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By *asIsaCouple
over a year ago
harrow |
"I’m sure everyone wants lockdown to ease, but I just don’t see any real reductions in the death toll.
Anyone else think this is too soon?"
Yes the numbers aren't even close yet. 4000 a week dying and we just had 50000 new infections in the last week with limited testing! So expect a tweak or 2 Sunday night but no more than that. You can see them backtracking now on the 'R' figure. They will review the figures again in 3 weeks |
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By *estivalMan
over a year ago
borehamwood |
i was under the impression not a lot is gona change this sunday only teason they saying anything is yhey have to update us every 3 weeks.end of may im guessing you will see big changes but not this weekend |
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Because of its virulence, wide spread and the many asymptomatic cases it causes, Covid-19 cannot be contained in the long run, and so all countries will eventually reach herd immunity. To think otherwise is naive and dangerous. General lockdown strategies can reduce transmission and death counts in the short term. But this strategy cannot be considered successful until lockdowns are removed without the disease resurging.
The choice we face is stark. One option is to maintain a general lockdown for an unknown amount of time until herd immunity is reached through a future vaccine or until there is a safe and effective treatment. This must be weighed against the detrimental effects that lockdowns have on other health outcomes. The second option is to minimise the number of deaths until herd immunity is achieved through natural infection.
Among anti-herd immunity believers, it is popular to compare the current number of Covid-19 deaths by country and as a proportion of the population. Such comparisons are misleading, as they ignore the existence of herd immunity. A country much closer to herd immunity will ultimately do better even if their current death count is somewhat higher. The key statistic is instead the number of deaths per infected.
The current one-size-fits-all lockdown approach is leading to unnecessary deaths. Protecting older people and other high-risk groups will be logistically and politically more difficult than isolating the young by closing schools and universities but is clearly the way to go. |
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By *os19Man
over a year ago
Edmonton |
"I’m sure everyone wants lockdown to ease, but I just don’t see any real reductions in the death toll.
Anyone else think this is too soon?"
. I have to agree so far over 31,000 deaths everyday seems to be 600 plus deaths.I think another 3 weeks and review again. |
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"Because of its virulence, wide spread and the many asymptomatic cases it causes, Covid-19 cannot be contained in the long run, and so all countries will eventually reach herd immunity. To think otherwise is naive and dangerous. General lockdown strategies can reduce transmission and death counts in the short term. But this strategy cannot be considered successful until lockdowns are removed without the disease resurging.
The choice we face is stark. One option is to maintain a general lockdown for an unknown amount of time until herd immunity is reached through a future vaccine or until there is a safe and effective treatment. This must be weighed against the detrimental effects that lockdowns have on other health outcomes. The second option is to minimise the number of deaths until herd immunity is achieved through natural infection.
Among anti-herd immunity believers, it is popular to compare the current number of Covid-19 deaths by country and as a proportion of the population. Such comparisons are misleading, as they ignore the existence of herd immunity. A country much closer to herd immunity will ultimately do better even if their current death count is somewhat higher. The key statistic is instead the number of deaths per infected.
The current one-size-fits-all lockdown approach is leading to unnecessary deaths. Protecting older people and other high-risk groups will be logistically and politically more difficult than isolating the young by closing schools and universities but is clearly the way to go."
 pretty much how I see it too x |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I’m sure everyone wants lockdown to ease, but I just don’t see any real reductions in the death toll.
Anyone else think this is too soon?. I have to agree so far over 31,000 deaths everyday seems to be 600 plus deaths.I think another 3 weeks and review again."
Still trying to work it out 5 weeks ago over 600 dying now still 600 dying how's lockdown working? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I’m sure everyone wants lockdown to ease, but I just don’t see any real reductions in the death toll.
Anyone else think this is too soon?"
underlying problem is people jobs most of the patients who are dying are vulnerable elderly sadly this will continue untill cure is found vacine willnot protect everyone just like flu vaccine does not with winter on it's way in few months it dont ok 2 good we all know lockdown cannot remain indefinite |
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By *mmabluTV/TS
over a year ago
upton wirral |
"I think we need to get the economy up and running but sill keep the 2 meter rule the bank of England cart keep bayling the uk out "
It is finding the ight blence,the government is damned whatever it does but life must go on
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The stay at home message was just to reduce transmission of the virus, to protect the nhs from being overwhelmed, so people who need hospital help could receive it, so saving lives.
Now we are in a hole that we need to get out of without transmission of the virus going back to day one again, a big old balancing act and anyones answer is just best guess. |
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Johnson wouldn't face parliament with his opening up of relaxation, due to purported last minute data from the scientists. And yet he has been busy revealing stuff all week, showing the depth of how little he can be trusted. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I’m sure everyone wants lockdown to ease, but I just don’t see any real reductions in the death toll.
Anyone else think this is too soon?. I have to agree so far over 31,000 deaths everyday seems to be 600 plus deaths.I think another 3 weeks and review again.Still trying to work it out 5 weeks ago over 600 dying now still 600 dying how's lockdown working?"
Because there is a few weeks lag between getting infected and dying (or not). 5 weeks ago lockdown hadn't taken effect. It was 600 and rising....topped out at 800+ it is now slowly falling. Hospital admissions falling from a few weeks earlier. Lockdown HAS had an effect...but not enough yet to consider any significant changes. Needs to be gradual, phased and monitored....which seems to be the plan.... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Spain are seeing a second wave of it now couple of days after easing lockdown. So I really don't think there is the perfect answer..  "
Are they? I've not seen this reported anywhere. Their "eased" lockdown is still stricter than ours ever was... |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"I’m sure everyone wants lockdown to ease, but I just don’t see any real reductions in the death toll.
Anyone else think this is too soon?. I have to agree so far over 31,000 deaths everyday seems to be 600 uh plus deaths.I think another 3 weeks and review again.Still trying to work it out 5 weeks ago over 600 dying now still 600 dying how's lockdown working?"
5 weeks ago the figures you mention of around 600 was hospital deaths only. At that time they did not report deaths in care homes or the community.
The 600 ish deaths reported now includes all settings (care homes ect deaths included)
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By *reya73Woman
over a year ago
Whitley Bay |
There are less admissions to hospital. The NHS is not as overwhelmed.
The government want people to begin boosting the economy, consuming and doing the important stuff like getting a maccy D and a haircut. Ffs. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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There haven't been 600 deaths a day since mid April. Since the start of May its been under 300.
However, the government insists on showing "reported" deaths per day. A lot of these deaths are from ages ago in the outbreak.
Why they show it like that is another issue, but the downslope of deaths per day has been pretty constant since it peaked on April 8th. |
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From our understanding though, the NHS are coping now and there are plenty of hospital beds available, so maybe it is time to slowly start easing the lockdown. The country does need to get back to and running again. |
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By *rFunBoyMan
over a year ago
Longridge |
"I’m sure everyone wants lockdown to ease, but I just don’t see any real reductions in the death toll.
Anyone else think this is too soon?. I have to agree so far over 31,000 deaths everyday seems to be 600 plus deaths.I think another 3 weeks and review again.Still trying to work it out 5 weeks ago over 600 dying now still 600 dying how's lockdown working?"
Started adding care home data to total.
Hosptal deaths lower, care home deaths still high... Balance shift but agree, too soon to release unless herd immunity is the undisclosed intention..
Process the next batch.. then another, then another..
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I would be happier if they enforced it with martial law and locked up everyone breaching the rules in internment camps. At least for another 4-6 weeks! Let them be the heard! |
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By *iger4uWoman
over a year ago
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"Spain are seeing a second wave of it now couple of days after easing lockdown. So I really don't think there is the perfect answer..
Are they? I've not seen this reported anywhere. Their "eased" lockdown is still stricter than ours ever was..."
Germany have put some restrictions back in place when rates went up after easing. Not all areas tho. |
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By *iger4uWoman
over a year ago
In my happy place |
"Johnson wouldn't face parliament with his opening up of relaxation, due to purported last minute data from the scientists. And yet he has been busy revealing stuff all week, showing the depth of how little he can be trusted. "
He will use #the scientists as cannon fodder |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"My friend who works at knightingale hospital said its closing it
What the hospital? "
London nightingale being mothballed. Non of the others even had any patients so additional capacity in the 1000's.
Or have you not heard of nightingale hospitals? |
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
kildare |
Boris fucking Johnson has given nothing but mixed messages this while crisis leading to nothing but confusion
But this last week has even been worse
While other European leaders are being clear and concise this bumbling fuck hasn't a clue
Such confusion over this,half country think it's end of lockdown and are acting as such all because of the blonde fucks mixed messages |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Boris fucking Johnson has given nothing but mixed messages this while crisis leading to nothing but confusion
But this last week has even been worse
While other European leaders are being clear and concise this bumbling fuck hasn't a clue
Such confusion over this,half country think it's end of lockdown and are acting as such all because of the blonde fucks mixed messages"
And nothing to do with the MSM then?
Every briefing reinforces the message. Stay home, save life's, protect the NHS.
That message hasn't changed from day one! |
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
kildare |
"Boris fucking Johnson has given nothing but mixed messages this while crisis leading to nothing but confusion
But this last week has even been worse
While other European leaders are being clear and concise this bumbling fuck hasn't a clue
Such confusion over this,half country think it's end of lockdown and are acting as such all because of the blonde fucks mixed messages
And nothing to do with the MSM then?
Every briefing reinforces the message. Stay home, save life's, protect the NHS.
That message hasn't changed from day one! "
No on UK's day 1 Boris and co were talking herd immunity,on Europe's day 1 was lockdown
Even after day 1 and up until mid march,MID MARCH,Boris was saying UK will stay open for business and be a beacon of free trade for world to see
Vital time lost from day 1 |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Construction workers gardeners and garden centres only change on sunday"
If this is correct, they are a bit late announcing it, as I live on a new build on a building site and the workers here started back last Wednesday.
Also my friend is a gardener and he has worked the entire time. |
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"I’m sure everyone wants lockdown to ease, but I just don’t see any real reductions in the death toll.
Anyone else think this is too soon?. I have to agree so far over 31,000 deaths everyday seems to be 600 plus deaths.I think another 3 weeks and review again.Still trying to work it out 5 weeks ago over 600 dying now still 600 dying how's lockdown working?"
Because the figures 5 weeks ago were hospitals only deaths, the figures now include other deaths from care homes etc. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Really hoping lockdown doesn't end yet though as the death count is still too high, as are the new cases.
But aside from that on a selfish note, I'm happier and less stressed than ever. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Construction workers gardeners and garden centres only change on sunday
If this is correct, they are a bit late announcing it, as I live on a new build on a building site and the workers here started back last Wednesday.
Also my friend is a gardener and he has worked the entire time."
There has never been any rules to say construction workers couldn't work.
Garderners could work as well.
The only criteria was that social distancing had to be observed whilst working.
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"Boris fucking Johnson has given nothing but mixed messages this while crisis leading to nothing but confusion
But this last week has even been worse
While other European leaders are being clear and concise this bumbling fuck hasn't a clue
Such confusion over this,half country think it's end of lockdown and are acting as such all because of the blonde fucks mixed messages
And nothing to do with the MSM then?
Every briefing reinforces the message. Stay home, save life's, protect the NHS.
That message hasn't changed from day one!
No on UK's day 1 Boris and co were talking herd immunity,on Europe's day 1 was lockdown
Even after day 1 and up until mid march,MID MARCH,Boris was saying UK will stay open for business and be a beacon of free trade for world to see
Vital time lost from day 1"
Staying open for business doesn't meet a day at the beach. As an earlier poster said...increase the penalties for social breaches...its people that are the problem, not the government. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Construction workers gardeners and garden centres only change on sunday
If this is correct, they are a bit late announcing it, as I live on a new build on a building site and the workers here started back last Wednesday.
Also my friend is a gardener and he has worked the entire time.
There has never been any rules to say construction workers couldn't work.
Garderners could work as well.
The only criteria was that social distancing had to be observed whilst working.
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Yes, I am aware of this. My point was to the poster I replied to. |
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"Construction workers gardeners and garden centres only change on sunday
If this is correct, they are a bit late announcing it, as I live on a new build on a building site and the workers here started back last Wednesday.
Also my friend is a gardener and he has worked the entire time.
There has never been any rules to say construction workers couldn't work.
Garderners could work as well.
The only criteria was that social distancing had to be observed whilst working.
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So there are two guys on a site.
One has just been using a shovel (he has Covid but doesn’t know it)
Another guy from his team walks up and starts to use the same shovel.
Where does distancing help? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Spain are seeing a second wave of it now couple of days after easing lockdown. So I really don't think there is the perfect answer..
Are they? I've not seen this reported anywhere. Their "eased" lockdown is still stricter than ours ever was..."
That's a good point.
Their lockdown was stricter than ours so the numbers should not be compared. Our numbers will be higher as many people are still out and about. |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Construction workers gardeners and garden centres only change on sunday
If this is correct, they are a bit late announcing it, as I live on a new build on a building site and the workers here started back last Wednesday.
Also my friend is a gardener and he has worked the entire time.
There has never been any rules to say construction workers couldn't work.
Garderners could work as well.
The only criteria was that social distancing had to be observed whilst working.
So there are two guys on a site.
One has just been using a shovel (he has Covid but doesn’t know it)
Another guy from his team walks up and starts to use the same shovel.
Where does distancing help?"
It's upto the Employer to put safe working practices in as well, and enforce them.
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
Grantham |
"Spain are seeing a second wave of it now couple of days after easing lockdown. So I really don't think there is the perfect answer..
Are they? I've not seen this reported anywhere. Their "eased" lockdown is still stricter than ours ever was...
That's a good point.
Their lockdown was stricter than ours so the numbers should not be compared. Our numbers will be higher as many people are still out and about. "
The UK didn't have a lockdown as such. Just restrictions put on the population.
Many observed them, a few selfish ones ignored them. |
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
kildare |
"Boris fucking Johnson has given nothing but mixed messages this while crisis leading to nothing but confusion
But this last week has even been worse
While other European leaders are being clear and concise this bumbling fuck hasn't a clue
Such confusion over this,half country think it's end of lockdown and are acting as such all because of the blonde fucks mixed messages
And nothing to do with the MSM then?
Every briefing reinforces the message. Stay home, save life's, protect the NHS.
That message hasn't changed from day one!
No on UK's day 1 Boris and co were talking herd immunity,on Europe's day 1 was lockdown
Even after day 1 and up until mid march,MID MARCH,Boris was saying UK will stay open for business and be a beacon of free trade for world to see
Vital time lost from day 1
Staying open for business doesn't meet a day at the beach. As an earlier poster said...increase the penalties for social breaches...its people that are the problem, not the government. "
I blame the government and especially Boris for their mixed messages which led to people not knowing or following rules
And so it continues,the easing will be as badly handled as the lockdown itself
Boris fucking Johnson is a disgrace
On a par with trump and he always has been |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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" I blame the government and especially Boris for their mixed messages which led to people not knowing or following rules
And so it continues,the easing will be as badly handled as the lockdown itself
Boris fucking Johnson is a disgrace
On a par with trump and he always has been"
Yes, this Virus is completely our Governments fault!
The lockdown instruction is fairly clearly "Stay at Home" - not sure what bit people are struggling with?
Remember, easing the lock down merely means that there is room for you in ICU should the need arise!
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
kildare |
" I blame the government and especially Boris for their mixed messages which led to people not knowing or following rules
And so it continues,the easing will be as badly handled as the lockdown itself
Boris fucking Johnson is a disgrace
On a par with trump and he always has been
Yes, this Virus is completely our Governments fault!
The lockdown instruction is fairly clearly "Stay at Home" - not sure what bit people are struggling with?
Remember, easing the lock down merely means that there is room for you in ICU should the need arise!
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There is nothing clear coming from Boris and co
His first day back out of his sickbed and he says on national TV we are past the peak,unlockdown to begin
In fairness to his cohorts they tried to roll back on what he was spewing but too late |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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" There is nothing clear coming from Boris and co
His first day back out of his sickbed and he says on national TV we are past the peak,unlockdown to begin
In fairness to his cohorts they tried to roll back on what he was spewing but too late"
So what would you do? Spain says much reduced cases, going to relax lock down and then BOOM - Record Deaths.
Same for Russia.
Based upon what is happening elsewhere, Boris is right and proper to keep amending things.
If he gave a clear message, acted upon it and that resulted in thousands and thousands of deaths, you would be moaning about that as well!
What would you do?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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" There is nothing clear coming from Boris and co
His first day back out of his sickbed and he says on national TV we are past the peak,unlockdown to begin
In fairness to his cohorts they tried to roll back on what he was spewing but too late
So what would you do? Spain says much reduced cases, going to relax lock down and then BOOM - Record Deaths.
Same for Russia.
Based upon what is happening elsewhere, Boris is right and proper to keep amending things.
If he gave a clear message, acted upon it and that resulted in thousands and thousands of deaths, you would be moaning about that as well!
What would you do?
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I like how they keep changing things depending on latest facts. We are learning all the time from other countries doing things differently.
I think the media have confused matters much more than the government. |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"Boris fucking Johnson has given nothing but mixed messages this while crisis leading to nothing but confusion
But this last week has even been worse
While other European leaders are being clear and concise this bumbling fuck hasn't a clue
Such confusion over this,half country think it's end of lockdown and are acting as such all because of the blonde fucks mixed messages
And nothing to do with the MSM then?
Every briefing reinforces the message. Stay home, save life's, protect the NHS.
That message hasn't changed from day one!
No on UK's day 1 Boris and co were talking herd immunity,on Europe's day 1 was lockdown
Even after day 1 and up until mid march,MID MARCH,Boris was saying UK will stay open for business and be a beacon of free trade for world to see
Vital time lost from day 1
Staying open for business doesn't meet a day at the beach. As an earlier poster said...increase the penalties for social breaches...its people that are the problem, not the government.
I blame the government and especially Boris for their mixed messages which led to people not knowing or following rules
And so it continues,the easing will be as badly handled as the lockdown itself
Boris fucking Johnson is a disgrace
On a par with trump and he always has been"
I think some confusion especially at beginning regarding who can stay open ect.
However the press do not help.
The statement said there is a review Sunday and MAY announce minor changes.
The press then run wild and speculate what will change. Some people then see that as fact.
The rules remain the rules until changed. Just wait for the announcement.
It would help if people took some personal responsibility. Some of the people caught out breaking the rules are amazing. How anyone thought travelling hundreds of miles to go to the beach was ok needs to think long and hard. Also a couple of bikers travelling 200 mile round trip for fish and chips.
We don't live in a totallium state so people need to be responsible for there actions |
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
kildare |
" There is nothing clear coming from Boris and co
His first day back out of his sickbed and he says on national TV we are past the peak,unlockdown to begin
In fairness to his cohorts they tried to roll back on what he was spewing but too late
So what would you do? Spain says much reduced cases, going to relax lock down and then BOOM - Record Deaths.
Same for Russia.
Based upon what is happening elsewhere, Boris is right and proper to keep amending things.
If he gave a clear message, acted upon it and that resulted in thousands and thousands of deaths, you would be moaning about that as well!
What would you do?
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What planet are you on?
There is thousands and thousands of deaths in UK
From day 1 Boris should have followed lead of Germany,country with proper leadership
If he did UK would be much much better off now.fact
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Lock down changes sunday wont make much changes as hardly anywhere be open .Just hope can see family members who arnt in same house hold and be sensible .We are all missing close family and friends know and I know if it's not eased more people will break the rules .As alot have already.  |
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By *ebbie69Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
" There is nothing clear coming from Boris and co
His first day back out of his sickbed and he says on national TV we are past the peak,unlockdown to begin
In fairness to his cohorts they tried to roll back on what he was spewing but too late
So what would you do? Spain says much reduced cases, going to relax lock down and then BOOM - Record Deaths.
Same for Russia.
Based upon what is happening elsewhere, Boris is right and proper to keep amending things.
If he gave a clear message, acted upon it and that resulted in thousands and thousands of deaths, you would be moaning about that as well!
What would you do?
What planet are you on?
There is thousands and thousands of deaths in UK
From day 1 Boris should have followed lead of Germany,country with proper leadership
If he did UK would be much much better off now.fact
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May I ask you to take a look at a thread I started titled.
What now the way forward
I guess you could describe it as a fantasy PM where you can say what you would do strictly from now onwards
I look forward to your decisions
Thanks |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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" What planet are you on?
There is thousands and thousands of deaths in UK
From day 1 Boris should have followed lead of Germany,country with proper leadership
If he did UK would be much much better off now.fact
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Thankfully I am on a different Planet to you!
You can not compare Apples with Pears.
However, if you compare the Population of people in Germany and the UK per square mile, you will see that we are actually doing better than Germany!
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
kildare |
" What planet are you on?
There is thousands and thousands of deaths in UK
From day 1 Boris should have followed lead of Germany,country with proper leadership
If he did UK would be much much better off now.fact
Thankfully I am on a different Planet to you!
You can not compare Apples with Pears.
However, if you compare the Population of people in Germany and the UK per square mile, you will see that we are actually doing better than Germany!
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Well here on planet earth covid deaths per 100,000
UK 46
GERMANY 8.8
What figures do you have?? |
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
kildare |
" What planet are you on?
There is thousands and thousands of deaths in UK
From day 1 Boris should have followed lead of Germany,country with proper leadership
If he did UK would be much much better off now.fact
Thankfully I am on a different Planet to you!
You can not compare Apples with Pears.
However, if you compare the Population of people in Germany and the UK per square mile, you will see that we are actually doing better than Germany!
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Per square mile?
Who gives a fuck how many deaths per square mile |
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" What planet are you on?
There is thousands and thousands of deaths in UK
From day 1 Boris should have followed lead of Germany,country with proper leadership
If he did UK would be much much better off now.fact
Thankfully I am on a different Planet to you!
You can not compare Apples with Pears.
However, if you compare the Population of people in Germany and the UK per square mile, you will see that we are actually doing better than Germany!
Per square mile?
Who gives a fuck how many deaths per square mile"
It's important as the denser the population the easier it is for the virus to spread
Imagined 20 people crammed into an average house all close to each other coughing sect. Easy for a virus to spread.
Now imagine the 20 people in a football stadium all spread out. Much harder for the virus to spread |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
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"Construction workers gardeners and garden centres only change on sunday
If this is correct, they are a bit late announcing it, as I live on a new build on a building site and the workers here started back last Wednesday.
Also my friend is a gardener and he has worked the entire time.
There has never been any rules to say construction workers couldn't work.
Garderners could work as well.
The only criteria was that social distancing had to be observed whilst working.
So there are two guys on a site.
One has just been using a shovel (he has Covid but doesn’t know it)
Another guy from his team walks up and starts to use the same shovel.
Where does distancing help?"
It helps if you use a glove to hold the shovel, and dispose of the glove after.
So, distancing can still work in that environment. |
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By *al2001Man
over a year ago
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" What planet are you on?
There is thousands and thousands of deaths in UK
From day 1 Boris should have followed lead of Germany,country with proper leadership
If he did UK would be much much better off now.fact
Thankfully I am on a different Planet to you!
You can not compare Apples with Pears.
However, if you compare the Population of people in Germany and the UK per square mile, you will see that we are actually doing better than Germany!
Per square mile?
Who gives a fuck how many deaths per square mile
It's important as the denser the population the easier it is for the virus to spread
Imagined 20 people crammed into an average house all close to each other coughing sect. Easy for a virus to spread.
Now imagine the 20 people in a football stadium all spread out. Much harder for the virus to spread"
Boris is that you?
Like him to play with numbers like that
And the population density is very similar not that that's the reason for all UK deaths
Both mid 200s per sq mile
It has a lot more to do with one of those countries being led by a bumbling lying buffoon more suited to entertainment TV than leading a country |
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"I’m sure everyone wants lockdown to ease, but I just don’t see any real reductions in the death toll.
Anyone else think this is too soon?"
Far too soon in my opinion.
I shaved my head bald as I needed a haircut, I realised it doesn't suit me at all. I could do with about 2 - 3 weeks, so it can look half decent again  |
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" What planet are you on?
There is thousands and thousands of deaths in UK
From day 1 Boris should have followed lead of Germany,country with proper leadership
If he did UK would be much much better off now.fact
Thankfully I am on a different Planet to you!
You can not compare Apples with Pears.
However, if you compare the Population of people in Germany and the UK per square mile, you will see that we are actually doing better than Germany!
Per square mile?
Who gives a fuck how many deaths per square mile
It's important as the denser the population the easier it is for the virus to spread
Imagined 20 people crammed into an average house all close to each other coughing sect. Easy for a virus to spread.
Now imagine the 20 people in a football stadium all spread out. Much harder for the virus to spread"
a little misleading similar percentage of people in France still live in towns and cities with similar population density yes France has more empty space |
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" What planet are you on?
There is thousands and thousands of deaths in UK
From day 1 Boris should have followed lead of Germany,country with proper leadership
If he did UK would be much much better off now.fact
Thankfully I am on a different Planet to you!
You can not compare Apples with Pears.
However, if you compare the Population of people in Germany and the UK per square mile, you will see that we are actually doing better than Germany!
Per square mile?
Who gives a fuck how many deaths per square mile
It's important as the denser the population the easier it is for the virus to spread
Imagined 20 people crammed into an average house all close to each other coughing sect. Easy for a virus to spread.
Now imagine the 20 people in a football stadium all spread out. Much harder for the virus to spread
Boris is that you?
Like him to play with numbers like that
And the population density is very similar not that that's the reason for all UK deaths
Both mid 200s per sq mile
It has a lot more to do with one of those countries being led by a bumbling lying buffoon more suited to entertainment TV than leading a country"
I was trying to explain why it is important as you dismissed it as a factor
I did not comment any further on comparing deaths to other countries
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over a year ago
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"I’m really not convinced easing lockdown would be the answer, also read today that social distancing could last 18 months.
Hmmm how many airlines will survive that long??"
None of the low cost ones so no more holidays for us peasants. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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" There is nothing clear coming from Boris and co
His first day back out of his sickbed and he says on national TV we are past the peak,unlockdown to begin
In fairness to his cohorts they tried to roll back on what he was spewing but too late
So what would you do? Spain says much reduced cases, going to relax lock down and then BOOM - Record Deaths.
Same for Russia.
Based upon what is happening elsewhere, Boris is right and proper to keep amending things.
If he gave a clear message, acted upon it and that resulted in thousands and thousands of deaths, you would be moaning about that as well!
What would you do?
What planet are you on?
There is thousands and thousands of deaths in UK
From day 1 Boris should have followed lead of Germany,country with proper leadership
If he did UK would be much much better off now.fact
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we could not have followed Germanys approach because we as a country did not have the testing capability to make it work, just the same as Spain, Italy etc didn't either. |
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By *D835Man
over a year ago
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"I’m really not convinced easing lockdown would be the answer, also read today that social distancing could last 18 months.
Hmmm how many airlines will survive that long??None of the low cost ones so no more holidays for us peasants. "
Even the bigger airlines might struggle if this drags on too long , except if they put their prices up to make up for the empty seats, but that in turn could put some people off traveling, so then it becomes a vicious cycle. |
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"Construction workers gardeners and garden centres only change on sunday
If this is correct, they are a bit late announcing it, as I live on a new build on a building site and the workers here started back last Wednesday.
Also my friend is a gardener and he has worked the entire time.
There has never been any rules to say construction workers couldn't work.
Garderners could work as well.
The only criteria was that social distancing had to be observed whilst working.
So there are two guys on a site.
One has just been using a shovel (he has Covid but doesn’t know it)
Another guy from his team walks up and starts to use the same shovel.
Where does distancing help?
It's upto the Employer to put safe working practices in as well, and enforce them.
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So you mean have a scapegoat or someone to blame.
The easy solution is for them not to be there in the first place. |
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Here in Wales we’ve had some reductions but it’s been extended for another three weeks !!! We can now go the tip the library and the garden centre !!!
The excitement is just too much to bear !!! Mind you I’ve been out working in all this so at least I’ve been let out !! |
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It’s not working because most people are not sticking to the rules on the way home from WORK yesterday and anyone would think it’s a normal day people sat outside drinking , people swimming in the lake , kids out playing etc , the lockdown ended weeks ago for most people |
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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"Construction workers gardeners and garden centres only change on sunday
If this is correct, they are a bit late announcing it, as I live on a new build on a building site and the workers here started back last Wednesday.
Also my friend is a gardener and he has worked the entire time.
There has never been any rules to say construction workers couldn't work.
Garderners could work as well.
The only criteria was that social distancing had to be observed whilst working.
So there are two guys on a site.
One has just been using a shovel (he has Covid but doesn’t know it)
Another guy from his team walks up and starts to use the same shovel.
Where does distancing help?
It's upto the Employer to put safe working practices in as well, and enforce them.
So you mean have a scapegoat or someone to blame.
The easy solution is for them not to be there in the first place."
That could be right in many instances. To say that people couldn't work is just wrong. |
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"Construction workers gardeners and garden centres only change on sunday
If this is correct, they are a bit late announcing it, as I live on a new build on a building site and the workers here started back last Wednesday.
Also my friend is a gardener and he has worked the entire time.
There has never been any rules to say construction workers couldn't work.
Garderners could work as well.
The only criteria was that social distancing had to be observed whilst working.
So there are two guys on a site.
One has just been using a shovel (he has Covid but doesn’t know it)
Another guy from his team walks up and starts to use the same shovel.
Where does distancing help?
It's upto the Employer to put safe working practices in as well, and enforce them.
So you mean have a scapegoat or someone to blame.
The easy solution is for them not to be there in the first place.
That could be right in many instances. To say that people couldn't work is just wrong. "
Why when their wages are being paid by the state.
There is zero reason for them to be there. |
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"It’s not working because most people are not sticking to the rules on the way home from WORK yesterday and anyone would think it’s a normal day people sat outside drinking , people swimming in the lake , kids out playing etc , the lockdown ended weeks ago for most people "
Sad but true ... it’s kind of disheartening to see how many just take it like it’s been nothing.
I think it’s safe to say it hasn’t been easy for everyone, but still it seems irresponsible to let loose when there are still so many cases and deaths every day
And the thought of a possibility of more restrictions if things don’t get better or worse, cos of what’s been going on the past few days/weeks, angers me even more
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"Construction workers gardeners and garden centres only change on sunday
If this is correct, they are a bit late announcing it, as I live on a new build on a building site and the workers here started back last Wednesday.
Also my friend is a gardener and he has worked the entire time.
There has never been any rules to say construction workers couldn't work.
Garderners could work as well.
The only criteria was that social distancing had to be observed whilst working.
So there are two guys on a site.
One has just been using a shovel (he has Covid but doesn’t know it)
Another guy from his team walks up and starts to use the same shovel.
Where does distancing help?
It's upto the Employer to put safe working practices in as well, and enforce them.
So you mean have a scapegoat or someone to blame.
The easy solution is for them not to be there in the first place.
That could be right in many instances. To say that people couldn't work is just wrong.
Why when their wages are being paid by the state.
There is zero reason for them to be there."
working was never part of the lockdown you need a majority to still work to pay for those who can't work at moment |
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over a year ago
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"Here in Wales we’ve had some reductions but it’s been extended for another three weeks !!! We can now go the tip the library and the garden centre !!!
The excitement is just too much to bear !!! Mind you I’ve been out working in all this so at least I’ve been let out !!"
Not until Monday you can't
Madness though, we can mix with hundreds in Tesco, Waitrose etc for essential shopping, but Anglers can not go fishing by themselves and Golfers can not play Golf in a pair. But we can all go running around a park for our daily exercise.
I honestly believe that the Government are doing a great job. I wouldn't want their job at any cost, but some of the decisions are a little strange. |
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