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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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Is this happening, I don’t mean by the government, more by how the lockdown is affecting us. For example on the radio today some teachers union person said it’s impossible to teach given the pandemic, life is being squeezed out of us. |
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I definitely get the feeling there is a level of this you just have to watch the forums here or anywhere else on the internet .. there seems to be overwhelming belief that death is the most likely outcome by a good number of people. The numbers - even the “case numbers” suggest nothing like this. The message in the media before lockdown was strong with “the majority of people will get through an infection without feeling too ill or requiring hospital” that message has disappeared and the message is all about death... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Well...this is just the impact and realisation of the effects of a pandemic..
Focusing on your example... teaching...what we had before...30 young kids in a small classroom..a teacher and maybe a TA..for 6hrs a day 5 days week..interacting with an average of 1800 to 360+kids in an average primary school..with 25 to 50 staff...don't even do the maths for an average secondary school..with 240 kids in a year...
The levels of interaction with small spaces go nuts..
So yeah. Teaching is gonna have to change...the school's each have a duty of care to the staff and pupils...so even if the kids could carry it..but not be I'll...the risk to adult staff is mad. |
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"I definitely get the feeling there is a level of this you just have to watch the forums here or anywhere else on the internet .. there seems to be overwhelming belief that death is the most likely outcome by a good number of people. The numbers - even the “case numbers” suggest nothing like this. The message in the media before lockdown was strong with “the majority of people will get through an infection without feeling too ill or requiring hospital” that message has disappeared and the message is all about death..."
So your more then happy to go off and about like before..and don't give a shit about who you Domino's fall down from later down the line..? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I definitely get the feeling there is a level of this you just have to watch the forums here or anywhere else on the internet .. there seems to be overwhelming belief that death is the most likely outcome by a good number of people. The numbers - even the “case numbers” suggest nothing like this. The message in the media before lockdown was strong with “the majority of people will get through an infection without feeling too ill or requiring hospital” that message has disappeared and the message is all about death..."
I tend to agree with you here.
A lot of people are painting a blacker picture than it really is. |
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Teaching is possible but difficult. Asking children under 8 to socially distance is pretty much impossible though. Over that age a one way system would need to be set up in school buildings, class sizes at least halved and breaks and lunch times staggered. Vulnerable (medically speaking) children and those with vulnerable family members would still need to stay at home and there would be no sharing and of equipment |
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By *atEvolutionCouple
over a year ago
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Moaning about everything is actually just another way of people trying to control people too while under the guile of saying that others are trying to control them.
Smile at the naysayers, the conspiracists, the purveyors of doom, it really annoys them.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Moaning about everything is actually just another way of people trying to control people too while under the guile of saying that others are trying to control them.
Smile at the naysayers, the conspiracists, the purveyors of doom, it really annoys them.
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"I definitely get the feeling there is a level of this you just have to watch the forums here or anywhere else on the internet .. there seems to be overwhelming belief that death is the most likely outcome by a good number of people. The numbers - even the “case numbers” suggest nothing like this. The message in the media before lockdown was strong with “the majority of people will get through an infection without feeling too ill or requiring hospital” that message has disappeared and the message is all about death...
So your more then happy to go off and about like before..and don't give a shit about who you Domino's fall down from later down the line..?"
Well that’s got nothing to do with the subject or my point ... I’m nearly pointing out how the media is creating a big cloud of fear ... and here we see it working. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Unions are paid to whinge - I think most people would like to go back to work (or they will when furlough ends)."
*Unions are paid to defend their members from shitty bosses.
Fixed that for you bud |
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"I definitely get the feeling there is a level of this you just have to watch the forums here or anywhere else on the internet .. there seems to be overwhelming belief that death is the most likely outcome by a good number of people. The numbers - even the “case numbers” suggest nothing like this. The message in the media before lockdown was strong with “the majority of people will get through an infection without feeling too ill or requiring hospital” that message
has disappeared and the message is all about
death..."
Well, in the United States, 60,000 people died in 30 days from confirmed covid 19 , and they believe many more not confirmed died at home. That's a pretty strong message of death I would think.
For your own safety and your loved ones safety, please don't take this virus likely people. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Unions are paid to whinge - I think most people would like to go back to work (or they will when furlough ends).
*Unions are paid to defend their members from shitty bosses.
Fixed that for you bud"
I disagree but that’s ok ???? |
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The governments were using emotions to influence their citizens before Hitler mastered it. Fear is a great emotion, as it leads to anger and others, which helps to unite citizens and governments against an opposition force. Disable your people and then tell them the solution, which is lapped up - especially if the problem is complex, people are hungry for an easy simplistic solution. Even if it's magical thinking |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Me for one who has had the virus.
I am terrified of what the future holds financially.
Far more than the virus.
More and more news reports about company's not coming through the other side of this. |
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"I definitely get the feeling there is a level of this you just have to watch the forums here or anywhere else on the internet .. there seems to be overwhelming belief that death is the most likely outcome by a good number of people. The numbers - even the “case numbers” suggest nothing like this. The message in the media before lockdown was strong with “the majority of people will get through an infection without feeling too ill or requiring hospital” that message
has disappeared and the message is all about
death...
Well, in the United States, 60,000 people died in 30 days from confirmed covid 19 , and they believe many more not confirmed died at home. That's a pretty strong message of death I would think.
For your own safety and your loved ones safety, please don't take this virus likely people."
That of cause translates to 0.02% of the population in the us ... where were at the twice of bad 0.04% of the population ... there was only 18 deaths on the Isle of Wight .... more population = higher death rate .. higher number of deaths alone has not statistical significance other than to be used in the fear machine. |
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"Unions are paid to whinge - I think most people would like to go back to work (or they will when furlough ends)."
No, they are there amongst other things to look after their members..
I don't understand why anyone would think it's acceptable to work in a unsafe environment, and yes this is new and there will be some adaptability needed but as equally as we are all being asked to be socially responsible with safe distancing etc its only right that the people responsible for others safety also step up.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It is being used to control us and to turn against each other reporting on each other for perceived infringement of lockdown rules etc. You do worry how long it will take to get back to normal "
Do not think that there has always been a level of control...of course there has...do we think that's there's a big conspiracy across the world using Covid19 to reduce population.or economic growth and development..hang on I think I have a misdelivered parcel for you...oh it's from TinFoilHats.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Unions are paid to whinge - I think most people would like to go back to work (or they will when furlough ends).
*Unions are paid to defend their members from shitty bosses.
Fixed that for you bud
I disagree but that’s ok ???? "
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Unions are there to make sure that employers follow and enact what they have to..to comply with things like...COSHH..Health and Safety at work act etc..
And guess what social distancing is within all of that.. |
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"It is being used to control us and to turn against each other reporting on each other for perceived infringement of lockdown rules etc. You do worry how long it will take to get back to normal "
No one has to turn into a snoop, the like of which regimes like the stasi loved but at such times the good and not so good comes to the fore..
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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago
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I think there are certainly some people who are being seriously affected by this virus mentally. I know of three people who will not leave their houses even for exercises they are terrified that everybody is a carrier of the virus and that they will catch it.
Only one of these three is actually in a high risk group. The other two are mid thirties and live on their own, people can see that it is hurting their mental wellbeing but no amount of encouragement can get them to go for simple walks. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Unions are paid to whinge - I think most people would like to go back to work (or they will when furlough ends).
*Unions are paid to defend their members from shitty bosses.
Fixed that for you bud
I disagree but that’s ok ???? ..
Unions are there to make sure that employers follow and enact what they have to..to comply with things like...COSHH..Health and Safety at work act etc..
And guess what social distancing is within all of that.."
I understand what a union is supposed to do, butI’ve never known them do anything than take money and obstruct things, which usually lead to job losses. But there we are, we all have opinions.
With teaching I get it, don’t see how they could go back to work safely currently.
Apologies, I didn’t mean to make this about unions! |
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By *eeleyWoman
over a year ago
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"Moaning about everything is actually just another way of people trying to control people too while under the guile of saying that others are trying to control them.
Smile at the naysayers, the conspiracists, the purveyors of doom, it really annoys them.
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I need to follow this advice lol. |
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"I think there are certainly some people who are being seriously affected by this virus mentally. I know of three people who will not leave their houses even for exercises they are terrified that everybody is a carrier of the virus and that they will catch it.
Only one of these three is actually in a high risk group. The other two are mid thirties and live on their own, people can see that it is hurting their mental wellbeing but no amount of encouragement can get them to go for simple walks."
We have a couple of younger members of the wider family who are anxious, it's inevitable really that some of all ages will be so..
Once we get back into the new normal I can see it being akin to the terrorist threats we have had and still do, be aware and vigant etc but not to live in fear.. |
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No one can convince me with maths that I should just go about my daily business.
Unless you can convince me that I am NOT going to die then I don't want to chance it.
How about this for a scenario ..........
Let's suppose that the message given to the population was ..... It's just like flu. Most of you get a mild version and feel shit for a few days. People die of flu anyway every year.
Then some months later 50,000 or more are dead.......
Will you say ......Well at least they didn't scare us by showing us the nasty stuff.....
I doubt it.
Yes it's scary. Yes I hate this situation. I want a vaccine or an antidote test...... and I don't care what is on t.v. .......... That's all I want.
Put a film on ffs..... we don't know the half of it yet. |
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We have a family member who suffers with chronic anxiety she actually seems a lot more settled during this because her husband is working from home and the Kids are home from school both things that she struggles to cope with in normal life |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"ooops.... I just scare mongered... Fuck it!"
You didn't..that's a pragmatic view..some will get it and live..some won't...the media have their own viewpoints and aims..they want sales..clicks..etc for revenue..just look at the rubbish put out by the Daily Fail..look at the drive of Trump to get it going again... nothing at all to do with his impending election...
There are various impacts of this..social.economic.and life and death.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Our natural fears are being used to control us, they always have been.
The fear of nothingness after we depart from this world being a biggie. "
How can you fear nothingness...if there is nothing to fear then there is nothing to fear....better than sitting on a cloud listening to harps for all eternity...or worse still bagpipes! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Our natural fears are being used to control us, they always have been.
The fear of nothingness after we depart from this world being a biggie.
How can you fear nothingness...if there is nothing to fear then there is nothing to fear....better than sitting on a cloud listening to harps for all eternity...or worse still bagpipes!"
I think he means the mental health issues. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Our natural fears are being used to control us, they always have been.
The fear of nothingness after we depart from this world being a biggie. "
Watch Rick and Morty..and the Good Place..
Along with BoJack horseman..
And use those as a basis for understanding..Life is beautiful and totally meaningless... nobody is meant to be anywhere, nobody exists on purpose, everyone dies..now come watch porn..(to paraphrase Morty) |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Is this happening, I don’t mean by the government, more by how the lockdown is affecting us. For example on the radio today some teachers union person said it’s impossible to teach given the pandemic, life is being squeezed out of us."
This is the unions trying to use muscle to destroy the country,reachers train drivers etc,thy want to wreck things they love the virus
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Our natural fears are being used to control us, they always have been.
The fear of nothingness after we depart from this world being a biggie.
Watch Rick and Morty..and the Good Place..
Along with BoJack horseman..
And use those as a basis for understanding..Life is beautiful and totally meaningless... nobody is meant to be anywhere, nobody exists on purpose, everyone dies..now come watch porn..(to paraphrase Morty)"
That makes me feel a bit sad |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Yes the government and media contol us .
Weather forecast all week it's going to turn cold from Friday, and the bank holiday weekend we be a washout. Keep saying up to Thursday night, now sorry we got it wrong it's staying hot till Monday. Keep people in and stop them heading for the coast, good plan but still lies and control. Or am I seeing conspiracy everywhere. |
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The majority of the media print what the government feed to them. Everyone got excited by the headlines but it's now in the public domain for a few days before the actual announcement tomorrow. They get several days of reaction before actually making a decision. |
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
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"I definitely get the feeling there is a level of this you just have to watch the forums here or anywhere else on the internet .. there seems to be overwhelming belief that death is the most likely outcome by a good number of people. The numbers - even the “case numbers” suggest nothing like this. The message in the media before lockdown was strong with “the majority of people will get through an infection without feeling too ill or requiring hospital” that message has disappeared and the message is all about death...
I tend to agree with you here.
A lot of people are painting a blacker picture than it really is."
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By *sGivesWoodWoman
over a year ago
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"I think there are certainly some people who are being seriously affected by this virus mentally. I know of three people who will not leave their houses even for exercises they are terrified that everybody is a carrier of the virus and that they will catch it.
Only one of these three is actually in a high risk group. The other two are mid thirties and live on their own, people can see that it is hurting their mental wellbeing but no amount of encouragement can get them to go for simple walks."
Media scare tactics and hype is working well then. |
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"No one can convince me with maths that I should just go about my daily business.
Unless you can convince me that I am NOT going to die then I don't want to chance it.
How about this for a scenario ..........
Let's suppose that the message given to the population was ..... It's just like flu. Most of you get a mild version and feel shit for a few days. People die of flu anyway every year.
Then some months later 50,000 or more are dead.......
Will you say ......Well at least they didn't scare us by showing us the nasty stuff.....
I doubt it.
Yes it's scary. Yes I hate this situation. I want a vaccine or an antidote test...... and I don't care what is on t.v. .......... That's all I want.
Put a film on ffs..... we don't know the half of it yet. "
And funnily enough, the message being given out in February/March was "it's only a version of flu etc". And now it's no more than a couple of months later and the official death toll is over 30,000, and still going at a few hundred a day.
Personally i wish they had shown us some of the nasty stuff. I wish they had put patients on tv actually dying. I wish they had been honest up front about how bad the situation is. How many people will be at risk for a long time. About that many companies will never recover. That it will be a long time before 300 people sit inside a metal tube in the air for hours travelling to the other side of the world for a jolly holiday.
Because if we had been given a honest picture, we could all have started replanning our lives, started figuring out the alternative ways of doing things. It doesn't have to be a bleak future, in fact I'm sure that if enough people start to look forward and demand change, in some ways there could be improvements on what we had. I don't think we can just open up again and carry on as before - not without making all the sacrifice so far worthless. But i hope that we can open up and continue in new ways, better ways. Hope and compassion are the way. |
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"Our natural fears are being used to control us, they always have been.
The fear of nothingness after we depart from this world being a biggie.
How can you fear nothingness...if there is nothing to fear then there is nothing to fear....better than sitting on a cloud listening to harps for all eternity...or worse still bagpipes!"
Ask all the folks who get in a flap about it. Maybe it's because they can't take their money with them? |
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"Our natural fears are being used to control us, they always have been.
The fear of nothingness after we depart from this world being a biggie.
How can you fear nothingness...if there is nothing to fear then there is nothing to fear....better than sitting on a cloud listening to harps for all eternity...or worse still bagpipes!
I think he means the mental health issues. "
I mean dying; Gone, decised, snuffed it. All the phrases John Cleese uses to describe the Norwegian Blue with the beautiful plumage. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Our natural fears are being used to control us, they always have been.
The fear of nothingness after we depart from this world being a biggie.
How can you fear nothingness...if there is nothing to fear then there is nothing to fear....better than sitting on a cloud listening to harps for all eternity...or worse still bagpipes!
I think he means the mental health issues.
I mean dying; Gone, decised, snuffed it. All the phrases John Cleese uses to describe the Norwegian Blue with the beautiful plumage."
Oh
Well that guy is right then, how can you fear nothingness if you are already departed? |
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"Our natural fears are being used to control us, they always have been.
The fear of nothingness after we depart from this world being a biggie.
How can you fear nothingness...if there is nothing to fear then there is nothing to fear....better than sitting on a cloud listening to harps for all eternity...or worse still bagpipes!
I think he means the mental health issues.
I mean dying; Gone, decised, snuffed it. All the phrases John Cleese uses to describe the Norwegian Blue with the beautiful plumage.
Oh
Well that guy is right then, how can you fear nothingness if you are already departed?"
Before one departs and not knowing what's next. I'm talking down the years. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Our natural fears are being used to control us, they always have been.
The fear of nothingness after we depart from this world being a biggie.
How can you fear nothingness...if there is nothing to fear then there is nothing to fear....better than sitting on a cloud listening to harps for all eternity...or worse still bagpipes!
I think he means the mental health issues.
I mean dying; Gone, decised, snuffed it. All the phrases John Cleese uses to describe the Norwegian Blue with the beautiful plumage.
Oh
Well that guy is right then, how can you fear nothingness if you are already departed?"
I think being scared of death is a common fear, although i might have described it as the unknown rather than nothingness but i guess everyone can interpret fears in their own way
I think lots fear their life ending without having achieved everything they wanted to aswel, or fear for their loved ones after they are gone... lots of reasons why people can fear death
Yes you might be gone an not know to care, but nobody said fear had to be rational |
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"I definitely get the feeling there is a level of this you just have to watch the forums here or anywhere else on the internet .. there seems to be overwhelming belief that death is the most likely outcome by a good number of people. The numbers - even the “case numbers” suggest nothing like this. The message in the media before lockdown was strong with “the majority of people will get through an infection without feeling too ill or requiring hospital” that message has disappeared and the message is all about death...
I tend to agree with you here.
A lot of people are painting a blacker picture than it really is."
Don't agree. Seeing too much death professionally to believe any of that crap that is being sprouted about it being an over reaction. When it hits you it will hit you. But hey it's all a big hoax if it makes you feel better. |
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"No one can convince me with maths that I should just go about my daily business.
Unless you can convince me that I am NOT going to die then I don't want to chance it.
How about this for a scenario ..........
Let's suppose that the message given to the population was ..... It's just like flu. Most of you get a mild version and feel shit for a few days. People die of flu anyway every year.
Then some months later 50,000 or more are dead.......
Will you say ......Well at least they didn't scare us by showing us the nasty stuff.....
I doubt it.
Yes it's scary. Yes I hate this situation. I want a vaccine or an antidote test...... and I don't care what is on t.v. .......... That's all I want.
Put a film on ffs..... we don't know the half of it yet. "
I take it you never get on a train or in a car or travel on a plane then, maybe you never cross a road or eat something new, I’d steer well clear of baths or stairs too ... oh and cookies ... because you can’t say you won’t die doing any of that either ... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I definitely get the feeling there is a level of this you just have to watch the forums here or anywhere else on the internet .. there seems to be overwhelming belief that death is the most likely outcome by a good number of people. The numbers - even the “case numbers” suggest nothing like this. The message in the media before lockdown was strong with “the majority of people will get through an infection without feeling too ill or requiring hospital” that message has disappeared and the message is all about death...
I tend to agree with you here.
A lot of people are painting a blacker picture than it really is.
Don't agree. Seeing too much death professionally to believe any of that crap that is being sprouted about it being an over reaction. When it hits you it will hit you. But hey it's all a big hoax if it makes you feel better."
I have had it.
I dont think its a hoax.
Just that I think fears are being played on. |
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Perhaps if the figures were put like this:
It took the Germans 6 years to kill 60,000 British civilian in WW II.
It has taken the virus 2 months to kill 30,000.
Very much chalk and cheese but worth thinking about |
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
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Majority of posters here are fucking morons
It is no surprise you have the bumbling fuck that is boris Johnson
10,000s of deaths in UK and listen to your shite
when it hits your home your selfish tune will change |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I definitely get the feeling there is a level of this you just have to watch the forums here or anywhere else on the internet .. there seems to be overwhelming belief that death is the most likely outcome by a good number of people. The numbers - even the “case numbers” suggest nothing like this. The message in the media before lockdown was strong with “the majority of people will get through an infection without feeling too ill or requiring hospital” that message has disappeared and the message is all about death...
I tend to agree with you here.
A lot of people are painting a blacker picture than it really is."
I think that view comes from being in a privileged position where you cant see how black it really is for some
I am in that privileged position, i live alone eith nobody to put at risk if i go out, i know very few people who got the virus, none of which were hospitalised, I’m not high risk, i dont see people dying round about me.... from my own personal experience I could very easily go down a train of thought that its not that bad, its been overhyped, even that its a hoax... but i know people working in hospitals who paint a very very different picture and i think that is why the story is focussed on the deaths ... to stop people forgetting the impact because its not directly in their circle |
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
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"Perhaps if the figures were put like this:
It took the Germans 6 years to kill 60,000 British civilian in WW II.
It has taken the virus 2 months to kill 30,000.
Very much chalk and cheese but worth thinking about"
Well said sir
Unfortunately it's that same generation that is suffering again
They deserve better that the selfishness that has been written here
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"Majority of posters here are fucking morons
It is no surprise you have the bumbling fuck that is Boris Johnson
10,000s of deaths in UK and listen to your shite
when it hits your home your selfish tune will change"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I definitely get the feeling there is a level of this you just have to watch the forums here or anywhere else on the internet .. there seems to be overwhelming belief that death is the most likely outcome by a good number of people. The numbers - even the “case numbers” suggest nothing like this. The message in the media before lockdown was strong with “the majority of people will get through an infection without feeling too ill or requiring hospital” that message has disappeared and the message is all about death...
I tend to agree with you here.
A lot of people are painting a blacker picture than it really is.
I think that view comes from being in a privileged position where you cant see how black it really is for some
I am in that privileged position, i live alone eith nobody to put at risk if i go out, i know very few people who got the virus, none of which were hospitalised, I’m not high risk, i dont see people dying round about me.... from my own personal experience I could very easily go down a train of thought that its not that bad, its been overhyped, even that its a hoax... but i know people working in hospitals who paint a very very different picture and i think that is why the story is focussed on the deaths ... to stop people forgetting the impact because its not directly in their circle"
Yes I can agree with that too.
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"I definitely get the feeling there is a level of this you just have to watch the forums here or anywhere else on the internet .. there seems to be overwhelming belief that death is the most likely outcome by a good number of people. The numbers - even the “case numbers” suggest nothing like this. The message in the media before lockdown was strong with “the majority of people will get through an infection without feeling too ill or requiring hospital” that message has disappeared and the message is all about death...
I tend to agree with you here.
A lot of people are painting a blacker picture than it really is.
Don't agree. Seeing too much death professionally to believe any of that crap that is being sprouted about it being an over reaction. When it hits you it will hit you. But hey it's all a big hoax if it makes you feel better.
I have had it.
I dont think its a hoax.
Just that I think fears are being played on."
You've had it. You've recovered and that's great, however alot don't. People are dying who shouldn't be. I hope that plays on everyone's fears and they stay home and stick to the government advice. The general public are fuckin idiots! Street parties and mass celebrations like it's one big jolly. I really don't think some people get how serious this is, even now. |
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"Perhaps if the figures were put like this:
It took the Germans 6 years to kill 60,000 British civilian in WW II.
It has taken the virus 2 months to kill 30,000.
Very much chalk and cheese but worth thinking about"
And it only to the allied group less than 4 months to kill 100,000+ Japanese people ... so numbers ... mean nothing when there’s no real comparison .. |
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"I definitely get the feeling there is a level of this you just have to watch the forums here or anywhere else on the internet .. there seems to be overwhelming belief that death is the most likely outcome by a good number of people. The numbers - even the “case numbers” suggest nothing like this. The message in the media before lockdown was strong with “the majority of people will get through an infection without feeling too ill or requiring hospital” that message has disappeared and the message is all about death...
So your more then happy to go off and about like before..and don't give a shit about who you Domino's fall down from later down the line..?
Well that’s got nothing to do with the subject or my point ... I’m nearly pointing out how the media is creating a big cloud of fear ... and here we see it working."
And as a younger man, you can afford to take a more cavalier approach with little risk to your own continued existence.
The issue is though, how our actions can impact upon others.
You have to ask yourself if some trivial increase in your own personal freedoms or convenience is worth your mother's life. Because, relatively low chance it might be, it could come down to that.
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And as a younger man, you can afford to take a more cavalier approach with little risk to your own continued existence.
The issue is though, how our actions can impact upon others.
You have to ask yourself if some trivial increase in your own personal freedoms or convenience is worth your mother's life. Because, relatively low chance it might be, it could come down to that.
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"I definitely get the feeling there is a level of this you just have to watch the forums here or anywhere else on the internet .. there seems to be overwhelming belief that death is the most likely outcome by a good number of people. The numbers - even the “case numbers” suggest nothing like this. The message in the media before lockdown was strong with “the majority of people will get through an infection without feeling too ill or requiring hospital” that message has disappeared and the message is all about death...
I tend to agree with you here.
A lot of people are painting a blacker picture than it really is.
Don't agree. Seeing too much death professionally to believe any of that crap that is being sprouted about it being an over reaction. When it hits you it will hit you. But hey it's all a big hoax if it makes you feel better.
I have had it.
I dont think its a hoax.
Just that I think fears are being played on.
You've had it. You've recovered and that's great, however alot don't. People are dying who shouldn't be. I hope that plays on everyone's fears and they stay home and stick to the government advice. The general public are fuckin idiots! Street parties and mass celebrations like it's one big jolly. I really don't think some people get how serious this is, even now. "
Again I agree the general public are idiots .
I stay in and follow the guidelines.
Itz been the longest 6 weeks of my life .
I can't wait to get back to work but I follow the guidelines.
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And as a younger man, you can afford to take a more cavalier approach with little risk to your own continued existence.
The issue is though, how our actions can impact upon others.
You have to ask yourself if some trivial increase in your own personal freedoms or convenience is worth your mother's life. Because, relatively low chance it might be, it could come down to that.
I mean I’d be more than happy to take the risk ... she is immune to this "
I might have missed something in earlier posts, but if its coronavirus you're talking about, too little is known to count on anybody having a functional level of immunity. Nobody. It's too soon to know for sure. |
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And as a younger man, you can afford to take a more cavalier approach with little risk to your own continued existence.
The issue is though, how our actions can impact upon others.
You have to ask yourself if some trivial increase in your own personal freedoms or convenience is worth your mother's life. Because, relatively low chance it might be, it could come down to that.
I mean I’d be more than happy to take the risk ... she is immune to this
I might have missed something in earlier posts, but if its coronavirus you're talking about, too little is known to count on anybody having a functional level of immunity. Nobody. It's too soon to know for sure. "
Yeah but dieing of cancer 10 years ago gives 100% immunity |
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"I definitely get the feeling there is a level of this you just have to watch the forums here or anywhere else on the internet .. there seems to be overwhelming belief that death is the most likely outcome by a good number of people. The numbers - even the “case numbers” suggest nothing like this. The message in the media before lockdown was strong with “the majority of people will get through an infection without feeling too ill or requiring hospital” that message has disappeared and the message is all about death...
I tend to agree with you here.
A lot of people are painting a blacker picture than it really is.
Don't agree. Seeing too much death professionally to believe any of that crap that is being sprouted about it being an over reaction. When it hits you it will hit you. But hey it's all a big hoax if it makes you feel better.
I have had it.
I dont think its a hoax.
Just that I think fears are being played on.
You've had it. You've recovered and that's great, however alot don't. People are dying who shouldn't be. I hope that plays on everyone's fears and they stay home and stick to the government advice. The general public are fuckin idiots! Street parties and mass celebrations like it's one big jolly. I really don't think some people get how serious this is, even now. Again I agree the general public are idiots .
I stay in and follow the guidelines.
Itz been the longest 6 weeks of my life .
I can't wait to get back to work but I follow the guidelines.
It didn't stop me catching it from my keyworkers wife."
No buy it probably did stop you from passing it on to an unknown exponential of people that you would have come in to contact with after ... ever played the 6 degrees of separation game?
Ps i know you are staying home not a dig at you just an expansion on your situation |
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And as a younger man, you can afford to take a more cavalier approach with little risk to your own continued existence.
The issue is though, how our actions can impact upon others.
You have to ask yourself if some trivial increase in your own personal freedoms or convenience is worth your mother's life. Because, relatively low chance it might be, it could come down to that.
I mean I’d be more than happy to take the risk ... she is immune to this
I might have missed something in earlier posts, but if its coronavirus you're talking about, too little is known to count on anybody having a functional level of immunity. Nobody. It's too soon to know for sure.
Yeah but dieing of cancer 10 years ago gives 100% immunity "
So because your mum unfortunately passed of something else historically to hell with everyone elses? Thats a bit selfish no?? |
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"Keyworker wife **
That's my biggest fear, passing it to someone vulnerable. If I get it then it's expected, and I'd probably be ok. If I pass it to others then that is unthinkable."
ok I understand. |
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"Keyworker wife **
That's my biggest fear, passing it to someone vulnerable. If I get it then it's expected, and I'd probably be ok. If I pass it to others then that is unthinkable."
Spot on. I'm almost 64, with a heart rhythm issue, but generally strong and would fancy my chances of survival if the worst happened (although you never know). But my wife is 71 and significantly less healthy. A bad case would be a death sentence for sure. So I act accordingly.
This is all about others, not ourselves. |
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"No one fears change more than those who benefit from the current situation. No matter how bad it is. "
When old societies are dying [literally in this instance I suppose] new ones are formed by those who are not afraid to be insecure. |
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And as a younger man, you can afford to take a more cavalier approach with little risk to your own continued existence.
The issue is though, how our actions can impact upon others.
You have to ask yourself if some trivial increase in your own personal freedoms or convenience is worth your mother's life. Because, relatively low chance it might be, it could come down to that.
I mean I’d be more than happy to take the risk ... she is immune to this
I might have missed something in earlier posts, but if its coronavirus you're talking about, too little is known to count on anybody having a functional level of immunity. Nobody. It's too soon to know for sure.
Yeah but dieing of cancer 10 years ago gives 100% immunity
So because your mum unfortunately passed of something else historically to hell with everyone elses? Thats a bit selfish no??"
I was responding to your hypothetical question ... you never mentioned anyone else ? |
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"I definitely get the feeling there is a level of this you just have to watch the forums here or anywhere else on the internet .. there seems to be overwhelming belief that death is the most likely outcome by a good number of people. The numbers - even the “case numbers” suggest nothing like this. The message in the media before lockdown was strong with “the majority of people will get through an infection without feeling too ill or requiring hospital” that message has disappeared and the message is all about death...
I tend to agree with you here.
A lot of people are painting a blacker picture than it really is.
Don't agree. Seeing too much death professionally to believe any of that crap that is being sprouted about it being an over reaction. When it hits you it will hit you. But hey it's all a big hoax if it makes you feel better.
I have had it.
I dont think its a hoax.
Just that I think fears are being played on.
You've had it. You've recovered and that's great, however alot don't. People are dying who shouldn't be. I hope that plays on everyone's fears and they stay home and stick to the government advice. The general public are fuckin idiots! Street parties and mass celebrations like it's one big jolly. I really don't think some people get how serious this is, even now. Again I agree the general public are idiots .
I stay in and follow the guidelines.
Itz been the longest 6 weeks of my life .
I can't wait to get back to work but I follow the guidelines.
It didn't stop me catching it from my keyworkers wife.
No buy it probably did stop you from passing it on to an unknown exponential of people that you would have come in to contact with after ... ever played the 6 degrees of separation game?
Ps i know you are staying home not a dig at you just an expansion on your situation"
I know not seeing the children and grandchildren is making me climb the walls.
I am only on here because the mrs is on a 12 hour shift |
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"Keyworker wife **
That's my biggest fear, passing it to someone vulnerable. If I get it then it's expected, and I'd probably be ok. If I pass it to others then that is unthinkable.
Spot on. I'm almost 64, with a heart rhythm issue, but generally strong and would fancy my chances of survival if the worst happened (although you never know). But my wife is 71 and significantly less healthy. A bad case would be a death sentence for sure. So I act accordingly.
This is all about others, not ourselves."
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And as a younger man, you can afford to take a more cavalier approach with little risk to your own continued existence.
The issue is though, how our actions can impact upon others.
You have to ask yourself if some trivial increase in your own personal freedoms or convenience is worth your mother's life. Because, relatively low chance it might be, it could come down to that.
I mean I’d be more than happy to take the risk ... she is immune to this
I might have missed something in earlier posts, but if its coronavirus you're talking about, too little is known to count on anybody having a functional level of immunity. Nobody. It's too soon to know for sure.
Yeah but dieing of cancer 10 years ago gives 100% immunity
So because your mum unfortunately passed of something else historically to hell with everyone elses? Thats a bit selfish no??
I was responding to your hypothetical question ... you never mentioned anyone else ?"
It wasn’t my question, but your increase in freedom being at the costs of someone’s mothers life is alot closer to the reality of it than just a hypothetical |
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And as a younger man, you can afford to take a more cavalier approach with little risk to your own continued existence.
The issue is though, how our actions can impact upon others.
You have to ask yourself if some trivial increase in your own personal freedoms or convenience is worth your mother's life. Because, relatively low chance it might be, it could come down to that.
I mean I’d be more than happy to take the risk ... she is immune to this
I might have missed something in earlier posts, but if its coronavirus you're talking about, too little is known to count on anybody having a functional level of immunity. Nobody. It's too soon to know for sure.
Yeah but dieing of cancer 10 years ago gives 100% immunity
So because your mum unfortunately passed of something else historically to hell with everyone elses? Thats a bit selfish no??
I was responding to your hypothetical question ... you never mentioned anyone else ?
It wasn’t my question, but your increase in freedom being at the costs of someone’s mothers life is alot closer to the reality of it than just a hypothetical"
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And as a younger man, you can afford to take a more cavalier approach with little risk to your own continued existence.
The issue is though, how our actions can impact upon others.
You have to ask yourself if some trivial increase in your own personal freedoms or convenience is worth your mother's life. Because, relatively low chance it might be, it could come down to that.
I mean I’d be more than happy to take the risk ... she is immune to this
I might have missed something in earlier posts, but if its coronavirus you're talking about, too little is known to count on anybody having a functional level of immunity. Nobody. It's too soon to know for sure.
Yeah but dieing of cancer 10 years ago gives 100% immunity
So because your mum unfortunately passed of something else historically to hell with everyone elses? Thats a bit selfish no??
I was responding to your hypothetical question ... you never mentioned anyone else ?
It wasn’t my question, but your increase in freedom being at the costs of someone’s mothers life is alot closer to the reality of it than just a hypothetical
Nailed it "
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Time to wake up and smell the coffee folks. But without elaborating further (and I'm not sure if posting links is allowed) can I suggest that you Google for a 45 minute podcast interview with a recently retired UK Consultant pathologist who explains much of this and how it was all based on weak data. Definitely worth the effort
"Escape from Lockdown
Episode 4 Dr John Lee (part 1)" |
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Most schools just won’t be able to physically fit the numbers in with social distancing. The classrooms are not big enough.
What about intimate care of young children without any protection? Yes I appreciate that they think children rarely get it or are carries but for the ones that do, they have no idea how much of it they shed. The adult could have it.
Distancing in classrooms is one thing, distancing down corridors and in the dining hall are different again.
A school of 350 children, 40ish staff, one staff room. It’s not easy.
Parents coming and going, so many adults. Stagger start and end times, and year groups. How does that help working parents? You just go back to work but can’t fully commit because of school? Granny will be on call again but she’s in a vulnerable group. I could go on. |
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Some are selfish and will not see the truth of our predicament.
Conspiracy theories and looking for loopholes in the lockdown rules is a sad indictment of our 'society' and proof, if it were needed, of how aeak and selfish some among us really are.
Over and out. |
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"Time to wake up and smell the coffee folks. But without elaborating further (and I'm not sure if posting links is allowed) can I suggest that you Google for a 45 minute podcast interview with a recently retired UK Consultant pathologist who explains much of this and how it was all based on weak data. Definitely worth the effort
"Escape from Lockdown
Episode 4 Dr John Lee (part 1)""
Do you have a link? |
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Government tells you there is a virus out there that can kill you, majority of population take no notice.
Government tell you there is a virus out there and you can be responsible for killing others then A. More people become more careful and B. The population starts to police itself |
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"My grandma died of the virus last night no underlying health issues relatively fit, I deffinatly think we should be scared and stay being sensible. "
You're quite right. Sincere condolences. |
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"Unions are paid to whinge - I think most people would like to go back to work (or they will when furlough ends)."
Employed people join a union and pay subscriptions so that someone will ensure their employers don't shit on them. |
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"Is this happening, I don’t mean by the government, more by how the lockdown is affecting us. For example on the radio today some teachers union person said it’s impossible to teach given the pandemic, life is being squeezed out of us."
We are only behaving in a responsible way because we are scared.
Those who don't feel vulnerable continue to behave as if there is no problem.
The AIDS campaign used fear to drive the message home and it worked in the West.
Countries like South Africa pretended that it wasn't a problem and a generation was decimated.
The only reason that hundreds of thousands instead of tens of thousands of people haven't died is because we have been scared and have stayed at home.
We now have to learn how to be scared and go out. |
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Fear is a choice. You can choose to be scared or you can choose not to be scared.
Fear either comes from something outside of us or from something inside our heads. Yet when you look at it, you’ll find that every fear you experience is actually made of thought.
Read "The Three Principles: Sydney Banks".
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"Is this happening, I don’t mean by the government, more by how the lockdown is affecting us. For example on the radio today some teachers union person said it’s impossible to teach given the pandemic, life is being squeezed out of us.
We are only behaving in a responsible way because we are scared.
Those who don't feel vulnerable continue to behave as if there is no problem.
The AIDS campaign used fear to drive the message home and it worked in the West.
Countries like South Africa pretended that it wasn't a problem and a generation was decimated.
The only reason that hundreds of thousands instead of tens of thousands of people haven't died is because we have been scared and have stayed at home.
We now have to learn how to be scared and go out."
I think your last line is absolutely spot on, I worry that we are generally becoming trapped by our own media though, we have to learn to live with this.
Before someone shouts I’m adhering to the rules totally, I’m just questioning how we are reacting. |
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"Unions are paid to whinge - I think most people would like to go back to work (or they will when furlough ends).
Employed people join a union and pay subscriptions so that someone will ensure their employers don't shit on them."
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” A study from Cambridge has shown people in the UK are more scared than in any other country.
This relentless culture of fear has to end - it's dangerous.
People know the risks of Coronavirus. A country paralysed by fear raises lots of new dangers.”
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"Is this happening, I don’t mean by the government, more by how the lockdown is affecting us. For example on the radio today some teachers union person said it’s impossible to teach given the pandemic, life is being squeezed out of us.This is the unions trying to use muscle to destroy the country,reachers train drivers etc,thy want to wreck things they love the virus"
Tell me how does the demise of the country pan out by people working in a safe environment?
Are you saying the NHS staff, police and firefighters are also contributing to this destruction..
And the other key workers who have a right to not have their health compromised.. |
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"Unions are paid to whinge - I think most people would like to go back to work (or they will when furlough ends).
Employed people join a union and pay subscriptions so that someone will ensure their employers don't shit on them.
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People who think that unions are "paid to whinge" should give their heads a wobble and read a bit of history. If it wasn't for unions, most of you would still be working 12 hour shifts 6 days a week with no paid time off, being paid a pittance and living in tied accommodation with no chance of ever owning your own home.
There would likely have been no Labour party and no votes for the masses, men as well as women, and almost certainly no NHS.
Ordinary folk who decry unions have been largely programmed by the aristocracy, the rich and the right wing media over decades, by negative reporting, and they bloody well infuriate me.
When the unions had power there was no gig economy or zero hour contracts, and unemployment was much lower than it is today, pandemic not withstanding.
Perhaps you'd prefer to go back to the feudal system? I'm sure the Tories would be happy to oblige.  |
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"Unions are paid to whinge - I think most people would like to go back to work (or they will when furlough ends).
Employed people join a union and pay subscriptions so that someone will ensure their employers don't shit on them.
People who think that unions are "paid to whinge" should give their heads a wobble and read a bit of history. If it wasn't for unions, most of you would still be working 12 hour shifts 6 days a week with no paid time off, being paid a pittance and living in tied accommodation with no chance of ever owning your own home.
There would likely have been no Labour party and no votes for the masses, men as well as women, and almost certainly no NHS.
Ordinary folk who decry unions have been largely programmed by the aristocracy, the rich and the right wing media over decades, by negative reporting, and they bloody well infuriate me.
When the unions had power there was no gig economy or zero hour contracts, and unemployment was much lower than it is today, pandemic not withstanding.
Perhaps you'd prefer to go back to the feudal system? I'm sure the Tories would be happy to oblige. "
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"Unions are paid to whinge - I think most people would like to go back to work (or they will when furlough ends).
Employed people join a union and pay subscriptions so that someone will ensure their employers don't shit on them.
People who think that unions are "paid to whinge" should give their heads a wobble and read a bit of history. If it wasn't for unions, most of you would still be working 12 hour shifts 6 days a week with no paid time off, being paid a pittance and living in tied accommodation with no chance of ever owning your own home.
There would likely have been no Labour party and no votes for the masses, men as well as women, and almost certainly no NHS.
Ordinary folk who decry unions have been largely programmed by the aristocracy, the rich and the right wing media over decades, by negative reporting, and they bloody well infuriate me.
When the unions had power there was no gig economy or zero hour contracts, and unemployment was much lower than it is today, pandemic not withstanding.
Perhaps you'd prefer to go back to the feudal system? I'm sure the Tories would be happy to oblige.
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When the unions had more power, in the 60s and 70s say, this country was a shithole circling the drain. My father was a SOFAT F.O.C. so I'm no brainwashed lackey of the aristocracy. People who pine for those days often didn't live through them.
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"Unions are paid to whinge - I think most people would like to go back to work (or they will when furlough ends).
Employed people join a union and pay subscriptions so that someone will ensure their employers don't shit on them.
People who think that unions are "paid to whinge" should give their heads a wobble and read a bit of history. If it wasn't for unions, most of you would still be working 12 hour shifts 6 days a week with no paid time off, being paid a pittance and living in tied accommodation with no chance of ever owning your own home.
There would likely have been no Labour party and no votes for the masses, men as well as women, and almost certainly no NHS.
Ordinary folk who decry unions have been largely programmed by the aristocracy, the rich and the right wing media over decades, by negative reporting, and they bloody well infuriate me.
When the unions had power there was no gig economy or zero hour contracts, and unemployment was much lower than it is today, pandemic not withstanding.
Perhaps you'd prefer to go back to the feudal system? I'm sure the Tories would be happy to oblige.
When the unions had more power, in the 60s and 70s say, this country was a shithole circling the drain. My father was a SOFAT F.O.C. so I'm no brainwashed lackey of the aristocracy. People who pine for those days often didn't live through them.
This is not a class thing. It's a survival thing. "
I lived through them and the country was not a shithole by any means. You may not be a brainwashed lackey, but you've certainly bought into the anti union propaganda.
Anyway, I've had my rant, and this thread isn't about unions, so I'm done now. Have a nice day. |
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"Unions are paid to whinge - I think most people would like to go back to work (or they will when furlough ends).
*Unions are paid to defend their members from shitty bosses.
Fixed that for you bud
I disagree but that’s ok ???? "
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"My grandma died of the virus last night no underlying health issues relatively fit, I deffinatly think we should be scared and stay being sensible. "
Do you think you should be scared as an athletic 34 year old? |
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"My grandma died of the virus last night no underlying health issues relatively fit, I deffinatly think we should be scared and stay being sensible.
Do you think you should be scared as an athletic 34 year old?"
Fuck yes he should.
1) It isn't only us decrepit oldies who die.
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2) He should ge scared of becoming a vector to infect others. Becoming complicit in causing their suffering.
Think of others for a minute FFS.
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"My grandma died of the virus last night no underlying health issues relatively fit, I deffinatly think we should be scared and stay being sensible.
Do you think you should be scared as an athletic 34 year old?"
My mother died last year in a care home of the flu, done remember everyone locking the home down or putting on ppe. |
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"Unions are paid to whinge - I think most people would like to go back to work (or they will when furlough ends).
Employed people join a union and pay subscriptions so that someone will ensure their employers don't shit on them.
People who think that unions are "paid to whinge" should give their heads a wobble and read a bit of history. If it wasn't for unions, most of you would still be working 12 hour shifts 6 days a week with no paid time off, being paid a pittance and living in tied accommodation with no chance of ever owning your own home.
There would likely have been no Labour party and no votes for the masses, men as well as women, and almost certainly no NHS.
Ordinary folk who decry unions have been largely programmed by the aristocracy, the rich and the right wing media over decades, by negative reporting, and they bloody well infuriate me.... "
Never met a business owner?
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"Fear is always a very important part of any plandemic.
And what a job its done on some of the fab folk.
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I would also say most of the whole world as well. |
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One question I have is...so all sensible people accept that there was a pandemic in the early 1900s...yes?...
That was around the flu...(in correctly called Spanish flu)..
So why do we doubt the impact of another virus..from the Corona burial family..that is very contagious..and new to humans...so while all the Muppets can believe their conspiracy theories.. please don't go anywhere..nor clap the NHS. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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When you see people dying from this shitting virus because they're drowning in their own sputum.....
When you have seen people coming into hospital because they're oxygen levels are dangerously low and they are literally dragging air into their lungs.....
When you have seen the fear in somebody's eyes who had just been told that they need to be intubated and ventilated because they are so unwell and we can't guarantee that they will survive...
Then, maybe then, you will be qualified to comment!! |
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"Unions are paid to whinge - I think most people would like to go back to work (or they will when furlough ends).
Employed people join a union and pay subscriptions so that someone will ensure their employers don't shit on them.
People who think that unions are "paid to whinge" should give their heads a wobble and read a bit of history. If it wasn't for unions, most of you would still be working 12 hour shifts 6 days a week with no paid time off, being paid a pittance and living in tied accommodation with no chance of ever owning your own home.
There would likely have been no Labour party and no votes for the masses, men as well as women, and almost certainly no NHS.
Ordinary folk who decry unions have been largely programmed by the aristocracy, the rich and the right wing media over decades, by negative reporting, and they bloody well infuriate me....
Never met a business owner?
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At my age dear, it would be a bloody miracle if I hadn't, of course I have, good and bad. The good ones cooperate with the unions to provide a good working environment and decent wages, and if they aren't unionised they still care about their workforce. the bad ones only care about lining their own pockets and there are plenty of those around today, unfortunately.
Thankfully I'm retired with a good pension so it's no longer my problem, but I'll always support trades unions, because without them most workers get screwed.
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"Unions are paid to whinge - I think most people would like to go back to work (or they will when furlough ends).
Employed people join a union and pay subscriptions so that someone will ensure their employers don't shit on them.
People who think that unions are "paid to whinge" should give their heads a wobble and read a bit of history. If it wasn't for unions, most of you would still be working 12 hour shifts 6 days a week with no paid time off, being paid a pittance and living in tied accommodation with no chance of ever owning your own home.
There would likely have been no Labour party and no votes for the masses, men as well as women, and almost certainly no NHS.
Ordinary folk who decry unions have been largely programmed by the aristocracy, the rich and the right wing media over decades, by negative reporting, and they bloody well infuriate me....
Never met a business owner?
At my age dear, it would be a bloody miracle if I hadn't, of course I have, good and bad. The good ones cooperate with the unions to provide a good working environment and decent wages, and if they aren't unionised they still care about their workforce. the bad ones only care about lining their own pockets and there are plenty of those around today, unfortunately.
Thankfully I'm retired with a good pension so it's no longer my problem, but I'll always support trades unions, because without them most workers get screwed.
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Fair enough, I am glad you have done well. I guess I’ve been lucky that I’ve never had a terrible employer and don’t think that I am one. I just hope we have jobs to go back to to be honest. |
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No denying the virus is bad. But the economic cold we are going to catch is going to make Covid19 look like a kids tea party...in terms of suffering and ultimately death. It’s an economic fact that severe recession and poverty causes an increase in death, let alone the younger generation, our children inheriting an economic wasteland. It’s time everyone got this mess into perspective and focus on the whole picture and not just parts of it, as hard as that might be. No doubt the country is consumed by fear and anxiety, it’s just that the fear and anxiety is misguided from what the real suffering is going to be at the end of this. The quicker we get rational and focus on finding a balance that preserves as many lives as possible without sacrificing many many more down the line the better.
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"No denying the virus is bad. But the economic cold we are going to catch is going to make Covid19 look like a kids tea party...in terms of suffering and ultimately death. It’s an economic fact that severe recession and poverty causes an increase in death, let alone the younger generation, our children inheriting an economic wasteland. It’s time everyone got this mess into perspective and focus on the whole picture and not just parts of it, as hard as that might be. No doubt the country is consumed by fear and anxiety, it’s just that the fear and anxiety is misguided from what the real suffering is going to be at the end of this. The quicker we get rational and focus on finding a balance that preserves as many lives as possible without sacrificing many many more down the line the better.
Rant over. "
It's not a rant, it's totally true and makes perfect sense. Will all of the virus vigilantes now become economic and social vigilantes and renegades in the future. Or just retreat into their suburban shells pre-cockdown? |
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By *asyukMan
over a year ago
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"” A study from Cambridge has shown people in the UK are more scared than in any other country.
This relentless culture of fear has to end - it's dangerous.
People know the risks of Coronavirus. A country paralysed by fear raises lots of new dangers.”
Prof Karol Sikora "
The culture of fear brought us Brexit.
Fear the immigrant.
Fear the Muslim (why that is helped by Brexit, who knows?).
Fear the EU "superstate".
All sorts of dangers that fear has created for us eh? |
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"No denying the virus is bad. But the economic cold we are going to catch is going to make Covid19 look like a kids tea party...in terms of suffering and ultimately death. It’s an economic fact that severe recession and poverty causes an increase in death, let alone the younger generation, our children inheriting an economic wasteland. It’s time everyone got this mess into perspective and focus on the whole picture and not just parts of it, as hard as that might be. No doubt the country is consumed by fear and anxiety, it’s just that the fear and anxiety is misguided from what the real suffering is going to be at the end of this. The quicker we get rational and focus on finding a balance that preserves as many lives as possible without sacrificing many many more down the line the better.
Rant over.
It's not a rant, it's totally true and makes perfect sense. Will all of the virus vigilantes now become economic and social vigilantes and renegades in the future. Or just retreat into their suburban shells pre-cockdown? "
It's not 'totally true', it's speculation. There's no way to say for sure what approach will save or cost more lives over the long term.
It's also all very well to talk about an 'economic wasteland', but this ignores the fact that
a) letting the virus spread more widely and freely will have its own economic consequences, and
b) telling people they have to travel and go to work and face the risk of covid19 'for the good of the economy' is not exactly an easy sell. You're going to struggle to get people to believe that they need to put themselves and loved ones at risk for a noble cause, and not just to make sure the fat cats don't lose too much in bonuses. |
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"Moaning about everything is actually just another way of people trying to control people too while under the guile of saying that others are trying to control them.
Smile at the naysayers, the conspiracists, the purveyors of doom, it really annoys them.
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A conspiracy theory about conspiracy theorists. I can get on board with this |
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By *asmeenTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Is this happening, I don’t mean by the government, more by how the lockdown is affecting us. For example on the radio today some teachers union person said it’s impossible to teach given the pandemic, life is being squeezed out of us."
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