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By *ebbie69 OP Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
If you had the chance to decide what would you do next and how
I think there is a long way still to go and a few crossroads ahead
For example this weekend we are due to hear about the restrictions which may or may not change
Please do not limit it to this I'm sure many different things need addressing in time to come.
Please remember it about today onwards not about past events |
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By *andKBCouple
over a year ago
Plymouth |
Enforce quarantine and or testing to ALL entering the country from abroad for at least 6 months.
Test everyone in care homes as often as is feasible to prevent outbreaks. Ideally weekly but at least fortnightly.
Everyone being admitted and discharged from hospital should be tested routinely for the virus. Also anyone living in a care home should not return to it until they test negative. Ideally people shouldn't be discharged at all until they test negative.
We do need to open up hospitals for people who need operations, cancer treatment and any screenings. Taking every precaution to keep them safe with PPE, etc.
There is drug thought to counteract the cytokine storm, this needs plenty of trials and research. The Italians didnt test it vigorously enough for us to use their evidence.
Caution to be taken and perhaps a region to region approach depending on outbreaks. Baring in mind the hospital provision in that area and tourism, etc.
Make sure everyone now has enough PPE for what is needed. Care homes as well as hospitals. And do not allow businesses to double costs unless they can prove beyond all dount they need to. Also any care home not providing PPE should be help accountable by CQC.
Continue with social distancing in supermarkets and shops. Mind you I'm not a fan of people so that might just be me.
We also need to think about peoples mental health and other physical health problems. People need to able to get to GP appointments, dentist appointments, see their loved ones (in the safest possible way of course), the elderly are feeling isolated (perhaps if they receive home care this could be upped a little so they see people this one I dont know). |
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By *ebbie69 OP Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"I would follow whatever the most recent, up to date, scientific advice is.
And prioritise testing. "
Thank you
Looks like much in line with actual events or at least as far as we know
For me I would add having some sort of testing at airports. |
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All we need to do and indeed all we have ever needed to do is protect the most vulnerable. Thousands are now dying as collateral damage because of lockdown.
Because of its virulence, wide spread and the many asymptomatic cases it causes, Covid-19 cannot be contained in the long run, and so all countries will eventually reach herd immunity. To think otherwise is naive and dangerous. General lockdown strategies can reduce transmission and death counts in the short term. But this strategy cannot be considered successful until lockdowns are removed without the disease resurging.
The question is not whether to aim for herd immunity as a strategy, because we will all eventually get there. The question is how to minimise casualties until we get there. Since Covid-19 mortality varies greatly by age, this can only be accomplished through age-specific countermeasures. We need to shield older people and other high-risk groups until they are protected by herd immunity.
Among the individuals exposed to Covid-19, people aged in their 70s have roughly twice the mortality of those in their 60s, 10 times the mortality of those in their 50s, 40 times that of those in their 40s, 100 times that of those in their 30s, and 300 times that of those in their 20s. The over-70s have a mortality that is more than 3,000 times higher than children have.
The current one-size-fits-all lockdown approach is leading to unnecessary deaths. Protecting older people and other high-risk groups will be logistically and politically more difficult than isolating the young by closing schools and universities. But we must change course. |
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"All we need to do and indeed all we have ever needed to do is protect the most vulnerable. Thousands are now dying as collateral damage because of lockdown.
Because of its virulence, wide spread and the many asymptomatic cases it causes, Covid-19 cannot be contained in the long run, and so all countries will eventually reach herd immunity. To think otherwise is naive and dangerous. General lockdown strategies can reduce transmission and death counts in the short term. But this strategy cannot be considered successful until lockdowns are removed without the disease resurging.
The question is not whether to aim for herd immunity as a strategy, because we will all eventually get there. The question is how to minimise casualties until we get there. Since Covid-19 mortality varies greatly by age, this can only be accomplished through age-specific countermeasures. We need to shield older people and other high-risk groups until they are protected by herd immunity.
Among the individuals exposed to Covid-19, people aged in their 70s have roughly twice the mortality of those in their 60s, 10 times the mortality of those in their 50s, 40 times that of those in their 40s, 100 times that of those in their 30s, and 300 times that of those in their 20s. The over-70s have a mortality that is more than 3,000 times higher than children have.
The current one-size-fits-all lockdown approach is leading to unnecessary deaths. Protecting older people and other high-risk groups will be logistically and politically more difficult than isolating the young by closing schools and universities. But we must change course."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"All we need to do and indeed all we have ever needed to do is protect the most vulnerable. Thousands are now dying as collateral damage because of lockdown.
Because of its virulence, wide spread and the many asymptomatic cases it causes, Covid-19 cannot be contained in the long run, and so all countries will eventually reach herd immunity. To think otherwise is naive and dangerous. General lockdown strategies can reduce transmission and death counts in the short term. But this strategy cannot be considered successful until lockdowns are removed without the disease resurging.
The question is not whether to aim for herd immunity as a strategy, because we will all eventually get there. The question is how to minimise casualties until we get there. Since Covid-19 mortality varies greatly by age, this can only be accomplished through age-specific countermeasures. We need to shield older people and other high-risk groups until they are protected by herd immunity.
Among the individuals exposed to Covid-19, people aged in their 70s have roughly twice the mortality of those in their 60s, 10 times the mortality of those in their 50s, 40 times that of those in their 40s, 100 times that of those in their 30s, and 300 times that of those in their 20s. The over-70s have a mortality that is more than 3,000 times higher than children have.
The current one-size-fits-all lockdown approach is leading to unnecessary deaths. Protecting older people and other high-risk groups will be logistically and politically more difficult than isolating the young by closing schools and universities. But we must change course."
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By *ebbie69 OP Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
Thank you for the detailed post very interesting indeed
Sound quite similar to the system used by Sweden
Many mixed thought on that as they apparently have worse figures than their similar neighbours but in the long run we might not have any choice |
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Implement regular testing of representative samples of the population to gauge size of actual infection and locations of worst areas. Greatest resources to worst areas. All health and care staff tested and monitored. |
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There is a massive way to go.
Google today said they expect people to work from home until 2021.
Public Transport in cities like london will a risk so prevent people travelling.
Air conditioning needs to be rethought as the spreads germs.
Theatres and concerts will happen in 2021.
So what can WE do? Wear masks in risky locations.
Ensure we keep clean and hygiene is vital.
Be honest and not go out if I'll
I think sex for some will not happen until 2021.
Gonna be a long road but let's hope a vaccine comes quickly
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By *ebbie69 OP Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
"There is a massive way to go.
Google today said they expect people to work from home until 2021.
Public Transport in cities like london will a risk so prevent people travelling.
Air conditioning needs to be rethought as the spreads germs.
Theatres and concerts will happen in 2021.
So what can WE do? Wear masks in risky locations.
Ensure we keep clean and hygiene is vital.
Be honest and not go out if I'll
I think sex for some will not happen until 2021.
Gonna be a long road but let's hope a vaccine comes quickly
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Thanks some interesting thoughts and some things like the air con that don't get talked about much. No sex until 2021 will probably scare most lol |
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By *ebbie69 OP Couple
over a year ago
milton keynes |
Remember guys and girls we are after what you would do from now on if you were PM
Guess you could say fantasy PM
Sunday's broadcast is approaching
You have the power to change anything you like
Try to keep it realistic |
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"Remember guys and girls we are after what you would do from now on if you were PM
Guess you could say fantasy PM
Sunday's broadcast is approaching
You have the power to change anything you like
Try to keep it realistic "
not a lot just yet more exercise allowed and nee6to find a way to safely open more businesses back up |
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The time post bank holidays needs to analysed closely and reviewed.
Personally I predict a spike after each bank holiday. They will have to go back to stronger restrictions.
September should be start of lifting not now. |
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"The time post bank holidays needs to analysed closely and reviewed.
Personally I predict a spike after each bank holiday. They will have to go back to stronger restrictions.
September should be start of lifting not now."
OK then science expert why you not advising the government? Hows your data modelling skills and pandemic research experience? You talk about it like its easy decisions. R will go up and down. The public need to take responsibility for themselves and their own actions. Sadly we are one of the worst countries for that even in a pandemic sitting in a beech is more important. |
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"The time post bank holidays needs to analysed closely and reviewed.
Personally I predict a spike after each bank holiday. They will have to go back to stronger restrictions.
September should be start of lifting not now.
OK then science expert why you not advising the government? Hows your data modelling skills and pandemic research experience? You talk about it like its easy decisions. R will go up and down. The public need to take responsibility for themselves and their own actions. Sadly we are one of the worst countries for that even in a pandemic sitting in a beech is more important. "
Why should I advise the goverment. They've done nothing for me. I don't need them to tell me to self isolate, social distance or when t go back to work. I'm not one of their herd.
If I'd have told em last September a pandemic was coming start acting, would they listen? No. So now it's their baby they can rock it. |
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