked and asked about what his wishes were, he repeated himself on no less than 9 times he wants to live and would want to be resuscitated in any event, they then continued to pressure him by explaining how his ribs could be crushed and he repeated I want to live they then went onto say how he could be left with brain complications if he was without oxygen he repeated I want to live they continued and tried repeatedly to pressure him and he kept repeating it I WANT TO LIVE in the end I took the call and asked why he was sent such a letter and why is he being pressured and why and how come he hadn't received any information about being a shielded individual but they were quick enough to give him a death sentence. Wales had the same issue and for the comment about ventilators we have enough for anyone that requires them, this is government guided information to doctors. Again to the OP I'm sorry you've had to endure this and if you're still worried ring them up and ask what your dad's wishes were just in case they didn't file it correctly..X |
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By *oxy_minx OP Woman
over a year ago
Scotland - Aberdeen |
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Has anyone heard of this happening in their area perchance? As I think this is a shocking way to act in current times, and how would you feel receiving a DNR notice through the post?
Just want to say how sorry I am you've also had to go through this, it's a horrible horrible thing to read and then eventually go through. My dad also had this letter and then the phone call, my dad was asked and asked about what his wishes were, he repeated himself on no less than 9 times he wants to live and would want to be resuscitated in any event, they then continued to pressure him by explaining how his ribs could be crushed and he repeated I want to live they then went onto say how he could be left with brain complications if he was without oxygen he repeated I want to live they continued and tried repeatedly to pressure him and he kept repeating it I WANT TO LIVE in the end I took the call and asked why he was sent such a letter and why is he being pressured and why and how come he hadn't received any information about being a shielded individual but they were quick enough to give him a death sentence. Wales had the same issue and for the comment about ventilators we have enough for anyone that requires them, this is government guided information to doctors. Again to the OP I'm sorry you've had to endure this and if you're still worried ring them up and ask what your dad's wishes were just in case they didn't file it correctly..X"
Thanks for your comments and that sounds like a complete horrendous situation to put your dad through! Thank god you were there to intercept!
I do think different practices are intercepting or interpreting different guidelines to make these calls and the key word to me is 'Cancer' then they make their own decisions, it is a shocking situation happening up and down the country unfortunately |
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Has anyone heard of this happening in their area perchance? As I think this is a shocking way to act in current times, and how would you feel receiving a DNR notice through the post?
Just want to say how sorry I am you've also had to go through this, it's a horrible horrible thing to read and then eventually go through. My dad also had this letter and then the phone call, my dad was asked and asked about what his wishes were, he repeated himself on no less than 9 times he wants to live and would want to be resuscitated in any event, they then continued to pressure him by explaining how his ribs could be crushed and he repeated I want to live they then went onto say how he could be left with brain complications if he was without oxygen he repeated I want to live they continued and tried repeatedly to pressure him and he kept repeating it I WANT TO LIVE in the end I took the call and asked why he was sent such a letter and why is he being pressured and why and how come he hadn't received any information about being a shielded individual but they were quick enough to give him a death sentence. Wales had the same issue and for the comment about ventilators we have enough for anyone that requires them, this is government guided information to doctors. Again to the OP I'm sorry you've had to endure this and if you're still worried ring them up and ask what your dad's wishes were just in case they didn't file it correctly..X
Thanks for your comments and that sounds like a complete horrendous situation to put your dad through! Thank god you were there to intercept!
I do think different practices are intercepting or interpreting different guidelines to make these calls and the key word to me is 'Cancer' then they make their own decisions, it is a shocking situation happening up and down the country unfortunately "
This is why you have to stand up and be counted and have your voice heard, it wasn't your dad's fault he got cancer but it was his choice to fight it and win and it's his choice now. |
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By *oxy_minx OP Woman
over a year ago
Scotland - Aberdeen |
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Has anyone heard of this happening in their area perchance? As I think this is a shocking way to act in current times, and how would you feel receiving a DNR notice through the post?
Just want to say how sorry I am you've also had to go through this, it's a horrible horrible thing to read and then eventually go through. My dad also had this letter and then the phone call, my dad was asked and asked about what his wishes were, he repeated himself on no less than 9 times he wants to live and would want to be resuscitated in any event, they then continued to pressure him by explaining how his ribs could be crushed and he repeated I want to live they then went onto say how he could be left with brain complications if he was without oxygen he repeated I want to live they continued and tried repeatedly to pressure him and he kept repeating it I WANT TO LIVE in the end I took the call and asked why he was sent such a letter and why is he being pressured and why and how come he hadn't received any information about being a shielded individual but they were quick enough to give him a death sentence. Wales had the same issue and for the comment about ventilators we have enough for anyone that requires them, this is government guided information to doctors. Again to the OP I'm sorry you've had to endure this and if you're still worried ring them up and ask what your dad's wishes were just in case they didn't file it correctly..X
Thanks for your comments and that sounds like a complete horrendous situation to put your dad through! Thank god you were there to intercept!
I do think different practices are intercepting or interpreting different guidelines to make these calls and the key word to me is 'Cancer' then they make their own decisions, it is a shocking situation happening up and down the country unfortunately
This is why you have to stand up and be counted and have your voice heard, it wasn't your dad's fault he got cancer but it was his choice to fight it and win and it's his choice now. "
Trust me, I am my fathers daughter, he will be asking the right questions and demanding answers, he just won't be doing it over the phone, he is a face to face guy, and my hot headedness needs to be kept in check at times but I do try and learn from him  |
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Sorry to say this op. It is awful to say it but I feel you all need some information about the current situation. The DNR was decision of patient and family until now. This has now changed given this situation and at this moment in time any patient coming through A&E department who is previously fit and healthy over 65 or has comorbidities and is 60 or over is considered for a DNR. This means that they will be admitted to hospital and treated but will never be sent to intensive care unit or will be intubated and ventilated. Will not perform cpr either (which on covid patients isn't done anyway). Hope to have made this a bit more clear and please look after yourselves. |
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Isn't there an investigation about these things and the inappropriate ways that some have been implemented, above and beyond what is accepted practice? I think there had been some inappropriate changes pushed in some places, so ops dads contact may have been due to this, beyond what would sometimes happen. |
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By *eah BabyCouple
over a year ago
Cheshire, Windermere ,Cumbria |
"Sounds quite shocking to me for this to happen.
The whole DNR as been concerning me for a few weeks, I worry about the people in care homes who have DNR on their records or even above their bed, if they contract Covid and become ill with it are they hospitalised to try for recovery or are they just left in the care home for the illness to take them? Also what goes on the death certificate Covid or the reason they were in the care home like Vascular Dementia for example?
Vascular Dementia is a horrible horrible condition.
When my mam got diagnosed with this 4 year ago she made the 7 of us 4 sons and 3 daughters sign a DNR with her it broke our hearts but it is what she wanted.
4 years later thankfully before it too her memory of us completely.
It took her via a cardiac arrest in her own home we took it in turns looking after her so she didn't have to go in a care home.
Thankfully my sister who was with her at the time was so strong when it happened to let her go and refuse the resuscitation.
That was early march and it's still so raw now.
Sorry for sharing that but it still hurts so much.
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It certainly is and I truly feel your pain. I lost my father to it at the age of 57 and although it was my stepmothers choice to have DNR for him as she had POA but for how the illness made him I completely understood but as I was the one with him the day he passed away when he went my immediate reaction was for them to resuscitate him knowing he had a good day the day before, so to have DNR on someone who does have a good quality of life makes it hard to understand why they would ask the question.
I would like to know the outcome from your fathers GP over the matter OP.
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"I think a lot of people are not seeing what is actually going on - the wider picture.
There is no treatment for Covid. In the hospitals they can help you fight it - but there is no drugs or medicine for this.
Regardless of paperwork - if you are old, overweight, smoke, drink to much, or have serious complications - the system will not intervene to save you- you are not getting a ventilator even if it’s free.
Ventilators will only be available to those that are deemed appropriate - young enough, parents of young families, key workers, people who can contribute to society.
Welcome to the new order "
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By *oxy_minx OP Woman
over a year ago
Scotland - Aberdeen |
"Sounds quite shocking to me for this to happen.
The whole DNR as been concerning me for a few weeks, I worry about the people in care homes who have DNR on their records or even above their bed, if they contract Covid and become ill with it are they hospitalised to try for recovery or are they just left in the care home for the illness to take them? Also what goes on the death certificate Covid or the reason they were in the care home like Vascular Dementia for example?
Vascular Dementia is a horrible horrible condition.
When my mam got diagnosed with this 4 year ago she made the 7 of us 4 sons and 3 daughters sign a DNR with her it broke our hearts but it is what she wanted.
4 years later thankfully before it too her memory of us completely.
It took her via a cardiac arrest in her own home we took it in turns looking after her so she didn't have to go in a care home.
Thankfully my sister who was with her at the time was so strong when it happened to let her go and refuse the resuscitation.
That was early march and it's still so raw now.
Sorry for sharing that but it still hurts so much.
It certainly is and I truly feel your pain. I lost my father to it at the age of 57 and although it was my stepmothers choice to have DNR for him as she had POA but for how the illness made him I completely understood but as I was the one with him the day he passed away when he went my immediate reaction was for them to resuscitate him knowing he had a good day the day before, so to have DNR on someone who does have a good quality of life makes it hard to understand why they would ask the question.
I would like to know the outcome from your fathers GP over the matter OP.
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Of course I will let you know! Not only that, tonight I have since found out that he has also received another letter just the other day, that the original letter sent telling him that he was in the 'shielded' group, was crap as well!
So he is NOT in the 'shielded' category, never was, and should never have received any letters in the first place!
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By *oxy_minx OP Woman
over a year ago
Scotland - Aberdeen |
What I personally don't understand, is people taking bloody pot shots at the government no matter who is seated and talking hypotheticals if it was the other, yet you really couldn't give a shit about what is happening in real life to real people, especially when it turns out that all the correspondence received so far has been full of bullshit! And should NEVER have been sent! Really? Is that your real stance?
God forbid it happens to one of you or yours and no one gives a shit! |
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By *eah BabyCouple
over a year ago
Cheshire, Windermere ,Cumbria |
"Sounds quite shocking to me for this to happen.
The whole DNR as been concerning me for a few weeks, I worry about the people in care homes who have DNR on their records or even above their bed, if they contract Covid and become ill with it are they hospitalised to try for recovery or are they just left in the care home for the illness to take them? Also what goes on the death certificate Covid or the reason they were in the care home like Vascular Dementia for example?
Vascular Dementia is a horrible horrible condition.
When my mam got diagnosed with this 4 year ago she made the 7 of us 4 sons and 3 daughters sign a DNR with her it broke our hearts but it is what she wanted.
4 years later thankfully before it too her memory of us completely.
It took her via a cardiac arrest in her own home we took it in turns looking after her so she didn't have to go in a care home.
Thankfully my sister who was with her at the time was so strong when it happened to let her go and refuse the resuscitation.
That was early march and it's still so raw now.
Sorry for sharing that but it still hurts so much.
It certainly is and I truly feel your pain. I lost my father to it at the age of 57 and although it was my stepmothers choice to have DNR for him as she had POA but for how the illness made him I completely understood but as I was the one with him the day he passed away when he went my immediate reaction was for them to resuscitate him knowing he had a good day the day before, so to have DNR on someone who does have a good quality of life makes it hard to understand why they would ask the question.
I would like to know the outcome from your fathers GP over the matter OP.
Of course I will let you know! Not only that, tonight I have since found out that he has also received another letter just the other day, that the original letter sent telling him that he was in the 'shielded' group, was crap as well!
So he is NOT in the 'shielded' category, never was, and should never have received any letters in the first place!
The whole saga has been diabolical and heads should roll in my opinion! "
I did a quick google and it appears it’s been in the press about certain GP practices sending letters out, even a write up on AGE UK, have you had a look? |
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By *hilMan
over a year ago
HOUGHTON LE SPRING |
Could be government has taken this opportunity and decided to have a cull particulary of the elderly who they regard as a burden on social security, NHS so as to reduce further costs |
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By *oxy_minx OP Woman
over a year ago
Scotland - Aberdeen |
"Sounds quite shocking to me for this to happen.
The whole DNR as been concerning me for a few weeks, I worry about the people in care homes who have DNR on their records or even above their bed, if they contract Covid and become ill with it are they hospitalised to try for recovery or are they just left in the care home for the illness to take them? Also what goes on the death certificate Covid or the reason they were in the care home like Vascular Dementia for example?
Vascular Dementia is a horrible horrible condition.
When my mam got diagnosed with this 4 year ago she made the 7 of us 4 sons and 3 daughters sign a DNR with her it broke our hearts but it is what she wanted.
4 years later thankfully before it too her memory of us completely.
It took her via a cardiac arrest in her own home we took it in turns looking after her so she didn't have to go in a care home.
Thankfully my sister who was with her at the time was so strong when it happened to let her go and refuse the resuscitation.
That was early march and it's still so raw now.
Sorry for sharing that but it still hurts so much.
It certainly is and I truly feel your pain. I lost my father to it at the age of 57 and although it was my stepmothers choice to have DNR for him as she had POA but for how the illness made him I completely understood but as I was the one with him the day he passed away when he went my immediate reaction was for them to resuscitate him knowing he had a good day the day before, so to have DNR on someone who does have a good quality of life makes it hard to understand why they would ask the question.
I would like to know the outcome from your fathers GP over the matter OP.
Of course I will let you know! Not only that, tonight I have since found out that he has also received another letter just the other day, that the original letter sent telling him that he was in the 'shielded' group, was crap as well!
So he is NOT in the 'shielded' category, never was, and should never have received any letters in the first place!
The whole saga has been diabolical and heads should roll in my opinion!
I did a quick google and it appears it’s been in the press about certain GP practices sending letters out, even a write up on AGE UK, have you had a look?"
Yes, I've heard about it, for the person below you, this is nothing to do with the government, this is separate letters from the local GP surgery suggesting a DNR to my dad out of their own violation then 2 letters from hospital, and the oncology unit, one saying he was in the 'shielded' pot and should isolate for 12 weeks, then another to say they were wrong, he was NOT in the 'shielded' selection!
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By *oxy_minx OP Woman
over a year ago
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"A DNR can be rescinded at any time! Why not just rescind it! Even if an Ambulance turns up they will carry out CPR until they physically see it!"
I said in my original post that he sent it back 'rescinded' |
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I work in a care home and no if a patient needs hospitalization they will get it and wont just be left for the illness to take them however if they are in hospital and they stop breathing and they have a dnr in place it will be adhered to as it is a legally binding document we would never just leave patienys to die and i am very hurt that someone would say that carers work very long hours under extreme pressures for very little pay its comments like this that give care homes a bad reputation im not saying we are perfect but we go out of are way to try our best for our patients |
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